Speaker 1: And money. We all take out. We are the authority
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Speaker 1: what's going on? I am tanking and this is the
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Speaker 1: Who you know? You were talking about R and B
Speaker 1: in the trenches. What I'm saying when it was only
Speaker 1: two R and B artists on the bill and the
Speaker 1: rest was rappers. Was in the deep South South Carolina,
Speaker 1: Bill too below gains Bill, Florida. We was in the
Speaker 1: trenches to get the My little sister, my loved one
Speaker 1: around the way. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Please
Speaker 1: give it up. She's so accomplished, so many things. We'll
Speaker 1: get to all that. Yeah, you up appreciate you will remember,
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like people don't remember? Like I was
Speaker 1: doing shows, Oh my god, we're rappers, so we would
Speaker 1: have to I was singing songs like Ballance and having
Speaker 1: to walk out the club with the mic in my
Speaker 1: hand because they will start shooting and fighting. Absolutely, That's
Speaker 1: that's that's where we came from. They could never survive.
Speaker 1: It would be just me and you. I would look
Speaker 1: at the field and there would be miracle c murder
Speaker 1: and yeah, thank a little more. So wait, wait, so
Speaker 1: are y'all the original trap? So I think we are
Speaker 1: real shout out to But I'm sure Bryson Tiller never
Speaker 1: had to walk out of the club after singing a
Speaker 1: ballot It too gunshots listen. I had been almost booed
Speaker 1: on some of these all trap shows. What they are like,
Speaker 1: who is this nigger with the baby along? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But you were I was crazy and
Speaker 1: milk character. Because when you could perform at any arena,
Speaker 1: especially the ones that you at least expected to get
Speaker 1: around of applause, that's when you know you do well.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, too, is that you you of
Speaker 1: course started there, and when when I was coming along
Speaker 1: you you were already had you were already on hit records.
Speaker 1: So when I when I when I came in on
Speaker 1: those shows with you, that was me trying to get
Speaker 1: my records played. But so you were like you were,
Speaker 1: you were you were already kind of tried improving before
Speaker 1: I got there, because you were going on after You're
Speaker 1: gonna after me, right, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: when your songs came on, it was it was up.
Speaker 1: But you were. You still had to work your way
Speaker 1: into that space, right for sure. But when I saw you,
Speaker 1: you was cooking, and I was like, I was like
Speaker 1: there on some R and B pol when I saw
Speaker 1: you on the bill or when I would see your name,
Speaker 1: even to this day, I was like, at least I
Speaker 1: know with somebody on here that's can really sing, because
Speaker 1: there's that. That's how we got No, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of shape, but that's how that's that's that's what you did.
Speaker 1: That's how that's shape, no shade, right, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: how we got our record deals. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: even even even down to Jay like it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't no fluff like JA could dance. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, there's there's that he could dance, right, I
Speaker 1: got to you know what I'm saying, I'm dancing in
Speaker 1: my first video you were, I was fallout choreography because
Speaker 1: we were all, you know, we fell with cameras came out.
Speaker 1: We were talking about things that could have stopped. You
Speaker 1: could have stopped you know, the progression yea of taking
Speaker 1: little mo. Yeah, and he almost stopped his progression with dancing. No,
Speaker 1: but the main thing that would have stopped all this
Speaker 1: ship No, no, no is if he would have kept
Speaker 1: trying to wrap. No, I wasn't trying. First of all,
Speaker 1: shout out to michaelid in the build. My brother kame
Speaker 1: crossing brother, who knows my rap pedigree? It out, who
Speaker 1: knows my rap pedigree? Okay, they were clean wraps. I
Speaker 1: was a church kid. What was your name? MC Hurricane? Really? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so the wait where you like you were like bringing
Speaker 1: the rain? I was, I was bringing the thunder and
Speaker 1: the thunder was this? Was this biblical? Because biblical? You
Speaker 1: were a church rap? I would wrap street ish You
Speaker 1: know how you watch remember how you watched the box
Speaker 1: and all the dirty songs that were changed and had
Speaker 1: the radio. What's crazy is I started out rapping too,
Speaker 1: because like my first time being on the rod was
Speaker 1: with my uncle John P. King. So while I was
Speaker 1: in high school, don't I went into some gangses. I
Speaker 1: ain't kidding, y'allen, Like when I used to turn them
Speaker 1: guns into his shirt. We'll bring to this church, let's
Speaker 1: start there. But I used to wrap as well, and
Speaker 1: I tried to do gospel rap, but I had that
Speaker 1: stree edge because I grew up in church where he
Speaker 1: told me one day when I was like fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: he was like, I think you should sing because not
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with your rapping, but I think you
Speaker 1: should sing because you'll last longer. He never lied. That's crazy, right,
Speaker 1: So like literally twenty nine years later, yeah, that way.
Speaker 1: I I stayed rapping, yeah, until until my tenth grade
Speaker 1: in high school because I was I was battling everybody
Speaker 1: and me too, and I was I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a battle rapper. So and one in English class.
Speaker 1: Our teacher in English class used to always let me
Speaker 1: in this other kid battle for like a little credit, right,
Speaker 1: and so I would I would kill him, right, I
Speaker 1: would just go eddie. And one day he was like,
Speaker 1: you know I can beat you. I was like, you
Speaker 1: haven't beat me yet, he said, he said, because when
Speaker 1: I'm rapping, I'm you know, I'm just I'm being lyrical,
Speaker 1: like I'm you know what I'm saying. He's like, when
Speaker 1: you're rapping, like you're actually battle rapping, like you're you're
Speaker 1: talking about me. I haven't even talked about you yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I hear you, but let's get to it.
Speaker 1: And so having a philosophy, yeah listen. And so we
Speaker 1: got to the class and he went first and he
Speaker 1: did his rap, and he he rapped so good, but
Speaker 1: he was actually rapping about me this time. And remember
Speaker 1: you watched eight miles and and what was his name
Speaker 1: with Papa Doc who was supposed to go last after Eminem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he Eminem me massacre. His rap was so crazy
Speaker 1: and there was so many uz and os and so
Speaker 1: many ohs. I was like, this rapping, this rapping, gonna
Speaker 1: do it crazy man, what's this nigger's name? He's not.
Speaker 1: He works up. We have to thank you. I don't
Speaker 1: know your name. So he reached out to you and
Speaker 1: be like you are crushed you in the tip break
Speaker 1: he probably is now aside from him crushing tank, crushing
Speaker 1: DJ hurricane whatever hurricane he was. Yeah, we would we
Speaker 1: would personally like to thank you in the R and
Speaker 1: B world for destroying this man's rap career so that
Speaker 1: he didn't do that foolishness. Man, I was good. So
Speaker 1: he saved the rhyme about you for last. You might
Speaker 1: have said he had never he had never rapped about me.
Speaker 1: It was all ways about how good he was and
Speaker 1: metaphors and all that, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'm going to more
Speaker 1: to all the street in it I'm talking about it's
Speaker 1: closed like I'm going. He's like, I've never rapped about you.
Speaker 1: I was like, rap about me. So that's why I'm
Speaker 1: you know, but that's what getting to songwriting, which you
Speaker 1: do very well. I think us being rappers, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and being lyricists is why we were,
Speaker 1: why we are able to put these songs together and
Speaker 1: put these words together the way we do. Not only
Speaker 1: did honestly growing up in the church help you, I
Speaker 1: think it helped me. I don't play you play like
Speaker 1: a hundred instruments. I can't play just like a little
Speaker 1: bit of shower music on the drums and that's about it.
Speaker 1: I can just shout music. That's it. That's it. And
Speaker 1: I think it helped with like melody and stuff like
Speaker 1: you know, don't before you go there, Before you go there,
Speaker 1: we like to start at the beginning. We are very
Speaker 1: very informative. I could like to start at the beginning
Speaker 1: because you already threw out the John P. Keeper which
Speaker 1: super Super shout out to in the tenth grade. I
Speaker 1: see what today is gonna be the death of m
Speaker 1: You didn't tell shoot I was my name was. At
Speaker 1: first I was Sassy c Yeah yeah in church, in
Speaker 1: church church, and then I would know for city, See
Speaker 1: everybody had those names. And then I was young Wisdom.
Speaker 1: I went through this whole phase of yeah, young wisdom.
Speaker 1: I was like I went through the shade joined brand
Speaker 1: new thing that I was like everybody used to be
Speaker 1: a five per center. I used to hang with the
Speaker 1: no young wisdom and then after that, honestly, John Picky
Speaker 1: gave me the name little Mo because my last name
Speaker 1: is loving, so he used to call me mony for
Speaker 1: some of my reason. Yeah, and then he just stopped
Speaker 1: on me. That just stuff. And my friend was just
Speaker 1: like my fir Renee because I was. We used to
Speaker 1: drive from Fayetteville to Charlotte every Wednesday for rehearsal three
Speaker 1: hours there at three hours bait. So I would get
Speaker 1: out of school, drive to Charlotte to rehearse. Then my
Speaker 1: dad would bring me back on Friday so we could
Speaker 1: go on touring the weekend, and then he would pick
Speaker 1: me back up on Sunday. So it was just like
Speaker 1: it did. Okay, when did you know when did somebody
Speaker 1: tell you? When did the first church congregation say that
Speaker 1: baby got it? Honestly, where I used to sing songs
Speaker 1: in church, I was like four or five, and the
Speaker 1: first song I lafed was I think it was about
Speaker 1: a Clark sisters. What a difference it makes. So I
Speaker 1: was too, I'm gonna be singing those grown songs. But
Speaker 1: when I started saying with John, he was the one
Speaker 1: that told me you got something because I started rabbits.
Speaker 1: That was like in ninety one. Shoot, I was in
Speaker 1: tiph grade, ninth tiph grade. That was the first time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got something special. Yeah, So people always said that
Speaker 1: I was, you know, gifted. I had a gift because
Speaker 1: I was saying all the adult songs because he lives
Speaker 1: all the grown songs as a child director. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it was like when you seven, when you five years old,
Speaker 1: when I was in the world, I didn't have a
Speaker 1: gut on my side. You five years old, talk about
Speaker 1: when I was in the world, when you was outside
Speaker 1: the junior choir, sc gave me your song like it's that.
Speaker 1: But then when you get up to the young adult quire,
Speaker 1: then you can start singing a difference it makes when
Speaker 1: y'all walk the So this is like that. So what
Speaker 1: happens in gospel is like a portion of the Bible
Speaker 1: when Jesus goes from this from one age and he
Speaker 1: comes back he was up the world. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to listen. Honestly, that that age of thirteen that's
Speaker 1: really pivotal, and a lot of people's like this. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's the age of honestly what they call it accountability,
Speaker 1: but that's also the age that when you're trying to
Speaker 1: find yourself. So that would be the age when I
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, this is what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I always want to ramp. But I was just like
Speaker 1: once my uncle told me at fifteen, sing you'll last longer.
Speaker 1: At first, you know, I tried my son does it
Speaker 1: to me? He's thirteen, and I'm like, yo, you should sing.
Speaker 1: He was like, nobody wants to hear that anymore. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yes, they did. You really don't understand
Speaker 1: that's what touches the heart. I'm not saying that rap doesn't,
Speaker 1: but it's just something about a melody. It's just something
Speaker 1: about tone. It's just something about that type of connection
Speaker 1: that just hit different. So it's just like, yeah, something,
Speaker 1: but now they don't really talk about love. They talk
Speaker 1: about love, but it's in such a different way. So honestly,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I've never wrote a hate song in my life.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. No, none, toxic. I remade a toxic song,
Speaker 1: remade Shirley Murdock husband, and that was like toxic. But
Speaker 1: it was State Church that was the first. Yeah, everything
Speaker 1: was exciting and I had things in my life. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So you want to rote with John Kid? How long?
Speaker 1: How long were you out with father John? For like
Speaker 1: two years? And then after that once I'm I started
Speaker 1: out with low Kid? Was there? Was there? So I say?
Speaker 1: And I was next to name? Okay, so it was
Speaker 1: a musician. Cool played the drums, Eric Bryce Shu's play guitar,
Speaker 1: and it was another John used to play the bass
Speaker 1: like I was there. Yeah, right after I was there
Speaker 1: for show Up. So I came there with show Up. Yes,
Speaker 1: you used to be the kid waiting on y'all in
Speaker 1: in d C. When he would do the V I P. Conventions,
Speaker 1: I'd be the kid waiting and I don't play basketball
Speaker 1: with him? Yes, a ya he used to be so lit.
Speaker 1: The best part, and this is what I learned so
Speaker 1: much from my uncle is just like now I understand
Speaker 1: the for our gospel artist. Everybody on stage were just like,
Speaker 1: the music is jammen. But when he would come out
Speaker 1: and slide on stage and the keyboar will be ready,
Speaker 1: the people would go because he was like he was like,
Speaker 1: because he did the R and B, did a stinton,
Speaker 1: cameo hello, right, yes, came right, so absolutely yeah. So
Speaker 1: his approach to gospel music was totally was a completely
Speaker 1: different pot it like it was like it was it
Speaker 1: was something we had never seen before. The structure of it,
Speaker 1: how solid it was like yo'all could do something like
Speaker 1: this and everybody knew where to go. Or he'd make
Speaker 1: a noise and everybody's yeah, it wasn't it was. We
Speaker 1: was like, so we're watching the band on this side.
Speaker 1: You had a band corner, when the band when where
Speaker 1: the band set up. There were eighty musicians from that
Speaker 1: single sitting on the side like this, and then you
Speaker 1: got the congregation watching the whole thing. You got the
Speaker 1: singers all through the day. But it was ill. The
Speaker 1: music was the phrases, but put together music rehearsals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did the V I was. I was part of
Speaker 1: the v I p Chuire Wednesday rehearsals that I used
Speaker 1: to go to. People like it was almost like a concert.
Speaker 1: He would come and have like a little bit of
Speaker 1: Bible study and literally from like six pm two two
Speaker 1: in the morning now would have school the next day.
Speaker 1: He would write songs right there. He was like, all right, y'all,
Speaker 1: gotta learn this right now. I was I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it to you know what, saying, awesome, gonna get this
Speaker 1: so on up. He would literally write song on the spot.
Speaker 1: And that's I learned so much from him and he
Speaker 1: because he played, he would like make you go to
Speaker 1: and they would go. It was like how did they know?
Speaker 1: But he had that. He was the first person I
Speaker 1: saw sing and not miss and I didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: know how we can talk about We don't talk about
Speaker 1: that enough. We don't. We don't. That's a gift in
Speaker 1: itself he did. Even if you're not obviously John p
Speaker 1: Kids is amazing. But even if you're just a good
Speaker 1: singer and you don't miss, that's that's still something very
Speaker 1: special to prepare yourself to to honor your gift because
Speaker 1: everybody don't honor their gift. We do a lot of
Speaker 1: things that go against what you're supposed to be doing
Speaker 1: to take I might have been on the other side
Speaker 1: of you know, I might have been on the no.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's something that that that should be
Speaker 1: spotlight when someone doesn't miss those type of artist's every night. Yes,
Speaker 1: you would never know if he was sick, if he
Speaker 1: was tired, if he was like you would never know
Speaker 1: because any time he hit that stage, he would give
Speaker 1: it his all. And you know, like now they say, well,
Speaker 1: what time I go on from nine to nine thirty,
Speaker 1: he'll get up there, and especially especially when he does
Speaker 1: what I used to love too, and I learned a
Speaker 1: lot of that too, is like then I try to
Speaker 1: think people come to his consoles just to see if
Speaker 1: he was gonna get him money. He would literally from
Speaker 1: his heart be like he would look at somebody like
Speaker 1: come in for a second, because like, what's your rent? Sheila?
