WEBVTT - Keith Rhebb

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back for another episode of the Friday Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and tonight we have guests and other architecture guests. We

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<v Speaker 1>have Keith Rebb with us. Keith is a long time

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<v Speaker 1>associate for Core and Crenshaw. He recently completed his first

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<v Speaker 1>you know, independent design. He partnered up with Riley Johns

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<v Speaker 1>to do a makeover of Orlando's Winter Park project. So

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<v Speaker 1>you may have seen Keith. He's been making a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of appearances on the Golf Channel, becoming quite the TV celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so we're excited to have Keith on. Keith, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks, Andy, I appreciate it, you know, thanks, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for the listeners to tune in. I'm sure a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people like, who is Keith Reb you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and why are we why are we tuning in? But

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully at the end we kind of who I am

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, kind of what what what I've been doing?

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, we're excited to talk architects. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've got a very interesting story about how

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<v Speaker 1>you got into architecture. You know, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an unconventional way, So why don't you tell the listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how you became a golf course architect.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it kind of first starts in Lincoln, Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was doing concrete work. You know, fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. If you would have talked to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would be standing in concrete with a concrete loop in

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<v Speaker 2>my hand, watching concrete come out of the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the truck, you know. And you know, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thought that, you know, this isn't exactly what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing. And I went and interviewed with Landscapes

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<v Speaker 2>and Limited, a golf course development company in Lincoln, Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 2>I got hired on the spot and packed everything up

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<v Speaker 2>the next week and I moved to Agar, South Dakota,

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<v Speaker 2>a town of fifty people, to live in a trailer

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<v Speaker 2>down by the river. And you know, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>that was the start. You know, I'm mean, making a

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<v Speaker 2>big move, going to a place that I need have

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<v Speaker 2>never been to. And you know, once I stepped on

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<v Speaker 2>that golf course is a Grand Marsh design and and

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<v Speaker 2>I looked out there and and you know, over the

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<v Speaker 2>lake and everything there, I was like, man, this is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is what I want to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, just you know, really fell in love

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<v Speaker 2>with with being outside and and doing that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that I mean, that's kind of the first start of

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<v Speaker 2>getting into golf. You know, I didn't you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. I wasn't like, you know, aspiring to be

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<v Speaker 2>an architect or anything like that at that point. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like more and more just seeing different

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses and being exposed to these different places and

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<v Speaker 2>working with Bill and Ben. It just you can't help

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<v Speaker 2>but just fall in love with, you know, this business.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm kind of kind of curious, you said, you

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<v Speaker 1>so when you go on site, few typical we just

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<v Speaker 1>live right on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, you try to find some of our

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<v Speaker 2>close I mean, you know that that place when I

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<v Speaker 2>was at a gard the only place that we could live.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you you have the people there set you

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<v Speaker 2>up a place to live and who you live with.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was an interesting kind of set up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I got sent out there, and then I and that Lloyd,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that I worked with there that started at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, you know, probably about my dad's age,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that's who my roommate was going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so we're living in this trailer. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's kind of I go into a little

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<v Speaker 2>funny story that I've told the Riley and Trevor of some.

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<v Speaker 1>Of these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we we'd work all week, long, long hours,

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<v Speaker 2>go home and I kicked back in a recliner and

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<v Speaker 2>Lloyd would, you know, have a couple of bud lights

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<v Speaker 2>and then fall asleep on the couch. But he'd always

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<v Speaker 2>eat Ritz crackers. And it was just one funny one

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<v Speaker 2>day We're sitting there and all of a sudden I

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<v Speaker 2>look over always passed out, you know, sleep and and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a mouse that came out of the couch and

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<v Speaker 2>just eating crackers. You know, it's just it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these funny stories of these places that you're eating, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>live at and and you know, just looking over the mouse,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eating crackers. And I don't know, funny stories

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<v Speaker 2>maybe for some, but yeah, I uh, it resonates with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work for a tech startup and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to travel from city to city and we stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in just the worst places. And one of them we

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<v Speaker 1>stayed we were staying in l a and we had

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<v Speaker 1>this mocking bird and we were staying in like a

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<v Speaker 1>double wide trailer, and this mocking bird would would come

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<v Speaker 1>out at like midnight every night and just tweet like

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<v Speaker 1>all night long. But one of my buddies he would

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<v Speaker 1>go out and spray it with a hose at like

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<v Speaker 1>three in the morning. It was awful. The funny funny

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<v Speaker 1>things of you know, remote work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So, I mean that's you know, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of those places you always try to find

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere close just so it's convenient. So you moved to

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<v Speaker 2>different places.

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<v Speaker 1>So then and so you're kind of working along there

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<v Speaker 1>and Phil and Ben are get their get their contract

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<v Speaker 1>to do Colorado Golf Club and and you get to

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<v Speaker 1>start working with them. Tell tell me a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about how you got looped in with Coren Crenshaw and

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<v Speaker 1>that was, you know, one of their earlier projects. If

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<v Speaker 1>I have my tea, Yeah, so, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working with Landscapes Unlimited for about three years and

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<v Speaker 2>then I get assigned to go to work at Colorido

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Club. Landscapes Unlimited was the contractor for Friendshaw with

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<v Speaker 2>the designer. So I was just kind of working, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just a utility guy working on skid loaders,

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<v Speaker 2>tractors or anything like that. And you know, I still

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<v Speaker 2>remember it to this day, you know, meeting Phil and

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<v Speaker 2>Ben on the fourth fair way out there, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just picking out a little ravine and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think at that time I didn't even know that

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<v Speaker 2>I was maybe big and though possible bunker or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Bill and Ben, you know, came up

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<v Speaker 2>and then Bill was like, you know, yeah, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you just dig this out a little bit here, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>kind of little here, but just have fun with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, like that concept always stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 2>His thinking of just have fun, and I guess just

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of that and kind of the contractor mode have

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<v Speaker 2>fun with it just didn't really I guess connect. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just think, you know, when Bill mentioned that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that that was really a neat thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just go out and have fun and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what happened was, you know, as working and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the course evolved over time, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys got called to go to Sooro and Wikipaw in

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona to go work on that golf course. So they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got pulled to the next one. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a little nine hole, little part three course that

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<v Speaker 2>that that needs to be built and and they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know Bill, and then that gave me a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that was the first first opportunity to actually

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<v Speaker 2>shape something or build a green or build a bumper.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I was able to work with Dave

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<v Speaker 2>atlin h just a great guy, I me know, a

