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Speaker 1: Content warning. This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics.

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Speaker 2: Like abuse and adult material.

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Speaker 1: Viewer discussion advised. Hello everyone, Well, you know when your

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Speaker 1: life completely falls apart, is it really possible to be

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Speaker 1: whole again? Will today's guest walk through abuse, trauma, and

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Speaker 1: a near death experience, and they're here to share their

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Speaker 1: miraculous story of redemption from her book Healing from Life's

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Speaker 1: Deepest Hurts. Wow, it's a good show, going to be

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Speaker 1: a good testimony. But before we get to that, joined

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Speaker 1: around the table Sapril Simons, Did I catch you? Are

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Speaker 1: you on the edge of your seat ready to hear this?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Just find think we've heard all the stories, true, you

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Speaker 3: bring one that we haven't heard.

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Speaker 4: But it's such a god ending that is so great.

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Speaker 1: It's so going to encourage people today.

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Speaker 2: Totally totally.

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Speaker 1: When I was reading their story, Cindy, I got to

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Speaker 1: the one part, I'm just like, what this could be

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Speaker 1: like a movie?

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Speaker 2: Almost, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I was reading as well, and I kept going, what

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Speaker 1: It's amazing what God can bring you through when you

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Speaker 1: think there's no way.

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Speaker 2: Rachel M.

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Speaker 1: Brown, Everybody's going, what literally.

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Speaker 2: Do you know? The phrase I would take a bullet

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Speaker 2: for you. Well, this story takes that to a.

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Speaker 3: Whole new.

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Speaker 1: All right, Rachel all over a good She's give it

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Speaker 1: a little clue, Ked Kelly Dame, you ready, I am ready?

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Speaker 1: This is It is an amazing story.

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Speaker 3: I was just like watching and reading the notes, going,

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Speaker 3: oh my word, but God is amazing.

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Speaker 2: You got to that one part and you're like what. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and Kimberly and ju Horror, welcome to the table.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. It's going to be great. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kimberly and Andrew Harr have a powerful story of God's redemption.

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Speaker 1: Kimberly endured betrayal, divorce, and domestic violence, but the Lord

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Speaker 1: rewrote her story, and together they're here to share how

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Speaker 1: God can take brokenness and turn it into beauty. Now

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Speaker 1: we've got all of you waiting to hear what happened.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, you want to sit down here the rest

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Speaker 1: of the story, but Kimberly starts with you growing up

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Speaker 1: in a Christian home.

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Speaker 2: It does love the God.

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Speaker 3: I gave my heart to Jesus at the age of

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Speaker 3: five and I never walked away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were younger than me. I was six, but Okay,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: A little.

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Speaker 5: More of a center than to God, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Longer to get me.

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Speaker 1: But he knew he needed to get me early, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. But raising a Christian home at twenty two,

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Speaker 1: get married, married a Christian man.

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Speaker 5: That's right, married a Christian man.

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Speaker 3: Went to church, was the praise and worship team, volunteer

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Speaker 1: Tithed, I mean.

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Speaker 6: We did it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were just a consummate. Good, that's our faithful

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Speaker 1: church goer. You love this kind of Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we appreciate steady people.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you get married. Tell us what happened.

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Speaker 3: I got married and it was probably about four to

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Speaker 3: five years into our marriage. We'd already had our first child,

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Speaker 3: and I discovered that my ex husband had was involved

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Speaker 3: with pornography. There was chat rooms, just kind of sexual

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Speaker 5: But as the years progress, I.

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Speaker 3: Would forgive him and he would, you know, repent. We'd

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Speaker 2: Say he was sorry.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes with these kind of addictions, you need.

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Speaker 3: You do, you really need professional help well, and.

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Speaker 2: You need to shine the light on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you need accountability absolutely. I know from being

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Speaker 2: And so there.

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Speaker 1: Really was no accountability other than I'm saying, oh, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: Well, he actually went to some counseling.

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Speaker 3: But you know, sex addiction is one of those things

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Speaker 3: You've got to be very proactive and not get laxadaisical

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Speaker 3: But because we had children, we had four children, and

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Speaker 3: I didn't get the message about God doesn't want us

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Speaker 3: in relationships where there's continual betrayal. And so we were

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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, I made the hardest decision of my life,

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Speaker 5: Got them to college so that they.

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Speaker 3: Didn't have to worry about me giving my attention to

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Speaker 3: I was done.

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Speaker 1: And so you were going to then go to go

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Speaker 3: I actually I went back to school when our youngest

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Speaker 3: people hope that were in similar situations. And so when

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Speaker 5: Night soccer practice.

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Speaker 3: I'm reading, you know, all my school books. And I

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Speaker 3: became a therapist when I.

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Speaker 5: Was forty years old.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and I'm fifty nine now, so kind of giving

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Speaker 2: About two decades. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you went through a divorce and you guys

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Speaker 1: are like, there hasn't been any type of domestic violence. No, no,

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Speaker 5: It was a friendly divorce.

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Speaker 1: It was a friendly divorce. So your single for how

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Speaker 1: many years? Four years? When you all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Lord said to.

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Speaker 3: You, he said, this is the year you're going to

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Speaker 5: I had gone to.

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Speaker 3: Our singles group of church, and that was kind of pathetic.

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Speaker 3: There just wasn't that many people there. And so I

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Speaker 2: We have to be careful with that. Oh yes, yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: And I had thirteen first dates that I decided this

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Speaker 2: Tell me about one of the bad ones.

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Speaker 3: I think the word was when I had somebody that

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Speaker 3: when they found out I was a therapist, they became

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Speaker 3: therapy sessions. I had a man that told me he said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: my therapist tells me I'm really attracted to controlling women,

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Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, and you're telling me this why? So

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Speaker 3: it was interesting, but I was ready to hang it up.

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Speaker 1: And then I saw find of did your little fifty questions?

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Speaker 1: Oh and you knew right away, like if it was

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Speaker 1: so thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and you get to number fourteen, which

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Speaker 5: To number fourteen. We went out on April.

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Speaker 2: Fool's Day, and he's interesting.

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Speaker 5: He was a maag spender.

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Speaker 3: He took me to a diner for breakfast, and so

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Speaker 5: We just connected.