Speaker 1: Uh we we recipes to her, Jeanette, you're renting what
Speaker 1: he pay So when I when I when I may
Speaker 1: pay for that. I got that from John pick Wow.
Speaker 1: I took that from him. That's that's who I learned
Speaker 1: how to tip from and that's how you forever we
Speaker 1: used to go to eye and eat after the concerts. Yes,
Speaker 1: I will watch him give hundreds of dollars too, And
Speaker 1: I mean it would be a bunch of us. Think
Speaker 1: if a thousand dollars didn't matter to whoever was waiting
Speaker 1: on us? Are you giving him so much money? He
Speaker 1: don't like this bad who just always take care of people,
Speaker 1: to take care of you always? Always first person? Ever
Speaker 1: seen that? So I learned that from him at the
Speaker 1: concerts giving away money. I want to bless you. You
Speaker 1: look like you need a blessing. How much is this?
Speaker 1: How much does that give her? That she get her that?
Speaker 1: That's that's why I learned it from. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: love this. I can't wait to tell him. Be like,
Speaker 1: you don't realize how much? Even on down to when
Speaker 1: I started working with Missy, she was like, wait, John,
Speaker 1: like do you like people just did it again? But
Speaker 1: I just you just threw out another gone to Missy
Speaker 1: that way like I was looking back, Okay, none of them.
Speaker 1: Don't you stop? You stopped this? Okay, we need information.
Speaker 1: She's so used to leave you you How do you
Speaker 1: go from John p Key to Missy, how does that happen?
Speaker 1: What's the interview before? Before Missy? I actually toured with
Speaker 1: Guru rest in peace to him. I did jazz matazz
Speaker 1: because I think at that time in Dia Dad report
Speaker 1: she couldn't go. So I was singing her part. How
Speaker 1: did you get that? I? Um, well, my cousin. She
Speaker 1: was married to Gary, who is DJ Premiers half brother.
Speaker 1: He I was living in North Carolina. Like when I say,
Speaker 1: God whatever, he typed down the rope down for me
Speaker 1: before I got here. He was in his bad and
Speaker 1: I never understood it till now because I never had
Speaker 1: the audition. People just took their word for it. So
Speaker 1: they took me to Guru's house. He used to live
Speaker 1: like right and like Elmhurst, right between Queens and Long Island.
Speaker 1: So my aunt lived in Queens. So I was like,
Speaker 1: if I get this gig, then I can stay with
Speaker 1: my aunt. And I wind up going singing his eyes
Speaker 1: on the Sparrow and Gurgle's living room. He was like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna call you tomorrow and we're gonna get you.
Speaker 1: Do you have a passport? I was like no, but
Speaker 1: my dad drove me up there from North Carolina. He's
Speaker 1: always been my driver, not the fire in one time.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later. But like I just always
Speaker 1: I never had the really audition. All I had to
Speaker 1: do was show up and I always got the job. Okay,
Speaker 1: you did the whole United States and the whole and
Speaker 1: then the overseas. So mind you, I'm just getting out
Speaker 1: of high school and you getting paid, Yes, you get
Speaker 1: real money to do this. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, I'm just going for the experience. And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is how much you're gonna
Speaker 1: get paid this, And I was like, and tours that
Speaker 1: are already established, so it wasn't like care of Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, for damn, this is more than I
Speaker 1: get job, working a job or anything. Before you caught
Speaker 1: this kid, I never had a job like. I've never
Speaker 1: felt out an application in my life. I wanted to
Speaker 1: feel out one because I was living on four break
Speaker 1: and I wanted to work at Wendy's. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna be able to do that
Speaker 1: because I used to breed everybody here. And one time, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get a job. How old
Speaker 1: would you like a teenager because they made everybody else.
Speaker 1: I was like sixteen seventeen. I was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I like clothes. Listen, I'm tired of selling.
Speaker 1: I say, I wasn't avoiding dope. I've seen something earlier
Speaker 1: when they said just do it online said, I've ever
Speaker 1: stopped taking crump with up money because he opened it
Speaker 1: up and half of it was a dollar, half of
Speaker 1: it was a twenty drug. Trust me. My stent with
Speaker 1: jobs were I had. I wanted to get some clothes
Speaker 1: during Christmas time, so I went and worked at the
Speaker 1: oak Tree for like two months before he wrapped about
Speaker 1: the tree he did ever have? He wrapped it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was working at Utrey. When you get the whole
Speaker 1: suit for ninety nine plus your shirt and time, that
Speaker 1: was how pack That was me? And then I put
Speaker 1: it with a Vsati tie and some kind of cold shoes,
Speaker 1: dressed that up, dressed that things so anyway. And then
Speaker 1: my second stint at a job, I'm so I'm so
Speaker 1: mad that Mike Lidy let you wear that high school listen.
Speaker 1: And then from Oaktree I went to uh I had.
Speaker 1: I had a job at a parcel plus where we
Speaker 1: used to make coves and deliver the mail and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, and so I sent off I sent
Speaker 1: off the first and one mixed blueprints. It is mixed.
Speaker 1: It was I remember all the plans for the for
Speaker 1: the shoes, I mean, the shirts and all of that
Speaker 1: stuff I sent. I sent those off to to whoever
Speaker 1: they ended up doing the deal with to get out.
Speaker 1: I sent those off. That's like my claim to fame
Speaker 1: my ship though. And he guy was from Maryland. So
Speaker 1: I did that, and then I did that for like
Speaker 1: about three months. And you know why I got fired?
Speaker 1: Oh you know why I got fired? Let me think
Speaker 1: what could I can't even think like why, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you why I got fired? Yeah, Pastor John p Key,
Speaker 1: what happened you, hug out? I stayed out all night
Speaker 1: with the church with John v Key playing basketball and
Speaker 1: eating that I hoped, and I woke up late because
Speaker 1: I was supposed to open the store. It was like
Speaker 1: my third or fourth time being so listen. So what
Speaker 1: this comes out to is John p Key was the
Speaker 1: reason for both of y'all. R and B music got
Speaker 1: you fired And told Sassy see over here, this ain't
Speaker 1: gonna work, Sassy, see little wisdom whatever, shut out whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I don't know what look here? Uh you
Speaker 1: need to sing? Yeah? Last key was you know he'll
Speaker 1: you back to everything? So checks um seeing the world? Yeah,
Speaker 1: seeing the world. How do you get to missy so Um?
Speaker 1: I remember coming back. I had started hair school because
Speaker 1: the tour was over, and I was like, let me
Speaker 1: just go do here because I didn't know if the
Speaker 1: music thing was gonna work out or not. And I
Speaker 1: was still too young to get him. Do you remember
Speaker 1: Neils in New York? That was like everybody used to
Speaker 1: go uh and saying it was like an open mic.
Speaker 1: That's why I used to go. So I was sneaking
Speaker 1: because I wasn't twenty one, but I was sneaking. I
Speaker 1: would see like call Thomas. They was like Maria Curry
Speaker 1: gonna be Kelly Price and Maria Curry because I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: who named my name? So I was like they were
Speaker 1: like these persons deep people are gonna be there and
Speaker 1: what was what's his name? Ron Grant used to have
Speaker 1: an open mic t and I remember I was like,
Speaker 1: one night, I want to sing at these and I
Speaker 1: went and I signed up and they didn't ask me
Speaker 1: for I d because the people I would go it
Speaker 1: was always grown. I always always thought I was grown,
Speaker 1: for like I always honed with grown people. And I said,
Speaker 1: but I but I sang uh Lauren hillsong Um, killing
Speaker 1: me softly, and I killed it. And then after that
Speaker 1: people like, yo, you should do something. I was like, dag,
Speaker 1: my uncle was right, but I was. This was after
Speaker 1: I came off tour, so I was doing R and
Speaker 1: B and if I used to feel so convicted, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm hell here, I'm singing this secular music.
Speaker 1: I'm a burn with the devil. I always thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna burn with the devil. That's what kept me
Speaker 1: from it. But then I realized I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: people still love me, so I'm gonna do this. So
Speaker 1: I had started working with like producers and stuff, writing
Speaker 1: songs and referencing songs, and for some of my reasons,
Speaker 1: some of my references got to Missy and I was
Speaker 1: in the mall and Green Neck is mall, getting just
Speaker 1: finished getting my nails, and that's when we had beepers.
Speaker 1: So I had moved to New York. I was living
Speaker 1: in Queens, so going down there in school and just
Speaker 1: like going to open mics and just trying to make
Speaker 1: a name for myself and Merlin Bob had yeah, well
Speaker 1: ron ron was his um his uh his, he had
Speaker 1: two assistance that So I remember getting a beeping whenever
Speaker 1: said two on two. That meant money, child, that mean money.
Speaker 1: So I called her back and he was like, Maryland,
Speaker 1: want to speak to you, and I was like for real,
Speaker 1: and so he was like, yeah, Missy um Elliot wants
Speaker 1: you to call I'm like out of here, Missy don't
Speaker 1: want me to call her like this, like I'm at
Speaker 1: the mall. Want you to call her? And I was like,
Speaker 1: no freaking way. Hold on the second, I remember putting
Speaker 1: the pay phone down because that's when the drug deals
Speaker 1: had all the bag phones and them phone bills us
Speaker 1: to be high. So I found a piece of paper
Speaker 1: and the pencil and I said, what's her number? And
Speaker 1: I had I remember having a phone like this, write
Speaker 1: her number down. I called her right then and there,
Speaker 1: and she must have been in probably a Lamborghinia song,
Speaker 1: and she was like hold on, hold on. She had
Speaker 1: a car phone. I was like, hey, what's up this
Speaker 1: little moe. I try to sound like like like I
Speaker 1: was talking, what is this a certain voice? It's like Yo,
Speaker 1: what's up. I remember. I was like, yeah, what's up
Speaker 1: this little moment Merlin Bob told me to call you.
Speaker 1: She was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Malik
Speaker 1: turned down the music because that's when remember Malik that
Speaker 1: used to dance with her by her So he was like,
Speaker 1: she's like turning out the song perfect because it was
Speaker 1: so so prathetic. But now I get it, Like that's
Speaker 1: really how it feel like. It feel like a movie.
Speaker 1: But it was just like she was like, Yo, your
Speaker 1: voice is dope, Like, Yo, can you come to the
Speaker 1: city today. I was like, let me check my palm pilot. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'll be there. And I remember going to the city
Speaker 1: and when I met her and we were the same height.
Speaker 1: He's like, I didn't even have to talk talk and
Speaker 1: then the rest was literally history. Like from there, I
Speaker 1: sang Whitney Houston saving All My Love for You, and
Speaker 1: she she didn't tell me Whitney was coming to the
Speaker 1: studio that day. What yeah, not that same day. It
Speaker 1: was like months after. So I would reference Mry would
Speaker 1: write this song. She was like, reference something, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I would be I was like,
Speaker 1: do you want me to sing all over she was like,
Speaker 1: do your thing, because that's gonna make you know people.
Speaker 1: So I remember sitting in the studio and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like Whitney Houston walks and I'm like Jesus,
Speaker 1: like no, no, like this is not happening it. So
Speaker 1: I just remember just like Whitney coming up to me
Speaker 1: because the song she wrote, Yes m Mr. It was
Speaker 1: called yes, and I referenced it. Whitney like hugged me.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, ahmost like she was
Speaker 1: so hyped up. Then she made me go in the
Speaker 1: booth for her and vocal produce it. I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you tell the greatest freaking voice of the
Speaker 1: world that had all the church girls want to sing
Speaker 1: secular music with some annointing. I'm standing in the booth
Speaker 1: when we can use My throat is so dry because
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. She gave me a fisherman's friend, a fisherman's friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how you ready at least in your mind your mind, yeah,
Speaker 1: not knowing that there was really ain't for sables. But
Speaker 1: it was like that's I meant with like everybody everybody?
Speaker 1: Is that how you ended up getting your record deal?
Speaker 1: Or so? Yeah, how long are you with Missy? I
Speaker 1: was with like, literally, point, you're doing You're you're doing
Speaker 1: working session work, session work, just so for the people
Speaker 1: who don't know, this is the process for you. So
Speaker 1: you go on to her first with Guru, do you
Speaker 1: link up with Missy when Missy is an amazing producer,
Speaker 1: songwriter outside of big an artist, but her vision so
Speaker 1: with so with Missy, now you in a sense on staff, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're doing her demos for Yeah, but she sing too,
Speaker 1: of course, like no, she sings to like but a
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted to harmonies because she comes from
Speaker 1: that Joe to see. So we were stacking now you
Speaker 1: could do ye comes from the basement, So we were
Speaker 1: sa we were stacking vocals. That's where we came from,
Speaker 1: the stacking vocals days. So she taught me so much
Speaker 1: because I didn't know studio work. I was. So that's
Speaker 1: when I learned that, you know, outside singing live and
Speaker 1: studio is totally different. I hate being the studio. I
Speaker 1: feel closeterrophobic. I feel like my ideas don't come like
Speaker 1: don't come to life. So I was glad that I
Speaker 1: had her skeleton there and then I could take it
Speaker 1: to next level because Hot Boys was just her and
Speaker 1: then I sang with it. So now she let me
Speaker 1: ring that church ad lives, which people you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: do all that. Let me get busy where how long?
Speaker 1: How long? Were like? Okay? So I had my deal,
Speaker 1: I was signed to a lecture. But it was just
Speaker 1: like I was working with Missy. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't need I want, Yeah, I don't even really
Speaker 1: wanna did nothing. And all the songs that I was picking,
Speaker 1: and you know, all the songs that they were picking,
Speaker 1: that's what I did to that. I was working with
Speaker 1: Montell Jordan and them, so they would pick a songs.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think them like, these songs
Speaker 1: are great, but I don't think it's gonna translate too.
Speaker 1: I had tattoos, gold teeth at the time, braids, so
Speaker 1: I looked like a rapper, but I sang like a
Speaker 1: church girl, so you feel me. I was trying to
Speaker 1: blend those both worlds. So just like Missy taught me,
Speaker 1: just like, just don't settle for nothing. Be who you are.
Speaker 1: And that's how I about the gate. She was like,
Speaker 1: these niggas got money charge him. Yeah, so to get
Speaker 1: me to show up to vocal radets. That's a word,
Speaker 1: the charge him, charge him sore nigga mm hmm. And
Speaker 1: so that like I learned the game earlier. It's totally
Speaker 1: a blessing because I didn't have to go through with
Speaker 1: a manager that so me and more like I'm cool
Speaker 1: with everybody, but I always got to deal directly with
Speaker 1: the source. And so really that taught me everything I know.
Speaker 1: So first hit record, um, they was coming back to back.
Speaker 1: It's not super Woman, oh by myself here, but like
Speaker 1: I was doing like hot boars hoos, didn't put it
Speaker 1: on me and then I cried, like but I recorded,
Speaker 1: I cried before I didn't put it on me. Child.
Speaker 1: It was like so much stuff is going back to
Speaker 1: back to back, So those records would be four super Yes.
Speaker 1: Why did I not know? That's why people like I
Speaker 1: love you from the nineties, I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: why you love it for the nine becase a bit
Speaker 1: wasn't out. I was all other people records in the nineties.
