Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson and I Hurt Radio podcast. Everybody, We're back and uh,
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. I Hurt Radio
Speaker 1: one eleven Productions. We are joined by Riley pelusis h
Speaker 1: Danielle Romo, and we have a bathing a person who's
Speaker 1: sunning right now. Sound normal, you sound like you're far away,
Speaker 1: you sound like you're a country. It's okay, It's okay.
Speaker 1: But I love this episode. Did you love it? Did
Speaker 1: you love it? I? Um? I did? I did. It
Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable in many places, but you know, here again,
Speaker 1: I'm being reformed by the witchcraft and the artistry of
Speaker 1: the creators here because I'm coming around to Paris. I'm
Speaker 1: really sympathizing with hers. And yes, this is Harris is shining. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I thought she had a wonderful Liza had a
Speaker 1: wonderful performance in this and she had some very funny,
Speaker 1: daring and endearing moments. Um and the kids stuff I
Speaker 1: thought took over the show. And uh, and I like
Speaker 1: the kids stuff as much as I didn't like it before.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was just two kids heavy. I
Speaker 1: liked this episodeft to me it's not like attify kids
Speaker 1: stuff loraa lyon Emily and I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: get you know, it was a full circle thing, but
Speaker 1: it's like, could you just, you know, be a little
Speaker 1: nicer to your mom. She's just, you know, she's getting
Speaker 1: older now and she's trying, at least she's trying. Let's
Speaker 1: start with okay stuff because we'll do the kids stuff later,
Speaker 1: because I think that was for me so major the
Speaker 1: things that happened. So let's let's go with the spot.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Emily buying it up, the auction,
Speaker 1: inviting lore La Laurel I thinks it's just for her.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the whole whole set up
Speaker 1: and premise of that. I think I think Emily is
Speaker 1: looking for an excuse to get out of the house,
Speaker 1: to get away from Richard A. I think she wants
Speaker 1: to have Obviously, she was thinking about and been ruminating
Speaker 1: about having a real relationship and being jealous of Laurelized
Speaker 1: relationship with Rory as it turns out, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to have a closer relationship with her daughter and probably
Speaker 1: had all of the same recurring thoughts, uh that anybody
Speaker 1: in that situation would have. Is it's too late to
Speaker 1: have a relationship with somebody after so many years, and
Speaker 1: we didn't establish this thing young. And how did Laurela
Speaker 1: I do it with Rory, you know, I know how
Speaker 1: she did it, and it's my fault, and I pushed
Speaker 1: her out. So I've got to try extra hard to
Speaker 1: get close to my own daughter. And it's just they're
Speaker 1: so alienated from one another, and they're just look, it's
Speaker 1: just old school versus new school. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: my my daughter's my best friend versus I'm a role
Speaker 1: model for my daughter. You know, it's it's it's important
Speaker 1: how we behave in front of our children because they
Speaker 1: look up to us. So you know, it's it's half
Speaker 1: of half a dozen, six of another, right, So what
Speaker 1: was Yeah, what was telling for me was I agree
Speaker 1: with you. And for the first you know, of the episode,
Speaker 1: I really was like Laura La is being just not sweet,
Speaker 1: like not it's not polite even But I was team
Speaker 1: Emily the whole time until the end when I felt like,
Speaker 1: and I'm no armchair therapist, her narcissism really came out
Speaker 1: because Laura I did nothing wrong and Emily turned it
Speaker 1: and blamed that whole dance her Emily getting all stressed
Speaker 1: out about that on Laura Lia and I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: that was gnarly and that's why Lorela has so many
Speaker 1: issues with Emily. Woy Wow, um, that was gnarly. I
Speaker 1: just thought, whoa to add on to Amy's point, also,
Speaker 1: she was kind of tricked into this weekend getaway. It
Speaker 1: was very much positioned as a massage. You know, like Laura,
Speaker 1: I do you wanna do you want to take it?
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, of course, Well the gift
Speaker 1: certificates for two, you know, and then she like was like,
Speaker 1: so I'm coming, and so you know, it's not what
Speaker 1: Laura I signed up for. She kind of got tricked
Speaker 1: into it a little bit. Man, I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think that didn't bother me as much as
Speaker 1: the end? Scott, what do you think it bothered me?
