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Speaker 1: Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? What's going on? Y'all? This is QLs Classic.

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Speaker 1: My name is quest Love. You're listening to a classic

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Speaker 1: episode of Course Love Supreme. Hey, what can I say?

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Speaker 1: Jesse Johnson from the time you know of Course Purple

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Speaker 1: episodes are my favorite. This is from August first, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: What makes this Jesse episode so special, in addition to

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Speaker 1: his storytelling and his amazing life, is the sneak guest

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Speaker 1: that he brought into the show that we weren't aware

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Speaker 1: of when I was aware of. Anyway, I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys enjoy it. This part one of a two part

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Speaker 1: Jesse Johnson and Course Love Supreme QLs Classic. I hope

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Speaker 1: this works.

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Speaker 2: Suprema Supreme, A roll Call Suprema Supreme, Roll Call Supreme, Supreme,

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Speaker 2: Roll Call Supreme.

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Speaker 3: Supreme, roll car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm always getting into something? Why Ia says

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Speaker 1: I ain't right? Mm hmm. Some could say, oh, don't

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Speaker 1: go home with him, or my bark's worse than my bite. Right,

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Speaker 1: you can trust me, girl. A gentleman, A gentleman never

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Speaker 1: tells HM, your secret's safe on site.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jesse, Yeah, come in man, Suprema Suprema roll.

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Speaker 1: Car name Sugar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, used to drive a Silica.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, back when this dude was making Shaka Delica.

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo roll Suprema Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Roll call was five.

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Speaker 6: Was corrected by my mother. Yeah, I was sure today's guest. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was my father's brother.

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Speaker 2: Sup Supremo roll call Supremo Suprema.

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Speaker 7: Rolls like yeah, and Jesse, yo, just looking for to

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Speaker 7: go out.

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Speaker 8: Suprema Supremeo roll Suprema Supremo roll.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and yeah yeah, I want to picture.

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Speaker 8: Supreme Supreme Supreme roll Supreme Supreme Ro Supreme Supreme.

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Speaker 1: That's all ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Uh, clown and early, No, you don't.

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Speaker 1: It's a long story behind that, you know.

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Speaker 3: At the same time that can't even y'all get away

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Speaker 3: with her thinking she's right there.

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Speaker 1: Those three seconds, those three seconds are the staple of

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Speaker 1: the show. It's a long story. Explain what that means.

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Speaker 1: But ladies and gentlemen, Uh, nothing sits us more uh

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Speaker 1: than getting one on one time.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: What I consider with any purple disciple on quest Love

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Speaker 1: supreme and this is no exception.

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Speaker 3: Bring up bad memories.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to say, paink disciple, you.

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Speaker 3: Bring up bad memories of that chachadelic or stuff. No,

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Speaker 3: y'all did. Y'all don't know the story behind.

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Speaker 1: I've heard the story.

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Speaker 3: We don't what y'all hold people, truth had the truth.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get that. Let me introduce you for anyway.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is a master x men on part with

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Speaker 1: some of the best brothers to ever touch the guitar

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Speaker 1: from Eddie Hazel, Ernie Eisley, the Brother Nelson himself, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Hendricks name him, uh turner anybody. Uh, he's gaying attention.

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Speaker 1: Remember he said he's gay.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know what he.

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Speaker 1: Remember he's gay. Jesse Johnson, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, question, Thank you for this. It's actually my pleasure, man.

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Speaker 3: It's how's it going, bro? It's good, man. I can't complain.

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Speaker 3: And that's when people you know I'm a true New

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Speaker 3: Yorker in a sense, when you ask me how am

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Speaker 3: I doing I'm compared to who?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely as you that. Well, Thank you man,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you but I'm good. I mean, I really

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Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to chop it up with you

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Speaker 1: since uh well, since you've been on the scene.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's why I I this would what great timing.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I've done so much stuff together. We've never

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Speaker 3: had it, but we're always like jumping out of the

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Speaker 3: plane with the parachute on and hitting the ground running.

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Speaker 1: Part of me always knew that I'd have this platform

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Speaker 1: one day, so I think I wanted to save all

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Speaker 1: of my fan out moments for when the tapes are rolling,

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Speaker 1: so I could just ask any and everything, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like, I mean, after you broke my heart about

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Speaker 1: the the lin drum seven seven story, Yeah, it broke

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Speaker 1: a lot of heart, and then I'm certain that there's

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Speaker 1: like fifty other worries you about to debunk today. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They always say the truth is can be heavy.

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Speaker 1: Truth hurts, Yeah, so uh well, yeah, I guess I

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Speaker 1: should say that we are recording at the world famous

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Speaker 1: Electric Lady Studios, the house of Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: And uh Live and Well in New York.

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Speaker 1: We're actually in the b room, which you know, rarely,

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Speaker 1: what do we do here, Steve? We did like send

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Speaker 5: One more again, I guess was in here. So a

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Speaker 5: lot of vocals and mixing in here.

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Speaker 1: But Jordan, I know that, uh, I at least know

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Speaker 1: that a track send it on here, Like we started

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Speaker 1: ap Ram. So like a lot of the early stuff,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a real Superman Lover on it. Back

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Speaker 1: when I think Kim and BB King were supposed to

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Speaker 1: do Superman Lover, we're talking about doing D'angelo's Voodoo.

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Speaker 7: But right, so, Jesse, you never recorded it here before.

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Speaker 3: I've came here a couple of times when he was

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Speaker 3: when d was working there, but I wouldn't come in

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Speaker 3: because it's like the headspace in here that you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Jimmy disciple. So it's like even now, it's overwhelming. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's heavy because you depending on you know what you

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Speaker 3: feel and how you feel things, and I usually feel

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Speaker 3: what's going on and it's it's it's beautiful, but it's heavy.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that sixty eight, sixty eight years later, maybe

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Speaker 1: would you say that at least seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: the studio still intact from the original plan of Well.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's fifty year.

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Speaker 1: Sixty eight. I'm in nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fifty years yeah, well technically opened in seventy. But

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Speaker 5: but there's there's some gear that's original, some microphones, but

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Speaker 5: but structurally, it's mostly in the structural exactly our work.

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Speaker 7: And you know, can we can we reiterate to everybody too,

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Speaker 7: that you kind of grew up in this building for

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Speaker 7: some of the New Quest Love Supreen listeners as Sugar Steve.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know, I stole Sugar Steve from Electric Lady Steve.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm only like the third most interesting person here.

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Speaker 7: Use somebody might be listening like, what the hell did

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Speaker 7: Sugar Steve know what?

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Speaker 3: Actually he knows a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I came up here as an intern,

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Speaker 5: started cleaning the toilets, and then stay for about eight

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Speaker 5: or nine years.

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Speaker 1: And wait, you were here eight years before.

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Speaker 5: No, I started basically when you when you came.

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Speaker 1: Here, So you were an intern when Voodoo started. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we told you did else. No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 5: I was an assistant engineer, okay, who cleaned the toilets.

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Speaker 1: At the time. There was a cat here named Jimmy

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Speaker 1: that we swore was the actual ghost of Jimi Hendrix.

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Speaker 1: One time he there was what was it, he jumped

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Speaker 5: Board and Yeah, if he jumps on the console while

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Speaker 5: you're mixing, meanings like he approves of the mix, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was one time where he like, we

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Speaker 5: Plus his name was Jimmy, which which really helped.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that helped, all right, So jesse H, I always

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Speaker 1: start each show with this question, where were you born?

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Speaker 3: Rock Island, Illinois as far as that from a town

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Speaker 3: probably four or five hours from Chicago. It's between before

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Speaker 3: that famous place from U Wayne's World.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 3: That he thought he had my I play used to

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Speaker 3: it's called a Gainsboro, that's something like that. I used

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Speaker 3: the movie, he said he thought he had Mono, but

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Speaker 1: And a roar. But Aurora was really like that.

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Speaker 3: But Peoria, I played one of those you know you've

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Speaker 3: seen the storied uh Richard probably talking about the Pimp

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Speaker 3: Yeah convention. I played one of those Illinois for real

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Speaker 3: and they they're real, Like the dude comes in the

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Speaker 3: Pimp of the Year with the cup and.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, you were born in the sixties,

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Speaker 3: Yes, But I played with I was so fortunate I

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Speaker 3: They were signing there, al Greens band. You know, you

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Speaker 3: the rough side of You've heard Quincy Jones talk about

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Speaker 3: the South Side Chicago's joke. It's like escape from New York,

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Speaker 3: really But East Saint Louis was no joke. I grew yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Say Louis. So I saw George.

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Speaker 3: I think the album might have been I can't it

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Speaker 3: was Jerome Brayley, but it was years before the Jerome

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Speaker 3: Braley had the stuff that's on the mother George has

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Speaker 3: Chocolate City. But I saw them. I was a little kid.

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Speaker 3: to George, George would be like, oh man, you're telling

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Speaker 3: we know the Donald Goyn's books and slams and into

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Speaker 3: seven older brothers. Whoa damn Wait, you were the youngest

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Speaker 3: of seven. No, I'm not like towards the end, but

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Speaker 3: I you know, I got older brothers though.

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Speaker 6: Okay, siblings in total? How many siblings and total?

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Speaker 1: Shit?

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Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't cuss, right, it's a lot of us.

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Speaker 3: It's it was like twelve of us or something because

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Speaker 3: My older siblings are not his siblings. I'm my father.

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Speaker 3: There was I just remember this one song because I

435
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 3: used to I used to just make me have. I

436
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: didn't like this, so it was called I was a

437
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 3: girl watcher A girl watch. Yeah, I watching girls.

438
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know the real version later, but I knew

439
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know the real version until just.

440
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: So. Yeah, I just said, I you know, I do.

441
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: That's for some reason, you know certain things in your

442
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: like you know, the day you know Kennedy was this

443
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: and the same thing.

444
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Wait, since we were in a rabbit hole. Side note,

445
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: Run did one solo joint that never quite made it

446
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three. It was like Run and Papa

447
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: Papa rhyme large or something, and they covered I'm a

448
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: Girl Watcher. Oh wow, but that you have never released

449
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: it because it was like run run, So anyway.

450
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: No, that's just I was just saying how certain things

451
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: become a snapshot in your life because you they're connected

452
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: with music. It's like the day Martin Luther King was assassinated.

453
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: I remember it because one of the songs I love

454
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: was cat just recently passed away that I absolutely love,

455
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: Hugh Mescala grazing in the grass. And so I was

456
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: a young kid and HEAs Saint Louis and been fortunate

457
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: enough at that time I met Martin Luther King as

458
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: a little kid. You know, Malcolm X.

459
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I'm gonna need you not to pass by

460
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 7: these moments, and I'm gonna need you to kind of

461
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 7: tell I'm.

462
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: Telling you when I elaborate on everything is I believe you.

463
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: It's just like but it's like those times, the times

464
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: that you grew up in and you got to remember

465
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Malcolm X wasn't like the Malcolm X that people know.

466
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: He went, he flew, you know, they he would be

467
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: the guy that would come in and opened the other mosque.

468
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: And so growing up in the Nation of Islam, so

469
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: through my mother, so.

470
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 7: I wait a minute, yeah, I got to get.

471
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: I got to experience all of that seriously. Yeah, that's

472
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: the reason why I'm like always was kind of really

473
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: corny and not in the drugs or drinking and all that,

474
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: because because I was just raised to do that way,

475
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: raised by a whole bunch of women, my mom, her sisters.

476
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so.

477
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 7: Your mom was in the nation, was your but your

478
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 7: dad wasn't?

479
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: They weren't they were not married? Then okay they were

480
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: like she disappeared with all of us. And there it's

481
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: a whole nother.

482
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 7: You're gonna say that for the book. I see what

483
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 7: you're doing.

484
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's just it's just like would go on

485
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: and be probably everybody no, like this is a true

486
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: music nerd, but it's like, but it's like the all

487
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: the moments that you live. And because one of the

488
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: things that when Quincy talked about, we would go to

489
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: school in South Chicago and coming home, going to school

490
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: and come home almost like a life and death experience

491
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: every day. That's how East Saint Louis was. How did

492
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: you escape that?

493
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: Though? Like, did you have like.

494
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: No, I was, I have no idea because I because

495
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: let me tell you how crazy it is now. It's

496
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: like it's like my youngest child is fourteen, and I

497
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: can't imagine her walking from here to you know, three

498
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: or four or five blocks where I'm I'm nine, and

499
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: I was ye over seeing those shows when the kids

500
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: go extra extra Read out about when me and a

501
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: kid that lived upstairs from us in this apartment. His

502
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: name was Hermann. Uh he passed away as a child.

