1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and you're listening to stuff I've 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: never told you. M M. For this classic episode, I 3 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: have invited my good friends Samantha, who you've been hearing from, 4 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: because that we're we're talking about beer and you, Samantha 5 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: have some experience in this field. I do. I have 6 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: the privilege of working with one of the Atlanta independent 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: breweries called Orpheus UM, and it's really been interesting to 8 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: see the ends and outs of what brewing culture is, 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: as well as the science behind it and the different 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: like opportunities and in depth making. Yeah, and in a 11 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: funny story, you and I kind of cross past a 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: couple of times in our lives before we really get 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: to know each other. But one one time it was 14 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Science Festival, and they are always like publicity 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: photo taken of us before we even met, and it 16 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: was Caroline with unladylike she's the ones like, hey, you 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: guys know each other. I'm like this person. But did 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: little did I know that we would be best friends now? 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: And then you set up UM for the other show. 20 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: I do savor a video for for us to come 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: and shoot at Orpheus kind of helped the arrange that 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: I did because I was like, oh, you want to 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: know about beer, you want to especially sour beers. I 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: think you were talking specifically about sour beers. If you 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: know or anyone knows about Orpheus Brewing in Atlanta, that 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: is kind of their niche They started out with being 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: one of the first Atlanta breweries to offer sour beers 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: as an option as well as like barrel h beers, 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: and and they've been doing this for about four little 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: almost five years now. And the chemist in there as 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: well as the brewer like after talking with them, finding 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: out the intense level that they have to do between 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: like formulating and all the yeast and all of the cultivation, 34 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. And then you were like, 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: we want to do this. I'm like, well, I have 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: the perfect people to introduce you to. Yes, and you 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: can find that video online. Should you Should you want 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: to listeners? I do want to say because this kind 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: of just happened, and I'm a big nerd. An Avengers 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: trailer came out yesterday and there was a Creature Comforts 41 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: beer in it. Creature Comforts Athens, Georgia one of the best. 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: I think. Actually, yeah, we just went to a venue 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: and I where they talked about creature comforts beer and 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: kind of pairing beer and wine. That was really cool too. 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: That was cool. Oh yeah, I love I think that's 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: been one of the best things about being a part 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: of this culture. Just kind of like at anything coffee, wine, beer, 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: it has its own like social entity and being a 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: part of that and to watch and learn more about 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: the ins and owls and the minute details of beers 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: and you know, becoming a beer stop myself. Now I 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: know all about beers, that's not true, but it is 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: really really fascinating. And being able to see also women 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: who are not often seen in the scene, and I 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: know that's one of the things that is talked about 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: in this episode, um as well as the fact that 57 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: women are begging to be seen, because there are more 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: and more coming out about the fact that women were 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: the original brewers. That was part of their duties and 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it became like a hobby and 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: a specialty thing and of course overtaken again by the 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: men and they really make money off right, right, and 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: so all of that to come back to, Hey, this 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: is something that is a fascinating thing and it should 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: be on all gender levels. It shouldn't have to be 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: this or that, and one should not profit over that, 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: but it can be a definitely ugly scene. And even 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: though I love the brewery that I work with and 69 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: the people are amazing, I see a very lack of women. 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Like it's odd how many few women are involved. Um, 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: and that shouldn't be the case. But I mean, we 72 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: have a brewery brewery here second self that has main brewer, 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: a woman brewer, and chiefs phenomenal and has done some 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: great beers. And I know all around the country more 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and more all female breweries have been happening, which is 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: freaking awesome. Hello, because women can be experts in beer 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: as well. Oh absolutely. And one thing I find very 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: ridiculous and odd, and I know that it's been touched 79 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: on before, but I want to come back to it 80 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: is the gendering of drinks. It's just so strange to me. 81 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. Welcome 82 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: to Stuff Mob Never Told You from how stupp Works 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristin 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline. And Caroline first question of the podcast 85 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: for you, favorite craft beer? Oh gosh, oh goodness. I 86 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: know I'm putting you on the spot. You are, even 87 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: though I knew we were talking about this, I'm still 88 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: on the spot. I really like anything out of Bells. 