1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Our compatriot Matt is Odd Adventures, but will be returning soon. 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: superproducer Alexis codenamed Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: It is twenty twenty four, folks. Everybody remember to write 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: the dates correctly. Calendars are largely made up, but it's 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the small things that matter. This is one of our 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: favorite times of the week, our listener mail segment where 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: we get to hear directly from you know. We've got 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: a bunch of wild stuff here today. And uh, you 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: and I, You and I we're talking. We're thinking maybe 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: we uh we we jump right into a voicemail, right, 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I think so? 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: As you know, Matt uh in his absence, remains the 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: keeper of the voicemail vault, and so it's almost like 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: he's here. Let's let's here one let's hear. 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: One all right, So we are going to play one 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: from a fellow conspiracy realist going by Duke Nukem. Ooh 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: nice raf, Duke Nukem. 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: Here we go. 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: Hey guys, longtime listener, first time caller. UH, you can 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: call me Duke Newcombe. So I am a previous Air 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: Force officer. I worked in UH Nuclear Missile Control and 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 3: Command Command. I was technically an ICBM launch officer UH, 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: specifically the minimum three missile. So I was the one 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: underground sifty five feet under and we were there behind 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 3: a sixty five ton blast door for about twenty four 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: to seventy two hours at a time. I wanted you 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: guys to think about what it was like for us 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: underground there, because it wasn't just checklist and procedure. But 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: there were a lot of stories about supernatural activity that 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: happened in a lot of our missile alert facilities or 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: capsules that we hung out in, and things got super weird. 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: And I did it for about five years, and this 40 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: is where it gets crazy. I actually had some experiences 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: underground of things that I couldn't explain. Wasn't sure if 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: you guys have heard about this, but a lot of 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: these missile silos, these alert facilities were built and they 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 3: found Indian burial grounds that might contribute to some of 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: the weird things that happened. But specifically, I was on 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: alert one morning, just up by myself, and there was 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: a huge Our entire capsule got knocked and we were 48 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: swinging because we're on springs to just in case there 49 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: was like a nuclear war, we would be able to 50 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: do our job. But out of nowhere, our entire capsule 51 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: got hit. I investigated and we were swinging and there 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: was nothing there. There was another story of a missileer 53 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: looking across into the launch control equipment building which is 54 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: outside of the blast door, which is where our diesel 55 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: generation comes from, and they saw a little girl that 56 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: threw a ball at them and then disappeared. So I'm 57 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: not sure if you guys are interested in like explore this, 58 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: but I know there's been some supernatural activity that has 59 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: been reported by missile ears that might just that might 60 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: be ghost but also actually terrestrial activity with the nuclear 61 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: sites and some nuclear launch facilities going offline. But I 62 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: just wanted to give you guys a heads up that 63 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: that's actually a thing in our community. I am no 64 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: longer in the Air Force anymore. But this is something 65 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: that stuck. 66 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: With me, and that was Duke nukeom with a bevy 67 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: of things that deserve further digging. I'm doing a underground 68 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: missile sil of joke. 69 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true. Matt pointed out to in the 70 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: notes when he left this this one that there's there's 71 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: the inklings of quite a few other stories there that 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: would probably be worth giving giving Duke a call back. 73 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: But Ben, you know, I was thinking about to just 74 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: being that deep underground, it can be cause in and 75 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: of itself for some kind of auditory hallucinations. Now I'm 76 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: not again, I'm not saying that these I'm not chalking 77 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: these up to entirely to hallucinations. But I was actually 78 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: just watching a TV series called Murder at the End 79 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: of the World, which is pretty good. Britt Britt Marling, 80 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: who's made some films that really enjoyed, like Another Earth 81 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: and one called Sound of My Voice and another one 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 2: about eco terrorist that I'm forgetting the name of. But anyway, 83 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: there's a part where there's like this very very wealthy 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: character who has an underground bunker, and he points out 85 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: that being deep enough underground to escape the seepage of 86 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: fallout would require being so far down, like around fifty 87 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: feet or more, that you would have no access to 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: natural sunlight, and being down there for long enough that 89 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: can actually play tricks on the mind because being a 90 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: you know, species who has evolved in the presence of 91 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: natural sunlight, you know, we kind of need the stuff. 