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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't mention Tony because I just can't. I

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Speaker 3: Rider.

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Speaker 2: After much shaming, and let's be honest with each other,

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Speaker 2: as we've been friends for so long, that's what it's been.

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Speaker 2: After much horrible shaming coming from you. This morning, I

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Speaker 2: purchased a thin, small wallet.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, thank you. I couldn't couldn't take it because

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was around Yeah please please what membership?

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Speaker 3: But Blockbuster, do you still yours?

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Speaker 2: Is gone? Thank you. Blockbuster is responsible for my marriage,

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Speaker 2: have we not.

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Speaker 3: Have we not talked about this.

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Speaker 2: No, So Sue and I dated right after Sadness. No,

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Speaker 2: I know, I love Blockbuster. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I hope your marriage is not based on It's based

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Speaker 2: It's based on Blockbuster. We got the love and the trust.

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Speaker 2: That's the easy part, the getting films nowadays. No, so

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Speaker 2: Sue and I dated start dated first right after boy

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Speaker 2: we met again. I mean we stayed friendly for years,

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Speaker 2: I don't, but I think it was a Tuesday, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah we got with my house is the same and

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Speaker 3: So you've gone to a slim wallet.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to jump into our episode because I'm

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Speaker 4: So welcome to Pod meets World.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Fischl, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 1: So we have mentioned it on the show a few times,

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping my mind. I'm keeping an open mind. That's

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Speaker 2: all I can say. I'm keeping an open mind. Good.

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Speaker 1: Well, that brings me to giving you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of backstory on Kira Muscara, who is a licensed clinical

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Speaker 1: She holds a BFA in acting from NYU Tish School

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Speaker 3: Oh, I like that's school. Yes, you do.

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Speaker 4: She's basically filming it with us.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Hogwarts was my safety school. That's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 1: Kira currently works in private practice providing individual psychotherapy consulting

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Speaker 1: And now, after listening to every single episode of our

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Speaker 1: So let's please welcome Kira Mascara. Yeah, guys, what if

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Speaker 1: I said please welcome Kira.

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Speaker 4: And then it was Dusty that would surprise he's here

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Speaker 4: for all of the unpackings.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you Kira for being here with us.

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Speaker 1: And my first question is that we are now more

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Speaker 4: A bad idea, I would say, short answer.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, been amazing.

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Speaker 5: I think something that's so important when we're looking at

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Such a that's such a concise way of saying exactly

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Speaker 5: Yes, thank you so much, but yet to like, as adults,

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Speaker 4: Wow, no, wonder, this is all felt so healing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why does Ryder like to steal so much?

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Speaker 4: That might be a whole other episode she wasn't aware

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Speaker 3: I think what's weird about our experience and what we're

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Speaker 3: So it's like I and I, you know, I've talked

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Speaker 3: And so it's very weird to not only be processing

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Speaker 5: I think what's important about you guys doing it publicly

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that is very true question for you because

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Speaker 4: Wow, Kira, let's jump into your questions.

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Speaker 1: I have so many things I could ask you, but

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Speaker 1: a house where they feel like they have to be

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00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: all be good all the time or be perfectionist all

442
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: the time in order to keep me happy, Like I'm

443
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: I just really don't want that and so I am

444
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: in therapy for the first time in my life, partially

445
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: because of this podcast, and I am struggling. One of

446
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: the things that we are starting to talk about is

447
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: like little girl Danielle and if I couldn't, I mean,

448
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how hard it is to be

449
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: in touch with her. I'm like, it's so, I have

450
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: like a complete dissociation and I don't know why. And

451
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: we actually just had a very interesting experience where a

452
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: full and complete, repressed memory was revealed when Will remembered

453
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: something very clearly from an episode we shot where I

454
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: apparently burst into tears in front of a live studio audience.

455
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Speaker 4: And that is something.

456
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: Bursting into tears in front of two hundred and fifty

457
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: plus people is something.

458
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: You should remember.

459
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: And you're fellow cast, yeah, and everybody.

460
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 5: And the audience that will eventually be watching the show. Yeah,

461
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's a piece as well.

462
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like that is something you would think if

463
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: that happened to anybody listening right now, they go, yeah,

464
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: I'd remember that. I'd remember that if that happened to me,

465
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: if I burst into tears in front of that many

466
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: people and ran off. And yet I have no memory

467
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: of it, so I'm trying to, like, I'm trying to

468
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: get to those to those things, and it's it is.

469
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: If you thought the up the podcast was a lot

470
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: of unpacking, I'm also jumping into all kinds of real

471
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: life unpacking, which hopefully helps explain some of the reasons

472
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: why I am like a raw nerve and am like

473
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: could cry at the drop of a dime.

474
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Speaker 4: So I I'm loving it. I'm truly loving it.

475
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.

476
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 5: I mean that segues so well into kind of what

477
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 5: I was going to move into. And I'm kind of

478
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 5: going to give some information before I ask some questions

479
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 5: that will relate to what I'm saying, so that when

480
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 5: I'm using these words, you know what I'm talking about.

481
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: So a lot of the work that I do is

482
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 4: parts work.

483
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 5: It stems from a type of therapy called internal family systems,

484
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 5: basically looking at our internal ecosystem as a family as

485
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 5: all these different parts of us that make up who

486
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: we are. And a lot of that includes, like you said,

487
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 5: little Danielle, that's a part of you too, and that

488
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 5: could be multiple parts. Little Danielle can be little Danielle

489
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 5: who was loving being on stage and being the center

490
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 5: of attention. Danielle can be that part that was like

491
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 5: feeling really beaten down and hurt or insecure. And when

492
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 5: we look at all of our parts within us, a

493
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: lot of times it could be things like you said, perfectionism,

494
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: that could be a part. A part of us can

495
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 5: be I'm a fierce caretaker. I really am passionate about

496
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 5: taking care of my loved ones. These are all different

497
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 5: parts of us. So if I ask you questions and

498
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 5: I use the word parts, that's kind of what I'm

499
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: referring to.

500
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Speaker 4: Okay, I love it. I started crying just hearing you

501
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: talk about it.

502
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: Going to be a very.

503
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 5: All come out. And so when you're looking at that experience,

504
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 5: like you said, of like that is so bizarre to me.

505
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 5: Why don't I remember that anyone would remember that? It's

506
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 5: because another part came forward to protect you from the

507
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 5: man as it was too painful to remember that little

508
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: Danielle is like frozen in there. And what happens is

509
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 5: the other parts of us have feelings about our different parts,

510
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 5: and there's probably another part of you that's like, I

511
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: hate that little girl that was embarrassed and ashamed and crying.

512
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: I want to get rid of her.

513
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take over and you're not going to

514
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: remember that memory. Wow.

515
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: And it's so painful because little Danielle is still in

516
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: there and she wants to be heard just as much

517
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 5: of that as that other voice is trying.

518
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: To be heard.

