WEBVTT - SUNDAY SAMPLER - The Nashville Podcast Network (7-14-24) 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:09.040 Hey guys. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.920 Sunday Sampler time on the Sore Losers. They talk about 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.480 stories from their vacation. We'll get to that. On the 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.680 Bobby Cast, I talked with the Legend Americana and Texas 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.880 Legend Robert Earl Keene. He opened up about why he 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.320 decided to retire from the road after forty one years 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.599 of touring. But we have a new podcast on the network. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.280 It's so good. It's called In the Vets Office with 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.519 Doctor Josie. Abby Smyers. She is Dan Smyers, his wife 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.440 from Dan and Jay. They talked about their dog and 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.159 how their dog was sick. So they took the dog 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.360 to the vet. The vet was like, no, dog's fine, 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.800 and so I took the dog to another vet, which 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.560 was doctor Josie. Doctor Josie was like, no, the dog 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.200 guess cancer and they're going through chemo. They talk about 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.720 animals and Dan and Shay and they talk about rescue. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.040 It's a really great episode. Here's a clip of In 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.320 the Vets Office with Doctor Josie. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:55.480 Help. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.160 Welcome to in the Vets Office, Abby Smiers. Hi, I'm 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.520 so excited to have you here. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.360 So happy to be here. Thanks for having me. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.640 You're welcome Anne today. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.240 As everyone knows perfect, she sat right on cue. This 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.600 podcast is biod and she brought with her the lovely Macaroni. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.760 This is Macaroni. She's so good. Yes, yes, Macaroni. We 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.920 call her mac. She has the best ear. She's perfect 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.200 in every way. Yeah, one ear, crazy straight up. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.120 One year down. You actually have attached to it her 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:26.800 little years. I love that. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.959 My friend Andrew drew it for me and then I 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.279 got it tattooed because I love. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.000 Her ears so much. It's so cute. So we have 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.720 a lot of ground to cover today. Before we dive in, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.080 I have to tell one of my favorite stories about you. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.760 Abby and I really like to walk our dogs together. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.680 And I think it was last summer, whatever, last year 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.400 sometime you text me about twenty minutes before we're supposed 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:49.960 to go on our walk and you're like, I'm so sorry, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.120 I'm not gonna be able to come over. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:52.400 Here's why. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.440 And you send me a picture and it's this tiny 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.200 newborn baby deer, the. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.360 Cutest thing that's ever existed. It was so cute, it was. 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.560 So cute, and I'm like, whatever you do, do not 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:03.520 come on this walk. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.920 You must stand vigil safe over this deer. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.320 It did not need any saving, and I learned, Yeah, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.560 but I thought I needed saving. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.720 But you stayed in your house all day, yeah, watching 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:14.400 this baby deer. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.720 Yes, because I was so concerned something was gonna happen 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.799 to it. And it's the cutest thing you've ever seen. Yeah, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.160 I also am so I love deer. I think they're 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.280 just really magical. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.240 And Abby has a water bowl out you guys in 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:27.600 her front yard for deer. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.000 We're in a drought. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.200 We're in a drought. We're in a drought. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.360 How are they gonna find? 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.119 And honestly, the last night, one of the last times 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.360 I was over your ring doorbell camera, your outdoor camera 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.840 picked up a deer drinking out of the water bowl. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.600 You were the first person to ever see them because 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.680 they never use it. They just like look at it 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.880 and consider drinking it and never do. And then finally 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.480 my hard work paid off. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.120 I was kind of like laughing at you in my head. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.880 I'm like, yeah, all right, like a deer's gonna drink 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.839 out of this bowl and then sure enough it did. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.200 Okay, anyways, back to the baby deer, and you're like, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.320 what do I do? I'm like, I don't know. They 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.359 don't cheach us this in bet school. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.320 I'm recognizing that we're going to be talking about animals 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.600 and I'm like automatically using this like way higher voice. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:13.760 And when I'm talking to animals and it's I love it. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.160 So you called a wildlife person. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.120 I did because I had never been around a baby deer. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.680 I love them, but I and it was I don't know. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.120 It was just in a very strange spot where our 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.400 house was situated. There wasn't anywhere for the mom to 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.240 really go, so I didn't know why I would have 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.880 left the baby there. It was a very weird spot 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.519 to leave it, and so I thought it was abandoned. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.960 But lo and behold called a wonderful wild deer wildlife rehab. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.360 Her name is Deborah. It lest you first, I have 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.840 her contact now in my phone and it has her birthday, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.400 so I always know when her birthday is too. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.560 I never talked to her again, but I know when 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:50.760 her birthday is and. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.520 It says like what age too, that's amazing, But love 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.280 her and she told me so. Now that everyone knows 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.920 this about baby deer, if they are laying still, which 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.960 this one was completely silent and with their head down. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.120 They're doing exactly by nature what they were born to do. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.480 So when they're born, they are born odorless and silent, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.560 and mom is obviously not so she leaves to go feed, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.440 and they are protected because predators cannot find them. I mean, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.960 my dogs had no idea that it was there. The 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.360 whole day I did. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.800 Yeah, no, of course, I've never set a camera. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.480 I ustar Ferbo camera and moved it from the dog's 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.640 room and so I could like watch them outside. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.240 I got an update like every forty five minutes. It 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.280 was amazing and it was so cute, and so then 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.479 later that evening you're happy you let your dogs out, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.720 is when it goes down. You let your dogs out 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:45.400 into the front yard. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.880 Yep, do you use the restroom. They had no idea 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.840 the deer was there. The deer was on the sideyard. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.479 No big deal. I have been watching this thing all 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.400 day like my own child. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.000 And it's mother, Yeah, I was its mother. And then 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.240 and then you found out that it had a clearly. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:01.840 Do not trust me. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.359 Yes, Mom came flying out of nowhere, truly out of nowhere. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.320 Jumps yours do jumps your massive fence, You guys, this 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:18.360 is caught on her camera her front house, like security footage. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.080 You're out there and then all of a sudden you 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.360 can see Dan come running outside. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.480 Well, I was in the living room and I could 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.320 hear him yelling no, no, no, and I thought the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.520 dogs are going after something, because they've been known to 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.520 chase a bunny or two. And he I can just 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.400 hear him screaming. I look out the window and I 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.600 see the mom in the front yard chasing the dogs. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.320 He's chasing the deer. And it's I mean, it's the funniest. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.440 It was like he kind of already looks like Vince 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.800 Palm and he's a Steelers fan. He was like going left, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.359 fake and right. The deer's like juking him. It's like 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.200 steps on ghosts. At one point, deer steped on ghosts. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.280 So then I of course called Josie and because you're 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:02.440 gonna be okay under different but yeah, and so, but 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.919 the funniest thing is, I'm like, what was your plan? 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.800 And that's what everyone wanted to know when they saw 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.120 the video, like were you going after the dogs? Are 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.400 you going after the deer? He's just like one or 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.280 the other, because he at one point dives takes a. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.080 Fall, he took a hot mess, took one for the team, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.000 and I just want to say he won dog Dad 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.920 of the Century for me. It was amazing. I'm gonna 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.720 have to post this video so everyone can see. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.120 But also I'm like, how rude that I protected. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.880 Your child all day and then you're trying to tack 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.240 my own. I know all that to say, if you 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.040 ever find a baby deer and just leave it alone, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.720 leave it alone, get alone, go about your wife, your 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.120 dogs inside. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:38.920 And keep your dogs inside. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.240 Mac so Abby and I first met because she's super 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.000 duper involved here in the dog rescue community. How did 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.960 you get involved? Like, have you always been involved in 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.200 dog rescue? How did that come to be? 