503
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: He got hit by a car, unfortunately, but he was

504
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: a He had a gig selling this newspaper called the

505
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: Bistate Defender. So I was so a hustler at such

506
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: a young guy. So I was nine, and I had

507
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: to lie and till the guy was ten. And so

508
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: we would go after school and we would get a

509
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: whole stack of papers. He would get a whole stack

510
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: of paper and carry How crazy this is. You can't

511
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: imagine and doing this with your kid, or allowing your

512
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: kid to do this. But where I lived in the

513
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: Saint Louis, we would walk across the bridge to Saint Louis.

514
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: When you walk across the bridge in Saint Louis, Missouri, now,

515
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 3: so we would walk across the bridge, me and Herman.

516
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: He was ten, I was nine. We would get these

517
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: stack of papers. They were twenty cents a piece. We'd

518
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: have to turn in the diamond. Then we kept a dime.

519
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: So we'd walk across the bridge. At the end of

520
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: the bridge. You when you got across the bridge, you'd

521
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: make a right and on one side was the Continental

522
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: Trailways bus station. Other side was the farmer's market. So

523
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: we'd be this isn't at night and we're walking down

524
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: there by state defend their busy and we would sell

525
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: every one of those papers, walk across the bridge the

526
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: next day, give the guy his half of the ten,

527
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: then we get another stack. We would do that every day.

528
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: Imagine your kid allowing your kid today. But it was like,

529
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: you know, helping. Huh, how would you guys be out

530
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: there till them papers were gone?

531
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 7: And y'all was mad late, like the paper come out

532
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 7: in the morning, y'all sell No.

533
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: The by state there was like some weird paper that

534
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: just kind of told about murders and killings. And because

535
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: at that time Saint Louis, I think Saint Louis, Missouri,

536
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: was the murder capital of the state. And in that

537
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: neighborhood that was the murder capital was where the Spinkx

538
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: brothers came from. Oh yeah, because you they were Yeah,

539
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: it was like you didn't go in that. It was

540
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: the projects over there. And you would walk past this

541
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: store that was called Famous Bar Sticks and Fuller and

542
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: all of some story like that was really like the

543
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: big Then you got two blocks past that, man, it

544
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: was like the White House back in the days. You

545
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: remember you walked past the White House for about two

546
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: blocks and it was, well, what's going on? What happened?

547
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

548
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: East St. Louis a lot of cities like that.

549
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: Were there any notable uh peers or people that we

550
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: were doing all day long?

551
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: Because if you guys go look at the history of

552
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Chuck Berry and all them. So East Saint Louis, downtown

553
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: eas St. Louis, there was a club and I just

554
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: don't know how, and I ain't dead or whatever, but

555
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: I was a kid. I was a little kid, wasn't

556
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: old enough, but I was so crazy with music already.

557
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: This club Chuck Berry would play it and the club

558
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: had a back door. You would open the back door.

559
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: I remember hearing stories. Elvis used to do this when

560
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: he was a you know, a kid, he was a

561
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: little kid. He would do to go look in the

562
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: window at the you know, the juke joints and they

563
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: would let him do that and the little white kid,

564
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: and I actually did that. I would this club. You

565
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: would open the back door and you could see straight

566
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: through the club to the stage, and I would see

567
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: Chuck Berry play. I would see the I would just

568
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: sit there and be like And so I was really

569
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: fortunate in the sense that I knew what I was.

570
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: Going to do.

571
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: And then what changed it. Parliament Funkadelic played at Eastside

572
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: High School, and then whenever I would tell George. I

573
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: was telling George just during the Graffiti Bridge filming and

574
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 3: he was like, Oh, you're showing your age. I said, no, bro,

575
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: I was, I wouldn't even and I wouldn't in high school.

576
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: I said, I took the rebusses to get to that area,

577
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: and I said, I was so young and so little

578
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: that when the guy opened the door, he was like,

579
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: who's with you? You know at the school, and he

580
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: let me come in. So I'm sitting in the bleachers

581
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: watching them rehearse sound check and everything, and it was

582
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: I knew from that moment what I was gonna do

583
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: because Michael Hampton walked in. It was back in the

584
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: seventies where there was these patch of jeans and Michael

585
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: Hampton walked in and he had a pig nos amp

586
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: on east side and they had they all had some

587
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: barrels hanging off their back like real Mexicans, and it

588
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: was like and it was the only time I've seen

589
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: during the soundcheck, George Clinton played a black less Paul.

590
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: He played guitar and it's just the real this was

591
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: Funkadelic fund And you talked to George. George's memory is frightening,

592
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: like George remembers any and George is mind blowing with that.

593
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: Like George talked to me by about three years ago

594
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: and oh, I haven't seen you since the Blop blop

595
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: blop and he was dead and the and it was

596
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: the last time he saw me was at Paisley was filming.

597
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's just mind but that show. I remembered

598
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: it because I'm dude, I'm a little kid. I'm like

599
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: and I took like two the transferred things to get there,

600
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: and so I to this day, I try to remember

601
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: how I got home because I'm a little kid and

602
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: just walking from that school back to where the bus

603
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: just just like sick with it. As far as no,

604
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: I was actually living with some other.

605
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 7: People like in the books ran away.

606
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: It was like a foster kid at that point time.

607
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: It's another recurring on this show. So how did you

608
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: wind up in Minneapolis?

609
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: Well, I was in in Rock Island. Rock Island is

610
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: a really very very very small town. And at the

611
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: end of the bridge, there's this bridge that it takes

612
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: you from you're in rock I know, Illinois. When you

613
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: go with a bridge in Downport Iole. Well read the

614
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: foot of that bridge. There's a you can see it

615
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: online because it's no longer there now, but it's called

616
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: the Yankee Clipper. It was a hardcore biker bar. I mean,

617
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: if you went in there black, you died. You I'm

618
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: not I'm serious. The band the you can look it up.

619
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: The motorcycle group was called the Grim Reapers. Seriously seriously,

620
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: like yeah, no, seriously, you you and he and it

621
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: even worse. You had a chance, you had a better chance,

622
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: Like I learned something about cats that were hardcore like that,

623
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: Like I went in there and I survived because I

624
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: went in there and cranked them. Map and the guy

625
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: who placed I took in his band of band was

626
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: called Dealer. And the guy who place I took he

627
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: was like an actual dealer and he just got tired

628
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: of planning, so I took his he gave the job

629
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: to me. And then and the band was all all

630
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: white band and the club was like it was like

631
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: it used to be at one point in scription, so

632
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: you had a The stage was like this when we

633
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: were and then it came out in a little you

634
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: like that because it was a strip joint and it

635
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: was a long stage like that, and then a bar

636
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: ran and I and when the singer, one of the

637
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: guys in the band was gay, and I never got

638
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: any flat because I played my butt off.

639
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: You know.

640
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: I went in there and just popped it harder than

641
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: it ever you know. I heard somebody kick guitar like that,

642
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: and and when he would come up to sing, hey

643
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: what pelt him with so much stuff? And I was like, damn.

644
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: So this like the Blues Brothers where you just the chicken. Yeah.

645
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: But what I discovered at that young age is like

646
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: you can be white, but if you're gay, they will

647
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: hate you more then they hate me. Yeah, they don't.

648
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: They never because they loved me because I went in

649
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: there and really, so.

650
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: Does this mean that you would have to go zero

651
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to one hundred and automatically show your shred skills to

652
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: let you let them.

653
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: Know it's something happens to you because you you in

654
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: your mind know that it's a It's it's hard to explain.

655
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: It's like something in your mind knows that it's like

656
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: sink or swim, and so you just dive right in

657
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: swimming and you don't know how to swim, but you're swimming.

658
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: You know you're swimming. So at the end of that bridge,

659
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: the town is so small at the end of that bridge.

660
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: Think that Yekee Clipper across the street, down across the

661
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: street at the end of the Sheraton. The only big

662
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: hotel you know, I was like the taj Mahal in

663
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: this little town. So across the bridge you take right now,

664
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: are you ever heard of the rko Orpheum? That's it

665
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: right there, because you got to what y'all got to remember,

666
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: Iowa is the rock and roll belt of the United States.

667
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: That's why the monsters of rock all of that stuff. Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.

668
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: That's why my cousin always gets jealous because I've seen

669
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: everybody growing up because that's where all the the cont

670
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: like Van Halen first, Van Halen album. I saw them

671
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: when they had the exact clothes that are on the

672
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: cover everything. I saw all of that Atlanta Rhythm section,

673
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: the Doobies when they had the Taking It to the

674
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: Streets album, lant Rhythm second, saw everybody, the cars, the

675
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: Thin Lizzie, they saw them all. And what what would

676
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: happen is a lot of big bands like Rush, let

677
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: us come in one time and watch them rehearse, because

678
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: they would come to the Rkoorphi and a lot of

679
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: bands would rent that and rehearse there for a month,

680
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: Like Rush rehearsed there for a month, And so you

681
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: need to come in because you know, you when you're

682
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: in the audience, That's when I kind of first got

683
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: the you know, you're in the audience, everything looks like

684
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: shining and then you get up there and this dude's

685
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: answer all knit and they wasn't as tall as you.

686
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: You know, it was my first time. Yeah, get into that.

687
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: But she's saying that Iowa was like mostly a starting point,

688
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: sort of like Michael Jackson's starting off in Kansas City

689
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: or something like, you're saying that Iowa was just a

690
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: starting but it was.

691
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: It was yet a lot of people you'd be surprised.

692
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: And then and then if you turned, if you went

693
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: across the Centinial Bridge right at that same you could

694
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: turn left this arka or from you turn this way.

695
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: The Call Ballroom. The Call Ballroom is where Zeppelin flew

696
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: in from Minneapolis. That's where Jimmy Page's Black Beauty got stolen.

697
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: And then the Sunburns Less Paul that you've seen him

698
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: play forever, that's where he bought it from. Joe Wash

699
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: was at the Call Ballroom. So it's like if you

700
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: go look at the and then they just released The

701
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: Hendricks at the Call Ballroom. And a guy that of

702
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: course was older, that was there. His name is Jerry Wetzel.

703
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: He told me everything had happened and that was a

704
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: thousand years ago in the seventies. He told me that

705
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: like seventy eight, seventy and I was a kid and

706
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: the music start listening to the stories. Everything he told me.

707
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: They just released it last year, late last year, the

708
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 3: Hendrix at the Call Ballroom. Everything he told me was

709
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: he said he came because the Call Ballroom doesn't have

710
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 3: a backstage, and it's a stage. The stage has covered

711
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: it cut into you so you can stand it went

712
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: in at the stage and go ques and it's like,

713
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: I'm like next to you. It's like, you know, back

714
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: then they built halls for real music, right, and so

715
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: everything he told me, he said, Hindricks went, he came

716
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: on stage, he caught walked through the audience with the

717
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: police because there's no backstage, so you have to come

718
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: through the audience. And I played there when my first

719
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: album was out, so I was like, you can't tell me,

720
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: so he said. He came up and he was like,

721
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, then he went, he said, oh, you're experiencing.

722
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: And he said when he started playing, he said, don't

723
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: know what happened, but I got I was like completely

724
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: out of it, but I was just able to see

725
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot of like that. And what ended up happening.

726
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: Every band that, even at the big Iowa Jams and

727
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: the Credit Credit Island concerts, with all the men they

728
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: stayed at that, they would come across the bridge they

729
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: at that Sheridan and they would come to the Yankee

730
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: Clipper and I would jam with all of them, Molly Hatchet,

731
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: everybody jam and they all said the same thing to me,

732
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: and I knew that's when I had to get my

733
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: ass out of there, and they would all, what are

734
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: you doing here? What are you doing here? And so

735
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: I didn't have money, you know, because when you're Midwest kid,

736
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: you think you gotta go to Hollywood, gotta go and

737
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: I had money to do that. So I they saved

738
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: up money for me too. I gotta get a bus

739
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: to in his far as I can go with Minneapolis.

740
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: But that's how I ended up there.

741
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 7: And so but nothing was there, you just like, that's

742
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 7: as far as I can go.