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm a big I've talked about Michigan on the podcast before. 90 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: I have a fondness for Michigan. Any anything out of Michigan, 91 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: including Bell's beer, Caroline, I'm going to pull a copycat 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: Bells too harded, can't go wrong. Yeah, although it'll um 93 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: it gets you drunk, that's for sure. It is a 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: higher gravity beer and it has I have gotten the 95 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: oopsie bells. Yeah, no, I I had too many of 96 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: those on my first date with my boyfriend. And hey, 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: but it worked up. It worked out, totally worked out. Yeah, 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: right now, I'm all about some Bells and also for 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: a little Atlanta hometown love. Monday Night Brewing has something 100 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: called a food Man Brew, which is a wheat beer 101 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: with a bit of ginger infuse into it, which might 102 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: sound kind of strange, but ladies and gentlemen, yeah, we 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: also have red Brick here in Atlanta and Sweetwater, all 104 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff. I don't drink that stuff. I don't 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: really dream on time. I'm talking about Monday night. Well, 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: I listen, like to eat drunk your bells, I'll dream 107 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: one Monday night. Yeah, but I feel like you and 108 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: I even having this conversation, having opinions on craft beer 109 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: is like busting stereotypes. Well, that's what we're here to do, Caroline, 110 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: is bust some stereotypes, especially stereotypes about beer. And for 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: followers of stuff, Mom never told you. This is probably 112 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna be some repeat info because we have talked before 113 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: about how women were the original beer brewers or brewsters. 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: I love that word. I had no idea that the 115 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: word brewster existed for women brewers. Yeah, I love that. 116 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: And then of course I just think about Punky Brewster, 117 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: and then I started thinking about like, do I know 118 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: anyone with the surname Brewster? No, but then the brewer, 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: and then I think about the Milwaukee brewers, and then 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: I just like, go have a beer. Yeah, but it okay. 121 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: So in a lot of ancient societies, women were the 122 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: ones entrusted with the beer making, and and it was 123 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: it went beyond that. It wasn't just that women were 124 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the ones who had to do it. It was like 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: men actively were not trusted to handle the beer. Yeah, 126 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: because it was it was that important for these ancient societies. 127 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: And there's this cultural anthropologist named Alan D. Eames and 128 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: he's dubbed the Indiana Jones of Beer. I want to 129 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: hang out with him. Yeah, that's a great title. And 130 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: he was talking to mcclean's magazine a few years ago 131 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: about how pretty much every ancient society's beer creation myth 132 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: starts with a beer goddess. Essentially. Yeah, Egypt had Hathor, 133 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: which she sounds like exactly the type of lady I 134 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: want to hang out with. She was called the Goddess 135 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: of drunkenness, the inventress of brewing, the mistress of intoxication, 136 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: and her temple was referred to as the place of drunkenness. 137 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: So she had the party palace. She's like the goddess 138 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: of the fraternity system. I feel like, ye, Hathor knows 139 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: how to have a good time. But I wonder though, 140 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: if Hathor ever had parties over at the palace of 141 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Sumerian goddess series who was the one who watched over 142 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: the daily brewing rituals? And then so Hathorn series got 143 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: together and went over to hang out with Roman goddess 144 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: series she's the harvest goddess. And so the name for 145 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: beer over there was Sarah Vizia from series is name. 146 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: And we should say that Roman Goddess series series with 147 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: the c Sumerian got Us series is series was an 148 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: s So it might have gotten a little confusing, especially 149 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: once all the goddess has had a couple of drinks. 150 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Which series they were talking about, But I'm sure they 151 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: probably came up with like fun nicknames. So and that's 152 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: how they kind of worked around that. Um, and now 153 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: I really want to go to this fictional goddess beer party. Yeah. 154 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: But the ancient Finns also had their own lady beer lore. 155 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: They believed that three women originally created ale for a 156 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: wedding feast by mixing wait for it, beer saliva with 157 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: wild honey and then blending it into beer. So like 158 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: like wild bears, like or polar bears, any bear, I'm 159 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna say, Finnish bears. Finished bear, finished bears. I wonder 160 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: they're probably blondes. Um. In medieval England we have the brewsters, 161 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: as we said, who oversaw household ale production. A significant 162 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: number of these women tended to be widows or single 163 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: before the Black Plague and then that kind of change 164 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: demographics just a little bit. But you know, talking about 165 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: household ale production, everybody was drinking this stuff, from moms 166 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: to kids, to dad's to whoever. Yeah, because milk at 167 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: the time would have been used mostly for cheese and butter. 