WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Jesse Johnson Part 1 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:09.200 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Hey, what's 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.720 going on? What's going on? Y'all? This is QLs Classic. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.600 My name is quest Love. You're listening to a classic 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:20.560 episode of Course Love Supreme. Hey, what can I say? 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:27.080 Jesse Johnson from the time you know of Course Purple 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:32.720 episodes are my favorite. This is from August first, twenty eighteen. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:37.479 What makes this Jesse episode so special, in addition to 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:43.760 his storytelling and his amazing life, is the sneak guest 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.520 that he brought into the show that we weren't aware 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.240 of when I was aware of. Anyway, I hope you 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.920 guys enjoy it. This part one of a two part 0:00:52.280 --> 0:01:07.280 Jesse Johnson and Course Love Supreme QLs Classic. I hope 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:08.720 this works. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:19.000 Suprema Supreme, A roll Call Suprema Supreme, Roll Call Supreme, Supreme, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.440 Roll Call Supreme. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:23.960 Supreme, roll car. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:33.119 Yeah, what I'm always getting into something? Why Ia says 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.640 I ain't right? Mm hmm. Some could say, oh, don't 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:42.680 go home with him, or my bark's worse than my bite. Right, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.480 you can trust me, girl. A gentleman, A gentleman never 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.040 tells HM, your secret's safe on site. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:02:04.680 Hey, Jesse, Yeah, come in man, Suprema Suprema roll. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:05.960 Car name Sugar. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.120 Yeah, used to drive a Silica. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.839 Yeah, back when this dude was making Shaka Delica. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:21.480 Supremo Supremo roll Suprema Supremo. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.919 Roll call was five. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.680 Was corrected by my mother. Yeah, I was sure today's guest. Yeah, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.960 it was my father's brother. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:36.519 Sup Supremo roll call Supremo Suprema. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:42.840 Rolls like yeah, and Jesse, yo, just looking for to 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:43.960 go out. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:53.400 Suprema Supremeo roll Suprema Supremo roll. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:03:03.639 Yeah yeah, and yeah yeah, I want to picture. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:15.600 Supreme Supreme Supreme roll Supreme Supreme Ro Supreme Supreme. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.120 That's all ladies and gentlemen. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.600 Uh, clown and early, No, you don't. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.240 It's a long story behind that, you know. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.800 At the same time that can't even y'all get away 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.520 with her thinking she's right there. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.000 Those three seconds, those three seconds are the staple of 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.120 the show. It's a long story. Explain what that means. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.760 But ladies and gentlemen, Uh, nothing sits us more uh 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.360 than getting one on one time. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:49.720 Uh. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.240 What I consider with any purple disciple on quest Love 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.880 supreme and this is no exception. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:58.320 Bring up bad memories. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.120 I'm about to say, paink disciple, you. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.800 Bring up bad memories of that chachadelic or stuff. No, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.800 y'all did. Y'all don't know the story behind. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:07.880 I've heard the story. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:14.760 We don't what y'all hold people, truth had the truth. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:21.080 We're going to get that. Let me introduce you for anyway. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.000 Our guest is a master x men on part with 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.560 some of the best brothers to ever touch the guitar 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:33.480 from Eddie Hazel, Ernie Eisley, the Brother Nelson himself, Jimmy 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:39.760 Hendricks name him, uh turner anybody. Uh, he's gaying attention. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.640 Remember he said he's gay. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.560 I didn't even know what he. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:05:03.480 Remember he's gay. Jesse Johnson, thank. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.960 You, question, Thank you for this. It's actually my pleasure, man. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.160 It's how's it going, bro? It's good, man. I can't complain. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.040 And that's when people you know I'm a true New 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.760 Yorker in a sense, when you ask me how am 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.280 I doing I'm compared to who? 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.880 Yeah, I definitely as you that. Well, Thank you man, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.280 I'm glad you but I'm good. I mean, I really 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.080 haven't had a chance to chop it up with you 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.200 since uh well, since you've been on the scene. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.920 Yeah, no, that's why I I this would what great timing. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.640 Huh yeah, I've done so much stuff together. We've never 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.000 had it, but we're always like jumping out of the 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.560 plane with the parachute on and hitting the ground running. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.440 Part of me always knew that I'd have this platform 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.720 one day, so I think I wanted to save all 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.960 of my fan out moments for when the tapes are rolling, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.279 so I could just ask any and everything, because I 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.919 feel like, I mean, after you broke my heart about 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.760 the the lin drum seven seven story, Yeah, it broke 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.680 a lot of heart, and then I'm certain that there's 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.240 like fifty other worries you about to debunk today. Yeah. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.480 They always say the truth is can be heavy. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:11.600 Truth hurts, Yeah, so uh well, yeah, I guess I 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.520 should say that we are recording at the world famous 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.320 Electric Lady Studios, the house of Jimmy. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.880 And uh Live and Well in New York. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.440 We're actually in the b room, which you know, rarely, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.400 what do we do here, Steve? We did like send 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.800 it on maybe. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.599 One more again, I guess was in here. So a 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.279 lot of vocals and mixing in here. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.280 But Jordan, I know that, uh, I at least know 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.280 that a track send it on here, Like we started 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.880 off in this room before we even went to the 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.560 ap Ram. So like a lot of the early stuff, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.080 I'm sure there's a real Superman Lover on it. Back 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.120 when I think Kim and BB King were supposed to 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.480 do Superman Lover, we're talking about doing D'angelo's Voodoo. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.800 But right, so, Jesse, you never recorded it here before. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.400 I've came here a couple of times when he was 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.480 when d was working there, but I wouldn't come in 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.960 because it's like the headspace in here that you know. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:15.800 I'm a Jimmy disciple. So it's like even now, it's overwhelming. Yeah, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.800 it's heavy because you depending on you know what you 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.320 feel and how you feel things, and I usually feel 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.840 what's going on and it's it's it's beautiful, but it's heavy. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:30.960 I'll say that sixty eight, sixty eight years later, maybe 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.240 would you say that at least seventy five percent of 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.880 the studio still intact from the original plan of Well. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.480 First of all, it's fifty year. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.280 Sixty eight. I'm in nineteen sixty. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:51.600 Yeah, fifty years yeah, well technically opened in seventy. But 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.360 but there's there's some gear that's original, some microphones, but 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.440 but structurally, it's mostly in the structural exactly our work. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.640 And you know, can we can we reiterate to everybody too, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.440 that you kind of grew up in this building for 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.000 some of the New Quest Love Supreen listeners as Sugar Steve. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.080 Actually, you know, I stole Sugar Steve from Electric Lady Steve. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.280 I mean, I'm only like the third most interesting person here. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.040 Use somebody might be listening like, what the hell did 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:15.720 Sugar Steve know what? 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:16.960 Actually he knows a lot. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.680 Yeah, I mean I came up here as an intern, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:23.040 started cleaning the toilets, and then stay for about eight 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:23.840 or nine years. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.960 And wait, you were here eight years before. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.960 No, I started basically when you when you came. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.800 Here, So you were an intern when Voodoo started. Yeah, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:41.640 we told you did else. No, I'm just kidding. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:47.000 I was an assistant engineer, okay, who cleaned the toilets. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.000 At the time. There was a cat here named Jimmy 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.640 that we swore was the actual ghost of Jimi Hendrix. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:59.120 One time he there was what was it, he jumped 0:08:59.160 --> 0:08:59.400 on the. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.160 Board and Yeah, if he jumps on the console while 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.439 you're mixing, meanings like he approves of the mix, you know. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.400 Yeah, but there was one time where he like, we 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.600 were looking for the source of some feedback thing and 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.800 the cat actually jumped on the board and pressed it, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.440 turned it off and pressed some button, and then we 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.800 were forever convinced that that was Jimmy Hendricks. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.400 Plus his name was Jimmy, which which really helped. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:27.880 Yes, that helped, all right, So jesse H, I always 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.480 start each show with this question, where were you born? 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.959 Rock Island, Illinois as far as that from a town 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.079 probably four or five hours from Chicago. It's between before 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.160 you hit Chicago, you hit Rockford and some other Aurora, 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.520 that famous place from U Wayne's World. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.200 Yeah, okay, so. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:50.800 That he thought he had my I play used to 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.960 play in Aurora, Illinois, gains where gains Boro I think 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.559 it's called a Gainsboro, that's something like that. I used 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.920 to play all over those places illis But Aurora in 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.160 the movie, he said he thought he had Mono, but 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.080 he just foo was bored. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.439 And a roar. But Aurora was really like that. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.520 But Peoria, I played one of those you know you've 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.720 seen the storied uh Richard probably talking about the Pimp 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.480 Yeah convention. I played one of those Illinois for real 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.959 and they they're real, Like the dude comes in the 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.959 Pimp of the Year with the cup and. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.280 Well, I was gonna say, you were born in the sixties, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.600 so you were. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.360 Yes, But I played with I was so fortunate I 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.599 played with these guys. Was telling me one time that 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.640 they were all Greens Band. So it was a drummer 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.880 David Govan, his brother Oscar on guitar, brother Dennis on bass. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.560 They were signing there, al Greens band. You know, you 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.720 meet people. I'm in a little town. Came out and 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.560 I'm like, yeah, yeah, right, right right. And I remember 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.319 playing at this bar midnight specials on the TV and 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.040 break and them cats was up there playing without Green 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.520 and I suised to play. It was fortunate enough as 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.840 a youngster to play with some real cats, you know, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.640 get to travel around and just drop out of school 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.800 and all that fun stuff. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.120 Well, for a lot, or I'm saying for a lot 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.240 of us. For me at least, like you think of Illinois, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.720 you just basically think of Chicago. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.400 I grew up South Side Chica. I grew up the 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.439 two cities that I grew up and I was born 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.360 in Rock Island, but I grew up in South Side 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.880 Chicago and one of the other roughest places other than 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.559 the rough side of You've heard Quincy Jones talk about 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.000 the South Side Chicago's joke. It's like escape from New York, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.319 cars on fire and stuff in Jackson Park. It was 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:38.120 really But East Saint Louis was no joke. I grew yeah, yeah, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.760 I grew up in Say Louis. So I saw George. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.000 I think the album might have been I can't it 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.800 was Jerome Brayley, but it was years before the Jerome 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.760 Braley had the stuff that's on the mother George has 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.400 on a Mothership Connection album. Yeah, but he was wearing 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.199 that so they were coming off that thing, maybe the 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.319 Chocolate City. But I saw them. I was a little kid. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.360 I rode three buses to get to They played at 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.760 East Side High And when I would tell that story 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.640 to George, George would be like, oh man, you're telling 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.400 your age. I'm like, no, I was a little kid. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.880 I just was. I had older brothers, so I was 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.880 in the you know, they exposed me, you know, I 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:15.280 we know the Donald Goyn's books and slams and into 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.520 great music, you know, because I had I had, you know, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:22.800 seven older brothers. Whoa damn Wait, you were the youngest 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.520 of seven. No, I'm not like towards the end, but 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.880 I you know, I got older brothers though. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.760 Okay, siblings in total? How many siblings and total? 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.000 Shit? 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.480 Maybe I shouldn't cuss, right, it's a lot of us. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.120 It's it was like twelve of us or something because 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.520 my father he raised everybody, but there were not those. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.600 My older siblings are not his siblings. I'm my father. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.679 I'm his oldest. And then I have a a brother 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.959 and a sister and knows are my father's he raised 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.040 the other cause I grew up and then we never 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.240 you know, and black families, if you got you can 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.640 have twelve brothers and sisters, but they all got different dads. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.960 But you never hear words like that's my step sister, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.640 that's my half. It's like, yeah, sisters same here, Yeah exactly. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:18.000 So were you how did you develop your musical skills? 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.720 Was your family into music or no? But they my father. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.440 He gave me the he It was a lot of 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.400 my household had a lot of like if I wanted 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.680 to play music. I had to be able to remember, 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.079 you know, you know who wake up in my boy, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.439 you can play and then you and I had come 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:52.920 to this stuff like exactly. And if you couldn't do that, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.040 he wouldn't. I wasn't allowed to play some of them. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.760 So I was allowed to play and bands at an 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.800 early age. Because he had all these thick records. I 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.920 didn't know. I think, I forget what they're called, but 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.280 they look like an album, but they're smaller seventy eights, yes, 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.200 but they had no names on them, so they were 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.400 that old. He and you remember the old record players 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.760 because we didn't ruin all of his records, were slowing 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.720 them down and learned that, you know, learn and all 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.520 that and so you slow the record. So he had 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.680 all these collections that was Lightning Hoppins. I mean, it 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.200 wasn't into many years later later that I realized it 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.360 was Lightning Hopkins now. But they had no names on them. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.120 But I had to know all that stuff, and that's 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.160 why I could play Bottleneck and all kind of tunis 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.880 and Robert Johnson because he was like, if you can 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.480 play this, then you can go play, So you're a 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.080 true bluesman to through and through, but just to please 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.920 your dad like he was president. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:42.640 It was. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.600 I was so fortunate in the house growing up. I mean, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.560 when I read your backstory, it just sounds a lot 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.840 like mine, except for my parents were not musicians, but 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.160 they would promote shows. And as a little kid growing 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.560 up in a small town like Rock Island, which is 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.600 very predominantly Jewish town, which was a really really cool 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.880 thing because I grew up in advertley with a lot 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.800 of culture. No, yeah, I saw all my friends. I 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.120 grew up, you know, mantsa ball and the whole shot, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.560 you know, with a lot of culture, but not realizing 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.120 it because you know, you're just a little kid going. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.000 But I would wake up some mornings and there's a 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.440 guy in the living room. I was like, who's that? 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.960 And it was a cat named Major Lance a song 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.960 called Monkey Time. So they would put together shows like that. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.480 My father would, so he would, I guess, be a 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.840 quase promoter, but he worked a gig. He were a 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.480 couple of jobs, but he would promote these shows. One 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.800 day he wake up and it's like Major Lance the 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.600 living room and you know, Jimmy McCracken, you know, different 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.000 cats like that. So I would really not realizing, you know, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.200 I'm not even in school good yet. So but I 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.200 but they listen to the between the two of them 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.080 listen to everything. They loved everything. So my vocabulary in 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.880 my ears are so giant because it was not so 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.080 I the love of music. It's just a love of music. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.240 But I love all styles. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.640 This is a recurring theme on the show, either DJ's 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:11.560 become producers or if you're three or four years old, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:18.960 like God's in the living room teaching you exactly. So, uh, 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.680 what was your band situation like in school? Like were 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:24.680 you forming bands? 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.600 And no, I was really you know, I guess you're 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.160 It was the weirdest thing. I was like, of course, 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.560 you you know, it's like a disease once you discover 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.600 music and you really get the jones because it's like 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.160 you see girls and you're just like, oh man, she's 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.640 so pretty well love it. But you know, it was 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.240 like that during that time and girls will say you 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.440 don't get high, and I go no, and they go, oh, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.960 I can't deal with you. And just always try to 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.000 tell my kids it's like I was always a straight dude. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.840 I was always a nerd dude. I said, but look 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.840 what I did, and look what did I said? When 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.760 I went back to rock, And the first time I 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.080 played the I was with the time. It was printing 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.720 the time, and we played Palmer Chiropractice Auditorium whereas where 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.800 I grew up there and seeing then Lizzie everybody at 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.520 that place, and ac DC's here, so here I'm at 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.520 this place and it's print in the time. And then 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.280 when I went on my own, I went back there 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.560 and played with Hendricks and Zeppelin played at the Call Ballroom, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.800 so you know, and it's and I just remember this girl, 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.480 she was like miss Black Quad Cities, and I remember 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.720 she walked on. I was sitting under the girl's porch 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.600 in Davenport when she walked up the stairs and I said, him, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.000 sitting there talking to something. And she walked up stairs 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.399 a meet with somebody, and I said hi, and she 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.480 didn't speak to me. And then when I played there, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.720 she almost got hit by a car running across the 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.359 But it's like, you know, I didn't say nothing, but 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.560 you just go like, see you just never know that 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.840 dude janitoring over there cleaning the toilet. You just come on, man, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.960 I know I did the same thing. You don't y'all 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.720 don't even understand I cut I cut teeth. If y'all 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.120 y'all you know for. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.600 A second, did it's a system too. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.120 I did all kinds. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.560 Of stuff because stuff like the first job that you had. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.719 I okay, as I wanted my first, my first real guitar. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.760 And what kind of act did you have as a kid? 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.919 I had like the regular tice skulls and the strength. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.160 It was like a break exactly. And that twenty nine 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.119 dollars of a lot of lawns I mowed. And you know, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.000 when you're a kid, you have a stack of twenty 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.000 nine once loaded, you just keep you taking up the jar. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:39.440 Look, I'm still that way. 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.320 And I had the UH and I had payment ones, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.080 I had the memory. I don't know if y'all remember this, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.280 as I'm older than y'all, But Crystal radio. There was 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.600 these things that you would sit in the window. You 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.960 build these little radios and they didn't have batteries, but 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:53.960 you sit them in the window and they gather in 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.320 store sunlight and did at night you could listen to 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.520 the radio. Yeah, that's what they called there. But they 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.679 were called crystal radio back then because there wasn't solar 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.800 head like a little crystal and that they would store 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.119 sunlight and you'd build them from realistic and before radio 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.680 shock and all that. But yeah, that's how I kind 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.399 of started getting worn in different styles of music and 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.360 getting those jazz stations of blue stations that wasn't even 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:20.720 in the I. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.679 Was going to say, how prevalent was Was there a 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.440 black radio station in East St. Yoris? 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.560 It was because I'm always telling my cousin that it 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.960 was black radio that broke Benny and the Jets. Was 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.160 never a single, but it was a DJ in East St. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.800 Louis name Jim Gates. Yeah, it was never a single. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.200 Black radio this DJ that started playing it, and at 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.840 the time they were black radio, unlike I don't know 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.120 if because I was in they Saint Louis. I would 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:52.840 even when I lived in Rock Island, I would go 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.639 to my mother's in the summer and East St. Louis 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.000 and my mother's I mean when I talk about this, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.360 because I have a book, an audiobook that's come out 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.359 later in the year, but okay, she had a backyard 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.440 and then it was a fence dividing the backyards instead 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.040 of an alley, so there was. There would be this 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.879 guy every now and then sitting on the back porch 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.080 in a chair and playing guitar, and I would go over. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.119 Sometimes I'm a young kid, I go over and I go, 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.520 you know, and just watch him play guitar. And he'd 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.960 have a pipe and he'd be playing. And that cat 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.600 was Albert King. So he would go, you know, he 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.119 would say, you know, because his guitar is strung up 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.280 like for me, but he just turns it this way 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.760 and plays it with the strings upside down. So he 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.000 would go. He would show me things. And so when 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:42.199 I older, when I tell people, I know exactly what 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.359 he's playing and how he was tuned because he was 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:45.880 like he would show me. And so when I would 0:20:45.920 --> 0:21:00.240 go right, I knew exactly what he was doing because 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.080 I got to see him do that when I was thirteen, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.119 and he would show me stuff and he would and 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.720 what it was. He dated the lady behind living behind 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.800 my mother and and I remember it so brightly because 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.000 at the time lou Brock was the Saints cardinal, but 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.440 he had these Dodge dealerships and it was with lou 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.480 Brock Dodges right there, and uh, I didn't realize that 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.840 Albert King, but he drove his own tour bus, so 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.200 it'd be this every time. They'd be this big bus. Yeah, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.199 it's just like that's why when I was telling somebody 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.760 on the plane here yesterday, I said, when I talk 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.560 about my life, it's just I was like, I'm lying, 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.359 you know, because there's too much. No, it's planet. It 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:44.359 just too much stuff lines up for me. Like you know, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.760 you know my sister, right, Swayne car Walls. He's my 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.560 play sister, but we like really closely, you know something. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.439 So that was her big joke. She's like, man, he 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.199 just got here famous because I came to Minneapolis not 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.760 knowing anybody. I'm staying at the YMC. Ate like one 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.359 of the village people, right, you know why if you 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:04.760 didn't live anywhere, you know you could, they would let 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:05.840 you crash out. 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:06.280 Yeah. 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.680 So I came to Minneapolis, not not but I'm staying 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.800 at the YMC. I'm chilling April nineteen eighty one by June, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.520 I'm in the stars on that cup. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.320 Wow. Wow. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:21.840 So it's like wow, and I didn't know anybody, so 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.719 what the fuck exactly? So what would happen is I 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:28.480 was during the day I would go I would go 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:32.280 walking around and so people would think I was somebody else. 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.280 They are you, are you related to that? And I 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.760 didn't know anybody, and I go no. So I'd be 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.960 walking around. And if you go back and there's a 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.600 guitar store there, I think it's still there. It's called 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.280 Nude could pay. But if you go back and check out, 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.359 there's old ads that I did model for before I 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.159 was ever in the time, so you'll see you can 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.840 look up. Wow. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.920 So you were dressing like a rock star? 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.040 R No, No, I just must have looked a certain. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:22:59.920 Allen just walking around. 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:01.960 No, not nothing. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:02.400 I didn't. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.359 I don't even think I had any of that stuff 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.960 with me then because I had to when I joined 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.919 this band Enterprise, I had to have all that stuff 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:09.320 come up. 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:17.760 That's crazy. So, uh, what effect knowing that I believe 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.320 you were born in sixty what effect did watching? How 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.760 did Hendrix enter your life? Well? 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:30.120 I was too young to have seen him, so when 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.439 I got but I remember the day. I remember we 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.200 lived in it was any Saint Louis in a basement 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.760 apartment the day he died, because it came on the television. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.399 I'll never forget it. But I didn't know who he was, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.480 but I believe it or not. That same day I 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:47.920 knew who Bob Marley was because he wrote a song 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.600 he wrote. There was a guy named Johnny Nash that 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:57.360 had a song called was this clearly Yes that You're right? 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.720 Quest You're right? He had he had the That song 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.959 was out way back then. But that's who wrote that, 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.840 right and so, and it came out at the time. 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:08.560 There was I just remember this one song because I 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.879 used to I used to just make me have. I 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.399 didn't like this, so it was called I was a 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:22.199 girl watcher A girl watch. Yeah, I watching girls. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:27.359 I didn't know the real version later, but I knew 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.560 I didn't. I didn't know the real version until just. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.119 So. Yeah, I just said, I you know, I do. 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.320 That's for some reason, you know certain things in your 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.760 like you know, the day you know Kennedy was this 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:41.680 and the same thing. 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.359 Wait, since we were in a rabbit hole. Side note, 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:50.760 Run did one solo joint that never quite made it 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.439 in nineteen eighty three. It was like Run and Papa 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.080 Papa rhyme large or something, and they covered I'm a 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.879 Girl Watcher. Oh wow, but that you have never released 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:05.040 it because it was like run run, So anyway. 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.880 No, that's just I was just saying how certain things 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.160 become a snapshot in your life because you they're connected 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:13.000 with music. It's like the day Martin Luther King was assassinated. 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:14.800 I remember it because one of the songs I love 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.760 was cat just recently passed away that I absolutely love, 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.639 Hugh Mescala grazing in the grass. And so I was 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.159 a young kid and HEAs Saint Louis and been fortunate 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.600 enough at that time I met Martin Luther King as 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.119 a little kid. You know, Malcolm X. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.120 I'm sorry, I'm gonna need you not to pass by 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.879 these moments, and I'm gonna need you to kind of 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.159 tell I'm. 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.960 Telling you when I elaborate on everything is I believe you. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.440 It's just like but it's like those times, the times 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:45.439 that you grew up in and you got to remember 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.439 Malcolm X wasn't like the Malcolm X that people know. 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.879 He went, he flew, you know, they he would be 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.240 the guy that would come in and opened the other mosque. 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.720 And so growing up in the Nation of Islam, so 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:01.240 through my mother, so. 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:06.720 I wait a minute, yeah, I got to get. 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.640 I got to experience all of that seriously. Yeah, that's 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.520 the reason why I'm like always was kind of really 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.720 corny and not in the drugs or drinking and all that, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:22.040 because because I was just raised to do that way, 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:25.120 raised by a whole bunch of women, my mom, her sisters. 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:26.120 Oh my god, so. 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:27.560 Your mom was in the nation, was your but your 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:28.200 dad wasn't? 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.920 They weren't they were not married? Then okay they were 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.560 like she disappeared with all of us. And there it's 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:34.360 a whole nother. 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.000 You're gonna say that for the book. I see what 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:36.360 you're doing. 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.520 No, no, no, it's just it's just like would go on 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:43.320 and be probably everybody no, like this is a true 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.560 music nerd, but it's like, but it's like the all 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:51.000 the moments that you live. And because one of the 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:55.280 things that when Quincy talked about, we would go to 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:59.640 school in South Chicago and coming home, going to school 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.240 and come home almost like a life and death experience 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.920 every day. That's how East Saint Louis was. How did 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:05.520 you escape that? 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.439 Though? Like, did you have like. 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.320 No, I was, I have no idea because I because 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.400 let me tell you how crazy it is now. It's 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.399 like it's like my youngest child is fourteen, and I 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.080 can't imagine her walking from here to you know, three 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.199 or four or five blocks where I'm I'm nine, and 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.159 I was ye over seeing those shows when the kids 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.879 go extra extra Read out about when me and a 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.919 kid that lived upstairs from us in this apartment. His 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.960 name was Hermann. Uh he passed away as a child. 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.720 He got hit by a car, unfortunately, but he was 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.960 a He had a gig selling this newspaper called the 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:50.000 Bistate Defender. So I was so a hustler at such 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:51.439 a young guy. So I was nine, and I had 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.800 to lie and till the guy was ten. And so 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:55.800 we would go after school and we would get a 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.600 whole stack of papers. He would get a whole stack 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.520 of paper and carry How crazy this is. You can't 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.320 imagine and doing this with your kid, or allowing your 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.320 kid to do this. But where I lived in the 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.560 Saint Louis, we would walk across the bridge to Saint Louis. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.040 When you walk across the bridge in Saint Louis, Missouri, now, 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.959 so we would walk across the bridge, me and Herman. 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.199 He was ten, I was nine. We would get these 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.720 stack of papers. They were twenty cents a piece. We'd 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.200 have to turn in the diamond. Then we kept a dime. 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.600 So we'd walk across the bridge. At the end of 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.120 the bridge. You when you got across the bridge, you'd 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:30.640 make a right and on one side was the Continental 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.399 Trailways bus station. Other side was the farmer's market. So 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.600 we'd be this isn't at night and we're walking down 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.200 there by state defend their busy and we would sell 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.040 every one of those papers, walk across the bridge the 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.560 next day, give the guy his half of the ten, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.680 then we get another stack. We would do that every day. 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.280 Imagine your kid allowing your kid today. But it was like, 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.240 you know, helping. Huh, how would you guys be out 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.080 there till them papers were gone? 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.320 And y'all was mad late, like the paper come out 0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.240 in the morning, y'all sell No. 