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Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bill's Length, the instant coffee version of

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Speaker 1: our daily show, One Bills Live. In this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the Bills offensive line and whether it will

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Speaker 1: look identical to that of twenty twenty. Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: Bill Polian joins us to discuss the Bills and Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame coach Marv Levy, who's up for another Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame north of the border. And we also have

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Speaker 1: our one burning question, what will the Bills offseason program

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Speaker 1: look like come the start date of April nineteenth? Where's

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Speaker 1: my kicking teeth at? A Steve Taster who has been

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Speaker 1: all over our fields. Kind of unique. He was kind

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Speaker 1: of a dual role player for you, state Steve a blimp.

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Speaker 1: We're not even in the stratosphere of normalcy. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us here on One Bill's Light. Bills Wall of

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Speaker 1: Famer Steve Tasker, Bills insider Chris Brown here with you,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills have made a statement, Steve with their

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Speaker 1: offseason dealings concerning their offensive line by resigning John Feliciano,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Williams tendering a qualifying offer to restricted free agent

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Speaker 1: Iike Bucker. They've essentially said we believe in the lineman

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Speaker 1: we had last season to get the job done for

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Speaker 1: us again this season. Do you agree with that based

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Speaker 1: on the signings we saw. I think I think I do.

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Speaker 1: Here's why. Certainly you want to get better up front,

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Speaker 1: and we've talked a lot about how you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: even not just normal, I think the running game starts

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Speaker 1: up front. And if there was a problem with the

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Speaker 1: Bills offense or at least something that was deficient or

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Speaker 1: something that we'd like to improve, it was the running

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Speaker 1: game from last year. And I like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think, you know, you start upfront. If the offensive

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Speaker 1: Now I'm pass pro who can you know? What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna You can't cast aspersions on this offensive line,

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Speaker 1: for the offense, for the passing game they had last year,

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Speaker 1: they you know, Josh had a breakout year. They did

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Speaker 1: a really nice job. I think Daryl Williams was an

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Speaker 1: to play as well as he did when they signed

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Speaker 1: him to a one year deal last year, bringing him back,

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Speaker 1: bringing Feliciano back, you got Mitch Morris entrenched, Cody Ford,

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Speaker 1: will return. This is an offensive line that never got

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Speaker 1: the same five guys on the field last year. Never

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Speaker 1: three snaps. They like a third or two thirds of

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Speaker 1: to see what these guys can do together. Certainly the depth.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll they'll bring some different faces in, but these

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Speaker 1: guys earned it. Give it to let him have come

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Speaker 1: back and have another shot at it this year. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: if you want your running game to improve, you can

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Speaker 1: work harder on it, be more committed to it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: see if they can get a rhythm going. But I

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Speaker 1: have absolutely no problem with bringing these guys back. They

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Speaker 1: earned it. Give them the chance to improve on what

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Speaker 1: they did last year. And I know we've discussed on

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Speaker 1: our daily show, One Bill's Live about the likelihood of

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Speaker 1: them drafting an offensive lineman Somewhere on the first two

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Speaker 1: last year. But I could see them drafting an offensive

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Speaker 1: maybe that Daryl Williams contract is up in three years time.

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Speaker 1: So grooming for the future, and then I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: that still happening in the draft. This despite the new

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hart, former starting right tackle in Cincinnati. He figures

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Speaker 1: That's right? They Yeah, if somehow, some way, somebody falls

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Speaker 1: come in on another team that's where he's at. I

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Speaker 1: So if they do pick a guy at thirty, either

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Speaker 1: even know that it's a lock that Bobby Hart's on

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Speaker 1: facing some stiff competition to be the swing tackle on

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Speaker 1: I think Bobby Hart is good insurance, but I don't

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Speaker 1: and they're expecting Ryan Bates to come in. Ike, Butker's

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Speaker 1: It's time like Ike Butkeru, you know, Ryan Bates. It's

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Speaker 1: the this is their time if they're going to be

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Speaker 1: those guys I'm talking about, they're really this is their

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Speaker 1: approve themselves on a really good football team. So we've

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Speaker 1: established the Buffalo's coaching staff with these moves, and the

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Speaker 1: they will probably stay largely the same. The next question

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Speaker 1: is will they be better in twenty twenty one. I

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Speaker 1: kind of think if they are healthy, they should be better. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's got to get it. But he's a body that

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Speaker 1: Chiefs just added Jaron Reid from Seattle, a really good

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Speaker 1: was simply not the case last year, they should be better.