Speaker 1: But would you did your first come out? I got
Speaker 1: I think, oh one, your first single came out. Superwoman
Speaker 1: came out two one, okay, so we are yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like two thousand two thousand one, because you know
Speaker 1: what me was out in like ninety n like we
Speaker 1: just celebrated like annivers I'm like, yeah, this sounds older
Speaker 1: than MATUREY really are because I solo, our solo careers
Speaker 1: mirror then, but you was already active. But you want
Speaker 1: to know, I was singing backgrounds. I didn't have no
Speaker 1: music out, none at all, but that's what I was
Speaker 1: doing too, had records on. You had like but c is,
Speaker 1: I still didn't think I'm mattered, So it didn't count
Speaker 1: to me telling you out watching watching all the videos
Speaker 1: that he was cracking you. I appreciate that because like
Speaker 1: to me, it was just like dad, I still got
Speaker 1: more work to do. But like tour with Missy, that's
Speaker 1: when I got to tour with literally everybody every day
Speaker 1: being with Aaliyah like that, those kind of things, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, nobody will ever have that opportunity. Those were
Speaker 1: We're doing jay Leno and then going doing tour like
Speaker 1: she Missy stayed on tour for years, so it just
Speaker 1: used to be so dope just to see her in
Speaker 1: her element and she's so shot. So once she's done performance,
Speaker 1: she leaving, I'm just like dag like I really get
Speaker 1: to live the life. I really got to live the life.
Speaker 1: So you were kind of like Charlie Murphy, Eddie Murphy,
Speaker 1: like Eddie Murphy, every Murphy went home and she had
Speaker 1: to leave what you need? Yeah, basketball, ye know for
Speaker 1: real outside. Yeah, like that was a blessing. I'm a superwoman.
Speaker 1: I always noticed that it says super woman too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're Superwoman one. So super Woman? How did that go? Yeah? Well? Sup?
Speaker 1: The no people have been asking me that because recently
Speaker 1: it's been added to streaming site, so nobody knew for
Speaker 1: years that there was a part one only yeah, because
Speaker 1: they just thought that They thought it was Cura White.
Speaker 1: So it was just like, so, why wouldn't have leave
Speaker 1: the part two? Part one? Part one? Part one was
Speaker 1: brand conson. That's when he was walking. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they told us the song was too cocky. It was
Speaker 1: two because I was like, you ain't got to look
Speaker 1: Jermaine was the one who I was like, yo, you
Speaker 1: like you kill it. I was like, you ain't got
Speaker 1: to look up in the sky for a bird or
Speaker 1: a plane. You're looking for a change, and I'm saving
Speaker 1: your Head's got the s on my chest. Summer soup boom,
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta look up in the sky for heard.
Speaker 1: But it was like, remember that Beantie single beat Stopped,
Speaker 1: Don't Chill? We used that for beat. Cox put keys
Speaker 1: on it, so it was like it was too cocky,
Speaker 1: So that was called super Wan. We thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem with Carol White Superwoman because then
Speaker 1: the titles and then registering it. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all I bet I was in l A. There was
Speaker 1: remember when DreamWorks had the labels. There was an artist
Speaker 1: named Canela Cox and I was boke o producing on
Speaker 1: her songs and she was done. She had two hours
Speaker 1: left on her session and I was like me and
Speaker 1: my manager at the time, Loria, I was like, we
Speaker 1: might as well used this time. Clue had left a
Speaker 1: beat and he was like, if you get this song, Clue, yeah,
Speaker 1: DJ Clue di super Woman part one. So there was
Speaker 1: wasn't part too excuse me, there wasn't even no keys
Speaker 1: on it. It was just so what I did was
Speaker 1: I smoked me some weed and I never heard nobody body. Um.
Speaker 1: I smoked some weet and I went in there and
Speaker 1: I say Superwoman down because I was so used to
Speaker 1: Missy teach me do your vocals different ways each chorus.
Speaker 1: So when I found out we could fly vo because
Speaker 1: I was like, fly because we don't have much time
Speaker 1: left and we have to get it out of still
Speaker 1: somebody's session. Yeah okay, So and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: label to find out, so Traino was I think her biggs.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, they got some money over here.
Speaker 1: We used to give like them check Out checks d
Speaker 1: and and Cherry Ross checks always hit different. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you. Jason Joshua, the amazing mixed master guy, the
Speaker 1: mix sologists, Yeah, was at one point and DreamWorks really
Speaker 1: had to see song structure too. While he was, Yo,
Speaker 1: what do you mean the hook? So you know what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you have this job? I think at that
Speaker 1: time they PARBT was just hiring black people. So like,
Speaker 1: well that listen, I believe that. I believe that people
Speaker 1: putting people in position. Yeah I love you brother, absolutely. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you so you still her session? You do Superwoman too?
Speaker 1: So because this was the other thing that, like you
Speaker 1: said that that first that first sound that kicks in,
Speaker 1: they were multiple songs for you that in my mind,
Speaker 1: I was like, they sounds like get old video games.
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like if if a nigga said
Speaker 1: this is how super Mario sounds, but then you would
Speaker 1: come on seeing church. So just imagine, imagine there was
Speaker 1: no keys, no strings, no baseline. It's just so I
Speaker 1: literally no drums. It was just that was it. That
Speaker 1: was it. So I sang it all the way down.
Speaker 1: When it got to the bridge, I had to You
Speaker 1: could probably hear it, like if you go back you
Speaker 1: can hear. I had to do. I said, drop the
Speaker 1: music out right here, and so I said every day
Speaker 1: I love you in us fair show a chicken. So
Speaker 1: I literally save off my snap and now I don't
Speaker 1: know play when I second like that, and then added
Speaker 1: the backgrounds. So when they finally got in with the
Speaker 1: with the additional keys and program at people, they played
Speaker 1: around it. So it's really he goes a little secret,
Speaker 1: it's really not on. I always sing off time and
Speaker 1: but be on time. You get it, so it's likely,
Speaker 1: but it's always always. It's just so I was like
Speaker 1: the person. I was just like, I know I sing
Speaker 1: off b but it's like it's a bob. You told me,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you. Gave me a copy one
Speaker 1: day and I think I probably went back in the
Speaker 1: big and cry because I was like, damn, Like when
Speaker 1: you notice people that really sing and really do this.
Speaker 1: We was at d night show in Atlanta. You was like, Sis,
Speaker 1: You've been one of the only people that can sing
Speaker 1: with tempo and I was just like, I never thought
Speaker 1: anybody noticed. He was like and stick like you feel
Speaker 1: me sing though you was like sing with not like
Speaker 1: dance around and you know what I'm saying and dumb
Speaker 1: it down. You've actually been able to actually sing a
Speaker 1: real vocal. That's a blessing. And so to hear someone
Speaker 1: noticed that, be like, Yo, how do he know? Because
Speaker 1: people don't be knowing because I wanted someone too so
Speaker 1: bad but I couldn't. I couldn't figure out the science
Speaker 1: on it. But you know crazy, It's like then I'll
Speaker 1: listen to your song and I'm like, like, how do
Speaker 1: you know? And I was like, God, I thank you
Speaker 1: for the gifts you have given me without repentance, and
Speaker 1: the talents that you have given me. But I wish
Speaker 1: I could play because if I could play, I was like,
Speaker 1: I killed all of these bitches that girl I know,
Speaker 1: God say like crazy and before I arrest it. But
Speaker 1: it was just like I used to always feel like
Speaker 1: if I could play then then they will really be
Speaker 1: able to get it. But then I realized my voice
Speaker 1: is my instrument, and if they get it, they get it.
Speaker 1: If they don't, they'll get it later. And now a
Speaker 1: lot of people and you and you like you have
Speaker 1: songs that I mean, you know this when they come
Speaker 1: on this is yeah, they lose their mind, like the
Speaker 1: we do R and B Club when we went headliner
Speaker 1: and Mike Gardening them in in Miami. Your songs are
Speaker 1: played there semi videos and I'd be like, yo, this
Speaker 1: is like, how do they still? But then you know
Speaker 1: what what my angels says, not what you say or
Speaker 1: what you do, is how you make people feel. And
Speaker 1: I always realized a lot of these people were in
Speaker 1: elementary school and junior high running home to watch one
Speaker 1: O six in part they remember that, and so now
Speaker 1: that they're growing, were like, you all remember running home
Speaker 1: and ask my moment, can I get them color hairs?
Speaker 1: And they don't know what I used to have to
Speaker 1: go through to be able to get the blue hair,
Speaker 1: to be able to wear those colors. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: want you to scare the consumer, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: like another meeting remember the meetings, and he used to
Speaker 1: to tell them like, y'all don't get it, and they
Speaker 1: will be like, who then do you think he is?
Speaker 1: Because you're Christmas brother? That wow? But okay, now we
Speaker 1: see what they got now, the same tattoos all in
Speaker 1: their mouth. I just have to hide my tattoos. I
Speaker 1: just have to hide my tattoos. Still. I was just like, nah,
Speaker 1: you know what you work for me when I saw you,
Speaker 1: and what I still feel when I hear your music. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a time in music when it was very shiny, right.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the puff dad here. Everybody knew
Speaker 1: about it. It was the shiny suits. And then d
Speaker 1: m X came MHM and he made music very aggressive
Speaker 1: and very soulful. People didn't people don't got rested soul.
Speaker 1: People don't mention how soul for d m X is
Speaker 1: music was. You felt it in yourself to this day
Speaker 1: and to this day, they can play a hunted R
Speaker 1: and B songs and then one of yours comes on
Speaker 1: and it's dark and hell is hot. Niggas is getting
Speaker 1: to it when a little mo record plays, Because you
Speaker 1: bring a different type of grit and grind to R
Speaker 1: and B music. That just didn't it didn't exist from
Speaker 1: a female's perspective. It's so aggressive when it comes on.
Speaker 1: It's like we went when we were just in Miami.
Speaker 1: We were all in Miami together having a good time. Man,
Speaker 1: I had so much fun. I is, y'all don't understand
Speaker 1: how much fun I had so looking big. My sister
Speaker 1: was like, bet you was. I said, I came from
Speaker 1: a very dark place. So the pandemic was a blessing
Speaker 1: for me, so to be able to get out and
Speaker 1: to enjoy and to let my hand down so I
Speaker 1: can sing on stage and will be when I get
Speaker 1: to be like, say, because I've seen you on stage
Speaker 1: and I'm like saying, but when I get to be
Speaker 1: like I need to be a fan fan so family,
Speaker 1: But I'm a question because you got a yeah, and
Speaker 1: when and when that record dropped, when they dropped your
Speaker 1: record at the end, it's just like it was like yo, mom,
Speaker 1: Like people say to me, They was like, mo, you
Speaker 1: was fool and it was like, yo, you seem like
Speaker 1: you loved I said, I did you had a ball?
Speaker 1: You have the same question like nine times? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I still want to ask you that question today. She asked,
Speaker 1: don't you gotta ask him, Yeah, I done with you,
Speaker 1: but yes, you know, speaking of your music and your
Speaker 1: past and the things that you had to go through
Speaker 1: in this industry that looked at female R and B
Speaker 1: in a certain light, it was very light seeing it's
Speaker 1: very soft. It was you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just let's just be real. It was it wasn't those tattoos.
Speaker 1: If you had tattoos, you was putting some clothes over
Speaker 1: those tattoos. There were things that that in this business
Speaker 1: from a female R and B perspective, just weren't accepted.
Speaker 1: It was just like, that just doesn't work for the consumer,
Speaker 1: when in reality, these motherfucker's didn't even really know the consumer.
Speaker 1: They were so far removed from who outside was and is.
Speaker 1: They were not outside. And you want to know what's
Speaker 1: crazy is once I got outside and I learned from myself,
Speaker 1: I found out I was just like, why am I
Speaker 1: big in the bay earlier? Why are we talking about
Speaker 1: come out with these girls? Was like, yo, one of
Speaker 1: my big in the trenches is because I look like
Speaker 1: they can look like me. Yeah, I'm from the band.
Speaker 1: You want to know what crazy is? When I go
Speaker 1: out there, the love I wouldn't already know because I
Speaker 1: was like around when the East Coast and West Coast,
Speaker 1: like I was around that time, So it was just
Speaker 1: like if you came out here, do your work, get
Speaker 1: your home, you fear me. So then you went out
Speaker 1: different summer jams or something like it to this day.
Speaker 1: To this day, I was out there a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. They had um I forgot what they call it,
Speaker 1: but it was Bobby D Presents, Me, Ashanti, Nellie Yang
Speaker 1: Yang Twins, little john A, Marie. Everybody was there and
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, who show up to just think that
Speaker 1: they were sold out? And I looked in the crowd
Speaker 1: and what they told us was the consumer. The majority
Speaker 1: of people didn't even look like me. It was all Latina's,
Speaker 1: It was all people, and they were by being yeah.
Speaker 1: So because we did Oakland and on Aryan and I
Speaker 1: was just like now, twenty years ago, they told me
Speaker 1: I wouldn't connect with the consumer. You don't want to
Speaker 1: scare them away. So what they further lets me know
Speaker 1: is that they thought I wouldn't connect with the crossover.
Speaker 1: The records crossed over. Then we broke records. Then we
Speaker 1: broke so many records. Well put it on me that
Speaker 1: they had to retire, and they swore that they were paid,
Speaker 1: and yo, it was a whole thing. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: who paying for to people called up there. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I can't even. There was the time remember when you
Speaker 1: can't even They said that they were paying people. Def
Speaker 1: gotta be paying to have that play that. They was
Speaker 1: like no. People was like no, I really called up
Speaker 1: there and they had us come out there and retire
Speaker 1: the record because there was like, there's no way y'all
Speaker 1: can always be number one? For like I used always wondered,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what is so big about it?
Speaker 1: Because to be honest, I went there in freestyund everything
Speaker 1: and none of it rhymed. What was so big about it?
Speaker 1: On me? Where would I be without you? Baby? So
Speaker 1: if you need me, if you want me to put
Speaker 1: it on you because I love you, don't you forget
Speaker 1: it Whenever you need me. If you own me to
Speaker 1: put it on you, come on? Where doing rot? That's
Speaker 1: you know? So they'd be like, maybe like you only
Speaker 1: can sing a minute of a song because people lose
Speaker 1: their interest. We can sing that whole song up until
Speaker 1: the come on? Don't you know that? I love you,
Speaker 1: I need you, I want you. I want you to
Speaker 1: put it to the end to the song when you
Speaker 1: hit the record go off, that's a blessing. None of
Speaker 1: it would I be if it won't for your baby,
Speaker 1: because I'm so tired of me long. If it won't,
Speaker 1: none of it rhymes. If it won't to you, that's
Speaker 1: that church. And will won't he will? That was the
Speaker 1: most incorrect English. Or maybe you know what it mean.
Speaker 1: Won't he win? That mean didn't he? Did? He? Ever? Know? What?
Speaker 1: Did he did? Did he not do it? We understood?
Speaker 1: So that comes out before Superwoman. So does that speed
Speaker 1: up the process at a lecture at the time to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going with a little more right now, because we
Speaker 1: all know how that ship goes to sign and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and they're doing whatever they're doing, but we're
Speaker 1: not really paying that much attention. It didn't speed up anything.