519
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still a part of me that hates that

520
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: little Danielle that burst into tears. There's a part of

521
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: me that hates the big Danielle burst into tears too.

522
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: And I like that, like big a part of me

523
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: that always wants to just be like I need to

524
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: get things done. It's time to get things done. You

525
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: don't have time to talk about this. You don't have

526
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: time to grieve this, you don't have time.

527
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: To do that.

528
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: There are things to get done.

529
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: That part of me moving, Oh yeah, that part of

530
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: my ego is like whoa, she's a stallion and she's

531
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: very efficient and she's like super I mean, I also

532
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: give her a lot of credit because that person is

533
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the reason I accomplish the goals that

534
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I want to accomplish, and I checked them, gets a

535
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: lot done and is like super self starting and motivating

536
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: and takes a lot on her plate and can get

537
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: it all done like the superwoman version of me.

538
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's her.

539
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 5: That's the part the Superwoman.

540
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Speaker 1: That's the only part of me I think is well developed. Honestly,

541
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: I think I think the other little parts of me

542
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: have just been things. I've just been like, nope, not

543
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: dealing with you.

544
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: Go away.

545
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like just now starting to take the cap

546
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: off of those people. I'm not gonna hog this episode.

547
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: So yes, do about everybody's part.

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: But I think that makes so much sense that you're like,

549
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 5: that is the part of me that feels so developed,

550
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: because yeah, that was the part that got you on

551
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: a hit sitcom. That was the part that helped you

552
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 5: sustain being on a hit sitcom. I mean, you need

553
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: to be superwoman on set and in handling a situation

554
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: that is so bizarre, like we said, and that needs

555
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 5: to be moving, like that's how show business works.

556
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: And so also the only version that got validation, that's

557
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: also the one that gets the applause, that gets the

558
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: good job, that gets the look what you did, that

559
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: gets the like we're so proud of you, because that's

560
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, like that's the one that achieves.

561
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the part that cried, like you said on set

562
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 5: and had to take a break and slow down production

563
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 5: and kind of hold everything up. That part doesn't work

564
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: in show business.

565
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: If no one was saying congratulations, Danielle, you just stopped

566
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: the show. Congratulations, people are waiting.

567
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Superwoman Danielle learned, I gotta be at the forefront.

569
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 5: I gotta be the driver's I'm going to get stuff

570
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: done because these other parts are slowing us down.

571
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why they kind of disappear. Yeah, yeah, poof.

572
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: Let's talk about writer.

573
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 5: Writer, tell me about your part. Yeah, something writer that

574
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 5: I in a recent episode.

575
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: I know you're talking about.

576
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: I know there's been a lot of conversation about being

577
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 5: hard on ourselves watching everything back, it's I think the

578
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 5: curse of the actor.

579
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: It's impossible to not feel that way.

580
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: But I know you described it as feeling like, oh

581
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 5: my god, I just look so out of control, and

582
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: so I wrote it down not presentable, which I thought

583
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: was such like, ooh.

584
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: Those are powerful words.

585
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: What what was that like?

586
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 5: Is that how you felt at the time?

587
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Out of control? Uh?

588
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I was I was thinking about because

589
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: I you know, yeah, that episode recently just came out,

590
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: so I saw that clip on Instagram, and I was like, wow, yeah,

591
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what's interesting is that when I

592
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: watched the clip of me saying I was out of

593
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: control and not presentable, I actually feel the opposite about

594
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: acting now, Like I actually think that in a certain

595
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: to a certain degree, being out of control and being

596
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: non presentable is good for actors, right, Like I think, really,

597
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: I think that the and I think, what part of

598
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: the my the part of you know, the reason I'm

599
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: not an actor anymore is that I realized that so

600
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: much of acting became being in control and being presentable,

601
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 3: and that ruined me as an actor, Like that actually

602
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: took away the essential thing that is great about acting,

603
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: which is that you're doing this high wire act, you're

604
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: feeling it, You're alive. So, for instance, I I was

605
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: thinking the other day, I remember one time, near the

606
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: end of Boy Me World, I finally went into the

607
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: editing room. We rarely went into the editing room, and

608
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: I remember sitting there watching the editors work on one

609
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: of our scenes and Karen mcchanne was our producer, and

610
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: they couldn't tell which take they were using from a

611
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: performance of mine, and they were like, oh, it's the

612
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: same in both of these takes, and Karen turned to

613
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: me and said, yeah, you and Ben are often it's

614
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: impossible to tell the difference between your takes. And at

615
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: the time, I went, that's not a good thing. I

616
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: don't think that's a good thing. And what that says

617
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: to me is that by the end of Boy Meets World,

618
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: I had sort of learned to control my presentation to

619
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: you know, and I think it destroyed acting for me.

620
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I was in my late twenties

621
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: early thirties that I started taking acting classes again and

622
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: met my wife and sort of rediscovered what acting is

623
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: and realized, look, no, I needed like be free, Like

624
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: the whole point is to be out of control. So

625
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: I totally it's interesting that now I look back on

626
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: my early days on Boy Meets World and I'm criticizing that,

627
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: when in reality, I think that was actually the right impulse,

628
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: you know. I think it's more just like the insecurity

629
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: of like, look, feeling awkward about my face and what

630
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: I looked like and whatnot. But actually I'm I want

631
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: to go back and tell fourteen year old Rider in

632
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: second season, keep going, keep being weird, just keep keep

633
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: being out of control actually because I think that, yes,

634
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: like what I said on the podcast was the sort

635
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: of part of me. I was trying to clamp down

636
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: and be more presentable and be cooler or better looking

637
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: or more and in retrospect, that's all not good for

638
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 3: actors to be. I don't think, you know, I think

639
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: I think for me, acting should be freeing and being

640
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: about expressive and being honest and open and and so. Yeah.

641
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: So I actually kind of want to take back those

642
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: those what I was saying and be like, no, you

643
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: know is right for me to watch? Yeah, but I

644
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: think I was doing right. Like, I think the problem

645
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: was that as time went on on Boy Meet's World

646
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: and I'm curious to see how it goes, I think

647
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: I got more and more presentable and actory and locked

648
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: in in my performances and in my jokes, and I

649
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: think that made it less funny. I think I became

650
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: less entertaining as comedically. I think I might have been

651
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: fine dramatically, but I think that's part of the reason

652
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: why Sean became not funny is because I got very

653
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: insecure about my ability to hit jokes and nail a beat.

654
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: And that was you know, truth be told. That was

655
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: The atmosphere on our set was that there's a right

656
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: way to do jokes, and there was one person in

657
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: charge of that right way, and he would tell us

658
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: you are only going to get a laugh if you

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: do it the way I'm going to do it. And

660
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: I think Will fortunately was able to break free of

661
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: that very early on, and you always were like, no,

662
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: I know what's funny, and you did it, and you

663
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: were allowed the freedom to do that, and you were

664
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: written too in that reg whereas I always felt like,

665
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: in order to be funny, I had to follow the

666
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: literal line readings or the literal instructions of one man

667
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: who was writing those jokes, and that, you know, really

668
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: that paralyzed me about comedy and it's a bummer. That's gosh,

669
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: that's so powerful.