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Speaker 1: Okay for the numbers game this week, Steve, we continue

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Speaker 1: to delve into the play of the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: as I need you to tell me the teams you

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Speaker 1: felt ranked the top ten in sack differential in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yes, I am all right, So give me.

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Speaker 1: I need five of the ten. I'm only asking for

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Speaker 1: half of these. Put the music on, thank you. Here

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Speaker 1: wide margin. I'll say Baltimore. Baltimore nine on the list. Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo made the list. They were ninth seedon This is

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Speaker 1: They were plus eleven in an injury riddled season. Right

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Speaker 1: But he reminded me so much of Mark that it

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Speaker 1: was uncanny. His approach to things, the way he outlines things,

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Speaker 1: the way he talks to the press, the way he

429
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Speaker 1: talks to the team, the way he conducts himself on

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Speaker 1: game day, the way he manages the game on game day.

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Speaker 1: It's all very familiar to me. And in talking with

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Speaker 1: Brandon and getting to know him, you know, their approach

433
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Speaker 1: is very very similar to ours, very similar right down

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Speaker 1: to the kind of people that they want on the team.

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Speaker 1: When I see them make a move, I just nod

436
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: my head and say, okay, I understand why they're doing that,

437
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: whether it's an acquisition or letting somebody go. It's all

438
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Speaker 1: a function of staying with the blueprint, which is based

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Speaker 1: entirely on you know, people of character, who want to

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Speaker 1: work hard, who want to win, who believe in team,

441
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: and who play smart. And that's the kind of football

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00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: team they have. And if you don't have that alignment

443
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: of philosophy between the GM and the head coach, it's

444
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Speaker 1: very hard to succeed. Well, we've heard also about you've

445
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: been a part of the competition committee at length and

446
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: for many years and have been with different organizations and

447
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: watch the league, and we've heard you say, just in

448
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Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes, how alike, how many things

449
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: are similar today that they were, you know, thirty years

450
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: ago when the Bills were doing their thing in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: What has changed for you? You know, what's the biggest

452
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Speaker 1: change in the league? Now? I know it changes a

453
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: little bit every year, so it more evolves rather than changes.

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Speaker 1: But as you look at it now in two twenty one,

455
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Speaker 1: just after a pandemic year, what do you think is

456
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Speaker 1: the big change now that maybe forges a change and

457
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Speaker 1: a transformation in the future. Well, the big change came

458
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Speaker 1: in in ninety three with free agency because it it

459
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Speaker 1: allowed much more player movement, movement than we had in

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Speaker 1: the past. When when you came in at twenty one

461
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Speaker 1: or twenty two, how we're old you were at the time? Uh,

462
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: you know you grew up with us, you know, right

463
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the kids were born and we were all one happy family.

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Speaker 1: And when it was time for you to retire or

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Speaker 1: time for me to leave, or time from are to leave,

466
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, we'd had a relationship that lasted for a

467
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: long long time and last until this day. That's changed.

468
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Speaker 1: The money is obviously much much greater, and so when

469
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: it is a large there is a inordinate focus are

470
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: more focused on it than it was in the past.

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Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about it is that the really

472
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: good teams all look and act and focus on the

473
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: same things. There is no internal dissension. There's a real

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Speaker 1: relationship between the coaching staff and the players, and in

475
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: many cases are a real relationship between the front office

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Speaker 1: and the players. Yeah, the game has changed. We now

477
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: go fifty three and a third yard yards wide, and

478
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Speaker 1: the running quarterback or the moving quarterback, if you will,

479
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Speaker 1: is much more in vogue than it really was. Only

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Speaker 1: Elway and you are in my day, uh, Steve. But

481
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: that's that's the game is always evolving. UM. That's normal. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think it's surprisingly given the amount of money um

483
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: that's involved in in pro football today, it is surprisingly

484
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Speaker 1: similar to what it was like back at our day.

485
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: That the basics remain the same. You know, you have

486
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: to be you can't be dumb and you can't be dirty.

487
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: You gotta play smart, you gotta you have to take

488
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: care of the football. UM. You have to be able

489
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: to move the ball, you have to play defense above all.

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00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl was one you know, Tom Brady played

491
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Speaker 1: a nice game, but the Super Bowl was won by

492
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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Bucks defense, as it most always is.