Speaker 1: I had to send that record back to clue they
Speaker 1: wind up literally rushed putting it together. Duro was his partner,
Speaker 1: so the fact that he was an engineer mixing right
Speaker 1: there in there clues to have a thing called Monday
Speaker 1: Night Mixtape in New York and Hot ninety seven back
Speaker 1: then he played it on his show. He made the
Speaker 1: label catch up. He was like, he said, I promise
Speaker 1: you so it's fab on there at the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: because fab as a new artist. Yes, so while we're
Speaker 1: in the studio and once I send it a clue
Speaker 1: because that beat was initially for m O P. Let's
Speaker 1: let's let's start there and would have been talking about
Speaker 1: kidnappings all off Goldeth everywhere. But they was like, who
Speaker 1: you wanna get on it? Because that would be dope
Speaker 1: if you have a rapper. So by that time I
Speaker 1: had already worked at everybody you want to get young,
Speaker 1: get one getting him? You want on it? I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: the boy, I'll be spelling his name or everything spins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came. They look called Fabulous Sports, so he's look
Speaker 1: on spis so he comes to the studio him. That's
Speaker 1: when he was with Webb and Chail and I remember
Speaker 1: like they came with yellow bandannas on and chicken boxes
Speaker 1: and he had the next Heil pager like this. So
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm gonna let you do
Speaker 1: your thing. Do you need anything? He was like no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Just he said, well I add so I
Speaker 1: leave out and I come back. I was like, you done?
Speaker 1: Oh lord, I hope this thing sounds dope. Is the
Speaker 1: Monday night mixtapes he'd be doing, yo, he was like,
Speaker 1: So he said, just let me just let you know.
Speaker 1: I did a little something on the intro just in
Speaker 1: case you could keep whatever, and then I added something
Speaker 1: on the end. So soon as he was like, I
Speaker 1: guess I ain't got no reason to main go around
Speaker 1: what he said. I found a superwoman that could leap
Speaker 1: from the truck. I said, we out of here, and
Speaker 1: I heard his yeah, we are at it by that time,
Speaker 1: because you know music at this point, are you new?
Speaker 1: You know hits? At this point you're around Missy, you
Speaker 1: can I was like, that's it, that's it. So remember
Speaker 1: back then, if you put out a record, the label
Speaker 1: can cease and desisted and stop it. But it was
Speaker 1: getting so much Bird, I've been cease and desisted. I
Speaker 1: have to have you. No. I kind of cease them
Speaker 1: on Shots Fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah, own label because because
Speaker 1: they were trying to get it. Yeah, and they were like,
Speaker 1: your records going to interfere And I was like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean, and now you can put out Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should have we should have stayed with it. But
Speaker 1: you know what what's crazy is is that everything that
Speaker 1: we wasn't allowed to do then doing that, And I'm
Speaker 1: like everything I'm not supposed to do. Yeah, Like I've
Speaker 1: literally I can't feel a hit record I've been around
Speaker 1: because I've been around everybody from the Missies, the Tams,
Speaker 1: j jay Z's, the A And I was like, I
Speaker 1: knew everybody, so I knew what a hit record felt like.
Speaker 1: Damn the Sun because you look for you to pop
Speaker 1: up on a record like Parking Lot. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: gotta really, they got to really getting his bag to
Speaker 1: understand that little Mo was on Parking Lot then. And
Speaker 1: then Jay call you like yo, because I used to
Speaker 1: think I was his cousin come to the studio. I
Speaker 1: used think I was everybody's cousin, from John Key to
Speaker 1: jay Z. That's crazy, that's crazy. That's insane. It's crazy
Speaker 1: and to him and I want to know, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if people I pay attention to a lot
Speaker 1: of different ship. When you would sing hooks for niggas,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't sing them as a girl. You would sing
Speaker 1: the hook as they would sing the hook, which was
Speaker 1: very odd to me, really like, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: what's the fabi? Um? Can't let you go? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well you're singing to the girl with him, but you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be the girl. But parking lot pimping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're singing about parking lot pimper like you wanted to. Yo.
Speaker 1: I really I didn't even you know what, I I
Speaker 1: don't even think about that. I just thought about that. Yo,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You could get me in the woking lot hollydad.
Speaker 1: But just that I think about it, I used to
Speaker 1: want to be big and a nigga so bad because
Speaker 1: you really had to be as Na. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was like I like I had to That's a
Speaker 1: great perception. That is crazy. I'm like, really did that?
Speaker 1: Look at whatever this is. I'm buying the whole bottom.
Speaker 1: I none of those this this is a vibe um
Speaker 1: got me thinking of this mother son. So there's also
Speaker 1: life I won't say after music, but all within music,
Speaker 1: where it be TV and radio And what were those
Speaker 1: transitions like and that did they come at a at
Speaker 1: a time where you needed them or were they things
Speaker 1: that you just decided, you know what, I want to
Speaker 1: branch off and do some other things. Let me get
Speaker 1: in to this space because you know, I know, from
Speaker 1: an artist standpoint, there are we all know there are
Speaker 1: there are mountain tops, and then there are valley loads,
Speaker 1: and then we gotta we gotta gotta livot, we gotta pivot,
Speaker 1: we gotta scram. You know what what you'a got for
Speaker 1: me over there? Yeah? Okay, all right, we fight, We
Speaker 1: fight the chickens. Alright, alright, I'm the announcer at the
Speaker 1: chicken fights on Wednesday nights. They got it's it's okaya,
Speaker 1: come see me chicken fights and I'll be at the bullfight. Yo. Yo,
Speaker 1: He's like, no, people have no idea. So how do
Speaker 1: you get to television? I did radio first, Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is how I got in the radio. It's so crazy,
Speaker 1: I would um, I was. I was living between Merland
Speaker 1: and New York at the time, and so I used
Speaker 1: to watch Martin in high school and so ye like
Speaker 1: when I met Martin, I'll myself. Had it not been
Speaker 1: for you, I wouldn't have been able to do radio. Um.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Ursulain Radium is my home girls, Martin sisters,
Speaker 1: who I love very dearly. Everybody wanted the podcast to
Speaker 1: believe trust and believe um. So I remember Tracy Clarity
Speaker 1: was the program director at High nineties seven and so
Speaker 1: one day I think I filled in for I used
Speaker 1: to feel it for Angie Martinez. I would feel it.
Speaker 1: I feeled it one night for Funk Flex. Everybody used
Speaker 1: to have had me feeling. I filled in one morning.
Speaker 1: That's what started Buck while I was there. So she
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, do you want come working radio?
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I will, But the
Speaker 1: labels like no, because that will be a conflict, yea
Speaker 1: competition and conflict. And yeah, that's what I learned. They
Speaker 1: used to tell you know that I can't tell you
Speaker 1: know because they'd be like, dude, you that's discrimination. You're
Speaker 1: telling me I can't work. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: How imposed to take care of my family? So I
Speaker 1: did radio because of that. And then when I got
Speaker 1: pregnant with my daughter Heaven, that's when I was just
Speaker 1: like THEA. Mitchem her and James Stevens. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: got history with all the O G S. THEA. Mitchell
Speaker 1: gave me my first afternoon drive show in Baltimore. It
Speaker 1: was called X one O five seven. They had just
Speaker 1: switched from like talk radio or sports radio to hip
Speaker 1: hop and R and B. So mind you ninety two
Speaker 1: Q had been there for years, so we were a
Speaker 1: new black station coming into a market that you're at
Speaker 1: least expected to make it because Baltimore, you don't like you.
Speaker 1: We were at least expected because you were at least
Speaker 1: expected to make it. Especially it was almost like remember
Speaker 1: when Power Want to Fire started? Oh how ninety seven
Speaker 1: being here, you ain't gonna last. Ninety years later we lasted.
Speaker 1: So it's just like I was just like, look, I'm pregnant,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like this is my first child, feel
Speaker 1: like going on the road. And she was like okay,
Speaker 1: and she said, if you listen to pay attention, you'll
Speaker 1: have a number one show. I listened to. I paid
Speaker 1: attention and I had a number one show against the
Speaker 1: We beat the number one shows. That was in Maryland.
Speaker 1: So after I had my daughter, I wanted to stay there,
Speaker 1: but the label call was just like, yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 1: You go back outside, y'all, And that's when I started. Um,
Speaker 1: I did Meet the Girl next Door album, so I
Speaker 1: did that whole album pregnant, So I was like, no
Speaker 1: much pregnant recording a whole album remember Mike Michael was
Speaker 1: in the studio. I was like walking from the studio
Speaker 1: recorded and then just like the birth of my daughter,
Speaker 1: I was like back out on the road, like a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, and I remember John Peki called
Speaker 1: me nice said, you're died from you together. Don't be
Speaker 1: got out of weeks after six weeks. And I was
Speaker 1: outside before that because I just I've never said, if
Speaker 1: you realize, I've never sat down a day in my
Speaker 1: life since I was fifteen, even before then, Like I
Speaker 1: was doing that. Really, come on, let's talk about that though,
Speaker 1: man ter, I gotta started, what are we doing? Think? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it was like I was every time I have
Speaker 1: a kid, people like every time you put out an album,
Speaker 1: you have a baby. I'm like, damn it, I gotta
Speaker 1: stop this man. So it was like you know, once, yeah,
Speaker 1: once my daughter she was born, and she was like
Speaker 1: she's to this day, she's twenty years old. She's at fast.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I just felt I could take
Speaker 1: on the road. So she's been on tour and everything,
Speaker 1: and they let her get her shots early because you know,
Speaker 1: you posted to weight like eight weeks, but she had
Speaker 1: teeth at like two months. Right at that two month
Speaker 1: mark when they puposed to get this. So I was
Speaker 1: just like we all siwe We was in Jamaica and
Speaker 1: was like and my mom and daddy because I would
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not hiring on nanny. I don't trust
Speaker 1: people around my kids because of trauma that happened to
Speaker 1: me when I was a child. So I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my mom and dad used to travel a road
Speaker 1: with me to the good stuff, and they were preachers,
Speaker 1: so there was circles and prayers formed around us preachers
Speaker 1: to yeah, my dad's a bishop both but he's the
Speaker 1: cool money driver. Yeah. Yeah. I had to fire him
Speaker 1: because he sleep one time and I was like, we
Speaker 1: can't have that. The Lord covered you though, because you
Speaker 1: still the Lord covered because we ain't and no ditch child.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the church trips how many times we
Speaker 1: didn't know if those drivers were licensed. You got to
Speaker 1: look to that side of the room when you have
Speaker 1: church and stuff, and you know, we never knew if
Speaker 1: the deacon or whoever was driving had a license. And
Speaker 1: the band they never got old changes made that stuff. Yes,
Speaker 1: we just to the church. Christian Union Missionary had a
Speaker 1: church buts and then and then uh, we broke down.
Speaker 1: We had the vans out in Marylanney always drive a
Speaker 1: coach bus and you had to pay the money and
Speaker 1: always be the people that he had the money. We
Speaker 1: take the trip in in Milwaukee, we take the trip
Speaker 1: to Great America. And then when I got to Maryland,
Speaker 1: that's when we that's when it was six and you
Speaker 1: get to go on the church six flashship or your
Speaker 1: school was going to the trip and you got to
Speaker 1: go to the summer church trip. Was cool because you
Speaker 1: you might have made a little connection, got a little
Speaker 1: little girlfriend. You know what I'm saying. You didn't know.
Speaker 1: We went to your church and you just made somebody.
Speaker 1: You might have been looking at the choir or something.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, yeah. And when you got to six
Speaker 1: Flags or whatever, where y'all is going, you know you
Speaker 1: you want on your own, you know where you went
Speaker 1: your way. You sitting next to her, her boyfriend to
Speaker 1: the church because the church girls do a little bad
Speaker 1: boys that used to be crazy. Actually became my girl friend.
Speaker 1: But she cheated on me. She cheated on me. Connor
Speaker 1: with the church, he was a good guy. I actually
Speaker 1: became a really good friend. Um. But yeah, yeah, remember
Speaker 1: the church. The church tis used to be lit. Everyone
Speaker 1: on the church, So you're doing radio. I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up the change, so um radio doing the radio. I've
Speaker 1: actually been on your radio show. So congrats to that,
Speaker 1: because radio is not easy. It's not because you think that, oh,
Speaker 1: because when you watch more, you think you just get
Speaker 1: to talk. But it was like, no, you have to
Speaker 1: do segments. You have to have fifteen seconds to like
Speaker 1: everything is just like, yeah, what's up? Names traffic up next? Okay,
Speaker 1: make sure you're leaning into this, and then we need
Speaker 1: to make sure you get to get the Walmart thing
Speaker 1: in and then get the all that. Then you have
Speaker 1: to make sure that people listening because they're going to
Speaker 1: tune out, but you got to make sure that you
Speaker 1: have to keep it. Like when I learned those metrics,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what do that mean? And then
Speaker 1: it was just like, yeah, that's the people who turned
Speaker 1: but they always come back, So you have to wear radio.
Speaker 1: They don't see you, they just hear you. So you
Speaker 1: have to honestly go up to people that's least expected
Speaker 1: to turn into you. I became the one that they
Speaker 1: least expected to tune it. So I had an audience
Speaker 1: because mind you. We're going from talk radio, so that's
Speaker 1: mostly that's not black people. We don't want to listen
Speaker 1: to people talk. And I think it was like sports
Speaker 1: radio or whatever it was. So it was just like
Speaker 1: they're going from the good old boys and the people
Speaker 1: that like, I don't know why to coming into loud
Speaker 1: mouth a little month. I kind it out next a
Speaker 1: bog me and your ruling them. You feard me. So
Speaker 1: it's going from regular to dag on their ratchet. But
Speaker 1: it worked. It works. So how do you go from
Speaker 1: how do you go from radio being successful at radio
Speaker 1: to television? Just like honestly paying at jim M. I
Speaker 1: always see. I don't even watch TV now, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. But I always just like, as long as
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do me, I'm like, that's what people like,
Speaker 1: let me be me, and that's what people like because
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's real. When you try to make me
Speaker 1: something I'm not or saying something that I don't want
Speaker 1: to say, like trust me and this have like trust
Speaker 1: me on this. I'm gonna give it my all, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know that's not gonna work because
Speaker 1: I've come from greatness, so I've like I've been through
Speaker 1: the school of hard knocks. I learned. I learned basically
Speaker 1: the hard way. But and everybody thinks it was easy
Speaker 1: because it goes from John too Missy to Jay to
Speaker 1: go to all of that stuff. But it's like I
Speaker 1: was learning that whole time. So what I learned as
Speaker 1: a teenager brought me into my adult life. So when
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of artists, why is you doing ready, and why did
Speaker 1: you do a TV? Your fans ain't gonna like you,
Speaker 1: dada da da, because that makes you look a certain way.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that ain't gonna like me. And
Speaker 1: if they don't, I don't care. They're still gonna look.
Speaker 1: So whether you like me, love me, hate me, you're
Speaker 1: still gonna watch because it's gonna be real. And I
Speaker 1: realized over the years the reason why people have always
Speaker 1: gravitated to me to be like, yo, you keep that
Speaker 1: just so real, like what you like When I get drunk,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn this bit up. You are, ye, don't.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's a conversation that Tank and I
Speaker 1: have and we've had many times with his career. From
Speaker 1: me being on the business side of his career and
Speaker 1: me saying to him that when you have a gift,
Speaker 1: a real gift, you can't over saturate a real gift
Speaker 1: and there's no way to get away from that. Right,
Speaker 1: So someone telling you, oh, they ain't gonna like this,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna like that. No, you're just bringing more eyeballs
Speaker 1: to your gift and you're actually enhancing it because now
Speaker 1: you're giving your personality, which before social media was really
Speaker 1: tough for the wait for Cything Horner to call somebody
Speaker 1: knew you one way and you from from your videos
Speaker 1: and your your outcome or if you was looking like
Speaker 1: I was on Jay Lenno before I even had songs
Speaker 1: that so Missy took me on it like and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, have conversations, right, because the gift for
Speaker 1: me was social media, you know what I'm saying and
Speaker 1: actually going to meet people because people just assumed something
Speaker 1: about me because of the preacher's kid, and he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done. Preachers preach mass me up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But a legend industry style, a legend for a lot
Speaker 1: of wrong things. But like let's talking about people. Aired.
