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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm rolling

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Speaker 1: solo again today. My main man, Clay out on vacation

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Speaker 1: with the family, but given the news, I can assure

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Speaker 1: with me talking to all of you tomorrow, and he

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Speaker 1: will be. I was just last night texting with Clay

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Speaker 1: and I was saying, Oh, I'm thinking it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a pretty quiet newsday because we talk about stories what

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Speaker 1: And I was finishing up some notes for my little

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Speaker 1: history podcast on the Siege of Malta, which I like

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Speaker 1: to do, and then I got a text from my

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Speaker 1: is a brilliant legal mind who follows the happenings of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court very closely. There was an exclamation I

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Speaker 1: would say, where there was some colorful language with what

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Speaker 1: the heck is this Roe v. Wade looks like it

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Speaker 1: based on a draft version of a Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade looks like it is about to be overturned,

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Speaker 1: which I had anticipated was possible. I had thought, I

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Speaker 1: had said on this show, I thought this was going

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Speaker 1: to happen, But it wasn't supposed to be something we

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Speaker 1: would know one way or the other for weeks from now,

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Speaker 1: probably sometime in June. And yet the decision comes out early.

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Speaker 1: It's not an official decision. There's so much here, my friends.

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Speaker 1: There's the legality of what the politics of it, the

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Speaker 1: morality of what all this means. This is enormous in

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Speaker 1: its implications for the country. We're gonna work through this

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Speaker 1: together today. It could have a major impact on the

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Speaker 1: midterm elections, could have a major impact on power in

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Speaker 1: this country, which party will have it, what they do

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Speaker 1: with it, And of course on life, on the fight

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Speaker 1: for life first and most importantly, that has been underway

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Speaker 1: from the pro life movement for decades. Now. This isn't

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Speaker 1: the end of that fight. Even if Roe v. Wade

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Speaker 1: is overturned, as we all know, it just means that

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Speaker 1: now we're on the political playing field instead of excluded

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Speaker 1: from it by a disastrous Supreme Court decision. Really a

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Speaker 1: couple of Supreme Court decisions planned Parenthood v. Casey included

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Speaker 1: and Roe v. Wade. So we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: Shannon Bream of Fox News, Supreme Supreme Court reporter and

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Speaker 1: top legal analysts over there. We'll talk to her coming

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Speaker 1: up in a little bit about just the process issue.

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Speaker 1: Here a leak of what it may be arguably the

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Speaker 1: biggest Supreme Court decision of certainly of my lifetime. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but probably the biggest one if this comes down as

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Speaker 1: it is, is momentous. But you see, we're caught between

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Speaker 1: these different emotions right now, because on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: we have a glimpse those who believe in life in

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Speaker 1: this country, those who believe in the right of unborn

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Speaker 1: babies to live, have a glimpse of a much better, brighter,

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Speaker 1: more moral, ethical future for at least a lot of

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Speaker 1: the country. It's not going to change the law even

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Speaker 1: if this decision comes down in meaningful ways in places

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Speaker 1: like New York where I live in California, but in

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Speaker 1: other states, obviously, this could very well mean that the

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Speaker 1: state legislatures have a free hand to write the laws

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Speaker 1: to legislate as they see fit on this issue to

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Speaker 1: protect life, to find what the exact codification would be

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Speaker 1: at any phase except perhaps the life of the mother

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Speaker 1: at risk. But that's all what the legislature would be

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Speaker 1: left to do. But there's another huge issue. On the

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Speaker 1: future of a better or more just more decent country,

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Speaker 1: historical wrongs in fact in this country, which is the

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Speaker 1: abortion regime of the last fifty years. We are all

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Speaker 1: And that then brings me into the politics of this.

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Speaker 1: A leaked Supreme Court decision. Why did this happen, Who

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Speaker 1: read the draft last night. I read the opinion five four.