168 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: Wine too expensive for the commoners to drink, and water 169 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: was not potable the Middle Ages. Sounds so fun. Yeah, so, 170 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: and it was not only considered hydration but also a 171 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: nutritious meal. Yeah, you could have a little beer snack. Yeah, 172 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: I wish we had a beer snack right now. But yeah, 173 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: for a lot of the women who were in the 174 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the brewsters, a lot of the women 175 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: who were in this trade, it did offer them a 176 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: little bit more pay and prestige because if you think 177 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: about the occupations that were available to women in the 178 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Middle Ages in England, it probably wouldn't that great, not 179 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: too many. Um, but there could be wrinkles that would 180 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: pop up every now and then if you were a brewster, 181 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: because it could happen that you might cook up a 182 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: batch of not so good beer. And in instances where 183 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: if people ever got sick from beer, they drink spoiled beer. 184 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: It was attributed to witchy brewsters. They were actually called 185 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: beer witches. That's my new insult, you witchy. Well, probably 186 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: more of a term of endearment, honestly, you witchy brucey, 187 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: witchy brewster. And just driving home to how common it 188 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: was for everyone, and we mean everyone, to drink beer 189 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: and ale throughout the throughout the day, just at any 190 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: old time. There was something called groaning ale that pregnant 191 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: women would drink to help with any kind of pregnancy pains, 192 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: labor pains. And there was also a special bridal ale 193 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: that would often be featured at weddings. Yeah, and speaking 194 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: of which our modern word for bride had no idea about. 195 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: This comes from the Germanic root brew, meaning to brew 196 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: b ru Huh. The more you know, the more you know. 197 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: But I do wonder about pregnant women drinking ale. I 198 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: am a little concerned for our ancestors. But we're here now, 199 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: you know things. It was a different time back in 200 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. Sure, and I'm sure it was not 201 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: high gravity. I'm sure they were not drinking They're groaning 202 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: ale was not too hearted. Yeah, yeah, it was, let's 203 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: hope not. But I mean, if you think about the 204 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: technology and advancements of the time it was that was 205 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: pretty slow and maybe in part due to all that 206 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: groaning gale um. But it's funny though, if you look 207 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: at beer in colonial America, same kind of thing going on, 208 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: where it's still commonly made, usually by women in the household. 209 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: And even though you know, the US was very puritanical 210 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: at this time, ale and beer were commonly drunk. And 211 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: this is coming from an article in The Atlantic talking 212 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: about how women were the family brewers and they would 213 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: make rich beers from corn, pumpkin, artichoke, oats, wheat, honey, 214 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: and molasses. Interesting artichoke beer, Yeah, I don't, I don't know. 215 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Well, if somebody out there 216 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: makes it, I'll try it. Definitely sounds very earthy, earthy beer. 217 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: This beer has artichoke undertones. But this will sound familiar 218 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: to listeners who listen to our coffee episode, the coffee 219 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: culture episode. When beer brewing move out of the house 220 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: and started to become more professionalized, that's when we see 221 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: more men taking it over and women kind of leaving 222 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: the industry that was growing at the time. Um. You know, 223 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: back then, many women brewed only on an occasional basis 224 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: and simply couldn't compete with the men who were entering 225 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: it professionally. Yeah, and once beer not only started being 226 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: made outside of the house, but also drunk outside of 227 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: the house. This is happening more towards the Industrial Revolution 228 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: when you have guys working outside the home and so 229 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: they would perhaps go to a bar afterwards or on 230 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: their lunch break, I don't know, for a beer, and 231 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: it became improper also kind of like coffee houses, as 232 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: we talked about in that coffee episode, for women to 233 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, fraternize at this establishment, not so much because 234 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: of the alcohol involved, but just because it would have 235 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: been improper to be a woman hanging out with all 236 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: these men. Like essentially they were assumed to be prostitutes 237 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: if they were hanging out at bars. Slight shaming, ye, 238 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: old slut shaming. Yeah. It really wasn't until prohibition that 239 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: women started going frequenting bars more often. Um, in underground speakeasies. Yeah, 240 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: because that's the whole you're getting the rise of the 241 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: new woman. Hemlines are going up, inhibitions are going down 242 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: along with all that bathtub gin bathtub um. So the 243 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: industry really stayed pretty male dominated starting with the professionalization 244 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: of the industry. And but we see some exceptions