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.320 The by state there was like some weird paper that 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.720 just kind of told about murders and killings. And because 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.200 at that time Saint Louis, I think Saint Louis, Missouri, 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.160 was the murder capital of the state. And in that 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.280 neighborhood that was the murder capital was where the Spinkx 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:21.840 brothers came from. Oh yeah, because you they were Yeah, 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.520 it was like you didn't go in that. It was 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.880 the projects over there. And you would walk past this 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.280 store that was called Famous Bar Sticks and Fuller and 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.360 all of some story like that was really like the 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.600 big Then you got two blocks past that, man, it 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.600 was like the White House back in the days. You 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.120 remember you walked past the White House for about two 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.360 blocks and it was, well, what's going on? What happened? 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:43.720 Yeah? 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.400 East St. Louis a lot of cities like that. 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:50.560 Were there any notable uh peers or people that we 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:51.680 were doing all day long? 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:53.960 Because if you guys go look at the history of 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.440 Chuck Berry and all them. So East Saint Louis, downtown 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:03.160 eas St. Louis, there was a club and I just 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.720 don't know how, and I ain't dead or whatever, but 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:07.880 I was a kid. I was a little kid, wasn't 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.880 old enough, but I was so crazy with music already. 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.080 This club Chuck Berry would play it and the club 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:15.800 had a back door. You would open the back door. 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.240 I remember hearing stories. Elvis used to do this when 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.920 he was a you know, a kid, he was a 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:22.880 little kid. He would do to go look in the 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.280 window at the you know, the juke joints and they 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.040 would let him do that and the little white kid, 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.760 and I actually did that. I would this club. You 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.640 would open the back door and you could see straight 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.480 through the club to the stage, and I would see 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.160 Chuck Berry play. I would see the I would just 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.880 sit there and be like And so I was really 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.840 fortunate in the sense that I knew what I was. 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:42.320 Going to do. 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:49.160 And then what changed it. Parliament Funkadelic played at Eastside 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.280 High School, and then whenever I would tell George. I 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.800 was telling George just during the Graffiti Bridge filming and 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.719 he was like, Oh, you're showing your age. I said, no, bro, 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.440 I was, I wouldn't even and I wouldn't in high school. 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.520 I said, I took the rebusses to get to that area, 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.600 and I said, I was so young and so little 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.360 that when the guy opened the door, he was like, 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.480 who's with you? You know at the school, and he 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.680 let me come in. So I'm sitting in the bleachers 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.080 watching them rehearse sound check and everything, and it was 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.160 I knew from that moment what I was gonna do 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.840 because Michael Hampton walked in. It was back in the 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.800 seventies where there was these patch of jeans and Michael 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.240 Hampton walked in and he had a pig nos amp 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.320 on east side and they had they all had some 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.280 barrels hanging off their back like real Mexicans, and it 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:34.840 was like and it was the only time I've seen 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.600 during the soundcheck, George Clinton played a black less Paul. 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.520 He played guitar and it's just the real this was 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.920 Funkadelic fund And you talked to George. George's memory is frightening, 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:53.600 like George remembers any and George is mind blowing with that. 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.000 Like George talked to me by about three years ago 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.680 and oh, I haven't seen you since the Blop blop 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.680 blop and he was dead and the and it was 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:05.760 the last time he saw me was at Paisley was filming. 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.040 You know, it's just mind but that show. I remembered 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.680 it because I'm dude, I'm a little kid. I'm like 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.640 and I took like two the transferred things to get there, 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.800 and so I to this day, I try to remember 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.080 how I got home because I'm a little kid and 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.920 just walking from that school back to where the bus 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:29.040 just just like sick with it. As far as no, 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:30.920 I was actually living with some other. 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.360 People like in the books ran away. 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.560 It was like a foster kid at that point time. 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:45.440 It's another recurring on this show. So how did you 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.640 wind up in Minneapolis? 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:54.320 Well, I was in in Rock Island. Rock Island is 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.440 a really very very very small town. And at the 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.400 end of the bridge, there's this bridge that it takes 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.840 you from you're in rock I know, Illinois. When you 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.160 go with a bridge in Downport Iole. Well read the 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.760 foot of that bridge. There's a you can see it 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.880 online because it's no longer there now, but it's called 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.120 the Yankee Clipper. It was a hardcore biker bar. I mean, 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:17.280 if you went in there black, you died. You I'm 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.720 not I'm serious. The band the you can look it up. 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:24.840 The motorcycle group was called the Grim Reapers. Seriously seriously, 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.640 like yeah, no, seriously, you you and he and it 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.840 even worse. You had a chance, you had a better chance, 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.640 Like I learned something about cats that were hardcore like that, 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:37.800 Like I went in there and I survived because I 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:39.800 went in there and cranked them. Map and the guy 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.680 who placed I took in his band of band was 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.760 called Dealer. And the guy who place I took he 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.600 was like an actual dealer and he just got tired 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.320 of planning, so I took his he gave the job 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.520 to me. And then and the band was all all 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.040 white band and the club was like it was like 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:58.880 it used to be at one point in scription, so 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.640 you had a The stage was like this when we 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.120 were and then it came out in a little you 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.120 like that because it was a strip joint and it 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.319 was a long stage like that, and then a bar 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.120 ran and I and when the singer, one of the 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.160 guys in the band was gay, and I never got 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.080 any flat because I played my butt off. 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:16.319 You know. 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.799 I went in there and just popped it harder than 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.600 it ever you know. I heard somebody kick guitar like that, 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.319 and and when he would come up to sing, hey 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.319 what pelt him with so much stuff? And I was like, damn. 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.920 So this like the Blues Brothers where you just the chicken. Yeah. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.600 But what I discovered at that young age is like 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.480 you can be white, but if you're gay, they will 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.759 hate you more then they hate me. Yeah, they don't. 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.400 They never because they loved me because I went in 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:45.680 there and really, so. 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.800 Does this mean that you would have to go zero 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.120 to one hundred and automatically show your shred skills to 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.200 let you let them. 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.040 Know it's something happens to you because you you in 0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.720 your mind know that it's a It's it's hard to explain. 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.560 It's like something in your mind knows that it's like 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.239 sink or swim, and so you just dive right in 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.840 swimming and you don't know how to swim, but you're swimming. 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.320 You know you're swimming. So at the end of that bridge, 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.000 the town is so small at the end of that bridge. 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.400 Think that Yekee Clipper across the street, down across the 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.600 street at the end of the Sheraton. The only big 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.400 hotel you know, I was like the taj Mahal in 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:26.480 this little town. So across the bridge you take right now, 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.480 are you ever heard of the rko Orpheum? That's it 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.040 right there, because you got to what y'all got to remember, 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.840 Iowa is the rock and roll belt of the United States. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:41.399 That's why the monsters of rock all of that stuff. Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.959 That's why my cousin always gets jealous because I've seen 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.759 everybody growing up because that's where all the the cont 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.080 like Van Halen first, Van Halen album. I saw them 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:52.920 when they had the exact clothes that are on the 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.120 cover everything. I saw all of that Atlanta Rhythm section, 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.719 the Doobies when they had the Taking It to the 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:03.359 Streets album, lant Rhythm second, saw everybody, the cars, the 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.759 Thin Lizzie, they saw them all. And what what would 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.759 happen is a lot of big bands like Rush, let 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.759 us come in one time and watch them rehearse, because 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.200 they would come to the Rkoorphi and a lot of 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.120 bands would rent that and rehearse there for a month, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.880 Like Rush rehearsed there for a month, And so you 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:22.719 need to come in because you know, you when you're 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.879 in the audience, That's when I kind of first got 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.279 the you know, you're in the audience, everything looks like 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.600 shining and then you get up there and this dude's 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.719 answer all knit and they wasn't as tall as you. 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.360 You know, it was my first time. Yeah, get into that. 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.399 But she's saying that Iowa was like mostly a starting point, 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.719 sort of like Michael Jackson's starting off in Kansas City 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.080 or something like, you're saying that Iowa was just a 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:44.080 starting but it was. 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.280 It was yet a lot of people you'd be surprised. 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.879 And then and then if you turned, if you went 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.719 across the Centinial Bridge right at that same you could 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.759 turn left this arka or from you turn this way. 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.399 The Call Ballroom. The Call Ballroom is where Zeppelin flew 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.040 in from Minneapolis. That's where Jimmy Page's Black Beauty got stolen. 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.719 And then the Sunburns Less Paul that you've seen him 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.880 play forever, that's where he bought it from. Joe Wash 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.480 was at the Call Ballroom. So it's like if you 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.680 go look at the and then they just released The 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.839 Hendricks at the Call Ballroom. And a guy that of 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.360 course was older, that was there. His name is Jerry Wetzel. 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.279 He told me everything had happened and that was a 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.480 thousand years ago in the seventies. He told me that 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.000 like seventy eight, seventy and I was a kid and 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:27.080 the music start listening to the stories. Everything he told me. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.840 They just released it last year, late last year, the 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.800 Hendrix at the Call Ballroom. Everything he told me was 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.319 he said he came because the Call Ballroom doesn't have 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.720 a backstage, and it's a stage. The stage has covered 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.920 it cut into you so you can stand it went 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.560 in at the stage and go ques and it's like, 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.319 I'm like next to you. It's like, you know, back 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.759 then they built halls for real music, right, and so 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.239 everything he told me, he said, Hindricks went, he came 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.440 on stage, he caught walked through the audience with the 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.719 police because there's no backstage, so you have to come 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.680 through the audience. And I played there when my first 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.480 album was out, so I was like, you can't tell me, 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.359 so he said. He came up and he was like, 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:10.120 you know, then he went, he said, oh, you're experiencing. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.120 And he said when he started playing, he said, don't 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.520 know what happened, but I got I was like completely 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.239 out of it, but I was just able to see 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.280 a lot of like that. And what ended up happening. 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:26.799 Every band that, even at the big Iowa Jams and 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:29.759 the Credit Credit Island concerts, with all the men they 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.480 stayed at that, they would come across the bridge they 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.920 at that Sheridan and they would come to the Yankee 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:40.000 Clipper and I would jam with all of them, Molly Hatchet, 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.560 everybody jam and they all said the same thing to me, 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.239 and I knew that's when I had to get my 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.480 ass out of there, and they would all, what are 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.480 you doing here? What are you doing here? And so 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.600 I didn't have money, you know, because when you're Midwest kid, 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.880 you think you gotta go to Hollywood, gotta go and 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.560 I had money to do that. So I they saved 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.440 up money for me too. I gotta get a bus 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:04.160 to in his far as I can go with Minneapolis. 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.080 But that's how I ended up there. 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.680 And so but nothing was there, you just like, that's 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:10.360 as far as I can go. 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.240 It was like I just knew I need to be somewhere, 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.840 and I knew nothing about many I didn't know, And 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:17.640 as a matter of fact, when I met Prince, I 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.839 didn't everybody. I just knew. He walked in the room 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:23.200 and he was like hey, and everybody changed, you know, 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:30.320 the dude six eight was four, what's walk? And everybody changed, 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.799 and I was like, dude, must be. And then the 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.759 funniest thing about why he even came over because he 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.719 was buying I had a little color TV and you 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:45.000 know them first VCRs. He came over to buy that 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.480 from me for three hundred dollars. And he had invited 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.080 me through Morris because the band and I joined Morse 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.960 day was the drummer in Enterprise, and I never played 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.759 a show with him because he and he invited me 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:01.040 to First Avenue. So I'm like, you know, I don't 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:03.919 know anybody and shit, so I'm like outside the club 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.080 and this girl just was just dropped it. Georgeous pulled me. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.239 I must have looked lost and she just yanked me, 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.600 and I'd never forget her, Sandy, It's so beautiful. She 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.759 yanked me in the thing and like you just let 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.759 you know, just like I must look lost, I must 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.560 look like a tourist or something. And then I go 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:24.040 in and I watched Prince shows this is a Dirty Mind. 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.040 He's getting ready to leave for the Dirty Mind tour 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.719 and Moors so this is eighty eighty one. Okay, this 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:35.319 is the April eighty one. So he so I he 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.600 invited me to the show through Mors and I've never 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:41.440 met him yet or nothing, and so Morres said, hey, 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:42.280 he got your ticket. 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:42.840 Here, Da da da. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.759 I go down the First Avenue, you know, see the show, 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.760 and I watched and I was like, this shit's amazing, 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.080 Da da da. And what Morris was the Morris was 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.480 a dude at the video at the soundboard videotape and 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.959 all the shows, and I didn't know at the time 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.920 that they had this whole thing going where, you know, 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.480 he had these He made some deal with Morris over 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:05.080 the party up song. And so the next day Princess 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.120 coming over to buy this thing and this is eighty one, 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.080 so it's three hundred dollars. I'm at the why so 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:13.160 that's like three million dollars, you know. So he comes 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.640 over and it was the only it was the last 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.799 time I ever sung with jeans on because he was like, 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.359 you know, it was the whole kind of punk thing. 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.279 He had the jeans on the thing that Quest has 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.600 on the rood boy. But then and all that and 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:31.960 this exact one exactly that came from the douction Dog Jamie. 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:33.120 I gave up. 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.480 I set all that stuff up. I gave you. No, yes, no, 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.800 you don't understand it. D You haven't talked to D right, okay, 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:42.400 I'll talk to you after the show. You gotta you 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.000 don't understand what's getting to happen. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:44.800 Now, I gotta. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.439 I gotta show you something. You're gonna lose your mind. 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:53.440 Another house is this. 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:55.640 I'm going to give you an inside thing so that 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.319 you will know what to grab when this I'm just 0:41:58.520 --> 0:41:59.920 I'm gonna take you to something. 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:03.600 Get that VCR man. I went that board. 