92 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: You know. 93 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: We can obviously supplement certain parts of it away in 94 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: terms of kinds of nutrients that we need and all 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: of that. But there's something to it. You know, if 96 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: we hear about people getting seasonal effective disorder and eating 97 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: certain special lights. But had you thought about that at all, 98 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: about what maybe living underground like that, are being exposed 99 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: to long periods underground like that might do to the mind. 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and this is I think one of the 101 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: first things we should say is, Doke, thank you for 102 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: doing your part to keep the world safe. Absolutely, the 103 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: US doesn't hear a lot about this profession. Dare I 104 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: say vocation? However, it is mission critical and you raise 105 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: something that I was thinking about as well there noel, 106 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: which is when someone is underground for an extended amount 107 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: of time, it doesn't have to be like a fallout 108 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: level extended amount of time. But when you are underground, 109 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: you are going to be exposed to some degree to 110 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: things that humans still don't quite understan stand. One example 111 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: would be plate tectonics. I'm wondering whether the in terms 112 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: of auditory experience, I'm wondering whether the frequencies of sound 113 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: from the Earth's tembleaures and it's, you know, the lovely 114 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: little farts of this crust of the planet we call 115 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they could do something that that would 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: be difficult to explain, especially when you have a firsthand 117 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: sensory experience. Now, as for the paranormal stuff, that's a 118 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: whole different bag of badgers, right, Like, I don't know, 119 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: Like oftentimes when we hear these stories or these experiences 120 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: of someone who says I was on duty I saw 121 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: something I cannot explain, that's often one person seeing it. 122 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: But it sounds like it sounds like Duke is telling 123 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: us that he had a report of multiple people seeing 124 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: this little girl who threw the ball. 125 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I don't know, man. It's interesting 126 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: as many times as we've covered stories of people reporting 127 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: paranormal and I know it's not really necessarily our job 128 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: to make it about us, or to say, you know, 129 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: we think this is scientifically verifiable or whatever. That's really 130 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: not the point of this show, but to feel like, 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: at different times we've fallen on different sides of whether 132 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: these kinds of things are factually possible or whether it's 133 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: more of like a spiritual kind of experience, which can 134 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, hallucination is an experience, and I don't think 135 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: it's necessarily one that is inherently without meaning or without value, 136 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: you know, and people that are in a similar situation 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: could be because of certain deprivations or certain the plate 138 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: tectonics thing I think is fascinating be experiencing similar things. 139 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: I don't know where I fall on, Like, you know, 140 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: can you see a ghost? Can you see the remnants 141 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: of the past. We've talked about these kinds of things, 142 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: and it's always something that I'm always right up against 143 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: the edge of, and I just I don't know, and 144 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 2: I haven't experience it like that, So it's not for 145 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: me to say I would say that in a place 146 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: like this, and in time of war, I could surely 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: imagine some pretty crazy energies lingering around and facilities such 148 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: as this. 149 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: It also makes me wonder. It makes me wonder about 150 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: the UFO sightings near missile facilities. Right since the nineteen forties, 151 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: there have been multiple reports of silos being stalked, for 152 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: lack of a better word, being surveilled by some sort 153 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: of inexplicable craft or phenomena entity. Sure, and this I 154 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: think goes into one of the larger issues, and this 155 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: ties in with the paranormal stuff too, Duke, which is 156 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: that people who are working at this level, in this 157 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: rarefied air expertise, are often very concerned about reporting what 158 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: they have seen up the command chain because it may 159 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: compromise your career. In a situation where you need to 160 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: be a stallwart, one hundred percent dependable person functioning in 161 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: your role, than anything that makes you look like you 162 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: might not be one hundred percent dependable can be really damaging. 163 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: So it's not a surprise I would say that there 164 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: is not more official reporting on this. There's a lot 165 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: of people talking to each other in communities to get 166 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: together with your veteran buddies, things like that. We want 167 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: to bring those stories to the world and we will 168 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: do our best to protect your anonymity as well. 169 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: Hey, collectively, we've all been very encouraged by some of 170 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: the disclosure stuff, you know, as underwhelming as maybe some 171 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: of the reports have been, just the fact that it 172 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: gives an out an outlet to people and a validation 173 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: to folks you know, have these kinds of stories. And again, 174 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: what disclosure is more specifically referring to, like I guess, extraterrestrial, 175 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: you know, types of experiences, But to me, I feel 176 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: like they may as well be two sides of the 177 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: same coin. I think that's a really good point Ben 178 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: the whole sightings near missile silos and all of that, though, 179 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: I do think that's a very valid thing to bring up, 180 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: and you know, with Matt being sort of the keeper 181 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: of the voicemail vault and doing such a bang up 182 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: job as always, I think the two of us are 183 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: definitely made a bit of a New Year's pledge to 184 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 2: give some calls back ourselves, and who knows, maybe it 185 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: could even evolve into another type of segment moving forward. 