670
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: I think that is so much of the work for

671
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: actors in sustaining a whole career is how do you

672
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: keep that freedom and that fluidity that makes you a

673
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: good actor and not care because you hear so much

674
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 5: from people like, oh, my best audition was when I

675
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 5: didn't really care about the auditions. I didn't really care

676
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: about the part. And it's like, how do we keep

677
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 5: that feeling in us? When we do care because actors,

678
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: of course care. It's like the stakes are so high,

679
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: we do it because we care, Yes, right.

680
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: I had this incredible experience when I was so when

681
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: I was twenty three, I did the play The Graduate,

682
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: and I played the Ben Ben Care, the uh Dustin

683
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: Hoffman character, so it was I was on stage the

684
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: entire time, and it was very much a comedy. It

685
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: was a sort of an It was more bag based

686
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: on the book The Graduate. They took some parts of

687
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: the movie, but it's more based on the book, so

688
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: it had more of a sort of comedic outwardly funny tone.

689
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: And I.

690
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: Did my best and I was very much a certain

691
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: type of actor and just got killed in the reviews,

692
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: just massacred, which was the first time I had ever

693
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: had bad reviews because it was the first time being

694
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: an adult actor, frankly, and like, you know, I finally

695
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: and it was so funny. While I was doing the play,

696
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: I would read the reviews and be like, eh, they

697
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: don't know and move on and be fine. But then

698
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: like a year a year and a half after doing

699
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: the play, for whatever reason, I decided to google the

700
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: reviews and like could not sleep for weeks and it

701
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: was devastating. And then when I was thirty, they asked

702
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: me the production, the producers of the Graduate asked me

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: to go do the play again and I still looked

704
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: young enough to play the part, and they said, come

705
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: to Australia. And at this point I was already pretty

706
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: much done with acting. I had moved into directing and

707
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: I got this opportunity to play the same role again

708
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: and I told the director. I was like, I'm not

709
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: going to do it the same way because at that

710
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: point I had sort of had this revelation like I

711
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: need to like let go of control and let go

712
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: of like every night being the same performance and every

713
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: line being the same, and it was super freeing and

714
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: it was so wonderful to go back and do the

715
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: same play and this time completely let go of the

716
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: net and it completely changed my approach to acting. And

717
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: that's really when I kind of stopped acting after that run.

718
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: It was wonderful. It was super empowering, Like and what

719
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: I would do is I would be sitting there on

720
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: stage and I could feel the audience like if I was,

721
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: you know, finding myself into a rote performance where I'm like, oh,

722
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm hitting the beats I'm saying that, and I could

723
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: feel the audience waning. I could feel the energy waning.

724
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: I would be like, whoa, and I'd have to like

725
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: wake myself up and be like, next line, I'm just

726
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: not going to know how I'm going to say it.

727
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I know the line, but I'm going

728
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: to completely infuse it with a new meaning and a

729
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: new feeling. And immediately the audience would come with me,

730
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: and immediately they would come back, and so like, I

731
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: feel like I got to discover the power of acting

732
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: for the first time at thirty years old, you know,

733
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: and it was it was so cool to be able

734
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: to go back and do the same play again and

735
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: be able to like fix it. You know.

736
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

737
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: The actress working with me try to get me fired.

738
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: Who yeah, because she was like, she's like writers not

739
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: doing it the same way every night. I can't work

740
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: with him.

741
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: Wow, had done very she had that actor well, she

742
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: was a she.

743
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Was a very English style actress where there it's like

744
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 3: we lock in our performance and we do it every

745
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: night the exact same way. And she she she accused

746
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: me of changing the lines and I was like, no, no, no,

747
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing it word for word the same. I'm just

748
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: changing the way I say every night. I would never

749
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 3: improvise on stage, but what I would do is change

750
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: the tone, change whatever, change the intention, feel it be

751
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: alive in the moment. And that freaked her out, and

752
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, of course she had wanted me to go

753
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: back to what I had been when I was twenty three,

754
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: where I had just been a performing robot, and.

755
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: Where you were in quote unquote control, where you were predictable. Yeah,

756
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 5: being a director, has that given you any insight into

757
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: the kind of set and dynamic on set and culture

758
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: on set that you want to generate for the cast

759
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: that you're working with. And in doing that, is it

760
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 5: giving you any insights into the environment on set of

761
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World?

762
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah.

763
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: Girl Meets World was really that way that, uh, you.

764
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: Know, just deciding, oh, I'm not only a creative director here,

765
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: I am. I need to model what I think good

766
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: behaviors and good set behaviors for these kids, and I

767
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: need to protect them. And it was, you know, and

768
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: I was becoming a father during Boy Meets World or

769
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: during Girl Meets World. And I remember those two roles

770
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: sort of you know, me recognizing like, oh I am

771
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: the grown up here and I need to be, you know,

772
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: helping create a safe space for these kids and trying

773
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: to support them as actors in a way that I

774
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: did not feel was being supported and that I did

775
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: not feel was supported on Boy Meth World except from

776
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: people like David Trainor and Jeff McCracken. And we had

777
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: some good directors. We had some great directors and great

778
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: producers producers, you know, but in general, yes, with with

779
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: Girl Meth World, it was like, oh, I'm I'm time

780
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: traveling back, and I get to be one of the

781
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: adults that I appreciated when I was on Boymuth World,

782
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: and I need to like actively engage those powers now

783
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: and and try and do good. And it was really,

784
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: it was great. It was It was wonderful. I you know,

785
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: I actually don't have much of a relationship with the

786
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: girls from Girl Meth World, but I would like to

787
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: think that that they think fondly on our time together,

788
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: you know. And that way that I was a good

789
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: influence was.

790
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 5: That healing in itself to be able to kind of

791
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 5: be in the parent role and almost reparent other people,

792
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 5: but in a way almost reparent yourself.

793
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: And little Rider. The problem was I also had to

794
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: act on the show, and I did not want to

795
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: do that and I did not want to have to

796
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: be Sean Hunter again. And so while there was so

797
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: much empowerment when I directed, you know, and I ended

798
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: up directing a bunch of the episodes, ultimately the experience, like,

799
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 3: I think people still think of me as John Hunter,

800
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: and I only further entrenched that identity by being on

801
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: the show, which was a trade off, right. I agreed

802
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 3: to do two episodes a season of Girl Meets World

803
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: in order to be able to direct some episodes. But

804
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: when I look at that time, all I can remember

805
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: and all I can really think about is the directing

806
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: that I did. But unfortunately it's It definitely was the

807
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: nail in the coffin of my acting career because it

808
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: was like, oh here I am doing Sewan again, and

809
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: I just did not want to be there for that,

810
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: you know, in that role.