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:55.320 So it's been ten years almost exactly. I was working 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.279 at Warner Music Nashville, which is right down the road 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.760 from us, and someone was cooing in the hallway and 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.320 I was like, what's out there? And there was this 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:08.320 puppy and my coworker, Rebecca was fostering this little puppy 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:13.080 named Kathy, Sweet Kathy. And I don't know what it 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.360 was about this dog. I just had. I guess had 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.040 rescue dogs growing up. My dad rescued a couple dogs, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.760 but I just wasn't super well versed in the rescue world, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.040 and my mom had had little be Shawn's. I had 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.040 a lab at the time that I got from a breeder, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:32.120 and I just didn't really know anything. But this fairal 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.640 brown dog just stole my heart. And I Textan was like, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.560 should we get this dog? He was like, bring her home, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.520 and so brought her home that day and as a foster, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.080 and two days later we texted the organization and said 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.480 we were going to keep her. But it was actually 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.600 the very first ever Pimp and Joy Week that the 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.200 Bobby Bones Show has done with Amy and honoring her mom, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.520 and so it was like the very first one ever. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.200 There were signs all Overshville about Pimp and Joy and 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.760 so we when we adopted this dog, I was like, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.960 I think we need to name her Joy. We did 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.560 this amazing thing. We rescued a dog, and so that 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.720 is Joy and Joy, I always say, is just the 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.080 reason that I am who I am and what I do, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.160 because from there I got involved with the rescue that 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.080 she was at Proverbs twelve ten Animal Rescue here locally, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.240 they're a wonderful organization. That's right. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:26.920 I'm Biggie from yeaes Sweet. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.200 Yeah, they're wonderful, and so I just started volunteering and 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.040 then from there Dan and I probably fostered about forty 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:38.840 dogs and I just really fell in love with rescue 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.960 and rescue animals. And now we have four and I 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.559 would have one hundred more if I could. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.480 How many people do you think found you? Learned you 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.360 from the Road Goes On Forever? Wait that percentage? That's 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.160 how I found you. The live version, which I didn't know, oh, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.920 was like also the main version. I was like, man, 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.720 this dude, and I think I saw you at ACL 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.360 like like I have a history. I have a history 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.959 of like watching you play and listen to your music. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.400 But I was like, dang, those live records are this good? 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.840 But then that was the version when you recorded that 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.360 or did you know that? Did you have a feeling 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.839 that that song was going to be the one that 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:23.559 pop so hard? 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.760 It's a really good question about it, because I really 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.880 don't know. I can't assess my own songs early very well. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.440 I mean, when I wrote that song, I thought, you know, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.319 it's up tempo, cool, got you know, some drama in 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:38.280 and stuff like that. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.200 But I didn't know to do that. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.880 I didn't know, like that Christmas song would like give 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.400 me fourteen years on the road of Christmas shows I had. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.720 I just have a hard time. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.080 And I'll say this by contrast, there are songs that 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.520 I think are really great and they never catch fire. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.120 People know that don't hear them. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.080 But I love them and I think they're great, and 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.360 I keep doggedly trying to go, you're gonna like this 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.840 song if you listen to it, but it just doesn't happen. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.800 So I don't really have any idea of what really 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.560 is a hit for some reason. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.680 Do you have songs that were poems that you were like, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.360 I got to turn this now into a song? 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.600 Uh? Something like that. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.520 One time, I did this exercise where I wanted to 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.800 write a song that had absolutely no rhyme at all, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.520 So I really pretty much wrote it as a poem 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.680 and then but the end goal was to make it 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.040 in a song, So then then I added the music. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:36.520 So that was that's about it close. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.720 But nothing rhymed the whole song. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:38.200 Nothing. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:39.240 How'd that do? 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.960 It's great, it's fantastic. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.080 As a matter of fact, I got this guy, guy 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:50.280 Baptiste Harman from France to sing it in French. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.720 While I while I narrated it. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.920 In English with the music, and he's, you know that 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.880 great French thing. It's just it makes it so sexy 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.840 when he sings it, you know, and I'm under there, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.120 you know, with this under and the girl did this 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.960 and this, and it's so fantastic. So yeah, it was. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.680 It was I've never really played for anybody. It's just 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:12.880 somewhere and you. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.120 Know, you just have it, ya. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.280 I just I never number one I wanted to do 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:18.520 with it. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.800 I just it's kind of it kind of doesn't fit 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.600 unless you were like this some kind of deep cuts. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:25.679 But it's beautiful. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.400 The I have the box set, so I have the 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:34.200 whole the whole thing beautifully packaged. Yes, a lot of 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.840 different things. There's a DVD. There's a song book. I 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.200 was talking, there's just a lot. There's a lot there. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:38.920 Why that. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.560 It started, it just became that. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.080 It It was like we started with just music and 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.280 recording it, and we did record the d v D 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.800 at the same time we recorded the audio so that 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.400 all matches, uh, And after that, you know, it was like, well, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.800 we've got to have a song book because it's all new. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.320 I'm thinking people should see that. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.680 So we did the so and then I think Claria 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.240 started talking about like somebody was doing a graphic novel, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.280 and I said, well, that would be fun to do. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.400 So we started to get into that, and that was 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.080 the one that nearly killed us because I never that's 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.440 it's a lot of work, a lot of work people. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:20.760 The drawing of it. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.040 Yeah, I didn't, you know, I didn't draw that. I 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.240 I hired that out. But I managed the whole thing, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.000 in the storyline and everything. But I even had to 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.440 get at a dialogue guy to write the dialogue because 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.559 I because I couldn't be as I wasn't as clever 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:34.880 as this guy was. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:35.680 He was really clever. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.080 So I got so I had the storyline, the whole 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.520 the whole visual concept, but I had to get that 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:43.600 somebody I can't draw that. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:44.640 Well, So no, I get that. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.040 I wrote a kid's book and I can't draw it all. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.760 And you know, you have to go and find somebody 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.960 who kind of represents what your texture is, right, which 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:53.760 is a hard thing to do. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.280 I would say it would be as if you. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.960 Were an artist and you're not talking about you, but 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.679 any artist who songs but finds a song that they 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.000 didn't write but still speaks for them. Like that's rare 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.280 that that can actually happen. But I have friends that 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.400 are really great songwriters, but sometimes there's a song that 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.640 pops into their world that they didn't write, and they're like, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.440 this represents who I am and it's odd. And I 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.280 felt that way with finding somebody who to draw my 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.720 words and thoughts, that this person has to draw what 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.400 I'm feeling and how what I'm saying, and that was 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.720 a more difficult process than I would have thought. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.880 Yeah, it's grabbing that feeling. That's that's that's the magic. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:30.079 There. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.280 You're going and you're doing more shows, but you're not retired. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:35.880 I guess I never thought you were retired. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.640 Well, I retired. I'm retired really from touring. So I 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.920 don't have a bus. The band that I put together 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.480 is the same band that I have, but it's just 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.360 because I was it's going. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.680 Incidentially they were. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.280 It was I'm lucky that they still have some space 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.560 in the calendar and then but you know, the thing 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:58.040 is was the the grind of touring, you know, just 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.360 getting off a tour and then preparing for the next tour. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.360 It never stopped it never did stop. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.120 I mean, it's just like kept going, kept going, and 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.120 I just got to a point where I thought I 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.679 was wearing everybody out. So I didn't think in terms 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.599 about like just taking a year off, you know, and 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.760 that kind of thing. I always wondered why those people 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.199 take a year off. They're like twenty five years old 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.800 and they said, I'm going to take a year off. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.560 I said, that's because you don't have any gigs. Man, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.560 don't tell me that. I mean, you don't have to 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:24.320 take a year off. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.720 But I don't know why. That didn't really cross my mind. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.600 I just saw it at that time, and I did 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.000 feel a certain amount of burnout going on with me. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.880 I just felt like I was blazing through a lot 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.120 of stuff. I wasn't really phoning it in, but I was. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.920 I was definitely a little bit muddled, and I really 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.440 felt like I was losing and I did not want 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.000 which is the irony years like, I'm still beat up, 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.120 but I did not want to be one of those 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.680 people that are all beat up and you know, they're 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.160 pushing them up on the stage or getting the ladder 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.640 for them or whatever they're doing. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.320 I wanted to go in. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.040 The best I could go out, but well came in, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.280 you know, and that was really part of that was 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.280 a big part of the decision. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:34.240 Kind good level, cast up, little food for yourself life, ain't. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.560 Oh it's pretty behaved, it's pretty beautiful thing laugh, a 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:44.440 little more exciting because man said he can't cut your 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.200 kicking with full Thing with Amy Brown. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.120 Hey it's Amy Brown from Four Things with Amy Brown. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.880 And here's what we talked about this week on my podcast. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.640 So just to wrap up the you know, mental health 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.920 piece and being unhappy at our job or in I 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.120 feel like it could apply to work or if you're 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.040 happy in a certain environment and you're in maybe your 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.600 group of friends or something like that. But just taking 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.640 that assessment, what are some signs that we look out for. Okay, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.880 this is not healthy because sometimes we're just in the motion, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.560 especially when we show up for work. I feel like 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.480 you show up, you do the job, you're sort of 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.440 detached in a way, which maybe that's a sign. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.800 One hundred percent. There's a theory on this called flow, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.400 and I always like to give it outside resource, in 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.920 my own resource. And there's this legendary psychologist named Mihai 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.680 Cheek sent me high you can never never spell it 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.200 in a million years, but he's got millions of views 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.560 on a Ted talk and he described the theory of flow, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.600 and he was thirty years in his study of flow. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.440 You've probably heard of it, and he basically says that 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.000 flow is where we get to a place where we 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.440 have equal parts challenge, meaning it's a challenging task and 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.400 equal parts ecstasy, and ecstasy in its purest form is 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.720 the enjoyment because it is equal parts challenging and I 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.399 can meet the challenge, so I have enough skill to 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.080 actually do it. And so those are some signs if 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.560 I'm in the workplace and I'm not challenged, like I've 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.600 mastered this thing, and there's not a new challenge, and 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.639 what we do every show is a different challenge, so 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.639 we have that, you know. But if we get to 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.120 a point where we're just on cruise control and there's 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.840 no challenge, that's a sign. The other thing is is 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.040 that I just don't enjoy it. And it's okay. By 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.640 the way, you're not a bad person if you evolve. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.560 Many times we do evolve. Our passions evolve. You know. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.200 The root word of passion is peti and it means 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.600 to suffer. So I would suffer for my kids. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:45.200 And I know you would too. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.399 You know, the people we love in our life, we 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.879 would suffer for it. We would suffer for certain causes. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.960 And so that's passion, Like it's not a romantic thing here, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.399 this is a conviction like I will suffer. And for me, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.399 I realized that broadcasting was something I was willing to 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.760 suffer for, and I made less money for several years. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.679 I didn't contribute to my retirement. I suffered just to 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.600 get the shot to do what I do now because 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.879 I know that that's what I was put on this 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:16.639 planet to do. And so if you don't have that joy, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.600 like even on a really bad day, if you're not 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.160 ready to get up the next day and get back 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.720 after it because you actually love the role itself or 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.560 the task itself, that's a sign. And then we've been 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.760 talking about the other sign, and that's the people part 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.680 of this deal. You can absolutely do something in your 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.760 assessment that says this is my purpose statement. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.480 You could be using what you do best, to do 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:39.480 what you love, to produce. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.720 Results of matter in a sucky environment and be miserable 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.720 because of the people side of it. So if the 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.640 people are dragging you down. That's a sign get out 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:48.880 of there. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:49.720 It's not your place. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.960 But then it's just not as simple as that. You 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.560 may have to have gratitude and be patient. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.600