1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: This is Terrence mathis former NFL player of thirteen years 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: now the new head coach at more House College b 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Moore House College. This is the NFL Player's Second Acts Podcast. 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Mat I want to check it out. It's a good one. 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody was going on? 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: I'm Peanut Tuman and this is the NFL Player's Second 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: Acts Podcast. And this is my guy, Roman Harper, my 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: co host, my host, co host, my Trip number two, 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: my Batman, my Robin. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely Batman. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 4: You're definitely so thanks to all of our viewers and 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: listeners out there wherever you're at. And I hate to say, 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio specifically for letting us have this West Midtown facility 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 4: right here in the NFL players Second Acts background in 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: the iHeart Radio Student that. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: Was a great intro. Let's get to our guests. This 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: gentleman was a six round pick in the nineteen ninety 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: drafts played thirteen seasons in the NFL as a receiver 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: on the hard turf. Yes pro bowler. He's an All 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: Pro and on nineteen ninety four, is a member of 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three College Football Hall of Fame. Yes, 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: and he's the head coach at Dee Moorhouse College. Ladies 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: and gentlemen, please welcome to the podcast. Terrence Matthews. That's 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: a hell of a title head coach of Morehouse. 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: I like that. That's nice. Hey man, that's a big brand. 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: Yes it is. 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: Morehouse is probably the biggest brand in HBCU rams, bigger 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: than Howard Has Howard Has a Luxury to be number two. 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: Behind more Luxury and being number two, I know a 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: guy who went through. I'm gonna have to. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: I met a guy. I met a guy that went there. Okay, 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: so I had to throw that jeah, throw it in there, 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you. 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: That is not a jab a jab. 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: That was a clear right right right, That was not 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: It's not a job. 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: I want to know this though. 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 5: Talking about more House, what was it like to have 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 5: ESPN's first take with Shannon Sharp and Steven a come 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 5: to you Guys's campus, to you guys's game versus Clark Atlanta. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think when I first got hired, I got 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: the assignment, the president said to me, he says, more 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: House is a brand everybody knows academically around the country 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: and around the globe, and all the distinguished men has 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: come out of more House whatsoever. Then he says, what 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: can you do to help the Morehouse College football brand? 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: And I said, well, I know I know some people 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: who know some people. So this year we played and 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: played on TV six times and then like you said, 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: first take came out and it was something new for 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: the college and the campus is between CEU and everyone 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: and everybody ate it up and it was it was 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: just something that that more House haven't witnessed before. And 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: it'd be more to come, but it was I think 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: it gave the the country and ideal of the energy 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: that that Morehouse College has HBCUs whatsoever. And it's really 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: really good football. If you get a chance to even 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: watch a game whatsoever, will come see a game. It's 59 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: really really good football. 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 5: You know what the crazy thing to me is is 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 5: just hearing you talk about that, because when you think 62 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: of HBCU football or just sports really, but specifically football 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: here in the state about Georgia or right around this area. Clark, 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but like I always go back to drum line, 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: like that was such an influential half show and the 66 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 5: halftime show, and like it's about everything else. The tailgate, 67 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 5: Like that's where the mind goes naturally and you're like, yeah, 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: but the ball. 69 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. It's all about homecoming, what games, 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: the bands, that's the tailgates, that is you know. And sometimes, 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: as we make a joke, the only reason we have 72 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: a football team is for til for tail gate, home 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: coming and playing Clark Atlanta. You know. But at the 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, we're trying to change that there. 75 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: We're trying to change the atmosphere and become a prominent 76 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: football program in the hbcuh realm of things. So, uh, 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: you gotta see it. We we had against Clark Atlanta. 78 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: We had to sell out. Well, they stopped letting people in. 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: That's never happened before at a moor House College football game. So, 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: like you said, that's progress. And I love where I am. 81 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing man, and the vision is 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: and the future is right for us. 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's talk about the season. How and how 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: do you all end up doing this season? 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: I said, the vision was. 86 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Right. 87 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: No, we ended up one to night. That's three years 88 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: in a row that the college has been one to nine. 89 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm finishing up my ninth month on the job. 90 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: Came in with feet running. You know, you know I 91 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: was behind and recruiting we were doing. But you know, 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: we we put it together. We laid the foundation. So far, 93 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: the twenty four class that we recruited is going to 94 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: be really good. About four or five of them played 95 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: quite a bit this year. 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what are some of the what do you 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: think one of the biggest challenges. I'm sure there are 98 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: there are a few, but if you could just pick one, 99 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: what do you think one of the biggest challenges is 100 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: that that you're facing to get more house to where 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: they need to be. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I think the student athlete, student athlete and the student 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: athlete recruiting is the biggest challenge. But I have a 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: four term to recruit. Now. I didn't last February. I 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: would just but you know, here's the thing I tell them. 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: I said, I don't care if you a five star 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, all American, I'm gonna recruit you. All they 108 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: can do is say no. Right. So, but if that 109 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: one or two guys say hey, I'm gonna take a chance, 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: it turns the program around instantly. It gives us instant 111 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: credibility whatsoever. And then what you have to do we 112 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: put you know, a great staff around that have been there, 113 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: done that, great teachers, great motivators, whatsoever, you know, and 114 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: that can change the mindset of the student athlete. The 115 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: term we use now we want. We don't want any 116 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: more players that happen to play football. We want football players. 117 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's the culture has to change. 118 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: Where of course we're in academic school, and we're academic school, 119 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: and that's fine. We have young men out there. There 120 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: are three point five or four point oheros that are 121 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: really good football players, but they're they're power five type 122 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: or power four type kids. But there's the high school 123 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: athlete right now are the ones that are getting an 124 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: injustice because of the portal and whatsoever. And then then 125 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: the junior college kids are the ones sitting out there waiting. 126 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: So we got a pool of kids or young men 127 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: that we're going after that we know can give us 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: immediate success, right And they're they're receptive to what I'm saying, 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: because I always I said, I got the answer to 130 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: all the questions. 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's beautiful, and you know, with the 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 5: chances here, and I just think you're just so correct 133 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 5: when you're like, it only takes the one recruit that 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 5: changes the narrative for the whole thing. You know, you 135 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 5: look at like a player like Travis Hunter who comes 136 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 5: from this area right here, and him decided to go 137 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 5: to Jackson State to go follow Dion change everything, change everything. 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, you can do that. As 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 5: a matter of fact, I can go there and be 140 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: successful as well. And so for the proof is in 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 5: the putting type deal. Players got to see it more 142 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 5: than just words and morehouse being an academic school does 143 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 5: make it a little bit more challenging for you, but 144 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: you don't seem like you're running from anything. And so 145 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 5: with that being said, how much running did you feel 146 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 5: like you need to do? After you got your first 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 5: win as a coach versus Kentucky State and the way 148 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 5: we won. 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: It was beautiful. In the last seconds of the game, 150 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: we were up and we were behind, and it was 151 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: amazing how we marched down eighty yards to win that 152 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: football game. And you know, I thought then was gonna 153 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: be the turning point of our season, not knowing that 154 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: after that game, my starting All Star Superstar wide receiver 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: was going to be out for the next three weeks. 156 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Not knowing you know, my slot receiver was going to 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: have a concussion and be out, not knowing that we 158 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: were going to lose an offensive lineman whatsoever. And then 159 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: it's just everything just started and you scratching your head 160 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. But the beauty of it 161 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: all is they kept showing up every week, and then 162 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: that's when you know you're doing something right when they 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: keep showing up to meetings and workouts to practice and 164 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: they keep trying. They don't go into games. They didn't 165 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: go into one game thinking they were going to lose 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: a football game. And as we know, in football, there's 167 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: two or three plays a game that determines the outcome. 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't care what the score is. It's two or 169 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: three plays in the game. Five at the match, yeah, 170 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: five at the Mets. We played, we played Clark Atlanta, 171 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: last game of the year. We had a block punt 172 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: four touchdown, a punt return four touchdown right, and then 173 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: we threw an interception going in late in the game. 174 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: That's three plays. You take the two off and you 175 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: count that one, the touchdown and the interception and the 176 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: end zone. We win a football game. Three plays. Three 177 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: plays determine the outcome of that football game. 178 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 3: So we're from the I think we're all from the 179 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: old school as far as recruiting goes, right, you're I 180 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: think you're at a disadvantage in the sense of this 181 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: whole new nil situation. Right, How competitive is it with 182 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: or how difficult is it when you're trying to recruit 183 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: a kid and they want the nil deal. 184 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: It's funny. I had that situation happen and young man 185 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: kept pressing me about this, and you know, hey, you 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: got sponsorship to any nil money blah blah blah blah 187 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: blah blah, and he kept going on on, and I says, hey, man, 188 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: I said, if you're choosing to come to my college 189 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: for a nil deal, I'm the wrong coach to play for. 190 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: I am the absolutely wrong coach to play for. You 191 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: have to prove to me that you just deserve this 192 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: before I give it to you. Okay, Yeah, I brought 193 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: you in because I think you can play. But at 194 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day, if that's what you're planning for, 195 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: I think that's not going to serve us