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<v Speaker 2>great friend, a great mentor, I mean, someone that that

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<v Speaker 2>it was so neat to work with Dave because he

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<v Speaker 2>had so much knowledge and so much experience, and then

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<v Speaker 2>me just being like a greenhorn, you know, coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>But then yet both of us just working together and

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<v Speaker 2>having a lot of fun, and he could teach me things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I just remember one day when I was

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to go look at a green and

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<v Speaker 2>and and I kind of forgot to move the dozer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so we walked back at the tea and

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<v Speaker 2>then look at this green. But then I parked the

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<v Speaker 2>dozer right in the front of the green. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he just like Keith, you know, you're showing your horns,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, you're showing your greenhorns, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just, you know, it's just neat working

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<v Speaker 2>with Dave. And we had a lot of fun. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people really enjoy that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's part three golf, part free course of Colorado Golf Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. That's uh. I'm hoping I saw there they

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<v Speaker 1>got the mid am in a few years, so fingers crossed,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll I'll get out there to play and that if

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<v Speaker 1>not sooner. But yeah, I've heard nothing but great things

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<v Speaker 1>about uh Colorado Golf Club. And then, uh, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to you kind of are You're a big fan of

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<v Speaker 1>the short course, right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, I I am, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not I'm not the greatest golfer either,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, So I mean I enjoy kind of getting

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<v Speaker 2>out there learning the game and and not getting beat up,

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<v Speaker 2>and and and and having fun. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a lot of things that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to. It's just having fun, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting getting around with a couple of buddies, you know'll

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<v Speaker 2>just shoot some shots and match play and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoy the game the way it should be played.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope we get back to the roots, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it looks like it's slowly getting that way. With

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hor it seems like more courses are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, adding a short course, you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's exciting to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think a great bootprint is you know, taking courses,

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<v Speaker 1>making them less holes and taking out some of the

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<v Speaker 1>bad holes, making like things like putting courses or like

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<v Speaker 1>little three hole courses that somebody can go out and

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<v Speaker 1>play and play three holes in forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things golf can do is

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<v Speaker 1>create more ways for people to to do it quickly

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<v Speaker 1>because it's you know, and in today's day and age,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it really needs to compete. Have petitive options

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<v Speaker 1>for like somebody's workout time. You know, people carve out

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<v Speaker 1>an hour for working out, Like why can't we figure

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<v Speaker 1>out a way that's more fun than you know, hitting

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<v Speaker 1>a bucket range boss for an hour, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be putting courses, short courses, you know, short loops.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm on board with that, exactly, I am one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. So I guess, you know, kind of to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to a little bit of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so after Colorado of off Club, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>still working for landscapes and limited it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>later in the few years down the road, I get

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<v Speaker 2>a call, you know, to to come out to sugar

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<v Speaker 2>Loaf Mountain in Claremont, Florida to be the first official

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<v Speaker 2>you know project to work for court Friendshaw. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting that phone call, I'm like, you know, I'm in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>it's snowing. I'll be in Florida, you know the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>So that that was the you know, that was the

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<v Speaker 2>first first, the official court Friend Shop project that I

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<v Speaker 2>worked on. You know, the others were with with landscapes.

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<v Speaker 1>So sugar Loave's got kind of an interesting story. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those you know, golf courses that has

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<v Speaker 1>the sad end. So tell us, tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>about sugar Loaf then you know the course for those

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<v Speaker 1>that you know don't know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Sugarloaf Mountain is the second highest point

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<v Speaker 2>is Florida. It's on sugar stands. It's it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>neat site. You really don't feel like you're at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't feel like you're in Florida when you're on

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<v Speaker 2>that site, you know. I mean it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was right at two thousand and eight, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the bubble was bursting it was going to be real

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<v Speaker 2>estate driven. You know, it was probably not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't get out there in the media, didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>the exposure that it needed to. You know, it struggled,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it finally uh went back to nature. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you go back there right now. I went

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<v Speaker 2>back there a couple of years ago. Together. There's still

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<v Speaker 2>bunker rakes and old bunkers, and you know it's basically

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tuble weeds and and the nettle grass, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a shame. It's it's a great sight. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love someday for someone to figure out a

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<v Speaker 2>way to disconnect the real estate with it and be

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<v Speaker 2>able to bring that course back to life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can only imagine. I get sad when I

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<v Speaker 1>read about golf course clothings. But like, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how sad were you when you heard of the news

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<v Speaker 1>that it was kind of shuting down when like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you spent like months of your life, you know, pouring

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<v Speaker 1>sweat into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know it does it doesn't bother you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, you know. I mean all these guys

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<v Speaker 2>with four printshout that I work with, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>put their hearts into the building the best golf they

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<v Speaker 2>can and and Bill and Ben and and everyone. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they they put it, they put themselves into it, they

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<v Speaker 2>put their heart into it, and it's defing worse than

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<v Speaker 2>seeing it. Just you know, go away. You know it's done,

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<v Speaker 2>it's closed down, the doors are shut. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still kind of weird. You go out there to

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<v Speaker 2>drive by the golf course and they still have the

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<v Speaker 2>old sign up, like you know, Bill and Ben's first

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<v Speaker 2>golf course in Florida. You know, I mean it's it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough. I mean, you know, maybe someone will go

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<v Speaker 2>out and take a look and realize the potential is

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<v Speaker 2>sight and you know, bring them back out there.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh fingers crossed. That's why. You know, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it doesn't turn into houses, it's got.

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<v Speaker 2>A chance, right, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you know, obviously Core and Crenshaw, since

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they are become the primo guys and golf

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<v Speaker 1>course design and are kind of leading this charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the you know Golden age, like kind of the new

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<v Speaker 1>Golden age of architecture with Dope and Bill Hans and all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these young off and comers, you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>worked with him for like ten plus years. Now, what's

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<v Speaker 1>something that you've noticed that they do so well that like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the common person might overlook, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know or even the you know, sharpest of architecture geeks

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<v Speaker 1>would overlook that they do just so well with their sites.

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<v Speaker 1>And why you know these all these sites turn out

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<v Speaker 1>such big successes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would say, is uh. I mean probably

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. You know, there's no ego there, the egos

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<v Speaker 2>aren't there. They know how to bring the best potential

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<v Speaker 2>out of the people that they're working with, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the site. You know, Bill is the best at like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bringing the potential out of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>he's around. You know, I mean everyone's got, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a talent or something to bring to to a site,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you kind of limit the input or the

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<v Speaker 2>people that's involved, you tend to lose the potential to site.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's one thing that Bill and Ben

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of these other guys know how to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the right people and talented people together and the

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<v Speaker 2>team together too to really bring the project to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bring out the again potential of the projects.