186 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: But Duke, I think this is a really great story 187 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: and I'm really anxious to hear. 188 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: More, and I would love to hear more from other 189 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: people who've had similar experiences. Please let us know, give 190 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: us a call. What eight three three std WYTK. You 191 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: can also email us directly love an email. We read 192 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: everyone we get we are conspiracy atiheartradio dot com. Uh no, 193 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: what do you say? We pause for a word from 194 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: our sponsor and come back with some more listener. 195 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 4: Mail smashing idea, and we have returned with more messages 196 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: from you. 197 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: Yes, you and in this case you is one of 198 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: my favorite nicknames in recent memory. Fox Sillion Fastfoot. I'm 199 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: a big fan of alliteration, Ben, how about you? He 200 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: like a good alliterative turn of phrase? 201 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am actively a fan of alliteration. 202 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: No, you did it anyone an a which isn't even 203 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: an easy one to pull off. Well done, sir. Okay, 204 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: we'll just jump right into it. Hey, Ben, Matt and 205 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: Noel call me good to say it again, Fox sillyon 206 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: fast Foot. That is my D and D character name, 207 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: Of course it is. Ben, you've got some what's your 208 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: Do you have a character name for your D D, 209 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: D and D or do you just go with with 210 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: your your own name? 211 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh? Several several? Okay, yeah, what about you? You got 212 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: you got a D and D name. 213 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: I don't play D and D because I just haven't 214 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: had the opportunity, but I really want to maybe you 215 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna make a resolution right here and 216 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: now to try to play a real D and D game. 217 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: But my character's name in Skyritrim is Grendel, like the 218 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: like the monster in Beowulf. You know, I just think 219 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: it's I always thought that was a cool, cool sounding name. 220 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 2: But I don't have a last name. It should be 221 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 2: should be like Grendel, Dad, dadfly or something like that, 222 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: you know, if we're going with the alliteration thing. In 223 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: any case, D and D character names are awesome. Uh. 224 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: Continuing with the letter, your recent discussion about various goods 225 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: like Swedish fish and mountain dew being smuggled in the 226 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: UK the circumvent laws regarding the safety of certain chemicals. 227 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: It got me thinking about the inverse over protecting people 228 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: from helpful products because a chemical has not been proven safe. 229 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: I can give us personal and timely anecdote to this. 230 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: Last month, I went on a tour of the British 231 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: Isles and was just getting over a cold when I 232 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: arrived in London to begin the tour. I assumed that 233 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: if the symptoms came back, I could just go to 234 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: a chemist British for Pharmacy, thank you, and pick up 235 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: the equivalent of mucinex Nike will Airborne, et cetera. My 236 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: symptoms came back and I went to find some medicine. 237 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: To my surprise, all I could find on the shelves 238 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: was their version of thilan all which is is it 239 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: called paracetamol? I on'tly remember that, because there's a joke 240 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: like about where all the tailo is in the jungle, 241 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: go the parents eat them all. It may be a 242 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: different drug, but I do know that is a British 243 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: equivalent of like a. 244 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Painkiller or just a set of menafit right. 245 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: I think that's right, But again I don't even know 246 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: what the deal is behind that, because I've certainly never 247 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: heard of paracetamol over here, so I don't know anyway 248 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: be worth looking into further. But going on, I did 249 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: a Google search to see if dextro meth orphan, the 250 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: active ingredient in many decongestins, was legal in the UK, 251 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: and it said it was. Perhaps those medicines were behind 252 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: the shelf, but I did not see them when I 253 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: looked for what it's worth in proof that I know 254 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: what medication I need to treat which cold symptom. Once 255 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: I return to the States and in the airport, purchased 256 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: some use next my symptoms were gone within the next day. 257 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh, it is a paracetabole, by the way. 258 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: Got it? 259 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Got it. 260 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: While I cannot definitively say that every compound in common 261 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: cold medicines is safe, I can say that I have 262 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: never had a negative reaction to any such medication, provided 263 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: I don't overdo it. It does feel like the UK 264 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: government is doing a disservice to their population by keeping 265 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: treatments that can help people recover faster out of fewer hands. 