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Speaker 1: according to this draft. But the legal analysis of this

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Speaker 1: never lived in a non row, non planned parenthood vccy America, right,

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Speaker 1: didn't have leftists and including planned parenthood, running these these

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Speaker 1: for convenience. They have all these euphemisms, Oh it's for liberation,

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Speaker 1: They actually pretend there's a due process component to terminating

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Speaker 1: legality of the legal argumentation is actually not very complicated.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's you go into this, it's about it's

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Speaker 1: close to one hundred pages the decision. But when you

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Speaker 1: basics of it. There's no constitutional right to abortion. This

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Speaker 1: make any sense. But that was what we were all told, right,

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Speaker 1: They say, Oh, Roe v. Wade established a constitutional right

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Speaker 1: very concept of law itself. One of the ugliest decisions

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Speaker 1: So the legality of it, we could spend some time.

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Speaker 1: even leftists, some of them legal scholars, who are very

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Speaker 1: have been saying I even studied under one in college,

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Speaker 1: been absurd, It's a lie. But now the politics of this,

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Speaker 1: I've been asking on this show, as you know, Clay

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but they will not just

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Speaker 1: You see, it's now all coming together. What are they

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Speaker 1: all traceable too bad Democrat policymaking. So what was the plan?

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Speaker 1: Treachery against the very foundations of our legal injustice system,

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Speaker 1: live more, and just enjoy your life more with relief

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Speaker 1: I think a recession is at the stage almost inevitable

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Speaker 1: because they don't control supply, and we've seen how volatile

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Speaker 1: supply can be with the shutdown in China. We also

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Speaker 1: see uncertainly about oil prices up and down, etc. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, as I've said earlier, so which is

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Speaker 1: brew and the probability of a recession is I think, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: very very high because of the other challengers trying to

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Speaker 1: get this growing intuation under control and having so few

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Speaker 1: tools to do it and so little ability to control

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Speaker 1: the supply side of the economy. That was the former

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Speaker 1: chairman of the FED saying our recession is almost inevitable.

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Speaker 1: That's not good. Let's talk to Stephen Moore, now former

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Speaker 1: economic wiser to President Trump, co founder of the Committee

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Speaker 1: to Unleash Prosperity, and a senior economist at Freedom Work.

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Speaker 1: We promised we'd have him for yesterday. We've gotten feiter. Hey, Steve,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. I could hear you yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It's to be on the show. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I do think, by the way, that we still have

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Speaker 1: a chance at um stopping a recession, but we better

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Speaker 1: start getting going pretty soon. And we gotta we got

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Speaker 1: to stop the massive trillions of dollars of spending that

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Speaker 1: are going on in Washington. Uh, that is that is

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Speaker 1: the match that left this forest fire. So when I

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Speaker 1: hear Chucky Schumer and uh, you know, Nancy Pelosi and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: we to have more spending, more taxes, I just want

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Speaker 1: to pull how much of this do you think can

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Speaker 1: be reasonably set? Uh? You know, if we're going to

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Speaker 1: be fair minded about this, how much of what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing right now is a result of what the Biden

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Speaker 1: Democrats have done in the last fifteen months or so. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a number. You're not going to believe this,

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Speaker 1: but you can look it up because it happens to

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Speaker 1: be true. So when Trump left office, Buck, do you

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Speaker 1: want to take a guess of what the inflation rate

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Speaker 1: was in the US economy ary in January twenty twenty one?

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Speaker 1: One point eight percent? You're pretty close. One point five

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Speaker 1: not bad buster, Okay, pretty good? So think about that now.

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Speaker 1: But think about that, really, one point five percent in

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Speaker 1: January twenty twenty one, and here we are, what fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen months later, we're eight and a half percent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you screw things up that quickly? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought it was possible. So, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is a result of the massive You know, they spent

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Speaker 1: three trillion dollars above the normal budget. Remember they had

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Speaker 1: to build back well we by the way, can you

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Speaker 1: imagine if they had passed that five trillion dollars to

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Speaker 1: build back better bill? Thank God for Joe Manson. My god,

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Speaker 1: we have eighteen percent inflation right now we've passed that bill.

