WEBVTT - MLB: Leading Off May 7th, 2024 (EP. 806) 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.399 Welcome everybody to Fantasy Bros. MLB. This is Meeting Off Live, 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.600 brought to you by Bet three six five. Use that 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.840 Plomo code leading off. When you sign up at bet 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:15.640 three six five bet five bucks, get one hundred and 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.119 fifty in bonus bets. Oh my god, it's unbelievable. Look 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.880 it's the Welsh, it's Joey p and of course it's you, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.919 the Peanuts and the cracker Jacks and everything's back to 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.680 normal here on the yard today. So no technical difficulties, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.240 thank goodness. Welsh. At the top of the show, I 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.440 have something for you. Would you like to have it? 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:34.760 Oh? 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:35.320 I don't know. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.240 I don't know if I want to have it not. Actually, 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:38.520 he got. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.560 A load of question. I'm gonna show you my oh face, 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.919 oh oh oh Tahani home run yesterday, Baby, let's go. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.080 Uh so I'm up on the board again. Let's get 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.360 after it. I know a lot of you on social 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.000 media yesterday saw it and like, up, Joe's gonna be annoying, 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.080 And I said, well, how is that different than any 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:58.960 other day? Welsh? 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.960 Yeah, I see those homers go four hundred and forty 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.320 ozh no feet, I'm like, there we go I can't. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.160 It all fairness, anybody on the Dodgers yesterday was probably 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:10.440 a good investment. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.800 Well, also it was one of those classic days if 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.360 you guys remember at the end of the show where 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.560 I talked myself, I was like, by the way, kind 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.919 of really like Bryce Harper, but let's go with Bobby Witt. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.000 I just I do this all the time. I will 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.200 literally say the guy that I should kick, but I'm like, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.880 but I'm stupid, so I'm gonna take that one. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.440 I got the solution for you. You need a dummy 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.120 discord account where you have like the anti Welsh and 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.480 then eventually Anti Welsh gets enough home runs when it 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.199 is like the second guest Welsh, like Welsh Junior or whatever. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.320 The melchh it'll just be a w But oh it's 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:47.760 very good. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.000 That's very like bad? Is it? Is it the Melchi's 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.640 comic book? Is it the Melch? I love this is 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.800 here Jerry Nelson enjoying a chicken cutlet sandwich and hanging 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.520 out with us. There's nothing better than I just had 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:00.720 a chicken cut live before I came home. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.920 What's a Cutlet no, I know, listen, but like, how 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.680 would you describe a cutlet more than like a fried 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:09.320 all right. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.880 I make out standing chicken Cutlets my children know this. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.800 First of all, you gotta get good chicken. You can't 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.639 just go by a like. You gotta get I got 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.400 the chicken part. You pound out the chicken. You do 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.799 the egg, the flour, the bread crumbs, you fry them up. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.520 Look the baking you want to you want to live forever. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.120 Good for you. A proper chicken Cutlet you pound the 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.920 hell out of it, get it a little thinner, and 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.480 then you go ahead and you fry that bad boy. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.600 A little bit of salt at the end. Boom. You 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.440 make sure your salt and pepper, a little garlic powder two. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.040 I like to do before I dredge them. But that's 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:39.560 that's how you. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.840 Know what makes it Cutlet what exactly makes the cut 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:43.280 and the lid. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.799 Let's move on. I don't know. I don't know. Let's 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.720 talk about more good things. Cole Reagan's six innings hit 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.800 the strikeout number. It was a good day, Welsh, it's 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.760 a good day. We're up finally back rock and roll. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:02.000 Zach Wheeler eleven strikeouts for clearly the young leader right 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.800 now in the National League. Like he is the guy 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.760 to beat. So the question is welsh Ken Zach Wheeler 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.240 maintained this pace. Somebody on extra hit me up. My 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.880 pitching stinks, my hitting is great. Can I trade Freddy 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.880 Freeman for Zach Wheeler? I said he could. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.000 Could you trade Freddy Freeman for Wheeler? 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:18.320 I think that's all right. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.400 I don't think, well, no, you could do it. I 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.080 don't think you're going to do it. I think with 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.160 the landscape of pitching, I think Zach Wheeler might be 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.160 one of the toughest dudes to go acquire right now. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.560 Any really really good starting pitcher is gonna cost way 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.560 more on the hitting front that you want. I think 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.000 I'd be willing to. I think it's an even even 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.680 Stevens type of deal. But you know, like the lack 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.640 of walks in the positive way for Wheeler, the big strikeouts. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.880 I kind of wanted to play a ladder yesterday with 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.800 Wheeler and didn't work out. But yeah, I mean you 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.840 got the offensive support. He looks as locked in as 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.840 all can be. But yeah, I think it's gonna cost 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.560 like first round type of talent. Freeman's interesting because I 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.800 think if I were to present, we were to do 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.200 a poll and we were like, would you trade Alley 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.960 Day La Cruz for Zach Wheeler. I feel like people 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.160 would like freak out, like, oh my god, but Ellie's 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.560 got the upside. But even though like Freddy Freeman is 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.080 so safe, there's a little bit of a boringness to him. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.080 Not elite you know, stolen bases, not elite homers. He's 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.920 just good everywhere. People would be more willing to move 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.520 a Freddy Freeman for Zach Wheeler than they would an 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.520 Ellie Da La Cruz. But those are the names that 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.159 I think would probably take to get a Zack Wheeler 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:26.360 right now. And is that gonna be worth it? 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:26.800 Don't? 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:27.400 I don't know. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.880 A cutlet, by the way, the official definition a thin 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.160 slice of meat from the leg, ribs, or other parts 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.440 of veal, pork, or chicken. So typically like you take 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.159 a one single piece of chicken breast and then you 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.720 pound it out. You gotta pound it. You gotta tenderize 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:44.080 your meat. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:45.120 You pound your meat. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:46.760 That's how you get your stress out. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:47.840 But how do you do it? 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.960 You do it like this, gee, geek, that's how you 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.560 do it. You do it like that. Yeah. Walker Buehler 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.159 returned to the mound three runs for innings Monday's game 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:03.479 against the the Marlins there, so again good to have 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.159 him back healthy. Justin Steele also returned yesterday four and 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.440 two thirds shutout inning, So Steele was better. Uh. San 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.279 Diego offense continues to struggle, by the way, just saying 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.320 I love the Cubby today with him Monaga on the 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.039 mound against against was it Randy Vasquez. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.039 And the padrest up? 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.720 Nobody in that lineup said Louisa Rise has seen in 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.800 Monaga yet and he was over against him. So just saying, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.920 today's Imanaga. But what do you think about Wheeler and 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.200 Tom Wheeler? What did you think about Steel and Walker Buehler. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.240 Yeah, I want to talk about Wheeler. So so you 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:40.480 got that when you said Zach Wheeler earlier Walker Buehler. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.839 If you put it together, it's Wheeler. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.480 The fake players that we've created. We have got this 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.359 roster of like MLB the show, fake players and my 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.560 John Wick characters all stars. But yeah, yeah, yeah, well whatever, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.039 it's a seventh year into MLB the Show or something 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.840 like that. But getting back to Walker Bueler. Walker Bueler 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.360 twenty two percent, with rate overall twenty seven percent CSW. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.599 He was only he was averaging like ninety one on 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.440 the cutter. But the fastball that was kind of like 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.320 the big thing. That thing was back. It was actually 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.880 up over that last time we had seen him. It 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.200 was averaging just at ninety six. That was key to me. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.279 So all the different variations of fastballs that he throws, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.600 solid knuckle curve in there, getting some whifts thirty three 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.400 percent with rate, I actually thought it was really encouraging. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.760 And you guys heard me. I was like, not super 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.120 into Walker Buehler for this first start. He did give 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.040 up some early on, but that was good on the 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.520 Justin Steel side. MO man, my man, Justin Steel looked 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.520 pretty locked in. I did say this was probably not 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.000 the start to go a big I wanted to do 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.719 the strikeouts early on, but you know, going up against 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.840 the Padres, that wasn't the first play to it. But 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.120 you know, like you can be comfortable with Justin Steel 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.120 clearly moving forward, and I really think it's more about 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.400 Walker Buhler here. Walker Buehler looks like he is in 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.480 that oldish form, So I feel very positive about that. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:06:59.159 Though, very good. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.520 Yeah, I wonder if you consider moving him after a 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.880 couple starts knowing the trade in history. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.800 It's interesting. Okay, here we go, Walker Buehler for Jared Duran, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.840 who would rather have rest of season? Hmm, I know, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:14.960 I I don't know. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.080 Yeah you do today, I don't. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:18.320 I haven't had. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.440 I guess today I will go. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.000 Before the show and that look at it all that 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:24.720 protein's just surging through my veins. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.080 Right, You guys don't understand, by the way, how difficult 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:31.160 it is on our time zones. It's lunchtime, crazy time 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.800 for Joe. I'm tired. It's like nine in the morning. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.680 I get up at seven in the morning to get 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.920 ready for the show. And Joe's like, I've had my day, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.480 blah blah blah, like our energies. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.559 I've already been to the gym, I've already eaten my 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.040 my protein. I'm already you know, had three meetings recorded 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.400 to videos. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.320 Yeah, I know, it's it's crazy, but I might only 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:54.360 Walker Buehler because of the the Dodgers and just like 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.840 the pitching market in general. But I'm talking about like 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.480 selling high stop laughing. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.680 Everybody enjoyed Walsh's last day on the program today. It's 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:03.240 been a good run. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.360 Okay, I wasn't the one that was like this for show. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.840 I was just showing people how a cutlet is prepared. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.720 I know, and that's all I'm talking about. I don't 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.240 know what you're talking about. You pounded on Jack Flaherty. Still, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.880 Jack Flaherty, what I mean? This is not something I 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.800 saw coming. I thought, again, I think I said this 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.160 on this show. If not, I said it on the 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:24.560 TV show. I said, there was a part of me 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:24.880 this year. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.400 It was like, huh, Jack Flaherty, what if this is 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.280 the year where Jack Flaherty kind of like puts it 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:29.760 back together. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.840 Wouldn't that be something that question I did. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.600 I asked that question aloud and I went nah, and 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.400 I just like, I can't do this, and I wish 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.760 I did six more strikeouts and six innings. They did 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.400 loose to the Guardians, but he only gave up two runs. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.120 It was still a really good start for Jack Flaherty. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.599 Now here's the thing. It's been really solid for the 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.640 first like six starts for this guy. Is this the 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.480 perfect example of the prototypical I don't know if he's 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.040 in your video this week of the Cell High Guy, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:58.000 because Flaherty so far has been unbelievable. He's been free. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.760 There is a script you could write, the injuries come 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.040 back around. There is a script you could write where obviously, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.760 you know the Detroit Tigers are still very much a negative, 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.640 a work in progress where they're still, you know, not 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.439 very good. When you look at the deeper stats of 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.000 Jack Flaherty too, just to kind of throw this out there, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.760 three eight six ERA on the year he's expected ERA 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.839 two nine nine is x FIP two two four. So 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.360 this is not like smoke and mirrors. So do you 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:22.880 hold or do you sell Flarity? 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.560 I'm a sell. I mean, this might be one of 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.960 those like jo just Welsh is going to be dead 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.880 on wrong the whole year. That's fine. I don't buy it. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.559 I don't buy the Flarity stuff long term. I understand, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.760 like what he's doing is amazing, but he hasn't been consistent. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.000 Like that's the thing. That's the only thing about him 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.640 is he's been wildly inconsistent. I was trying to look 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.720 at this right now and I'm not finding it. All Right, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.400 here we go. I wanted to look at pitch values 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.040 on Flarity because one thing feels very Eric Lauer from 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.640 a couple of years ago esque is just how like 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.000 dominant his fastball is right now because in this last 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.640 start nine hour I know, well, no Eric, like two 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.079 years ago, he had like one of the highest rated 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.920 pitch values of a fastball, the most whist. His fastball 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.560 was destroying everybody. But that is a very like reliever 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.760 type thing, like starting pitchers getting all of your whifts 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.400 and stuff like that. They just don't usually like long 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.120 term holt when it's all about the fastball. Clairy had 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.920 nine whiffs of forty one percent whiff rate on his 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.640 fastball in this last start nine swing and whiffs five 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.240 on the slider. It's been good. So I'm saying all 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.719 this to say, all right, I wanted to see what 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.680 do his pitch values look like. His slider is currently 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.800 the one hundred and eleventh, but it's a positive. His 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.280 fastball is a positive, but it's only at a one 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.360 or no. That is his curveball. His fastball right now, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:46.840 even though he got all those whiffs, this is what 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.520 I'm leading to negative six run value. A negative six. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.720 That fastball is doing a lot of stuff that is 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.080 still not massively valuable, and I don't think the secondaries 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.280 are as good. He's probably way out performing because he 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.280 wasn't even on my radar. I'm like, Jack Flairity, get 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:06.800 out of my face, get out of my right. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.960 Well, let's talk about the opponents too. He's faced the 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.840 White Sox, the A's, the Twins twice, Tampa's offense, the 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.480 Cardinals offense, the strikes out a ton and Cleveland. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.400 Every single one of those but Cleveland massive strikeout. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:19.720 Guys. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.400 Here's where I'm wrong. Flaerity has value where I'm like, nope, never, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.160 not going to do it. But what I do love 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.320 at this point, like you alluded to, there are some 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.360 underlying stats that speak pretty well to him. I would 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.880 sell him. Maybe you could sell him for Walker Buehler 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.440 right now. Probably not because I don't think anyone believes. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.440 Yeah, no one's gonna buy a you know, this wasn't 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.240 gonna buy a guy on the Tigers over a guy 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.280 on the Dodgers. But I think it is more of 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:45.439 a what was that face? 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.720 Just fixing? Sorry because I don't know if you're looking. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.120 I was just like me, You're still on camera, so everyone, no, no, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.960 but like literally made this ca you went. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.320 Well, no, Greece, listen, I have a relationship with the 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.720 audience sometimes when you're reading sheets and stuff like that, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.280 and I was just letting them know I acknowledge it, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:05.560 but you made. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.920 You made like the the duck face kind of thing 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.000 that you were like. It was very Oh my god, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:11.880 get pretty for leading off. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.040 Oh my god, I. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.800 Do single double walk twice. So hopefully he starting to 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.280 pull out of things. I told you you're missing your 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.640 window to buy on Nick Castiano's by now rookie, lookie, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.400 little sad here thing. Parker Meadows expected to be optioned 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.640 today to Triple A. I know that was one of 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.280 your guys, but it's okay. Things will get better. Mason 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.040 Black not very good yesterday, five runs, eight hits, four 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.839 and a third against the Phillies. Paul Skeens scheduled to 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.520 pitch for Triple A again this week. Welsh, this was 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.240 not in the plant. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.679 No, this was this was a counterplan because I had 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.040 said I thought this start coming up was the Paul 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.680 Skins start. Here's the one thing though, the last start 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.559 he wasn't very good. The previous one we nailed it 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.720 seventy five pitches, so this was the start we needed eighty. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.680 He went sixty six. He went less because he walked 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.800 a few, he gave up his first homer. I don't 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.440 really understand why they babied him down. Part of me 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.440 was like, Oh, maybe they're babying him down a tiny 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.080 bit to get him going. I'm baffled by this stuff. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.800 Might be the next start. If it's not the next start, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.400 then I clearly don't know what the hell I'm talking 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.720 about and I can't figure it out. But I thought 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.280 it was this one. So it's either the seventeenth or 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.080 the eighteenth. And here are the two starts, though both 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.480 are against the Cubs. Why did I think they would 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.120 do it on this one? Because it's at home? They 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.480 could he could face the Cubs at home in Pittsburgh. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.480 Otherwise it's going on the road to Chicago. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.240 If you want the big gate, I get that. You know, 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.040 you want to have that big first start at home. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.120 I'm all for that. Give you know, Pirates fans have 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:40.439 not had a lot to cheer about in the last 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.800 ten years. Give him something. Here's a question from Andy 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.200 t Our, Pier's going to shut down Jared Jones at 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.320 some point in backfield with Skens. No, they're gonna shut 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:48.960 them both down at some point. I hate to break 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:49.440 it that everybody. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:50.880 I don't think they will, don't. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:52.800 I think no. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.840 I think they're managing. I think they're managing. If they're 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.240 in it, they're not shutting these guys down. If they 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.720 are completely completely out of it, then they're just gonna 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.600 like baby. I don't know if there'll be any like 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.240 massive actual shutdown. They're babying Paul Skins right now in 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.360 theory to not have to do crazy babying at the 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.760 back end of the year. Jared Jones that, I mean, 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.000 you know, if certain starts they didn't let him go 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.160 sixty pitches. I don't know. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:15.000 I don't here. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.880 We also just don't know what's going on with the pirates. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.960 Why would you not have Paul skin Why is Mason 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.240 Black making it to the majors and Paul Skins isn't 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.200 when he's the most dominant minor league pitcher we've seen 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.480 since like Steven Strasburger or I think Strasburg Major. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.520 It's funny you said that. I was thinking the other day, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.040 which I don't do too often because I know that's 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.320 probably dangerous thing for me, But I was thinking, you know, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.800 about pitching prospects with this level of hype and anticipation, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.400 and of course Strasburg comes to mind, sure, and we 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.840 all know what became of that, which was bouts of 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.920 disappointment and injury with every now and then sporadic greatness. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.320 I think is that fair? Is that a fair assessment 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.200 of the Strasburg career. Mark Pryor was another guy I 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.000 thin of Mark Pryor to you, and that's why we're friends. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.600 So Mark Pryor is another one where you had the 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.120 oh my god, this guy is gonna be camp missed. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.880 We all drooled over ourselves, invested over invested, and it 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.800 was short lived and never had at least Strasburg had 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.600 the other glimpses. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.600 You're going down a path. People are not going to 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:20.720 like where you're chating. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.840 I know. And then fred Dinger got the other one here, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.160 which is Kerry Wood again the same kind of thing. Now, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.840 Carrie Wood did last a little while, and carry Wood 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.640 did have like a little second life there towards the 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.600 end of relief and stuff like that. But still it 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.600 is difficult, you know, even going back to the ages 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.560 of Dwight Gooden back in the eighties, right where you 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.800 have this pitching prospect that is just so thunderous and 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.320 everybody he must see television. It doesn't always work out well. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.520 And I'm not saying Skeens is gonna be that guy 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.280 like Skens could turn out to be Roger Clemmins, you know, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.000 where he's just great and he has a Hall of 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.520 fam career and he delivers on that. But it is 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.600 worth noting that it feels like, more often than not, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.520 every time I tried to find one of these guys 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.200 that had this level of hype around him and this 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.600 level of anticipation coming to fruition and actually being what 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.880 we wanted it to be, it hasn't worked out more 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.000 often than not. And I don't want that to be 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.320 the case, be cause Skens is good for baseball. But 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.920 at the same time, Welsh, do you have that same 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.160 reservation that I do where you're kind of like watching 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.440 and hiding your eyes at the same time. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.080 I don't. I just don't approach like players like that, like, oh, hey, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.120 there are other guys that were super good, so this 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.640 guy that's super good might not be that. Like, yeah, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.440 there is a big track record when you go through 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.720 the players, but the game continuously changes, the management of players, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:39.200 change of the injuries are changing players and stuff like that. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.920 I just think it's good to be critical, even though, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.920 like I was thinking about this the other day, like 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.160 the com Manzarto stuff. Commennzarto comes up to the majors 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.920 and for you know, three strikeouts in the first one 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.880 and we kind of talk so glowingly and stuff like that, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.960 and I can but no, but you can understand, like 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.080 people get frustrated and stuff like that. It's just because 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.320 baseball is unlike any other sport and how long it 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.480 takes or the game to fully catch up. And sometimes 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:03.280 guys has. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.440 More failure always because you fail seventy percent of the time. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.400 You're great with pitchers, you fail seventy percent at the time. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.840 You're out of the bleep Mackenzie Gore before. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.239 I mean, if we're getting blasted by Mackenzie go no, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.240 no no, But I'm saying, like Mackenzie Gore was tippy 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.760 top and then kind of came back and then it's 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.679 like slowly been finding himself. There's a lot of Jack flirty. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.600 There are guys that end up finding themselves and there's 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.400 ups and downs. I guess the way that it can 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:32.200 fail is when we let our preconceived hype take over 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.080 a certain player and don't allow for growth, or also 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.800 an understanding that Paul Skeen's right now is the tippy 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.960 top of the prospect world. And then if we look 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.520 back and we're like, he was good, he was really solid, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.560 then it's like a failure. The only reason that equates 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.159 to what you're saying to me is shortened careers that 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.440 are destroyed. Matt Harvey someone brought up in the chat. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.520