Speaker 1: The media brought it back essential media. People got to
Speaker 1: see my personality, which is the one thing missing from
Speaker 1: you know, all of my photos and and probably my music.
Speaker 1: It wasn't well rounded in terms of you know, who
Speaker 1: I really am. You know, all they saw was you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's all they saw. You said,
Speaker 1: you can't trust the nigga who bites his mouth to
Speaker 1: make it so look skinny to you. Watch the niggas
Speaker 1: who do that. I'm not saying that you were just doing.
Speaker 1: Those niggers that do this, they can't be trusted. I
Speaker 1: can't be trusted. Okay, just remember that I got sisters
Speaker 1: and I got a daughter, so I be looking at looking.
Speaker 1: If a nigga's doo lander's face can't trusted, you can't trusted.
Speaker 1: People would meet me and be like you are not
Speaker 1: what I expected. Because as soon as I walk in up,
Speaker 1: what's happened? What we're doing? Okay? We even sandwiches? Who
Speaker 1: needs a sandwich? I'm passing out the sandwiches at the luncheon?
Speaker 1: Who needs drinks? I got the ice team? You want
Speaker 1: sun that's got you like on that and then like
Speaker 1: you're great, Yeah I thought you were in that. That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That crazy. So many times when I
Speaker 1: first started working with Tank. Really it was like, wow, dude,
Speaker 1: this dude like he mean and always got shirt off,
Speaker 1: like bro the nigga coolest hell. But nobody knew that
Speaker 1: because they only saw the album coverage, the videos and
Speaker 1: heard the song and they and they saw Preacher's Kid.
Speaker 1: Those are the things. Those are like you watch kid again,
Speaker 1: watch again. I get it. Yeah it was, but I
Speaker 1: mean god in that you feel like your television moment
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for people to actually see all of
Speaker 1: your personality and not just hear you. Yeah, they get
Speaker 1: to see actually like why it was so aggressive and
Speaker 1: then I realized, you know when yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: heard was she did this. That's but that's the one
Speaker 1: that just makes it feel like that's ever had a
Speaker 1: bop off a little Kim. I need to have one
Speaker 1: of these because it was just like that Joe like
Speaker 1: even to this day was something I'm like, who, no
Speaker 1: other girls maybe total maybe total total, Yeah, but people
Speaker 1: really just bop they would because I came from you
Speaker 1: know side, that's not I always hated that, so I
Speaker 1: always looked the one always. Actually I was allowed to
Speaker 1: do that with John Pie Kid Jump. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: be like no, you could be you could be youthful,
Speaker 1: you could be a young person. They was jumping at
Speaker 1: your stage. I was like John concerts. Those concerts we
Speaker 1: would actually wear street clothes. Yeah, and that was like
Speaker 1: kind of frowned upon church, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But we got to dress how we wanted to dress
Speaker 1: to come to a John p Key concert, and we
Speaker 1: got to turn up, turn up, and he would mix
Speaker 1: in you know a lot of the secular music with
Speaker 1: the band playing certain stuff, and we'd be like this
Speaker 1: the oh my god, this is crazy, and they would
Speaker 1: know me should go to the like, oh God, just
Speaker 1: imagined being in church, but not really in church, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was like they gave you
Speaker 1: outside of love, that a lot of outside something. I
Speaker 1: just grew up in the wrong place, man, like he
Speaker 1: just if I would have grew up like in the
Speaker 1: South for the middle. But all of those churches didn't
Speaker 1: have all of us, all all of our probably our
Speaker 1: home churches basic they were basic. My church was traditional, basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my church. Some of the you know, some of the
Speaker 1: breaking of the traditions in my church. It was me
Speaker 1: and that was from me going to see John b
Speaker 1: KEI and hanging out with John Pike and listening to
Speaker 1: John like and listening to the commission like that was
Speaker 1: me trying to break those traditions and say, man, we kids, Man, yeah,
Speaker 1: why do we have to listen? Don't pay the risk.
Speaker 1: But we would do that in church. Absolutely, I'll be
Speaker 1: playing all sorts of stuff they're offering and maybe like
Speaker 1: but then they'll be like, oh, we know what that is,
Speaker 1: but you supposed to be deep save spooky, how do
Speaker 1: you know what it is? So but what's crazy is
Speaker 1: is that I'm trying to think who broke it down? Man?
Speaker 1: I think it was Joe Wilson because I was like,
Speaker 1: he plays like he played. I told him one time.
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, don't take this the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Your gift is Lucifer Eric. He's like, wait, Lucifer became Satan.
Speaker 1: He was the most beautiful. Yeah, he walked in music dripped.
Speaker 1: They said he walked in the set music drip. He
Speaker 1: walked and it was a sound. So you're Delucifer. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, nah, that was the most beautiful. But he
Speaker 1: got so caught up. That's why I's like with this industry,
Speaker 1: they come on this industry. You can come in if
Speaker 1: you come in. That's why I learned to have tough skin,
Speaker 1: and I get it. I came in just like just
Speaker 1: wanted to work. Oh my god, I could say, and
Speaker 1: that's how you get taking advantage of So now I
Speaker 1: get it. If you come and smiling, the hippy and
Speaker 1: excite it, they're literally devout. I've seen people devour and
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn SI And I always thought, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pass me, because why am I still here?
Speaker 1: Because I survived, not only to turn up what was in,
Speaker 1: what was in parted and placed into me as a
Speaker 1: child and as a team. It carried over to to
Speaker 1: this day. Now forget it. So it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was never your last. It was you were.
Speaker 1: You were given an extension on you because let me
Speaker 1: tell you something about you. We talked about me. Let
Speaker 1: me just tell you this, because you want to know
Speaker 1: why I asked you a question so many times. I
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't think like people like us,
Speaker 1: We don't realize our gifts have not only changed lives,
Speaker 1: but it's changed the world. Your music has changed my
Speaker 1: life because nobody sings like that. You could do what
Speaker 1: they did. They can't do what you did. So I
Speaker 1: listened to people, I'm like, yoah, that's all take and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you off the record. I was like, child,
Speaker 1: that's that's his whole sound. There's a sound. So when
Speaker 1: we hear you, we know it's you, even if it's
Speaker 1: somebody else. Tryes. Yeah, trust me. People to have awards
Speaker 1: that it will take up this whole run if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for taking this the note. Yeah, so I get it,
Speaker 1: and they'll never and if we was probably a different
Speaker 1: color that would give you all the praise. But that's
Speaker 1: a whole, another whole, another bag. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I've seen people I'm just like, wait, man
Speaker 1: adds they're doing okay, they say that's church. This is
Speaker 1: I literally dumbed down my gift because I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't sound like that, but y'all come on, now,
Speaker 1: we wasn't when Johnny was passing that, Mike, that's the
Speaker 1: air I come from. When it was passing, that might
Speaker 1: let you come out with that damn giving it to
Speaker 1: you no more so what they considered now, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's bullying, that's traumatizing. No, it wasn't it built character
Speaker 1: period period. We were tried by fire, fire fire as kids.
Speaker 1: I had to get that out. But that's not true.
Speaker 1: We were tried by fire. You're not you're not good
Speaker 1: enough to be up here. Have a seat. You're not leading,
Speaker 1: no solo, have a seat. Abundant came, you're ready, say
Speaker 1: you off. You're really off, because you were because I was.
Speaker 1: You're flat. You're flat. Remember. Don't you get up there
Speaker 1: and they call you the sing a solo and be
Speaker 1: like I don't want to saying it's like you better
Speaker 1: sing or else. The Lord is gonna give your voice
Speaker 1: to someone else. God sence we got listen. I don't
Speaker 1: know what this. That's what they call it. Tell me
Speaker 1: and I don't want them to get They ensured like
Speaker 1: you got. You had to be you had to be tough.
Speaker 1: You had to be just born of something different to survive.
Speaker 1: We want people like remember they said Maddie Moore shoes
Speaker 1: at though tennis ball, that she is. We they don't know.
Speaker 1: You're like the lost member of the Clark sisters. I
Speaker 1: think I was. I think I was the cat. I
Speaker 1: was like like Derren Clark. I used to think, and
Speaker 1: that leads to a song that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know about. Listen. Listen, there's a song called Endowed
Speaker 1: Me with You, Faith Evans, Fantasia Coco who song It
Speaker 1: is okay like that a lot of people don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's like the Clark Sisters to me. When I
Speaker 1: heard that record, I was like, Oh, this is okay.
Speaker 1: Whoever decided we're gonna call these It was a Cocoa
Speaker 1: that was like, these are the these are the voices
Speaker 1: that I'm calling. I know when I got to call
Speaker 1: Phil Thornton. He called me. He was like, hey, um,
Speaker 1: we're doing this record. So I know they had asked
Speaker 1: other producers to do it, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: people saw the vision. So he was like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you flyt up? When was? It was a Tennessee web
Speaker 1: A sap Ward produced it. So I sang the whole
Speaker 1: record in his entirety, and then he bought Faith in
Speaker 1: and everybody did their separate parts. So the original reference
Speaker 1: was me, and I was just like because I always
Speaker 1: thought I was a clerk, So Coco wanted me on
Speaker 1: the record. I was just like, yo, I called Fantasia,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta get on this jump. So then
Speaker 1: it just became an effect. I know Phil was working
Speaker 1: with Faith at the time, so he called her and
Speaker 1: but I called fantag like, you need to get on this.
Speaker 1: Coco is my first placement, really, my first placement in
Speaker 1: the music business as a songwriter. A song called so
Speaker 1: Hard to Say Goodbye that I wrote for the Hot
Speaker 1: Coco album. It's my first placement as a songwriter ever.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is Coco come from We all from church
Speaker 1: and she grew up in the Bronx. I've never met
Speaker 1: her though, really, which makes it even crazy. Never met
Speaker 1: to this day, I never met Cocoa. She's the coolest,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I am. I'll be in bad
Speaker 1: be onside, like, oh man, she's the coolest. She gonna
Speaker 1: she's gonna hear this and she's gonna be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's crazy and yeah, and I got to shoot, that's
Speaker 1: like so crazy. Yeah. I love that record though, and
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I mentioned it. And for me
Speaker 1: it was it was like listening to the Clark sisters,
Speaker 1: like y'all voices together special but see asap like he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing and I was scared. When I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you one another crazy thing is. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I was scared to sing it because I knew that
Speaker 1: ASP used to play for Kim Barell, and I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. I don't see like, no, Kim Brew
Speaker 1: a singer. No. And I went outside and I was
Speaker 1: like smoking weed that session to singing and down me
Speaker 1: because I was nervouing, you know what I was like,
Speaker 1: And it was the weed. It calmed me. I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I think my assistant at the time. I
Speaker 1: was like, where how do we get weed from Baltimore
Speaker 1: to whoever we was? But it calmed me and I
Speaker 1: was able to do I was like, listen, I can't
Speaker 1: do none of that stuff. Kimbarell DoD He's like, you
Speaker 1: don't have to. I want you to do what you
Speaker 1: did and the rest is history. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if anybody's watching this, go listen to that. Please go
Speaker 1: listen to that record, because these women are going crazy
Speaker 1: on that record. Y'all are cooking Lina's bro Coco, Faith Evans, Fantasia,
Speaker 1: and Sassy Sea. Little wisdom I would give you good
Speaker 1: was sexy. It wasn't a little wisdom, it was your wisdom.
Speaker 1: A little moment okay, I'm confusing a young widow sassy
Speaker 1: ce so so man So, first of all, thank you
Speaker 1: for your energy at my album released in Miami. Um,
Speaker 1: that was just crazy. It's like that little bos about
Speaker 1: to climb over. That's the climb. You gotta say, get it.
Speaker 1: She probably remember I don't show me nothing, something like
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull a ham strength if you jumped this.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's crazy. After like three days he
Speaker 1: was like you was like, I was like, you can't hear.
Speaker 1: You're left here, Yeah, you can't hear? Said, nope, you
Speaker 1: can't hear. I think she said, who told you that?
Speaker 1: I said more, I can't, but who said it? I said,
Speaker 1: I can't hear? But when were you told this? I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right, I don't believe you. Jesus ain't
Speaker 1: the way he's singing like that and he can't hear. No,
Speaker 1: let me tell you this. This is a real storm
Speaker 1: right here. You're ready go deep. I pay his attention. Okay,
Speaker 1: I watched you on stage. You're saying from monitors, people
Speaker 1: don't do that. They're putting them things in that and
Speaker 1: them things make me like them. I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: do that you sing from monitors, So if you can't,
Speaker 1: that's unheard of. I just I just I made the adjustment.
Speaker 1: I trained myself to be able to process all of
Speaker 1: it in my one ear. So the problem with me
Speaker 1: and inn ears is that if there are no crowd mix,
Speaker 1: I do disconnected. So yeah, if we have crowd mix,
Speaker 1: then I'm with it because I I kind of I
Speaker 1: thrive off of, you know, crowd in the action. If
Speaker 1: I hear something over here, I want to respond to it.
Speaker 1: If I hear something over here or you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like I want to get into all of
Speaker 1: these don't want your singing. I just don't want to
Speaker 1: run through the motions of my show like I want
Speaker 1: to be. I want to be involved with the people,
Speaker 1: So I can't sartist over are just trying to get
Speaker 1: in and get hello, how many song to sing? A
Speaker 1: piece of a song? And you'd be like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I understand people go through things. But one
Speaker 1: thing I respect about you is that it was like
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty degrees out there that day, and I
Speaker 1: was like, let me know when he got two songs left,
Speaker 1: because this letout is gonna be crazy. And so they
Speaker 1: tell me. So I walked now slow because I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to hear these songs because once I get
Speaker 1: in my bag, I'm not gonna remember nothing. But I
Speaker 1: was just like, you was singing in the heat, which
Speaker 1: humidity usually take people through out, like I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to really yeah, like but you okay? And I'm like really,
Speaker 1: not trying to disrespect nobody, but it's just like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen you have an off day, but I've
Speaker 1: seen people I literally saw on the internet the other week.
Speaker 1: They was like somebody sang three songs and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm hors you don't get you a
Speaker 1: goddamn and Hella and steam or pre recording vocals. Don't
Speaker 1: you have these people fly out here and talk about you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna cancel that. Really, I had been I
Speaker 1: had been singing, going crazy, doing promo everything for weeks
Speaker 1: and my voice was shot. I felt like I have
Speaker 1: none left, man, I might have to end up canceling
Speaker 1: canceling open. And he was like, I mean, if you're tired, man,
Speaker 1: if you can't do it, you can't do it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna just see how I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, once I get there and so you know,
Speaker 1: I just got chilled a little bit. I had a
Speaker 1: little throat coot, but um um the red bull. I
Speaker 1: was like, let me see where the red bull get me?