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<v Speaker 1>So with the you know, the you know kind of

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<v Speaker 1>team like what's typically a you know, a build team,

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<v Speaker 1>look like on a daily basis that at a site.

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<v Speaker 1>So like you're working on the new course at Big

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<v Speaker 1>Seater Lodge now, like you know what what type of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's the side of the team that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys usually have out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean right now we've got you know, Jimbo right,

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<v Speaker 2>great shafer, awesome shaper Bill with Phil and Ben forever,

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<v Speaker 2>very talented guy you know out here, and you got

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bradley you know aka bunker Do up out here

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<v Speaker 2>doing the bunkers, you know what I mean? So you

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<v Speaker 2>have different specialists you know that that do that that

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<v Speaker 2>are on the site. You know a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>it's three four four guys. It's just you know, different

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<v Speaker 2>sites have different things, you know, Like when I was

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<v Speaker 2>out in Tasmania, it was just Dave Axton and myself

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<v Speaker 2>and and then we uh, you know toss the on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the guys locally there on how to you

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<v Speaker 2>know the build stuff and and and finish things.

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<v Speaker 1>So mm hmm, what would you say, is you know

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite site that you've worked on? Is it you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Winter Park or was it one of the core crunch Off.

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<v Speaker 2>Sites you know, I get I get that quote question

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. They lost farm Tasmania, Barnbougle to working

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<v Speaker 2>at Cava Cliffs, you know, stream Songs, Old Town, you know, Yokohama,

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<v Speaker 2>a country club in Japan. You know, I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>all have their own little characters to them. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's hard to pick one out that would say

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<v Speaker 2>would be the best. But you know, I mean Tasmania

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<v Speaker 2>was just you know, a really neat site, all sand

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<v Speaker 2>and working with the owners there was just a really cool,

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<v Speaker 2>cool place.

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<v Speaker 1>So h So you know, it's listed you as a shaper,

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<v Speaker 1>so for you know, just the maybe novice architecture fans,

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<v Speaker 1>could you walk through you know, like what you know

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<v Speaker 1>a shaper does? And you know how how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you get good at shaping?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I mean I guess you know how you

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<v Speaker 2>get good a shaping as I think you kind of

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 2>start from, you know, a shovel, You start from, you know,

0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.640
<v Speaker 2>shoveling things. You kind of learn how to build things,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by hand, and then you kind of work

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<v Speaker 2>your way up. You know, you get more opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>get on different pieces of equipment, like maybe a skid

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<v Speaker 2>loader or a miniac and then an estivator and then

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<v Speaker 2>the dozor you know, it just it takes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of patience. You know, it's it's you know what we

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<v Speaker 2>do is you know, we're normally shaping bunkers or fair

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<v Speaker 2>ways or greens. And it's just I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's what I look forward to. It's like my office

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<v Speaker 2>each day. You know, I hop in a dozer and

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<v Speaker 2>and I can move earth and and be creative. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's one thing that then, which is so

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<v Speaker 2>neat out here, that is they don't put you in

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<v Speaker 2>a box of like here's exactly you know, this is

0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you need to build, here's a plan. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to hit these grades. You know, they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what we're kind of looking at. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you but if you see something or something happened,

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<v Speaker 2>run with it. You know, they never put you in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation where they're trying to put you in a box.

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<v Speaker 2>They give you a lot of creative freedom out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean that's what just makes it so much

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<v Speaker 2>fun is that you know, each day out there you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing something a little different and you're just being able

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<v Speaker 2>to have fun and not worrying about making a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>or having Bill and Ben or someone come out and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, man, that's you know, what did you use it?

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<v Speaker 2>You're messed up or something like that. They would never

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<v Speaker 2>do that. And sometimes if if a mistake happens or

0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>something like that, it's it's it ends up being something

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<v Speaker 2>that's even better than what anyone would have thought would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's really neat working with Bill and Ben

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<v Speaker 2>and they really give you that creative freedom and you

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<v Speaker 2>never have to worry about making a mistake out that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the it's usually the way people do their best

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<v Speaker 1>work is when they have the freedom and know that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I do something and I believe that,

0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're going to back me out. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's cool. What's your favorite kind of feature

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<v Speaker 1>to build? You know, whether it's not necessarily while you're

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<v Speaker 1>building it, but like, what do you what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think is kind of like the coolest feature to put

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<v Speaker 1>on a golf course?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you know features I would say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a picker slope or something like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a certain slope that it's someone's flazer going

0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.399
<v Speaker 2>to reward it and then they might not know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>hey there's a little slot here in my fifteth year

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 2>that the ball might run. You know, that's just one

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.320
<v Speaker 2>thing that Bill. You know, you see the influences that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your favorite Golden Age architects. Obviously we we like Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Age architects, but the Frida Egg would love to hear

0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of in your studying, you know who kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stands out in your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would definitely say one hundred Perry Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean having the opportunity to work at

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Old Town and seeing how he laid that golf course

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.480
<v Speaker 2>on the land and the greens and you know, the

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 2>little Maxwell role and things like that that he has

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<v Speaker 2>in those dreams. I mean, you know what I mean

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 2>for me, you know, not really coming up being like, Okay,

0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be an architect.

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, Perry Maxwell was a banker, fell in love

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 2>with the game, and then let that love kind of

0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 2>transition into act actually becoming an architect. So I kind of,

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, I kind of relate to that, you know,

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 2>and it just I mean, Old Town is just a

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 2>special place I mean you get a chance to get

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 2>out there and look at that, you see the influences

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that that had on Bill Bill's design, which is really

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.679
<v Speaker 2>neat to to kind of come full circle to be

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.679
<v Speaker 2>on that side to say, now I kind of get

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>why Bill builds a certain contour or or maybe this

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>certain type of drain. So that that I think definitely, uh,

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Harry Maxwell, and I look forward to as I have

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>time off to go look at more of his his courses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah what what what his courses there highest on your

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bucket list to see?