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.440 This is I just spent twenty because Jamie Sup is 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.720 a very very dear friend of mine, and I've always 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.920 been She's always been an absolutely dear person to me 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.720 because she was you never forget people that were nice 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.760 and generous and looked out for you when they didn't 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.760 have to, and you wasn't nothing on you wouldn't anything 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.200 on the bottom of the shoe. And she was that 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.960 way to me. Taught me. I mean, I every time 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.399 I go jack in at the airport, is that She's 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:28.799 the reason how to do that? 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:29.600 You know. 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.880 I went up to the when I was told my cousin. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.080 I went up to the gate in LA yesterday and 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:37.719 I said, oh, can you I got in line and 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.759 the girl, so can you just check my boarding pass 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:43.560 to make sure I'm okay? And she said, why wouldn't 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.080 you be? And I was like, and I'm thinking myself, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.319 and I can suck up anything. I've been at the 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.040 airport at the gate and missed the fly because I 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:59.520 just know, I yes, I just don't. I don't be 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:00.840 paying it in anything. 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:01.759 And you ain't have to. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.879 And so I was just went up to the thing 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.120 and shoulder and now I'm gonna tell you how how 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.279 stupid it gets. I wanted to think and short to think. 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.480 She goes, why wouldn't you be? Yeah, you're fine. Why 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.200 wouldn't you be okay? You know, pretty pretty sister. You know. 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.880 She's like, why wouldn't you be okay? And I was like, 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.640 you know, I didn't say that, but I'm thinking, I said, 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.120 because I actually did say because I can mess up anything. 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.319 And she said, no, baby, you're good, You're good, You're good. 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.000 But when I went and sat down I told you 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:32.000 about I couldn't find my boarding. It was like the 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.160 code had inside pocket and I had put it in there, 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.279 and thought, I'm like, asking, have you seen a board? 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.840 That's how I'm telling you know, I'm a Gemini. 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:44.720 I'm gonna query. Come on, man, I'm. 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:47.040 Right now. 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.400 I can just you so be thinking you'd be thinking 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.600 about I don't know what everything, but I made I 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:55.560 already knew early in life. I made a point that 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.800 I would be good at a whole bunch of stuff, 0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.359 but I know it would be great at one thing. 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.160 So and this life is a loted you at the 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:03.640 time that you don't have to know these things. 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:04.759 This is great for. 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.920 The most part. Thank god, I have a lot. I 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.759 mean for what I've accomplished. I never They's never been 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.560 a part of my dreams. I just wanted to be 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.520 around the corner playing guitar at some pub or something. 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.200 So what if accomplished You have no idea? Yeah, I 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.160 was going to say one, I have no idea any 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:21.360 of that. 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:26.799 Were there any other black people in You're Midwessex before 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:27.839 you got to Minnesota? 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.360 No, that had to say no, no, because that was 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:33.240 the whole thing that That's why I ended up playing 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.920 at that biker bar with the white cats. Because all 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.160 the brothers that I knew that were the top cats, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.920 they had jobs because they wanted to have They had Lincolns, 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:42.879 got a lot and it and I would they would 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.040 give me whenever they came and pick me up for 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.640 the gig, get a job, get your card, and I 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.200 was like, you know, that wasn't my thing, and I 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.680 wanted to play with your an and your neck. I 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.840 would be first saying where I get a taxi? No, 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.520 they would pick me up, but they would gripe about 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:03.800 picking me, y'all. But the thing was that they worked 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:05.719 at uh. I mean that they made more money and 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:07.799 they worked at it. They worked as straight. So the 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.200 music thing was kind of a hobby where to me, 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.279 I wanted it to be six nights a week and 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.480 then you know, at the time, unfortunately, at that time, 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.080 it was like White Cats was the ones. It was 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:22.400 like they were working six seven nights a week. And 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.160 I'm like, I gotta go mess with these luggers because 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:27.640 these brothers wanted to have Lincolns and none of the 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.319 White Cats though, had lincolns. A catalyzed big shit. They 0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.040 just love was like me, hey, hey, we're making ten 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.280 in eighty one. I think I had a ten thousand 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.160 dollars a year. You couldn't tell me I wasn't rich. 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.480 Well, your journey it sounds kind of like we had 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.080 Michael McDonald here too, who was also from Saint Louis. 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:47.840 And it is interesting because you mentioned the Doobie brothers 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.360 in Iowa. So I was like, damn, y'all had parallel 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.160 journeys going on, and then y'all did y'all ever cross paths? 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:53.680 And that's no. 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.680 He had just I think taken it to the Streets 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.480 was his first Doobie's record, right yeah, because the other 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.440 cat who really founded the Doobies with that, Tom Johnston, 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.880 he quit because he didn't like where it was gone 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.799 with the Michael McDonald's stuff. So no, I never I 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.120 never met him because I liked the other Doobie you know, 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.239 the Doobie Brothers, Old black Water and all that ship and. 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.160 That that I don't know whatever that was. 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:19.920 That's as much as I'm a plague. So you want 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:27.600 to so you I gotta just say this to you. 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:32.120 That was when I went when Prince came over. This 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.520 is how, this is how our relationship was founded. For 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:37.080 this is why we This is why I lived with him, 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:42.080 and we were cool up until I left, because he 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.719 came over to pick up that thing and he sat 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.759 down and and everybody changed and stuff. All of the 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:51.560 hardest brothers. Why you big? You know, we stole that 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.960 from another base player named Jeff mcgravey, But he was 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.520 the one. What are you big streets of San Francisco 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.080 knowles having, you know, that's where we got all that 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:03.920 hy you well, even he changed when Prince walked in. Everybody, Prince, 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:04.839 what's going on? 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:05.160 You know? 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:06.319 And king. 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.120 He came and sat out. He sat down, Yeah, black 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.319 leather jacket, and was like I said, last time, first 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:12.840 and only time I ever seen him with jeans on. 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.720 After that, he's been decked every since. He never heard it, 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:20.799 but he I set across from him, probably where that is, 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.680 and I said, hey, man, I saw you. Sure no, 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:25.960 he said. I said, hey man, I'm Jesse and he 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.799 said Prince. And I was like, whoa man? Because I 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.279 can't even do it as monotone. He would never think 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.520 he could sing his eyes off because he spoke it 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.279 was one note. Hey, how you doing. I can't even 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.439 do it? Yeah, you're doing It was just so low 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:44.440 and yes, And I just freaked out and I said, man, 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.600 I thought you was gonna go hi Maname is Prince 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.879 And he just kind of started laughing a little bit. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.919 And Morris is standing more. The only person that really 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:56.120 remembers is Morris is standing where Princess sitting. Morris is 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.759 standing right here. Morris Day, That's who I know. I 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.200 don't I don't know who print says or nothing about 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.200 him or anything. So I just knew he must have 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.040 been somebody. He must have been. Like I saw the 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.040 show the night before, but I still didn't know anything 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.040 about because you know, how segregated the rock and. 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.120 Roll so none of this hits. 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.160 None of his radio, yeah, none of the black rock 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:16.400 Island has no black radio. 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:17.160 Zero. 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.800 That's why I knew the Doobies and Zeppelin and everything 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:24.399 else like that, because there's no black radio. So when 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.480 he hit, you know, it was right towards the disco. 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.000 So I was fortunate enough to miss that whole discorder 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:34.799 because I was rock and roll thing. So he I said, yeah, man, 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.000 I saw your show. I said, think so invioted show. 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:38.920 I show you show. It was really cool, man, I 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.759 really dug it, So you really dig Hendrix Hunt. I 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.920 never watched him, and I stood up. I was like you, 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.000 I swear, I said, you lie. The every move and 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:57.279 more sustained behind him, and Prince looked at me and 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.799 he fell on the floor. Kh He fell on the floor, 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.719 just laughing his eyes up. And that was like that 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:08.600 was the relationship was we was never know you know. 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:10.400 So that's why when you would see me out in 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.640 LA during that whole you always see both of us 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.200 together all the time because I didn't have that oh man, 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:18.600 you know, because he we'd walk in the club and 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:22.400 chicks with be all on him and shit, and I 0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:23.960 just go hang over here for a minute till you 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:25.600 was the cool and then we just hang out and 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:27.160 he's like, man, you know, when I walk in the 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.120 club with other people, I won't say that name. They 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.160 wouldn't come near me to rest it. And I asked, mother, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.000 fuck are your priends? I ain't nobody, you know. I 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.160 was never tripping like that because I remember after the 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:40.839 nineteen ninety nine tour being so broke. But I never 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:48.080 equated his wealth or shit with what I should be 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:52.000 making because I knew that I'm broke. I'm in the time, 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.359 I got gold, platinum, broke as a mother like, I 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:56.560 ain't even pay attention. I'm so broke. But I knew 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.279 that that was his shit. You did what I'm saying, 0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.160 Like a lot of people don't realized that. Like somebody 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.919 just I saw somebody on Twitter and I couldn't bring 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.279 myself to just break the harbor. They said, oh, man, 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.759 I don't know what the question was because I don't 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.640 really know how that shit works, but I just see 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.359 that reply and it said, oh my. 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:13.640 Favorite, without a doubt. 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:14.520 Seven seven. 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.560 You know, Jelly Bean on drum drums. 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:21.040 Jerry on bass, and I just I can't do it. 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.160 It's like, dude, that's that's all, Prince. I hate to 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:29.280 tell you and David Geirbaldi on the program for it, 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.600 but you know you just, oh, I just got I 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.279 can't run nobody's dreams. I'm gonna be thinking that, but 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.000 that's what I mean. It was all his stuff. So 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.839 but I knew that, I knew within myself I had 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.600 talent because I'm I'm horrible when it comes to learning 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.799 songs off of records and ship like that. When you 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.520 when I met you for the first time with D's 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.080 thing in twenty twelve, I was like, and I was 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.560 telling you, dude, never played any music before, did I 0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:56.240 didn't have a hand, and you know, creating and creating 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.319 this is just crazy. And plus you know d the 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:02.239 biggest thing, well for you would probably is normal, but 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.480 that is these timing. And he would tell me the 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:07.759 hours that you and him and that you and Peano 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.400 would argue him and go that ain't the one, and 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.520 he would and y'all he was telling me, he said 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.479 a mirror Pino would be like that ain't the one. 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.520 That ain't the one, but you know how he's one 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.919 now his one is now a two or three or something. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:21.960 Pick up. 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.399 Yes, if you ain't, if you like, if you plan 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.960 lady or something and you daydream for half a second, 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:34.160 you gotta stop. And because his his whole. That's what's 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.279 beautiful about his music though, because it's like, uh, it's 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.040 the same thing with Prince, Like a lot of people 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.719 always see him trying to figure out what Prince did 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:44.000 on the keyboards and what they don't know. You ain't 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.799 never figured that ship because he took the overheim a 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:53.200 pedal board and until anything, and he just wants something 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.280 that he never It is crazy. It was no rules 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:59.920 to how he how he did anything. You know, he 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.840 had a little bit of theory behind him, but it 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.839 was all guttural. It was all instinct. It was just 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.960 like you know, and that we related really and intellectually. 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.160 We related to a great deal of stuff because the 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.920 dude was like so smart, you know, I Q wise, 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.320 he was really really smart dude. But I learned records, 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.840 how to make records. I had never been in a 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.200 studio till I met him, So I learned how to 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:28.480 make a record, Like how Chris Moon taught him. That's 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:29.800 how I learned. 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:36.600 Were you there at the infamous uh Perkins restaurant uh dinner? 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:38.800 I hate to break it to you, my man, it 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:44.399 wasn't Perkins. I'm gonna take you back Sambos. Y'all don't 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:51.319 remember Sambos. Get you a Sambos Burger. Yes, it was 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:56.560 called We had Minneapolis had the last standing Sambos on 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.960 Lake Street. That ship wasn't no Perkins. That was a 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:04.880 Sambos on Lake Street. And I remember Morrise and I 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.719 rode motorcycles and shit together, so that Morris was going 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.160 to the meeting with because the way the time actually 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.600 came together was nothing like all this stuff that people 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.439 make up and say, and it wasn't anything like that. 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.560 The time was Morse day and I. If you see 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:23.560 the assetate which I owned today, it says the Nerve. Oh, 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:25.759 I remember that, And it's just Morse and I and 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.560 what we were. We were gonna be the Blackhall and Oats. 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.200 So it's the album that y'all know. We'd get it 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.640 up cool, all of that, but it was just Morrise 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:34.040 and I. 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:35.360 It's gonna be called the Nerve. 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.799 It was the Nerve. And so when Prince went to 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.640 used the name, but it was owned by some people. 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.400 But Dick This though, catch This though the Time was 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:51.800 owned forever until nineteen. He didn't buy the name until 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:52.600 ninety seven. 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:53.520 He leased the name. 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:58.040 It was owned by two white cats in North Carolina somewhere. 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:02.400 They owned it all those years. He's just leasing it, really, yeah, 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:04.480 And then he bought the rights. When I knew the 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:06.479 rights was up, I was on the phone with Terry. 0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:10.040 That's why I remember. I had just moved to Awatuki, Arizona, 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.040 from Minneapolis, and I remember being on the phone with Terry. 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:17.040 It was like ninety seven because I just dropped that 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.680 bear on my neck and sole thing and and I 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.120 was like, man, just by the by that, you know 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.600 it's and he was and then print A bought it, 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:31.160 damn exactly. So he but it was like we didn't 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.839 own them. But but then that all the flight time 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:35.480 thing and all that stuff, how people try to tell 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.160 it didn't come together like that. It was just at 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:41.080 the last minute because Prince was on a dirty mind 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.719 tour and so Morris when he left, he had you know, 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:47.440 laugh row and jeans. I never saw him look like 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.000 that again when he came back. He was a totally 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:51.080 different cat. 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.000 Oh so he was afro, not feathered. 