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Speaker 1: How much worse do you think inflation is gonna get

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Speaker 1: over let's say, the next six months or so, because

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Speaker 1: even if it stays at the current level, it's clearly

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Speaker 1: a major liability for Democrats in the mid terms. But

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Speaker 1: I've heard from people. We look, we just had the

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Speaker 1: former Fed Vice chair as a SoundBite saying that a

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Speaker 1: recession is almost inevitable. Between that and the possibility of

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Speaker 1: inflation going even a little bit higher, it feels like

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Speaker 1: we're heading into rough times here, Steve. I look, as

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, I still think it's not too late

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Speaker 1: to turn around this Titanic before it's the Iceberg. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing any moves in Washington that are moving

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Speaker 1: us that way. I mean, when you have Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: say we're going to raise taxes on the oil companies.

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Speaker 1: How's that explain that one to me? Buck? So we're

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Speaker 1: going to increase the tax on your old companies and

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Speaker 1: that's going to reduce the old prices. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 1: was wondering what even is the argument that Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: thinks he is making. I often have to frame this

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Speaker 1: for Democrats because they say things they say, well, how

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Speaker 1: is that even supposed to work? I can't explain it.

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Speaker 1: It's inexplicable. And then you know, and then you have

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Speaker 1: this talk about, you know, one and a half trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars of student loan quote forgiveness, and I have that

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Speaker 1: in air quotes because you know when they say forgiveness

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Speaker 1: as means you and I are gonna have to pay

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Speaker 1: that and the taxpayer as well. We're gonna have another

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Speaker 1: trillion to delost to the debt. We've got to bring

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Speaker 1: spending out. I want to be very clear on this

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Speaker 1: for your listeners. When you have eight and a half

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Speaker 1: percent inflation, remember we saw that report that came out

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Speaker 1: last week that showed negative growth for the first quarter

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Speaker 1: of the economy. The denominal growth, you know, before inflation

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Speaker 1: need the growth was pretty good. It was a pretty

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Speaker 1: good number. It was like six percent. But you've got

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Speaker 1: to get the eight and a half percent just to

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Speaker 1: stay even. You know what I mean, when you've got

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Speaker 1: an eight and a half percent inflation rate. So if

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Speaker 1: you've got a five or six percent pay raise, which

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Speaker 1: a lot of workers are getting, you're falling behind, right,

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Speaker 1: You're falling behind the inflation rate. When you're seeing what's

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Speaker 1: happened with the stock market. April was the worst month

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Speaker 1: for the stock market in many, many years. And that

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Speaker 1: was just in nominal terms. You know, when you take

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Speaker 1: into account inflation, because when you make an investment, you

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Speaker 1: want you want to make sure your investment returns are

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Speaker 1: keeping face with inflation. That's not happening. So we're in

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Speaker 1: a very precarious position right now, and until we get

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Speaker 1: that inflation rate down, we're not going to see much improvement.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to Stephen More, former economic advisor to President Trump

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Speaker 1: and a senior economist at Freedom Works, what does it

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Speaker 1: mean if if interest rates start to normalize, more of

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Speaker 1: interest rates keep going up, how is that going to

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Speaker 1: affect this picture? Well, by way, let me just use

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Speaker 1: an analogy, because I think this is really such a

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Speaker 1: critical point. You know, when talking about this eight and

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Speaker 1: a half percent inflation. You know, imagine when you get

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Speaker 1: up in the morning, Buck, I know, you go right

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Speaker 1: to the to the fitness center and you get on

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Speaker 1: that on that machine that you know rolls around. You

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Speaker 1: jag on the on the machine. Well, let's say you're

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Speaker 1: jagging at seven miles per hour, which is a pretty

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Speaker 1: good pace, but the machine is rolling at eight and

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Speaker 1: a half miles per hour. You're going to follow a

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Speaker 1: flat on your face, right, And that's kind of what's

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Speaker 1: happening with this economy we've got. We've got the rollers

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Speaker 1: going so fast because of inflation that nobody can keep

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Speaker 1: up with it. And now you are quite correct that

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Speaker 1: the that is going to take some corrective action. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they may act as soon as today. I don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly when they're going to make their move, but it

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Speaker 1: will be very soon, and that will be as many

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Speaker 1: as fifty basis points. So they'll raise the interest rates