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Speaker 3: One hour led to two, probably three, and I think

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Speaker 3: it was the very like I hadn't even made it

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Speaker 3: to meet him the next.

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Speaker 1: Day for dinner. So, Andrew, we want to hear your

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Speaker 1: side of the truth of the story.

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Speaker 7: That's pretty accurate, except at the diner, the tables are

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Speaker 7: people were giving us kind of looks because we'd run

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Speaker 7: through the gamut of religion, you know, school children, politics, politics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many questions did she ask you that day?

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Speaker 7: It was fifty questions for sure, and of course to

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Speaker 7: some elderly is sitting around us, we're looking at us like,

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Speaker 7: what did you think?

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Speaker 1: What did you think when she walked in? Because so

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Speaker 1: many times on the dating sites they tell me that

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Speaker 1: they don't actually look like the picture. Oh yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: so what did you think when she walked in?

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Speaker 5: You can remember you're going home with me.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm an engineer type, so I don't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice lady. She was my fourth first.

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Speaker 1: So what was it a boundary that stood out to you?

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Speaker 7: You know the online profiles for one lakes, I like water,

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Speaker 7: you know, mountains, tracers from Canada. She's a Canadian citizen,

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Speaker 7: and I just thought we had a lot of unique

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Speaker 2: You like your personality.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure she's very personable, Yeah, very funny.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we can't pull as much out of Andrew as

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Speaker 1: we can't believe. We keep working on that. Okay, she

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Speaker 1: was pretty We were waiting on that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, at.

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Speaker 7: That point, you're really not you know, what's on the inside,

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Speaker 7: it's so much less at what's on the outside.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but you got to have the outside.

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Speaker 1: I know he's taking a hole.

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Speaker 3: On our second date, I do have to say, he

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Speaker 3: told me we went we went out for dinner, and

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Speaker 3: he said, I'm wearing my skinny jeans, but I can't breathe.

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Speaker 2: That is hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So y'all started dating and you pretty much fail

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Speaker 1: for him and he fail for you, and all your

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Speaker 1: friends are like, you look really happy? We did here

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Speaker 1: glowing right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: We dated for four weeks and he told me, you

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Speaker 3: know I want to marry you. But it wasn't a question,

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Speaker 3: so I wasn't going to embarrass myself and say yes, So.

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Speaker 5: I just smiled.

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Speaker 3: But we knew, we knew we were on our way

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Speaker 3: to get married.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so take us to that night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Four weeks later, my ex husband asked me to come

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Speaker 1: Of course, you look horrific right at this point I

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Speaker 2: My goodness.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew, let's pick it up. Did he knock on

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Speaker 2: It was a knocking on the door.

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Speaker 7: I was struck ten times, goodness, with forty five caliber

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Speaker 1: And so where did he Where did those bullets slam.

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Speaker 2: I guess I.

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Speaker 5: Had in my fire fight freeze.

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Speaker 5: At this point, did you think he had passed away?

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Speaker 3: Go, but if that's where I found out he'd been

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Speaker 3: Come, don't call us. We're from here on. We're going

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Speaker 2: How many surgeries did you have?

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Speaker 2: Where's your husband? Where are you?

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Speaker 3: My husband was actually he was arrested, but as I

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Speaker 5: And then we were taken and.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was having the typical X rays, making

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Speaker 5: You don't give me what I want?

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Speaker 5: All settle for Andrew.

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Speaker 1: And I've been through so much with your with your

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Speaker 1: ex husband. Yeah, and you saw so many qualities of stagium.

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Speaker 3: I finally felt love and cherished and and so it

455
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Speaker 3: was it was really laying that down and surrendering to

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Speaker 3: the Lord, saying, Okay, God, if you don't give me

457
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Speaker 3: what I want, I'm going to probably complain and cry

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Speaker 3: a bit, but you're going to choose to trust thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's where you have to get to that point, and

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Speaker 1: you understand that. You know, you try to tell God

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Speaker 1: everything you do in the middle all this mess, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got to say, Okay, God,

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Speaker 1: I may to understand everything, but I'm going to trust

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Speaker 1: you and let him walk you through it. And quit

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Speaker 1: telling God what to do, because he's got a much

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Speaker 1: better plan than you do.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: At some point you kind of change your mind, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: and you want to talk to her, but you don't

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Speaker 1: have her phone number, and you're and you're and your

471
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Speaker 1: kids are like, no, Dad, you're not doing this well.

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Speaker 7: Thank God for Facebook.

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Speaker 2: As a plug.

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Speaker 7: Didn't mean to I was able to reach her in

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Speaker 7: that fashion.

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Speaker 2: And so what did you say? You send a message

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Speaker 2: and you said I'm alive.

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Speaker 5: How do you respond to that?

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Speaker 2: So how did you respond to it? Yippee?

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Speaker 3: I said, yippie, And then I went on to say

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I want you to know I didn't

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Speaker 3: have anything to do with this.

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Speaker 5: And and you know, tried.

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Speaker 3: To like plead and he said he was going in

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Speaker 3: for a surgery. Because I asked if I could go

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Speaker 3: see him, and he said, no, I need to go

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Speaker 3: do this.

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Speaker 5: I'll contact you later.

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Speaker 3: But he ended his message with the words take care,

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Speaker 3: And I thought, what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: You know, does that mean I wish you well?

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Speaker 1: Such an engineer? What is going on here? Walk?

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Speaker 7: I couldn't feed myself. I mean I was bad share

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Speaker 7: it for at least two weeks.

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Speaker 3: So the therapist in me, I sent him all these

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Speaker 3: pictures of us, and I'm like, you know, trying to

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Speaker 3: like stir some spark there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so you go through the surgery and you

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Speaker 1: have to wait and then you make contact.

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Speaker 2: What do you say the next time? Andrew, that's where.

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Speaker 1: A visit would be nice. Oh, yeah, a visit would

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Speaker 1: be nice, perfect, he did, But you have to come when.

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Speaker 2: The children are here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he told me, he said, come, but when my

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Speaker 3: kids aren't here, And so we are.

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Speaker 5: He's like, my son's going to be at the like

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Speaker 5: the phone store. So come from this time to this time.

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Speaker 5: So I'm fifty years old, sneaking in at the hospital

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Speaker 5: where there's love. There's a way that's right when you're determined.