811
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had no problem coming back and playing

812
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: Topang again. I was excited to do it and to

813
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: see what Tapega was going to be as a mother

814
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: and how her relationship with Corey would have evolved, and

815
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: who she was as a wife and as a professional.

816
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: I was excited about all of those things.

817
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: And yes, it was very arctic to be an adult

818
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: professional on a set that that helped to try and

819
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: create in every way that I could a safe space

820
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: environment for all of the actors and all the kids

821
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: on that show. Unfortunately, in order to do that, I

822
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: myself was constantly fraught in near constant battle, and so

823
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: it was a total dichotomy of I'm going to battle

824
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: to help create a safe space environment, and so it was,

825
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, I walked away from it feeling like I

826
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: threw myself under a bus or in the line of

827
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: five onto the grenade and I and I hope it

828
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: worked to a certain and you know, I know only

829
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: to a certain extent that it that it you know,

830
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: it could it could only it would only work as

831
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: much as it could work.

832
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: And you know, uh, yeah, so let's talk about Will.

833
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: Will has been silent.

834
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: I've just been very I'll be totally honest with you, Kira.

835
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: I'm not fully comfortable with this and never have been. Yeah,

836
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: I think therapy is very important and very private, so

837
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure I will be guarded in what I answer,

838
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: but have at it.

839
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: No, that's totally okay. I completely respect that because yeah,

840
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: this is very unusual. Usually therapy is completely private and confidential.

841
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 5: So yeah, something that I was that I thought was

842
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: interesting listening as as a fan of the podcast listening

843
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 5: the whole story about Amsterdam and kind of one the

844
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: fleeing to Amsterdam and Jason Marten leading to kind of

845
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 5: come be like, come on, let's get back to real life,

846
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: Like we could do this for a week, then we

847
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: got to get back to me. It's obviously it's a

848
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 5: hilarious story, but I heard as a therapist, I was like, wow,

849
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: that is a strong part of you that was coming forward,

850
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 5: really protecting you from from something from you know, from

851
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 5: being on set, or how you felt being on set,

852
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: how you felt being in la.

853
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure it would be something more

854
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: of maybe being in Los Angeles or away from my family,

855
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: but that wouldn't make sense because I had gone to Europe.

856
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: But no, I my on set experience was normally very

857
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: very good. I just I you know, after the first year,

858
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: I didn't have to be in school, so I found

859
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: Tony Quinn. That second year we were off. You know,

860
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: I was doing this incredible show where I was enjoying

861
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: myself immensely acting and got such a rush from the audience,

862
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: and I could spend time with my friends and I

863
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: loved it. You know, was everything awesome? No, of course not.

864
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: But overall, when I look back at Boy Mets World,

865
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: it's a wonderful experience, probably the best seven years of

866
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: my life. I think there's also something just to be

867
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: said for I was like twenty yeah, and you I

868
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: just wanted to change. It's just something different. It's you know,

869
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: when you're under contract, even if it's a marvelously wonderful contract,

870
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: it's you know, the golden handcuffs. Occasionally where I'm I

871
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: had to go and ask permission to get a tattoo,

872
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: If I want to get my haircut, I have to

873
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: ask permission to do that. It's just you're under contract,

874
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: which is you know, there's a wonderful balance to being

875
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: under contract because you're also doing what you love and

876
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: you're getting money for it, you're getting the recognition for it.

877
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: You're making people laugh to me as my drug. So

878
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: getting to do that every week in front of an

879
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: audience that was every week we saw them getting more

880
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: and more invested in the characters in the show was

881
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: a wonderful experience for me. So I think I I'm

882
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: one of those guys who very rarely rebelled. And when

883
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: I look back at the stuff that I did rebel on,

884
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: it was all more personally damaging. Like I started smoking

885
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: cigarettes when I was ten. I didn't, I don't. Didn't

886
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: find drinking until I was like twenty five thirty, and

887
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: I didn't. I never did hard drugs or any of

888
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff like that. But you know, smoking

889
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: for thirty five years or whatever not a good thing.

890
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: And so that I'm sure had something to do with

891
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: my anxiety and all that kind of stuff like that.

892
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: And I think for those three months, however long I

893
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: was in Amsterdam two months, there was this moment of

894
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: it's my life and I'm leaving and doing it. Meanwhile,

895
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: I was under contract to write a script for Disney.

896
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: That's why I was there, So, I mean, it was

897
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: still a long chain that was attached to the parent company.

898
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: But I loved working for the parent company.

899
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: I did.

900
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: I loved all the benefits we got. I loved all

901
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: the people we met. I loved you know, I I

902
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: love the little thing. Hey, come on, we're going to

903
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: Disney World this time we're going to Disneyland. They're shutting

904
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: down the park. So I had a lot of issues

905
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: in my life when it came to I mean again,

906
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: when it comes to the anxiety, the more I learned

907
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: about it is, you know, it's a slight tick in

908
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: my fight or flight response, but for the vast majority

909
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: of what I was dealing with, it was genetic. It's

910
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: a chemical imbalance. So it was it wasn't what I

911
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: was going through in my life so much as what

912
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: I was going through in my life was altered by

913
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: my physiology. So unfortunately, this thing that was the most

914
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: wonderful thing of running out in front of an audience,

915
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: of entertaining them, all of a sudden became one of

916
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: the most frightening things I had to do, literally in

917
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: a millisecond, because when you have that first anxiety attack,

918
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: it changes everything, everything, your whole life. So it was

919
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: it wasn't Boymet's world that did it, you know, it was.

920
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: You see people nowadays, and we've all seen them in

921
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: news and in the news or in magazines or things

922
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: like that, where they seem to become unhinged for lack

923
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: of a better word, in their early twenties and that's

924
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: usually when, if it doesn't hit you very early, when

925
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: a mental illness will hit you as late teen's early twenties,

926
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: as your brain is starting to finish developing. So you

927
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: know it was to me When I look back, the

928
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: regret is not that I had the anxiety. That's who

929
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: I am, and it's made me who I am. And

930
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: if I woke up tomorrow with no anxiety, I'm not

931
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: sure I would know what to do. I've befriended it.

932
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: It's a warm blanket that I put on every day.

933
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: The thing that upsets me is that chocolate cake was

934
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: my favorite thing, and it changed the flavor. So I

935
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: loved Boy Mets World. I loved everything about it and

936
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: the idea that it didn't steal it from me my brain.