Speaker 1: Everything about how Laurel I was reacting before they got
Speaker 1: to the spa, and even when they got to the
Speaker 1: spa was bugging me. You know. It certainly hit its
Speaker 1: stride when they look it's always better to watch two
Speaker 1: people coming together than it is for people to be
Speaker 1: in conflict, unless it's you know, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: for me, conflict in film and television, there's a place
Speaker 1: for real conflict, and that is, you know, deep into
Speaker 1: the second act if it's in film, and that's where
Speaker 1: the real conflict is. It was an interesting trajectory because
Speaker 1: first I completely agree with you that lorel I was
Speaker 1: taking it too far, like just stop being so bratty
Speaker 1: and enjoy this even if your mom is talking your
Speaker 1: ear off. Then I thought, okay, Phase two was Wow,
Speaker 1: they were jamming, you know what I mean. They decided
Speaker 1: to get out of there and go to the stake
Speaker 1: dinner and they're getting along and you know, the the
Speaker 1: vicious trollop Lips said, the whole thing these two are. Now,
Speaker 1: these two are really getting along, and I love the
Speaker 1: sitting at the bar, they're enjoying their meal, and they
Speaker 1: were just besties. It was. It was a great camaraderie
Speaker 1: they had. And then I thought, oh wow, that took
Speaker 1: a very strange turn that Emily blamed Laureli for something
Speaker 1: that Lorelei had nothing to do with, which just reeks
Speaker 1: of narcissism to me, Like I was like, whoa, which
Speaker 1: brought me full circle of why Lorelai is so mm
Speaker 1: hmm towards Emily. That was But I don't know that
Speaker 1: Emily is holding out hope that that Laurela turns more
Speaker 1: into a person that she can relate to, like somebody
Speaker 1: that's like her, right, And I think she holds this
Speaker 1: hope out because this is my daughter. She had the
Speaker 1: country club life until she was sixteen and made the
Speaker 1: quote unquote mistake and the decision of her life that
Speaker 1: altered her whole life. But she's still very lovable and
Speaker 1: still a great character whole thing. But you know, and
Speaker 1: then you have on the other the other side of
Speaker 1: the coin is you've got Laureli trying to pull the
Speaker 1: steel rod out of Emily's butt. And that's really what
Speaker 1: that episode was about. It's like, I'm going to reverse
Speaker 1: the psychology here. I'm not my mom. My mom manipulated
Speaker 1: me into this, and now I'm gonna now I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, de steal rod my mom here, and she's
Speaker 1: everything just got taken too far. I was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I loved I loved all the bonding. I love that
Speaker 1: they were getting together. I love that they were enjoying
Speaker 1: each other's company. I love that they were you know,
Speaker 1: you saw that they really were a mother daughter in
Speaker 1: those moments, they don't seem like mother and daughter. They
Speaker 1: seemed like complete strangers when they are in conflict. I
Speaker 1: really want to hear what your opinion was of the
Speaker 1: final moments, you know, really where after she dances with
Speaker 1: the amazing by the way, wasn't he great? Wasn't he
Speaker 1: just smooth and cool and great? Yeah? Our friend, that
Speaker 1: was our friend, Bernie Miller just there, Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: He was perfect. And I believe I don't want to misspeak,
Speaker 1: but it might have been an uncredited appearance. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he was in the credits at the beginning, so
Speaker 1: we need to fact check that maybe, Riley. But I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear what I think he might have just
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's fact check that because I tried
Speaker 1: to figure it out. So but I really want to
Speaker 1: hear from the three of you what you thought at
Speaker 1: the end when Emily freaked out. Obviously she suddenly felt
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because he was sort of charming her, and then
Speaker 1: there was the sort of more slow dance romantic, and
Speaker 1: she freaked And I just thought it was so fascinating
Speaker 1: that she blamed Laura Lae, And I just want to
Speaker 1: hear what you guys say, because for me, that was
Speaker 1: just so jarring and just reeked creaked of narcissism. I
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening? Yeah, I would say I
Speaker 1: definitely it was definitely jarring when she blamed Laura Lae.
Speaker 1: But I do think there was something behind it. Here
Speaker 1: she is, like, you know, dancing, this guy has her cheek,
Speaker 1: his cheek right up next to hers. She felt a
Speaker 1: sense of not love, that's but like yearning for that.