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean Verry Prairie Dunes. I mean you can't you know,

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 2>you Hutch in Kansas know that or worked out there

0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and that was what was cool about old

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.879
<v Speaker 2>And again I'm working with Dave Exlin again, you know

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.840
<v Speaker 2>him and I are working on that, you know, as

0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a team. So yeah, I mean just you know, I mean,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just you get this architecture. You start,

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.320
<v Speaker 2>like you said, when you first get out there and

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.359
<v Speaker 2>you start first getting that little taste of what it is,

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of get to see it on the

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>ground and you see that and it gets you and

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you want to learn more and you want to go

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.679
<v Speaker 2>search out different golf courses. And I mean that's the

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>biggest thing for me, is like, you know, coming from

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 2>more of the construction side of things, there's more that

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I look forward to seeing more of these golf courses

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>because I can look at it a way of like, Okay,

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.239
<v Speaker 2>how do you build that? You know, not just how

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>is it design? But then how can I actually build that?

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And what equipment would I need to build something? Neat

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 2>like that? So I think kind of coming from it

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.120
<v Speaker 2>from a different angle, I mean for me, it's that's

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.959
<v Speaker 2>that's what I look forward to, is it is searching

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 2>out more of these golf courses and in learning more.

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm always learning.

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that everybody is always learning. With architectures,

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>h There's there's infinite cool little courses to see. I

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 1>mean I feel like I add ten courses I want

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to go to every day, and it's you know the

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.399
<v Speaker 1>tough part about it. Hopefully in a lifetime you'll get

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>to see all of them, but very unlikely that's going

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, in terms of you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to describe what your dream project to work

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 1>on would be, you know, what what what type of

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>things would you know be the five characteristics that you'd say,

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is the ideal project and situation I'd

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>want to build my own course on.

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Well. I mean, I think the first you start with team.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 2>You know a bunch of guys that you know, all

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>get along. You know, they they don't have egos, you know,

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>they they like to collaborate and and just have fun,

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, I think the biggest thing is

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>when you see these golf courses being built and everyone's

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>having fun. I think it kind of gets in the

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 2>DNA of that golf course and and it shows like,

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, these guys really enjoyed being here and they

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>have fun building the soft course. And I think that's

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing is is you know, if you have

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>the team of guys you know like Riley Trevor, you know,

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Littlefield, you know, all these different I mean Blake,

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean you could go on and on of these

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>guys that just love what they do. They're very creative,

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.400
<v Speaker 2>but they don't let egos get in the way. You know,

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 2>there might be a thing where and also put Day there.

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I gotta put Day backs on of course because he's

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 2>just no ego, greatest guy to work with, and it's

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>just where you can say, hey, I'm stuck here, why

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>don't you come over here and work on this and

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 2>and kind of see what you can do, you know,

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's that's what makes it so much fun,

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>is when you know each person can kind of put

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 2>their layer creativity on a site. And that's what I

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 2>look forward to. So my dream site would be working

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of people that love love the game

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>of golf, love architecture, no egos, and and want to

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>have fun and and build you know, cool golf.

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think everybody's best.

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Work and it and on top of that sand site,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>sand site on the coast, so you kind of add

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 2>the most maybe in Tasmania or somewhere you know, so

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, you kind of add some of those things

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 2>into it. But it just for me is just the

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 2>group of guys you have together. If it's a hard,

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 2>rocky site, you still got guys that are enjoying it

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and having fun and like to get along and build google.

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if it's a rocky site or if it's

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a sand site, it's about it's about the team.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 1>So MH. It's I mean, how much harder is it

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to shape stuff with the rocky site? I mean obviously

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>stand I you know, you can see how you can

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>just move it to every way you want it to move.

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 1>But with rocky site, you know what, what kind of

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>do you have different strategies? Like what do you have

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>to do to you know, kind of get it into

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>an ideal, you know, the way you want it.

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, first you're looking at you know,

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>just the cost. I mean you're looking at the equipment,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the amount of equipment and heavy equipment you have to

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>have on a site to move the rock or we'll

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>cut through the rock, or if you have to blast.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, then you think about how you get the

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>irrigation took around. I mean, there's so many things that

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, become more of expense. You know.

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just that it sounds like just don't build on

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a rocky site.

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it also it depends on how I

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>get what kind of rock.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean like out.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Here at the ridge course out here, you know in Branson,

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>it's rocky soil, but it breaks up pretty easily. I

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>mean you can rip it and kind of break it up,

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and we're kind of on ridges, so we don't really

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 2>get into the heavy rock. So I mean, but but

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>if it's a site you're you know, you're you're blasting

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>a way, then it's kind of like you got to

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of take that in consideration. Is this is this

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>worth the cost? You know? I mean, are we just

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>wasting someone's money here to get a couple of good

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>holes and then the rest are just mediocre? I mean

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that's what you always got to look at on a site.

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>What the potential of the full side is not just

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to have one great signature hole and then walk away

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and the rest are like mediocre. So, you know, it's

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 2>just I think I think the biggest thing is just

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>really gonna think about the money you're spending on your client,

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, and making sure that you know you can

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>get the full potential out of a site and not

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>waste their money. Huh.

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it makes a lot of sense. It's, uh,

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to have eighteen good holes. If you want

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to have a great course, they have to you have

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>to have eighteen great holes, you know.

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean those.

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Are the courses that stand out, and are you know,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>at the top of the list.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think you know, Bill always explained it, like,

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's kind of like a roller coaster,

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, not every hole can always be at the

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>very top, you know, and you're going down as a

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 2>great you know, you've got to have you know, connecting

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>holes and stuff like that, and you've got to have

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>a good balance, you know. And and it's like, you know,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>so many sites are just sacrifice for or to We're

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>going to get this one hole out here, and then

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the golf course isn't gonna isn't gonna fit,

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean I think Cabot Cliss is you know,

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the perfect example of that. I mean, you know, Bill

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>has this amazing sight that you know, be Ben Callender

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, had out there, and you know, Bill's like,

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, you really need to get you know a

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit more properly over here, and you really need

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to get this, you know. You know, and when a

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of times a lot of people would say, oh,

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>well this is good enough. We'll do this and we'll

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>just build the rest of these holes, you know up

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>here in the trees. But we'll have a couple holes

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>out here that you know, you can see the ocean front.

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's you know, a really neat thing

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>that Bill you know, won't just settle for a couple

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of good foals, that he wants to make sure that

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>if he's going to be there, that again he can

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>get the full potential out of the site, you know,

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>for that client.

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and they've no arguing the work they've

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>been doing. Like I mean, it's so many, so many

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>great golf courses. It's cool to see and so you know,

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>let's let's switch gears and move more into you and

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Riley's work at winter Park. So you know, the training

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>wheels were off. Now you were out on your own.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>You got your name on the project. So for those

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of listeners that aren't familiar, I'll put some videos in

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the in the podcast page that the Golf Channel has

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>done a great job with. But the background of Winter

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Park is, you know, it was a kind of overgrown

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>municipal golf course that the community kind of banded and

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>said we want something better. So you know, it's keys.