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Speaker 1: And so I think what Paul Brown used to call

494
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: the eternal verities still remain the same. The package it's

495
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: wrapped in changes, and the and the amount of money

496
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: obviously has changed greatly, but I think you know it.

497
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: At its core, it's stilled the same game. Bill Having

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Speaker 1: said in the general manager's chair for as long as

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Speaker 1: you did with three different franchises, I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: your take on this because if there is one thing

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Speaker 1: from the from the front office chair that seems to

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Speaker 1: have changed. Not to dismiss the fact that you pulled

503
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Speaker 1: off one of the biggest trades in league in league history,

504
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: certainly team history, with the Cornelius Benette deal, but it

505
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: just seems like there is a greater propensity to trade

506
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: significant assets in this league. And obviously we're witnessing that

507
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: this offseason with quarterback swaps and such. But it just

508
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: seems like this new wave of general managers is more

509
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: appt to trade players, and the currency by which it

510
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: moves back and forth across the league just seems to

511
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Speaker 1: be more prevalent than it was you know when you

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Speaker 1: were running football teams. I'm just curious for your take

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Speaker 1: on why you think that is. Well, first of all,

514
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's entirely true when you when you

515
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Speaker 1: when you add it up every year about who moves

516
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: and who doesn't as opposed to rumors about movement and trades.

517
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: You know, in baseball you have the hot stove league, right,

518
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do and in the that of winter

519
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: to dream up trades, and so a lot of that

520
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: happens in the NFL. Russell Wilson hasn't moved, Jimmy Garoppolo

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00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: hasn't moved. Uh we, Destaun Watson hasn't moved. Those are

522
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Speaker 1: all the big stories of the offseason. So that that's

523
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Speaker 1: one thing. The second is there's so much more media

524
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Speaker 1: to talk about these things and in some cases dripping

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Speaker 1: them up. It seems as though there's there's there's always churned. UM.

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Speaker 1: There have always been big trades, and they most typically

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Speaker 1: revolve around high draft choices because those are the Amian

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Speaker 1: picks where you get the players that change franchises and

529
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: change careers. UM. And so this recent trade with San

530
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Francisco is U is proof of that. Now we don't

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Speaker 1: know which quarterbacks they're going to take, but they're going

532
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: to take one, that's for sure, and that's going to

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Speaker 1: cause a ripple effect either now or at the end

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Speaker 1: of next year. I suspect that at the end of

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Speaker 1: next year with Garoppolo going somewhere. Um so that's a

536
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: little different, but not much. You know, when you think

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00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: about the Cornelia Has Benetrade, it was a slew of

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00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: draft choices for the running back going from the Rams

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Speaker 1: to the Colts and Greg Bell going to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: By the way in Indiana. I once referred to it

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis when I was working for the Colts as

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Speaker 1: the Corney Has Benetrade, and I was immediately corrected by

543
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: any number of people who said, it's the Eric dickercent trade.

544
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: It's all which officer you're sitting in. I think, right service,

545
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: But that's but I don't think it's I don't think

546
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: there's always movement with premier draft choices. The one thing

547
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: that's changed is the tanking. I mean that didn't exist

548
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: years ago. In fact that it's only it's only recent

549
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: and that's a function of analytics people who I believe,

550
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: incorrectly and without any validity believe that if you if

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: you accumulate a slow of choices, somehow or other, you'll

552
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: get smart about who you draft. It doesn't work that way,

553
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: and history shows you that it doesn't. But but it's

554
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: a new that's the new tract. The only reason and

555
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: the only reason I brought up that trade conversation bill

556
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: was because, and these stand out as examples, you used

557
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: to only see potential franchise quarterbacks change teams at the

558
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: tail end of their careers. Joe Montana, for example, or

559
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: on draft weekend, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, stuff like that,

560
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: John Elway, things like that. Now you're seeing Matthew Stafford

561
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: going to one place, Jared Goff going the other. Here's

562
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz going to India after the relationship deteriorated. I

563
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: just don't recall off the top of my head too

564
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: many of those. I'm sure you're probably gonna give me

565
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: about seven examples of when those happened when you were

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Speaker 1: at GM. But that's why it seemed different to me. Well,

567
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: Vince Ferragam always won. He was still that time left

568
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: on his career and his contract when he came to us.