743
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 3: It was like I just knew I need to be somewhere,

744
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: and I knew nothing about many I didn't know, And

745
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, when I met Prince, I

746
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: didn't everybody. I just knew. He walked in the room

747
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: and he was like hey, and everybody changed, you know,

748
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 3: the dude six eight was four, what's walk? And everybody changed,

749
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: and I was like, dude, must be. And then the

750
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: funniest thing about why he even came over because he

751
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: was buying I had a little color TV and you

752
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: know them first VCRs. He came over to buy that

753
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: from me for three hundred dollars. And he had invited

754
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: me through Morris because the band and I joined Morse

755
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: day was the drummer in Enterprise, and I never played

756
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: a show with him because he and he invited me

757
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: to First Avenue. So I'm like, you know, I don't

758
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: know anybody and shit, so I'm like outside the club

759
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: and this girl just was just dropped it. Georgeous pulled me.

760
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: I must have looked lost and she just yanked me,

761
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: and I'd never forget her, Sandy, It's so beautiful. She

762
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: yanked me in the thing and like you just let

763
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: you know, just like I must look lost, I must

764
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: look like a tourist or something. And then I go

765
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: in and I watched Prince shows this is a Dirty Mind.

766
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: He's getting ready to leave for the Dirty Mind tour

767
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: and Moors so this is eighty eighty one. Okay, this

768
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: is the April eighty one. So he so I he

769
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: invited me to the show through Mors and I've never

770
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: met him yet or nothing, and so Morres said, hey,

771
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: he got your ticket.

772
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: Here, Da da da.

773
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: I go down the First Avenue, you know, see the show,

774
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 3: and I watched and I was like, this shit's amazing,

775
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: Da da da. And what Morris was the Morris was

776
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: a dude at the video at the soundboard videotape and

777
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 3: all the shows, and I didn't know at the time

778
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: that they had this whole thing going where, you know,

779
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: he had these He made some deal with Morris over

780
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: the party up song. And so the next day Princess

781
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: coming over to buy this thing and this is eighty one,

782
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: so it's three hundred dollars. I'm at the why so

783
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: that's like three million dollars, you know. So he comes

784
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: over and it was the only it was the last

785
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: time I ever sung with jeans on because he was like,

786
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: you know, it was the whole kind of punk thing.

787
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: He had the jeans on the thing that Quest has

788
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: on the rood boy. But then and all that and

789
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: this exact one exactly that came from the douction Dog Jamie.

790
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I gave up.

791
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: I set all that stuff up. I gave you. No, yes, no,

792
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: you don't understand it. D You haven't talked to D right, okay,

793
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you after the show. You gotta you

794
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: don't understand what's getting to happen.

795
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: Now, I gotta.

796
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 3: I gotta show you something. You're gonna lose your mind.

797
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Another house is this.

798
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you an inside thing so that

799
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: you will know what to grab when this I'm just

800
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take you to something.

801
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Get that VCR man. I went that board.

802
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: This is I just spent twenty because Jamie Sup is

803
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 3: a very very dear friend of mine, and I've always

804
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: been She's always been an absolutely dear person to me

805
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 3: because she was you never forget people that were nice

806
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 3: and generous and looked out for you when they didn't

807
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 3: have to, and you wasn't nothing on you wouldn't anything

808
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: on the bottom of the shoe. And she was that

809
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: way to me. Taught me. I mean, I every time

810
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: I go jack in at the airport, is that She's

811
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: the reason how to do that?

812
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: You know.

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: I went up to the when I was told my cousin.

814
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: I went up to the gate in LA yesterday and

815
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: I said, oh, can you I got in line and

816
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: the girl, so can you just check my boarding pass

817
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: to make sure I'm okay? And she said, why wouldn't

818
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: you be? And I was like, and I'm thinking myself,

819
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: and I can suck up anything. I've been at the

820
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: airport at the gate and missed the fly because I

821
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: just know, I yes, I just don't. I don't be

822
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: paying it in anything.

823
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 7: And you ain't have to.

824
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 3: And so I was just went up to the thing

825
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: and shoulder and now I'm gonna tell you how how

826
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: stupid it gets. I wanted to think and short to think.

827
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: She goes, why wouldn't you be? Yeah, you're fine. Why

828
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't you be okay? You know, pretty pretty sister. You know.

829
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: She's like, why wouldn't you be okay? And I was like,

830
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't say that, but I'm thinking, I said,

831
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: because I actually did say because I can mess up anything.

832
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: And she said, no, baby, you're good, You're good, You're good.

833
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: But when I went and sat down I told you

834
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: about I couldn't find my boarding. It was like the

835
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: code had inside pocket and I had put it in there,

836
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: and thought, I'm like, asking, have you seen a board?

837
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: That's how I'm telling you know, I'm a Gemini.

838
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 7: I'm gonna query. Come on, man, I'm.

839
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: Right now.

840
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: I can just you so be thinking you'd be thinking

841
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: about I don't know what everything, but I made I

842
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: already knew early in life. I made a point that

843
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: I would be good at a whole bunch of stuff,

844
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: but I know it would be great at one thing.

845
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 7: So and this life is a loted you at the

846
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 7: time that you don't have to know these things.

847
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: This is great for.

848
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: The most part. Thank god, I have a lot. I

849
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: mean for what I've accomplished. I never They's never been

850
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: a part of my dreams. I just wanted to be

851
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: around the corner playing guitar at some pub or something.

852
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: So what if accomplished You have no idea? Yeah, I

853
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: was going to say one, I have no idea any

854
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: of that.

855
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: Were there any other black people in You're Midwessex before

856
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: you got to Minnesota?

857
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: No, that had to say no, no, because that was

858
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 3: the whole thing that That's why I ended up playing

859
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: at that biker bar with the white cats. Because all

860
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: the brothers that I knew that were the top cats,

861
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: they had jobs because they wanted to have They had Lincolns,

862
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: got a lot and it and I would they would

863
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: give me whenever they came and pick me up for

864
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: the gig, get a job, get your card, and I

865
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: was like, you know, that wasn't my thing, and I

866
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: wanted to play with your an and your neck. I

867
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: would be first saying where I get a taxi? No,

868
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: they would pick me up, but they would gripe about

869
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: picking me, y'all. But the thing was that they worked

870
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: at uh. I mean that they made more money and

871
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: they worked at it. They worked as straight. So the

872
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: music thing was kind of a hobby where to me,

873
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: I wanted it to be six nights a week and

874
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: then you know, at the time, unfortunately, at that time,

875
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: it was like White Cats was the ones. It was

876
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: like they were working six seven nights a week. And

877
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I gotta go mess with these luggers because

878
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: these brothers wanted to have Lincolns and none of the

879
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: White Cats though, had lincolns. A catalyzed big shit. They

880
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: just love was like me, hey, hey, we're making ten

881
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: in eighty one. I think I had a ten thousand

882
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: dollars a year. You couldn't tell me I wasn't rich.

883
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 7: Well, your journey it sounds kind of like we had

884
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 7: Michael McDonald here too, who was also from Saint Louis.

885
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 7: And it is interesting because you mentioned the Doobie brothers

886
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 7: in Iowa. So I was like, damn, y'all had parallel

887
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 7: journeys going on, and then y'all did y'all ever cross paths?

888
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: And that's no.

889
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: He had just I think taken it to the Streets

890
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: was his first Doobie's record, right yeah, because the other

891
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: cat who really founded the Doobies with that, Tom Johnston,

892
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: he quit because he didn't like where it was gone

893
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: with the Michael McDonald's stuff. So no, I never I

894
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: never met him because I liked the other Doobie you know,

895
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: the Doobie Brothers, Old black Water and all that ship and.

896
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: That that I don't know whatever that was.

897
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: That's as much as I'm a plague. So you want

898
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: to so you I gotta just say this to you.

899
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: That was when I went when Prince came over. This

900
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: is how, this is how our relationship was founded. For

901
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: this is why we This is why I lived with him,

902
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: and we were cool up until I left, because he

903
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: came over to pick up that thing and he sat

904
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: down and and everybody changed and stuff. All of the

905
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: hardest brothers. Why you big? You know, we stole that

906
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: from another base player named Jeff mcgravey, But he was

907
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: the one. What are you big streets of San Francisco

908
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: knowles having, you know, that's where we got all that

909
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: hy you well, even he changed when Prince walked in. Everybody, Prince,

910
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: what's going on?

911
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: You know?

912
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: And king.

913
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: He came and sat out. He sat down, Yeah, black

914
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: leather jacket, and was like I said, last time, first

915
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: and only time I ever seen him with jeans on.

916
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 3: After that, he's been decked every since. He never heard it,

917
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: but he I set across from him, probably where that is,

918
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: and I said, hey, man, I saw you. Sure no,

919
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: he said. I said, hey man, I'm Jesse and he

920
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: said Prince. And I was like, whoa man? Because I

921
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: can't even do it as monotone. He would never think

922
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: he could sing his eyes off because he spoke it

923
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: was one note. Hey, how you doing. I can't even

924
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: do it? Yeah, you're doing It was just so low

925
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: and yes, And I just freaked out and I said, man,

926
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: I thought you was gonna go hi Maname is Prince

927
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 3: And he just kind of started laughing a little bit.

928
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 3: And Morris is standing more. The only person that really

929
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: remembers is Morris is standing where Princess sitting. Morris is

930
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: standing right here. Morris Day, That's who I know. I

931
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: don't I don't know who print says or nothing about

932
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: him or anything. So I just knew he must have

933
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: been somebody. He must have been. Like I saw the

934
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: show the night before, but I still didn't know anything

935
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: about because you know, how segregated the rock and.

936
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Roll so none of this hits.

937
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: None of his radio, yeah, none of the black rock

938
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: Island has no black radio.

939
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: Zero.

940
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: That's why I knew the Doobies and Zeppelin and everything

941
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: else like that, because there's no black radio. So when

942
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: he hit, you know, it was right towards the disco.

943
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: So I was fortunate enough to miss that whole discorder

944
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 3: because I was rock and roll thing. So he I said, yeah, man,

945
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: I saw your show. I said, think so invioted show.

946
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: I show you show. It was really cool, man, I

947
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: really dug it, So you really dig Hendrix Hunt. I

948
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: never watched him, and I stood up. I was like you,

949
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: I swear, I said, you lie. The every move and

950
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: more sustained behind him, and Prince looked at me and

951
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: he fell on the floor. Kh He fell on the floor,

952
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: just laughing his eyes up. And that was like that

953
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: was the relationship was we was never know you know.

954
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: So that's why when you would see me out in

955
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: LA during that whole you always see both of us

956
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: together all the time because I didn't have that oh man,

957
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: you know, because he we'd walk in the club and

958
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: chicks with be all on him and shit, and I

959
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: just go hang over here for a minute till you

960
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: was the cool and then we just hang out and

961
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: he's like, man, you know, when I walk in the

962
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: club with other people, I won't say that name. They

963
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't come near me to rest it. And I asked, mother,

964
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: fuck are your priends? I ain't nobody, you know. I

965
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: was never tripping like that because I remember after the

966
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine tour being so broke. But I never

967
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: equated his wealth or shit with what I should be

968
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: making because I knew that I'm broke. I'm in the time,

969
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: I got gold, platinum, broke as a mother like, I

970
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: ain't even pay attention. I'm so broke. But I knew

971
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: that that was his shit. You did what I'm saying,

972
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people don't realized that. Like somebody

973
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 3: just I saw somebody on Twitter and I couldn't bring

974
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 3: myself to just break the harbor. They said, oh, man,

975
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what the question was because I don't

976
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: really know how that shit works, but I just see

977
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: that reply and it said, oh my.

978
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: Favorite, without a doubt.

979
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: Seven seven.

980
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: You know, Jelly Bean on drum drums.

981
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: Jerry on bass, and I just I can't do it.

982
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, that's that's all, Prince. I hate to

983
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 3: tell you and David Geirbaldi on the program for it,

984
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: but you know you just, oh, I just got I

985
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: can't run nobody's dreams. I'm gonna be thinking that, but

986
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: that's what I mean. It was all his stuff. So

987
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: but I knew that, I knew within myself I had

988
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: talent because I'm I'm horrible when it comes to learning

989
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: songs off of records and ship like that. When you

990
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: when I met you for the first time with D's

991
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: thing in twenty twelve, I was like, and I was

992
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: telling you, dude, never played any music before, did I

993
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: didn't have a hand, and you know, creating and creating

994
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 3: this is just crazy. And plus you know d the

995
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: biggest thing, well for you would probably is normal, but

996
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: that is these timing. And he would tell me the

997
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: hours that you and him and that you and Peano

998
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: would argue him and go that ain't the one, and

999
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: he would and y'all he was telling me, he said

1000
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 3: a mirror Pino would be like that ain't the one.

1001
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: That ain't the one, but you know how he's one

1002
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: now his one is now a two or three or something.