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Speaker 1: by half a percentage point. It's about time. It's about

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Speaker 1: I've been saying. I think I said this on your

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Speaker 1: show six months ago. They should be raising rates and

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Speaker 1: so they've been way behind the curve and inflation and

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Speaker 1: to use another analogy, it's like a cancer cell in

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Speaker 1: your body. As soon as you're detected with cancer, God forbid,

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Speaker 1: you got to take that out right. You got to

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Speaker 1: get rid of those cancer cells. You can't let them metastasize.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're doing with inflation. We're not doing

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Speaker 1: anything about it. It's getting worse and worse and worse,

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Speaker 1: and it is going to kill the economy if it continues.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody in this administration who you think, and

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Speaker 1: you know I'm talking about cabinet officials and talking about Yellen,

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Speaker 1: you know, Janet Yellen who gets it and might try

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Speaker 1: to steer things more in the right direction. Because if

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Speaker 1: we're relying on Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Jen Saki

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Speaker 1: to make macroeconomic decisions, it's it's time to head for

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Speaker 1: the bunker. You're exactly right. So you know, I'm a Republican,

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Speaker 1: I'll admit that, you know, and I don't always love

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Speaker 1: the Republicans by any means, but but I have to

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Speaker 1: give people like Bill Kick credit. You know, he had

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Speaker 1: Bob Rubin, Remember Bob Rubin, He was his treasure secretary.

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Speaker 1: And Bob Rubin was a very sound minded guy. I

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Speaker 1: didn't always agree with him, but he understood you gotta

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Speaker 1: keep your deficits under control. You've got to have a

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Speaker 1: good economy. There's no Robert Rubin in this administration. I

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Speaker 1: am so disappointed with Janet Yellen. I mean so disappointed.

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Speaker 1: She's gone completely woke on us. She seems to have

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Speaker 1: forgotten all the good economics she learned when you know,

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Speaker 1: when she was head of the American Economic Association and

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Speaker 1: so on, and it's all become political with her. So

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Speaker 1: I hate to say this, Buck, but I can't point

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Speaker 1: to a single person in this administration who understands the

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Speaker 1: basics of running a business, run running an economy. They're

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Speaker 1: just not there. I mean, Pete bautisac come on, I

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Speaker 1: mean think about this. You've got a transportation sectory who

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Speaker 1: knows nothing about transportation. You get a health secretary knows

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Speaker 1: nothing about health. You got a commerce sector and never

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Speaker 1: run a business. You get an energy secretary who is

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Speaker 1: who you know is a former governor who knows nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the remember of the Saturday Night

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Speaker 1: Live ready not ready for prime time players? Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: this is the that's what we have in the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: They're not ready for prime time players. And if I

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Speaker 1: were advising Biden, I'd say bring some people into this

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Speaker 1: administration who knows something about how to run a business,

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Speaker 1: how to make a payroll, and how to run an economy.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't I hate to say this, I don't

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Speaker 1: see any do you, Buck? I mean, who who do

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Speaker 1: you turn? No, I was wondering. You know you're you're

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Speaker 1: the economist, so I'm said you're one. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: gotta know you've got a friend named friend named Bob

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Speaker 1: or Tom or something who works at Treasury, who's up

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Speaker 1: high and can actually make some good things happen. Because

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Speaker 1: I know the players in this White House and they're

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Speaker 1: not going to get it done. And so I got

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Speaker 1: a safety. You're not making me feel any better about

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Speaker 1: the economic future we've got for the next six months. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll quote my buddy Larry Cudlow, you know Larry,

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Speaker 1: of course, and Larry says it very well. The cavalry

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Speaker 1: is coming. I mean, people are sat up with this.