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Speaker 1: That's when it comes to mind right away. Of course,

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00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Joe Ferguson left here when Vince came in, that was

571
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: a little bit like just a little like like offense

572
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Stafford and one of the I want to ask you

573
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: this as well as you know, you were at the

574
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Speaker 1: guy who signed Jim Kelly after he took off and

575
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: went to the USFL, so you have you got all

576
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: kinds of experience dealing with USFL, World Football League, NFL Europe.

577
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: All of those were very, very different. The CFL, of course,

578
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: has always been around what you know, what kind of

579
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: pressure is there for team, and how important you saw.

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00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: You know, the Bills draft Josh Allen and develop him

581
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: over the course of three years, and in this day

582
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: and age, taken two years, and then in your third

583
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: year getting it taken two years to develop a quarterback

584
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: seems like infinite patience, whereas back in the day, you know,

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: you had to wait two years even to sign the

586
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: guy that you drafted. So to give us some insight

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: into your mind about those situations, you're you're you're one

588
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. The only thing that's changed in terms

589
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: of quarterback development is the impatience of the media and

590
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the fans. A quarterback, no matter who he is. Whether

591
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: it's Peyton Manning or Jim Kelly, whomever, doesn't matter, John Ellaway,

592
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It takes them three years in your

593
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: system to learn how to play the right way, to

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00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: run a team, to understand how to manipulate a defense,

595
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: to manage the game, to do all the things that

596
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: it takes to win in the National Football League. What's

597
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: changed today? Number One, they're like and we were seeing

598
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: it in every draft in the last four years. Their

599
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: NBA one and done. They're just prospects. They got big arms.

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00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: That's what Josh was coming in and it took him

601
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: three years to learn as it should happen. That's what

602
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: it takes. That hasn't changed. What's changed is the anointing, undrafting,

603
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: the expectations, and then when the guy in his rookie

604
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: year makes rookie mistakes, whoa, he might be a bust.

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00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: And then in his second year when he struggles a

606
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: little bit for whatever reason, you know, man Ory out

607
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: of Kirk, It's get him out of town. He's not

608
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: the guy. He's not good enough. And Donald is a

609
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: prime example of that. We don't know whether Donald can

610
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: play or not. The poor guy has been hurt for

611
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: a fair amount of time. And then on top of it,

612
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: he has nobody to play with. You know, he has

613
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: no talent surrounding him, so we don't know whether whether

614
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: he's good, bad, or in different The fact of the

615
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: matter is that they may sweep him out of town

616
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: go in a different direction. That's that's media anointing in

617
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: the first instance, when it should never happen. And second

618
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: of all, it's the impatience of the media and the

619
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: fans for the guy to become Patrick Mahomes overnight. Patrick Mahomes,

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00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: by the way, he sat for one full year, one

621
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: full year, so it doesn't change the landscape, hasn't changed

622
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: the atmosphere surrounding. It happens, and I hesitate to do this,

623
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: but you have to in order to make the point.

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00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Poor Mitchell Trubisky, I mean, welcome to Buffalo. You're in

625
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: heaven man. You get a chance to be in an

626
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: offense that fits fits his skill set, and he gets

627
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: a chance to learn behind Josh and be coached by

628
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: a great coaching staff will know how to use him.

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Speaker 1: It's the ideal place for him. It's a matchmate in heaven.

630
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: And he ought to thank his Lucky Stars said that

631
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: the Bills wanted it, but he had no chance coming

632
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: to Chicago, zero chance. He played thirteen games in college.

633
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: How could you expect to put him in a game

634
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: and and and and allow him to play at a

635
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: level that was that there was even commensurate with professionality

636
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It doesn't it's not possible. They're asking

637
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: far too much to the guy. And because this is

638
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: not the correct statistic, but it's in the ballpark. There

639
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: have been fifty five Super Bowls, over forty of them

640
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: have been won by quarterbacks that we would consider all

641
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: of famers or potential Hall of Fames. So everybody knowing

642
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: that says, boy, we got to get one. So now

643
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: it looks as though the first four picks in the draft,

644
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: certainly three, maybe four, will be quarterbacks, and they'll be

645
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: drafted way higher than they would have in nineteen eighty six, way,

646
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, just because why because you need one. That

647
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're going to succeed. In fact, that

648
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: this is an accurate statistic, fifty percent of all first

649
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: round of quarterbacks fan right, Yeah, that's a fact, but