1003
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Pick up.

1004
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 3: Yes, if you ain't, if you like, if you plan

1005
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: lady or something and you daydream for half a second,

1006
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: you gotta stop. And because his his whole. That's what's

1007
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: beautiful about his music though, because it's like, uh, it's

1008
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: the same thing with Prince, Like a lot of people

1009
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: always see him trying to figure out what Prince did

1010
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: on the keyboards and what they don't know. You ain't

1011
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 3: never figured that ship because he took the overheim a

1012
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: pedal board and until anything, and he just wants something

1013
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 3: that he never It is crazy. It was no rules

1014
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: to how he how he did anything. You know, he

1015
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: had a little bit of theory behind him, but it

1016
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: was all guttural. It was all instinct. It was just

1017
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: like you know, and that we related really and intellectually.

1018
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: We related to a great deal of stuff because the

1019
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: dude was like so smart, you know, I Q wise,

1020
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 3: he was really really smart dude. But I learned records,

1021
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: how to make records. I had never been in a

1022
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: studio till I met him, So I learned how to

1023
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: make a record, Like how Chris Moon taught him. That's

1024
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: how I learned.

1025
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Were you there at the infamous uh Perkins restaurant uh dinner?

1026
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: I hate to break it to you, my man, it

1027
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 3: wasn't Perkins. I'm gonna take you back Sambos. Y'all don't

1028
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: remember Sambos. Get you a Sambos Burger. Yes, it was

1029
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: called We had Minneapolis had the last standing Sambos on

1030
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: Lake Street. That ship wasn't no Perkins. That was a

1031
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: Sambos on Lake Street. And I remember Morrise and I

1032
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: rode motorcycles and shit together, so that Morris was going

1033
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: to the meeting with because the way the time actually

1034
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: came together was nothing like all this stuff that people

1035
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 3: make up and say, and it wasn't anything like that.

1036
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: The time was Morse day and I. If you see

1037
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: the assetate which I owned today, it says the Nerve. Oh,

1038
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: I remember that, And it's just Morse and I and

1039
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: what we were. We were gonna be the Blackhall and Oats.

1040
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: So it's the album that y'all know. We'd get it

1041
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: up cool, all of that, but it was just Morrise

1042
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: and I.

1043
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be called the Nerve.

1044
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: It was the Nerve. And so when Prince went to

1045
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: used the name, but it was owned by some people.

1046
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: But Dick This though, catch This though the Time was

1047
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: owned forever until nineteen. He didn't buy the name until

1048
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: ninety seven.

1049
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: He leased the name.

1050
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: It was owned by two white cats in North Carolina somewhere.

1051
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: They owned it all those years. He's just leasing it, really, yeah,

1052
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: And then he bought the rights. When I knew the

1053
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 3: rights was up, I was on the phone with Terry.

1054
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: That's why I remember. I had just moved to Awatuki, Arizona,

1055
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: from Minneapolis, and I remember being on the phone with Terry.

1056
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: It was like ninety seven because I just dropped that

1057
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: bear on my neck and sole thing and and I

1058
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: was like, man, just by the by that, you know

1059
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: it's and he was and then print A bought it,

1060
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: damn exactly. So he but it was like we didn't

1061
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: own them. But but then that all the flight time

1062
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: thing and all that stuff, how people try to tell

1063
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: it didn't come together like that. It was just at

1064
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: the last minute because Prince was on a dirty mind

1065
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: tour and so Morris when he left, he had you know,

1066
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: laugh row and jeans. I never saw him look like

1067
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: that again when he came back. He was a totally

1068
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: different cat.

1069
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh so he was afro, not feathered.

1070
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: No, he came back from the Dirty Mine tour and

1071
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: the album that you know was they have that album. Okay,

1072
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: the first album was called the Time, it was called

1073
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 3: The Nerve. But when he came back and the Prince

1074
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: would call me and sold this girl that I lived

1075
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: with at the time, she they would answer the phone.

1076
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 3: You know, I was standing at the cribs. She would

1077
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: answer the phone and it's Prince Jesse there. And they

1078
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 3: would earn her friends were freeing.

1079
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: They'd be.

1080
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: On the phone and they would go and her friends like,

1081
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: who is here? And she would always and this is

1082
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: a true, honest, I got a story stack of bibles.

1083
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: He would go, what did you come here for?

1084
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 5: Us?

1085
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: Second?

1086
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be famous. She would laugh so hard. Oh

1087
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: my god, she'd fall on the floor crying. And that

1088
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: should have been a sign I didn't pay attention. Story shirt.

1089
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 3: But yeah, he would call and say, stay there, stay there,

1090
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: stay in Minneapolis, stay in Minneapolis, stay, don't leave, don't leave.

1091
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna get your car. Like I was just gonna.

1092
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: I was just and that the fucking starving to death

1093
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: in minis because we would play a weekend. Man, Sue

1094
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: Anne talk about that. So we play a weekend and

1095
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: make thirty five dollars. You remember them days you make

1096
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: you in heaven. It was like we would go to

1097
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: white and White Castle was like like La. Like there

1098
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: was a time in La that I'd be at the

1099
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 3: studio and then you see the White Castle here and

1100
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: you would see a purple pink Bentley, so what the

1101
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: Paris Hilton would be in line. It was like that

1102
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: kind of how in an out burger. But White Castle

1103
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: was that back in the day on Lake Street. So

1104
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: we after the club's closed, Prince everybody was in that ship.

1105
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: It was like that because it was the joint. It

1106
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: was like the joint, so we were all you know,

1107
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: it was a joint. So thirty five dollars was like

1108
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: we get some White Castle. You know, you can take

1109
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: about five and get about thirty White Castle and exactly.

1110
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: So he would call and say, don't leave, stay there.

1111
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do that,

1112
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 3: and we go to this and we're going. I said,

1113
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm a car. We're gonna get your car, which he

1114
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 3: never did, but in a way they later on it did,

1115
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: but didn't have no air in it, so fuck. But

1116
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: I had a great stereo. I think I told that

1117
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: story online about the jungle of song. I would play

1118
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: him songs and he would let, oh my god, he go, Morse,

1119
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: you gotta hear this, and Neat and Morris and Jimmy

1120
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: jam are the only two people I know when they cried,

1121
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: they tears start, they they literally are quiet. And he

1122
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: kept doing that. But most people you know and be like,

1123
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: oh man, ain't playing nothing, but I didn't. I just

1124
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: kept playing songs for him till one day. I it

1125
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: was after acting class, before we started preparaying. I said, hey, man,

1126
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: I want to play you something. So he I want

1127
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: to go listen to it in his car because he

1128
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: got air. This is somethinger my car, no air, one

1129
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty degrees. He goes. But I had the

1130
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: stereo over everybody. I had the bomping shit over. So

1131
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: he's listening to it in your car. And I was

1132
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 3: trying to give him the cassette so he could listen

1133
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: to it later. And it was right after acting class.

1134
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: Caught me cool, let's just listen to it now, and

1135
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, ship you know, laughing at So it

1136
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 3: was a jungle up, you know, exactly as you know it. Yeah,

1137
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: I put it on the thing because I get sick

1138
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: of motherfucker's telling me your boy said that in Billboard,

1139
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: Nelson George. So when I met him the first time

1140
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: here in New York on the island, it was a

1141
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: press release party for my first record, and he was

1142
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: and his name was on a card and I was

1143
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: looking this way, and the girl was with wit said,

1144
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: ain't that the guy in Billboard that said this is.

1145
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: What I said?

1146
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: This is honest. I got to I said, yo, man, hey, bro,

1147
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: then do you really think you're gonna sit here on

1148
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: my ship? And he made him leave.

1149
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 6: Wow can you.

1150
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 7: In the article?

1151
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: He said, Uh, it was really it was really dispepful.

1152
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: He said, I didn't probably didn't write ship and the

1153
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: princess probably put my name on it for the blah

1154
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. You just don't say that unless

1155
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: you talk to the people, because you back in the day,

1156
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: he had an article in Billboard, had a little picture

1157
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: of him. Yeah, but I didn't little blur really remember it,

1158
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: like I mean, I remember reading the article, but the

1159
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: girl remembered the face and I was like this, I

1160
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: was a remembering it was someplace here and it was

1161
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: like a really popular Chinese place because they had brought squab,

1162
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: which I didn't know was pigeons.

1163
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Mister, No, it was it was before that. Yeah, Nelson

1164
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: looked like twenty one Jump Street. And also but I

1165
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: did what was the sergeant's name? I can't remember.

1166
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: I was just telling Deanna today. I was like, damn,

1167
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: you know me, I was always a never industry cat,

1168
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: but an industreet's cat. And I said so, I didn't.

1169
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 7: Because Prince wasn't even that dude though, right Like, he

1170
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 7: wasn't mean not for nothing. I ain't gonna say not

1171
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 7: that nice. But he wasn't the one that just throws

1172
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 7: somebody's name on a song that they had nothing to

1173
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 7: do with it.

1174
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a nice No, he was. No, it wasn't

1175
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: a nice thing. It was like it wasn't known there

1176
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: on the publishing.

1177
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Record. I even wanted to make it seem like he

1178
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: did everything.

1179
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: But my I don't even think Jungle Love said my

1180
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: name on the record.

1181
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: Though I think it did. You know why?

1182
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: I thought, No, I'm gonna blow y'all away. I'm a

1183
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 3: blow I got a piece of something I ain't never

1184
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: seen I have. You know, back in the day when

1185
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: you would do a record, they do all the artwork

1186
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: for you album, you know, you know me. They then

1187
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: they send you the record and you have to look

1188
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: at the and look at all the writing. Well, I

1189
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: have that in the very for the ice Cream Castle album.

1190
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm produced by Jamie Starr, co produced by Jesse Johnson.

1191
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: And the same thing with it. If you got the

1192
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: first pressing of the Sheila E record, the first ChIL

1193
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: records exactly and now and then after that there, No,

1194
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: it came off. It came out years ago. It came

1195
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: off years ago because he was Prince was vindictive when

1196
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: you left him, and it was real bullshit because I stayed,

1197
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I was just telling Ingrid today.

1198
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: When I left after finishing Purple Rain and all that,

1199
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: my check was like three hundred and thirty dollars. I

1200
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't make it though, And this is my question, and

1201
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: I got kids, I got so you so as far

1202
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: as dedication and all that place.

1203
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hang.

1204
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: On, Yes, three hundred and thirty nine dollars, bro.

1205
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: Wait, am I sitting in the room Ingrishavez.

1206
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 7: Don't cheesecake, you said, no, she touch cheesecakes, pie, talked

1207
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 7: about the three kids like he's got the mic. We

1208
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 7: put the whole chair in answer, she with.

1209
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: High I'm Ingrid seven, you said, Ingrid, And I was like,

1210
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and I put my glasses on.

1211
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 7: Like.

1212
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think that was one of the things that

1213
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: she was so nice that she's an hour into this

1214
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: interview not knowing that you've been sitting.

1215
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: At the same freaking time and hello, how are you? Yeah?

1216
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I could. I can't touch the cheesecake because I've been

1217
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: sugar free for thirty six days.

1218
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 3: There you go.

1219
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 9: Came on the way from Minneapolis for you today.

1220
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: That's right, so I have to break it. Just yes,

1221
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: I want to.

1222
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 9: Say I'm Aquarius as well.

1223
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 5: You know what I was saying.

1224
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 7: We're kind of all over the place sometimes, are you

1225
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 7: just make sure are February of January?

1226
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, twentieth twenty first we're all together. Wait, this

1227
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: is freaking me out because I didn't know that was

1228
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: ingrish Chaves.

1229
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I was like on this. I met

1230
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: her on the set of I said I would never

1231
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: be there, I would never go I never went to Paisley,

1232
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: I said, I never go there and never go down

1233
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: to paid to be in it, and so I got

1234
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: paid for a week Grafita Vision. I barely made it

1235
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: three days and we got into it and I had

1236
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 3: to leave.

1237
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Wait all the shooting was just three days?

1238
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: No, I yeah, my shooting yeah for whatever I'm in

1239
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: the movie was three days because I it was it

1240
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: was like all this time when by from Purple Rain

1241
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: to now and I hadn't seen you know, like Prince

1242
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: would call me up with and play he was. I

1243
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: was telling my cousin they had a weird sense of humor,

1244
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Like he called me up long after that's gone. I

1245
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: think my first album was about the Dropper what I

1246
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: can't remember? But he call you. I mentioned a song

1247
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: today and I was like, you know, and he would

1248
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: and he was always like he could call you and

1249
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: you and it and I'm like real, So I go, man,

1250
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 3: you get this number and he and henores, but he

1251
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: ignores that. And I mentioned this song today and I go,

1252
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: what do you talk about? Raspberry Beret? And click good,

1253
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: Clay hangs up. It was I gonna listen to the song.