266 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: I think this is one thing to discuss here. This 267 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: is the next as a side note, something you all 268 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: may find humorous. Right after travelers get through security at Heathrow, 269 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: they walk through a giant duty free shop that is 270 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: sectioned off into different areas cosmetics, gadgets, spirits, and of 271 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: course candy. In the candy section, there is a display 272 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: of Kinder eggs. As you all know, Kinder eggs or 273 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: this is me it's very least the kind that we're 274 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: talking about here. The brand exists here, but not these 275 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: European kinds are illegal in the United States. Because they 276 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: the eggs contain a non nutritive object in the form 277 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: of the toy inside. If the United Kingdom wants to 278 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: yell about people smuggling mountain dew into their country to 279 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: their country, perhaps they should do something about people smuggling 280 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: kinder eggs out of their country. What's fair is fair? Right? 281 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: I think this is so cool? Do you mind Ben 282 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: if we start with the what's the deal with like 283 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: looking into the efficacy of drugs and like how different 284 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: countries are going to have different processes and whether or 285 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: not the fact that we have all of this available 286 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: over here is always in fact good or is there 287 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: like a middle ground. I'm just fascinated to day to 288 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: hear what you have to say. 289 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, First I'd like to say I've had that 290 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: same experience Fox Silian. By the way, Fox Sillion is 291 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: a entity of many names, and it's always good to 292 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: hear from them. I've had that same experience in Heathrow 293 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: multiple times. We'll get to that in a second. The 294 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: idea of how over the counter drugs or substances are 295 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: treated country to country is incredibly fascinating. For example, if 296 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: you are in a lot of places in Europe, on 297 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: the continent of Europe and then also in the UK 298 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: as well. A lot of things that you might need 299 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: a prescription for here in the States you do not 300 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: need a prescription for in those other countries, right, And 301 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: also the pharmacies. The pharmacies here in the States are 302 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: usually pretty shocking to folks from Europe because pharmacies here 303 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: sell so much other stuff, you know, they sell like 304 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: they're basically small grocery stores, and pharmacies in much of 305 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the world only sell these medicinal substances. 306 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: You've had that experience as well, I believe. 307 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Like I think I first noticed it in Paris, 308 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: where you know the appotaiko after they call it in Germany. Yeah, 309 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: just the chemists or whatever. They're these green signs that 310 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: almost look like you think they might be, like I 311 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: think jokingly was like, is that a weed dispensary. Nope, 312 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: they've been that way for ages. That's what they look like. 313 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: And they only sell medication. And we went into one 314 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: because we had to get COVID tests at that point 315 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: in order to get a clearance to fly back. But yes, 316 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: I did notice they don't sell you know, gummy candy 317 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 2: or anything. Like that it is exclusively that particular genre 318 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: of products, and a lot of it isn't over the 319 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: counter at all. 320 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's correct. I mean I think also that 321 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: goes into the larger conversation that you're having with us. 322 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: I'll call you a doctor fast foot for D and 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: D fast foot the idea of over protecting people from 324 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: helpful products like being overly preventative. Right, There is validity 325 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: to that argument. 326 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: Right. 327 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: The question is, should a given regulatory body wait until 328 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: there are decades long studies about intergenerational effects or effects 329 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: over thirty years or so on before allowing or disallowing 330 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: a substance into the market. That's a really good question. 331 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: And in our previous conversation, the argument seems to be that, 332 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: at least in the case of the United Kingdom, they 333 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: are sort of airing on the side of caution, right 334 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, let's not have a situation like asbestos 335 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: or lead not too long ago. And we see that, 336 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: and that's definitely a stance to take. It does prevent 337 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: possible legal nightmares down the road. But I gotta say 338 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: something about the under egg, the kinder egg controversy with 339 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: a k that is, look, man, a lot of times 340 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: when you travel, especially if it's not a controlled substance 341 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: like some kind of drug or whatever. A lot of 342 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: times when you travel, your origin country or your origin 343 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: place doesn't care what you take with you because it's 344 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: not their responsibility. An example here in the United States 345 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: would be flying from a city or from a state 346 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: wherein something like cannabis is legal or