an it 196 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: ain't a service any purpose at all. Are we going 197 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: to eventually get in io deals? Probably so, But at 198 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: the moment, right now, we're been talking about it, we're 199 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: working on it, but we don't have one in place 200 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: right now. 201 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 5: Number one, I think in il's fine. The transfer port 202 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 5: is the real thing. When you handle that part. I 203 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 5: think the NIO will set it so, oh yeah, eventually, 204 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: but we're too far away, too far away, it's just 205 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 5: not there right now. The biggest knock on NIL in 206 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 5: my opinion, and coach you could attest to this or not, 207 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: is that it has made everything transactional. Yeah, and that 208 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 5: is not what coused football is supposed to be, especially 209 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: at the early stages of it. It's supposed to be 210 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 5: how can I go there and become a better holistic, 211 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 5: be transformal, yes, transformal person, not a transaction. And so 212 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 5: that is what this thing is turned into. And it's 213 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 5: really muddy the waters for a lot of people. And 214 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 5: so the hot button word is hell. But I think 215 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 5: the transfer port is the same thing you seem to 216 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 5: be agreeing with. 217 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: I agree with you if you fix the transfer port 218 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: or everything's fine if you're at the end of the day, 219 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: if you just do it the correct way, where even 220 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: if a guy goes into transfer port, like for instance, 221 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: if I have a young man that says coach I 222 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: think I want to go into transferport or whatsoever. First 223 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: thing I say to him, give me the schools you 224 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: want to go to. Go in there with a plan, 225 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and I said, give yourself a deadline, and I'm gonna 226 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: give you a deadline to it. If it's not working 227 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: out for you, I'll let you come back. But you 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: got to give yourself a debtline. But the ego and 229 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: the pride sets in it says, you know what, I'm 230 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: a stick in here. Stick in here. Now you're in 231 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: there for two or three years whatsoever. Now you're not 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: getting your education because Mama and Daddy can't pay for school. 233 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: So now you're working a job, working out thinking you're 234 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: going to get picked up after being out of school 235 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: for two years whatsoever. And guess who the ones that 236 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: are I struggle by it. It's us black men, black students. 237 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: Now you've got a bunch of black students out there 238 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: without an education because they were looking for a green 239 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: of pastors and it never happened. And that's the ugliness 240 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: of the transfer port. It bothers the mess out of 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: me because you had you was on the right track 242 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: to graduate, get your degree, all that, but then you 243 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: looked at money, money, money, and fame, fame, fames that 244 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: I want to do something different. I want to be 245 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: bigger than life whatsoever. I want to play on TV. 246 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: I want to playing bowl games. And it never happened 247 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: for you. Now you're working, and now you might go 248 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: to you might pay for college mostly not so now 249 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: you're working on getting your AA. I'm not saying that's 250 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with getting your AA from community college or 251 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: junior college. But your future was bright if you had 252 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: just stuck with it's just stick with it, It's gonna be. 253 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 5: Okay, coach, tell me is how much of your playing 254 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 5: days has influenced your coaching philosophy? Now, for those that 255 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: don't know you're playing days, all right, the dude was 256 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 5: a flat out baller. Okay, All American at New Mexico 257 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine, he became. He was also the first player, 258 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 5: first All American player in New Mexico's history. 259 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yes? 260 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 5: And then you also were the first player in college 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 5: football to have two hundred and fifty receptions, four thousand 262 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: receiving yards, and over six thousand yards in total yards. 263 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: First person, yes, ever in college history. 264 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 2: Everte this guy right here some respect. I just want 265 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: to say that. 266 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: What I want to say, I was like. 267 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 5: I had to get that in somewhere because that is 268 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: a special Yeah, just stat line. Ain't nobody else did that? 269 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 5: Well some may be somebody now, but you were the first. 270 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 5: And so how does that doing all that it contribute 271 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 5: to your coaching philosophy right now? 272 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know, people don't understand the reason that happened 273 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: is because I've played with on my shoulder. You know, 274 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: I was too small. You wasn't getting recruited by the 275 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: big schools whatsoever. Yeah, I was the last one. I 276 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: signed the last scholarship they had whatsoever. In June of 277 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that year, and I leave Georgia to go all the 278 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: way to New Mexico to play football. And I had 279 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: something to prove to everybody, especially here in the Southeast, 280 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: that I can play football at a high level. And 281 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: then as you go on whatsoever, it's draft time, they 282 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: say you're not fast enough, you're not big enough. I 283 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: get drafted in the sixth round, and after becoming a 284 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: free agent, you know, people were like, oh, he's not 285 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: an every down receiver whatsoever. And then I come back 286 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: home to Atlanta and break franchise records my first year here, 287 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: and like you said, go to the Pro Bowl and 288 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: All Pro and all these things. So I think overcoming 289 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: adversity and being told you can't, and the work ethic 290 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: and never giving up. Because every game that I've coached 291 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: in this year, you'll see me coaching to the last 292 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: that's zero on the clock. I don't care what the 293 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: score is. I'm telling let's go, let's get it, let's finish. 