1254
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 3: And I had moved the opposite of everybody. So I'm

1255
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: in this area called Blaine. It was nothing out there

1256
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: but cows and shit me so.

1257
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: Old man Johnson's farm exactly so.

1258
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: And then the other one was I mentioned I wrote

1259
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: a song about you, and I was like, I didn't

1260
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: know what. At the time, I was living in Paris

1261
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 3: and I we had Chris crossed a lot and I

1262
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: was like, eighty nine, maybe that wasn't wrote a song

1263
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: about you. Send me this tape, Bob George, I'm.

1264
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 7: Like, mother forgot that day.

1265
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: Wait, you know that's a part of the song that's

1266
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 3: got a gun all that ship. He that's his sense

1267
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: of humor. So I had to call it, Yeah, that's

1268
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: that's funny. But we would there's things that we would like,

1269
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: can you.

1270
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Explain the references? Bob? How is that about you? How

1271
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: is that cop you? Or the dude?

1272
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 3: The dude when he goes can we just dance or whatever?

1273
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. But he because his nickname

1274
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: for me for I was here comes Jesse, I'm okay

1275
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: Johnson because you know it was the tie. We was

1276
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: just some street dudes. And so whenever we would run

1277
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 3: into stuff and I would get that, I would get

1278
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: called all the time. I'd be a we've been an

1279
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 3: in store signing, and then some girl you're gonna be

1280
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: like bitch, you know, and I would just like, you

1281
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: know what, twenty twenty year old, you don't you don't

1282
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: you know you just like you're fighting. You don't care

1283
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 3: because I come from you, Saint Louis. Were girls girls

1284
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: kick your ass. It ain't like it ain't like how

1285
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: it is now.

1286
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: You were.

1287
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 3: I grew up going to school good as girl. You

1288
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: like me, don't you. This girl used to sit behind me, batty,

1289
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 3: and you're my boyfriend. And she was a twin too.

1290
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: She was a twin and her brother, just to describe him,

1291
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 3: they looked just alike. His nickname was Big Fake. So

1292
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to fuck with So. I used to

1293
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 3: be terrified at this girl. But I'd seen girls just

1294
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: beat MoMA and now so so. But it would we

1295
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 3: be in an in store, you know, at a full

1296
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,479
Speaker 3: in store, and then I signed something. I didn't act

1297
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: funny or nothing, but I signed something this girl be

1298
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: like and I just immediately I just bet you what

1299
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 3: you beat you Withn't that nigga you're with you? It

1300
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: would happen in hotels, and I would, you know, because

1301
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 3: we would go up come back from the show and

1302
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: go up to our room and get changed, and she'd

1303
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: come down and lobby and for like the nineteen ninety

1304
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: nine tour, can never meet anybody, you know, would be

1305
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 3: on my arm. What vanity and we were like best friends,

1306
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: So she'd come down on my arm like because she

1307
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: was all the perfect man. No, she's a perfect, complete

1308
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: killer blocker. Because girls would come up to me, you

1309
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: can have and she wasn't you know. We were like

1310
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: brother and sister. Well, our relationship to the day she died,

1311
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: she was we were super tight. It's like on me

1312
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: and Jamie and and and she would be the whole.

1313
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: She had been all over the world and seen in

1314
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: places we had never been. So when she came out

1315
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: on tour and was seeing this stuff for the first time,

1316
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: she was like completely really enthusiastic and excited about it

1317
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 3: because she had she'd been you know, modeling and been

1318
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 3: all over the place, but she had never experienced adelation

1319
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: like that before. And so when we'd go in the lobby,

1320
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 3: we'd go up and get changed and then we get rid.

1321
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: I try to sneak by doors. Never gonna get it's like.

1322
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: And she'd be on your arm, literally girls, and then

1323
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: she would point you out, how y'all do women? Y'all see,

1324
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 3: y'all see stuff we don't see. You'd be like, oh,

1325
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: she's fun, look at her nails, look at everybody you

1326
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: don't even see. You don't even.

1327
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 7: Care, you're like that.

1328
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: That's what she would say, stuff like she's not even

1329
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 3: pretty territorial pes, It's like, what do you do?

1330
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: You know?

1331
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 3: So that And I could never say to her, no,

1332
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, because she was like, we guarded them, you know,

1333
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: her Susan, We were like that. I was like their

1334
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: big brother, because Susan to this day, if you talk

1335
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 3: about Susan, you talk to Susan Mooncie, she'll tell you

1336
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 3: how how often her and Prince were together. And I

1337
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: was always with them, And she said, she remembers me

1338
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: looking at my watch at hey, where do you gotta go?

1339
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 3: You know, in Minneapolis, you know it's like ninety below,

1340
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: there's this much snow. So when you would go way

1341
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: out to Chanhassan, where Prince live, you pack a suit

1342
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 3: case because you wasn't trying.

1343
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I would.

1344
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 3: I had never lived in a city with freeways before.

1345
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: So Rock Island is that little, It's that small. So

1346
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: when I came to Minneapolis driving, it was like you

1347
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: would see where you needed to be and you couldn't

1348
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 3: get to it, and I would. I would, just I'm

1349
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 3: telling you honestly, God, it was like scared shareless. It

1350
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 3: was like so big and intimidating for years to me

1351
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 3: and I can imagine, yeah, but but now I got

1352
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: GPS that ship because I'd be daydreaming, you know, and

1353
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: that's where listening to music in my car and I'm

1354
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: because I was telling ingrid earlier. I've been all over

1355
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 3: the world with no cell phone or or pager, you

1356
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: know we used to. Now people can't even on my phone.

1357
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 1: Batteries start you gotta charge.

1358
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: You know, I start paying where I'm like, I my

1359
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: cousin the slash managers always mad at me because I'm

1360
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: always turning all my ship off.

1361
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. So we went to Minneapolis for

1362
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: the super and it's like, thank God for GPS because

1363
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out I mean, even me

1364
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: driving all you know, I did the whole tour of

1365
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:15,560
Speaker 1: Minneapolis and all that stuff, like even with GPS and security,

1366
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: like I still felt like I just try to imagine

1367
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: what was it to drive forty years ago, thirty years ago?

1368
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: And and if your people and if you're you know,

1369
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: he always seems like he's in thought, always thinking about

1370
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: music or something music relate, and if your people watcher too.

1371
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: In Minneapolis is a really beautiful city. It's like it's

1372
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 3: so clean, you go, oh my god. And it's even

1373
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 3: most cities like go see the sky or whatever. But

1374
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: so when I yeah, it's I I'll kill somebody if

1375
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 3: I don't have GPS to just say, dude, turn right here.

1376
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 3: And I don't know if y'all know ways, but ways

1377
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: unless you know your own voice in it?

1378
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 7: Yeah you know that?

1379
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: No, No, they added that. So I mean I going

1380
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 3: there and all my ship fool, what are you? I

1381
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: purposely it's so excellent you will ride with me?

1382
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 9: Then?

1383
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 3: Mother fuck you just miss motherfucker. I got all of

1384
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 3: my daughter by the fourteen year olds. She is in

1385
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 3: the car dying right because it's like, dude, really, I

1386
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: told you, I put on my own but no, going

1387
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: back to what we were doing Graffiti Bridge and I

1388
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: met Ingrid the first time I remember talking to because

1389
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 3: she has she has this heaviness tour. Even even back

1390
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: then as a young lady, she just had this heaviness

1391
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 3: tour like she her mind always looked like she was

1392
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 3: in thought, like she was some she. I always took

1393
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: it like she really a member. I always told you

1394
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: that my cousin was like she always so like she

1395
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: wasn't in none of it. I thought I was bad.

1396
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 3: I was just out there going ship over with Yeah,

1397
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 3: but it was all that time passed and it was

1398
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing was happening. And so if

1399
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: that easily boor g thedn't how bad were the rehearsals,

1400
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 3: because I know that, like you guys were one of

1401
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 3: the tightest but musical.

1402
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: Here's that.

1403
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: I came up like that whole lot of all that

1404
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: stuff because I grew up with the James Bound thing

1405
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: and all that, so all of that when I was

1406
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 3: doing all that horn stuff, all of that stuff, I

1407
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: was like all the horn parts. I was coming up

1408
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 3: with a lot of those arrangements and a lot of

1409
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: the steps because I played guitar, and so when somebody

1410
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: else would try to come up to I'm like, yeah,

1411
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this shit because I can't sing and

1412
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: play and do all that dumb shit at the same time.

1413
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 3: So as a when you're playing and somebody, oh, I

1414
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 3: get this stuff, it's like, yeah, but you're not playing nothing,

1415
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: so I'm not even paying attention to that. So I

1416
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 3: would come up with a lot of cara fee because

1417
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: I knew that it would be simple, like if we

1418
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: were just doing this or something, a simple move like that,

1419
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 3: but if you got three cats doing it tight.

1420
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: It looks really cool.

1421
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: And if the whole stage is going, I knew that,

1422
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 3: So I would come up with a lot of the

1423
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: choriography and like we would do the chili sauce across

1424
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 3: the stage. Came with all that ship and so we

1425
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 3: do it around so you could play and then you

1426
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: work so hard on it that rehearsal because you would

1427
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 3: want it to be where you didn't think about nothing.

1428
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: Because the singing play at the same time an instrument,

1429
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: there's a middle brain you gotta find. So when people

1430
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 3: go how do you do that? You as you know,

1431
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 3: you can't think about one or the other. But he

1432
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 3: be playing drums, he'd be playing drums and singing and

1433
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 3: he'd be talking at.

1434
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: The same time. So he sandwich man.

1435
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 3: I saw him as a session murdering and he was

1436
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: eating something and I'm like, and he kept going he

1437
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 3: was and then he was doing and then he would

1438
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: switch off credit and I was like, that's a bad dude,

1439
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 3: But he knows that it's a middle brain. If you

1440
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: think about one or the other, you're gonna mess up.

1441
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 3: So it's a place I think right, left, right, I

1442
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: mess up. Yeah, it's like you, but you got to

1443
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 3: a place that doesn't exist. It's just like an inner

1444
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: blank space and you can almost see yourself in front

1445
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 3: of you doing with you, but you know you. But

1446
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 3: if you think about singing, or if you think about plant,

1447
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna mess out.

1448
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: When Jones calls it the alpha state, yeah, where you

1449
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: just don't don't think about it, do it.

1450
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 7: So we're gonna get in a whole graffiti Bridge chapter

1451
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 7: because I, well.

1452
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a lot Ingrid.

1453
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 3: I that's when I met Ingrid on the side, and

1454
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 3: I forget who introduced me to it, but I didn't.

1455
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: I just asked her today did she ever live in Minneapolis?

1456
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 3: Because I didn't think she was from Minneapolis or even

1457
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 3: live there. She says she lived at twelve years but

1458
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: I never thought that. But she heard her baby was like,

1459
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: he wasn't that old. He was like, what eight months

1460
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: or was he older than that? But he but I

1461
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 3: knew she had and I just adore kids. So my

1462
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: kids were kids then at the point in time too.

1463
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: I think her son and my daughter, the Isabella is

1464
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: around the same age. But I was talking about that.

1465
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 3: But she was talking to me, and she was really

1466
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: super nice. But I'm standing next to her and I'm

1467
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 3: facing her, but she rarely ever did that. She would

1468
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: occasionally did her but she would talk and have a

1469
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 3: full till conversation with you, but she wasn't She was

1470
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: really nice, but I was like, Okay, maybe I'm bucking

1471
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 3: her and talking about stuff. And then eventually I walked away.

1472
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm on stage shooting now a scene, and then I

1473
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 3: watched Prince walk over to her and she does the

1474
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: same thing. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So tell.

1475
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 7: The people, what were you think? You're angry?

1476
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: What was going?

1477
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 9: Well, let's see, I had met Prince a few years earlier,

1478
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 9: so I had made this record with him that hadn't

1479
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 9: been released, and so this is a few years later,

1480
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 9: and so when I got back into this scene, I

1481
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 9: was kind of over it. So I knew I was

1482
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 9: right a little bit of a you know, like, Okay,

1483
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 9: I'm gonna do this movie.