650
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: it's part of the reason that Bill's talking about You

651
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: don't give the guy enough time, you don't build it

652
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: around him, and then you say he's a bust and

653
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: media pressures you to do that. Last one here for me, Bill,

654
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: because only got about a minute left, and we appreciate

655
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: the time. I wanted to get your take on this

656
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: one as well. The Bills have proposed a thing to

657
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: the Competition Committee. I think it's going before ownership that

658
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: in May, presumably that will ask about enacting a hiring

659
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: practice for head coaches and any position coaches for that

660
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: matter who would be in line for a promotion with

661
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: a new team, to not allow interviews until after the

662
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: championship games and not allow any hirings of any kind,

663
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: including head coaches until after the Super Bowl. Having sat

664
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in a GM chair and when you've had to make

665
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: a change, wanting to do it probably yesterday, can you

666
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: see this gaining any kind of traction and telling owners

667
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: you gotta wait till after the Super Bowl to get

668
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: your new guy in and started. First of all, I'm

669
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: a hundred percent in favor of it. It wouldn't hurt

670
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: this thing, but I doubt that it will pass because

671
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: a change of this type is viewed as competitive and

672
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: owners and gms are so competitive and so jealous of

673
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: their abilities to go out and find the right guy

674
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: that I doubt that it will get, you know, the

675
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: number of votes necessary to pass. But I think it's

676
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: a great, great idea, would be good for the game,

677
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: it would be good for minority coaches. There's nothing wrong

678
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: with it, Absolutely nothing wrong with it. You have to

679
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: put some teeth into it, obviously, which the League office

680
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: i'm sure is not thrilled about. But it's a great idea.

681
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: The fact that we're talking about it is a good

682
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: thing because over time people tend to think about it

683
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: and then say, you know what, that's not a bad idea,

684
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: and pretty soon it becomes mainstream. So good for mister

685
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: and missus Pagoula and the Bills for putting it up there,

686
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully it'll gain some traction. Bill, thanks so much,

687
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: great scene and my friend, and hopefully we'll have you

688
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: back again sometime. Always a pleasure, buddy, Thank you, fust

689
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: to everybody in Buffalo. All right, Steve, we close this

690
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: episode if One Bill's Light with our one burning Question.

691
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Commissioner Roger Goodell said that team's offseason

692
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: programs can begin on April nineteenth, no bonus week for

693
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: new head coaches as had been done in the past.

694
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: What that will look like, however, still being negotiated between

695
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: the league and the players Association. As you know, we

696
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: had Senior VP of Football Operations Troy Vincent on this

697
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: podcast last week and he touched on it. But with

698
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: the country's vaccination program just starting to ramp up now

699
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: the league not mandating that players get vaccinated, the burning

700
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: question is what will the offseason program look like for

701
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: the Bills and the rest of the league. I think

702
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be dictated by the

703
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: pace at which they get vaccinated. I think what will

704
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: happen is the league will come out with a policy

705
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: that will say something like, if you've got twenty five guy,

706
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: if your coaching staff is vaccinated, which I think they'll

707
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: probably say most of them are older, right, get vaccinated.

708
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Also the coaching staff, all of those guys get vaccinated.

709
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: And then, however, many players get vaccinated. Those guys can

710
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: work out free of charge. So let's say you know,

711
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: no mask, no one, all that, they can locker room,

712
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: all that. So as that number grows, that's what we'll do.

713
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: And then if you have players who are not vaccinated,

714
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: they continue to have to do other things to accommodate them.

715
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: I think they'll have instead of having groups of fifteen

716
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, come in and stay socially distanced,

717
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: they can stay apart, work out, then leave, and then

718
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: another fifteen come in, they disinfect, and they another fifteen

719
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: come in. Instead of that, they'll start to put it

720
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: into bigger groups vaccinated group, an unvaccinated group, and I

721
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to work with those groups as

722
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: they grow and change and reduce and on all of that.

723
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: So I think that so I do think it's going

724
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: to be different. They're still going to have to consider

725
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: where they are with the virus, but it's going to

726
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: be ever changing is the fact that more and more

727
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: guys will get vaccinated and they'll come up right. I

728
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: think we also have to still consider the ulterior motive

729
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: on the part of the players association, which is the

730
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: more virtual the better. No matter what the status of

731
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: the pandemic is, they want to be virtual. That much

732
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: is clear. The vaccination rollout is kind of leaning that

733
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: argument in their favor to be virtual. But as more

734
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: and more people get vaccinated, I mean Steve I can't

735
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: imagine after what NFL teams and coaching staffs had to

736
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: endure in terms of the hurdles to clear just to

737
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: conduct daily business, to feel like you were prepared for

738
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: a game, let alone the ramp up to the season.