294 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: We had a game where it was twelve seconds left 295 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: in the game and I heard the coach and say, hey, 296 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: let's just get out of here. Whatsoever. And we had 297 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: an injury time out and the quarterback came to me 298 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: and I gave him a play. If I'd have just 299 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: said kneel down, I'm being a hypocrite. I've been telling them, 300 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: hey man, we're gonna play to the last whistle. Coach, 301 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: you just you said it was gonna play the last whistle. 302 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: They remember little things like that. So you got to 303 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: always be about what you what you say. 304 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: So I know you had mentioned you would have left 305 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: koshin if you wouldn't have got the Morehouse shop. 306 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Mmmm, why I was saying, I was doing it for 307 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: looking forward for twelve years head coaching job at the 308 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: collegiate level. I thought I was ready. Obviously I wasn't 309 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: because I wasn't getting the opportunity needs to do it. 310 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't want to go to the NFL and 311 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: be a be a long time journey sideline wide receiver coach. 312 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think I had an upward trajectory of going 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: to the NFL. So the story is, we were watching 314 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: the FC NFC championship game that night being my wife, 315 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: and let's go back the day before. My children was 316 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: over and was having a good time. And you know 317 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: my kids, my older kids, we over. The four of 318 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: us were together. I'm loving it, this and that, and 319 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm going, oh, I like this. And I set up 320 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: and I was about to tell my wife. I said, 321 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: if I don't get a job this next coaching cycle, 322 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm done. I set up and couldn't talk, and I 323 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: sat back and I couldn't speak for three minutes. I 324 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: don't know why that was. I think it was pretty 325 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: much God said shut up, right. So the next night 326 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: we're watching the games whatsoever, and I sit up on 327 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: the edge of the couch and I'm shaking my head 328 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: and my wife said, what's wrong. I said, baby, I 329 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: don't want to go back to high school coaching, don't 330 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: want to be uh NFL sideline coach. I want my 331 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: own gig. She said, it's gonna come, she said. She 332 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: said the first will be last and the last will 333 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: be first. She says, remember that. So that night I went, 334 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: I went to my went to the room, got on 335 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: my knees, and I just threw my hands up with 336 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: tears of my eyes. I says, Lord, wherever you send me, 337 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: I go and honor your name every day. That next morning, 338 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: I sit on the couch. I opened up my phone 339 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and there's a text message from the ad at Morehouse 340 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: College and he says, hey, can we meet I says, 341 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: what is this another zoom meeting for an interview. He says, no, 342 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: I need to meet you off campus so we can 343 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: have a conversation. So I met him. He says, look, 344 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna offer you to be ahead football coach at 345 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: morning House College. And I was like, oh cool, And 346 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: there I'm trying to play it cool. Yeah, I'm trying. Well, 347 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: here's you know, I know long enough, a deal ain't 348 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: done until you sign a contract. 349 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, a handshake. 350 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Donna beat anything. And so we left the restaurant and 351 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: I called the wife and she was like, ah, I said, baby, 352 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: don't get excited until we signed. This was a Tuesday, 353 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: until we signed a contract. So he caused me later 354 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: and said, you're gonna meet with the president whatsoever. You're 355 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. So we get there. I get 356 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: there and I'm talking to him and we're talking about it. 357 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: He gives me the contract. So in the first paragraph 358 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: there's my salary, right, he says, look it over, make 359 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: sure everything is right. And the last paragraph there's another 360 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: salary that's more than them. Went uptime. I said, there's 361 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: a discrepancy here. I said, we can just cross this 362 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: out and we'll put our inshoes in whatever you offer me. 363 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: We'll stay with. He comes though, we look at it. 364 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: He says, no, we'll cross all the least and we 365 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: go with the one at the bottom. Remember now, the 366 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: first of the last, last of me first, so it 367 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: moves up right. So then we look at the whole process. 368 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting at home and I'm talking to my 369 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: wife about this thing, and I'm going through it. From 370 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: power five fbs fcs to division II Football. More House 371 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: was the last job on the circuit that was available 372 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: then to take a job where a team was last 373 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: in the conference was one and nine. The first will 374 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: be last, the last will be first. And I'm holding 375 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: on to that. We didn't finish last. We were probably 376 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: number eleventh in the conference this year with even with 377 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: our one to nine record. So it's gonna happen. And 378 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: that's how I got the job. And that's why I 379 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: know my assignment. And even through all the naysayers and 380 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: this and that, that and this, you know you hear it. 381 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: You're not a more You're not an HBCU guy. You're 382 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: not a more House guide this. We do this, this way, 383 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: this way, this way, blah blah blah blah blah blah. 384 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: By I'm not here to change your culture. I mean 385 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm here to change the atmosphere. That's why I'm here. 386 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: You can have your culture, but we're gonna change the 387 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: atmosphere over here. We're gonna do things different over here, 388 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: uncommon things over here to be great. That says, now 389 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: it may look you know, I may have disturbed the 390 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: ordinary which made you man, but give it the process 391 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: time to work. I said, you got to give it 392 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: time to work. I got a full winner and spring 393 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: to make this thing work. So when we come back 394 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: in August for training camp, gonna we're gonna enjoy the 395 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: fruits of our labor September when we kick it off. 396 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: But you gotta you can't look at it. You can't 397 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: say oh one and nine again. But you can't talk 398 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: about my record until you talk about scholarships and facilities. 