1484
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 3: But you know she's like, y'all since you're here, y'all, No,

1485
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: she really you saw it all over her? Have I

1486
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 3: not told you that? I told my cousin and I

1487
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 3: was like, going. She she wasn't impressed by not, not

1488
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 3: nothing that any of us was doing.

1489
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: Can I ask a side question? This is this is

1490
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: a side detour, but I think Bill and I at

1491
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: least would like to know what was said to him.

1492
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh what did you say to him that made him

1493
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: canceled cancel the Black album?

1494
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 9: I didn't say anything to him. I think he was

1495
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 9: looking for a signed you know. And yeah, you know,

1496
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 9: so it wasn't a conversation. It was because he didn't

1497
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 9: talk to me about it. I had no idea about

1498
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 9: this Black album or anything that was going on in

1499
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 9: his head that night.

1500
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 3: He just had this.

1501
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 7: He was on this.

1502
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 9: He had these questions in his heart and his mind,

1503
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 9: I think, and the night that I met him, he

1504
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 9: felt like there was a sign.

1505
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, the sign was don't put out that ship

1506
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: to said the only good rappers are dead rapper and

1507
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 3: do what you normally do put that ship on the

1508
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 3: time album. Let us be for motherfuckers, let us let

1509
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: the tie, let me more sent terry beef with motherfuckers.

1510
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: Shipped to do it, because like when that ship said

1511
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 3: we don't like New Wave, ain't none of them. I

1512
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 3: don't that ain't me on there. That's all Prince voice

1513
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: that I know. But you that ship was, ain't that

1514
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: Andre we don't like New Way and that ship ain't

1515
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: got nothing. I gotta go boxing, petty, But I gotta

1516
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 3: go box with motherfuckers now. And I ain't got nothing

1517
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: to do with that ship on that record.

1518
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: But that's no.

1519
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 6: At this point, he had just left right now, he

1520
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 6: that left, Yo, I never put you into neither, but that.

1521
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: I heard that when you heard it. Okay the record again.

1522
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: In my mind, I don't like me.

1523
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: Wait, I ain't on none of that.

1524
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm damn he's being petty.

1525
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 3: I'm not getting shot or some ship out in there, you.

1526
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 6: Know, because even someone had an album out around the

1527
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 6: same time called Living in the New Wave.

1528
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 3: That was his whole that was his whole thing, His

1529
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 3: whole thing was.

1530
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm thinking, like, well, is he talking

1531
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: about the Talking Heads or right I think.

1532
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: Like the actual legit and new wave and but legit.

1533
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 3: That was the whole thing about legit new wave band.

1534
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 3: They didn't call themselves that did, know what I'm saying.

1535
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: It was just press was calling him that. But so

1536
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 3: you never said that he was bucking the shot at Andrea?

1537
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 7: And was he ever nice to anybody who heard.

1538
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 3: He was he was? I don't know was he ever nice.

1539
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 7: To anybody who left?

1540
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 9: I think that when I left, my record got dropped.

1541
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 3: I mean, just like he was vindictive on this ship.

1542
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 3: And then John when I played there December, When was

1543
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 3: that December seventeen, twenty seventeen, John, what's his name? John?

1544
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 3: You know the John John Ringos. Well, you know, he

1545
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 3: was always fiercely he was like he was always fiercely competitive.

1546
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm like that shit ain't fiercely competitive.

1547
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: That's some bullshit.

1548
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 3: He did a lot of when I left, he did

1549
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that people just don't know, Like

1550
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 3: the whole Shocadelica thing. I I think it's whole. We were,

1551
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god. We used to ride around LA with

1552
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 3: the member of the Garbage cam back Seville. The catall

1553
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 3: like to be with the gar We prints the room

1554
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 3: we'd had the biggest hat song could barely fit in

1555
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: the car. It was like something from Amoa, Get You

1556
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 3: Suck Leaning. He was leaning his way. I'd be leaning

1557
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 3: and we would and there's a riot going on. Was

1558
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: our bible, was our bible. It was like day in,

1559
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: day out. That's and so when I got the opportunity,

1560
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 3: which didn't have anything to do with me, John McClain

1561
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: put the whole thing together. Because John McClain, I was

1562
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 3: always always recorded in Minneapolis, so I wouldn't be in

1563
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 3: LA because I didn't want record people coming over. And

1564
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: there's this thing I never I didn't have budgets when

1565
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: I recorded. I recorded on what it's called the fun

1566
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: because when I signed with the label, I knew enough

1567
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 3: by then, because I was broken enough and had got

1568
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 3: you know whatever initiated. Let's just say that I knew

1569
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 3: how to do yes exactly, how to least construct a deal.

1570
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: And so when I did, I signed as a production

1571
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 3: company that as Jesse Johnson. So that's why I could go.

1572
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 3: If you look at that period, I'm on all kinds

1573
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 3: of stuff, doing everything everywhere. But when I so, John

1574
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 3: was my an R guy. John McClain was my in

1575
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: our guy, and he signed me, so the only artists

1576
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: I think i'd sign at that point in time. But

1577
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 3: he would fly in when I say I'm done. You

1578
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: know I'm mixed, I'm done, and so he would say,

1579
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 3: he said, okay, man, he said, you got a nice record,

1580
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 3: and I'll play me shit you don't like. And one

1581
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: of the songs I crazy was in the songs I

1582
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 3: didn't like?

1583
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: Why do you specifically ask you for what you don't.

1584
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: Because he knew that I would because the way he

1585
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 3: set it up for me to record, because I was

1586
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 3: recording on a fun and not on pos nobody knows

1587
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: what I'm recording. So when you're going to record an

1588
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 3: eight song album, he knows I'm gonna record twenty songs,

1589
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 3: a billion songs. And so he would go, okay, yeah,

1590
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 3: I play the song, and yeah, a nice record here.

1591
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 3: Now play me the shit you don't like. And one

1592
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 3: of the songs I played and was crazy and he's.

1593
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 10: That's a hit, Daddy's I'm gonna take that to La.

1594
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put slide on there. And I couldn't picture it.

1595
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I was like, what hem ma, man? He

1596
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 3: was like, and I couldn't picture it. I couldn't picture it,

1597
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 3: and he was like, so he did that whole thing

1598
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with me. I didn't see Sly

1599
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 3: until I went to LA to do the video for Crazy,

1600
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 3: and that's.

1601
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: When we recorded his parts Away from You.

1602
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 3: A guy named Billy Valentine got all the vocals and

1603
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: everything on Sly in La. He did all of that

1604
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 3: and Sly, I guess when he's you know, Slye was

1605
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 3: the pioneer of that slowing the tape down and singing

1606
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: if you won't man this day, that's where that sound

1607
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: comes from it and so I get upset if I

1608
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 3: do it now.

1609
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: People.

1610
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: It was like, Prince, it's the funk out of here.

1611
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: It's like I was.

1612
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: Sly was the inventor of so much of that ship

1613
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 3: and so uh that Prince he he took that really

1614
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: in a weird way, and it was uh and uh

1615
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 3: this last thing. I had a celebration in Minneapolis and

1616
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 3: some psychic lady said, you know, Prince loves you or

1617
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 3: something sent the message saying that or whatever. Bet they

1618
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: had a psychic reader at or somebody said, I get

1619
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 3: that a lot. But he called me when we were

1620
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 3: in when I was saying some stuff with that something

1621
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: was not right, and I was in a I was

1622
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 3: in for eleven day's rehearsal with D in New Zealand,

1623
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 3: and then we went to the Gold Coast Byron Bay

1624
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 3: to the festival. And when I was there, we had

1625
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 3: got their day off and then we played. And the

1626
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 3: first day we played, when I came back to the room,

1627
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 3: because I don't take any of my I don't take

1628
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 3: phones or anything with me. I leave everything at the

1629
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: hotel and I don't take anything because motherfuckers be stealing.

1630
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 3: So I leave everything at the hotel and completely disconnected

1631
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 3: and kind of want need that anyway. But when I

1632
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 3: got back, he there was a girl that I can't say.

1633
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,759
Speaker 3: Her name is an unusual name, but she uh worked

1634
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: for him. So she's like, oh, Prince wanted to talk

1635
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: to you, has something for me. And I haven't talked

1636
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: to Prince in a thousand years. So he's like, you

1637
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 3: wanted to he has something for you and he wanted

1638
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 3: to tell you. And he's like, you know you need

1639
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 3: to do you need to you know this is her

1640
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 3: message and you know Google transcribes, yeah, the message And

1641
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 3: the only person I ever played the message for was

1642
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 3: D and he said, you know, you need to do Jesse.

1643
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 3: These other people you're dealing with there, they want to

1644
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 3: be you, they want to be me, or they want

1645
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 3: to be Morris and they you know, he said all

1646
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 3: this stuff like that beneath you, and you know, I

1647
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 3: don't know who he was really talking about. And the

1648
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: only person ever played it for was D and he

1649
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 3: was like, who do you think he's on?

1650
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, I know, but I.

1651
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: Don't know anyway. But then you know, everybody knows Prince.

1652
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 3: You know, you call the number and it's like a burner,

1653
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's like doesn't exist now, number back, But

1654
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 3: it's never self destructive exactly. And so that was the

1655
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: last thing I had.

1656
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: Interaction with him, and that was God.

1657
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: Was that seventeen sixteen? Yeah, twenty sixteen. We were there

1658
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 3: because Karina was there too. She's you know, you know Corina,

1659
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: She's in a documentary, so she was there too. But yeah,

1660
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: the only person I played that show for was D.

1661
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 7: But uh, we should say to D is D'Angelo for

1662
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 7: all the listeners because I don't know they might.

1663
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, wait, okay, we this is

1664
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: the most jumping ahead of time. We got to go

1665
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Yeah, we gotta go back a

1666
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: lot of it because I want to hear at least okay,

1667
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: So when you at least developed the first record.

1668
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 3: He well, the fly thing really messed him up. Because

1669
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 3: the thing about it with Prince, I learned a lot

1670
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: every almost everything I learned about when I got under time,

1671
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: Like he, I wasn't afraid to do anything like you

1672
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, we would we like people. They were trying

1673
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 3: to look like girls, but we were who he was

1674
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: trying to really look like was little Richard because you know,

1675
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 3: if you look at the photos, little Richard, he was

1676
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 3: pretty as fuck, right, And so you know, in principal

1677
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: you got to do this and you you know, put

1678
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 3: the because I never wore makeup or had foundation on

1679
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 3: our island. But he was like whatever, you know he was.

1680
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: He just like knew that. I was like fearless as well.

1681
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: And then when you fearless like that, it helps that

1682
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 3: you have somebody alongside with you that thinks like minded.

1683
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 3: They ain't just like, ain't no tripping, they don't trip

1684
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: about the ship, you know, and people was like, man,

1685
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 3: I think that goes gay. And I'd be like you,

1686
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: but I hope you gay like he gay. Then only

1687
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 3: maybe a proctologist might see more crack, like whatever, what

1688
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 3: the fuck? Whatever fuck out here with that bullshit. But

1689
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 3: they would always say that about me. But see, James

1690
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 3: Brown told me, when they start calling you, that's when

1691
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: you know you made it, you know, because when that

1692
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 3: comes from the man they were. You remember as a

1693
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 3: kid it was like James and Bobby Birds getting married

1694
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: and crazy. And so when the signs were made the

1695
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: first game, then you start getting shoot a lot you

1696
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: grew up, yeah, or your sister like in my case,

1697
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 3: was like threatening to cause you and once money, or

1698
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 3: she's putting out a story of a lot. Wow, wow,

1699
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 3: really yeah, I just know I told you all to day,

1700
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 3: I said, I saw the episode of Say Yes to

1701
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 3: the Dress. I just told him yes. Then she said,

1702
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 3: but yeah no. But but going back to the Black album,

1703
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 3: I just that that that that one song would have

1704
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 3: caused a lot of problems in l A that only

1705
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: a rappers, No, that's a song that's dead on it.

1706
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 3: Only a rapper is a dead rapper. And I was like,

1707
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 3: that shit going end up on a time record. Now

1708
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 3: we beefing and get shot it and got shit to

1709
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 3: do with that song, man, But you know that was

1710
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: long gone after that. But I'm just saying, dude, Due

1711
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 3: was vindictive when you left, and you didn't do anything

1712
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 3: wrong you. I went and made it on my own merits.

1713
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 3: I wrote every song I ever did, or every song

1714
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 3: was mine, because if I would have even attempted to

1715
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: steal something is he didn't you know, he didn't play that.