to 245 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: the rule. We have at least Miller John who headed 246 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: Miller Brewing from ninety nine. She was the first and 247 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: so far the only woman to run a major US 248 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: brewing company. And I'm gonna guess that since her middle 249 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: name is Miller, she was probably born into that role 250 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: and took over the company. And so this is part 251 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: of why we wanted to dedicate an episode to craft 252 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: beer because not only as craft beer on the rise, 253 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: as big beer has kind of taken a dip in 254 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: recent years sales wise, but more and more women are 255 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: being attracted to making and brewing incredible, delicious, tasty. Oh God, 256 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: I want to beer so bad. Yeah, I mean, it 257 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: seems like it's part of this whole good food movement, 258 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: this whole d I Y hobby culture. It's not just 259 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: dudes in their garages. There's there's plenty of women out 260 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: there who are into this whole culture too. There are 261 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: women in garages as well. You know what, I bet. 262 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I've been in a garage, yes, as have I didn't 263 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: stay in too long, but I've been in one. Um 264 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: speak of big beer, though, Like I said, the sales 265 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: have been slipping. They have actually dropped every year from 266 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: two thousand eight to two thousand eleven, and I have 267 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: a feeling that those numbers have probably continued. And now 268 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: there are more than two thousand craft beer labels that 269 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: have hopped up, and sales were up in two thousand eleven. 270 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: So you see all of a sudden, you know, fewer 271 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: Budweiser's and h Miller lights happening, and more more bells, 272 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: more Monday night brewing. I'm fine with that. Yeah, I 273 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: am hoping. My biased theory is the big beer sale. 274 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: I like how we're saying big beer like big tobacco like, 275 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: is yeah, well yeah, and and that their sales are 276 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: dipping hopefully because they're so terrible and people are finally 277 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: realizing that they don't have to drink like swill water. 278 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: They can actually drink tasty things. Although okay, although one 279 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: fun side note about big beer, Caroline I heard on 280 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: in PR a couple of weeks ago that the there 281 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: are two standout labels that have seen exponential growth in 282 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: recent years also largely do to people who probably um 283 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: enjoy craft beers as well on occasion, and that is 284 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: PBR and yngling. The hipster effect. The hipster effect. Yeah, 285 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: so I thought that was I thought that was really funny. 286 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I enjoy an ice cold PBR 287 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: every now and then, although as I have aged, I've 288 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: started to enjoy craft beer more. Yeah. No, I I 289 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: don't think I can do anymore. I mean there was 290 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: a really long period like from college when I was 291 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: poor too after college, when I was still poor, you know, 292 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: two more recent times when I'm pretty much still poor, 293 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: that I would just drink a lot of PBR and 294 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: that was fine because you know, especially if it's hot 295 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: outside Atlanta in the summer and you're you just want 296 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: to drink cheap beer and you're hanging out the pattio 297 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: with friends, it's basically water. Yeah, but I have it's 298 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: been a long time. And I had a PBR for 299 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time the other day 300 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, actually put it down. I was like, 301 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: this is I can't It's gross. It was it can Yeah. Yeah, see, 302 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I can't do a can PBR anymore unless I've had 303 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: a couple of beers before that. I can still do 304 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: uh you know what, it's not called a fountain a 305 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: fountain beer that draft beer, I can I can have 306 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: a fountain p BR from Yeah, a little PBR float yeah. Um. 307 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we we're definitely seeing this rise of 308 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: craft beer. And women have been part of this craft 309 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: beer renaissance since it's very earliest beginnings in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, 310 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean in nineteen eight three a woman claimed the 311 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: Homebrewer of the Year title in the National Homebrew Competition. 312 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: That's impressive. And just four years later, in nineteen eight seven, 313 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: Carol Stout founded and still helps run Stouts Brewing Company 314 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: in Adamstown, Pennsylvania. And in nineteen eighty nine, Ellen Bounds 315 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: and her husband began McCausland Brewery. And a few years 316 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: later too, in nine, a woman named Ellen Bouncle and 317 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: her husband began the McCausland Brewery. And she recently received 318 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: this like really huge prize, like for being this amazing 319 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: master brewer. And the interview with her was so interesting 320 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: because she talked about when she first started, it was 321 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: more of her husband's idea. She had been a school teacher, 322 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: didn't never envisioned herself brewing beer, and she said, quote, 323 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of an old boys network when you 324 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: come out of the world of education. Women have always 325 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: had an instrumental role there. I wasn't really used to 326 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: that form of discrimination, but it became very obvious, very rapidly. 