decriminalized. They're not 347 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: going to say, hey, are you flying to a place 348 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: where this is still legal? They don't care. 349 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I've had this conversation with multiple folks, and 350 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: particularly a friend of mine who's a lawyer, and he 351 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: had a bit of a different view on it, because 352 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: I guess his opinion was that when you're in the airport, 353 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: you're kind of in a liminal space where like federal 354 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: law applies more than state law, and more even than 355 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: the law of like the state or the country that 356 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: you're in, not cutting up the country. It's different in 357 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: Europe obviously, because there'd be laws, you know, from country 358 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: to country, jurisdiction the jurisdiction that's right, So like sure 359 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: you wouldn't in theory if they've caught you with cannabis 360 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: in like a place where it is federally illegal, they 361 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: could the very least confiscated, but they probably wouldn't like 362 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: send you to jail, and likely they would call the 363 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: local law and then they would say, well, it's it's 364 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: legally here. But it's great, super weird and gray. But 365 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: the idea of this kinderregg smuggling really tickled me because 366 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: it seems like such a silly small thing. But like 367 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: over here, the kinderreggs we get there like a Ferrari 368 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: rochet ball that you just kind of crack open and 369 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: can dip a little cookie in. It's such a bait 370 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: and switch, there's no it's it's packaging that looks like 371 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: in a but you can get the thing. I always 372 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: loved about those types of kinderreg where the white chocolate 373 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: on the inside, darker chocolate on the outside. You can 374 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: get that over here as a bar, but not as 375 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: the actual egg containing per toy. Yeah. Do you know, 376 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: ben if all non nutritive things have been outlawed? Or 377 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: is that because I mean it used to be you'd 378 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: have a toy in your cereal box that was just 379 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: kind of floating free. Now it's like in all kinds 380 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 2: of packaging because I guess they don't want to make 381 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: sure nobody jokes on it. Such a funny little distinction. 382 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: It's again, it's the idea of airing on the side 383 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: of caution. You know, it takes It takes one unfortunate 384 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: incident of a I'm gonna date myself here, of a 385 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: of a toy just floating free in the bottom of 386 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: a box of cracker jacks. It takes one person swallowing 387 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: that for there to be an absolute hurricane of problems. 388 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: And the kinder stuff, the real kinderreggs are yes, still 389 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: technically illegal in the United States. But people smuggles stuff 390 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: all the time. It's not always you know, drugs, it's 391 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: not always it's not always the evil stuff. One of 392 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: the biggest smuggled products for a long time on the 393 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: US and Canadian border was actually toilets commos. Wow. When 394 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: the low flush commode laws went into place, people on 395 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: the northern side of the US started smuggling in these 396 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: different uh, these different commodes. So there's there's a lot 397 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to unpack with this uh And I'm tempted to ask folks, 398 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: what is your favorite non true crime smuggled thing, Like 399 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: we we know if you have. If you have relatives 400 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: who live in a different country, often you're asked to 401 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: bring things, to bring things over when you come back home. 402 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: One of the one of the funniest ones I learned 403 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: about recently no, and this is not illegal, is Poyo Campero. 404 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: You know, the fast food chicken joint. 405 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 2: I've heard the name, but I don't think I'm familiar 406 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: with what are they known for? 407 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: Chicken? I used to I used to eat it one 408 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: when I was living in Central America. They're quite popular 409 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: in Guatemala, and it's become somewhat of a tradition for 410 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: people flying to the US to bring Poyo compero with them, 411 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: such that the fast food business itself started making these 412 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: insulated bags to get carry it on the airport on 413 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: the airplane without making it the hopefully smell of chicken. 414 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: That's a good branding play. I do want to maybe 415 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: close this one up with one question, and I think 416 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: this maybe is where Fox Foxy Fox Sillion is going 417 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: with this. Does it feel like we're hung up over 418 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: here in the United States about a little plastic COI 419 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: inside an egg because we're afraid of like liability lawsuits 420 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: or whatever. But yet we green light a lot more 421 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of weird medications than the UK seemingly as willing 422 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: to do. You know, We've got all these things like 423 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: you know, these die be these drugs that are being 424 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: prescribed off label to encourage weight loss, you know, like 425 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: the Manjaross of the world and all of that stuff. 