1716
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 3: He would sue the pants off you because he had

1717
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 3: the bread to do that. So I never went into

1718
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: anything like that with him. And I had just never

1719
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 3: signed releases or something. So when I left, lawyers were

1720
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 3: telling me, man, he owes you millions of dollars and

1721
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 3: you can go, And I never did, and you got

1722
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: your freedom.

1723
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 7: Got publishing Jungle. You got your publishing for Jungle.

1724
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 3: Luve right, No, I mean I did, but I there's

1725
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 3: prices that myself and Morris had to pay if we

1726
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 3: were leaving. But I was never in a contract, but

1727
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 3: we still there was prices you had to pay. Oh

1728
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 3: so if you left, then you had to differ up

1729
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: some things.

1730
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: So what okay, I gotta ask, where is that the

1731
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: board because I know that you purchased Oh yeah, I

1732
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: bought it, but it was really fucked up because I'm

1733
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: I just left, I'm on my own.

1734
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm he know how poor I am. And he's doing

1735
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 3: dress rehearsals and just give it to you, like no,

1736
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 3: it's just like this, motherfuckers. And he's doing dress rehearsals

1737
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 3: at uh the Saint Paul Center or something, yeah, the

1738
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 3: Saint Paul Civic Center. And I go over there and

1739
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 3: I got a check for I think eighteen thousand. You know,

1740
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 3: that's like nine million dollars to me. So I told

1741
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 3: him I would just gave you the board, like no,

1742
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 3: But he was real hardcore funny about it messed up

1743
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 3: because the only person standing in a room when it

1744
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 3: went down was out of leads. But I walked in

1745
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: the room and I said, you know, to get that board.

1746
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 3: It was a Soundcraft B three great board. We did

1747
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 3: a lot of shit on it, nineteen ninety nine Vanity

1748
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 3: the time. We did a lot of great stuff on it.

1749
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 3: All the purple rain was down on board. Yeah, so

1750
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: we I go. I give him a check for that,

1751
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 3: which was like killing me because because my fun, my album,

1752
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 3: my first album, Fun was one twenty five and they

1753
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 3: pay it to you in thirds you know, you get

1754
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: a third when you start, third when you mix, and

1755
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: the other remaining third when you had But people think

1756
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 3: that's a lot of money, but they don't realize it's

1757
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 3: working capital. It's not. It's like you get maybe get

1758
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 3: to get twenty out of that if you're lucky, if

1759
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: you're lucky. But I was really good. And because all

1760
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 3: the control is in your hands to to to to,

1761
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 3: you know, to make sure you coming, you know, you

1762
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: do right with the money. So and so I go

1763
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 3: over to buy it, and I bought a board, but

1764
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 3: it was garbage. It was a Soundcraft sixteen hundred. And

1765
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: when I.

1766
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Started recording, it was like, oh.

1767
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 3: And I and I had already lied my way into

1768
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: the record you know the record deal. They say, you

1769
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 3: you don't know about this, you produce records. Oh yeah,

1770
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 3: of course I know what I'm doing. A clue what

1771
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm doing.

1772
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Susan, that was at least happening now.

1773
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 3: Actually Susan. Then Susan didn't come with me until until

1774
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 3: I did the Love Struck Hung So that's so Susan

1775
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

1776
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 6: And that's what question real quick, when did the Janet

1777
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 6: Jackson tracks come in? Is this before you got signed

1778
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:04,879
Speaker 6: or after.

1779
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 3: This after, but I was before my record ever came

1780
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 3: out because I was a John McClean project too. So

1781
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 3: I bought that board. I had to take the other

1782
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: board back.

1783
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: It was garbage.

1784
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 3: It was I don't know what I paid for nine

1785
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 3: thousand or something, and I took that shit back and

1786
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 3: I was like, all right. I was panicking. I had

1787
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 3: to make something happen. So I knew Prince Sella their board,

1788
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 3: and I called him and he's like, yeah, yeah, d

1789
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 3: d DA. And I didn't even say that, like, man.

1790
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: Why don't you just give it much? Motherfucker.

1791
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 3: I ain't even get into that. I just said, Okay,

1792
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 3: where do I need to I went over to the

1793
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 3: same reci to check and Alan Leeds was in the

1794
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 3: room and I and I said, you know, you should

1795
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: be the nicest people in anybody ever met. And he goes,

1796
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 3: why do you say that? And I say, because everything

1797
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 3: you've ever dreamed of is happening for you in the

1798
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 3: way that you dreamt of it happening, meaning a crossover,

1799
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 3: right right crossover. That's why when the time plays seven

1800
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 3: seven and stuff live, white people be like, oh what

1801
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 3: the fuck is that? And then the black people in

1802
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 3: the audience be like, yeah, because they knew all the

1803
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 3: time shit before that. But if you ever see the

1804
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 3: audience that the white kids, only the white folks only

1805
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 3: know that ship from the Purple Range. They think that's

1806
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 3: the only time record that's And so I got to

1807
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: see that in two thousand and eight when I performed

1808
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 3: that run in Vegas with them, and it's like you said,

1809
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 3: seven to seven and the walk and all that shit,

1810
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 3: And it's weird, how now people don't they don't like something,

1811
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 3: and then you know, we like something, we go, man,

1812
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: it's cool.

1813
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Let me go see these other.

1814
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 3: Records, and then we might end up. There's times we

1815
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 3: go Danni, shit, old man, them records wasn't right yet,

1816
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 3: you know, but we'll go back and find out everything.

1817
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: And so when I bought the board he said, I said, yeah,

1818
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 3: it should be the nicest person anybody ever meet. And

1819
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 3: I'm meaning this because I love Prince even to the

1820
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 3: day they he died. We were the best of friends.

1821
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: We had a major love for one and I lived

1822
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 3: with him. I live with him, I lived in him

1823
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: all the way and when we finished Purple Raine, I

1824
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 3: was living at that house. And then when he went

1825
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 3: to La. It was cold blooded. He went to La

1826
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 3: and I said, And on the rap night, I said, Prince,

1827
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,839
Speaker 3: can I stay at your house and use the studio?

1828
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 3: He said yeah. But when I went there, I said,

1829
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: can I just use the studio? Because I knew he

1830
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 3: was going to La to you know, wrap the film

1831
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: and do whatever. I went there.

1832
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: He took a boy.

1833
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 3: It was just a take machine and the board and

1834
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: the speakers, so I had to like go with someverb

1835
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 3: and on it. And that's where Susan came. I met Susan.

1836
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 3: And you've seen Susan say, how if it wasn't for Jesse,

1837
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't got the gig because I'm the one that

1838
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 3: came and I knew everything. But you couldn't never sing

1839
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 3: ithing around Prince. I remember a suns and sound. He

1840
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 3: plugged in harmonizer.

1841
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: And I said, what does that do?

1842
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 3: Don't worry about that? And that's all you I knew

1843
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 3: right then and there. Okay, he ain't supposing you ain't

1844
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 3: supposed to know, no ship. But I had big eyes

1845
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: and ears open, and so when he when she came in,

1846
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 3: she came from Crosbie, Stills and Nash, so she never

1847
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 3: was around no thumping, bumping, And I said, look, this

1848
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 3: is the drum machine he uses. This is how he

1849
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 3: likes his kick a cute, this is what he uses

1850
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 3: on the base. And I showed her all that stuff.

1851
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 3: And so when he came in for the first time

1852
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 3: and finally called her, she knew all this.

1853
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: So all the outboard gear that he would have in

1854
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: his drum machines too.

1855
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 3: He took all that shit to La and he didn't

1856
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 3: tell He said, oh, yeah, sure. Then what I asked

1857
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 3: about it was actually shocking.

1858
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: Was at the wrapper.

1859
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, because I had been staying there,

1860
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 3: but for some reason, it's weird as hell. I Jamie.

1861
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 3: She was asking me, you know, like the top of

1862
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 3: the year. She said, all that time you spent at

1863
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 3: princes House, why did you just sleep in the living

1864
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 3: room on the couch? And I said this bedrooms? He

1865
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: had other bedrooms in there, and his bedroom was on

1866
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 3: the lower level. And then after nineteen ninety nine, Jamie

1867
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 3: had remodeled, had the whole house remodeling at the West Lake.

1868
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Speakers of shit. But I and she said, why did

1869
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: you she financed me. Why would you ever sleeping in

1870
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 3: the other bedrooms? I said, because that best friend had

1871
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 3: them flowers and shit on it and ruffles. That shit

1872
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 3: freaked me out, man. But but let me tell how

1873
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 3: futuristic this cat was. Because I didn't know any of

1874
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 3: this stuff. But he would take me in the bedroom

1875
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 3: like on if you've seen Twitter, and I said, yeah,

1876
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Prince had a I said, he had a stack of

1877
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: rejection letters because the one that Owen published is one

1878
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: of them. But he had a bunch of them because

1879
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 3: he showed them to me. The only reason why I know,

1880
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: because he showed them to me. But how ahead of

1881
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 3: himself he was. You know, he in one of the bedrooms.

1882
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 3: He opened up the door to the closet to show me,

1883
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 3: and he had every outfit from the what was the

1884
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 3: first album, call for You for You? He had all

1885
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 3: of the whatever he had on on their leather jacket,

1886
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 3: the bell bottoms of shoes, hit everything. He kept everything

1887
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 3: he had to get. He just had that foresight or

1888
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 3: something and he had and he was showing it to me.

1889
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 3: But I didn't know what this stuff was. Some big

1890
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 3: ass platform shoes, one am I supposed to do?

1891
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: But he had.

1892
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 3: Everything from every album up until you know, this is

1893
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 3: like after nineteen ninety nine, tours. So but he was

1894
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 3: showing me just like and that's where he had the

1895
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: whole stock of rejection letters, and he's like, look what

1896
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 3: this guy said, Look at this guy said, look at it,

1897
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 3: and they were at all. I was like, I don't

1898
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 3: hear receipts and the yeah, but but it to me

1899
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 3: was showing you how you you had a belief in yourself.

1900
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 3: You ain't really.

1901
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Well wait, I still don't get the question answered.

1902
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 3: Where is the board now, John McClean, If Jesus it's

1903
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 3: upstairs and Marvin's woman John had it.

1904
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,440
Speaker 1: Marvin's boy and Prince's board is in that same upstairs

1905
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: up in the where bedroom is.

1906
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 3: Yes, it's upstairs. And if you walk in, if you

1907
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 3: walk upstairs and you see the best, you know how

1908
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 3: he has had that secret door that opens even met. Yeah,

1909
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 3: but what did I buy? I bought the t s,

1910
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 3: the Giant one fifty six input and all that automation

1911
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: because I had the two machines and stuff, and so

1912
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 3: I outgrew it. But but my it was nicer after

1913
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,839
Speaker 3: I bought it because I had api okay five fifty

1914
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 3: bees installed, had a roll of like six of them

1915
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 3: installed in it. So I you know it was a

1916
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:18,799
Speaker 3: great console though it was it smacked it to it,

1917
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 3: It really did. And that's why when he I was

1918
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 3: just keeping it and then he said, oh, I'll buy that,

1919
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 3: and then he bought it for what I paid for

1920
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 3: a way back then. But he had Soundcraft come out

1921
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 3: and recap everything, refresh everything. So it's like men and

1922
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 3: it's just sitting there, but it's all connected and everything,

1923
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 3: but it's just sitting there and it's the five point

1924
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 3: fifty b that we cut all that stuff. And then

1925
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm just like really not a collector of anything in.

1926
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: That sentimental No, Okay, I gotta ask you, how did

1927
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: you manage to escape the dressing room from the food fight?

1928
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 1: It was the handcuffed like what they Every everyone's account

1929
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: of the food fight in in Cincinnati was that on

1930
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety nine to was that you're you're anger,

1931
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: But I was you to take that that entire coat

1932
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: rack down.