327 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: So she talked about her interest increase and she became 328 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: more and more involved with the brewery. For instance, if 329 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: she would go out on sales calls, people will be like, 330 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Why? A woman selling beer? No? Yeah, 331 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: And that's what you read over and over again in 332 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: these interviews with these women who were involved in the industry, 333 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: is like, they show up or they're at the brewery whatever, 334 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: and people just assume they're like, you know, like promotional 335 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: women like the bud light girl or whoever. He's just 336 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: there to give you necklaces and shot glasses to at 337 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: the beer. Yeah, you know, the whole stereotypical having a 338 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: bit of a hard time getting taken seriously. Yeah. And 339 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: for for Bouncil, it was just interesting to read to 340 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: about how once she started kind of hanging out around 341 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: the brew process and got more and more involved with 342 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: her husband as they're making beer, she just grew to 343 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: love the process of it and now is a master brewer. 344 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: I would love if I knew how to do it, 345 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: and I had the gumption. I don't know if I 346 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: have the patience for it. Yeah, it's like because it's 347 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: such a I'm I don't know. I've I enjoy making coffee, 348 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: for instance, because I can it'll be in my cup 349 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: and I can be drinking it in ten minutes. Yeah, exactly. Um, Well, 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: we have Kim Jordan's she started the New Belgium Brewery 351 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: with her then husband and today she's still the CEO, 352 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: and New Belgium happens to be the third largest craft 353 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: brewery in the US. Yeah. If you're looking up information 354 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: about women and craft brewing, Kim Jordan's name comes up 355 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: over and over and over again because she's kind of 356 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: held up as the most successful woman in craft beer, 357 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: especially because New Belgium has become such a popular label 358 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: in recent years. Yeah. And NPR noted that she does 359 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of women in top leadership positions in 360 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: her company, so it's it's a good example of women 361 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: helping women. Yeah. Absolutely, So why though, aside from beer 362 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: being awesome, why are women particularly attracted to craft brewing? 363 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: What's going on here, Caroline? Well, one of the thoughts 364 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: is that it has this emphasis on creative flavors and 365 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: food pairings as well as, like I mentioned earlier, the 366 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: d I y hobby culture, you know, like pinterest is 367 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: all the rage, So I don't know, maybe there's some 368 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: good beer recipes splitting around of interest. Yeah, I think 369 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: it is part of this. Well. We talked about it 370 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: a lot in our Craft Revival slash Etsy episode where 371 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: um and even the New Domesticity interview that we had 372 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: a while back with Emily Matcher about how there right 373 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: now in particular, there is this appreciation for making our 374 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: own goods, and I think the beer is part of that. 375 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: And also with our wine episode, there's some findings of 376 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: how women are especially drawn to wine and food pairings, 377 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: like they want to they pick something out based on 378 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: what the entire meal will be, yeah, right, and and 379 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: discussing palettes and things like that, different different flavor notes 380 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, I mean it's interesting, like 381 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: there there I know plenty of people unfortunately unfortunately for them, 382 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: who think that all beer tastes the same is gross, 383 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: but there, I mean, especially you'll notice it if you're 384 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: drinking one type of amazing beer and switch to another 385 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: type of amazing beer. You can immediately tell like how 386 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: different the flavors are, you know, And that's not even 387 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: to talk about going from that's just brand brand. I'm 388 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even talking about type to type right. Well, 389 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: and that's the that question of what type of beer 390 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: do women like? Um is a little bit insulting because 391 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: there is the assumption that women will only want hunt 392 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: usually like a very fruity beer, like a lambic or something. 393 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: Um Like, I don't know. The first thing that pops 394 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: into my head is like a beat of purple haze, 395 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: which is a little raspberry flavored. You just squinched your nose, 396 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: I know, Well, because what's the one I I know 397 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: it's obvious, but it's escaping. What's the one that tastes 398 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: like blueberries? Uh? Um? Sweetwater blue I cannot drink it. 399 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: I cannot give me. Give me fruit any day in 400 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: a bowl, I will eat it. Do not put fruit 401 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: in my beer unless it's like, you know, like a 402 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: wheat beer with an orange in it. But I'm talking 403 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: about like I don't like flavored. Yeah, well, a lot 404 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: of times they're very sweet and um. The more that 405 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: women are getting involved