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you can color it in more. But I'd

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>love to hear about how you guys got involved, how

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you you know, on the project, and then we can

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>talk more about you know, the project as a whole.

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. So I guess you just I guess you

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 2>got to kind of start at square one. You know,

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 2>you got you got residents there like Matt Haggerty and

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Gary Deal and you know, they they they saw their

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>golf course there and you know, they loved it, but

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>they they saw the potential. They said, hey, we we

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.239
<v Speaker 2>could be we can be better. So you know, what

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 2>do these guys do. They they put together a cast

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>force that then reported to the governor, I mean the

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>mayor there to kind of give him input like, hey,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>this is what we're looking at. You know, here's you know,

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Matt Haggerty works at the golf channels, you know a

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of great golf courses. You know, Gary's been in

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the field too, so they have, you know, their expertise

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and their input, and they brought that to to the mayor,

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, to say, hey, like I really think we

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>could be better. So they start task force. They went

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to the task force and they kind of dust deeper

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>into the golf course and realized that there's a lot

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>more work to be done. You know, it's this isn't

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>just a you know, do a couple of greens and

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything's going to be great. You know, the golf

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>course greens had roots growing in them, you know, so

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>they're mowing over roots. You know, the the graph is mutated,

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the course is stashed over so it doesn't drain properly.

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>So you know, so they went to the mayor, they

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>went to the task force. They put out an RFP

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I put together a team with Riley and and and

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Don Halfney to to put together a team that could

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>get the job done in the timeframe that they needed

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 2>it done. So, you know, when they were looking at us,

0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 2>they they saw that we would be on site and

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>every day, and they saw a really big benefit that

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's awesome.

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you go down there, how long did

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the project take and kind of you know, walk us

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>through a little bit of you know, kind of your vision,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>uh for the golf course.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was, uh, you know, three of us

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>out there. So you know, Riley, myself and Blake Coone

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we you know, three guys out there,

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, out there shaping building bunkers, you know, fairways

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything. So it was it was three months, three

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 2>guys and a d three you know, that's that's what

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 2>we kind of we always kind of laughed a little

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>because the D three doser is you know, we ordered

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a D five, but we get a D three. You know,

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>it's very small doser compared to what we needed to

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>get the job done. You know, so it you know,

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it was, uh, it was exciting to work with with,

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, just like minded people that were out there

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to to get the best out of the golf course.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was I'm trying to think of how

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 2>to really explain it, but I mean it's just you

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>know it, but I don't know really how to Yeah,

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know together.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I imagine it's you know, it's a it's

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a crowning achievements. You know, your first golf course with

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>your name. It's got to be something that's kind of crazy.

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to you know process. I'm sure when you

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>think back to where you're peign concrete.

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, I mean you know to think that, you know,

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you you take all those experiences you have and in

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>all these different sites that you worked on and you

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>get a chance to bring all your experiences that you

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 2>have to municipal golf course. You know, we were coming

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 2>off of like Habo cliffs. You know, these are top

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 2>one hundred golf courses in the world that we're working on,

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>and we get to bring the experience that we have

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 2>to to municipal golf course, you know, for a community

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 2>in Winter Park, Florida. I mean that's you know that

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>that was a neat opportunity to bring that experience and

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 2>and that was you know, yeah, I mean I guess

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 2>it's you kind of sit back and you kind of

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>look at that like, you know, wow, you know, to

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>bring to to to give back in a lot of

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 2>ways to a game that's you know, given so much

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to me, to give back to a community where you know,

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>when we're out there first starting the project, you know,

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:03.240
<v Speaker 2>we're watching you know, young, old, you know, blue collar,

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 2>white collar, no collar, you know, out there golfing. You know,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the roots of community golf. And

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, we can't mess this up. Yeah, we had

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 2>the pressure. We had the pressure on us, and then

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 2>we also had you know, the golf channel, you know,

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean the golf channels right there. You know, Matt Hagerty,

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, you got Matt Janella, you got these guys

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that this is their home course. You know, these guys

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>drive by this course every day, and you know you

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>can't you can't mess this up, you know, and and

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 2>you can't come out here and do everything that you've

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>always wanted to bill on every golf course. And you

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.399
<v Speaker 2>got to make it, you know, playable, and it's got

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to be affordable and and you know, there's so many

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>things that go into your mind when you're when you're

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>starting a project. You know, when you get to the end,

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>you're like, did did we achieve our goal? And you know,

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I really think we we we achieved the goal. When

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you know you're sitting in the clubhouse and guys are

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 2>laughing and you're cheering, and you know they're just having

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a blast out there playing fun golf. And they're like,

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>you see me carry you know, the trees on number

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>six to to carry the green? Or can you believe

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 2>that bunker shot? Or you know, those type of things.

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Are the guys that come into the clubhouse and they're like,

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>we just played nine, but we want to go out

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and play another nine. You know, that's that that's or

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 2>or the or the kid that it's his first first

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 2>round of golf. You know, a dad and his son,

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, and the and the and the kids keen

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>off off the deck with the driver, you know, and

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 2>and he hits it out there about fifty yards, you know,

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>to see that, you know, yeah, after you work so

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>hard to achieve what you know, to grow the game.

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's I mean, the I think it's a

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of I'm excited. I'm gonna get to go

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>down there and play in January and you know, I'll

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 1>put a hole right up. But you know, from everything

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 1>I've seen in the pictures you've sent me before and after,

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a total transformation, and I think you know,

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>it serves as kind of a blueprint for you know,

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>community golf and municipalities and you know what you can

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>do with you know, it's relatively lean budget. But you know,

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 1>everybody wants to go with a you know, an established name,

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of times the best way to go

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is to go with the the you know, up and

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>coming you know, people that are passionate and that have

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>all this. You know, you have worlds of experience and

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, have learned from the best in the business,

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and giving somebody a shot is so you know, it's

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's they're gonna you know, like they're going to work

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>their you know, tails off for the project. And I

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 1>think that's the cool thing about the whole project was that,

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, with it with the big names and the

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 1>golf channel involved, that you and Riley and Blake got

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, you got to shine when I'm sure you

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>were up against some bigger name people.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I mean it was. It's it's very

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.720
<v Speaker 2>humbling too to think that, you know that the city

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>put full trust in us. You know, how many how

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 2>many opportunities where someone gives you that chance, you know,

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>so we we trust you. You know that the city

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>never said, you know, well, this is the way we

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>do it. You know, they you know, the leader, you know,

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>with the mayor, Steve Leary. I mean you can't I

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>can't say enough about that leadership. And in water Park.