399 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: That don't matter. 400 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: We don't give full scholarships and we don't have the 401 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: best facilities. Now, if you've given me everything I needed 402 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: to be successful, now we can have a decent conversations 403 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: of why are you one to nine? 404 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we'll be right back after a quick break. 405 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 5: So do you ever regret not taking a coaching job 406 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 5: back in the day with Dan. 407 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: Reeves and Bill Colvin? 408 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: Huh, y'all know those things? 409 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 5: Because if you didn't, if you didn't quote, I was 410 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 5: going to quote it because I read an article. You 411 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 5: said you told your wife you was gonna throw in 412 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 5: the towel of the coaching business if you didn't get 413 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 5: that job. 414 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: So you explain that. So you explained this. So yeah, 415 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: in hindsight, you know you should have listened. You just 416 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: your knuckle ahead. You should listen. Uh. My exit meeting 417 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: after year twelve with the Falcons and Dan Reese walk 418 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: in the office and I said, coach, I know my 419 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: salary cap numbers. 420 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: I hide. 421 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Here's the plan. I give him the whole plan. Whole plan. 422 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: He says, well, he sit back. He says, well, you 423 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: know I was thinking for your future, you join me 424 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: and be my receiver coach. I said, no, Coach, I 425 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: want to play some more. He said, you'd be a 426 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: great coach. You've been doing it already as a player coach. 427 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: The kids, the young men respect you, the players respect you. Whatsoever. 428 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: It'll be an easy transit. I said, no, I want 429 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: to So then I says, well, if you're gonna release me, 430 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: release me early so I can get picked up. So 431 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: he did. So signed with the Steelers, and I went 432 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: through all that. Uh so everybody said the reason why 433 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: they signed me is to make sure to take care 434 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: of Flexico. First. That was that wasn't his babysitter. I 435 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: was his big brother during that time. So then after 436 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: my my exit meeting, there Bill Cowb before I even 437 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: said a word, he says, there's what's your future players. 438 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, he's bring I want to play another year, 439 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, I want to play some more football. I says, why, Yeah, 440 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: he said, I think you'd be a great addition to us, said, 441 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I said, coach, I think I want to play another year, 442 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: another year that that, another year that never came. And 443 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: I was like, dude, dude, you right there. You was 444 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: on the fast track of being a head football coach 445 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: at the highest level, but you wanted to play more football. 446 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 5: And they I mean, and that that pension and that 447 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: the health care good too. Boy, tell you the NFL. Boy, 448 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 5: I forget how it was. You just go to the doctor. 449 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: You just walk out, your card is on file, and 450 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: see you next time. Mister matthis, I'm like, I don't know, 451 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: co pay no nothing. 452 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: That was good. 453 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: The wife calls it, Uh does our insurance cover everything? 454 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: Does he have to pay anything? Oh? 455 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: He is good. 456 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, thank you. 457 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 5: Uh, I know, man, I just I think that's Uh. 458 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 5: Timing is everything. And I know how much you meant 459 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 5: because we talked. We spoke to Reggie Kelly and he 460 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 5: bragged about you immediately, talking about the VET that you 461 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 5: were the leadership leadership calls that you talked about showing 462 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: him all these other things, and then you're going out 463 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 5: there and being the first one hundred catches for that 464 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcon and just doing all these things and just 465 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 5: you know what it was like to be a pro. 466 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: You were the first real example that he sawt and 467 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 5: so I don't know if he was able to give 468 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 5: you those flowers, but I want to give them to 469 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 5: you now. 470 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: So it was noticed, and it wasn't. 471 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 5: Just other coaches recognizing that that the players around you 472 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 5: did too. 473 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: So just know that and you've always been watched. 474 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge. You know. My My thing is is 475 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: I can be a vocal person when I want to, 476 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: but I want to show you. You know, I'm a demonstrator, visual, 477 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: you know more. I have to communicate more being ahead 478 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: football coach, but also I have to show them as well. 479 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: You know. It's you know, with Reggie, our first conversation 480 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: was details. Brother, It's the little thing mentioned that. It's 481 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: the details. I says, you got to understand. You know 482 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of guys can go out there and run 483 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: fast and myth ways and this and that, but can 484 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: he stop? Can he do this? Can it's the details. 