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Speaker 7: Well, And I was still at John Doe because it

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Speaker 7: was a crime.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you listed, okay, So you got to the hospital

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Speaker 1: listed and you go in the room.

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Speaker 3: Open the door, and he was all mandaged up looking

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Speaker 3: pretty rough.

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Speaker 1: And I looked at.

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Speaker 3: Him and I said, Andrew, where does this leave us?

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Speaker 3: And he said, I don't know. He said, I saw

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Speaker 3: the felony accounts. He goes, I know what happened to you,

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Speaker 3: He goes, and he and You're going to be messed up.

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Speaker 3: And then he said, I know what happened to me,

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Speaker 3: and I'm really going to be messed up. And I

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Speaker 3: just couldn't bear the thought of him going any further.

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Speaker 3: And so I looked at him and I shook my

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Speaker 3: finger in his face and I said, Andrew Harp, you

526
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Speaker 3: will never meet another woman like me and know him.

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Speaker 5: He smiled, He smiled.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I even ever left that hospital room.

529
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Speaker 3: I was like getting up in his hospital bed with him,

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Speaker 3: and the doctors and nurses.

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Speaker 5: Were coming, all smiling.

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Speaker 3: And four weeks later we were engaged, and four months

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Speaker 3: later we were married.

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Speaker 5: And it's been eight years.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. And So, Andrew, one of the important points

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Speaker 1: I think with you is that you almost died and

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Speaker 1: that was a stark reality for you, and you were

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Speaker 1: like a baby Christian, but this moved you in closer

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Speaker 1: to the Lord. And can God do that like for

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Speaker 1: people have gone through that kind of trauma.

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Speaker 7: I think he can do it to anybody if you

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Speaker 7: just lean in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 7: And for me, it was more of a Damascus Road

545
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Speaker 7: kind of moment where my whole attitude changed.

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Speaker 2: Life was better.

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Speaker 7: I was kinder, as gentler, as more loving, more patient.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the difference in him after I did see?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely pulled in closer to the Lord.

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Speaker 3: And then as we continued to and he came to church.

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Speaker 5: With me because he loved the Lord.

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Speaker 3: It was just an immature Christian, but he loved me

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Speaker 3: and was the handsome feet of Jesus that I had

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Speaker 3: never experienced.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what the Sun said when she

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Speaker 1: was in the hospital bed with you and he came.

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Speaker 2: Back from the bunch door. He did come in there.

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Speaker 3: But by this time we were just smiling and grinting

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Speaker 3: from ear to ear, and yeah, I think they just

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Speaker 3: saw that their dad was happy.

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Speaker 1: And they you hadn't met them.

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Speaker 3: I had met him one time, okay, so I had

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Speaker 3: not met the other two the rest of the kids.

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Speaker 1: So when they met you, they all awkward. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: They all came in and it's like I was sitting

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Speaker 3: there and and but I think that they realized that

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Speaker 3: it wasn't melt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he just told them.

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Speaker 3: I mean three of them, two of them are engineers,

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Speaker 3: so they all kind of think alike.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and what about your kids?

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Speaker 3: My kids loved Andrew. My kids, in fact, all of

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Speaker 3: our kids get along.

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Speaker 1: All of our kids. The youngest daughter, I think you did,

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Speaker 1: the daddy daughter did, he did?

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Speaker 3: You know? It's my youngest daughter came and lived with

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Speaker 3: us for a bit during COVID, and she got married afterwards,

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Speaker 3: and when it came time for the father daughter dance,

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Speaker 3: she came and got Andrew, and it was just a

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Speaker 3: very beautiful healing moment.

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Speaker 1: Andrew.

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Speaker 3: They look at Andrew not as a stepdad, but as

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Speaker 3: their mom's husband because they're older, they're adults. But they

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Speaker 3: all genuinely love him.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's so awesome.

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Speaker 1: And you know your book Healing from Life's Deepest Hurts,

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Speaker 1: what would you say was the key to both of

589
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Speaker 1: you being healed? Because he said, initially you're going to

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Speaker 1: be messed up.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be messed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, shot ten times you've been beaten up like

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Speaker 1: this is crazy?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think, well, right away of course, I

595
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Speaker 3: tried to take control and I told his son, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is where he needs to go to therapy.

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of therapy.

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Speaker 3: And Andrew most of his healing was absolutely much more

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Speaker 3: of the physical because but it happened so quickly and

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Speaker 3: there was no relationship that it was different than the

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Speaker 3: he that I had to walk through. And so we

602
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Speaker 3: did much of our healing separately. And what helped us

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Speaker 3: was that while I was processing and as I was healing,

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Speaker 3: he would hold me. You know, it was like he

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Speaker 3: would be there. He didn't, he didn't. He was just

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Speaker 3: such a He really was a handsome feet of Jesus.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. So you need to get the book.

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Speaker 1: You go when you tell the whole story, I do,

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Speaker 1: and you tell also some of the keys for healing.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there's therapeutic tools anybody can start with in their

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Speaker 3: own journeys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, gosh, guys, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: It's so goodinating thank you for having a story. They're here,

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Speaker 1: they're alive, they're happy, eight years married.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely well, we are out of time.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to remember if you feel like

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Speaker 1: the pain is too deep or the betrayal too great.

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Speaker 2: You know, you hear their story.

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Speaker 1: You understand that God is your healer, and you are

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Speaker 1: not what happened to you. You are who God says

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Speaker 1: you are. You're loved, you're chosen, and you're never alone.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're watching today and you do feel alone,

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Speaker 1: you don't know the Lord. The most important thing you

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Speaker 1: can do is ask Jesus to come into your heart

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Speaker 1: and just say, Dear Jesus, forgive me come into my

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Speaker 1: heart today. I believe you died on the cross for me,

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Speaker 1: and I want to receive you and be Lord in

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Speaker 1: my life. And I'll tell you what that is the

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Speaker 1: most important prayer you can pray. We have prayer partners

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Speaker 1: standing by they'd love to pray with you. I would

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Speaker 1: love to send you the Book of John. Is the

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Speaker 1: Gospel of John is a great place to start in

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Speaker 1: the Word of God. Will send it to you absolutely free.