937
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, my brain is not my enemy. I'm I'm

938
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: in control of it. But it did alter it for me,

939
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: and that's a shame because it went from being the

940
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: most wonderful thing in the world to being scary, having

941
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: nothing to do with anything but my own physiology. So

942
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: that's that's what I deal with. I don't deal with

943
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: the same kind of we talk about unpacking. I was,

944
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: as writer said, I got away from you know, I

945
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: kind of carved my own niche niece for the Boy

946
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: Meets World fans out there. I carved my own niece

947
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: very early and just stuck with it, and I think

948
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: the producers and the writers respected that and let me

949
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: do my thing. And so that coupled with being with

950
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: writer and Danielle every day, being with Tony Quinn, you know,

951
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: in the early episodes, being in front of the audience.

952
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: Every time I look back at Boy, I smile, even

953
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: when even when we talk about some of these horrible

954
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: things that that have happened, and there are, but that's

955
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: you know, that's life, and you take them. And that's

956
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: when I look at Danielle and I look at Ryder.

957
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: They've taken the things that have happened to them and

958
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: made them the people they are. And there are two

959
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: people that I love almost more than anybody else on

960
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: the planet. So I wouldn't want to change anything they

961
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: went through because I don't want to change them. So

962
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: that's kind of that's how I look at it. I

963
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: think that is such a powerful way to look at it.

964
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 6: If chocolate cake was my favorite cake and it changed

965
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 6: the flavor, so now I think that's almost like a

966
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 6: perfect metaphor potentially for this podcast for you guys, is

967
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 6: that how it has felt for any of you is

968
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 6: that maybe a chocolate cake wasn't your favorite flavor, Boy

969
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 6: Meets World wasn't like the highlight of your life, but

970
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 6: it was this good thing, and doing the podcast has that,

971
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: you know, has there been more space created for the

972
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 6: parts of it as well.

973
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: I've always, i think, you know, part of maybe just

974
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: my personality or whatever, my experience Boy Meets World was

975
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: always sort of torturous for me in cert you know,

976
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: in certain regard, I've always been tortured by, uh, the experience.

977
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: So the podcast is actually just is if anything, made

978
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: it more positive because I'm sharing the experience and and

979
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: and reappreciating just the quality of the show, and appreciating

980
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: the quality the love of the fans, and and respecting,

981
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 3: you know, this part of my life that I ran

982
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: away from for so long. So for me like this

983
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: this is you know, therapeutic in a most mostly wholly

984
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: positive way. It's not, it's you know, so the unpacking

985
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: is like coming to terms with a lot of the

986
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: good things about Boy Meets World that I didn't allow

987
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: myself to feel out of us, I think a sense

988
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: of self preservation that fame, you know, the fame was

989
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: a source of trauma for me, and I felt out

990
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: of control. I felt like I did not get to

991
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: control my public identity from the age of thirteen on.

992
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: And contending with that has been very difficult because on

993
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: one hand, you know, and I know that this is

994
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: sort of a child actor thing, right, It's like, on

995
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: one hand, you want you want status back, like you

996
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: want to be acknowledged for something, for being good at

997
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: something or being you know, and you do you get

998
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: used to that, right, I got used to the idea

999
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: that people cared who right or strong was, and that

1000
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: if I wrote something, everybody would want to read it,

1001
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: or if I you know, and when you realize that

1002
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: that's not the case, it's hard, you know, And it's

1003
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: always been a difficult thing for me to both run

1004
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: away from Boymet's world but then also acknowledge that it's

1005
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: the source of a lot of great things in my life,

1006
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: a source of a lot of successful things in my

1007
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 3: life and things that I cherish. So yeah, so doing

1008
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: this podcast is kind of right up my alley as

1009
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: far as like the way I don't feel like I'm

1010
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm I'm rediscovering the good things about Bombing World ultimately,

1011
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't feel like i've I've always kind of

1012
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: taken a slightly negative view, and I know that's kind

1013
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: of hard for our fans to hear sometimes, and and

1014
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: I'm I apologize for in the past. I feel like

1015
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: I've you know, been disparaging about my own fans or

1016
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: our own fans because I'm I've been so insecure and

1017
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 3: I've run away from this part of my life. And

1018
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: I feel like, for me, the podcast is a way

1019
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: to embrace it and to confront it, and so it

1020
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: feels good. On the whole, it feels very good.

1021
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, on a somewhat related but slightly different layer, I

1022
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: have gone my entire life hearing and knowing how beloved

1023
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the show was, and I just accepted it at face value.

1024
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, that's so nice.

1025
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: Everybody loves the show. But I did not remember anything

1026
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: about it at all, And so I in my head

1027
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: was always like, I don't know why, but I don't

1028
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: need to know why.

1029
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. What we did was good. You think

1030
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: it was good. I accept that. I don't run away

1031
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: from it.

1032
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I am I am thrilled to have played a character

1033
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: that that is mostly beloved by a lot of people,

1034
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: like that's a wonderful thing. I will just say thank

1035
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: you and and say yes, isn't it great? But I

1036
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: never really knew why. This experience for me has been.

1037
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: Let's learn, let's learn what do you what?

1038
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: What?

1039
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 5: What is the thing?

1040
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 4: What are the things?

1041
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: What did we do?

1042
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: How come I don't remember what?

1043
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: What were?

1044
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: What were they?

1045
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: And then trying to embrace the positive and the negative

1046
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: memories and experiences that come with that.

1047
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: And to Will's point, I'm grateful for them both.

1048
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: I love I truly love them both, even even the

1049
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: bad ones that even that, even things that are like

1050
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: oh man, that must have been hard, and I'll cry

1051
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: thinking about it.

1052
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

1053
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: I don't want it to change. I just want to

1054
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: understand it.

1055
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: I just want to know the role it's played and

1056
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: who I am now because I I do so love

1057
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: my life and I want to to me, life is

1058
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: not interesting if you are not asking a million questions.

1059
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: And so that's what this has allowed us to do,

1060
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and to get to know myself better and to know

1061
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: the show better, and then also get to know the

1062
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: two of these gentlemen better, and for us to deepen

1063
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: our bonds and our relationships and reconnect with the people

1064
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: who had such a such a hand and shaping our

1065
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: memories and our childhoods and our lives.

1066
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: You know, what a what a gift.

1067
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I have a quick question for you both,

1068
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: because I've been curious about this. Do you think looking

1069
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: back at Boy Meets World, the way we are would

1070
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: be different for you both had Girl Meets World never happened.

1071
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, I mean Girl

1072
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: Girl Meets World was the sort of first version of

1073
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: doing this podcast for me where I could suddenly see

1074
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 3: the dynamic of our set at being recreated in a

1075
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: new context and see it as an adult. And I

1076
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 3: made huge realizations in the course of Girl Meets World, like, oh,

1077
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: that's the way we were talked to, that's the way

1078
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: we were treated that I that is not the way

1079
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: I thought it was, you know. And we can get

1080
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: into details about that, but I don't know if it's

1081
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: even worth it. But like, certainly, like I my brain

1082
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: went through a huge reconfiguration at the age of thirty

1083
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: three or whenever Girl Meets World started, where I had

1084
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: to like adjust my perspective on the people we had

1085
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: been working with and adjust my perspective on the environment

1086
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: of a set. I also think just being a director

1087
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: in general not only changed the way I think about,

1088
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, acting, like I've described, but also you realize

1089
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 3: how limited your view is as an actor, Like when

1090
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: an actor shows up on set, especially a kid actor,

1091
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: this this thing has been primed for them and everybody

1092
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 3: you know. And and so our worldview from Boy Meets World,

1093
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: which I didn't realize until I was older and until

1094
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: I took a step into the director's chair, is so limited,

1095
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: like it's such a small part of the entire production experience.