in craft beer and doing tastings 406 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: and more research is being paid, or at least as 407 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: demographic as even being acknowledged. There's now this is almost 408 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: astonishment at the wide range of beers that different women enjoy, 409 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: Like we probably have different beer palettes because everybody probably 410 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: has a slightly different beer palette, but apparently women really 411 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: enjoy sours. We don't love I P A P A 412 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: is like all I drink. I enjoyed I P as well. 413 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: So I feel like those kinds of uh surveys are 414 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: it should always be taken with a grain of salt, 415 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: because I mean, it's just different people are going to 416 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: like different kinds of things, and even the weather, the 417 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: type of weather outside is going to determine the kind 418 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: of beer I want. And I mean, and I'm quite 419 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: a novice when it comes to beer. And I was 420 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: talking to my older sister, who knows far more about 421 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: beer and wine and coffee, about this and I mentioned sours. Caroline. 422 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later she had listed off all of these 423 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: different recommendations and all of these different things, and I was, 424 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: what is what is that? What is sours? Apparently it's 425 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and I hope I'm not going to butcher this, but 426 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: from what I understand, it's it is a little bit 427 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: more fruit forward, but not super sweet like a lambic um. 428 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: It is, as the name implies, a Dutch sour. Yeah, 429 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: and they think that it has to do that women 430 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: might like it a little bit more because our because 431 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: of the differences in our taste buds, that we might 432 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: detect sweet and sour a little bit more, and that 433 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: women might not enjoy I p a s as much 434 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: because our bitter taste buds are also a little bit 435 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: more active than men's. Yeah. See, I I will drink 436 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: I p a all day long. Um. But darker beers, 437 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: like really really dark beers for some reason, and I'm sorry, 438 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: send me hate mail or or an explanation if anybody 439 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: out there is a beer science nerd person or free 440 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: beer Why do some of those dark beer's tastes like 441 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: soy sauce? Oh I get that. Yeah. Maybe I just 442 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: have a superior sense of taste, my mommy sense. Man. 443 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: We could just I wish we had just turned this 444 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: podcast into a virtual beer tasting um. And I hope 445 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: that right now listeners are thinking of the beers and 446 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: the types of like in the labels that they away 447 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: because I am all for trying new kinds of beers, 448 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: so be sure to let us know the kinds of 449 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: you like. But next up, we want to talk about 450 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: one other reason that more and more women are being 451 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: drawn into craft beer, and that's due to specific organizations 452 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: that are advocating for women to brew and enjoy beer. 453 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about that when we come 454 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: right back from a quick break and now back to 455 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: the show. So we were just discussing pretty much ad 456 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: nauseum our own personal preferences for beer and asking for 457 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: suggestions um. But there is one major influence on more 458 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: women getting involved in the craft beer industry, and that 459 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: is other women being in the craft beer industry. You 460 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: have people like Terry Farrendorff, who started the Pink Boots 461 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: Society UH founded in two thousand seven. Farrendorf was a 462 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: brew master for twenty years and she basically saw this 463 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: need for more women to actually be educated about beer, 464 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: enjoy beer, and start brewing their own. Yeah, the the 465 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: idea for Pink Boots started when she went on a 466 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: cross country tour of all these different breweries and she 467 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: was struck with how few women she saw on the 468 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: brewery floors actually making the beer, and also from her 469 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: own experience as a brew master, having men assumed that 470 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: she wasn't strong enough to brew beer, didn't have the 471 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: palette for it, just like couldn't do it by virtue 472 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: of her being a woman. And I mean she's also 473 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: just highly accomplished. She was, for instance, the first female 474 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: class president in the history of the Civil Institute of 475 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Brewing Technology in Chicago, where she went. She was the 476 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: first female brewmaster in craft brewing in the US, and 477 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: the first woman brewmaster in California and Oregon's craft brewery industries. 