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Speaker 1: And that's because we love you or excited about the

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Speaker 1: journey you're about to embark on. And I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 1: if you pray that prayer with an open heart and sincerely,

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Speaker 1: Jesus will meet you right where you are and you

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Speaker 1: hear their story. I mean if God can bring them

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Speaker 1: through that He can bring you through anything you've gone through.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Kimberly and Andrew for joining us

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Speaker 1: But I want to thank you for watching. Those of

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Speaker 1: you that prayed that prayer. Welcome to the family of God.

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Speaker 1: You are not alone. We love you again. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for sharing. What a great story, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness? All right, what was he next time?

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Speaker 7: Bye?

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Speaker 8: Bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's a Grammy nominated artist who's impacted countless lives

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Speaker 1: through her music. Let's welcome my dear friend, Nicolesey Mullen

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Speaker 1: as she sings My Redeemer lives.

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Speaker 6: Who taught the sun.

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Speaker 9: Let us stand in the morn, and who told me,

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Speaker 9: oh shine, you can all become this far?

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Speaker 5: And who show the moon.

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Speaker 10: Word hide till the evening.

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Speaker 4: Words alone can catch a falling start.

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Speaker 1: No ma read mo, I know my red.

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Speaker 2: Leave all off.

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Speaker 11: Creation shine tested, fes this life within me cry, I know.

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Speaker 5: Marrity leave.

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Speaker 8: All.

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Speaker 5: The very same god.

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Speaker 10: That spends things in orband he.

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Speaker 11: Runs to the wey.

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Speaker 4: The world and if you are the week ham the

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Speaker 4: same gentle hand times that bold me when they hold

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Speaker 4: me in a brown they conquered death to bring me

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Speaker 4: be call breathing the world.

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Speaker 3: My gee.

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Speaker 11: Here it see U no home my reading.

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Speaker 1: He leave.

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Speaker 11: So let all creates testing f wele this lord.

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Speaker 1: Crowd out.

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Speaker 6: O my reading.

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Speaker 10: Get on y'all see.

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Speaker 11: To take or worry man myself.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you geez.

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Speaker 11: Forever we've gotta cry. Let sign the pap and for

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Speaker 11: my sin was the precious life he kay.

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Speaker 8: But now he's all and empty grol.

689
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Speaker 10: And everything.

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Speaker 11: I do know, I know that I know, I don't that,

691
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Speaker 11: I know that I know that I know that I

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Speaker 11: know that I know that I know that know that all.

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Speaker 1: Same migranty lists we call him is.

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Speaker 11: We can pre to long and the next back and

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Speaker 11: the next sec Jesus really miss.

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Speaker 6: I've talked with him the morning there it's.

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Speaker 9: Yourself Jesus. Really good, we got.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Did y'all love that.

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Speaker 11: So good?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, in oermost challenging seasons, Nicole has uh

702
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: she saw our own story reflected in Biblical heroes like

703
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Ruth and boas their faith and courage fuelled her walk

704
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: with God, inspiring her to live with fearless obedience. But

705
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Speaker 1: before we get to that and her book, It's never

706
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Speaker 1: wrong to do the right thing. Joining me on the

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Speaker 1: table is Leatricia. How are you doing?

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Speaker 6: I'm like great, I'm doing great.

709
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see my tweet.

710
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's right, that's right across from love you, Santa.

711
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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

712
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Just great?

713
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Speaker 12: And you know, my favorite Biblical woman is Abigail, So

714
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 12: I'm excited to hear about Abigail today.

715
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Out well, you know, Rachel Nicole calls Abbot Gail Ashiro

716
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: in the Bible.

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Speaker 5: I love that girls doing big things for the Kingdom

718
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 5: of God.

719
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Speaker 2: And that's our guest today.

720
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Speaker 3: She always just brings so much joy and she's got

721
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: such a big personality that fills the room.

722
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Speaker 2: I love when she's at day.

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Speaker 1: Start all right, Rebecca, how are you doing today? I'm great,

724
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Speaker 1: happy to be here.

725
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also loved hearing the mention of Boaz

726
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 3: because that's my son's name.

727
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Speaker 1: We might talk a little bit about bo today for sure,

728
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Speaker 1: and we call him both. Yes, it's such a cutie.

729
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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Cindy oh Man from the Mountains

730
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Speaker 1: of North Carolina. She has come to the day we

731
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Speaker 1: come to the city. After that song, I'm just I'm

732
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: all shook up. But you know, it's just like a

733
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Speaker 1: note that I know that, I know that, I know,

734
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Speaker 1: and I didn't want her to quit saying it. He

735
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Speaker 1: lives no matter what we're going through now. Well, you

736
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Speaker 1: know that's an important part of that song because the

737
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: crucifixion was one thing, but it would have been nothing

738
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Speaker 1: had he not Risen Risen from the Dad. It's right,

739
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Speaker 1: you know that everything.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, my friends.

741
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Speaker 1: Good to have you back.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

743
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Speaker 10: It's so wonderful to be back and to be among

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Speaker 10: all my lovely sisters.

745
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Speaker 1: When you talk about Abigail, since Anna wants to go there,

746
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: it's never wrong to do the right thing. She's your

747
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: one of your She rows in the Bible, and you

748
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: think about I love her story because when you think

749
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Speaker 1: about how she made right decisions, not knowing what her

750
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Speaker 1: future held.

751
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: But God knew what her future.

752
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: Healed absolutely, And there are people watching that your discourage.

753
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: You're right in the middle of something and something's happened.

754
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Speaker 1: You don't know what you're gonna do or you're gonna

755
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: go what's gonna end? And the Lord is saying, I

756
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: need you to trust me right now. I need you

757
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Speaker 1: to have faith and believe that I'm with you and

758
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to leave you. I'm not going to

759
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Speaker 1: forsake you, and I'm going to see you through this.

760
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Speaker 1: And that's what happened with Ruth.

761
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Speaker 3: Right.

762
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Speaker 2: She had no idea what was ahead of her.

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Speaker 10: So tell us, ruthil tell us a Sheiro story about Ruth.

764
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Speaker 6: Okay, Ruth, Okay, So Ruth, Oh, I'm sorry, it's so

765
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Speaker 6: good because we're female, we'll get.

766
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: But Abigail, you know, she was like the Bible says,

768
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Speaker 10: she was intelligent, she's beautiful, and all these things.

769
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Speaker 6: She had it going on. She's a Sheiro and she.