739
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: I gotta believe coaches are like, are you kidding me?

740
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Get the damn vaccination, guys, what are we doing? Like,

741
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: if we want to actually go into this season guns

742
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: a blazing as one unit, we all got to get vaccinated.

743
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: A coach delivering that message, Yeah, absolutely, But I don't

744
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: think that's gonna fly. I don't think the players union

745
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: will care at all about vaccination or not. They just

746
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: don't want to have these guys travel all the way

747
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: across the country just to go out and sit in

748
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: a classroom where they can sit in their own place.

749
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: And that's the argument they'll make. Why do we have

750
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: to travel to Green Bay, Buffalo, New York, LA, Chicago, Miami,

751
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: you name it. Why do we have to go to this?

752
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I got a home and a wife and family, The

753
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: kids are in school. Why do I have to take

754
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: a trip for two weeks to go up and meet

755
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: when I can do it in my house? And that's

756
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: crazy talk now practices mini camps and okay, that's different.

757
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: But if you're if and why are we doing these meetings?

758
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Why would you have to do those in person if

759
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: you want to, And let's compress this stuff if you

760
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: want to, Let's not come in for two weeks in May,

761
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: two weeks in April, two weeks in June, two weeks

762
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: in July. Why are we doing that. Let's come in

763
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: for you know, let's wait, come in and let's do

764
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: it all at once. Don't chop up my off season. Yeah.

765
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: I think there is an element of competition that the

766
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: Bills specifically have developed here with their Iron Man program

767
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: under Eric Siano. And we've seen it, Steve. We've walked

768
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: through the fieldhouse pre COVID and witness some of that competition,

769
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: tug a war as battles. I mean, they break them

770
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: off into four different teams. It's competitive, like the juices

771
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: are flowing, and yeah, it is good. It's very healthy too,

772
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: And I think coach McDermott values that big time. What

773
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: coach wouldn't. And I wonder if that gets lopped off

774
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: going forward because of what the Players Association is battling

775
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: for with this virtual stuff because that's phase one of

776
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: the offseason program that goes away if it's fully virtual,

777
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know where you replicate that again to

778
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: build the camaraderie that's ingrained in the culture here. And

779
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: as new players come in and that part disappears, I

780
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: think it's hard to pull the group together. And eventually

781
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: some of those older players on the roster that started

782
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that whole thing through that program, there's nobody to replace

783
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: them that experience that and built those bonds. And I'm

784
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: not saying it can't be overcome, but I think it

785
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: makes the task harder to preserve and continue to grow

786
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: the culture that's become such a valuable piece of the

787
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: success of this team's on field product. It gives you

788
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: a later start, no question about it. I mean, you

789
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: don't get a start in April, May, June, you know,

790
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: And certainly with the draft picks coming in, they want

791
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: to start after they're drafted, so it's in May. And

792
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: coaches have always said when you get new guys like

793
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: draft picks, rookies, rookie free agents, new players from other teams,

794
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: you want to get them started. You want to get

795
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: them acclimated to your verbiage and your the language you

796
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: use in your offense and your defensive calls, and I

797
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: get all that, but you can do that at the

798
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: end of the summer rather than the beginning of summer.

799
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Then give the guys a month off in between. You

800
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: know that you just don't need to chop it up.

801
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: So uh, in my estimation, the league and the and

802
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: the players un you're gonna hash through that because the

803
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: players Union has all kinds of leverage. And let me

804
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: just put it bluntly, the ownership, above the above the coaches,

805
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: and above the players, and above all of this the

806
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that own the teams and the

807
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: guys that run the league do not care about the offseason. Virtually,

808
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: they do not care because they proved last year they

809
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: don't need that stuff. So whatever it costs owners to

810
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: bring these guys in their head coach, their their head

811
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: coach can jump up and down all he wants. I'm

812
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: the one paying the bill. We're gonna play football no

813
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: matter what. So as as ready as you can have them,

814
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: that's as good as it's gonna get. So the ownership

815
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: can say, even to their own head coaches, they're like, listen,

816
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't not pay yet you guys had him ready

817
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: last year and I didn't have to pay him for

818
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: three weeks of hotels for one hundred and fifty guys.