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:57.840 No, he came back from the Dirty Mine tour and 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:02.160 the album that you know was they have that album. Okay, 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:04.080 the first album was called the Time, it was called 0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:06.359 The Nerve. But when he came back and the Prince 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.600 would call me and sold this girl that I lived 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:13.879 with at the time, she they would answer the phone. 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.399 You know, I was standing at the cribs. She would 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.879 answer the phone and it's Prince Jesse there. And they 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:20.760 would earn her friends were freeing. 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:21.160 They'd be. 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.960 On the phone and they would go and her friends like, 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:29.120 who is here? And she would always and this is 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.600 a true, honest, I got a story stack of bibles. 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:33.440 He would go, what did you come here for? 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:33.640 Us? 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:33.919 Second? 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.520 I'm gonna be famous. She would laugh so hard. Oh 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.400 my god, she'd fall on the floor crying. And that 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:49.520 should have been a sign I didn't pay attention. Story shirt. 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.919 But yeah, he would call and say, stay there, stay there, 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.520 stay in Minneapolis, stay in Minneapolis, stay, don't leave, don't leave. 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:59.080 We're gonna get your car. Like I was just gonna. 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:01.920 I was just and that the fucking starving to death 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:05.160 in minis because we would play a weekend. Man, Sue 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.359 Anne talk about that. So we play a weekend and 0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.440 make thirty five dollars. You remember them days you make 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.279 you in heaven. It was like we would go to 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:17.080 white and White Castle was like like La. Like there 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.360 was a time in La that I'd be at the 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.279 studio and then you see the White Castle here and 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.759 you would see a purple pink Bentley, so what the 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.880 Paris Hilton would be in line. It was like that 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.840 kind of how in an out burger. But White Castle 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:33.319 was that back in the day on Lake Street. So 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:38.120 we after the club's closed, Prince everybody was in that ship. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:41.440 It was like that because it was the joint. It 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.200 was like the joint, so we were all you know, 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:47.719 it was a joint. So thirty five dollars was like 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:49.839 we get some White Castle. You know, you can take 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:54.000 about five and get about thirty White Castle and exactly. 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.279 So he would call and say, don't leave, stay there. 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.080 You know, we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do that, 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:00.439 and we go to this and we're going. I said, 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.040 I'm a car. We're gonna get your car, which he 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.839 never did, but in a way they later on it did, 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:10.200 but didn't have no air in it, so fuck. But 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.600 I had a great stereo. I think I told that 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:14.799 story online about the jungle of song. I would play 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:18.120 him songs and he would let, oh my god, he go, Morse, 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.600 you gotta hear this, and Neat and Morris and Jimmy 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.920 jam are the only two people I know when they cried, 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:27.000 they tears start, they they literally are quiet. And he 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:30.040 kept doing that. But most people you know and be like, 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.160 oh man, ain't playing nothing, but I didn't. I just 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.760 kept playing songs for him till one day. I it 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:37.480 was after acting class, before we started preparaying. I said, hey, man, 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.480 I want to play you something. So he I want 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:41.680 to go listen to it in his car because he 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:45.720 got air. This is somethinger my car, no air, one 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.480 hundred and eighty degrees. He goes. But I had the 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:52.840 stereo over everybody. I had the bomping shit over. So 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.000 he's listening to it in your car. And I was 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.919 trying to give him the cassette so he could listen 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.440 to it later. And it was right after acting class. 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:02.720 Caught me cool, let's just listen to it now, and 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:07.560 I'm like, oh, ship you know, laughing at So it 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:12.439 was a jungle up, you know, exactly as you know it. Yeah, 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:15.160 I put it on the thing because I get sick 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:19.600 of motherfucker's telling me your boy said that in Billboard, 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:22.960 Nelson George. So when I met him the first time 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:25.120 here in New York on the island, it was a 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.080 press release party for my first record, and he was 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.520 and his name was on a card and I was 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:32.880 looking this way, and the girl was with wit said, 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.160 ain't that the guy in Billboard that said this is. 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:38.680 What I said? 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.360 This is honest. I got to I said, yo, man, hey, bro, 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.920 then do you really think you're gonna sit here on 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:47.720 my ship? And he made him leave. 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:49.720 Wow can you. 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:51.720 In the article? 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.120 He said, Uh, it was really it was really dispepful. 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:56.920 He said, I didn't probably didn't write ship and the 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:58.960 princess probably put my name on it for the blah 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.000 blah blah blah blah. You just don't say that unless 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.200 you talk to the people, because you back in the day, 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.000 he had an article in Billboard, had a little picture 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.760 of him. Yeah, but I didn't little blur really remember it, 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.080 like I mean, I remember reading the article, but the 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:15.240 girl remembered the face and I was like this, I 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:19.120 was a remembering it was someplace here and it was 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:24.000 like a really popular Chinese place because they had brought squab, 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:25.280 which I didn't know was pigeons. 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:31.440 Mister, No, it was it was before that. Yeah, Nelson 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:35.600 looked like twenty one Jump Street. And also but I 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:39.040 did what was the sergeant's name? I can't remember. 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:41.640 I was just telling Deanna today. I was like, damn, 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:45.080 you know me, I was always a never industry cat, 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.000 but an industreet's cat. And I said so, I didn't. 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:50.080 Because Prince wasn't even that dude though, right Like, he 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:52.000 wasn't mean not for nothing. I ain't gonna say not 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:53.800 that nice. But he wasn't the one that just throws 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.160 somebody's name on a song that they had nothing to 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:56.440 do with it. 0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:01.560 Yeah that's a nice No, he was. No, it wasn't 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:03.440 a nice thing. It was like it wasn't known there 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:04.720 on the publishing. 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.560 Record. I even wanted to make it seem like he 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:09.680 did everything. 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.840 But my I don't even think Jungle Love said my 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:14.440 name on the record. 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:17.320 Though I think it did. You know why? 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:19.640 I thought, No, I'm gonna blow y'all away. I'm a 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.959 blow I got a piece of something I ain't never 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:23.600 seen I have. You know, back in the day when 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:25.920 you would do a record, they do all the artwork 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.240 for you album, you know, you know me. They then 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:30.000 they send you the record and you have to look 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.080 at the and look at all the writing. Well, I 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:35.160 have that in the very for the ice Cream Castle album. 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:39.240 I'm produced by Jamie Starr, co produced by Jesse Johnson. 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:40.800 And the same thing with it. If you got the 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.600 first pressing of the Sheila E record, the first ChIL 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:48.520 records exactly and now and then after that there, No, 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:51.000 it came off. It came out years ago. It came 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:53.840 off years ago because he was Prince was vindictive when 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.880 you left him, and it was real bullshit because I stayed, 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:00.800 you know, I mean, I was just telling Ingrid today. 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:03.800 When I left after finishing Purple Rain and all that, 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.000 my check was like three hundred and thirty dollars. I 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.200 wouldn't make it though, And this is my question, and 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.040 I got kids, I got so you so as far 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:12.720 as dedication and all that place. 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:14.680 Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hang. 1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:18.400 On, Yes, three hundred and thirty nine dollars, bro. 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:20.360 Wait, am I sitting in the room Ingrishavez. 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:27.439 Don't cheesecake, you said, no, she touch cheesecakes, pie, talked 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.000 about the three kids like he's got the mic. We 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:32.600 put the whole chair in answer, she with. 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.600 High I'm Ingrid seven, you said, Ingrid, And I was like, 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:37.680 wait a minute, and I put my glasses on. 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:37.840 Like. 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:41.320 Well, I think that was one of the things that 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:44.960 she was so nice that she's an hour into this 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:49.960 interview not knowing that you've been sitting. 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:53.280 At the same freaking time and hello, how are you? Yeah? 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:57.000 I could. I can't touch the cheesecake because I've been 1:01:57.080 --> 1:01:58.760 sugar free for thirty six days. 1:01:58.960 --> 1:01:59.440 There you go. 1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:01.720 Came on the way from Minneapolis for you today. 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:05.240 That's right, so I have to break it. Just yes, 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:08.040 I want to. 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:09.479 Say I'm Aquarius as well. 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:11.200 You know what I was saying. 1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:13.280 We're kind of all over the place sometimes, are you 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:15.960 just make sure are February of January? 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:23.760 Yeah, wow, twentieth twenty first we're all together. Wait, this 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.880 is freaking me out because I didn't know that was 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:27.560 ingrish Chaves. 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:32.040 Yeah, that's why I was like on this. I met 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:35.920 her on the set of I said I would never 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:37.920 be there, I would never go I never went to Paisley, 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:39.440 I said, I never go there and never go down 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.480 to paid to be in it, and so I got 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:45.080 paid for a week Grafita Vision. I barely made it 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:48.080 three days and we got into it and I had 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:48.479 to leave. 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:51.720 Wait all the shooting was just three days? 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:55.720 No, I yeah, my shooting yeah for whatever I'm in 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:58.680 the movie was three days because I it was it 1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:01.280 was like all this time when by from Purple Rain 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.880 to now and I hadn't seen you know, like Prince 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:06.880 would call me up with and play he was. I 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:08.800 was telling my cousin they had a weird sense of humor, 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:11.240 Like he called me up long after that's gone. I 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:14.920 think my first album was about the Dropper what I 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:16.960 can't remember? But he call you. I mentioned a song 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:19.600 today and I was like, you know, and he would 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:22.480 and he was always like he could call you and 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:25.640 you and it and I'm like real, So I go, man, 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:30.720 you get this number and he and henores, but he 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:34.320 ignores that. And I mentioned this song today and I go, 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:37.600 what do you talk about? Raspberry Beret? And click good, 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:40.560 Clay hangs up. It was I gonna listen to the song. 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.800 And I had moved the opposite of everybody. So I'm 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.080 in this area called Blaine. It was nothing out there 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:47.640 but cows and shit me so. 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:50.000 Old man Johnson's farm exactly so. 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.320 And then the other one was I mentioned I wrote 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:54.120 a song about you, and I was like, I didn't 1:03:54.120 --> 1:03:55.920 know what. At the time, I was living in Paris 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.720 and I we had Chris crossed a lot and I 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:02.320 was like, eighty nine, maybe that wasn't wrote a song 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:05.880 about you. Send me this tape, Bob George, I'm. 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:07.120 Like, mother forgot that day. 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:10.960 Wait, you know that's a part of the song that's 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:13.439 got a gun all that ship. He that's his sense 1:04:13.440 --> 1:04:15.520 of humor. So I had to call it, Yeah, that's 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:18.680 that's funny. But we would there's things that we would like, 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:19.120 can you. 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.800 Explain the references? Bob? How is that about you? How 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.600 is that cop you? Or the dude? 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.800 The dude when he goes can we just dance or whatever? 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.720 I don't I don't know. But he because his nickname 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:34.400 for me for I was here comes Jesse, I'm okay 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.360 Johnson because you know it was the tie. We was 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:41.880 just some street dudes. And so whenever we would run 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:43.720 into stuff and I would get that, I would get 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:47.400 called all the time. I'd be a we've been an 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.720 in store signing, and then some girl you're gonna be 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:55.760 like bitch, you know, and I would just like, you 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:59.320 know what, twenty twenty year old, you don't you don't 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:02.240 you know you just like you're fighting. You don't care 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.400 because I come from you, Saint Louis. Were girls girls 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.840 kick your ass. It ain't like it ain't like how 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:08.400 it is now. 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:08.760 You were. 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:10.960 I grew up going to school good as girl. You 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:13.800 like me, don't you. This girl used to sit behind me, batty, 1:05:13.880 --> 1:05:18.440 and you're my boyfriend. And she was a twin too. 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:22.200 She was a twin and her brother, just to describe him, 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:25.280 they looked just alike. His nickname was Big Fake. So 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:28.360 I wasn't trying to fuck with So. I used to 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:30.920 be terrified at this girl. But I'd seen girls just 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:35.400 beat MoMA and now so so. But it would we 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:37.840 be in an in store, you know, at a full 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:40.479 in store, and then I signed something. I didn't act 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:42.520 funny or nothing, but I signed something this girl be 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:46.720 like and I just immediately I just bet you what 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:51.480 you beat you Withn't that nigga you're with you? It 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:54.200 would happen in hotels, and I would, you know, because 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:55.760 we would go up come back from the show and 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:57.800 go up to our room and get changed, and she'd 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:01.240 come down and lobby and for like the nineteen ninety 1:06:01.320 --> 1:06:03.200 nine tour, can never meet anybody, you know, would be 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:07.320 on my arm. What vanity and we were like best friends, 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:09.960 So she'd come down on my arm like because she 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:13.480 was all the perfect man. No, she's a perfect, complete 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:20.240 killer blocker. Because girls would come up to me, you 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:22.720 can have and she wasn't you know. We were like 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:26.280 brother and sister. Well, our relationship to the day she died, 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:28.840 she was we were super tight. It's like on me 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:34.040 and Jamie and and and she would be the whole. 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:36.200 She had been all over the world and seen in 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:39.400 places we had never been. So when she came out 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.960 on tour and was seeing this stuff for the first time, 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:46.960 she was like completely really enthusiastic and excited about it 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:49.200 because she had she'd been you know, modeling and been 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:51.680 all over the place, but she had never experienced adelation 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:55.840 like that before. And so when we'd go in the lobby, 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:57.920 we'd go up and get changed and then we get rid. 1:06:57.960 --> 1:07:05.920 I try to sneak by doors. Never gonna get it's like. 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:08.160 And she'd be on your arm, literally girls, and then 1:07:08.160 --> 1:07:10.880 she would point you out, how y'all do women? Y'all see, 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.480 y'all see stuff we don't see. You'd be like, oh, 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.360 she's fun, look at her nails, look at everybody you 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.160 don't even see. You don't even. 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:20.680 Care, you're like that. 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:23.120 That's what she would say, stuff like she's not even 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:26.080 pretty territorial pes, It's like, what do you do? 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:26.600 You know? 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.280 So that And I could never say to her, no, 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.320 you know, because she was like, we guarded them, you know, 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:34.680 her Susan, We were like that. I was like their 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:37.880 big brother, because Susan to this day, if you talk 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:40.240 about Susan, you talk to Susan Mooncie, she'll tell you 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:44.280 how how often her and Prince were together. And I 1:07:44.360 --> 1:07:46.680 was always with them, And she said, she remembers me 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:49.880 looking at my watch at hey, where do you gotta go? 