770
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Speaker 2: Was married to somebody that had money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was very.

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Speaker 10: Wealthy, but he was not wealthy in character right or

773
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Speaker 10: in integrity. And she had a decision to make either

774
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Speaker 10: she could side with her husband who was doing the

775
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 10: wrong thing, or she could side with the truth.

776
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Speaker 6: And the right thing to do.

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Speaker 10: And so in the midst of you know him, you know,

778
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Speaker 10: pretty much disrespecting David, who would be a future king

779
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Speaker 10: and being stingy with the resources that he had, it

780
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Speaker 10: was going to bring death to her household. And she

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Speaker 10: could have sat by and just said, well, it's not

782
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Speaker 10: my fault.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And David had actually helped Nabel, I mean absolutely

785
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Speaker 1: in his field, abs his land, and he protected it.

786
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: Yes, so all he's asking for.

787
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Speaker 6: His food, Yes, give me some done, give me some chicken,

788
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Speaker 6: give me some lamp.

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Speaker 2: And so when her husband responded.

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Speaker 10: Like no, no, and and he actually responded to Joie like,

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Speaker 10: who was this David, Like it was exactly, we got

792
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Speaker 10: a lot of slaves running free these days. Now, David

793
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 10: had already killed not only the lion in the bear,

794
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Speaker 10: he had already killed Goliath. So everybody in the nation

795
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Speaker 10: knew who he was. So this was a grave insult.

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Speaker 10: And when they went back and told David, David was like,

797
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Speaker 10: oh for real, He told this man, strap on your swords,

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Speaker 10: here we go. Yeah, So they were you know, he

799
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Speaker 10: said take out every male that against the wall.

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Speaker 6: So he was like, we're going to take him out.

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Speaker 10: And so when Abigail heard this, because she wasn't around

802
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 10: when her husband gave the rebuttal, she wasn't there to hear.

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Speaker 10: But when one of the servants came to her and

804
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 10: they said, you know what your.

805
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Husband just said to David again?

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Speaker 6: You know something else now?

807
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, So she's like and they were like, even the

808
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 10: servants said, you know, he's always pretty much always doing

809
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 10: stuff like this, like we know him as you know,

810
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 10: to be able to utter that type of a phrase

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Speaker 10: to the wife and her not say how dare you

812
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 10: talk about my husb?

813
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Speaker 3: And like this?

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 10: She knew it was true, and so but she went.

815
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 10: She decided I'm going to run interference. She made the

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00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 10: situation right, She took the resources, and she presented them

817
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Speaker 10: today a lot of great food.

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Speaker 2: She sure did. She told the just pile it up

819
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Speaker 2: and we're going to meet him first.

820
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Speaker 6: She said, you go ahead of me.

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Speaker 10: And so when they went ahead of her, she probably

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Speaker 10: wouldn't have got herself together. She's probably like, you know,

823
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Speaker 10: I can't go looking just any old howdaway a femail?

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Speaker 10: All right? So you know, probably just like when you know,

825
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Speaker 10: I know, I'm skipping stories. What Naomi told Ruth, She

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Speaker 10: told her, you know, wash, put on some perfume, put

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Speaker 10: on your best clothes, then you go. So Abigail probably

828
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 10: washed really quickly, you know.

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Speaker 6: What I'm saying, put on some perfume and just put

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Speaker 6: on something cute.

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Speaker 10: And she's like, because I have to go and appeal

832
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Speaker 10: for our lives. And so she ran interference and she

833
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 10: she prostrated herself before David and was like, I didn't know, Like,

834
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Speaker 10: I'm so sorry. I know your honor has been bruised.

835
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Speaker 10: I know he has unjustly responded to the justice you've.

836
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 6: Given him, but I didn't know.

837
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Speaker 10: And so receive this as as my token of we're

838
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Speaker 10: sorry and we want to make him in.

839
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Speaker 2: Here's some figs right here. Yeah, exactly.

840
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Speaker 10: But her she acted quickly, and she acted courageously. And

841
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 10: at the same time, she could have just set up

842
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 10: Nabel and said, hey, you know what's he's been doing

843
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 10: stupid stuff anyway? Can you just take him out and

844
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Speaker 10: you and I will split the you know, the assets

845
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Speaker 10: that are left.

846
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: But she didn't.

847
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 10: She left it to God to decide to get or

848
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Speaker 10: quit him. You know, and she did the right thing

849
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 10: in the midst of it, with the right heart. And

850
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 10: then the Bible says she went back home, and when

851
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 10: she got back home, Nabel was high in spirits. He

852
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 10: was partying like a king, and so she was like,

853
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 10: he a little on drunk side. It's not the right

854
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 10: time to talk to him. So I was noting, Okay,

855
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 10: it's not always the right.

856
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: Time, you know.

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00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 10: Sometimes we are to act quickly and sometimes we are

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00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 10: to wait and act wisely. And so she knew that

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 10: until the next morning. The Bible says, when he had

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00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 10: sobered up, Abigail told her husband Abel what it happened

861
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Speaker 10: and what she had done to run interference and to

862
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 10: save their house household, and the Bible says that his

863
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 10: heart failed him and turned to stone.

864
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Speaker 2: So he got so mad.

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Speaker 10: Either he had heart attack, yes, you know, and and

866
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 10: you passed away, or it was so hardened.

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Speaker 6: Either way, the lord got vented.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't David's hand. It wasn't it wasn't Abigail's hand.

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Speaker 2: And David would thank Abigail later.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's like, you know, I was really making a

872
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: hasty decision.

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00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't a wise decision. Yes, and you're the one

874
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: who stopped you kept.

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Speaker 1: Me from doing that.

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Speaker 12: And I love what Abigail said to him. She said,

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Speaker 12: your soul is bundled with the lords.

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Speaker 6: Do not prophesied to that man.

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00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did not unbund No, love it.

880
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: And then after that, yes, yeah, sometimes David said, oh, yeah,

881
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Speaker 1: I think I'll tell her as my wife.

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00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 6: Yes, he remembered her.

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00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 10: And and so I mean so interesting too, because when

884
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 10: David sent the servants to propose, he didn't go himself.

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00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 10: I guess he was shy, but the servants went and said, hey,

886
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 10: even wants to take you as his wife. The Bible

887
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 10: says she felt down again. She was like, okay, I'm

888
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 10: ready to serve even my master's servants.