Speaker 1: Like I like, when I was watching that, I was like,
Speaker 1: Emily wants that so bad. He made her feel young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made her feel young and and special, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And and I think Emily was craving
Speaker 1: that so in that in that specific scene, I felt
Speaker 1: kind of bad. I was just kind of like, she
Speaker 1: wants is so bad. She wants to feel this way
Speaker 1: and she's not. And here she is as Rando is
Speaker 1: making her feel this way, and she she you know,
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable because of it because it's some somebody she's
Speaker 1: not close to um well and of her era, her
Speaker 1: era totally, it's not very taboo. She's like, I practically
Speaker 1: cheated on him for the world she comes from. That
Speaker 1: is for absolutely perfect word for it, right, whereas our
Speaker 1: our eras like, yeah, it was just a little polarizing
Speaker 1: of a scene for me because I hated the reaction afterwards,
Speaker 1: But prior to her yelling at Lorela, I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, Emily, I think that excuse me. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that reaction at the end, with
Speaker 1: her blaming Laurea La and getting angry at Lorela was
Speaker 1: less narcissism and more PTSD from the entire the entire relationship,
Speaker 1: because you could, in some fashion say, and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be Dr kim here Um, that that relationship
Speaker 1: from Emily's perspective is abusive. She's she's absorbing abuse and
Speaker 1: she just I totally see that. But I felt Emily
Speaker 1: was abusive to Lorelai at the end. I was like,
Speaker 1: I literally don't know why I'm so barn she take
Speaker 1: how much can she take? But I thought, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to interrupt, And I know this upsets fans and
Speaker 1: and you're and you're making it very valid, but it's
Speaker 1: just that you know how much abuse can Emily take
Speaker 1: from her daughter, who she's trying to give a wonderful
Speaker 1: weekend too, And then realizing that I Emily am overbearing, overbearing, right,
Speaker 1: and Laureli is making me feel like I'm overbearing. It's
Speaker 1: like she throws her out of the room, pushes her
Speaker 1: out of the room, smacks on the door and says
Speaker 1: silent room or quiet room. It's just it's so rude.
Speaker 1: And I think she popped at the end because of
Speaker 1: all the accumulated snippy comments and condescending quips and and
Speaker 1: the lack of appreciation coming from her own daughter. And
Speaker 1: not that I expect Laurel I to be in lockstep
Speaker 1: with Emily's world and be comfortable with it. Uh, but
Speaker 1: just show a little respect for God's sake. She's taking
Speaker 1: you out on a weekend. I think you're right, but
Speaker 1: I still have the butt. I still have the butt
Speaker 1: because for me, it was like, okay, you're completely right,
Speaker 1: how Lord I was asking at the spot, but I
Speaker 1: felt like they resolved it in the bedroom of the
Speaker 1: you know, in or spa whatever it is, whether you know,
Speaker 1: put it on the lipsticks and all that and now
Speaker 1: so wait, I forgive me. Was the stealing of the
Speaker 1: rogues after the melt down. Okay, so she melts down
Speaker 1: and they decided to leave early and they kind of
Speaker 1: have have a resolution again by stealing, so they you know,
Speaker 1: I guess my thing is they have so many ups
Speaker 1: and downs, just like their relationship. It's like, first you're right,
Speaker 1: lordly was inappropriate. Then they resolved it vicious Trollope, let's
Speaker 1: go get the steak. We're gonna eat the nuts. She's
Speaker 1: eating the peanuts by the way, sidebar, did anybody other
Speaker 1: than me think about the fact that you're never supposed
Speaker 1: to eat the peanuts at a bar? I did the bowl?
Speaker 1: Did you think about you see one of my favorite pastimes?
Speaker 1: And how longer? Well? Yeah, in this day and age,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go anywhere or do anything right
Speaker 1: but her medically sealed suit on. Supposedly, the peanuts in
Speaker 1: a bar are like the gernyest, dirtiest thing, and I
Speaker 1: don't can I can I have permission to be like
Speaker 1: totally gross? Of course? Of course? People, yes, Danielle, where
Speaker 1: did we see this? Because people go to the bathroom
Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails now saying could you people
Speaker 1: be more vile and gross? Please? Thank you. Here's so
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with the peanuts because you track and
Speaker 1: eat the inside. Those were already shelled, and she was
Speaker 1: just reaching her hand and eating them, and so they
Speaker 1: that what happens is it's a shared bowl and people
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom and come back and stick their
Speaker 1: hand in the pan and you get peanuts. That's what
Speaker 1: this podcast was missing. Thank you, thank you, I you
Speaker 1: there you go. This is exactly this is. You've just
Speaker 1: hit a home run. This is let's do a whole
Speaker 1: section on this. Let's do a new segment. We'll do
Speaker 1: filthy public places. Why don't we do that. The whole
Speaker 1: time she was eating the peanuts, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: like Emily, I don't think you should be eating those peanuts.