485 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: I would go to practice, and we have one on ones, 486 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: you know those one on one and I tell a 487 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: quarterback every time I come up, I'm running the same route, 488 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: So don't ask me what I'm running. I'm running off 489 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: slants today. No matter what that defense did that one 490 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: on one coverage, bump off, whatever he did inside outside, 491 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: I was running a slant. And then the next day 492 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: I do that. Said why you do that? I said, 493 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm working on my craft. I said, if I don't 494 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: see it five different ways, I won't know how to 495 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: beat it on Sunday. Think about that, because next time 496 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: this guy might have you bump inside outside, he may bail, 497 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: he may whatever he may do. So now when I'm 498 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: playing the game, oh I've seen this. I've seen it 499 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: in practice. You know. So I was really detailed in 500 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: a route running. It was always how can I beat you? 501 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, if I was playing against him, I would 502 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: dissect him right away. Okay, three weeks ago, he limped 503 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: off the field and they worked on his hip. Let 504 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: me see if he what he's doing on that hip. 505 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to the offensive coordinating the quarterback coach saying, hey, 506 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: he can't open up as fast as this way. This 507 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: is what route we need to run against him today. 508 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: That's how detailed I was. And when I ran across, 509 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: when I had deep in routes whatsoever, I looked at 510 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: the safeties and I would say, Okay, this safety he's 511 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: gonna come and he's not gonna stop his feet, so 512 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: he gonna plun it to me. This safety he's gonna 513 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: gather his feet and tackle. So when I run a 514 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: deep in route against that safety that I know once 515 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: knocked my helmet off, when I catch it, I'm planking 516 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: my feet right now, take the blow and keep going. 517 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: The other one that's gonna technically sound want to wrap up, 518 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch it and keep going because he's gonna 519 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: miss he he's not ready to tackle, and I'm just 520 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: gonna run through that arm tackle. So I was that 521 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: detailed in everything that I did. 522 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that ninety four season you're extremely detailed. 523 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: It was probably the first time in NFL history, well 524 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: at the time, it was the first time in NFL 525 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: history that three receivers a hundred plus receptions. 526 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: It was do you know where they are? 527 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice and Chris Carr. 528 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Jerry Rice had one hundred and twelve. You 529 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: were one hundred and eleven and Chris Carter had one 530 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two, and. 531 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 5: That broke the thing because you know, the big story 532 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 5: was Chris Carter only caught touch down. 533 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to tell you about that day. That 534 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: was a funny day because we all was right there 535 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: at the same numbers for going into the last week. 536 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: And then when I got to one hundred and eleven, 537 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: I got hurt. I had an ac joint spring and 538 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: I couldn't play the second half of the game, and 539 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to coach. I'm okay, I'm okay. I want 540 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: to get this record. The record was once twelve at 541 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: the time, I was like, I want to get the record, 542 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: so you know, so you know, forty nine ers played. 543 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers played that afternoon. We 544 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: played the first game, and I think they played the 545 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: three thirty four o'clock game, and then the Vikings played 546 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: the night game. So this knew exactly what I did, 547 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: exactly what he needed. They fed. Oh, they sated him 548 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: like he was a fat cat. That night. I think 549 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: they might have thrown through the ball thirty something times 550 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: and probably twenty five of them went to him. They 551 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: made sure they fed him that night. So but it 552 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: was it was a beautiful weekend. That's good. 553 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: What is your fondest memory of playing in the Super 554 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: Bowl thirty three? 555 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: As uh, you know, as part of the Dirty Bird 556 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: two things. We're sitting in the tunnel and you know, 557 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: they have the canopy that goes out to the end 558 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: zone whatsoever, so you can't see anybody. So you know 559 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you're you're standing there and you know you're you're hearing 560 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: everybody get the names called. And then it was your turn, 561 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: and they said that wide receiver from the University of 562 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: New Mexico, number eighty one, Terrence. And you here, you 563 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: don't hear nothing else, and you jogging out and then 564 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: when you come from one of that canopy, and it 565 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: was flickers everywhere. And I turned around and I'm going 566 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: backwards and I see myself on the big screen, and 567 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: I said, this is what I dreamed about ever since 568 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: I was nine years old playing football in the yard, saying, oh, 569 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: terrece mathis winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. It was phenomenal. 570 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: And then not only that was the beginning the end, 571 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: the last touchdown of the Super Bowl. 572 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: I scored seven catches eighty five yards. 