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00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 6: This is a wealthy woman.

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Speaker 10: She had her own servant, she had her girls that

891
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 10: came with her, so she was very wealthy. But she

892
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 10: decided that even in this right here, I'm willing to

893
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 10: humble myself again. And so that posture is also a

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00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 10: blueprint for us, even in the midst of us having

895
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 10: to take courage, having to do the hard thing, having

896
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 10: to respond in ways that sometimes are not popular.

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00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so we have to about Ruth.

898
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, I love Ruth. Oh. Yes, Ruth had

899
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: a very difficult thing that she went through. Her husband

900
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: died absolutely, and she's there, yeah, and she's going all

901
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden to a strange land.

902
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 10: And she made the decision to go with her mother,

903
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 10: her mother in law, Naomi, who was a little grumpy

904
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 10: at the time.

905
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because she's like to like no, and everybody

906
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: uses that scripture when you go, I'll go.

907
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 6: You say, people be my people and your God will.

908
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Be my God. Yeah, so tell everybody what happened with Ruth.

909
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 10: But I love it because Ruth decided that I'm going

910
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 10: to get up from where I'm comfortable, where I have

911
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 10: already resided, and because I've heard she must have heard

912
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 10: the stories of Bethlehem, the House of Bread, whether it's

913
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 10: from her husband or whether it's from her mother in law.

914
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: She had heard of this land, and she just heard

915
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: about the God of Israel.

916
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 6: So she's like, that's where I want to reside.

917
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 10: And so she takes the risk of leaving everything she's known,

918
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 10: leaving everything behind, her gods, her people, everything, and she

919
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 10: goes with Naomi to a place where she's not familiar.

920
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 10: She doesn't know if I'm going to fit in and

921
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 10: will I fit in?

922
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 6: Will they like me?

923
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 10: But when they get there, now Naomi has a lot

924
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 10: of land. She has what her husband had had before

925
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 10: they had left from Bethlehem to go to Moab, but

926
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 10: they didn't have any crops. They had nothing to eat.

927
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 10: And so Ruth decided, I'm willing to go out into

928
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 10: the field. I don't know where I'm going to land, and.

929
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: I will work. I won't work.

930
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 10: I'm not working necessarily even for pay, but I'm working

931
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 10: for food that will be our pay. And so she

932
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 10: stumbles out into this particular field and she doesn't know

933
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 10: the you know, who is who?

934
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: She doesn't know family members or anything. She's like, we

935
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 6: just need to eat.

936
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 10: And as it would have it, the Lord led her

937
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 10: without her even knowing that she was being led by

938
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 10: the Lord because her heart was right, because she had

939
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 10: chosen to do the right thing, and so he allowed

940
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 10: her to enter into a field where a man named.

941
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Bo As.

942
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 10: He owned the field, and ironically Boas is the son

943
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 10: of Rayhab, who had once been a.

944
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: Prostitute's who God used to you know.

945
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 10: Absolutely? And then God redeemed her through a man named salmon.

946
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 10: So now you got Salmon and Rahab residing in Bethlehem.

947
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: That's another whole story.

948
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 10: You got to go ready, and then there they are,

949
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 10: and before you know it, boas is he's putting on,

950
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 10: like I said earlier, the costume of the Ultimate Redeemer.

951
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: I love it because he goes ahead of her and says,

952
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: now he tells everybody because she's just picking up the leftovers,

953
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, drop.

954
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: More from her.

955
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: I love it.

956
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: We don't review her, and she's like taking all this

957
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: O yea.

958
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: They always like where did you get all this? Like, yeah,

959
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: this is what happened. And then of course the story

960
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: of how they kept their relationship pure. Yes, I love it.

961
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: And of course they ended up getting married.

962
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 10: They did, and he fell in love with her, he did,

963
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 10: and and I see all the time, like, okay, he

964
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 10: married her because he was keeping uh, he was doing

965
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 10: what was in the law that he could do. You know,

966
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 10: as far as a family member redeeming somebody in your family,

967
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 10: that's you know, having a hard time. But to fall

968
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 10: in love wasn't against the law, and Bible says when

969
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 10: he made love to her, she conceived it. Didn't just

970
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 10: say he knew her, as it uses in a lot

971
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 10: of other instances. Then she was able to conceive, and

972
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 10: we know from that conception God gave them a little

973
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 10: boy named Ovid, and then from Ovid we have Jesse,

974
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 10: and then from.

975
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Then Jesse we have David.

976
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 10: And through the line of David we wind up seeing

977
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 10: Mary and Joseph, and then we have Jesus.

978
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 6: Such christ, ultimate rider Lord and what a lineage.

979
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 10: But he came from all these broken people and all

980
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 10: these broken stories.

981
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 6: To show us that we this is how we fit in.

982
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 10: He didn't look for all the perfect people because they

983
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 10: didn't exist. So he only has messed up people in

984
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 10: his family because he came for messed up.

985
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: People, and they some of them would end up in

986
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: the Hall of Faith. Yes, yes, and you know it's

987
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: amazing to think about that. Talk a little bit about

988
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, you grew up in a Christian home, you

989
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: were saved, filled with the spirit, went to Bible school,

990
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: and thought you met a godly like apostle. Paul, Yeah,

991
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: tell us what happened?

992
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, like you said, I did grow up in

993
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 10: a Christian home.

994
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 6: Everything was good.

995
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 10: Growing up, Mom and dad loved Jesus, found myself in

996
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 10: an abusive relationship for three years, and he would he

997
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 10: would ask this question that he would answer over and over.

998
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 10: He'd ask me often, Nicole, what is your purpose in life?

999
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 10: And then he'd answer, that's your problem. You have no

1000
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 10: purpose in life. And I guess I had uttered at

1001
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 10: least once that I wanted to sing, and he would

1002
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 10: give me the rebuttal of you know, well, contemporary Christian

1003
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 10: artist is not in the Bible.

1004
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: You have no purpose.

1005
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 10: So it taught me to hold on to what I thought,

1006
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 10: not to reveal what I felt like God was calling

1007
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 10: me to do. Even though at the age of twelve

1008
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 10: it had been prophesied over me. God had had my

1009
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 10: dad lay hands on me that the Lord would use

1010
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 10: me in music, take me around the world.