478 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: And so she, you know, beyond qualified to start this 479 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: organization that now boast more than eight hundred members. And 480 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: there's plenty of other organizations and ladies only brewing events 481 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: that you can look up on the internet. I highly 482 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: recommend it. Groups like Barley's Angels, which is a network 483 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: in several states actually that sets up women only beer 484 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: nights at local bars. You can go drink, learn about 485 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: what you're drinking, make friends, all that good stuff. There's 486 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: also women Enjoying Beer dot Com, uh, Eagle Rock Breweries, 487 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: Women's Beer Forum, and on and on and on. Yeah, 488 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: I feel like the more beer festivals that you see 489 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: to the more uh people you see their specifically promoting 490 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: women and beer, whether it's like women run labels or 491 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: these events for inviting women to come in and try 492 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: different beers and perhaps a less intimidating setting where you know, 493 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: men might not just assume that they want some blueberry 494 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: beer and that's it, and nothing wrong with blueberry beer 495 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: if that's your jam, it's to really fine. Um. And 496 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: but but it's really cool to see this kind of 497 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, this kind of grassroots organization happening. And a 498 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: side note, if you're curious as to why Pink Boots 499 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Society is called the Pink Boots Society, Um, it's because 500 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: Terry Ferendorff's um brewing boots are pink. And it's just 501 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of a thing of like, yeah, we're brewing beer 502 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: and we're doing it in pink boots. So that's what 503 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: that means. So it's great that there are all these 504 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: efforts going on to encourage more women to get involved 505 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: in the industry. Brew the beer, enjoy the beer, get involved, 506 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: all this good stuff. But there's still so many hurdles, 507 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: it seems like, for women to even drink the beer 508 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: in the first place. There's all of these assumptions that 509 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: beer is just a man thing. I mean, we still 510 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: see ridiculous ads out there that are targeting men with 511 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: just like Busty Broad selling their booze and it's like, no, um, hello, 512 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: there's like other women out here who would like to 513 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: drink beer too. One thing that I've noticed as well 514 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: in terms of the masculinization and of beer um and 515 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: and we talked about like gendering and alcohol two in 516 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: our wine episode, like you see it all over the place. 517 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: Pick a type of liquor or alcohol and it's it's 518 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: probably gendered in its advertising. Um. But one thing I've 519 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: noticed is how cider is often considered more of a 520 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: girlier drink. And but I've seen a couple of cider 521 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: companies specifically with the way that they advertise, usually male voices, 522 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: and are they're trying to sell cider to a male customer, 523 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Like it's it's just so clear in the way that 524 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: they're selling like this is its cider, this is hard 525 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: uple man smash or something, you know. Uh so it's 526 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of interesting to watch. But there are 527 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: companies too that are that want to acknowledge that, yes, 528 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: female beer beer drinkers absolutely exists, so let's cater to them. 529 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: But the efforts have been mixed. For instance, Danish beer 530 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: Carlsberg tried a couple of years ago to sell this 531 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: what it called gender neutral malt, wheat and rice logger, 532 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: which sounds interesting. Actually I'll try it, um, But it 533 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: was so clearly just targeted at women. They were saying 534 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: it was gender neutral, but it was. It was very feminine. Yeah, 535 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: it was in It's in a crystal clear bottle. It's 536 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: a very light logger. The labels white, there's like gold 537 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: lettering and all the stuff, and and it made me wonder. 538 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: It actually made me wonder about all the beers I drink. 539 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: I had to go through all the labels, and I 540 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: was like, do I consider any of them gendered labels? Yeah? 541 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, even if you look 542 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: at like a bud light, can there's nothing about a 543 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: bud light can it says men, right, I mean right, yeah, 544 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: it's um. It doesn't seem like the answer to getting 545 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: more women to drink beer is to feminize the design. 546 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe just remove some of the old stereotypical you know, 547 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: bikini clad babes. Serving guys beers and commercials that would 548 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: probably be helpful. I mean, the fact of the matter is, 549 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: too women drink less beer than guys. Do. We prefer wine. 550 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: Of women, at least according to an August Gallop Pole, 551 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: of women prefer wine over other alcoholic beverages, whereas of 552 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: men prefer beer. But we are drinking more beer than 553 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: ever before, do partially to this rise in craft beer. Yeah. 554 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: I think it's nice to sort of get the craft 555 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: beer word out there that there are other options. I mean, 556 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: maybe there are people, both women and men, who aren't 557 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: drinking beer because they think it all tastes like Miller 558 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: something something something, you know. But there's there's other and 559 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: better things out there. Yeah. And there was even uh, 560 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: this was so appropriate for this episode. There was one 561 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: beer that was developed for to promote International Women's Day 562 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to find it. Um, but there's 563 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: actually a craft beer called feminist Beer. And and and 564 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: the brand that puts it out is also Escaping V. 565 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: But they're here, and there are these like overt kind 566 