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:54.160 You know, in Minneapolis, you know it's like ninety below, 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:57.000 there's this much snow. So when you would go way 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.960 out to Chanhassan, where Prince live, you pack a suit 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:01.280 case because you wasn't trying. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:01.560 I would. 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.480 I had never lived in a city with freeways before. 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:08.160 So Rock Island is that little, It's that small. So 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.360 when I came to Minneapolis driving, it was like you 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:14.480 would see where you needed to be and you couldn't 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.920 get to it, and I would. I would, just I'm 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:19.720 telling you honestly, God, it was like scared shareless. It 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:23.640 was like so big and intimidating for years to me 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:27.000 and I can imagine, yeah, but but now I got 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:31.160 GPS that ship because I'd be daydreaming, you know, and 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:33.519 that's where listening to music in my car and I'm 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:36.120 because I was telling ingrid earlier. I've been all over 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:42.240 the world with no cell phone or or pager, you 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:45.120 know we used to. Now people can't even on my phone. 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:46.839 Batteries start you gotta charge. 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:50.080 You know, I start paying where I'm like, I my 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:52.800 cousin the slash managers always mad at me because I'm 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:54.160 always turning all my ship off. 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:59.640 I was gonna say. So we went to Minneapolis for 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:03.920 the super and it's like, thank God for GPS because 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:06.479 I was trying to figure out I mean, even me 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:09.920 driving all you know, I did the whole tour of 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:15.560 Minneapolis and all that stuff, like even with GPS and security, 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:19.080 like I still felt like I just try to imagine 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:22.840 what was it to drive forty years ago, thirty years ago? 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:25.880 And and if your people and if you're you know, 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:29.639 he always seems like he's in thought, always thinking about 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:33.800 music or something music relate, and if your people watcher too. 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.400 In Minneapolis is a really beautiful city. It's like it's 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:39.040 so clean, you go, oh my god. And it's even 1:09:39.280 --> 1:09:42.559 most cities like go see the sky or whatever. But 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:47.920 so when I yeah, it's I I'll kill somebody if 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:50.960 I don't have GPS to just say, dude, turn right here. 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:53.240 And I don't know if y'all know ways, but ways 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.040 unless you know your own voice in it? 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:57.240 Yeah you know that? 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:00.280 No, No, they added that. So I mean I going 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:04.519 there and all my ship fool, what are you? I 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:07.320 purposely it's so excellent you will ride with me? 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:07.479 Then? 1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:12.439 Mother fuck you just miss motherfucker. I got all of 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:15.680 my daughter by the fourteen year olds. She is in 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:19.960 the car dying right because it's like, dude, really, I 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:25.240 told you, I put on my own but no, going 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:28.800 back to what we were doing Graffiti Bridge and I 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:32.679 met Ingrid the first time I remember talking to because 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:35.479 she has she has this heaviness tour. Even even back 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:38.320 then as a young lady, she just had this heaviness 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:40.600 tour like she her mind always looked like she was 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:43.679 in thought, like she was some she. I always took 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.720 it like she really a member. I always told you 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:48.240 that my cousin was like she always so like she 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:51.080 wasn't in none of it. I thought I was bad. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:54.719 I was just out there going ship over with Yeah, 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:56.439 but it was all that time passed and it was 1:10:56.479 --> 1:10:59.599 the same kind of thing was happening. And so if 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:02.720 that easily boor g thedn't how bad were the rehearsals, 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:06.479 because I know that, like you guys were one of 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:08.559 the tightest but musical. 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:09.160 Here's that. 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:11.920 I came up like that whole lot of all that 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.840 stuff because I grew up with the James Bound thing 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:16.040 and all that, so all of that when I was 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:22.080 doing all that horn stuff, all of that stuff, I 1:11:22.120 --> 1:11:24.680 was like all the horn parts. I was coming up 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:26.240 with a lot of those arrangements and a lot of 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:30.840 the steps because I played guitar, and so when somebody 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:32.360 else would try to come up to I'm like, yeah, 1:11:32.360 --> 1:11:34.200 I'm not doing this shit because I can't sing and 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:36.400 play and do all that dumb shit at the same time. 1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:39.680 So as a when you're playing and somebody, oh, I 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:41.920 get this stuff, it's like, yeah, but you're not playing nothing, 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:43.920 so I'm not even paying attention to that. So I 1:11:43.960 --> 1:11:46.280 would come up with a lot of cara fee because 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:48.920 I knew that it would be simple, like if we 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.120 were just doing this or something, a simple move like that, 1:11:51.160 --> 1:11:53.400 but if you got three cats doing it tight. 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:54.679 It looks really cool. 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:57.960 And if the whole stage is going, I knew that, 1:11:58.439 --> 1:11:59.720 So I would come up with a lot of the 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:02.960 choriography and like we would do the chili sauce across 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:05.560 the stage. Came with all that ship and so we 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.160 do it around so you could play and then you 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:10.599 work so hard on it that rehearsal because you would 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:12.559 want it to be where you didn't think about nothing. 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:15.000 Because the singing play at the same time an instrument, 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.320 there's a middle brain you gotta find. So when people 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:20.559 go how do you do that? You as you know, 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:24.320 you can't think about one or the other. But he 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:28.320 be playing drums, he'd be playing drums and singing and 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:29.439 he'd be talking at. 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:33.080 The same time. So he sandwich man. 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:36.400 I saw him as a session murdering and he was 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:39.000 eating something and I'm like, and he kept going he 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:43.120 was and then he was doing and then he would 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:49.120 switch off credit and I was like, that's a bad dude, 1:12:49.200 --> 1:12:51.080 But he knows that it's a middle brain. If you 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:53.320 think about one or the other, you're gonna mess up. 1:12:53.800 --> 1:12:56.640 So it's a place I think right, left, right, I 1:12:56.680 --> 1:12:58.880 mess up. Yeah, it's like you, but you got to 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.479 a place that doesn't exist. It's just like an inner 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:05.320 blank space and you can almost see yourself in front 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:06.840 of you doing with you, but you know you. But 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:09.639 if you think about singing, or if you think about plant, 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:10.720 you're gonna mess out. 1:13:10.760 --> 1:13:14.040 When Jones calls it the alpha state, yeah, where you 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:16.640 just don't don't think about it, do it. 1:13:16.880 --> 1:13:18.679 So we're gonna get in a whole graffiti Bridge chapter 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:19.639 because I, well. 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:22.360 Yeah, we got a lot Ingrid. 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:25.240 I that's when I met Ingrid on the side, and 1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:30.040 I forget who introduced me to it, but I didn't. 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:33.519 I just asked her today did she ever live in Minneapolis? 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:35.639 Because I didn't think she was from Minneapolis or even 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:37.360 live there. She says she lived at twelve years but 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:40.720 I never thought that. But she heard her baby was like, 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.280 he wasn't that old. He was like, what eight months 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:46.200 or was he older than that? But he but I 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:49.360 knew she had and I just adore kids. So my 1:13:49.479 --> 1:13:51.840 kids were kids then at the point in time too. 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:55.720 I think her son and my daughter, the Isabella is 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:57.960 around the same age. But I was talking about that. 1:13:58.000 --> 1:13:59.639 But she was talking to me, and she was really 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.519 super nice. But I'm standing next to her and I'm 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:05.479 facing her, but she rarely ever did that. She would 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:07.559 occasionally did her but she would talk and have a 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:11.720 full till conversation with you, but she wasn't She was 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:16.080 really nice, but I was like, Okay, maybe I'm bucking 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.000 her and talking about stuff. And then eventually I walked away. 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:22.040 I'm on stage shooting now a scene, and then I 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.600 watched Prince walk over to her and she does the 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:30.040 same thing. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So tell. 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:31.320 The people, what were you think? You're angry? 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:31.880 What was going? 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:36.240 Well, let's see, I had met Prince a few years earlier, 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:39.160 so I had made this record with him that hadn't 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.679 been released, and so this is a few years later, 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:45.400 and so when I got back into this scene, I 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:49.200 was kind of over it. So I knew I was 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:53.800 right a little bit of a you know, like, Okay, 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:54.840 I'm gonna do this movie. 1:14:54.960 --> 1:15:00.320 But you know she's like, y'all since you're here, y'all, No, 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:03.320 she really you saw it all over her? Have I 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:05.479 not told you that? I told my cousin and I 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:09.280 was like, going. She she wasn't impressed by not, not 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:10.719 nothing that any of us was doing. 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:13.439 Can I ask a side question? This is this is 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:16.320 a side detour, but I think Bill and I at 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:23.240 least would like to know what was said to him. 1:15:23.439 --> 1:15:28.040 Oh what did you say to him that made him 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:32.200 canceled cancel the Black album? 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:34.960 I didn't say anything to him. I think he was 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:39.760 looking for a signed you know. And yeah, you know, 1:15:39.960 --> 1:15:43.080 so it wasn't a conversation. It was because he didn't 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:45.120 talk to me about it. I had no idea about 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:48.760 this Black album or anything that was going on in 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:49.519 his head that night. 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:50.760 He just had this. 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:52.040 He was on this. 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:54.679 He had these questions in his heart and his mind, 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:57.120 I think, and the night that I met him, he 1:15:57.760 --> 1:15:59.559 felt like there was a sign. 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:02.960 And yeah, the sign was don't put out that ship 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:06.120 to said the only good rappers are dead rapper and 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.519 do what you normally do put that ship on the 1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:12.439 time album. Let us be for motherfuckers, let us let 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:15.240 the tie, let me more sent terry beef with motherfuckers. 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:18.120 Shipped to do it, because like when that ship said 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:19.920 we don't like New Wave, ain't none of them. I 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:22.719 don't that ain't me on there. That's all Prince voice 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:24.720 that I know. But you that ship was, ain't that 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:29.120 Andre we don't like New Way and that ship ain't 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:33.160 got nothing. I gotta go boxing, petty, But I gotta 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:35.559 go box with motherfuckers now. And I ain't got nothing 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:37.320 to do with that ship on that record. 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.080 But that's no. 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.559 At this point, he had just left right now, he 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:45.760 that left, Yo, I never put you into neither, but that. 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:49.760 I heard that when you heard it. Okay the record again. 1:16:50.720 --> 1:16:51.920 In my mind, I don't like me. 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.559 Wait, I ain't on none of that. 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:56.240 I'm damn he's being petty. 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.479 I'm not getting shot or some ship out in there, you. 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:02.120 Know, because even someone had an album out around the 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:03.679 same time called Living in the New Wave. 1:17:04.280 --> 1:17:06.400 That was his whole that was his whole thing, His 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:07.160 whole thing was. 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.960 In my mind, I'm thinking, like, well, is he talking 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:11.960 about the Talking Heads or right I think. 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:15.280 Like the actual legit and new wave and but legit. 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:18.040 That was the whole thing about legit new wave band. 1:17:18.120 --> 1:17:21.160 They didn't call themselves that did, know what I'm saying. 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:24.200 It was just press was calling him that. But so 1:17:24.320 --> 1:17:27.240 you never said that he was bucking the shot at Andrea? 1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:30.200 And was he ever nice to anybody who heard. 1:17:30.160 --> 1:17:33.920 He was he was? I don't know was he ever nice. 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:34.760 To anybody who left? 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:37.639 I think that when I left, my record got dropped. 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:41.080 I mean, just like he was vindictive on this ship. 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:43.760 And then John when I played there December, When was 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:50.559 that December seventeen, twenty seventeen, John, what's his name? John? 1:17:50.600 --> 1:17:53.880 You know the John John Ringos. Well, you know, he 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:59.040 was always fiercely he was like he was always fiercely competitive. 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:01.160 I'm like that shit ain't fiercely competitive. 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:02.240 That's some bullshit. 1:18:02.360 --> 1:18:04.639 He did a lot of when I left, he did 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.680 a lot of stuff that people just don't know, Like 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.960 the whole Shocadelica thing. I I think it's whole. We were, 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:14.960 Oh my god. We used to ride around LA with 1:18:15.000 --> 1:18:19.240 the member of the Garbage cam back Seville. The catall 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.400 like to be with the gar We prints the room 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.000 we'd had the biggest hat song could barely fit in 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:25.720 the car. It was like something from Amoa, Get You 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:28.719 Suck Leaning. He was leaning his way. I'd be leaning 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:31.120 and we would and there's a riot going on. Was 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:34.400 our bible, was our bible. It was like day in, 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:40.160 day out. That's and so when I got the opportunity, 1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:42.799 which didn't have anything to do with me, John McClain 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:44.920 put the whole thing together. Because John McClain, I was 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:48.800 always always recorded in Minneapolis, so I wouldn't be in 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:53.200 LA because I didn't want record people coming over. And 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:55.960 there's this thing I never I didn't have budgets when 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:58.240 I recorded. I recorded on what it's called the fun 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:00.800 because when I signed with the label, I knew enough 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.679 by then, because I was broken enough and had got 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:09.400 you know whatever initiated. Let's just say that I knew 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:13.719 how to do yes exactly, how to least construct a deal. 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.120 And so when I did, I signed as a production 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:19.640 company that as Jesse Johnson. So that's why I could go. 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:21.880 If you look at that period, I'm on all kinds 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:26.960 of stuff, doing everything everywhere. But when I so, John 1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:29.040 was my an R guy. John McClain was my in 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.360 our guy, and he signed me, so the only artists 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.080 I think i'd sign at that point in time. But 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.800 he would fly in when I say I'm done. You 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:43.160 know I'm mixed, I'm done, and so he would say, 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:45.679 he said, okay, man, he said, you got a nice record, 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:48.120 and I'll play me shit you don't like. And one 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:51.360 of the songs I crazy was in the songs I 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:51.800 didn't like? 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:55.720 Why do you specifically ask you for what you don't. 1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:58.080 Because he knew that I would because the way he 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:01.040 set it up for me to record, because I was 1:20:01.120 --> 1:20:04.040 recording on a fun and not on pos nobody knows 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:05.880 what I'm recording. So when you're going to record an 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:09.120 eight song album, he knows I'm gonna record twenty songs, 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:11.679 a billion songs. And so he would go, okay, yeah, 1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:14.080 I play the song, and yeah, a nice record here. 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.720 Now play me the shit you don't like. And one 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:18.920 of the songs I played and was crazy and he's. 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:21.920 That's a hit, Daddy's I'm gonna take that to La. 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:24.880 I'm gonna put slide on there. And I couldn't picture it. 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:28.960 I couldn't. I was like, what hem ma, man? He 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.559 was like, and I couldn't picture it. I couldn't picture it, 1:20:32.560 --> 1:20:35.000 and he was like, so he did that whole thing 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:37.679 had nothing to do with me. I didn't see Sly 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.839 until I went to LA to do the video for Crazy, 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:41.439 and that's. 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:43.280 When we recorded his parts Away from You. 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.040 A guy named Billy Valentine got all the vocals and 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:49.920 everything on Sly in La. He did all of that 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:52.640 and Sly, I guess when he's you know, Slye was 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:55.479 the pioneer of that slowing the tape down and singing 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.400 if you won't man this day, that's where that sound 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:01.880 comes from it and so I get upset if I 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:02.479 do it now. 1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:02.760 People. 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:05.120 It was like, Prince, it's the funk out of here. 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:05.880 It's like I was. 