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Speaker 1: The question is whether we Yeah, but is it coming

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Speaker 1: in three years? Steven? I mean that's really you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a ways for a lot of economic pain. Can

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Speaker 1: happen in the next three years, and to that end,

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Speaker 1: the Republicans going into this midterm to make sure the

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Speaker 1: cavalry can come. To continue with the analogy for a second,

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Speaker 1: what should be their primary economic message? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously things are bad, we know that, we talked about

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Speaker 1: that on the show every day. With inflation and a

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Speaker 1: whole range of economic issues. What should Republicans say they

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Speaker 1: would do differently, Well, get back to the get back

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Speaker 1: to the Trump policies. I mean, look, I didn't always

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Speaker 1: agree with Trump's behavior. I didn't agree with some of

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Speaker 1: the things he did on the election and you know,

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But his policies, just his policies

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Speaker 1: on deregulating the economy, getting tough with China, promoting American energy,

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Speaker 1: We're reducing taxes to make American more efficient, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting tough on crime. All of those policies were very

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Speaker 1: common sectical. I can't tell you how many times people

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Speaker 1: come up to me, even Democrats, say, you know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't like Trump very much, but I like what he did.

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Speaker 1: If I liked his policies, so why can't I really

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Speaker 1: honestly believe this is why I'm so frustrated right now, Buck,

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Speaker 1: if Trump were president today, the accounty we would be

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Speaker 1: absolutely booming. I mean, I agree, So I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope we can set this or start

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Speaker 1: to set this right. Coming up in the mid terms,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Moore, everybody go check out his stuff at Freedom Works.

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Speaker 1: Steven always appreciate it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks Buck anytime.

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Speaker 1: Take care. Talking a lot about the economy, and you

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Speaker 1: the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck

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Speaker 1: Clay out for the day, and as promised, we got

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Speaker 1: the one and only Bill O'Reilly with us. Now. He's

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Speaker 1: got a new book out and he's got seventeen number

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Speaker 1: one bestsellers already. This new one is Killing the Killers,

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Speaker 1: the Secret War against Terrorists, and obviously Bill you know

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Speaker 1: from TV for many years. Bill, thanks for calling in

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Speaker 1: so Clay dodging me. Huh? Is that what I'm hearing here?

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Speaker 1: He's actually with the fam down. That's all right. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to talk with you, Buck, but you tell Clay

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Speaker 1: when he comes back, I want to be back with

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Speaker 1: him too. He looks forward to having a having a

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Speaker 1: good old fashioned throw it out on all the topics

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Speaker 1: of the day. I promise you, Bill, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you first because, and we played some audio from

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Speaker 1: I said back in October on this issue specifically of Row,

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Speaker 1: you will see a ferocity and an underhandedness that will

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Speaker 1: surprise a lot of people about the left unless you

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Speaker 1: were watching the Cavanaugh thing closely. I mean, just on this,

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Speaker 1: I've been calling a treachery on this leak of a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court document of this magnitude. What do you see

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Speaker 1: going on here? Well, you're one hundred percent correct. Zealots

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Speaker 1: on the far left. This is one of their key

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Speaker 1: issues and they don't want any intrusion ever on abortion. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: So you get a headache a half hour before you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to give birth, you can abort the baby. That's

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Speaker 1: what they say. And when it looked like the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court was going to limit abortion, somebody leaked it out.

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Speaker 1: Now it's up to the FBI to really find that person.

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Speaker 1: Do I have any confidence that will be a robust investigation. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. But for us in America, who want the

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Speaker 1: best for every American, including pro choice people, I think

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Speaker 1: that everyone needs to calm down. So it looks to

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Speaker 1: me like the states will have the power to regulate

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Speaker 1: abortion after the June ruling by the Supreme Court. But

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Speaker 1: abortion is not going to be banned. It'll be difficult

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Speaker 1: to get in places like Oklahoma and Mississippi, but states

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Speaker 1: like California and New York are even now writing new

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Speaker 1: laws that say, come on up, we'll give you the

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Speaker 1: abortion here, and probably the taxpayer will pick up some

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Speaker 1: of the tab for you. So that's the likely outcome.