426 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: And we are now hearing after these things have already 427 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: been greenlit, that there are long term effects that are 428 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: starting to begin to be understood that maybe we're not 429 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: considered up front. So is it that, like, why are 430 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: we so focused on like the little plastic toy that 431 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: they don't care about over the UK, But yet we 432 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: seem to be willing to let a lot more experimental 433 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: kind of drugs flood the market than the UK is 434 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: willing to do. 435 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: And I'd like to hear, folks, especially if you've traveled 436 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: outside of the US, I'd like to hear what things 437 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: have you been able to purchase over the counter that 438 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: require prescription here in the States and what is your 439 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: opinion on that Is it safer? To your earlier question 440 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: as well, well, it is it a matter of safety, 441 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: is it a matter of preventive regulation, or is there 442 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: something else in the mix. 443 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: Are there? 444 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: Ulterior motives are there? You know, are there back room 445 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: conversations with stacks of cash or campaign donations. That was 446 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: an accidental rhyme before we get into full freestyling. What 447 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: if we pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll 448 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: be back with one more message from our fellow conspiracy realist. 449 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: And we have returned, We're going to hear from not 450 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: Joe's cousin. Not Joe's cousin says, how to their conspiracy realist. 451 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I was listening to the show earlier today and your 452 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: discussion on pry on or pre on diseases stuck in 453 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: my mind. You see, I have a degree in human 454 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: biology and pry on or pre on diseases came up 455 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: numerous times in my years of study. Learning about mad Cow, 456 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: CJD kuru De shout out, the X Files episode CWD, 457 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: and fatal familial insomnia all stuck with me. Now. I'm 458 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: no etymology doctor, but I feel like after hearing many PhDs, 459 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: master's students and undergrads discuss prions or preons over years 460 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: of study, I can give you a definitive answer on 461 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: how to pronounce it. Doc, Can we get a drum 462 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: roll please perfect not. Joe's cousin says it was more 463 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: often said one way than the other, but often both 464 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: were heard during any class, And there was one constant 465 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: during all of these discussions. No one ever corrected how 466 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: anyone else said it. No one ever even balked or 467 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: batt a die. And hearing it first one way then 468 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: the other, no eyebrows wherever raised. At two people discussing 469 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: back and forth and both saying it different ways, it 470 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: convinced me of three things. First, both ways to say 471 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: it are correct. Second, cares which way you say it? 472 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: And third, perhaps most controversial, I firmly believe many biologists 473 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: are themselves unsure whether one way is correct and which 474 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: that would be. For what it's worth, I say it 475 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: the more commonly heard way from my undergrad and if 476 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: you're wondering, I say it and here not Joe's cousins 477 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: spelled out p R I N. So it's like a 478 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: written joke, which I love. Oh yeah, always email us 479 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: best way to content. 480 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is. This is very illuminative on a 481 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: couple of levels, because this is a clearly very learned 482 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: individual who is writing to us, speaking to the perspective 483 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: of a very learned community who seem to be confused 484 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: about the pronunciation of words just as much as everybody else. 485 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: And I think it's it should be taken as a 486 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: as a good thing. And also to what you always 487 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: add to these types of questions when they come up 488 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: in is that it is a living language. It's about 489 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 2: usage more than it is necessarily about like hard and 490 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: fast rules. But you know, sure there are technically correct 491 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: pronunciations of things, but if one ends up rising to 492 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: the top of the food chain, then I would say 493 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: that one has just as much validity as the quote 494 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: unquote correct one, because at the end of the day, 495 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: like don't words just kind of come into being because 496 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: people say them and use them and are functional. 497 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea again of the of the living language, 498 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean, certain things have to be codified, right, we 499 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: have to in certain spheres of communication. We have to 500 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: know exactly what is being said and what that signifies 501 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: or entails. But we're not always doing you know, like 502 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: op second comms. You probably don't end most conversations with 503 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: over and out right. 504 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: It's fun maybe like it, oh especially just do a 505 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: little like you know, like all that good stuff. 