1011
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: So he was telling you that God, that God wasn't

1012
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: going to use exactly the enemy.

1013
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: It would be so like negative I mean towards his wife,

1014
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: because your partners supposed to be the person that's championing you.

1015
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: So she needed to do like be honestly, you even

1016
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 6: can think that you could.

1017
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Do your When was the first, like after you got married,

1018
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: when was the first time that he actually was abusive

1019
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: towards you and did you think, Okay, this is just

1020
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: going to be a one time thing that it would continue.

1021
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 10: Well, he actually hit me before we got married one

1022
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 10: time and he had this hand around my neck to

1023
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 10: and I thought, well, he said he was sorry.

1024
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 6: I'm going to forgive him.

1025
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 10: And in our faith culture, we were taught to believe

1026
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 10: back then that to forgive is just to completely forget.

1027
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: But your mom actually had Oh mom was like, no,

1028
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: this is not God.

1029
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: She had some red flag absolutely, and You're like, but no,

1030
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: I believe this is God. So when she's grown and

1031
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't, Yeah, when you got married? How soon did

1032
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: the abuse start after you got married?

1033
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 8: Ooh?

1034
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 10: Honestly, I'd say probably mentally on the honeymoon. Yeah, physically,

1035
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 10: probably within a month or two, I would guess, if

1036
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 10: I'm my recollection serves me right. But on the honeymoon

1037
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 10: it was he was pretty cruel, honestly to where you know,

1038
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 10: here I was, I had kept myself and I wasn't

1039
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 10: used to certain things, and I'm like, okay, can you

1040
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 10: be gentle? Can you? And he was, you know, just

1041
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 10: maybe we got to just get in an moment and

1042
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 10: I felt like I just you know, and it was

1043
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 10: that behavior turned into more physical abuse.

1044
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: So at what point, because you stayed for three years,

1045
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: three years, at what point did you were like you knew?

1046
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say, if anybody's watching

1047
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: and you're in abusive marriage where there's you know, mental

1048
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: and physical abuse going on, number one, tell someone get

1049
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: some help and possibly leave and get out of this situation.

1050
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: Don't stay there.

1051
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: That finally happened with you, and you told me the story.

1052
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I've told this story so many times.

1053
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 10: Him pulling water on my hair. You know, a black girl,

1054
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 10: you don't pull water on my hair, do you. If

1055
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 10: we don't ask, what don't, I'm like, ah, so he

1056
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 10: it was one of those things, honestly, but I think

1057
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 10: the Lord used that for me to see how ridiculous

1058
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 10: the situation.

1059
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: So he started arguing with you, yep, and just took a.

1060
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 10: Glass of water, through it, through it on you, and

1061
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 10: he went and filled it back up again, and he said,

1062
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 10: through it again.

1063
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 6: And I was just sitting there, thinking, this is it,

1064
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 6: this is the last straw.

1065
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 10: It was that little, simple, crazy thing that really woke

1066
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 10: me up to say you really have it really yeah?

1067
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 10: And I was like twenty four around the time, but

1068
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 10: I was like it's time.

1069
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: So you didn't say anything. You were smart. You waited

1070
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: for him.

1071
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 6: It was my Abigail moment to get in the shower.

1072
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget what you told me. You waited

1073
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: to hear what.

1074
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 10: Yes. Then, now there's a difference in sound, because initially,

1075
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 10: when he had the water running, he was still yelling

1076
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 10: at me, and I remember I was getting my stuff

1077
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 10: together as he was saying. I was like, okay, okay,

1078
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 10: and I was just trying to be quiet, and I

1079
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 10: thought he had gotten into the shower. And then before

1080
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 10: I knew it, I turned around and he appeared in

1081
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 10: the hallway and I was like, oh no, and the

1082
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 10: water was still running, and I acted as if I

1083
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 10: wasn't going to.

1084
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 6: Get my purse.

1085
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 10: I didn't want him to think I was going to leave.

1086
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 10: And then before I knew it, he got into the shower.

1087
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 10: And I noticed then that there was a difference in

1088
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 10: the sound of the water hitting flesh and hitting the porcelain,

1089
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 10: like it was just I heard the difference, and I

1090
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 10: was like, oh, okay, now he's in the shower, and

1091
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 10: I got myself this is my moment, and with trembling legs,

1092
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 10: I ran with trembling legs.

1093
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: And scrap your purse.

1094
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: My purse, yep, what else did you grab? I know.

1095
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 10: My shoes, just more than likely a jacket because it

1096
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 10: would have been cold around the time. And I got

1097
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 10: into my car, went down the two flights of stairs.

1098
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 10: My knees were shaking, and I went just a couple

1099
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 10: of miles from our apartment complex, and I pulled him backwards,

1100
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 10: and I was like, okay, Lord like in every thirty minutes,

1101
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 10: I turned my car on to let it warm up,

1102
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 10: and then I turned it off to conserve gas and

1103
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 10: turned it.

1104
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 6: Back on, and I told the Lord.

1105
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 10: I was like lord like in our faith culture because

1106
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 10: I didn't know the heart of God yet, y'all you.

1107
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying. I knew his ways, I mean

1108
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 6: I didn't know all his ways.

1109
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 10: I knew the word, but I didn't know how it

1110
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 10: really applied to me in that type of a situation.

1111
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 10: I knew him on the mountaintop, but I didn't know

1112
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 10: how he would react in my valley. So now I'm

1113
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 10: having to learn, like, who are you?

1114
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Speaker 1: Not?

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Speaker 6: Who the saints say that you are?

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Speaker 10: So in my valley, I saw his kindness, his graciousness,

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Speaker 10: his goodness his protection. And when I thought he would

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Speaker 10: be mad at me, he was like, without even uttering

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Speaker 10: the words, I heard it in my.

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Speaker 5: Heart, like I love you, I got you.

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Speaker 6: And he showed me that.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't want you to stay in that situation. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all, not at all, because you kept thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: this is the right thing to do, this is what

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Speaker 1: you know. Okay, So you like slept in your car

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Speaker 1: that night I showed it, and then you knew that

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Speaker 1: he would be out looking for you. So you were

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Speaker 1: trying to find places to go.