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.160 Sly was the inventor of so much of that ship 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:15.719 and so uh that Prince he he took that really 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:19.360 in a weird way, and it was uh and uh 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.280 this last thing. I had a celebration in Minneapolis and 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:25.840 some psychic lady said, you know, Prince loves you or 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:28.760 something sent the message saying that or whatever. Bet they 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:35.040 had a psychic reader at or somebody said, I get 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:37.760 that a lot. But he called me when we were 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.599 in when I was saying some stuff with that something 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:43.880 was not right, and I was in a I was 1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:47.679 in for eleven day's rehearsal with D in New Zealand, 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.880 and then we went to the Gold Coast Byron Bay 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:53.160 to the festival. And when I was there, we had 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:56.760 got their day off and then we played. And the 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.680 first day we played, when I came back to the room, 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:01.280 because I don't take any of my I don't take 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:03.519 phones or anything with me. I leave everything at the 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.280 hotel and I don't take anything because motherfuckers be stealing. 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:10.000 So I leave everything at the hotel and completely disconnected 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:12.760 and kind of want need that anyway. But when I 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.639 got back, he there was a girl that I can't say. 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:20.759 Her name is an unusual name, but she uh worked 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.439 for him. So she's like, oh, Prince wanted to talk 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:26.360 to you, has something for me. And I haven't talked 1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:28.240 to Prince in a thousand years. So he's like, you 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:30.960 wanted to he has something for you and he wanted 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:32.360 to tell you. And he's like, you know you need 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:36.720 to do you need to you know this is her 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:42.680 message and you know Google transcribes, yeah, the message And 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.560 the only person I ever played the message for was 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.479 D and he said, you know, you need to do Jesse. 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:50.720 These other people you're dealing with there, they want to 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:52.360 be you, they want to be me, or they want 1:22:52.360 --> 1:22:54.439 to be Morris and they you know, he said all 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:56.400 this stuff like that beneath you, and you know, I 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:58.160 don't know who he was really talking about. And the 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:00.720 only person ever played it for was D and he 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:01.680 was like, who do you think he's on? 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:03.680 Like, I don't know, I know, but I. 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:09.280 Don't know anyway. But then you know, everybody knows Prince. 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:12.639 You know, you call the number and it's like a burner, 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:16.640 you know, it's like doesn't exist now, number back, But 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:21.000 it's never self destructive exactly. And so that was the 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:23.479 last thing I had. 1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:25.519 Interaction with him, and that was God. 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:31.479 Was that seventeen sixteen? Yeah, twenty sixteen. We were there 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:33.920 because Karina was there too. She's you know, you know Corina, 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:37.200 She's in a documentary, so she was there too. But yeah, 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:39.080 the only person I played that show for was D. 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:42.800 But uh, we should say to D is D'Angelo for 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:44.479 all the listeners because I don't know they might. 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:48.439 Oh yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, wait, okay, we this is 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:50.760 the most jumping ahead of time. We got to go 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:52.240 back a little bit. Yeah, we gotta go back a 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:55.240 lot of it because I want to hear at least okay, 1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:57.360 So when you at least developed the first record. 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.840 He well, the fly thing really messed him up. Because 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.679 the thing about it with Prince, I learned a lot 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:05.920 every almost everything I learned about when I got under time, 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:08.760 Like he, I wasn't afraid to do anything like you 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:12.080 you know, we would we like people. They were trying 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:13.640 to look like girls, but we were who he was 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:16.080 trying to really look like was little Richard because you know, 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:17.720 if you look at the photos, little Richard, he was 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:20.519 pretty as fuck, right, And so you know, in principal 1:24:20.640 --> 1:24:21.960 you got to do this and you you know, put 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.840 the because I never wore makeup or had foundation on 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:27.439 our island. But he was like whatever, you know he was. 1:24:27.560 --> 1:24:30.599 He just like knew that. I was like fearless as well. 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:33.519 And then when you fearless like that, it helps that 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:37.759 you have somebody alongside with you that thinks like minded. 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.240 They ain't just like, ain't no tripping, they don't trip 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:42.320 about the ship, you know, and people was like, man, 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.960 I think that goes gay. And I'd be like you, 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:49.360 but I hope you gay like he gay. Then only 1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:54.880 maybe a proctologist might see more crack, like whatever, what 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:57.560 the fuck? Whatever fuck out here with that bullshit. But 1:24:57.560 --> 1:25:00.320 they would always say that about me. But see, James 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.240 Brown told me, when they start calling you, that's when 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.280 you know you made it, you know, because when that 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:09.479 comes from the man they were. You remember as a 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:12.160 kid it was like James and Bobby Birds getting married 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:16.000 and crazy. And so when the signs were made the 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:20.240 first game, then you start getting shoot a lot you 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.760 grew up, yeah, or your sister like in my case, 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:26.160 was like threatening to cause you and once money, or 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:30.800 she's putting out a story of a lot. Wow, wow, 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:34.559 really yeah, I just know I told you all to day, 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:37.680 I said, I saw the episode of Say Yes to 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:40.639 the Dress. I just told him yes. Then she said, 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:48.439 but yeah no. But but going back to the Black album, 1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:51.880 I just that that that that one song would have 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:54.719 caused a lot of problems in l A that only 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:58.439 a rappers, No, that's a song that's dead on it. 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:00.559 Only a rapper is a dead rapper. And I was like, 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:02.840 that shit going end up on a time record. Now 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:05.519 we beefing and get shot it and got shit to 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.840 do with that song, man, But you know that was 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:11.479 long gone after that. But I'm just saying, dude, Due 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:13.920 was vindictive when you left, and you didn't do anything 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:16.000 wrong you. I went and made it on my own merits. 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:18.160 I wrote every song I ever did, or every song 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:20.800 was mine, because if I would have even attempted to 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:23.160 steal something is he didn't you know, he didn't play that. 1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:25.960 He would sue the pants off you because he had 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:28.599 the bread to do that. So I never went into 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:30.479 anything like that with him. And I had just never 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:33.240 signed releases or something. So when I left, lawyers were 1:26:33.240 --> 1:26:35.720 telling me, man, he owes you millions of dollars and 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:38.320 you can go, And I never did, and you got 1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:39.120 your freedom. 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:43.400 Got publishing Jungle. You got your publishing for Jungle. 1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:46.439 Luve right, No, I mean I did, but I there's 1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:49.519 prices that myself and Morris had to pay if we 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:52.400 were leaving. But I was never in a contract, but 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:55.120 we still there was prices you had to pay. Oh 1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:57.439 so if you left, then you had to differ up 1:26:57.479 --> 1:26:57.960 some things. 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:01.920 So what okay, I gotta ask, where is that the 1:27:02.040 --> 1:27:05.120 board because I know that you purchased Oh yeah, I 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:07.439 bought it, but it was really fucked up because I'm 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:08.880 I just left, I'm on my own. 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:12.000 I'm he know how poor I am. And he's doing 1:27:12.080 --> 1:27:14.640 dress rehearsals and just give it to you, like no, 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:18.120 it's just like this, motherfuckers. And he's doing dress rehearsals 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:22.200 at uh the Saint Paul Center or something, yeah, the 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:24.200 Saint Paul Civic Center. And I go over there and 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:27.000 I got a check for I think eighteen thousand. You know, 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:30.559 that's like nine million dollars to me. So I told 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:32.640 him I would just gave you the board, like no, 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:35.760 But he was real hardcore funny about it messed up 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:37.560 because the only person standing in a room when it 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:39.200 went down was out of leads. But I walked in 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:41.280 the room and I said, you know, to get that board. 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:43.800 It was a Soundcraft B three great board. We did 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:46.560 a lot of shit on it, nineteen ninety nine Vanity 1:27:46.960 --> 1:27:48.680 the time. We did a lot of great stuff on it. 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:51.599 All the purple rain was down on board. Yeah, so 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:53.920 we I go. I give him a check for that, 1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:57.519 which was like killing me because because my fun, my album, 1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:00.240 my first album, Fun was one twenty five and they 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:01.640 pay it to you in thirds you know, you get 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:06.080 a third when you start, third when you mix, and 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:09.040 the other remaining third when you had But people think 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:11.200 that's a lot of money, but they don't realize it's 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:14.280 working capital. It's not. It's like you get maybe get 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:16.400 to get twenty out of that if you're lucky, if 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:18.720 you're lucky. But I was really good. And because all 1:28:18.760 --> 1:28:22.000 the control is in your hands to to to to, 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:24.360 you know, to make sure you coming, you know, you 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:27.160 do right with the money. So and so I go 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:29.160 over to buy it, and I bought a board, but 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.920 it was garbage. It was a Soundcraft sixteen hundred. And 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:32.320 when I. 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:35.360 Started recording, it was like, oh. 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:37.160 And I and I had already lied my way into 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.280 the record you know the record deal. They say, you 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:44.040 you don't know about this, you produce records. Oh yeah, 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:48.519 of course I know what I'm doing. A clue what 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:48.960 I'm doing. 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:51.320 Susan, that was at least happening now. 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:56.479 Actually Susan. Then Susan didn't come with me until until 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:58.840 I did the Love Struck Hung So that's so Susan 1:28:58.880 --> 1:28:59.479 I'm talking about. 1:28:59.640 --> 1:29:01.719 And that's what question real quick, when did the Janet 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:04.240 Jackson tracks come in? Is this before you got signed 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:04.879 or after. 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:07.320 This after, but I was before my record ever came 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:10.400 out because I was a John McClean project too. So 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:13.479 I bought that board. I had to take the other 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:14.000 board back. 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:14.639 It was garbage. 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:17.320 It was I don't know what I paid for nine 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:19.320 thousand or something, and I took that shit back and 1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:21.120 I was like, all right. I was panicking. I had 1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:23.759 to make something happen. So I knew Prince Sella their board, 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:26.160 and I called him and he's like, yeah, yeah, d 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.280 d DA. And I didn't even say that, like, man. 1:29:28.120 --> 1:29:30.120 Why don't you just give it much? Motherfucker. 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:32.080 I ain't even get into that. I just said, Okay, 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:33.760 where do I need to I went over to the 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:36.400 same reci to check and Alan Leeds was in the 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:38.800 room and I and I said, you know, you should 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:41.080 be the nicest people in anybody ever met. And he goes, 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:43.600 why do you say that? And I say, because everything 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:46.400 you've ever dreamed of is happening for you in the 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:50.040 way that you dreamt of it happening, meaning a crossover, 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:53.680 right right crossover. That's why when the time plays seven 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:56.200 seven and stuff live, white people be like, oh what 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:57.760 the fuck is that? And then the black people in 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:59.680 the audience be like, yeah, because they knew all the 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:01.760 time shit before that. But if you ever see the 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:05.160 audience that the white kids, only the white folks only 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:07.559 know that ship from the Purple Range. They think that's 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:10.400 the only time record that's And so I got to 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:12.439 see that in two thousand and eight when I performed 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:14.679 that run in Vegas with them, and it's like you said, 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:18.679 seven to seven and the walk and all that shit, 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:24.280 And it's weird, how now people don't they don't like something, 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:26.120 and then you know, we like something, we go, man, 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:26.880 it's cool. 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:28.120 Let me go see these other. 1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:29.840 Records, and then we might end up. There's times we 1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:32.479 go Danni, shit, old man, them records wasn't right yet, 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:35.879 you know, but we'll go back and find out everything. 1:30:36.680 --> 1:30:40.400 And so when I bought the board he said, I said, yeah, 1:30:40.439 --> 1:30:43.040 it should be the nicest person anybody ever meet. And 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.120 I'm meaning this because I love Prince even to the 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:47.599 day they he died. We were the best of friends. 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:50.240 We had a major love for one and I lived 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:52.080 with him. I live with him, I lived in him 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:54.320 all the way and when we finished Purple Raine, I 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:57.439 was living at that house. And then when he went 1:30:57.479 --> 1:30:59.880 to La. It was cold blooded. He went to La 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:02.439 and I said, And on the rap night, I said, Prince, 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:04.839 can I stay at your house and use the studio? 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:08.840 He said yeah. But when I went there, I said, 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:10.439 can I just use the studio? Because I knew he 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:12.240 was going to La to you know, wrap the film 1:31:12.280 --> 1:31:14.240 and do whatever. I went there. 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:15.519 He took a boy. 1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:19.120 It was just a take machine and the board and 1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:24.519 the speakers, so I had to like go with someverb 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:27.880 and on it. And that's where Susan came. I met Susan. 1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:30.360 And you've seen Susan say, how if it wasn't for Jesse, 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:32.880 I wouldn't got the gig because I'm the one that 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:35.880 came and I knew everything. But you couldn't never sing 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:37.720 ithing around Prince. I remember a suns and sound. He 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:40.160 plugged in harmonizer. 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:40.400 And I said, what does that do? 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:44.320 Don't worry about that? And that's all you I knew 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:46.240 right then and there. Okay, he ain't supposing you ain't 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:48.920 supposed to know, no ship. But I had big eyes 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:52.800 and ears open, and so when he when she came in, 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:55.679 she came from Crosbie, Stills and Nash, so she never 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:59.400 was around no thumping, bumping, And I said, look, this 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:02.040 is the drum machine he uses. This is how he 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.160 likes his kick a cute, this is what he uses 1:32:04.200 --> 1:32:06.080 on the base. And I showed her all that stuff. 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.800 And so when he came in for the first time 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:10.200 and finally called her, she knew all this. 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:12.439 So all the outboard gear that he would have in 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:13.559 his drum machines too. 1:32:13.680 --> 1:32:17.240 He took all that shit to La and he didn't 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:19.679 tell He said, oh, yeah, sure. Then what I asked 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:20.920 about it was actually shocking. 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:21.639 Was at the wrapper. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:24.120 I was like, ah, because I had been staying there, 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:27.519 but for some reason, it's weird as hell. I Jamie. 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:30.720 She was asking me, you know, like the top of 1:32:30.760 --> 1:32:32.400 the year. She said, all that time you spent at 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:34.200 princes House, why did you just sleep in the living 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:37.559 room on the couch? And I said this bedrooms? He 1:32:37.600 --> 1:32:40.040 had other bedrooms in there, and his bedroom was on 1:32:40.080 --> 1:32:44.240 the lower level. And then after nineteen ninety nine, Jamie 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:46.920 had remodeled, had the whole house remodeling at the West Lake. 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:50.200 Speakers of shit. But I and she said, why did 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:52.280 you she financed me. Why would you ever sleeping in 1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:55.519 the other bedrooms? I said, because that best friend had 1:32:55.560 --> 1:32:57.920 them flowers and shit on it and ruffles. That shit 1:32:58.000 --> 1:33:01.160 freaked me out, man. But but let me tell how 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:04.680 futuristic this cat was. Because I didn't know any of 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:07.000 this stuff. But he would take me in the bedroom 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:09.679 like on if you've seen Twitter, and I said, yeah, 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.160 Prince had a I said, he had a stack of 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:17.000 rejection letters because the one that Owen published is one 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:19.439 of them. But he had a bunch of them because 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:21.360 he showed them to me. The only reason why I know, 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:23.479 because he showed them to me. But how ahead of 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:27.400 himself he was. You know, he in one of the bedrooms. 