819
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, why are we doing that? Why are we

820
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: paying to bring all these guys in? You guys played

821
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: well last year. Let's just push it all back and

822
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: start the season because the ownership the money's coming in.

823
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: No matter what, nobody's paying to watch practice, right. I

824
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: wonder if, because we already I think we firmly believe

825
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: the offseason program phase one is going to be virtual completely.

826
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: I wonder about OTA's and June Mini caamp. Do those

827
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: get compressed together where it's one week of OTAs, three

828
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: days of mini camp, and then we'll see you in

829
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: training camp. I think that could happen because I have

830
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: to believe there is gonna be some on field practice

831
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: sessions that the coaches around the league are gonna want back.

832
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: The question is how much is ownership gonna fight for

833
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: them to get that from the Players Association when they

834
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: know in the grand scheme of things, it's not really

835
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: affecting the bottom line other than money out to pay

836
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: for all the costs that you outlined. I just wonder

837
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: if there is some form of on field practice, like

838
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe in early June. Maybe it's an OTA Mini camp combination.

839
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: It's only one week, yeah, I get it. June, mid June,

840
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: late June. Whatever training camp usually starts like mid July,

841
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: right at the end of July. Well, you know, do

842
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: it right after July fourth holiday, give them ten days

843
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: and then then everybody goes home, ties up their loose

844
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: ends and comes right back training camp. Let's go. Why

845
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: do you have to do it in and they would

846
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: in normal March, April, May, June. You have a week here,

847
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: week week or week here, three days, five weeks, am

848
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: I what are you doing? Just do it in July

849
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: and bring them back and if if the players so desire.

850
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: Here's the problem, and this is this is a is

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Speaker 1: a real problem. A place like what we're where we're sitting.

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Speaker 1: I mean I pulled in today and weight rooms all

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Speaker 1: live it up and it's gorgeous. Right. This facility out

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Speaker 1: here is awesome and they're upgrading it all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's great. Places like Baltimore, the Jets, some

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Speaker 1: of these places are plush. I mean, they're nice and

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Speaker 1: it's free. Why wouldn't a guy who like a cole

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Speaker 1: Bees lead or whatever, whoever you name it. Any play

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Speaker 1: drafted rookie, why don't they they want to come in

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Speaker 1: and work out here coaches, They get to see the coaches,

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Speaker 1: They get their face in front of the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: They get to know those guys. They can go out

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Speaker 1: on the field and say what you know, they can

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Speaker 1: talk about things, they can do it on their own.

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Speaker 1: They get a private tutoring session from the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills come on, let's go. That's awesome. And

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Speaker 1: I would have done that. And I did that as

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Speaker 1: a player. I when I got to be a Buffalo Bill,

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Speaker 1: I moved here. I never left. I was here all

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Speaker 1: off season. I was in the weight room with the

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Speaker 1: Bills coaches. And some of these guys see the value

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Speaker 1: of that. End. Let's face it, there is some value

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Speaker 1: in that if you're a guy that's a fringe player, right,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's obvious. Okay, So then what happens when

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Speaker 1: they're they're doing that and then the players he says,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to Okay, well I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay in LA and do it. Well everybody

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Speaker 1: else is it? One Bills drive working out doing it.

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Speaker 1: Then it becomes peer pressure, it becomes quote unquote voluntary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then you got a problem. And that's the gray area

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Speaker 1: that they use. That's what it grew into. That's until

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. That's exactly right. And then the teams will saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to come, but we'll give you ten

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Speaker 1: grand a week cash if you do, or twenty grand

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Speaker 1: a week or two workout bonuses in their contracts if

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Speaker 1: you're here ninety percent or ninety five percent of the

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Speaker 1: days we work out in the offseason, we grand. So

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Speaker 1: now it's like, okay, well, but if you pay for it,

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Speaker 1: that's different. Yeah, that's different. It really interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what it looks like you're gonna you can imagine all

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Speaker 1: the the little poker chips that each side has to

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Speaker 1: throw into the pot and negotiate with. So it will

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Speaker 1: be very very interesting to see what it looks like

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Speaker 1: going forward. That's all the time we have this week.

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