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>If more governments, in local governments ran like winter Park,

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean we'd be we'd be in a whole lot

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 2>of better place in this country because with his leadership,

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 2>is is what made that golf course. They put the

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 2>trust in us, They they gave us the resources that

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>we needed to be successful, and you know we uh,

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I really think we delivered for them. And you know

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it's just now. That's the biggest thing is someone puts

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a trust in us. We're you know, we're gonna we're

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>going to try our best to deliver every time for

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 2>for a client, and you know, that's it's it's it's

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>just a really neat story and how it all went down.

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>And and I really think that if it's it's kind

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of a blueprint that I hope a lot of unique

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 2>golf courses can can can maybe look to call up

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>when a part you know, hey, we have this golf course.

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're losing money. It's it's it's not going well.

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think we're gonna have to sell the

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>thing and it's going to turn into a parking lot

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>or or condos. What what? What? What did you guys

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 2>do here at winn a part? And maybe it might

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 2>save a lot of these golf courses where you know,

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>this is where kids learn how to play golf, you know,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 2>and this is how we're going to grow the game.

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>So I just hope that a lot of people look

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 2>to win a park and can contact you know, the

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>task force in the mayor and get the information and

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of get that blueprint, and you know, hopefully you know,

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>if it's us or someone else, you know, it's if

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just so mini golf can win and grow.

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think it's a it's a core part.

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I grew up playing. I grew up and learned the

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>game on a municipal course. So you know, I ride

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.919
<v Speaker 1>my bike to the golf course with my golf bag

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and just you know, in the summers and spend all

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>day there. So you know, having a cool place to

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>play would be you know, where you have to hit

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>shots and you learn strategy versus you know, the state

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 1>of most MENI golf courses is just you know, rip

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>it and and and chip it. So that I want

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to get some Twitter questions. We got a couple here.

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>One of them is from a buddy Ors Trevor. Yeah, yeah,

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>trev So he wants to know what advice you have

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>for young people trying to learn your craft.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, I would say, I mean, in my case,

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I saw a really big benefit and working

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>for a contractor, like a golf course contractor, you know,

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the chance to kind of get some experience, you know, work,

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, work a summer for for a golf course

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>or local golf course, you know, doing grounds work or

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>or go work for a golf course development company for

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 2>a summer, you know, get get experienced. I would say,

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just you know, take ownership and work

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:59.399
<v Speaker 2>hard and don't lean on a shovel, don't don't sit

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>down in the bun you know, just just work hard.

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>And the people that are you know, in place to

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the leadership will notice that effort and then they might say, hey,

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, why don't you hop on this excavator or

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 2>why don't you say I'm why don't you coming on

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Saturday on your day off, I'm gonna teach you how

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to run a del you know. I mean, there's more

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of affluence for someone to give you that chance to

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 2>learn another craft. If you're working hard, you know, and

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 2>you're showing that effort, people will make the effort to

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>teach you. And I mean that's the biggest thing for

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>me is that you know, I'd love to you know,

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>teach guys how to you know, I've had guys teach me.

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, I want to be here if if there's

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>people out there that like gave as from the thing,

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>that give me the chance to to get on a

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>piece of equipment or be creative and there's a lot

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>of people that have been helped to have given me

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>that chance. And you know, I'd love to give that

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 2>chance to anyone that on different projects, if people want

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to come out and and work hard. And so I think,

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, first is you know, see if this is

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>right for you. I mean, this isn't right for everyone,

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, you know, we're traveling and I'm

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm at home, you know, sometimes maybe eighty days a year.

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm on the road, you know, away from

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 2>my wife. And you know, I mean, I'm I'm very

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.760
<v Speaker 2>lucky that I have a wife that supports you fully

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 2>and and and loves your traps. But sometimes it's not

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not exactly for everyone, you know. I mean, we're

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a funny business where we're always working

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 2>ourselves into unemployment. We just finish a project and the

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 2>lune employee, you know. I mean, so it's you know,

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I would just say, have a positive attitude, take ownership

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 2>about whatever you're doing, and people will give you the

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>chance to move up. And and I think that's my

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>opinion on my best advice for for how to to learn.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 1>M It's it's a lot like you know, work hard

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:05.479
<v Speaker 1>and try and try and be there and be ready.

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's just there. There there's no shortcuts, you know.

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean when when you try to take a short cut,

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get found out. I mean, so yeah,

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely. Ah, it is a fun business. It's very rewarding,

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 2>but it does have its sacrifices. You know, you have

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 2>to realize that you there's a lot of uncertainty if

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>you're looking for a plan on whether it's going to

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>be the next day or the next month. You know,

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what what next next project I'm going

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>to end up when I'm after this project, you know,

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and so you never know. So yeah, when you even

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>accept the uncertainty, if your person that can do that,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>then this might be the right business.

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's to probably be good for you know,

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>anybody that kind of can happy to float, you know.

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So we got one from Andy Roderick, who you know,

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>he's qualified for the US four ball in the spring,

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.240
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like he's going down to play Dormy

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.479
<v Speaker 1>Club while he's down there, so you know, he wants

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 1>to kind of know what what he can expect from

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Dormy Club. And you know you having worked on it,

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I played it. I got to played. I

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>really it's a great golf course. Would love to hear

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>your experience out there.

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know, I mean you no, I finished up

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.879
<v Speaker 2>at cir Mountain and then I got sent out there

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 2>for a little while. I was only there for a

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 2>short time. It's kind of was it was kind of

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 2>in the construction phase where you could only work on

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>thirty two acres at a time, so you're only building like,

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, three holes at the time, then draft those

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and then you can move on to the exception. So

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of that golf course. You know,

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.879
<v Speaker 2>once I left, I didn't really see the rest of it,

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, completed. I did have the opportunity which was

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.959
<v Speaker 2>my first you know kind of official court Crenshaw Green

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>that I got to build was number seven out there.

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Kind of the reverse were dand AR three, you know,

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>fun little shot in there. But I mean, if it's

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 2>a you know, I want, I went, I got. I

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 2>went as an old town. I got a chance to

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 2>go back there and kind of you know, take a

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>little loop and and look at the holes that you

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>know that that we're finished. I mean, you just you know,

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 2>you gotta you gotta think about the shots you make

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 2>in there. You know you can make the ground game

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 2>is uh, you know there. I mean it's you know,

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it's just been one of those golf courses that you know,

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>has gone through a lot of different transitions, and you know,

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 2>from what I hear from different people, it's, uh, it's

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's back up there. It's and I don't know

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>what's uh when you were there, when what was your

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 2>what was your take of of of Dormy Club and

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 2>the conditions?