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Speaker 1: What do you think this does to the and just

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Speaker 1: looking at this from a political lens, putting aside the

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Speaker 1: legal and the memorial debates and arguments that this obviously

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Speaker 1: brings up. But Democrats were floundering, right, I mean, they

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Speaker 1: were having a really tough time trying to come up

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Speaker 1: with any explanation for why almost two you know, a

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Speaker 1: year a year and change and dibide in second second,

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Speaker 1: the Europe's first term that the Democrat Party should stay

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Speaker 1: in power. Right, the economy is not good, the border

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Speaker 1: is not good, crime is high, biggest war in Europe

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Speaker 1: since World War Two, which should have been prevented anyway,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things where they can't spin it. So, Bill,

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Speaker 1: do you think this is the mobilization point that they

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Speaker 1: need or is it not going to work out that way? Well,

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Speaker 1: it'll work to their advantage slightly. Some women in particular

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Speaker 1: will go over and make abortion the centerpiece of their

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Speaker 1: vote in November, but the economy is so shaky and

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Speaker 1: people are getting hurt every day that that's going to

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Speaker 1: overwhelm the abortion issue, particularly when the ruling comes down,

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Speaker 1: and it's not as drack Coonian as the corrupt corporate

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Speaker 1: media is making it seem today. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of advantage to the left in November,

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Speaker 1: but I still think they're going to get wiped out

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Speaker 1: big time. We're speaking of Bill O'Reilly, author of Killing

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Speaker 1: the Killers, The Secret War against Terrorists, which is just

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Speaker 1: out now and said before or he's got so many

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Speaker 1: bestsellers now in the Killing series. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be added to and I'm sure already Bill, I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you about crime, because you know, Eric Adams

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Speaker 1: showed up at the Met gall Were you with the

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Speaker 1: Metcalibanny Chen's bill? I just wondered, Yeah, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know you're a tall guy, so we would have seen

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Speaker 1: you in the photo of that. You never in a

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Speaker 1: million years if they invite someone like me to the

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Speaker 1: little contact, Yeah, it will just say it would get

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Speaker 1: a lot of buzz on the red carpet, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Fun just putting that out there for na Winter to hear.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Eric Adams shows up. He's got this

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Speaker 1: end gun violence tuxedo on crime since he took office. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: I know he got it. He inherited a bad situation,

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Speaker 1: but he's the mayor, right, he signs up for this

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Speaker 1: and he comes in on the primary issue of turning

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Speaker 1: it around. I don't I don't think that I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: a seriousness from him or quite honestly, any of the

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Speaker 1: Democrats in charge of him. And name a major city Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Seattle, Atlanta, go down the list, right, Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it just has to be a

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Speaker 1: wipe out in the mid terms to be four they

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Speaker 1: turn the ship in the right direction here to get

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Speaker 1: crime numbers down. How does that play out? Well, they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get crime numbers down in New York for

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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future because the DA's and four of the

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Speaker 1: five boroughs won't prosecute crime. That's the You know, Adams

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Speaker 1: could jump up and down and say whatever he wants,

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Speaker 1: and the police can arrest all kinds of people. But

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Speaker 1: if they're not going to be prosecuted, and the criminals

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Speaker 1: know they will not be that's not gonna stop crime.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're seeing in San Francisco, in Chicago, the

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Speaker 1: anarchy of lawlessness because the criminals know they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna be punished, So why not car jack?

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Speaker 1: This is not even gonna happen to us. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna go to jail and probably not even have to

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Speaker 1: go to court, not gonna have to sit in the jail.

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Speaker 1: So because there's no bail laws in New York. So Adams,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he could do certain things if

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Speaker 1: he really wanted to. And I said, quite simply, you

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Speaker 1: want to send a message, Mayor Adams, you want us

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Speaker 1: to believe you clean up ten station. You can do

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Speaker 1: it in two days. I could do it in two days, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you could probably do it in a day and a half.

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Speaker 1: You send the cops in, you sweep these people up,

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Speaker 1: You say you can't stay here. It's a public health

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Speaker 1: menace that you're here. Get out, You bring in sanitation

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Speaker 1: to clean the place up, and pressed though you got

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Speaker 1: a brand new train station, Adam is going to do that. No,

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Speaker 1: unless he sends a message that he's serious, the crime

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Speaker 1: cycle will increase in New York City as it has

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Speaker 1: in Chicago, La San Francisco, Portland, Oregon. On and on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. Bill, I did want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about the new book here and this one, this

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Speaker 1: topic is well, it's particularly one that resonates with me

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Speaker 1: because I was somebody who quite honestly, you know, my

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Speaker 1: dad's a Manhasset guid Go by the way, So we

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Speaker 1: got we got some Long Island stuff in common, right,

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Speaker 1: But I grew up in New York City. Kid. I

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Speaker 1: figured I would go work for some company or something.