1096
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: And so having that awareness and being like, oh my god,

1097
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: my worldview from Boy Meets World was like just the

1098
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: tiniest liver of what was actually going going on, and

1099
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: that's that was. So that was the first step in

1100
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: that direction. And then I feel like, now that's mostly

1101
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of continuing that journey that kind

1102
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: of began with Girl Meets World.

1103
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: From me, yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. I agree with

1104
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: everything you just said. And also I can say from

1105
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: childhood Danielle's eyes, the adults we worked with were infallible.

1106
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: I took everything they said at face value and truth

1107
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: and therefore fact and thought only the highest things of

1108
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: everyone we worked with, only every single person. Everything had

1109
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: real rose colored glasses on, even when I was thirty

1110
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: three years old and looking back at it, and then

1111
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: when I went back to the set as an adult

1112
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: with all of these anticipations and expectations of what it

1113
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: was going to be and who they were and who

1114
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: we were going to be in this this recreated environment,

1115
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: and I was it.

1116
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: Was shocking and just shouldn't have been so shocking.

1117
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: What like, what you are?

1118
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: Some adults have no idea what's going on?

1119
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: And you are You are actually saying things that are untrue,

1120
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: but that is not the truth. Why would you say

1121
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 4: such things?

1122
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: You're telling the kids one thing and then doing it.

1123
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what we're talking about in the beginning.

1124
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, now I'm an adult. I'm an adult

1125
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 5: in the room too, as a fellow adult. What the

1126
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 5: hell is going on there?

1127
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 6: Correct?

1128
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: Correct?

1129
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: Correct?

1130
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: It's such a bizarre experience, and it was.

1131
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: It literally turned my little Boy meets World, turned my

1132
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: world completely upside down. And all of a sudden, the

1133
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: things that I the stories that I remembered, had this

1134
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: new lens on them of maybe that wasn't said with

1135
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: good intentions, Maybe that isn't actually the truth, maybe this

1136
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: person maybe, and.

1137
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 4: I became like, oh my gosh.

1138
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: So I think when we went into the podcast, we

1139
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: went into the podcast with this feeling of what will

1140
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: this reveal to us? And I have actually been very

1141
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised with what has come back, with what we've

1142
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: seen with overall everything that's gone on, it has been

1143
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: it's actually been very enjoyable and pleasant, and I am

1144
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: thrilled we've done it.

1145
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, Me too.

1146
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 5: I love that you asked that question well, because I

1147
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 5: think that is such a unique experience, similar to what

1148
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: Ryder was talking about with the play that he had done,

1149
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 5: of like getting to come back to it with these

1150
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 5: fresh eyes and like what that brings up positively and

1151
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 5: negatively and remembering too. Like we've been saying, it's like

1152
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 5: it's not all black and white. It's not all good

1153
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 5: or bad. It's like, as humans, we want so badly

1154
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 5: for it to be all good or all bad, because

1155
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: that makes sense, that's comfortable. But I feel like what

1156
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 5: this podcast has been doing is really strengthening the gray space,

1157
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 5: because that's usually a space.

1158
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: As humans that we avoid because.

1159
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: It's so like, I don't know what to do in

1160
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 5: this area, and this is just strengthening that area, so

1161
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 5: there's more space in there to grow and play.

1162
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: Yes, well, do you think it's change. Do you think

1163
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: Girl Meets were I know you had. You know, you're

1164
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: it's very limited, You're very limited, I know. But do

1165
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: you think it had any impact on you as well?

1166
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: Maybe not so, I mean maybe a little bit. I

1167
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: had the same experience with the adults. Yeah, but I

1168
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: also knew that the kids were different than we were

1169
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: because I remember saying to one of the producers on

1170
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: the show, the kids, at least the weeks I've been here,

1171
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: they almost never smile. And it was one of those

1172
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: things where I had these memories of us running around

1173
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: to the point where I then came back for an

1174
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: episode and they all lined up in front of me

1175
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: and put these big fake smiles on and they're like,

1176
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: is this better? Like they literally did it as a joke.

1177
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: But that also I attribute that to also kind of

1178
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: the self the quote unquote selfishness of the younger generation,

1179
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: just meaning you're always on your phone, you're always inside,

1180
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're always in your own little world

1181
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: as opposed to we were our worlds back then. We

1182
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: weren't on our cell phones. We weren't.

1183
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 4: We had to create our own fund.

1184
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: We did.

1185
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: We sat, We sat in our director's chairs and talked

1186
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: about books and movies. We fought about politics. We did

1187
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: all this. I was on the set of Girl Meets World,

1188
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: and you know, one actor would be in this corner

1189
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: on a phone, one actor be in that corner on

1190
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: his phone. They maybe talk as they walk by. It

1191
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: was just a whole different vibe. Yeah, And it was

1192
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: also just on a personal note, first time getting back

1193
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: on camera in front of an audience in years, So

1194
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: that was a whole other level of anxiety for me.

1195
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't have the same experience of on

1196
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: Girl Meet World as anybody did. I was there for

1197
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: a total of four episodes, and you know, popping in

1198
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: and out for that. So I was not as not

1199
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: to use this word, but tainted by girmyts World as

1200
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: the two of you were. It was just kind of

1201
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: a thing that I did and used it as a

1202
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: personal experience more than anything else where. It's like, all right,

1203
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm using this to get back on camera and I also.

1204
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: Still an actor. You know, we changed our actual role.

1205
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1206
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: I was a producer and an actor for every episode

1207
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: and director. I came in as a director first.

1208
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: It was yeah, well that's the only reason, like you,

1209
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: the only reason I did it is the deal was

1210
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: I got to write an episode if I could be free.

1211
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the writing was not a great experience.

1212
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: It was just being in the writer's room was not

1213
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: a not a great experience for me. And I know

1214
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: that's not the norm for all writers rooms, but this

1215
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: one wasn't wasn't great and it was. And the thing

1216
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: that's so odd is you take you can take seven

1217
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: or eight wonderful people who are in incredibly talented and

1218
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: put them in a room, and that experience is not

1219
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: the same as hanging out with them one on one

1220
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: or two at the time or something. It's just it

1221
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: changes the dynamic. Yeah, because the right the people that

1222
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: were there are some of my favorite people ever. You know,

1223
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: love Mark Blutman, love Manel. You know, I'm bless Matt Nelson,

1224
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: I miss Matt. You know, Randy, there's some writers up

1225
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: there that were just phenomenally talented and wonderful people. But

1226
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: then you put them in an environment that might not

1227
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: be conducive to let's throw around create you know, the

1228
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: best creative ideas, and it doesn't always go the way

1229
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: that it should. So yeah, Gromy's World was not an

1230
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: experience that My entire takeaway from Gromiy's World is getting

1231
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: back in front of an audience, looking up as I

1232
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: ran out through the audience the first time ever, them

1233
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: standing up and give me a standing ovation and seeing

1234
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: my wife crying.