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's awesome. It's you got with the

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>greens are like are tough? You know they you got

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I forget, I forget what hole was you got that?

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I really like that part four that has that downhill

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 1>shot with the the waters not in play, but it's

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>over to the right and it's got those cool cross

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 1>bunkers coming down. I played four.

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yeah, maybe four kind of has the

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 2>ravine and the waters off to the Yeah, you know

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.359
<v Speaker 2>that that's that's a really neat neat meat Bassola.

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, for me, that was my first

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>time playing in North Carolina, and I you know, I

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.399
<v Speaker 1>just the land site and the pines. It's just such

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a unique golf experience for anybody that hasn't been down

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 1>there and played that kind of golf. You know, it

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:11.240
<v Speaker 1>played firm and fast, you know, the green I loved

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 1>all like the runoff areas, the fairway around the greens.

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 1>That it's one of my favorite features in terms of

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 1>golf courses is having you know ample you know, slopes

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and have that ball run you know, if you miss

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>that green, have it run twenty yards and staying fairway

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.799
<v Speaker 1>because I think that it's so cool. It's such a

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 1>unique test and unique shots. Coming back from those.

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely makes you think about what shot you're taken,

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're not just you know, your standard. You know,

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the golf course isn't dictating what you what you have

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 2>to do, which is so great on Court French House

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 2>site that you know, the golf course isn't going to say, well,

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you got to hit this shot. You know, you have options,

0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you know you're going to use every club and you're bad,

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, it's just you know, I mean,

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 2>it's just the great you know characters of a court

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Friendshaw projects.

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's you know, one of my favorite you know,

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>architecture kind of principles is I never think that the

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>whole should dictate the type of shot that you have

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 1>to play, you know, where you know, off the t

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 1>a slicer and hit a slice, you know, and there

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>isn't all these trees on the left side that that

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>don't let them do that, you know, but there is

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>a specific way that the golf course should be played,

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, where you know certain if you're able to

0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>hit certain shot shapes, you're rewarded for doing so, but

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:46.439
<v Speaker 1>you're not, you know, essentially, you know, kindalyzed heavily for

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:51.879
<v Speaker 1>not being able to hit a specific shape exactly. It's

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. It's that you know, there's golf courses and

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 1>just playability is I think the number one thing that

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>golf courses need. Yeah, yeah, I mean every type of

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:04.439
<v Speaker 1>player has fun.

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean getting getting that short cut you know,

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>instead of having rough you know in some of those

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 2>areas between the transitions between a t you know, on

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 2>some of these like short course like Winter Park, where

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, before the golf course had rough you know,

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and now we just one cut fair way and dreams.

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 2>So I mean you're seeing the ball run. I mean

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 2>these beginners. You know, even if they top the ball

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.879
<v Speaker 2>and the one burn it down there, they're advancing the ball.

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 2>They're enjoying it. You know when you when you put

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a bunker in front of them or or things like

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that rough and you just get you know, it gets frustrated,

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you know. And yeah, and and I think that's I

0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's one thing. You know, get get rid of

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that rough, you know, cut it down shoulder and let

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.280
<v Speaker 2>people enjoy the game. Don't don't penalize everyone.

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you know, for the better players, you

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>make it about angles, you know, you make it yep. Yeah,

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 1>you make it so that you know, you want to

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>be on the right side of the fairway and maybe

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.919
<v Speaker 1>you have you know, you have a bunker over there

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that you know only they can get to.

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's exactly.

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you make it and that's the strategy. No, no,

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>go for.

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I mean that's I mean, that's one thing

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, kind of going back to the

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 2>winter Park thing, I mean, you know, we were we

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>were really stuck and limited because we had roads and

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.479
<v Speaker 2>we had a ringing, we had we had different things,

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>but we we had to figure out ways to make

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it challenging for you know, the low handicapper. You know,

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 2>how is he gonna you know, challenge this person, but

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 2>yet not challenge you know, the high handicappers. So I mean,

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>we looked at areas where we still different sets of

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:51.399
<v Speaker 2>teas that angled away from bunkers. You know that if

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 2>this guy, if he carries a bunker, then he's gonna

0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 2>get shaped, you know. But if this dinner player, that

0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 2>buffer isn't even in play because the angle will be

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>set the you know, just kind of keeping you know,

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.439
<v Speaker 2>that in mind. And there are different angles and risk

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 2>reward that you can put into a golf course that

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, as the person gets furder in

0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 2>their golf games and they start moving back to the further,

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, they kind of move back to this season

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 2>they you know, I mean even I think I think

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the cool thing about Winter Park is what we've seen

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 2>is that even when they shift the keys from not

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.839
<v Speaker 2>the back kee and they kind of move it up

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and then some of the as you've been playing the

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 2>golf course every day, like wow, you know, this completely

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 2>changes the whole and this is new and it's neat,

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, so.

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Factoring in that, yeah, I mean it's it's kind of

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 1>fun sometimes to play golf courses. Like, you know, I

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 1>play the back tis almost everywhere I go. But the

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 1>thing I used to like to do and a golf

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.240
<v Speaker 1>course I played a lot is I'd play the front

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>piece like the lady's teeth and see how low I

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>could shoot. And you know, it's actually kind of like

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>a fun, cool extra size. I mean, like you think,

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, but if it makes you really work on

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>your Like you know, you're driving up by greens, all

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you have to work on your wedges

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're in places that you're never in before, and

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just a fun way to change things up.

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that's one thing that we kind of

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the parts that we wanted to kind

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of get people to do is, you know, go play

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.919
<v Speaker 2>for the pack and play your second nine and play

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 2>from the four, you know, and then you're playing mating

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>holes and it's got different shots, it's got different challenges,

0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's got it makes you think in different ways,

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's like you get your full eighteen in,

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:40.919
<v Speaker 2>but you're playing it from different angles and in different feats.

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:46.400
<v Speaker 1>All right, So our last question here is from Robbie

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Vogel and it's about Cabot. He played it in June

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and he thought it was incredible. He's wondering if there's

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>any potential or land for a third course, and how

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.839
<v Speaker 1>much better do you expect the Cliffs course to get

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>as it matures.