Speaker 1: Because the red bully. And then I had a little
Speaker 1: halls and anybody got a halls was I had halls
Speaker 1: on me? Give me the halls. I was like, me, me, me, me,
Speaker 1: me me. I got a little I got a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just turned that car and it started up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got a little left. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's go do it. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: like for me, like you know, I sing hard. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so pushing through is this is
Speaker 1: nothing new to me. You know what I'm saying. He's
Speaker 1: also a great adjuster exactly, so you'll you'll know, like
Speaker 1: jail no, because he knows how high I can sing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when I'm not when I'm not here and I'm
Speaker 1: down here in this little roles, you will never find
Speaker 1: like when I'm down there here like this, yeah just
Speaker 1: look cooked. And I was like, yeah, I was cool.
Speaker 1: I know, do y'all like this? This is the podcast
Speaker 1: is lit but energy like yeast, Like I want to
Speaker 1: see that though, like because that's a vibe. That's a vibe.
Speaker 1: But I'm just like sometimes I like, I'm all for
Speaker 1: giving people their flowers while they could smell them, and
Speaker 1: I'm always a flower gifing. I like, hey, no, I'll
Speaker 1: never give me mine. I don't look for people to
Speaker 1: get exalted anymore like the real ones. So you saying
Speaker 1: to me like you've been able to rock tempos like,
Speaker 1: and I'll just be like, that's a flower and I
Speaker 1: always hold onto that forever. But to see you like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, when you just imagine when you want to
Speaker 1: hunt it, child, I probably would have. I haven't been
Speaker 1: on a hunt in a long time, really, now, let
Speaker 1: me tell you this. And I was wondering, like when
Speaker 1: I was seeing all the stuff on social media, was like,
Speaker 1: I like the way the strategically he probably recorded this
Speaker 1: week before, Like you was doing shows, you was in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: you was everywhere. Then I saw you singing Come with Jamie.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a long time ago. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. But the fact that I was
Speaker 1: just like you were everywhere and listen some of it
Speaker 1: was us, you know, putting things together in pieces and assets,
Speaker 1: and some of it was just the universe like just
Speaker 1: like it's sprinkled. It's time to you know, put us
Speaker 1: drop some tank content. Drop the tank content. Um. And
Speaker 1: so I'm just I'm just thankful to the universe and
Speaker 1: the people who just lended that to us. Um. So
Speaker 1: we were just on the show singing, you know, singing good.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Um, still having it very
Speaker 1: tapped into our our youthful presence and our youthful gifts. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're still here. What is what is little more doing
Speaker 1: now and moving forward? What is the plan? What is
Speaker 1: it called? Honestly, I'm back to the sacrificial lamb. I'm
Speaker 1: extending my time. So my son is thirteen, that was
Speaker 1: sing these niggas under a bus, but he wants to
Speaker 1: be a rapper because he said nobody sings anymore and
Speaker 1: they keep on saying R and B is dead, but
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not. I'm just like, no, you should
Speaker 1: sing your last longer. So he'd rather be I didn't
Speaker 1: do that, and I was like, I told him that
Speaker 1: he doesn't listen to me. So I told him to
Speaker 1: remake a specific song because I'm just like he came
Speaker 1: out the womb singing. One time he cried in church
Speaker 1: and Kimberrells there. She was like, whose baby is that?
Speaker 1: They cried on key? And I raised my head. She said,
Speaker 1: that would be your kid. You know what that means?
Speaker 1: He cried a perfect pitch, so what the organ was played?
Speaker 1: He cried and I was just like, we used to
Speaker 1: call him fussy just because he used to cross so much.
Speaker 1: But he whined and it gave like a yes, and
Speaker 1: I was like, how did they hear that? I was
Speaker 1: so embarrassed. I was like, why will you do this
Speaker 1: when kim Morella's on stay? But I get it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, son, under stand it's this generation z.
Speaker 1: They're different. They're different. But what I've learned then I
Speaker 1: can place in him and I can sacrifice myself a
Speaker 1: little bit more like I'm gonna go out here and
Speaker 1: saying these old that Saul child. But so far people
Speaker 1: have been loving and liking it. And I've been the
Speaker 1: bag been going jam, yeah, you got jam jams jams,
Speaker 1: and I got and I got a question actually to okay,
Speaker 1: I got to was forever the answer to jagged edges.
Speaker 1: Let's get me. One know what's crazy? Did Brian cot
Speaker 1: St Let's get married? Yes, Yes, I'm pretty sure it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was recording. I was he did you shot him
Speaker 1: out in the beginning of the song becos One know
Speaker 1: what's crazy is I didn't even hear when I was
Speaker 1: That's when I was recording Uh Meet the Girl, Let's
Speaker 1: do album mind Job was not much pregnant, so I
Speaker 1: sat down the whole session. Beacox came to the studio.
Speaker 1: He was like, I song for y'all want you to
Speaker 1: listen to? He might have would I might have to
Speaker 1: give it to somebody else. He was like, if you
Speaker 1: don't feel As soon as I heard but the piano
Speaker 1: had been I was like, I wanted. He was like,
Speaker 1: are you sure I want to record it right now?
Speaker 1: I want to sat down then write nothing down and
Speaker 1: none of those words wrong baby and my the point
Speaker 1: in my life when I'm tired of playing games, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to settle down. The only part that I've ready
Speaker 1: bio like when you listen to the verses, none of
Speaker 1: the ship rome. But I think I was in such
Speaker 1: a space my first child was about to be born.
Speaker 1: I was hyped. Yeah, anytime I hear piano? You know
Speaker 1: you answer my question? Right? What's you're saying? I know,
Speaker 1: I want to listen to no music? My bad? I
Speaker 1: was recording my how so it's not the answer to it. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's the you asked me? You said, did I hear
Speaker 1: jagging a song? No? No? I said no, not even that. Everybody,
Speaker 1: what you're saying, let's saying it wasn't the answer to that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying was that the I was asking? Was that
Speaker 1: the answered because y'all also both say, you know, well,
Speaker 1: what was crazy? Was Nigga saying? When I heard listen
Speaker 1: when I heard that lyric? I said, When I heard
Speaker 1: Let's get I said, that's a horrible lyric, I said,
Speaker 1: but but it's a very weird. What's all that? What
Speaker 1: it is came out? I think There's Mother came out
Speaker 1: like ninety nine or two. Yeah, yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: very real lyric. We ain't getting no younger, so we
Speaker 1: might as well do it, like yeah, and I was
Speaker 1: like getting no younger, babe, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. You ain't gonnawhere? Like did you write
Speaker 1: no my issues? And you know, I look at what
Speaker 1: I'm a wig what's up? You know? I look, if
Speaker 1: a nigga married you without your wig's ups it's all
Speaker 1: the way I might run if that he loved you.
Speaker 1: Waking up with the goose more, waking over that Florida.
Speaker 1: That's you. That's how you you all? Right Now, I
Speaker 1: got I got you. I'm I'm with But when you
Speaker 1: have like when you take your wig off and put
Speaker 1: on a dresser and then you got to meet meal,
Speaker 1: braid's going big if he's like, I mean there like
Speaker 1: a um a mannequin head that you put it on
Speaker 1: and you just put it on the dresser. Now you
Speaker 1: just take it off, put it on a dresser and
Speaker 1: you just be like, don't mess with my wig, because
Speaker 1: back then was like yeah, like a hunter nadalm jomp
Speaker 1: be like a hundred dolt. That's why did you yo?
Speaker 1: I'll be reading memes the girl. This girl really acts.
Speaker 1: She said, So with the ten thousand for pseudo loans,
Speaker 1: are they't giving us the cash or is they gonna
Speaker 1: take it off the balance? Because I want the ten
Speaker 1: thousand can buy me. That's where it's at right now.
Speaker 1: That's why hair companies are making so much money. Who
Speaker 1: would have thought? Who would have thunk. They just they
Speaker 1: just haven't figured out the man wig just yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have they figured it out. They have not. It's
Speaker 1: like some people that got but it's just like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not right about the wig, the full lace front
Speaker 1: shape up. Yeah, because didn't like I saw one. I
Speaker 1: saw one. I've been saying, they don't. They don't call
Speaker 1: the man. Remember they used to be two pages to
Speaker 1: be like that many they glued on and then they
Speaker 1: lying him. But then after they get hot and that
Speaker 1: they start moving. You ain't getting little younger. I saw
Speaker 1: him without his wig on, so without my My second
Speaker 1: question is I actually like keep sweat so on, making
Speaker 1: last forever. That's well, since we want to shout out
Speaker 1: to the sweat, Yeah, shout out to this I worked with.
Speaker 1: He worked with war going about this house and I remember,
Speaker 1: but he used to live at Alpharetta. They was cooking food.
Speaker 1: He was so well, no he can't, so goddamn twizzle.
Speaker 1: I worked WICKI so I did. I'll trade a million bucks.
Speaker 1: And he was in Alpharetta, Georgia. Alpharetta closes down at sundown.
Speaker 1: So like I was like, damn, somebody cooking. I'm think
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring us a plate. He're like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: about to go up he and eating. I gotta go
Speaker 1: do some running around some twig It was some twizzlers,
Speaker 1: go eat and he left. There was no door dash back.
Speaker 1: That was like years old, years ago. So I was
Speaker 1: just like dag. But when I say a low key
Speaker 1: s so I remember the label. They was like make
Speaker 1: um keeps saying these background He said, Man, tell them
Speaker 1: kiss my ass. They can't tell me what to do.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna just do one track of my boy's
Speaker 1: gonna cut right through right. You've seen the cut right there,
Speaker 1: then you do the rest. I ain't doing all that.
Speaker 1: Ship back, ye, I don't do all that. Yeah, tells
Speaker 1: ain't doing yes, So you focus on your son right now.
Speaker 1: You're focused on the future on my son. Like are
Speaker 1: you gonna do anymore? Are you doing anymore? People want?
Speaker 1: I actually have some songs coming, like some features with
Speaker 1: some What's crazy is it's like a lot of the
Speaker 1: artists that are young, so I'm doing some things with them,
Speaker 1: and then I have some songs that's in the tuck,
Speaker 1: like I got songs like Todd Dollars sign. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how are we gonna put this out this right because
Speaker 1: I don't know him since he was a bank I
Speaker 1: know everybody says they were babies like fifteen years old
Speaker 1: playing that Jay Brown's wedding, So it's like we got
Speaker 1: this song because that's what goes like. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I understand music has changed, but for the for me,
Speaker 1: I used to think that not my sound was not childish,
Speaker 1: but I realized it translated it. It has translated to
Speaker 1: this generation. So when they're here, they'd be like, oh
Speaker 1: so I don't sound like old lady. No, I don't
Speaker 1: say like so when they be like, hey, Auntimo, like
Speaker 1: I get it. I respect that. Like are you cool
Speaker 1: with being called antimo? Yes, because there's a thing right
Speaker 1: amongst women, yeah, that they don't like being called auntie.
Speaker 1: I love it, you love it? Yeah, okay, little more
Speaker 1: loves now it's different. I'm cool with that. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be for a minute, I love it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be. I feel like it's like
Speaker 1: the leader again. It just seemed like I woke up
Speaker 1: one day and it was just it was just overwhelming
Speaker 1: amount of unc and O G. And I was like,
Speaker 1: has it happened that as I'm plucking the graves out
Speaker 1: of my beer and I'm like, it's happening to you.
Speaker 1: It was just like when you when you get that show.
Speaker 1: This is what they do. Y okay? So what age? What? Like? What? What?
Speaker 1: When is a good time? Because I always thought once
Speaker 1: you turn forty, like that's Auntie. I know there are
Speaker 1: people that don't call me women that just feel a
Speaker 1: way about that. I think it's a term of endearment,
Speaker 1: like what she is. When they'd be like, that's my bitch,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, that's cool, but don't call me
Speaker 1: that no more like if you don't know me like that,
Speaker 1: you feel me be like yo, because we say that
Speaker 1: Baltimore has a term of endearment. There are certain things
Speaker 1: that we said. But when they'd be like auntiem or
Speaker 1: when I go to my to my son's all my
Speaker 1: son's football preak, just all the kids be like ah mo,
Speaker 1: And I love it because the aunt has always been
Speaker 1: the mom that wasn't your mom. You could go to
Speaker 1: your hunt you understand. Yeah, I know people that's Auntie
Speaker 1: like like they're the same, just they like section that's
Speaker 1: the hood. Yeah, that's the hood for you. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that because the aunt bag then was like if he
Speaker 1: was an auntie, it was just like that mans that
Speaker 1: you was older. But now it's just like aunties grandmas
Speaker 1: and like we don't like I feel like auntie is
Speaker 1: the flies of all the things you can I ride
Speaker 1: in yourself. It's cool. I should watch my uncle get
Speaker 1: flying for all that fucking this rode he put his
Speaker 1: smell good. That smell good. Tell me how you know
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of the lady. You gotta open
Speaker 1: the door and make sure they got flowers and that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying so like that, no more start
Speaker 1: Yeah I am. You know, I'm saying, shout out to
Speaker 1: the o G in the field and that's me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what's crazy is many people won't
Speaker 1: make it to for people to even care about them,
Speaker 1: Like look at the comments and be like that, oh
Speaker 1: there's bitch what they like? No people just I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do Instagram let this one go through? Something? The
Speaker 1: other day? Now, somebody was on the internet the other
Speaker 1: day was like I had sex was something something, And
Speaker 1: I was like cap all I said was cap. I
Speaker 1: was like, what story was? People like you too old
Speaker 1: to be talking at younger I was like, I just
Speaker 1: all I said, all I said was calp. I didn't
Speaker 1: say what part was cap. All I said was cap
Speaker 1: And y'all got y'all let it, y'all let that round, y'all.
Speaker 1: Luck y'all gave me too much power to yea, and
Speaker 1: my whole jot was bring I'm thinking this cash chap
Speaker 1: and this nigga a lie in peace. No with the ogs.
Speaker 1: We're not standing for the lot. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's an aspiration day. That mess R and B h R.
Speaker 1: You need some R and B information for me, Okay,
Speaker 1: you like you got like what kind of like what
Speaker 1: type of what type of airpo? Because you have to
Speaker 1: be because I started talking about okay, top five in
Speaker 1: the world or like dead are live? Top five R
Speaker 1: and B artists female female and knows it's yours. It ain't.
Speaker 1: Don't don't make it politically correct, yours. Whitney Houston m hm, whim.
Speaker 1: Try to think of chah. I don't gonna look through
Speaker 1: my phone. Who I'll be listening because I listened to
Speaker 1: the most weirdest nest. Oh God, Joe, Yeah that's one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's that was a sound. Um, Who do let
Speaker 1: me try to think who I listened to Anita Baker.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you could clean That's why I
Speaker 1: know people house do you could clean your whole house?
Speaker 1: To Anitas for a champagne on us this time? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, I just saw her. I
Speaker 1: just saw her. Yeah. That was like a slick. That
Speaker 1: was like a slick flick. What you know what Anita
Speaker 1: said to me? What did she say? She said to you?
Speaker 1: Because she never said anything to me? What did she say?
Speaker 1: Anita said? Anita said, you can't leave us? Now? Why
Speaker 1: was she saying? What does she say? She just looked
Speaker 1: at me. She's like, She's like, you can't leave us? Confirmation?
Speaker 1: How do you even know? I'm trying to get you
Speaker 1: not to retire. I'm trying to figure out how she
Speaker 1: even knows. Baker says, you can't retire Anita Anita in
Speaker 1: her own in her own stress dimension, her own realm.