1235
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: That's what I take.

1236
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: That's what I take from Gromiy's World because I was

1237
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: a wonderful memory for me and kind of the rest

1238
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: of it be damned, but I was not as involved

1239
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: with it as you guys were, which is why there's

1240
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: such a difference for me than there was for you.

1241
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 4: Well, and it's another thing. I mean, I wouldn't I

1242
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't change it either.

1243
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't change it because, for one thing,

1244
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: those rose colored glasses that I looked back on everything

1245
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: with didn't need to be there and and shouldn't have

1246
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: been there. And I'm glad to have seen things from

1247
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: a different lens and to have that lens on my life.

1248
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: And you know, also, I mean those that show brought me.

1249
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: Those children are still some of my favorite people in

1250
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: the entire world. I mean, Sabrina Carpenter is literally one

1251
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: of my best friends. She was a bridesmaid in my wedding.

1252
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 4: Like she is, she is one of the people I

1253
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: am closest to in the world. I'm you know.

1254
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Corey foglemanis is also somebody I am still very close with.

1255
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: And I love every single one of those children who

1256
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: are now full grown adults with children of their own.

1257
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: In some cases they're great kids. They're just great kids.

1258
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 4: Peyton does not have a kid, Kira, is there anything

1259
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 4: you We are nearing the end of our time with you,

1260
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 4: and so is there anything before we go that you

1261
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: really want to know or another question you'd like to

1262
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: ask us based on what you've learned so far, yess

1263
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: kind of to wrap it all up and come back

1264
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 4: to where we started with the parts.

1265
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: When you think back to.

1266
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 5: The whole experience on Boy Meets World and with all

1267
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 5: of the information you have now as adults and doing

1268
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 5: this podcast, what are the parts that you think needed

1269
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 5: to really come forward in Boy Meets World And what

1270
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 5: were the parts that like you take with you as

1271
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 5: an adult that king forward for Boy Meets World that

1272
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 5: now serve you as an adult as well.

1273
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: Well.

1274
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean right back to the beginning of the episode,

1275
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: when I was talking about things I'm unpacking in my

1276
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: own personal therapy.

1277
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: That's right up there, and I think it's very interesting.

1278
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: I've always described Topanga as being just on the other

1279
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: side of my heart, and I'm really not sure where.

1280
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about like a hippie Topanga, early Topanga,

1281
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: quirky Topanga, unique to Panga, was nothing like teenage Danielle.

1282
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: But as Tapanga evolved over the years, and as then

1283
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: Danielle has evolved over the years, there are parts of

1284
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: us that are just so tied together. I can't see

1285
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: where one starts and one ends, and I will be

1286
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: interested to see Tapanga is very much the type a

1287
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: person that Danielle is, and I will be interested to

1288
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: see when we get to some of those later episodes

1289
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: that I don't really remember, like the episode of Tapanga

1290
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: having a nervous breakdown because her parents get a divorce.

1291
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the conversation around it is, but

1292
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: it feels like, with little understanding I have of the

1293
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: parts of Danielle that are inside that I haven't tapped into.

1294
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: It feels as though Topanga has little parts of her

1295
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: that she also did not tap into, that she also

1296
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: protected with this kind of, you know, facade of let's

1297
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: just get things done and let's be this perfectionist. And

1298
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: so I want to I look forward to as I

1299
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: discover more about myself while watching Boy Meets World and

1300
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. I look forward to almost therapizing.

1301
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: Is that a word?

1302
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: Make it a word?

1303
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: I like the therapy of Tapanga and thinking about what

1304
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: Tapanga may have been repressing or not experiencing, or not

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Speaker 1: tapping into, or maybe seemed off the wall. Maybe what

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Speaker 1: somebody how she could have been helped in other ways.

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Speaker 5: So that would be such an interesting, like acting exercise

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Speaker 5: for actors to apply this together. Yeah, absolutely rich the

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Speaker 5: performance would be. That's such an interesting way of looking

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Speaker 5: at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, righter, do you want me to go? Do you

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Speaker 2: want to go?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I have an answer. Parts of gosh,

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Speaker 3: what was the question exactly?

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Speaker 5: Parts of myself, the parts of yourself that you think

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Speaker 5: really came forward because of Boy Meets World, but that

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Speaker 5: you find as an adult. Wow, that's a really to

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Speaker 5: keep it positive, that's a really helpful part that I

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Speaker 5: had to grow during that time and it really still

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Speaker 5: serves me as an adult.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, story and storytelling and ability to analyze. I learned

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Speaker 3: so much from you know, you know, the like what

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Speaker 3: is it like ten thousand hours of doing something. I

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Speaker 3: feel like just we got the ten thousand hours on

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Speaker 3: Boyle's World, and for me, it didn't end up translating

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Speaker 3: to acting it, but it did translate to writing and

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Speaker 3: directing and thinking about how to break down story to

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Speaker 3: understand beats and I, you know, Michael Jacobs was incredible

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Speaker 3: about sharing that information and sharing analysis and man am

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Speaker 3: I glad uh and then also the studio teachers that

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Speaker 3: we had. I discovered intellectualism, Like I discovered that like,

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Speaker 3: oh there's a you know, I got access to the

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Speaker 3: world of books and poetry and uh. And I'm realizing

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Speaker 3: that that wasn't a coincidence. It was built into boy

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Speaker 3: Mets World. It's literally every episode we're referencing Shakespeare or something,

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Speaker 3: the great work of literature. And so I don't think

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Speaker 3: it was a coincidence that that was part of that development.

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Speaker 3: And I've always thought of those things as separate. I

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Speaker 3: always thought that, like I ran away to college. You know,

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Speaker 3: I ended up a Columbia kind of keeping my head

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Speaker 3: down and just going to classes and not acting. But

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Speaker 3: in retrospect, that was part of the same journey. Actually,

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Speaker 3: there was there was a There was this sort of

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Speaker 3: like little writer, you know, who was this budding want

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Speaker 3: to be intellectual because of Boy Meets World, because of

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Speaker 3: what our set engendered, uh, you know, in front of

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Speaker 3: the camera and behind the camera. And so I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate that and I'm carrying that into my own writing

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Speaker 3: and now I teach and and directing. It's it's I

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Speaker 3: use it all the time, and I'm so grateful for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it cannot I mean, that's just what an opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The thing I took with me from Boy Meets World

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Speaker 2: is the harsh and wonderful realization that all of this

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Speaker 2: is temporary. So let the beauty wash over you when

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Speaker 2: it's there, because eventually none of this matters anymore. So

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Speaker 2: for all of us. You got to love while we can,

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Speaker 2: and love the people that are around us, and our

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Speaker 2: friends and our family, and you're gonna have moments that

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Speaker 2: are incredible and moments that aren't so good, and they

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Speaker 2: all make you who you are and and then it's over,

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Speaker 2: So enjoy it. Why you can? I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that can be a powerful for me.