Speaker 1: There's poopy peanuts in there. Don't do it. Here's a
Speaker 1: thought that just popped into my little head. Uh. I
Speaker 1: don't think Emily was yelling at Laurel. I. I think
Speaker 1: she was yelling at a younger version of herself. I
Speaker 1: think she was. I think Laurel I held a mirror
Speaker 1: up to her own mother, and Emily didn't like it.
Speaker 1: And I think that to me, that was like of
Speaker 1: the years lost with my daughter, of the way that
Speaker 1: I am. I think she regretted every single part of
Speaker 1: how she was raised. Her her marriage with how her
Speaker 1: marriage has probably deteriorated with Richard because they don't really
Speaker 1: they used to. They used to go skinny dipping in
Speaker 1: Thailand after eating spicy food and getting drunk when they
Speaker 1: were young and having great sex and all. That's that's
Speaker 1: not her life anymore now. She had a little reminder
Speaker 1: of that through the very charismatic and smooth how Lindon
Speaker 1: and who could resist? Right? What? What a what a
Speaker 1: smooth character? Um? And I think she was more upset
Speaker 1: with how her life has become and was taking it
Speaker 1: out on Laureli. But Laurel I kind of deserved it
Speaker 1: after after absorbing so many blows from Lorela in the
Speaker 1: beginning of that whole episode. Um, I like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because I think that was lost. That was her anger
Speaker 1: towards Laurela. What it was just the loss of her life.
Speaker 1: It's just a person getting older and missing how she
Speaker 1: used to be. There was definitely more to it. The
Speaker 1: meltdown was way too extreme for it to just be her.
Speaker 1: It wasn't too extreme for it to just be like
Speaker 1: how London freaked me out or I'm I'm like residually
Speaker 1: mad at Lorelai wait now I have won more how London?
Speaker 1: But wait before you do that. It's like maybe the
Speaker 1: situation and an upset her so much has something to
Speaker 1: do with it. Factor in this uh made her realize
Speaker 1: that she didn't love Richard as much anymore because if
Speaker 1: she did that dance never would have happened. She would
Speaker 1: not have been in that situation. That's an interesting question. Like, Danielle,
Speaker 1: you're married, So if a man came up to you
Speaker 1: like that, like you, you, Riley and me are out
Speaker 1: and a man, a Debonair man comes up and asked
Speaker 1: you to dance? Would you do it? Look, I think
Speaker 1: everyone has a different marriage, right, But like if you're
Speaker 1: asking me what I would do, I'm cool to do
Speaker 1: a little dance, you a little tal sure, why not?
Speaker 1: But I do think it depends on who you are.
Speaker 1: And Emily Gilmore that does not fly. So I think
Speaker 1: it just, you know, kind of depends. But what is
Speaker 1: your take on that accepted the dance? M hmm. That's
Speaker 1: not her, that's not her character. That's that's laurelize evil influence.
Speaker 1: That's like laurel I manipulated into a bar eating peanuts,
Speaker 1: a martini, eating steak at the bar and then a
Speaker 1: smooth guy comes and he was sitting with another woman
Speaker 1: while he was scoping out Emily. Okay, thank you Scott, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you for mentioning that. That was what I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, did like did he did a
Speaker 1: girl for Emily? And I thought they almost were holding
Speaker 1: hands in the background because I kept my eye on
Speaker 1: that holendon and was like, what is happening? And then
Speaker 1: I thought maybe he was going to say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's my daughter, Like he didn't even acknowledge that woman
Speaker 1: and he that blew my mind. He's either a bar fly,
Speaker 1: right because he said he's that's you know, his name
Speaker 1: is on that bar stool, or he owns the place.
Speaker 1: I thought. The next thing out of his mouth was
Speaker 1: gonna I'm the owner of the bar. Oh I thought
Speaker 1: he was. I thought he was going to be the
Speaker 1: owner of the bar. Maybe he's the owner of the bar,
Speaker 1: that's why he's there so much. Quick tidbit, it was
Speaker 1: an uncredited did that? Just can you explain that quickly
Speaker 1: before we take a break? Will you explain like what
Speaker 1: that means credited? Like is that sometimes a big name
Speaker 1: does it because they're friends with somebody like what would
Speaker 1: what would uncredited mean? Just just he didn't want to
Speaker 1: be appear in the credits. He didn't. He just wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, just to do it and have fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Different actors, you know, they're different. And
Speaker 1: do you get paid if you're uncredited? Of course? Of course, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you would still get paid. You just are like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like it's almost like being anonymous because
Speaker 1: because credits, you know, that's a whole separate negotiation in
Speaker 1: the in the in the back and forth, it's money
Speaker 1: and then credit and how your name is going to appear,
Speaker 1: and how Lindon or what number in the order name
Speaker 1: says they appear, how large the name is going to
Speaker 1: be in relation to the series regularism. I guess you
Speaker 1: kind of like it because if you do watch credits,
Speaker 1: which I'm a person that does, you would have seen
Speaker 1: like special guests how Lindon, and then you would have
Speaker 1: been sort of waiting for him where it was such
Speaker 1: a nice surprise for You're like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: Bernie Miller. I'm getting that right, right, how Lindes Bernie Miller? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was. Yeah, um, but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: I wasn't so I was really taken with I mean,
Speaker 1: Emily really sucked me in with the great acting while
Speaker 1: she was dancing with him, and then especially slow dancing.