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Speaker 1: Nine to eleven happen and I go, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: get into this fight somehow. I'm going to figure out

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Speaker 1: some way I find myself in the CIA kind of

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Speaker 1: terrorism centered deployed to Iraq, the ploy to Afghanistan as

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Speaker 1: a Ford deployed analyst. And you know this changed my life,

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Speaker 1: right that I changed so many lives obviously, but this

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Speaker 1: changed my life, This war on terror? What are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you getting m What are you talking about

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Speaker 1: in this book that people need to know about that

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Speaker 1: maybe they either haven't learned before or is it mostly

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Speaker 1: just an overview of everything? So it's what's what's the

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Speaker 1: you know, what's the thing you want people to take

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Speaker 1: away from it? All Right, you're gonna love this book

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Speaker 1: when you read a book, Okay, and Travis is gonna

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Speaker 1: love it too. Every page is going to tell you

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Speaker 1: something you don't know, even though you yourself are an

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Speaker 1: expert on this topic. Because we were able to talk

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Speaker 1: to all of the national security people from the Bush

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Speaker 1: administration onto the end of the Trump administration and we

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Speaker 1: got the inside story about Afghanistan and Biden that ends

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Speaker 1: the book. The raid on bid Laden begins the book

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Speaker 1: The Anniverse? Who Is Yesterday? Most of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: we have in the book has never been put out

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Speaker 1: there before. Much of it is classified information to this day.

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Speaker 1: What Americans need to know is the war on terrat

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Speaker 1: is now heating up oh God, is reconstituting in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: ISIS is reconstituting in western Iraq and northern Syria. The

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Speaker 1: Biden administration is not paying attention to this theater because

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Speaker 1: they're tied up with Putin and Ukraine and all of that.

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Speaker 1: But these boys are hell bent on getting in here

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Speaker 1: and blowing up as much as they can blow up

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Speaker 1: and killing as many innocent Americans as they can. Now

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Speaker 1: to counter that, we have unbelievable weaponry, and we describe it,

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Speaker 1: and this is what's constraining Putin in Europe. He knows

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Speaker 1: we have these weapons. Putin himself knows we can vaporize

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Speaker 1: him in two hours if we choose to. These weapons

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Speaker 1: are unbelievable. They're deployed now in space. Take you through them.

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Speaker 1: These space weapons are actually run at a Nevada. Did

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Speaker 1: you know that? To neither confirm nor deny Bill Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: very few people buck know it, but we were able

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Speaker 1: to trace it down. And this is what vaporized Baghdaddy.

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Speaker 1: So leamani the leaders of book oh Haram, and we

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Speaker 1: take you through it. We put you there. And the

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Speaker 1: final thing that I think Americans will respond to is

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Speaker 1: kayla Muller, twenty six year old humanitarian worker from Arizona,

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Speaker 1: kidnapped by ISIS in Syria. Okay Isis demanded a ransom,

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Speaker 1: dated her parents. We got the emails. Her parents cooperated

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Speaker 1: with US. Al Baghdaddy himself raped Kayla and ordered her murder.

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Speaker 1: When you read her story, how harrowing it is. And

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Speaker 1: then you see how we got Baghdaddy through coercid interrogation,

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Speaker 1: which the left scream then ow doesn't work. It works,

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Speaker 1: and it's still being done. So this book is one

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Speaker 1: of those things you'll never forget. It is the best

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Speaker 1: reporting I have ever done in my entire career. Killing

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Speaker 1: the killers, the secret war against terrorists out now the

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Speaker 1: author Bill O'Reilly, Bill, always appreciate you making time for us.

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Speaker 1: Come back soon. We'll make sure a clay's around. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he will not. There will be no clay

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