1933
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't because if you if I was really angry

1934
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 3: like that, I gotta steal pipe in my out. It

1935
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 3: has been I've been on death row right now, so

1936
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 3: I've obviously wasn't. It's just like you know you uh,

1937
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 3: but it scared me that day because Prince when I

1938
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: when I took that thing down, everybody in that room,

1939
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 3: his band members, everybody fled like roaches. He cut the

1940
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 3: light time. I was like, you can see because there's

1941
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: somebody was shooting pictures and you can see just THEO

1942
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 3: and I was yeah, and I was running behind Prince

1943
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 3: and like, say, if you open the door, you know

1944
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 3: most it was a It was a big, big ass

1945
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 3: arena place, so they have fire doors. So when he

1946
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 3: opened the door, Bobby z or somebody ran through the

1947
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: door before Prince, and so the door was closing, but

1948
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: Prince was busy doing this and then he hit the

1949
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 3: edge of that door and I kind of stopped because

1950
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 3: I thought he didn't hurt himself. He hit that ship hard,

1951
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 3: but he lamb and then rolled around the door. And

1952
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'd have been dead if I hit the

1953
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 3: door like that. But no, I wasn't like that. But

1954
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 3: we had it was a but was funny though. I

1955
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 3: just I just got the concert. So I have him

1956
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 3: taking you both from the stage. But what you know,

1957
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 3: what you didn't see is he was running. You don't

1958
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 3: see how giant the stage is. The stage is like

1959
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 3: ten twenty feet he was running so hard, and then

1960
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:47,600
Speaker 3: Roger Trautman's drums big as drum set zapps with you

1961
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 3: guys at yes, prince, yes, it was before the vanity.

1962
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 3: It was before so it's the controversy to it, right,

1963
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:59,480
Speaker 3: But that drum set is sitting there, giant mam maculate.

1964
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 3: He was running and he couldn't stop, and he knocked

1965
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 3: that hole off the stage like twenty feet. This is

1966
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 3: one stage you guys are for. We got got him

1967
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 3: good because he used to do less work and he

1968
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 3: got that whatever he used to say, I'll do use

1969
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 3: whatever the words. That's always and he and then he

1970
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 3: would always pull out this pair of underwear and do this,

1971
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 3: like pull out a pair of drawers like man, I

1972
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 3: went on a special hunt. I got a pair of

1973
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: draws that you know, you can put them on a

1974
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 3: car like a braw and I put that and I

1975
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 3: paid the production manager. I put that ship in his

1976
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 3: because when he would come off, he would change and

1977
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 3: put on the same kind of the same exact jacket.

1978
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 3: Put that ship in the pocket. He goes, I'll did

1979
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 3: you in and he's like, and you got to see it.

1980
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 3: It might even be on the tape to here, but

1981
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 3: you see him and he and it's like a magician

1982
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 3: pulling out the scarfish and he's like, and he does this,

1983
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: and he looks at the production mad because the production

1984
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 3: dude was from here, and he looks at him and

1985
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 3: he's like, he was so see, he could do that ship,

1986
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 3: but he couldn't take this ship back. He was like,

1987
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 3: And I didn't think he'd be that hot about that.

1988
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 3: You know, he pulled that ship on these big ass straws,

1989
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 3: and he was. But the fact that you have to

1990
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 3: see him go after that, you in.

1991
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: And then he had to.

1992
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 3: Nerd a dude like and he was hot. And I

1993
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 3: was on the side of the stage. And so that

1994
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 3: was the day before the food and so the food

1995
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 3: fight was the actual because that that day that I

1996
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 3: did that wasn't the end of It was the day before.

1997
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: So that's how I was and was the end.

1998
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 3: And so after the thing with me, when they got me,

1999
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 3: you saw the door kind of small. He saw the

2000
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 3: time members with juice bags on the head. They took

2001
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 3: green garbage bags, put holes in them and had them

2002
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 3: all life suit him and you saw them out there

2003
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 3: just hot and ready to kill until Morris. We caught

2004
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Matt faink and you know you so they were so

2005
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 3: angry that they were this close to him and could

2006
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 3: hit him. Its like, was just off completely. It was

2007
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 3: just off. I mean, I'm like, because Terry's like, he's

2008
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,759
Speaker 3: just so close to it and then the egg breaks

2009
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 3: in his hand because he's gone.

2010
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: And the musicians shouldn't be sports people.

2011
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 3: He's picking the egg off the I mean, just like

2012
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 3: revenge time and the only person that wasn't food fight.

2013
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 3: They ran up on him. But he was never part

2014
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 3: of it. I never said more than he what's up

2015
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 3: to him? Than all the years around. It was down Dickerson, Dickerson.

2016
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, we caught math faint somewhere man, and he

2017
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 3: was not good, wasn't pretty. Yeah we were. You know,

2018
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 3: you just don't need a lot for the time to

2019
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: be mad. We ain't paid and then you know where,

2020
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,839
Speaker 3: you know, we're going back to the hood. When the tours,

2021
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't.

2022
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 7: A lot at the end of the day, were y'all

2023
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 7: at least scale like to other the other musicians that

2024
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 7: you would tour with left like Roger Troutin.

2025
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,879
Speaker 3: Ask him that we don't know nothing about no scales

2026
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 3: and ship that's something that we just you know, but no, you,

2027
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 3: in all honesty, you can't. The reason why you never

2028
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 3: hear me bitch and moan about it because it's like

2029
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 3: you're there by choice, so you know, ain't nobody you do?

2030
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 3: No because what you learned and what an experience couldn't

2031
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 3: buy it with all the money in the world. So

2032
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 3: when I look at it, and I've always looked at it's.

2033
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 10: Like what if I got paid away more money?

2034
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 3: But I would have never been in that inner. That's

2035
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 3: why when a man was sitting here and he was

2036
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,559
Speaker 3: laughing about cleaning the toilets, which I don't know, dude

2037
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 3: would call me in the middle of the night. I

2038
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 3: lived down you know those apartments that you see from

2039
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 3: the freeway that are in different colors. See the scu

2040
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 3: was That's why I lived, and that's where they used

2041
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 3: to film the Marriytime Marshall. Really yeah, but I used

2042
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 3: to live there and to get in Michael, you call

2043
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 3: me at any hour and I would go drive way

2044
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 3: out there because it's the studio. And then the girl

2045
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 3: I was dating with, I think you guys are having

2046
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 3: a fair and I'm like, did the funk out here?

2047
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 3: You know how to make records, call me too, but

2048
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 3: this is fucker called this is fuck. They don'ts how

2049
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 3: to make records, you know, And seriously, that's exactly what

2050
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 3: came out of my mom I'm like going, I'm sorry,

2051
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 3: but he went and out over you because Sigon came.

2052
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,799
Speaker 3: Hear around you and listen to some records or whatever

2053
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 3: and the three genos back then it was still three

2054
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 3: channels right now. But I'm like, ship, this is another thing.

2055
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 3: So he would call me out there. Morris is the

2056
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 3: Morse is the witness to this. But Morris, you know,

2057
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 3: in the studio they had that really long cue tip

2058
01:42:53,600 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 3: that you clean the head, stop using those not for that.

2059
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: He would be mad, like you.

2060
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 3: Man, would you stop you? But this we were this

2061
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 3: is doing according the Bird, I think with the bird,

2062
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: the original bird, Okay, And he called me out and

2063
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 3: he called me out the drive way out there in

2064
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 3: the middle of like I think I will record or something.

2065
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,600
Speaker 3: That got me out there because the machine broke and

2066
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 3: I meant to rewind it by hand. He called you

2067
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 3: just yes because he knew. He was like just gonna

2068
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 3: pay the dudes to be in this moment because you

2069
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 3: know them two grew up together. As kids, Morris and

2070
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 3: Hill was so Morrison be sitting at the board and

2071
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 3: he would be Ryan because I'm like, man, fuck the

2072
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 3: fuck is why you had me call Man? You need

2073
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 3: to call Dom Batcher.

2074
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 7: Why Morris an't give you the handsome.

2075
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 3: No, because he because they're hilarious. They're the funniest dudes.

2076
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 3: They are the funny. Morris is probably one of the

2077
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 3: funniest dudes you ever meet. And he's off the cuff

2078
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 3: with it. Like on stage even that run in Vegas,

2079
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,919
Speaker 3: a girl came up and had this top on and

2080
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 3: she had a you know, was like tied in the

2081
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 3: back of the boat and just saw the top of

2082
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 3: his head he got when he touches things like I'm

2083
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 3: about to go from PG to double D like ship

2084
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 3: just immediately he don't think about it and he just

2085
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 3: fat and I just be like, I can't even I

2086
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 3: tell you when we you know, when we see each other,

2087
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 3: we'll see each other now and before we say anything,

2088
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 3: we just look at each other and start Ryan just

2089
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 3: start laughing because we know.

2090
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 7: Morris isn't the same for everybody who never met Morris.

2091
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: He is purple.

2092
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 3: He is funnier because all that stuff was written all

2093
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 3: that stuff was written by friends. But Morris Morris is

2094
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 3: funny as hell. He so funniest cats ever. Man, all right,

2095
01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 3: are you about to change the topic because actually want to.

2096
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,759
Speaker 3: There's a photo going around of Morrison Prince and Princess

2097
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 3: and Jamie star mode or where he's doing that. Yeah, no,

2098
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 3: that's just the polls. They would never they would never

2099
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 3: like that.

2100
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 6: Well no, no, no, no no, I'm just asking, like, you

2101
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 6: know what he would did Jamie Starr character appear in

2102
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 6: the studio whenever?

2103
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 3: That was some ship that was just print. I ain't

2104
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 3: seen them about get Ready knock Up one time, and

2105
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 3: I was just so happy. I was like being out

2106
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 3: in the middle, be fun friends. It was on the

2107
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 3: set of Propine and Morris came in and uh he

2108
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 3: was late, and he wasn't late because y'all don't even

2109
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 3: know man. Y'all don't even know man. He We would

2110
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 3: be on the set every morning at five thirty, but

2111
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 3: we wasn't shooting being dressed. No, it wasn't no hurry

2112
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 3: up and wait. Just didn't want us to be doing

2113
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 3: anything else. So you'd be on the set every day,

2114
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 3: full makeup, dress and ain't shooting nothing, just had just

2115
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 3: so he would know where where's Jesse. I know where

2116
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 3: he's over there? Okay, you know that kind of ship.

2117
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 3: And so Morris was like, yeah, man, you know what,

2118
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 3: fuck this ship. And so Morris walked in one day.

2119
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 3: It was so it was so amazing because he was

2120
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 3: always like my idol, because he.

2121
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 10: He came in high collar, clean his hell, ask got

2122
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 10: look just looked amazing, hairlaid, everything, came in clean his

2123
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 10: hell and Prince and it was when you.

2124
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 3: First walk in the first avenue. You know you can

2125
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 3: either go that way if you go this way. There's

2126
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 3: a stairway, so that the stairway is full of extras.

2127
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 3: And Prince walked up to him, which he was used

2128
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 3: to doing and sand stuff for him. And Morris never

2129
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 3: would say anything in front of everybody, but he this

2130
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 3: morning wasn't. He wasn't at one because.

2131
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: He walked up to it.

2132
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 3: Man, you know you're letting the thing about it.

2133
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 1: He's doing this.

2134
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 3: Like mother fucker, and what the fuck? And I was like,

2135
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 3: that's about time. And then when they made it to

2136
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 3: the dressing room with that, then Prince came into the

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Speaker 3: dress rooms man and Morrises immediately was and then Bean

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Speaker 3: jumped and he's like, bring this ship man, Morsels, get ready,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm standing at that going because

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Speaker 3: that's what he with. Me and Jerome used to fight

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Speaker 3: all the time, really because when Jerome got when Jerome

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Speaker 3: came around, he wasn't in the band. He was like

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Speaker 3: the roadie dude. So he would be mad all the time.

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Speaker 3: You'd see him and he'd be moving the suitcases and roadka.

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Speaker 3: He'd be mad all the time. He was always mad

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Speaker 3: at me for something he didn't even know me. But

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Speaker 3: and so we fight all the time. I said, you

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Speaker 3: know what, Mom, Toddy, you musclehead motherfucker, let's do this

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Speaker 3: ship And Prince used to be the always be the

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Speaker 3: one let him let him fight, So that was my

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Speaker 3: opportunity to investigator. Yeah, and Bean jumped in your friends,

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Speaker 3: did Joy ass off the way? Let these niggas had

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Speaker 3: his ship out?

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Speaker 7: I just want to know who said I will fuck

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Speaker 7: you up more?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So sorry y'all, So sorry to cut y'all so short,

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Speaker 1: but you know there's more to come next week on

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Speaker 1: our special interview with Jesse Johnson, Tune in next week

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Speaker 1: when Jesse will talk about those Purplerine deleted scenes. That

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Speaker 1: we didn't get to see touring with Luther vanros and

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Speaker 1: Roger Troutman and Larry Troutman. Also, we'll talk about a

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Speaker 1: few Prince demos going up for auction. It'll be a blast, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, Trust me? You want to come back next

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Speaker 1: week for part two of our interview with Jesse Johnson

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Speaker 1: on Quest Love Supreme see event West. Love Supreme is

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