506 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: But this is what This is something that I personally love. 507 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: I think we all really enjoy it about this show. 508 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: We have subject matter experts who write in and are 509 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: always so cool. Thank you to the experts and aviation 510 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: who have written in regarding various aspects of not just 511 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: the show, but are like personal goals, how to get 512 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: a pilot license and so on. Then thank you to 513 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: like the many biologists, the many hunters who wrote in 514 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: with some more on the ground experience about zombie deer 515 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: phenomenon chronic wasting disease. I think we can dedicate an 516 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: entire listener mail segment in a few weeks to the 517 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: feedback we've gotten just on that story. What do you think? Oh? 518 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: I hundred percent agree, ben So, since we're one short 519 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: of a quorum today, I don't really know the real 520 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: rules of parliamentary procedure, but I'm just using that to 521 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: say that we miss you, Matt, and we'll see you 522 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: when you get back. I thought we could maybe close 523 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: out today's episode with some reviews that you up. 524 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: I love that. 525 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I pitched it earlier. We had had also gone 526 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter or x or whatever it's called and asked 527 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: for some reviews. We've done this a little bit on 528 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: ridiculous history as well. Let's let's stick with the ones 529 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: that made us laugh. So we asked, and you responded. 530 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: We're just gonna give you some funny, some funny ones, 531 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: and then some wholesome ones. Here's one good show, says 532 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: Tims's fifty four. Excellent show. I see meathead ripe wingers 533 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: don't like your show. They want you to tell them. 534 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: QAnon is real and Tom Hanks drinks the blood of babies. No, 535 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: five stars, that was nice. 536 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: That was nice. I like that from Tims's fifty four. 537 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: Next time we got Happy Holly, Holly, Holy Days, Hollydays. 538 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: In lieu of presents, I'm leaving this five star review 539 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: to validate that Ben is very good at doing the podcast. 540 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: I did, I did, I did put my thought. I'm 541 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: on the scale there a little bit on Twitter. 542 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: I was fine with that. 543 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: Many please hand that to us in lieu of a gift. 544 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: The rest of us we got we're working on at 545 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: Swst swest all. We'll get there. We'll get to Ben's 546 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: level eventually. I'm kidding. We're a deep we do this 547 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: all together. But that is really nice. 548 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: This is a fun one. You might like well, h 549 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: Office Claw review id r C eleven j Z nine 550 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: says the good occasionally listen. Is this the best podcast? 551 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: Three question marks? No? Is it a good podcast to 552 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: listen to occasionally? One question mark? Yes, they covered some 553 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: interested topics. Five stars. 554 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: Wow. I love the official review ID. Didn't even have 555 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: a name, it just has an official review ID. And then, oh, 556 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: this is nice because I have these and this makes 557 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: me very happy if you do on mind, Ben, this 558 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: is my comfort show. I've been listening to this show 559 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen, and now I can't go to sleep 560 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: without it. I saw the negative reviews from angry weirdos, 561 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: so I figured I owe them a positive review after 562 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: for all these years, Ben, do you have a comfort show? 563 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: I got a couple, sure, yeah, many. I work out 564 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: to the Kubrick version of the Shining pretty often. 565 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: That's weird. I love that so much better. You've told 566 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: me that in the past. I just I'm glad that 567 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: gets you, gets your gets your your blood flowing, like 568 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: does it make your blood flow like out of a 569 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: giant elevator down a hallway? 570 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: It's yeah, there we go. I love it aalogy. It's 571 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: kind of a similar, it's kind of Pavlovian right, we 572 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: trade ourselves and and we want to also, by the way, 573 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: thank everybody who has taken the time to write to us. 574 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: Keep the reviews coming, we love reading them. Keep the 575 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: voicemails and the emails coming as well. 576 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, it is so funny because we obviously have 577 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: a wonderful community of folks who really value the show 578 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: and write into us, and we just you know, we 579 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: have enough to We do these listener mail things every 580 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: week and have nothing but interesting, thoughtful feedback and stories 581 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: and whatever. It just seems that there is a content 582 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 2: engine of folks that like to communicate their hatred for 583 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: us on the reviews but don't really engage with the show. So, 584 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, be the change you want to see. Folks, 585 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: if you write to us for listener mail and you 586 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: do like the show, help push some of these people 587 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: down in the in the in the reviews because it 588 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: hurts our feelings. I'm just kidding. It's really kind of 589 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: hilarious to the point of the first reviewer. It's honestly, 590 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 2: in many ways a badge of honor. It's just this 591 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 2: space that we work in, you know, the conspiracy kind 592 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: of theory space there there there is some toxicity and 593 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: negativity within it, and we try to be the opposite 594 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: of that, and I hope that's what makes us people's 595 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: comfort show. 596 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: In lieu of bribes. Please send kinder eggs, the real ones, 597 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: write to us and we'll give you the address off Mike. 598 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much to everybody who took 599 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: the time to call. Everybody who took the time to write. 600 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear from you. 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