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: of a ladies, listen up, we get you here you go. Yeah, 567 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: drive feminist beer. Sure, um, And I would if anybody 568 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: wants to send it to me. Yeah, sure, if you've 569 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: got a six pack of feminist beer, send it our way. Um. 570 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: And there was a good point put forth though by 571 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: Serious Eats recently um in a round up that they 572 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: were doing of like five things that you need to 573 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: know about the craft beer industry, and they say that 574 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: women have solidified their place in beer as drinkers, brewers, 575 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: lab texts, monsters, sales reps, bar owners, and homebrewers, but 576 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: they also continue to show up half naked on beer 577 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: labels or caught up in insulting double entendres. So it's 578 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: like we've we're making progress beer wise, but there's still 579 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: that kind of implicit sexism of the assumption that it 580 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: is a guy's drink, that women don't necessarily have the 581 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: chops to make it, that we don't really take it seriously. Right, 582 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: But an encouraging sign is that one of the articles 583 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: we read was pointing out that both women and younger 584 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: men in general are turned off by these like stereotypically 585 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: like super hyper masculine uh men being served by busty 586 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: broads with their beer, right, I mean turned off by 587 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: that ad? Yeah, because those kinds of ads are not 588 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: just insulting to women, they're also insulting to men. Sure, 589 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: so maybe there's there's hope a little bit there for 590 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: as far as marketing anyway. Yeah, and of all the 591 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: interviews that I read of women who are either involved 592 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: in homebrewing or larger craft breweries, they acknowledge that, yeah, 593 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: there is still some of this implicit sexism that they 594 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: run up against, of the perceptions that they might just 595 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: be shot girls sort of. Um, but that overall they've 596 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: sensed the you know, it is improving, and then a 597 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: lot of times it's just an exposure thing. Guys are 598 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: surprised to see them because we're still a minority in 599 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: that industry. But now we want to hear from you, 600 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: fair listeners. What are your thoughts on women and beer 601 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: also just beer in general. If you have beer recommendations 602 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: for Caroline and me, we heartily accept all of them 603 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: and we will probably try all of them. Were beer fans. 604 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: Not everybody's a beer fan either. That's totally fine, um, 605 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: but I encourage you to try try different beers, support 606 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: craft breweries. I mean, it's I think it's a cool, 607 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: a cool thing that's happening. It's an interesting renaissans Foot 608 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: and I am very excited about it. Yeah, and if 609 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: there are any brewers listening, we would love to hear 610 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: your inside perspective on women in the industry. So share 611 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: your beer thoughts, brewsters, brewers one and all. Mom Stuff 612 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: at discovery dot com is where you can send your letters, 613 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: or you can tweet us at mom Stuff pie Cast, 614 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: or send us a Facebook message and we have a 615 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: couple of messages to share with you right now. So 616 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of letters here about our episode. 617 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: Hey Ladies, Ema rights very interesting podcast. I actually had 618 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: no idea that the word lady had a negative history, 619 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: but now, thanks to you lovely ladies, I do interestingly. 620 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: When I was five years old, my idea of being 621 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: a lady was a very desirable idea. I thought ladies 622 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: were beautiful, confident, and well respected. I also liked the 623 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: idea of wearing my mom's lipstick. I liked this so 624 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: much that one day, when my mother asked me what 625 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to be for Halloween, I responded, without hesitation, 626 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: a lady. I have no idea what my mother thought 627 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: initially about my very confident response, but I'm happy to 628 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: say that my mother did actually let me pick out 629 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: my costume so that I could be the best lady 630 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: in my five year old imagining, san I dressed up 631 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: in what I think was a Cinderella nightgown, pink leggings, 632 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: and smothered my face and face paint close to what 633 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: I imagine makeup should look like on a pretty lady. 634 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: Long story short, I ended up being rolled around our 635 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: local grocery store in a wagon dressed as a lady, 636 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: throwing out chocolate Looney's too unsuspecting shoppers while yelling Happy 637 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 1: Halloween from the ladies. That might be the most adorable 638 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. Yeah, we just had to take 639 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: a laugh break on that one. She she signs off. 640 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: I guess I was a bit of a strange kid. Oh, Emma, 641 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: no stranger than Caroline and me. I shure you. I 642 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: still put on my paint leggings under my Cinderella nightgowns. 643 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: Do you want me to pull you in a wagon 644 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: through at the grocery store? Long? Dos you give me chocolate? 645 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: I'm fine? Okay? This is from Sarah. 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