Speaker 1: That way, you don't have to concern herself. And she
Speaker 1: said to Reill, can that retire? So okay? Neither, But
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ship, Yeah, that hurt. That hurt me. You
Speaker 1: heard it here first. He's probably not retiring. Go ahead, Baker,
Speaker 1: you kill. I'm gonna tell you so y'all might not remember,
Speaker 1: but I listened to his songs and he's went on
Speaker 1: Kenny Green. We not what because a lot of people like,
Speaker 1: what do you remember? His song made you a crown
Speaker 1: and call y'all this version in the sky. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm naming like people. Ken Come on, come on, give
Speaker 1: us some you know what, Give give him some Kenny
Speaker 1: Green history for the people who don't know Kenny Green. Like,
Speaker 1: Kenny Green was special, yea, he was ahead of time.
Speaker 1: And I remember what I meant in my cry because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think you realized how much
Speaker 1: you changed. And he was sitting there like this, like
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be like like arrogant or he
Speaker 1: was just like he was like, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: why did you back with? Nikenny Green was the amazing
Speaker 1: group intro he was he did all of them leave
Speaker 1: because he was inside let me monster like I'll keep you,
Speaker 1: I'll keep you satisfied the way his monster. Come on,
Speaker 1: Kenny Green. Okay, that's four. One more. That's four because
Speaker 1: it's more than five, but one, lady, two and two
Speaker 1: are two and five, so now that is one. It's
Speaker 1: really Casey and judea no no no, just one because divine,
Speaker 1: don't forget about and don't no no no, no no
Speaker 1: no and singing leave and singing lead? What's he's singing
Speaker 1: lead on multiple songs? And caseop thinking he's singing lead
Speaker 1: because they have a similar tone during the lead, not
Speaker 1: at singing lead because and it was more quartet. I
Speaker 1: get it, and uh five, I'm trying to think like
Speaker 1: who I will see and I would be yelling at
Speaker 1: so like I like when I get to say people's songs, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sing. You know, you got five kids.
Speaker 1: You need to have a top five. These kids gotta
Speaker 1: have somebody, don't that? Can we come back to the
Speaker 1: no no, don't do that. Mo oh my god, come
Speaker 1: come mom. Like I really can't think of no names
Speaker 1: all this R and B you've been singing with. These
Speaker 1: people are people you've been in the studio with songs with,
Speaker 1: Because I'd be like, even if it's even if it's
Speaker 1: a forbidden name, you can say the name. You can
Speaker 1: say say what you gotta say, likely man at you,
Speaker 1: it's really going Because I'm trying to think, oh ahead,
Speaker 1: say it. I can't think of who it is. Like
Speaker 1: then I would say, Brandy, that Full More album changed
Speaker 1: my life. No one argue Brandy. Absolutely, I used to
Speaker 1: listen to that. Why are you listening to that before
Speaker 1: your show? Nickas? But now I think about it, all
Speaker 1: the people that I've named is always the people that's
Speaker 1: bringing out that. He brought out a sound that was
Speaker 1: a whole sound that people try to emulatelate to this day.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, y'all's not the messy oil. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it's just like but those like I would say
Speaker 1: like that I would listen to before show. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to explain your five five And it's crazy,
Speaker 1: is I've only one I've seen a concerts probably Brandy.
Speaker 1: I've never been to a Whitney Houston concert. I've never
Speaker 1: been to a jod to see concert I have. I
Speaker 1: I've never been to an early I've been the Casey
Speaker 1: and Jojo And that's when it was, I know, crazy,
Speaker 1: stupid crazy. But remember when he was walking out or
Speaker 1: a chicken wing, Remember he grabbed a wing off that
Speaker 1: if we had a show with them. They were singing
Speaker 1: background for father and see treat, what treat? Remember they
Speaker 1: were singing like John everybody That's why when I think
Speaker 1: we did either Jack the Rapper or the b R. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were singing church. I didn't know that. Remember they
Speaker 1: used to get was only fifteen at that time, they
Speaker 1: were kids. Yeah, and that's why I remember. Remember what
Speaker 1: was Donnie Soul show video Soul and they were like,
Speaker 1: so what are your family? I remember because I used
Speaker 1: to study people's interviews, what do your family thing about
Speaker 1: you singing? Because they came up like apostolic holiness. I
Speaker 1: remember going to Bishop Yes, but I went to Johnny
Speaker 1: Graves church one time because one of the Graves used
Speaker 1: to go to school with me. So I went to
Speaker 1: the church. They used to win the Doyles and baby,
Speaker 1: you wasn't coming there with no pants. So when they
Speaker 1: was like, you know, our parents just like you know,
Speaker 1: you ain't living right, and I was just like, don't understand.
Speaker 1: So when they formed circles around me in church, I
Speaker 1: used to crawl for money. You ain't about to m
Speaker 1: just man, because you ain't get chosen. I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, Top five R and B Songs mail
Speaker 1: or top Okay our group, Okay, our group love me better, Kenny,
Speaker 1: like I wish I could write like that so abstract,
Speaker 1: like what made him think of it that? Um, please
Speaker 1: don't go don't you don't have to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't think you understand. I don't think you understand that
Speaker 1: because when people go to the false set up and
Speaker 1: it's just as effective as full voice, you can't leave us.
Speaker 1: I can't leave it. Don't don't try to need of me.
Speaker 1: Don't you know there's a reason. And if you think
Speaker 1: she'd wait too, Yeah, it's gonna be some what people
Speaker 1: just like you can't like those kind of gifts, don't
Speaker 1: they don't come around? Yeah? Yeah, um yeah, um full Moon,
Speaker 1: I ain't even want to run. Come on, man, come on, man,
Speaker 1: come on. If you like she would say, get it
Speaker 1: crack and if you like, must be a ful that.
Speaker 1: So that's three. Um oh, I hate that. I love
Speaker 1: this song because I know this person is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be light, but come on, one of the okay,
Speaker 1: come on, No matter what people think. One of the
Speaker 1: best written songs to me in the world was the
Speaker 1: best sex I've had by R Kelly. Sure craz came on,
Speaker 1: but I first came on. And I want to know
Speaker 1: another fun fact. You know I'm full of fun facts.
Speaker 1: What I want to know because this is like, so
Speaker 1: what from Happily ever After? Case? That's from case Wait,
Speaker 1: mabe what part? Go ahead? Come on, come on wait.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that song before? No no, ive never happen first. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: there is no. I don't know, there is no. I
Speaker 1: don't know. There is no. I don't know. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Joe Joe Brown, shout out my guy, um um
Speaker 1: um Chris Chris. Oh god, I can't think of Chris's
Speaker 1: last name because we got a lot of going on.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what my guy got paid
Speaker 1: for that. Oh no, no, no, no, no, I believe you,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We're gonna get same facts. The
Speaker 1: Greatest Sex is a take from cases Happily ever After.
Speaker 1: I dude, you gonna put him side side was the
Speaker 1: one that had found out and be like, oh Chris,
Speaker 1: I can't think of his last name. It's it's I'm
Speaker 1: missing I'm Chris. This is my guy for you too.
Speaker 1: My apologies brother, when you see this. This is a
Speaker 1: shout out to you. No no, no, no, absolutely because
Speaker 1: it was and I remember the time when it happened.
Speaker 1: It's no, no, no, he had to change. He had
Speaker 1: he had to. He had to that brother publish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he changed it a little bit. But now you greats sex.
Speaker 1: But ya. But when I heard Greatest Sex, I say,
Speaker 1: he beat me again. Damn it. I used like I
Speaker 1: love drama, was like he beat me and King I
Speaker 1: used to always be like this, I'm a catching, I'm
Speaker 1: a guin. Oh I'm gonna kill him with this one.
Speaker 1: And then I heard greaterst Sex. I was like, I lost,
Speaker 1: but but comma no with me, just like like you know,
Speaker 1: like you you know when you hear you hear something,
Speaker 1: you oh, God like what made him thinking that? I
Speaker 1: wish I had written and produced that song and sang
Speaker 1: it that way. Chris Henderson, Chris Henderson, Steve Henderson, Why okay?
Speaker 1: Chris deep ended yes, yes, happily ever half okay? All right? Okay?
Speaker 1: That that it was a three number four was four,
Speaker 1: and I would say five mm hmm, let me take
Speaker 1: because there's some songs, uh I love sweet love Bonita Baker.
Speaker 1: I added that to myself because I was just like,
Speaker 1: do you do you know? All right? That's do it?
Speaker 1: I love those give us a little sweet love you baby,
Speaker 1: she said with all my heart I love were you're
Speaker 1: telling me I love you. I'm gonna give you something
Speaker 1: to sweet love good name. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: no calling off my name. You don't love me. If
Speaker 1: you don't tell me that you don't love me, you
Speaker 1: do not love me. If you don't tell me that,
Speaker 1: Haul it out, man, and don't feel feel no shame.
Speaker 1: There was no social media because now you like there
Speaker 1: was no shame back then you knew your granddaddy had
Speaker 1: three fans. Now that no shame is to another level
Speaker 1: because if you say that and some little hood roach
Speaker 1: go and say she no I and you still don't
Speaker 1: feel away about it. Yeah, that means that man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, at the end of the day, she
Speaker 1: she ain't gonna do nothing. But yeah, because we ain't
Speaker 1: getting no younger, because we already already knew my granddaddy
Speaker 1: had different family damn families. What in his church? I
Speaker 1: found out out later. I was like, he was outside,
Speaker 1: but I get it he's inside too, that way, that way,
Speaker 1: probably with a tony. I'm sure you had to fly young,
Speaker 1: you feel me? Yeah, he first row. You know they've
Speaker 1: thrown them over their head. Now the girls, who is
Speaker 1: all right? Okay? Okay, I love it here, it is
Speaker 1: your place. We're gonna do an R and B voltron Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna build. You're gonna build the R and B artists. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be vocal um style presentation performances they bob
Speaker 1: and their passion. I remember missing one vocal style performance
Speaker 1: and passion swag the whole. Think. That's why I think
Speaker 1: for weeks there, because we've got the coldest who got
Speaker 1: the chop Rick James? Maybe he keep it yo, he
Speaker 1: was outside what he was outside. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we could have another Rick James. That's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's the only certain people, because you know what's happening
Speaker 1: when he's making that song. You know what's going on
Speaker 1: in that studio session. And yeah, okay, so yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's start with the vocals piece it together. Who are
Speaker 1: you going to grab the vocal from to build your
Speaker 1: RMB artist? Who's the vocal you're taking m there? Well
Speaker 1: have to be yours, because I'll be hearing people without
Speaker 1: the without the order to live on the microt who
Speaker 1: would know what that? So, yeah, you don't miss your
Speaker 1: niggas is sick for putting auto tune on your mike,
Speaker 1: go ahead because saying the kid, and they don't push
Speaker 1: it because people don't understand auto tune was not created
Speaker 1: equally jobbed to be singing with the auto tune my
Speaker 1: messing like listen, I literally bought that mike for my
Speaker 1: kids that shout out to tea pain and the money
Speaker 1: he made that you should sell with this store that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore called toys Arrest. Do they have the
Speaker 1: autotun mike? They have and you can order because I
Speaker 1: hope t Paine still get I think, because that ship
Speaker 1: is genius. But listen, that should not be used on
Speaker 1: a grand stage. That should not be you because and
Speaker 1: then when the system go out, see where you know
Speaker 1: what else we can with the time and not to
Speaker 1: remember when we don't need no music. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: stump your seat because we had been saying harmony at
Speaker 1: least three times today that way, no rehearsal. No, don't
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy? Is I love at two when
Speaker 1: you used correctly because it yeah, I think, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: we came to see a computer we didn't, we would
Speaker 1: go to a Max show. Yeah, I phone awards for
Speaker 1: that ship awards or whatever is I know one of
Speaker 1: them ships would the nerds be Yeah? And one time
Speaker 1: I tried and I was like, wait, I try to
Speaker 1: use on the terms, like why does it make me say?
Speaker 1: Because if you have rato, yeah you got you gotta
Speaker 1: push its like it pitched corresmatic family, you sing feeling
Speaker 1: because your chromatic very loose happens, no feeling and auto
Speaker 1: tune the computer don't got her heart. Don't talk about it,
Speaker 1: little mo dude, though, talk about it. Listen, We'll take,
Speaker 1: We'll take, We'll take, the listen. We would take that
Speaker 1: early Mary J. Blige with all that feeling and all
Speaker 1: that grit and all that over anything, with all the
Speaker 1: tune on it over because I've seen Mary lan and
Speaker 1: you could see her every night. She's gonna give it everything.
Speaker 1: She's God. When she passed, I want to pass it up, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. If you think I was yelling that
Speaker 1: night when you like, I get to be a fan.
Speaker 1: I still have the video. She came to Baltimore, so
Speaker 1: I performed with d nice and then Mary came out.
Speaker 1: When she does, I said, I hope when she did
Speaker 1: no more drama she passed out? Did she? Man? Tammy
Speaker 1: was there and I was just like, I think and
Speaker 1: not even go off on the tangent, but I think
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige has the perfect song playlist of maybe
Speaker 1: any artists, so she part of in terms of music
Speaker 1: that that really resonates her, hire being like when Mary sings,
Speaker 1: you know what I love too. It's because when a
Speaker 1: lot of these are people like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: my favorite, I'm like, that's what's up. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to pick and choose who your favorite is, but I
Speaker 1: love artists that Okay, this is my set time, I
Speaker 1: understand it. But Mary's gonna give you testimony like then
Speaker 1: times they have to keep it, you know. But she'll
Speaker 1: talking between she be like, y'all don't know what I
Speaker 1: was going through. I would like, I love when she
Speaker 1: gets into that bag, like minutes to us, you're healing.
Speaker 1: So that's why divertized. I'll be like, look y'all when
Speaker 1: I listen, I'm singing all these damn love songs, but
Speaker 1: a bitch getting her ass beat at the house. Y'all
Speaker 1: have no idea your forby. So it's just like, you
Speaker 1: don't know how many people went through pain, so voice
Speaker 1: you passion Murray like her passion. This is never gonna
Speaker 1: be people like, oh my god, that's the new man. No,
Speaker 1: there's only don't do that Mary, and you can't put
Speaker 1: together a jean to see stop yeah, stop, even if
Speaker 1: you'll be jumping on like or you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: all the leathers in the desert. No, there'll never be
Speaker 1: another day of a mad bind never ever, ever ever
Speaker 1: shoulder at the part whatever, They'll never be style style trip,
Speaker 1: Who put that ship on? Go ahead and do that
Speaker 1: that little goofy dance that abb doing. Do the goofy
Speaker 1: dances somebody doing I know what you're talking about. Who
Speaker 1: be doing? Man, you gotta dan like, who'll be dressing
Speaker 1: the only person that honestly dresses of all time some time,
Speaker 1: all time time? We got some guys and girl girls
Speaker 1: give you this ship. The only person I know that
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Yo, they're gonna Mike. I love the
Speaker 1: way Mary dresses because she gonna wear boot like she's
Speaker 1: gonna give you like when she comes on, she's gonna
Speaker 1: give you how they put it on TV to be
Speaker 1: and I lift the she didn't you know what? Where
Speaker 1: with you a world stage? We're gonna put that on
Speaker 1: power tonight, Ye power book, this is gonna because she Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's gonna give you like she's gonna give you that
Speaker 1: crop like you know, she's gonna rock out. She's gonna
Speaker 1: rock out. Of all times, that part um stage performance
Speaker 1: let me trying to is that I'd be like like,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, I felt that. Um, I got
Speaker 1: start going to shows again because people still be so rehearsed,
Speaker 1: like there's one thing to rehearsed, but then there's like
Speaker 1: sometimes you're just getting that vibe people like you went
Speaker 1: you went past Yeah, you like like you just went sure,
Speaker 1: Yeah like you. It's rare for people to tap in.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think, like, what was the show
Speaker 1: I went too big in a day? Maybe that was
Speaker 1: just like Mary Mary cooking the day she's cooking. I
Speaker 1: watched Mary J. Blige on tour every night, sixty cities,
Speaker 1: sixty arenas sold out, and every uh, Drew Hill, Genuine
Speaker 1: and Aaliyah all will go right before Mary. Yeah, phone
Speaker 1: thugs are clothes and all the musicians, everybody, background singers.