573 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I was and I scored, and I was like, I 574 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: got come on, man, and it's the Super Bowl, bro, Yeah, 575 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: the only game on television that day, millions of people 576 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: watching the game, and you were playing in that game. 577 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Ain't nothing like it? Nothing like it, Man, Ain't nothing 578 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: like it. 579 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: I'm curious, what uh for your career? Throughout your bro, 580 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: what's been your raist accomplishment? So if you were the 581 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: Man of the Year for the Falcons and ninety eight, 582 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: you you had one hundred cats season when it was 583 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: extremely rare, You got into the College Football Hall of 584 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: Fame in twenty twenty three, you set a college receiving 585 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: record at New Mexico. 586 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: Multiple yeah, and you bought out in the Super Bowl. 587 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: Let's spend your greatest accomplishment. 588 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: I promised myself when I walked through them doors, y'all 589 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: was going to ask me tough questions, and I knew. 590 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: I said, hey, damn, you're not gonna be in emotion 591 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: over the day. And I said, emotion two of them. 592 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: My greatest accomplishment is not even about football. When I 593 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: left New Mexico, I had another semester of school to go, 594 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: and I promised my mom, I would get my degree, 595 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: and I eventually got my degree, but she didn't see it. 596 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: She passed away before I got it. My second pushment 597 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: is my wife. She knows by me telling her, but 598 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. She probably saved my 599 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: life because I was spinning, spinning out there, out of control, 600 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: and she came when she came into my life at 601 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: a time where I could have went either way, and 602 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: she stabilized me, and she helped me to get through 603 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: some of the things that I was dealing with, from 604 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: finance to whatever I was going through, the demons that 605 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: I was fighting every day. And here we are twenty 606 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: seven years later. Oh my god, that queen is something special. 607 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Whenever I'm doing this, pulls me up. Whenever I stumbled, 608 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: she comes to running and standing there. You won't even 609 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: know if I'm weak because she's always by me holding 610 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: me up. My head goes down because hurt, she puts 611 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: her arm around me and pushes my chin up. She 612 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: makes sure I'm never looked defeated, ever looked defeated. She 613 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: never let people see me at my worst when I'm hurting. 614 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: She never let people do that. She come on, baby, 615 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: it's Okay at the games, come on, baby, it's okay, 616 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: come on, you're fine. Even when I was playing, I 617 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: come out that come out that locker room, in the 618 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: family room, she was right there. Okay, she look at me, 619 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: look at me in a face. You good, You're good. 620 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: That's been my two greatest accomplishment. 621 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: Love that I do. 622 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 5: Our guests, we try and we're trying to ask them 623 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 5: all who's on their personal amount rushmore of influence? Of influence, Yeah, 624 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 5: that's God, that's influenced in the far as, Like who's 625 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 5: who's made you who you are? And so who's gotten 626 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 5: tear terence mathis too where you are right now? Who's 627 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 5: been those four people that have been the biggest influential 628 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 5: people in your life? Doesn't have to be just football, 629 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 5: but in life, because it's all the same. I got 630 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 5: start with Mom, of course, you know, single parent. 631 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: Mom raised four of us, three sisters and myself. She 632 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: was she was that dad in my life. How I 633 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: know that because she was to beat me like she 634 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: was a man. Sometimes. Oh lord, she always told me 635 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: I could, I can, I can, I can't. She's always said, hey, 636 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: set your goal so high. If you fall short and 637 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: still be amongst oars. She taught me all those things 638 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: she's taught me. I'm so much, you know. And then 639 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: my grandmother, my grandmother loved me so hard. Oh my god. 640 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: She had other grand kids, but she loved me so hard. 641 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: It was I come home, and you know, she lived 642 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: in Detroit. I come to Detroit and she cook this 643 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: big old spread and wouldn't let nobody come over to 644 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: be My grandmother and grandfather's eating all this food. She's like, no, no, no, 645 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you can't come over because this is what they call 646 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: me Terry. This is for Terry being Griffith. He was 647 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: my offensive coordinator at the University of New Mexico. He 648 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: recruited me out there. I was an eighteen year old 649 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five pound freshman and he told me, 650 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna play on Sundays. You can play in the NFL. 651 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: Ain't nobody else is telling you. 652 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, whatever, No, you're that good. And then 653 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: he started I'm like okay, all right. And I remember 654 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: he introduced me to a scout from the Vikings. They 655 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: were watching film. They was watching film. We would go 656 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: in the film room and turn on He said, hey, 657 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: you see anybody on this film you like And he said, yeah, 658 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: I see some seniors. That's pretty good. But who is 659 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: this little number fifteen? He said, well, that's Terence math 660 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: is here. He is right here. So the guy turns 661 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: the film off, turns around, walks up to me, shakes 662 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: my hand. He says, son, you keep doing what you're doing. 663 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna be playing on Sundays. That's when I took 664 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: it serious. I said, okay, I can really make it 665 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: so Ben Griffin. And the fourth one would be a 666 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: man that showed me how to be a professional at 667 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: what I do. That was Ronnie Lot. Ronnie Lott and 668 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: I played together in New York, and I remember on 669 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, Monday night, we playing the Cowboys and 670 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: it's probably less than two minutes left in the game. 671 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: We get a big stop. They're gonna punt to us. 672 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, worst case scenario, a fair catcher in midfield. 