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Speaker 5: I know that is a helpful outlook when the anxiety

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Speaker 5: takes over, when depression takes over, things take over. It's

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Speaker 5: like remembering, like you said, zooming out, being like this

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Speaker 5: is a blip in the in the universe, and just

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Speaker 5: cherish what is good and ride through the waves of what's.

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Speaker 2: Not so good. Yeah. Well, I mean when I when

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Speaker 2: I listen to Writer and Danielle, a lot of times

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Speaker 2: when they talk about their biggest regret, it's not being

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Speaker 2: able to it's wanting to go back and tell themselves

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Speaker 2: to relax and enjoy it more. Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 2: that's one of the things. I think that's an important thing,

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Speaker 2: is enjoy the moment you're in, even the bad ones.

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Speaker 2: You might not enjoy it today, but it's going to

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Speaker 2: matter to you. It's going to mean something. So we

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Speaker 2: need the bad to have the good. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kira, thank you so much for being here with

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Speaker 1: us and sharing your wisdom. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: every episode. I I'm so happy you were here with

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Speaker 1: us for this.

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Speaker 4: You were the perfect person. I mean you really were.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't have found a more perfect person to help

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Speaker 1: guide this episode for us. So I will give all

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Speaker 1: of your socials and everything. Kira can be found on

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Speaker 1: social media platforms at Kira k I E r A

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Speaker 1: m U s c A r A. Did I say

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Speaker 1: your name right?

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Speaker 4: Kira Muscara, Kira Muscara Pretty Muscarra. Yeah, I'd like to

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Speaker 4: make lair on it. It's like the makeup Okay. So

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Speaker 4: everyone wants to make it rhyme or do something just

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Speaker 4: Kira list.

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Speaker 1: I get the same thing Danielle Fischell. People want to

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Speaker 1: say and I go, oh, it doesn't rhyme, It doesn't rhyme.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's just Danielle Fisher.

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Speaker 2: Everyone gets right all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil Freedom, super Phil Freedom. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, Kira can be found on social media platforms at

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Speaker 1: Kira Muscarra, Mascara and online at Kira Muscara dot com.

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Speaker 1: And we want to alert everyone of nine to eight eight,

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: which is a number you can now dial as the

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Speaker 1: National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. It is a great general

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: resource for anyone seeking urgent mental health support. And Kira

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Speaker 1: recommends Psychology Today dot com Alma and Headway for anyone

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Speaker 1: who is looking for a therapist of their own. So, Kira,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Everyone go give her a follow

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Speaker 1: and yeah, thank you for being here with us. Everyone

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Speaker 1: as always, Thank you, Kia.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, thank you guys so much for having me and

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Speaker 5: for just keeping the conversation open throughout the whole experience.

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Speaker 3: Come back for season three. We'll just keep doing it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe how much we just talked.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there will only be more unpack on when

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Speaker 2: you do come back. I think you by this point

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Speaker 2: you've realized with how much we talk, we each get

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Speaker 2: about one question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're gonna go off. I'm sure maybe

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Speaker 3: we should do individual therapy sessions with Kara. We should

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Speaker 3: just do an episode. That's just.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much, Kira, Thank.

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Speaker 2: Bye, bye bye. Well that was fun.

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Speaker 3: We talked a lot.

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Speaker 2: That was the That was the roller coaster equivalent of

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Speaker 2: the Goofy Sky School.

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Speaker 3: Were you tense? Were intense?

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Speaker 5: Will?

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Speaker 2: I was? Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I just it's I just it's very it's a personal thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just a very personal thing. Therapy. So

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Speaker 2: the idea of you know, talking about boy Metrol and

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Speaker 2: putting in the context of boy Metrol is different for

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Speaker 2: me than sitting down and you know, you have a

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Speaker 2: bond with your therapist. And I didn't know this woman,

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Speaker 2: and she's wonderful, but it's it's kind of like, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about some of your stuff now. To everybody,

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Speaker 2: it's just I don't know, it's weird to me.

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Speaker 4: Will doesn't like to talk to people about politics. Uh, therapy, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: money makes yeah, don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm an open wound. I've just you know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons I've only gone to therapy a

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Speaker 3: couple of times and never for anything any extended period

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Speaker 3: of time. And I think it's partly because I'm always

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Speaker 3: therapizing my therapy.

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Speaker 4: That's the word I came up with, therapus.

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Speaker 3: I am constantly, you know, and I think, much to

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Speaker 3: the dismay of my wife and my friends in my life,

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Speaker 3: I'm always like psychoanalyzing myself and discussing it. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I should probably compartmentalize that and actually pay somebody to

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful if you find the right person. It's absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: And I again I did it for a finite amount

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Speaker 2: of time when I had my when anxiety is really

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Speaker 2: bad a couple of years. But it was great. It's

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Speaker 2: just you're sitting there, somebody's you know, somebody who's trained

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Speaker 2: to do it, is sitting and listening to you talk

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Speaker 2: and analyz. It's really helpful. It's really helpful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm loving it and writer to your point,

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Speaker 1: I am also like always questioning always, but truthfully, there

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Speaker 1: have been things that I reached a point where I.

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Speaker 4: Was like, I don't have an answer to this. I

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Speaker 4: don't know why I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm questioning. I'm going like what what is this? Where

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Speaker 1: are these emotions coming from?

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Speaker 4: Where? What is this happening?

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Speaker 1: Like I had a total wall about certain things like

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Speaker 1: and behavior i'd like to change where I like to

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Speaker 1: think I could just power through it and mind over

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Speaker 1: matter and change this behavior, but like occurring behavior that

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Speaker 1: I just can't seem to change, and so it's like

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Speaker 1: I obviously need help for that. And it's so it's

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Speaker 1: been truly, it's been truly incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's also there's things that you don't recognize in

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Speaker 2: yourself that you need somebody else to point out to

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Speaker 2: you where it's like I didn't even know that I

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Speaker 2: was doing that. It's like, yeah, you you are, and

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Speaker 2: you can talk about that too. So self realization. Self

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Speaker 2: actualization is absolutely wonderful, but occasionally need somebody who's just

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Speaker 2: staring at the painting to go, like, we need to

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Speaker 2: talk about this part too.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, It's exactly right. Well, thank you all

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Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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