Speaker 1: We would all go out and sit in the audience
Speaker 1: and watch Mary go to work every every night school
Speaker 1: was in session. That's why. I'm just like people don't
Speaker 1: realize like people because she getting what she should be
Speaker 1: higher than that does if people come out moth throw hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying these three songs to go home, y'all
Speaker 1: get your money back. That's out of control. I know
Speaker 1: some people get eight hunted, like you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: think about like when we're not we're not about a tour,
Speaker 1: about one off. I wasn't a tour. Do you listen? Eight?
Speaker 1: I don't know many people, but you know it's crazy
Speaker 1: million of show. Yeah, you're right, Well I think ain't
Speaker 1: a Nitta getting half a million? You just said no,
Speaker 1: But ain't she getting a half of she getting to
Speaker 1: half a man? Yeah? But like there's Anita, there's Murray,
Speaker 1: like I think she I think she's Mary is getting
Speaker 1: almost a million in the show. I think she deserves.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking it speaks to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But when I was, she ain't coming out of the house.
Speaker 1: If you like, she ain't got to come up. She
Speaker 1: don't have to come up. But the let me tell
Speaker 1: you the blessing is because like being around her and
Speaker 1: just like seeing her from like Missy had me around Murray's.
Speaker 1: You know, you couldn't really fan out. You'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and do these backgrounds. And then when
Speaker 1: we were at that the first time I met her
Speaker 1: and saw her and I was about to lose my
Speaker 1: mind was at the Hot Boys video set. We was
Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning. My sister had my nephew,
Speaker 1: I think he was like one years old then, and
Speaker 1: Mary and Latanya had came and We're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But you know, people are like, oh, you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to talk to them, and I'm like why, Like this,
Speaker 1: what ain't do? Mary came to us in our trail
Speaker 1: and she was like, I love your wigs. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call y' all the pretty wigs sis. So she
Speaker 1: was like, where'd you get those? I said, my friend
Speaker 1: that does my hair, the girl yasm was braiding my
Speaker 1: head was getting the wigs at a Flatbush Avenue for
Speaker 1: twenty dollars. She said, twenty dollars. They were charging her
Speaker 1: wherever they was flying her wings in two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: For the twenty dollar she said, IM gonna call you
Speaker 1: all the pretty wigs. And I remember her embracing me
Speaker 1: that night and she was like, keep your family close
Speaker 1: because these motherfucker's ain't gonna love you like your family.
Speaker 1: And ever since then, when I ride out, me and
Speaker 1: my sister got the same Mama saying, Daddy already know
Speaker 1: I can drink under the table because she ain't gonna
Speaker 1: let no, I can hire all the security with the gun,
Speaker 1: let somebody touch her hair on his head. She's gonna
Speaker 1: put her life before mis We learned that back in
Speaker 1: and I realized so when I went on tour with
Speaker 1: Missy when we were Jay LENO have my sister with
Speaker 1: me anytime I moving away, like I can move And
Speaker 1: she got a whole life in the family. What's the
Speaker 1: first thing I said when you came in here, how's
Speaker 1: your sister? You're the first day And let me tell
Speaker 1: you what she said When she was like where you going,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to l A. I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Jay talking about you, talking about I'm the stalker.
Speaker 1: I was just like that. She must have been there
Speaker 1: because she was just like no, because we've been like
Speaker 1: just like, I don't think you realize, Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: leave us. Okay, it's a great vote on that's a
Speaker 1: great votes Toronto. Let's get you, let's get back to that.
Speaker 1: It's a great votes. That's a great because there are
Speaker 1: some people that can sing. But I just know that
Speaker 1: if they put it on Nanda social media. They posted
Speaker 1: up today that you want to go up? Yeah, have
Speaker 1: you ever talked with Mary? No? I was? I Twitter
Speaker 1: backgrounds with Shana. We would love to say it again
Speaker 1: because you know, I just text, Hey, it's me, it's
Speaker 1: your friend Ja. We would love to go on. I
Speaker 1: forgot that. I know it's a whole female tour they're
Speaker 1: going on, and I left respect. Yeah what you're super dollar.
Speaker 1: But at some point that point the Lord, because I
Speaker 1: want to be there yelling Lord Lesia Amen, sister obliged
Speaker 1: to oblige? That would I think that would be so dope.
Speaker 1: That's R and B. So we got we got this.
Speaker 1: It's one special part of the show too. Here we go, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. You know it's it's it's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's becoming a thing. I know you're not scared because
Speaker 1: you're little more. But I'm gonna need you be sassy
Speaker 1: seed for this. Be sassy. Not young wisdom, not young wisdom,
Speaker 1: but more more more snassy. See the Young Wisdom. The
Speaker 1: portion of the show is called I ain't saying on that? Okay,
Speaker 1: so what that story can be? Funny? Are fucked up?
Speaker 1: Are both got you? The only rule is that you
Speaker 1: just can't say the names, and the people gotta guess
Speaker 1: who it is whatever they want to do. But you
Speaker 1: tell us the story and you just can't say no names.
Speaker 1: So many stories you do, know you do. Let me
Speaker 1: try to think, child, Let me try to think of
Speaker 1: Go ahead and take your sip, take your silp, my
Speaker 1: drink here around you, trying to think of bok got
Speaker 1: so many childs any man saying are funny and damn,
Speaker 1: let me try to think it was a good one.
Speaker 1: It's so much that to happen, like foof God, these
Speaker 1: are good questions. I wish you all to send me
Speaker 1: the list trying to think of like a good because
Speaker 1: I have some something like jaw and then I got
Speaker 1: something like what the like mm hmm um shoo. God.
Speaker 1: Thereous be so much stuff that happened to the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm still alive, Like I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: I'm still here because I've been this some fun up situation.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, how does this happen. I used always
Speaker 1: wonder how does this happen to an R and B person?
Speaker 1: Like we're supposed to be almost like gospel. When no
Speaker 1: weapon FORMI get a weippers is farming like I'm loving,
Speaker 1: but the prospering get tricking. It gets real tricky. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think, Um, I can tell you one of
Speaker 1: the best vices somebody gave me, And honestly, I used
Speaker 1: that through my whole career, and I'm glad because I
Speaker 1: think that's the reason why I'm still here. I remember,
Speaker 1: like there was a time when she was I was,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't Murray and I am. The kids and
Speaker 1: I remember somebody they came to me. They was just
Speaker 1: like MO, Like they used to tell people, if you
Speaker 1: do a lot of features, you'll get oversaturated. Then people
Speaker 1: get tired of it. They was like, no, MO, keep
Speaker 1: going because you have something that like a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't have, Like there's there's faith as Murray is
Speaker 1: like this Kelly and they were singing roal hooks, but
Speaker 1: they were just like MO, like you have something. All
Speaker 1: I ax is that because like yeah, like because I
Speaker 1: have been through that, I survived the turn up once
Speaker 1: I got to the church, and I realized, oh man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even leave bird with the devil. I
Speaker 1: just did drugs out of drink. Like so now when
Speaker 1: I celebrate, I'm just like your eye beat all the
Speaker 1: fucking odds. But when this person told me, they was like,
Speaker 1: just gonna funk, none of these niggas. But I know
Speaker 1: it was all these bitches like all the Oh I
Speaker 1: took that, and that's what help me. Somebody takes me
Speaker 1: longer to get to where I need to get. But
Speaker 1: when you walk in the room and it be everybody
Speaker 1: from the highest rap to the lowest and crap, can't
Speaker 1: nobody say they hit me from the back. It's just
Speaker 1: like they hit me from And do you know how
Speaker 1: easy it is as a woman when they know when
Speaker 1: you when you touch it, Danny, you go. I was
Speaker 1: at all the concerts because I was all the tours
Speaker 1: and I had access to all everybody. But it's just like,
Speaker 1: just do a song with them. You don't have like niggas,
Speaker 1: even the one even the girls who had gifts. I
Speaker 1: get the girls who don't have gifts. And but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm glad I didn't. And
Speaker 1: then and I'll take the longer rong. I don't care.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I've been divorced three times. Niggas
Speaker 1: job anyway, you said three times, yeah, three times. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know you're Elizabeth Taylor Christian jan Now I'm just
Speaker 1: getting know I'm up there. But it was just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, that was a part of me, like,
Speaker 1: it's bad, I'm married in the burn, So would you
Speaker 1: get marride again? Not to nobody that it's levels So
Speaker 1: we will get married for love? No, you don't, you
Speaker 1: better when you keep going. So you people had these conversations.
Speaker 1: They had this conversation all the time, though, about what
Speaker 1: marriage used to really be about. It used to be
Speaker 1: there should be a businesses it was a business or
Speaker 1: I think black people change that because we used to.
Speaker 1: I don't think the others ever married truly for love.
Speaker 1: They never did. They always had a bad not the
Speaker 1: colonizes who always there's always a play. It was always
Speaker 1: I'm watching House of Dragon right now, I'm watching Dragons
Speaker 1: right now. The tricky situation, the other thing trying to
Speaker 1: marry a little dragons. So it's the it's the Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones. It's the pre free, cool to game of thrones,
Speaker 1: and they got the Game of thrones because you keep blood.
Speaker 1: It's about keeping the family, yo, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the what's crazy and strength in the in the in
Speaker 1: the wealth. But black people were trying to I had
Speaker 1: got married one time, I hold you when my Sunday
Speaker 1: was like, because my ex was a church musician, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get sat down. They came to phone out that
Speaker 1: church don't sit people down. Well, okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. That it means you can't play. No,
Speaker 1: you can't play well, you're supposed to be safe. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that time, if y'all did get married, he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: get this one twenty five a week no more because
Speaker 1: ever heard about those church? Why do you go to
Speaker 1: my number? Because these musicians, now I was getting on
Speaker 1: the ball it up. Why you want me to go
Speaker 1: to the bank and cash. We could have took that
Speaker 1: out off from maybe like we we can't hey you
Speaker 1: for you, We're like you might as well keep They
Speaker 1: told him if y'all don't get married, somebody told her
Speaker 1: that must have been a down self tradition. But come
Speaker 1: to find out that the church was like, no, we
Speaker 1: don't sit people down. And I was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: so she was already married. So then they had got married.
Speaker 1: Like at the Bible study, definitely, they would sit you
Speaker 1: down and you had a baby down south, and then
Speaker 1: the baby wanted to be and your sister brother child.
Speaker 1: Yeah I came up and you know, and sisters was
Speaker 1: really mothers and daughters out communicated from the church. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like a lifetime movie. That was really how
Speaker 1: traumatized if that was to realize that your mama allowed
Speaker 1: to be like almost like a scarlet letter type vib
Speaker 1: not all you're gonna burn it him now you got
Speaker 1: you have to know to get pregnant. Like wait, I
Speaker 1: didn't have to know to do nothing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But that was just like I'm glad niggas
Speaker 1: ain't going for that no more. Just like it is
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, very were you're talking this church
Speaker 1: talk the world so you can survive the church early
Speaker 1: church to firing Brimstone. Are you going to help everything?
Speaker 1: I used to think I was going to help if
Speaker 1: I didn't tell. I never thought I was doing everything.
Speaker 1: Next was at my heels curse until I turned till
Speaker 1: I started doing R and B until two years out
Speaker 1: of high school. Me need to yeah, yeah, church grown man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: graduated eighteen to like almost twenty, let's start doing R
Speaker 1: and B. And it was and it was even I
Speaker 1: was inching my way and I was like, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be like boys to men. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'll be boys to man baby face, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sinkle of bright McKnight, That's what I'm gonna be. And
Speaker 1: then and then I got ahold of that. R Kelly.
Speaker 1: You didn't get with no Rick James, no Prince. I
Speaker 1: grew up some of the music, but I grew up
Speaker 1: on what I grew up on. You you know nothing
Speaker 1: about dirty Mind, but I grew up on like listening
Speaker 1: was able to like when my father had was a bakery,
Speaker 1: he had guy yep, and he had a new additions.
Speaker 1: That was the that was you know, was in my house.
Speaker 1: So no, I want to know. I know, Oh that's
Speaker 1: another person. They can say he will be sleeping on him,
Speaker 1: the monster if they sleep his tone killer killer, and
Speaker 1: he knows it, he knows. Maybe they try to take
Speaker 1: off the intro to the par and the and they
Speaker 1: tried to switch it out with tray songs. And the
Speaker 1: people like they kept. The next week that they went
Speaker 1: back to Rugland got so bad and was like I
Speaker 1: didn't even ask you, Yes, I didn't ask. They just
Speaker 1: put me on this. I don't just want to get out.
Speaker 1: But that's like Joe is just Joe just has that again,
Speaker 1: that voice that that can cover so much ground, whether
Speaker 1: it be whether it be dirty, hip hop or love.
Speaker 1: So his voice just like how does he like? How
Speaker 1: does he know? Yeah? I just wanting to know wrote
Speaker 1: and produced for y'all know. I love Joe. I'm a
Speaker 1: credit read doctor from that era when you get the
Speaker 1: City unfolded, I used to see who on this? Okay,
Speaker 1: okay you nice? Yeah yeah, okay, well listen, Um, we
Speaker 1: don't want to take up all your time because you
Speaker 1: know your family so you know you you are here. Um,
Speaker 1: this is always home for you always and you are
Speaker 1: family to us. You know that we're just letting everybody
Speaker 1: else not his family. You got something bad to say
Speaker 1: about littlemochect yourself protect yourself at all time? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: because like a tricky Yeah, like people look at me,
Speaker 1: People look at me and think it's me. I want
Speaker 1: to know what because I'm like, oh my God, he's
Speaker 1: so nice. He's so yeah, and I love it. That's
Speaker 1: that's a perfect balance to be like, you know, just
Speaker 1: he like, man, we're gonna suck you up. I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I can't. He's like man blood all right. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: saying what he would be saying what I want to
Speaker 1: say because I knew I'll be saying some stuff from
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. Bang, So blood is young blood for us.
Speaker 1: Don't don't get confused, don't. But I love it. There's
Speaker 1: no gray area area. They like you, They don't, you know,
Speaker 1: like we might. No, But anyway, Um, you are you.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely amazing. You are you are, you are not.
Speaker 1: You are not old news. You know you are from
Speaker 1: an old school, but you are still new. You're still
Speaker 1: in the building, You're still on these stages. You still
Speaker 1: have your look. Thank you, I'm saying you have you
Speaker 1: have as your word been preserved for a time like this,
Speaker 1: And what a time for everybody at this moment to
Speaker 1: be trying, you know, to prove that R and B
Speaker 1: it's still a lot and still a thing. And then
Speaker 1: getting and guess who's just been sitting waiting for everybody
Speaker 1: to realize that, Yeah, and here we are so um
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