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean you never know. I mean you

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:11.400
<v Speaker 2>got the you got the Kaiser factor, you know, my Kayser,

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:14.319
<v Speaker 2>you got you know, think klandor up there. I mean,

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you just never know what they what they have up

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 2>there sweep you know. Sometimes you know, I could see

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:25.040
<v Speaker 2>a short course, you know, possibly being there, you know,

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean I I see growth for you know, another

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 2>golf course to kind of pull people, to kind of

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:37.240
<v Speaker 2>be like a golf Cabot Trail type thing to Ugland people.

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that whole area out there. Just but

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 2>if you can go in the Cabot Trail play you

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 2>know links, you know, you play Cabot Cliffs, you go

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.879
<v Speaker 2>to Highlands, you know, and then another golf course, I mean,

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that's there's the there. There's not many places like that

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 2>where you could play that high quality golf. So I

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 2>see that there'll be definitely potential for from more golf

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 2>up there and for every course. Some Yeah, it just

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 2>takes it takes time. You know, it will take a

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.040
<v Speaker 2>few more years, you know. I mean the thing with

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 2>with Cliffs is it's so popular that you've got so

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 2>many people coming there that you just don't want to

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>wear it out. You know, you got the factor all

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 2>the people playing, but then you got all the caddies

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 2>on top of it. You think about how much foot

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 2>traffic you know, you're putting on those greens and around

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the greens. You know, it's but also you're trying to

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 2>get that much golf in a small window of the

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 2>time that you have to actually get golf out there

0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>and Inverness. So I mean it's always as it's a

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 2>double edged sort there because yeah, you know you want

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.360
<v Speaker 2>to bring people in and get them out there and

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it, but yet you don't want to you don't

0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 2>want to wear it out. But I think it really

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>is the winters. You know, how the winter goes, how

0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 2>how the course winters. If they get snow covered, they

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>get moisture, you know, how those greens come out of

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the winter the next year. There's always a challenge.

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I bet that had some interesting constraints to

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 1>building it. I bet you had a lot of cold

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>days on a dozer out there.

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it was that. That's probably the most

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 2>challenging project I've ever worked on, you know. I mean

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>you have a small window of time, you know, and

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and and all the guys that work on that project

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>just gave their heart and and and made a bunch

0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 2>of sacrifices to get that get that project to where

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it is now. I mean to debut at I don't know,

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 2>it was nineteen in the world or or some I

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:56.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know, some way up there on the list. I mean,

0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys put their hearts into making that

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>project happen. And it was tough days, I'll tell you

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 2>it was. It tests you in every which way, and

0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.360
<v Speaker 2>just when you think you're getting it, you know, it

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>would you know, mother nature would come down and and

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 2>and beat you down. You know. It was a it

0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 2>was a very uh, very tough projects are very rewarding,

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just glad that you know, people aren't enjoying it.

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:29.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Lynks is you know, what Ross Rob's

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 2>done out there is an awesome force. You know, It's

0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it's cool that you know, building Ben and and Rod.

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 2>All these guys you know, get get the work, you know,

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 2>close together on the project like that. So and to

0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 2>have Rod work on cliffs too, you know, you know,

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:50.280
<v Speaker 2>you kind of dig into the roots of you know,

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 2>these guys, you know, like doing Bill sitting and Rod

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and Rob was working at a golf course with them,

0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're sitting there, you know, talking about maybe some

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>day building golf courses and then you know, you fast forward,

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:05.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty years thereon Rod got a golf course

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 2>that he designed and then build build a golf course

1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.480
<v Speaker 2>right next hill. I mean, it's just you know, just cool,

1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:17.400
<v Speaker 2>cool stories. You could probably still hours of podcasts about,

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with with Bill and Ben and day

1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:22.480
<v Speaker 2>back some stories.

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, I'm I'm really excited

1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to see your career progress in the coming years and

1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll get you on here, you know, a bunch

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 1>more and talk about some more cool projects. But really

1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>appreciate all the time. I mean, you gave us a

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:50.000
<v Speaker 1>good hour plus and I'm sure you had a long

1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>day out on the ridge at the ridge course at

1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:56.360
<v Speaker 1>uh six Peter Lodge and you probably got an early

1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:57.200
<v Speaker 1>morning tomorrow.

1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:01.720
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, and uh, you know, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to think, you know, thank all the listeners too,

1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, you know, this is all kind

1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:08.520
<v Speaker 2>of new for me that to kind of be out there,

1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, to talk about you know what now It's

1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it's sometimes hard for me to talk about what I

1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.640
<v Speaker 2>do because I don't want it to to come across

1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:21.720
<v Speaker 2>as you know, cocky or have an ego or anything

1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:25.160
<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, it's just you know, we're just

1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, guys that are really passionate about what we

1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:32.120
<v Speaker 2>do and and really want to work with, you know,

1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.320
<v Speaker 2>people that enjoy the game, and you know, we just

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.600
<v Speaker 2>want to work with cool people and build cool golf.

1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we can do that, then you know,

1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:44.000
<v Speaker 2>golf will win. And you know it's it's not about

1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not about the name of who the designer is

1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>or or or who that is. I mean, if it

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>could be more about the golf course and and what

1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:55.160
<v Speaker 2>that does for a community or the people in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's I just really appreciate you know, you

1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:03.200
<v Speaker 2>you're having me on here. It's always nice to meet

1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:06.520
<v Speaker 2>people that are passionate about you know, architecture and and

1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.600
<v Speaker 2>find new ways to kind of get the information out

1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to people. And you know, thanks, thanks again for having

1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>me on here. I don't hope I didn't mess it

1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.680
<v Speaker 2>up too much. And my phone dropped out dropped out.

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<v Speaker 3>There a couple of times. So this will be this

1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:26.760
<v Speaker 3>will be your last. Uh you know, we'll kind of.

1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I know that you're up in your game on the

1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:31.560
<v Speaker 3>podcast thing, so I guess you can go out with

1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:32.919
<v Speaker 3>a bang on this one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for everybody out there, I want to say this

1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:42.360
<v Speaker 1>is the last, the last podcast without a real microphone.

1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:46.840
<v Speaker 1>So the podcast is and the next thing we're gonna

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.800
<v Speaker 1>work on. We're gonna get some entrance music. So yeah,

1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, but I don't know if we'll get a

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:57.600
<v Speaker 1>better guy. So I appreciate the time, Keith, and uh

1:02:57.800 --> 1:03:02.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk soon. Okay, thank you, thanks like you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>M