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Speaker 10: Yes, And I slept on people's couches and mattresses on

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Speaker 10: the floor and hiding from here to there. And then

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Speaker 10: eventually I'd sign a small record deal at the end

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Speaker 10: of that time, and I wind up in Nashville, where

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Speaker 10: I currently reside. And uh, before I knew it, he

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Speaker 10: was trying to find me there, and I was always

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Speaker 10: looking over my shoulder, and I knew it. It took

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Speaker 10: a little bit of a while for me to finally

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Speaker 10: get to a place where I was at peace. But

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Speaker 10: take you, honestly, at least a couple of years. I'm

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Speaker 10: not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: It was just he finally stopped.

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Speaker 10: I knew well, yeah, he did finally stop, but I

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Speaker 10: knew that once he had found someone else, then he

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Speaker 10: would transfer that passion somewhere else.

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Speaker 6: So I was like, okay, Lord, please, you know.

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Speaker 10: And then eventually, but like the Lord kept me, I

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Speaker 10: wind up going on tour with Amy Grant around that time,

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Speaker 10: which was the best time alongside the worst of times,

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Speaker 10: you know, And it's amazing how God can do that.

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Speaker 6: But he never did.

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Speaker 10: He wasn't able to catch up with me, even though

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Speaker 10: I learned in highsight hindsight that he was in close

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Speaker 10: vicinity to where I was several times, and I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I know, he showed up at several of the concertship

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Speaker 1: but they didn't tell you. They kept him away from you,

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00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: the one here in Dallas you wanted to come. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But God was faithful through all of that, and he

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Speaker 1: lets you know, Nicole, you haven't done anything wrong because

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Speaker 1: you were like at times, like blaming yourself if I've

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Speaker 1: done this or that, and as Christians we do that

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00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times. But He was totally responsible for

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00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: that behavior, actually did.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I said even earlier.

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Speaker 10: Sometimes I feel like Joe Bettett and all of us

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Speaker 10: can sometimes we feel that that way.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like jo.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: It's like it's a job in the in the Bible,

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Speaker 6: it wasn't that he was without fault.

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Speaker 2: He had faults.

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Speaker 6: We all have faults.

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Speaker 10: But that's not the same as being to blame. He

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Speaker 10: was blameless, and still God allowed him to suffer. God

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Speaker 10: didn't say, because you're blameless, you won't have to go

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Speaker 10: through anything.

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Speaker 6: So God allowed him.

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Speaker 2: To Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 10: And how many times I wonder we don't know this

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Speaker 10: because we can't see behind the veil. How many times

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00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 10: has God, maybe if said to the enemy, have you

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 10: considered my servant Joanie, there's no like her. Have you

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00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 10: considered my serf Rachel?

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Speaker 6: We don't know.

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00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 10: He bade at the enemy, and the enemy took him

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Speaker 10: up on it. Because God knew that even in the

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Speaker 10: midst of it, Job would still serve him, Job would

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Speaker 10: still love him, And even though Job would have some

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Speaker 10: crooked sayings and he would be mad at God for

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Speaker 10: a second, he was going to come out on the

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Speaker 10: other side because God was going to make sure.

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Speaker 6: And then God he restored him.

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Speaker 10: So in the middle of Job's night season is where

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Speaker 10: Joe began to declare, I.

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Speaker 1: Know my redeemer lives.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the one who's going to buy back my pain

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Speaker 6: and my shame and my heartaches.

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Speaker 10: And after I read that one day, I thought, Hey,

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Speaker 10: if Job can do that in the midst of his season,

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Speaker 10: not at the end, but in the middle of it, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: then how much more can I You know, a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of theologists believe it's about nine months wow that

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Speaker 1: Joe went through that. Okay, But the thing about it,

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Speaker 1: after that nine month period, God restored everything that God

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Speaker 1: knew that because God can see.

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Speaker 2: Being your past, present, and future.

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Speaker 1: Simultaneously, such a great story is.

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Speaker 2: And well, we are out of time.

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Speaker 1: But remember you can walk in confidence today knowing that

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Speaker 1: God's word never changes. He is faithful to fulfill his

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Speaker 1: good plans for your life. And all he ask is

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Speaker 1: for your surrender, surrendered heart to say, Okay, God, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to do it your way. And if you're watching

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Speaker 1: today and you need prayer, call that number on the screen.

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00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: And if you haven't invited Jesus into your heart, do

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00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: that today. Just say Jesus, I need you come into

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Speaker 1: my heart forgive me and he will meet you right

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Speaker 1: where you are. Again, that prayer line numbers on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We would love to pray with you today as well.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Nicole for joining us today

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Speaker 1: at the table. Be sure to pick up a copy

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Speaker 1: of her book It's Never Wrong to Do the Right Thing,

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Speaker 1: and for more information, you can visit her online at

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Speaker 1: nicolecmullen dot com. Again, if you're in a situation this's dark,

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Speaker 1: we're just encouraging you today to go talk to someone,

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00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: get some help. God doesn't want you to stay in

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Speaker 1: that kind of situation, okay, He loves you as always.

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Speaker 1: Of course, make sure to follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to her YouTube channel for many full episodes exclusive content.

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Speaker 1: Let us know our Table Talk is touching your life.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also

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Speaker 1: listen to the Jony Table Talk podcast, available now on

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Speaker 1: all the major platforms. So we couldn't leave the show

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Speaker 1: today without letting Nicole sing one more song. I think

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Speaker 1: she's getting ready for that right now. Please welcome from

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Speaker 1: back to the stage as she sings freedom.

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Speaker 6: Readie that freedom, good kind of freedom can never.

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Speaker 1: Be taken away.

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Speaker 10: A little bit of a history lesson first friend.

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Speaker 9: I ain't got no halo, no halo, no wings to

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00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 9: fly away, no wings to fly away.

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Speaker 1: I've got to labor.

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Speaker 6: Four men and many day. I'm on a journey.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a journey.

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Speaker 6: I'm a looking far play. I'm looking for play to

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Speaker 6: rest my.

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Speaker 4: Bird bird, far from this terrannade.

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Speaker 9: Who from the Charles Africa to the noise of America

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Speaker 9: with voices still have bring for a new Bernie.

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Speaker 1: We cray freedom, frea you try freedom, Oh we craf

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Speaker 1: Fredo

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Speaker 6: Say hey, we cry Frieda from