673 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: It's a giant stadium, it's raining, and the wind is blowing. 674 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: The ball went up and then it started coming and 675 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: going away from me. So I tried to go get 676 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: it and I muffed it. They recovered it, kneel down 677 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: three times. We lost. I ran off the field when 678 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: in locker room, went in the screwded place, threw my 679 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: helmet down, sat on the floor like a little in 680 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: a little infant position, and it was like talking a lot. 681 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: I can't go in that locker room. Can't go in 682 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: that locker room. So I hear Ronnie Lot calling my knee. 683 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: Anybody see Terrence? Where's Terrence? Where's team Matt? Where's he Tony? 684 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: What are you doing? So he grabbed me. This is honest, 685 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: god true, from the floor, picked me up, put me 686 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: against the wall, my feet bang. So I don't ever 687 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: want to see you like this again. You don't lose 688 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: a game by yourself. You don't win a game by yourself. 689 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: You better than this. Were gonna need you. I don't 690 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: ever want to see you like you. Hear me say yes, 691 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: he says, you get in there. Them guys in there 692 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: love you. So I went in there. They say, hey man, 693 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: you good, hey man, you're good. This was my fourth 694 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: year now, so I became a free agent. I took 695 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: that to Atlanta, and that's why ninety four happened in Atlanta. 696 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: I was a professional. I didn't care what the outcome. 697 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: Come was, get me the ball and I'm gonna make 698 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: something happen, and if I didn't, it was okay. And 699 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: that's how I became a professional, and that's how I, 700 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, treat my players like that. Now, Hey, man, 701 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: a loss, don't define who you're gonna marry, how much 702 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: money you're gonna make, how many kids you don't have. 703 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: It's just a loss. Just go out there and have fun. 704 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: And now I tell them it's only one person on 705 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: this team that get wins and losses. That's coach Mathis. 706 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: I said, they don't put by your name. Hey, Johnny Williams, Oh, 707 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: by the way, you were one to nine. Hey Terence Mathis, Oh, 708 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: by the way, you were one and nine. Coach Matthews 709 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: was one and nine, you know. And I told them, 710 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: I said, so I take that for you, so you 711 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: can go out and be the best that you can be. 712 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: Don't worry about the record, don't worry about making mistakes. 713 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: It's okay. I've made them before. It's okay. I said, 714 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: I understand this, And I always tell them. I said, 715 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: I have dropped balls, punts in front of eighty thousand 716 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: people and they was paying me millions of dollars and 717 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: I did it so You shouldn't feel bad if you 718 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: drop a ball, fumble a ball, it's a tackle or 719 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: anything else. There's professional men that make me the dollars 720 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: to do that. So just go out and play free, 721 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: to know that it's okay. If you make a mistake, 722 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: it's okay. And that's what we're trying to do. Hey man, 723 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: go out there and play free. It's fine. So that 724 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: was my four. 725 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: It's a good four. It's a great for man. I 726 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: appreciate that. 727 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 5: Really, just sharing the stories with us, sharing your journey. 728 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 729 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: Actually, just let me brag on you a little bit. 730 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,959 Speaker 2: Research you got to do. 731 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 3: For you deserve flowers, Yes, you deserve it. 732 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 5: But then Reggie Kelly and other guys really just poor 733 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 5: and talking to about you as well. 734 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 2: So thank you for being your coach. 735 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you for having me on this. 736 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: You know. You know the thing is, you know for me, 737 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, throughout my life I do speaking circuits and 738 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: I do this and do this, and everybody says, hey man, 739 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: you need to write a book, you need to tell 740 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: your stories whatsoever. So for you to give an opportunity 741 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 1: to just not talk about football man stats and games, 742 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: to talk about who I am because I think especially 743 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: at more House, you know, people like people need to 744 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: know who he is, I says, you know, have a 745 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: conversation with me, you know. But you know, out lists 746 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: like this give people opportunity to go, Okay, I see 747 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: who he is. Now, he's real, dude, he's amazing. Know 748 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: figure that, Oh he just played professional football and he 749 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: thinks that's that's something I did. That's not who I am. 750 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 5: Well, thanks coach Man. Appreciate it man. As always, thanks 751 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 5: to our viewers and listeners out there. Wherever you pick 752 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 5: up your podcast at, whether it's iHeart Radio or Apple Podcasts, 753 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 5: give us a five star rating or review, click follow, 754 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 5: leave a couple of comments, ask me questions. We'll fill 755 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 5: it back out. Well, at least my man Thomas will 756 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 5: peanup where we supposed to check him out at NFL 757 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 5: YouTube channel. That's it, Man, Tell a friend to tell 758 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 5: a friend to do what Tell a friend. There we go, man, 759 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 5: come check us out. Man, We out here, baby, Thanks Terrence, 760 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 5: thank you, thank you man. 761 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 3: Hey, if you do the little things right, the big 762 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 3: things will follow. 763 00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: That sounds for me. 764 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 3: That sounds familiar. Yeah, And we gon leave it with 765 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 3: that on Peanut the NFL player, Second Next Podcast. That's wrong, 766 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 3: that's trans Terance. 767 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 2: Hey, check us out.