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:30.160 He opened up the door to the closet to show me, 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:35.040 and he had every outfit from the what was the 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:37.559 first album, call for You for You? He had all 1:33:37.600 --> 1:33:39.920 of the whatever he had on on their leather jacket, 1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:43.840 the bell bottoms of shoes, hit everything. He kept everything 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:47.680 he had to get. He just had that foresight or 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:49.600 something and he had and he was showing it to me. 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:52.080 But I didn't know what this stuff was. Some big 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.000 ass platform shoes, one am I supposed to do? 1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:55.880 But he had. 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:59.600 Everything from every album up until you know, this is 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.080 like after nineteen ninety nine, tours. So but he was 1:34:02.120 --> 1:34:04.160 showing me just like and that's where he had the 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:07.559 whole stock of rejection letters, and he's like, look what 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:09.680 this guy said, Look at this guy said, look at it, 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:11.000 and they were at all. I was like, I don't 1:34:11.040 --> 1:34:15.840 hear receipts and the yeah, but but it to me 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:18.759 was showing you how you you had a belief in yourself. 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:20.560 You ain't really. 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:28.839 Well wait, I still don't get the question answered. 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:35.840 Where is the board now, John McClean, If Jesus it's 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:37.840 upstairs and Marvin's woman John had it. 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:41.440 Marvin's boy and Prince's board is in that same upstairs 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:43.519 up in the where bedroom is. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:45.760 Yes, it's upstairs. And if you walk in, if you 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:47.800 walk upstairs and you see the best, you know how 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:52.000 he has had that secret door that opens even met. Yeah, 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:54.400 but what did I buy? I bought the t s, 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:58.200 the Giant one fifty six input and all that automation 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:00.320 because I had the two machines and stuff, and so 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:03.880 I outgrew it. But but my it was nicer after 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:08.839 I bought it because I had api okay five fifty 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:12.240 bees installed, had a roll of like six of them 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.320 installed in it. So I you know it was a 1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:18.799 great console though it was it smacked it to it, 1:35:18.800 --> 1:35:21.400 It really did. And that's why when he I was 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:23.599 just keeping it and then he said, oh, I'll buy that, 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:25.320 and then he bought it for what I paid for 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:28.080 a way back then. But he had Soundcraft come out 1:35:28.120 --> 1:35:33.200 and recap everything, refresh everything. So it's like men and 1:35:33.200 --> 1:35:35.599 it's just sitting there, but it's all connected and everything, 1:35:35.640 --> 1:35:37.720 but it's just sitting there and it's the five point 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:40.439 fifty b that we cut all that stuff. And then 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:44.400 I'm just like really not a collector of anything in. 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:49.679 That sentimental No, Okay, I gotta ask you, how did 1:35:49.720 --> 1:35:56.880 you manage to escape the dressing room from the food fight? 1:35:57.160 --> 1:36:01.799 It was the handcuffed like what they Every everyone's account 1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:07.320 of the food fight in in Cincinnati was that on 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:10.960 the nineteen ninety nine to was that you're you're anger, 1:36:11.640 --> 1:36:15.280 But I was you to take that that entire coat 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:15.840 rack down. 1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:18.080 It wasn't because if you if I was really angry 1:36:18.200 --> 1:36:20.400 like that, I gotta steal pipe in my out. It 1:36:20.400 --> 1:36:23.599 has been I've been on death row right now, so 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:27.640 I've obviously wasn't. It's just like you know you uh, 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:33.240 but it scared me that day because Prince when I 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:36.280 when I took that thing down, everybody in that room, 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:40.200 his band members, everybody fled like roaches. He cut the 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:42.920 light time. I was like, you can see because there's 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:47.439 somebody was shooting pictures and you can see just THEO 1:36:48.200 --> 1:36:51.080 and I was yeah, and I was running behind Prince 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:53.439 and like, say, if you open the door, you know 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:55.800 most it was a It was a big, big ass 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:58.600 arena place, so they have fire doors. So when he 1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:02.559 opened the door, Bobby z or somebody ran through the 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:04.800 door before Prince, and so the door was closing, but 1:37:04.840 --> 1:37:08.519 Prince was busy doing this and then he hit the 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:10.960 edge of that door and I kind of stopped because 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:13.360 I thought he didn't hurt himself. He hit that ship hard, 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.479 but he lamb and then rolled around the door. And 1:37:16.520 --> 1:37:18.240 I'm like, I'd have been dead if I hit the 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:20.720 door like that. But no, I wasn't like that. But 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:23.720 we had it was a but was funny though. I 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:26.360 just I just got the concert. So I have him 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:30.000 taking you both from the stage. But what you know, 1:37:30.000 --> 1:37:33.360 what you didn't see is he was running. You don't 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:35.720 see how giant the stage is. The stage is like 1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:39.840 ten twenty feet he was running so hard, and then 1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:47.600 Roger Trautman's drums big as drum set zapps with you 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:52.599 guys at yes, prince, yes, it was before the vanity. 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:55.120 It was before so it's the controversy to it, right, 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:59.480 But that drum set is sitting there, giant mam maculate. 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:03.240 He was running and he couldn't stop, and he knocked 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:08.519 that hole off the stage like twenty feet. This is 1:38:08.640 --> 1:38:12.960 one stage you guys are for. We got got him 1:38:12.960 --> 1:38:16.000 good because he used to do less work and he 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:20.639 got that whatever he used to say, I'll do use 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:24.040 whatever the words. That's always and he and then he 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:26.080 would always pull out this pair of underwear and do this, 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:29.840 like pull out a pair of drawers like man, I 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:34.160 went on a special hunt. I got a pair of 1:38:34.240 --> 1:38:35.840 draws that you know, you can put them on a 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:39.000 car like a braw and I put that and I 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:45.680 paid the production manager. I put that ship in his 1:38:45.960 --> 1:38:48.080 because when he would come off, he would change and 1:38:48.120 --> 1:38:50.320 put on the same kind of the same exact jacket. 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:52.639 Put that ship in the pocket. He goes, I'll did 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:56.800 you in and he's like, and you got to see it. 1:38:56.800 --> 1:38:58.280 It might even be on the tape to here, but 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:02.599 you see him and he and it's like a magician 1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:06.960 pulling out the scarfish and he's like, and he does this, 1:39:07.040 --> 1:39:10.040 and he looks at the production mad because the production 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:13.080 dude was from here, and he looks at him and 1:39:13.080 --> 1:39:15.880 he's like, he was so see, he could do that ship, 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:18.880 but he couldn't take this ship back. He was like, 1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:21.120 And I didn't think he'd be that hot about that. 1:39:21.280 --> 1:39:24.679 You know, he pulled that ship on these big ass straws, 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:26.400 and he was. But the fact that you have to 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:29.840 see him go after that, you in. 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:35.559 And then he had to. 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:38.760 Nerd a dude like and he was hot. And I 1:39:38.920 --> 1:39:43.519 was on the side of the stage. And so that 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:46.599 was the day before the food and so the food 1:39:46.640 --> 1:39:49.320 fight was the actual because that that day that I 1:39:49.320 --> 1:39:51.799 did that wasn't the end of It was the day before. 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:55.120 So that's how I was and was the end. 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:58.800 And so after the thing with me, when they got me, 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:01.720 you saw the door kind of small. He saw the 1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:04.639 time members with juice bags on the head. They took 1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:07.559 green garbage bags, put holes in them and had them 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:10.599 all life suit him and you saw them out there 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:15.080 just hot and ready to kill until Morris. We caught 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:18.840 Matt faink and you know you so they were so 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:20.920 angry that they were this close to him and could 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:26.120 hit him. Its like, was just off completely. It was 1:40:26.200 --> 1:40:30.160 just off. I mean, I'm like, because Terry's like, he's 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:32.759 just so close to it and then the egg breaks 1:40:32.800 --> 1:40:36.200 in his hand because he's gone. 1:40:36.040 --> 1:40:38.120 And the musicians shouldn't be sports people. 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:45.040 He's picking the egg off the I mean, just like 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:49.519 revenge time and the only person that wasn't food fight. 1:40:49.560 --> 1:40:52.120 They ran up on him. But he was never part 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:54.360 of it. I never said more than he what's up 1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:59.120 to him? Than all the years around. It was down Dickerson, Dickerson. 1:40:59.160 --> 1:41:02.200 But yeah, we caught math faint somewhere man, and he 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:06.519 was not good, wasn't pretty. Yeah we were. You know, 1:41:06.920 --> 1:41:08.840 you just don't need a lot for the time to 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.400 be mad. We ain't paid and then you know where, 1:41:12.560 --> 1:41:14.839 you know, we're going back to the hood. When the tours, 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:15.679 you know, it wasn't. 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:17.040 A lot at the end of the day, were y'all 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:19.479 at least scale like to other the other musicians that 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:21.800 you would tour with left like Roger Troutin. 1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:23.879 Ask him that we don't know nothing about no scales 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:28.360 and ship that's something that we just you know, but no, you, 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:30.360 in all honesty, you can't. The reason why you never 1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:32.080 hear me bitch and moan about it because it's like 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:35.040 you're there by choice, so you know, ain't nobody you do? 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:39.240 No because what you learned and what an experience couldn't 1:41:39.240 --> 1:41:40.720 buy it with all the money in the world. So 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.040 when I look at it, and I've always looked at it's. 1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:44.479 Like what if I got paid away more money? 1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:48.679 But I would have never been in that inner. That's 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:50.680 why when a man was sitting here and he was 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:53.559 laughing about cleaning the toilets, which I don't know, dude 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:55.200 would call me in the middle of the night. I 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:57.639 lived down you know those apartments that you see from 1:41:57.640 --> 1:41:59.880 the freeway that are in different colors. See the scu 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:03.559 was That's why I lived, and that's where they used 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:07.960 to film the Marriytime Marshall. Really yeah, but I used 1:42:07.960 --> 1:42:10.920 to live there and to get in Michael, you call 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:14.000 me at any hour and I would go drive way 1:42:14.040 --> 1:42:16.760 out there because it's the studio. And then the girl 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:19.240 I was dating with, I think you guys are having 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.080 a fair and I'm like, did the funk out here? 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:24.200 You know how to make records, call me too, but 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:26.320 this is fucker called this is fuck. They don'ts how 1:42:26.320 --> 1:42:28.960 to make records, you know, And seriously, that's exactly what 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:31.679 came out of my mom I'm like going, I'm sorry, 1:42:31.760 --> 1:42:35.040 but he went and out over you because Sigon came. 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:38.799 Hear around you and listen to some records or whatever 1:42:39.000 --> 1:42:41.240 and the three genos back then it was still three 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:44.559 channels right now. But I'm like, ship, this is another thing. 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.760 So he would call me out there. Morris is the 1:42:47.760 --> 1:42:50.760 Morse is the witness to this. But Morris, you know, 1:42:50.800 --> 1:42:53.000 in the studio they had that really long cue tip 1:42:53.600 --> 1:43:02.519 that you clean the head, stop using those not for that. 1:43:02.680 --> 1:43:05.800 He would be mad, like you. 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:14.599 Man, would you stop you? But this we were this 1:43:14.720 --> 1:43:19.320 is doing according the Bird, I think with the bird, 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:21.680 the original bird, Okay, And he called me out and 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:23.920 he called me out the drive way out there in 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.080 the middle of like I think I will record or something. 1:43:26.600 --> 1:43:29.600 That got me out there because the machine broke and 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:32.840 I meant to rewind it by hand. He called you 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:36.920 just yes because he knew. He was like just gonna 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:38.840 pay the dudes to be in this moment because you 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:41.760 know them two grew up together. As kids, Morris and 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:44.920 Hill was so Morrison be sitting at the board and 1:43:45.160 --> 1:43:49.639 he would be Ryan because I'm like, man, fuck the 1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:51.880 fuck is why you had me call Man? You need 1:43:51.920 --> 1:43:53.120 to call Dom Batcher. 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:56.320 Why Morris an't give you the handsome. 1:43:56.160 --> 1:43:59.400 No, because he because they're hilarious. They're the funniest dudes. 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:02.559 They are the funny. Morris is probably one of the 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:05.960 funniest dudes you ever meet. And he's off the cuff 1:44:06.040 --> 1:44:09.400 with it. Like on stage even that run in Vegas, 1:44:09.479 --> 1:44:11.919 a girl came up and had this top on and 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:14.439 she had a you know, was like tied in the 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:16.000 back of the boat and just saw the top of 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:18.120 his head he got when he touches things like I'm 1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:23.000 about to go from PG to double D like ship 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:25.800 just immediately he don't think about it and he just 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:29.360 fat and I just be like, I can't even I 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.360 tell you when we you know, when we see each other, 1:44:31.520 --> 1:44:34.000 we'll see each other now and before we say anything, 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:37.280 we just look at each other and start Ryan just 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:38.880 start laughing because we know. 1:44:40.479 --> 1:44:42.559 Morris isn't the same for everybody who never met Morris. 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:43.120 He is purple. 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:49.840 He is funnier because all that stuff was written all 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:52.920 that stuff was written by friends. But Morris Morris is 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:57.640 funny as hell. He so funniest cats ever. Man, all right, 1:44:58.040 --> 1:44:59.640 are you about to change the topic because actually want to. 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:04.759 There's a photo going around of Morrison Prince and Princess 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:08.679 and Jamie star mode or where he's doing that. Yeah, no, 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:11.000 that's just the polls. They would never they would never 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:11.400 like that. 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:13.200 Well no, no, no, no no, I'm just asking, like, you 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:16.240 know what he would did Jamie Starr character appear in 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:17.639 the studio whenever? 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:20.599 That was some ship that was just print. I ain't 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:23.320 seen them about get Ready knock Up one time, and 1:45:23.400 --> 1:45:26.639 I was just so happy. I was like being out 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:34.800 in the middle, be fun friends. It was on the 1:45:34.880 --> 1:45:39.920 set of Propine and Morris came in and uh he 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:44.160 was late, and he wasn't late because y'all don't even 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:46.639 know man. Y'all don't even know man. He We would 1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:48.760 be on the set every morning at five thirty, but 1:45:48.800 --> 1:45:51.760 we wasn't shooting being dressed. No, it wasn't no hurry 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:53.679 up and wait. Just didn't want us to be doing 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:57.120 anything else. So you'd be on the set every day, 1:45:57.240 --> 1:46:01.040 full makeup, dress and ain't shooting nothing, just had just 1:46:01.120 --> 1:46:03.720 so he would know where where's Jesse. I know where 1:46:03.720 --> 1:46:06.479 he's over there? Okay, you know that kind of ship. 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:09.160 And so Morris was like, yeah, man, you know what, 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:11.800 fuck this ship. And so Morris walked in one day. 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:13.840 It was so it was so amazing because he was 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:16.599 always like my idol, because he. 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:20.160 He came in high collar, clean his hell, ask got 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:24.640 look just looked amazing, hairlaid, everything, came in clean his 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:26.400 hell and Prince and it was when you. 1:46:26.400 --> 1:46:28.760 First walk in the first avenue. You know you can 1:46:28.800 --> 1:46:30.920 either go that way if you go this way. There's 1:46:30.960 --> 1:46:34.200 a stairway, so that the stairway is full of extras. 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:37.120 And Prince walked up to him, which he was used 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:39.280 to doing and sand stuff for him. And Morris never 1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:44.720 would say anything in front of everybody, but he this 1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:48.240 morning wasn't. He wasn't at one because. 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:49.080 He walked up to it. 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:50.880 Man, you know you're letting the thing about it. 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:51.639 He's doing this. 1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:59.519 Like mother fucker, and what the fuck? And I was like, 1:47:00.240 --> 1:47:05.080 that's about time. And then when they made it to 1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:07.600 the dressing room with that, then Prince came into the 1:47:07.640 --> 1:47:14.400 dress rooms man and Morrises immediately was and then Bean 1:47:14.520 --> 1:47:17.679 jumped and he's like, bring this ship man, Morsels, get ready, 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:19.519 And I was like, I'm standing at that going because 1:47:19.560 --> 1:47:21.439 that's what he with. Me and Jerome used to fight 1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:25.080 all the time, really because when Jerome got when Jerome 1:47:25.120 --> 1:47:27.599 came around, he wasn't in the band. He was like 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:29.840 the roadie dude. So he would be mad all the time. 1:47:29.840 --> 1:47:33.519 You'd see him and he'd be moving the suitcases and roadka. 1:47:33.640 --> 1:47:35.439 He'd be mad all the time. He was always mad 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:37.000 at me for something he didn't even know me. But 1:47:37.800 --> 1:47:39.519 and so we fight all the time. I said, you 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:42.080 know what, Mom, Toddy, you musclehead motherfucker, let's do this 1:47:42.120 --> 1:47:44.960 ship And Prince used to be the always be the 1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:47.600 one let him let him fight, So that was my 1:47:47.720 --> 1:47:52.920 opportunity to investigator. Yeah, and Bean jumped in your friends, 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:56.280 did Joy ass off the way? Let these niggas had 1:47:56.280 --> 1:47:56.880 his ship out? 1:47:57.120 --> 1:47:58.639 I just want to know who said I will fuck 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:00.560 you up more? 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:05.439 Yes, So sorry y'all, So sorry to cut y'all so short, 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:08.439 but you know there's more to come next week on 1:48:08.560 --> 1:48:12.439 our special interview with Jesse Johnson, Tune in next week 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:16.160 when Jesse will talk about those Purplerine deleted scenes. That 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:20.000 we didn't get to see touring with Luther vanros and 1:48:20.320 --> 1:48:24.320 Roger Troutman and Larry Troutman. Also, we'll talk about a 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:28.599 few Prince demos going up for auction. It'll be a blast, y'all. 1:48:28.680 --> 1:48:30.720 Trust me, Trust me? You want to come back next 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:34.559 week for part two of our interview with Jesse Johnson 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:48.960 on Quest Love Supreme see event West. 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