Speaker 1: But when he grabbed her hand and pulled her, she
Speaker 1: went to him. It wasn't just him pulling her. She
Speaker 1: did go to him and she put her arm when
Speaker 1: she was a little drunk. Right, let's just say she
Speaker 1: had a couple of drinks. She was having a good time,
Speaker 1: she was feeling good, she was vibing with her daughter
Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time. That's like
Speaker 1: totally unexpected, right, And here she was with this this
Speaker 1: this attractive smooth gentleman um and and you know, dancing
Speaker 1: a nice twirlie dance, you know, and you know he
Speaker 1: did this, he did the thing to her that you know,
Speaker 1: those those bar flies do. They pick on a somebody
Speaker 1: who's had a couple of drinks and then they get
Speaker 1: him in a fast dance and twirl them around and
Speaker 1: get them all dizzy and then do a slow dance
Speaker 1: and moving for the kill. Right. So unfortunately, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a move. Yeah, it's a it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a chess game. Out there in the bars. It's
Speaker 1: a chess game. I wouldn't know that. I didn't freaquent
Speaker 1: them um after the age of five. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I love that that Lore like gave the bar a
Speaker 1: name I've never heard before, because I've heard cougar bar
Speaker 1: and obviously like singles bar, but that it was a sixty.
Speaker 1: It's more like a right, let's let's let's be real.
Speaker 1: But it's a l A you know, I mean, what
Speaker 1: an episode. I know we have to take a break,
Speaker 1: but it's like, I could talk about this half of
Speaker 1: the episode. Do you know how any bar managers and
Speaker 1: restaurant managers there are in l A that instruct their
Speaker 1: staff not to say your granddaughter is lovely because they say, listen,
Speaker 1: that's their girlfriend. Don't say it because the because your
Speaker 1: tips will go Danielle. Okay, you guys. I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: guys one story. I won't name the celebrity, but we
Speaker 1: were at a concert with a bunch of celebrities and
Speaker 1: a very famous celebrity was with his girlfriend now wife
Speaker 1: at the time, and another celebrity we saw it happen
Speaker 1: literally went up to him and was like, oh, is
Speaker 1: this your daughter? And he's like, no, that's my girlfriend, Danielle.
Speaker 1: Do you remember it? I'm I'm jogging my memory. It
Speaker 1: was at festival in Vegas, and I love I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a famous act. Yeah, you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: with that. At the break, I'll tell you people will
Speaker 1: there are lip readers that that that they'll they'll pick
Speaker 1: up on it and then won't be in trouble. It
Speaker 1: was so amazingly uncomfortable but yet amazing. And then somebody
Speaker 1: else was like, oh my god, did you hear that?
Speaker 1: Did you hear what just happened? And I just was like,
Speaker 1: you know the emoji where the guy's hand is a
Speaker 1: but listen, you know it's She was completely um. She
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it unless she was open to it,
Speaker 1: unless she had some deep feelings about her own marriage
Speaker 1: and her own life. She would not have done that,
Speaker 1: you know. But she was happy, She was vulnerable, she
Speaker 1: was she was happy. And I had a couple of
Speaker 1: drinks in her and she's with her daughter and the
Speaker 1: first time there, you know, they're in a long time.
Speaker 1: They're really enjoying each other's company, genuinely enjoying each other.
Speaker 1: You're right, they really were. Then it just took a
Speaker 1: weird boy. They just toyed with us on that one. Right,
Speaker 1: that whole thing was so complicated and so interested. I'm
Speaker 1: so interested, you know. I love hearing your perspective because
Speaker 1: I was so like, wow, what is this? We just
Speaker 1: went on a roll? Are close to ride with these two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the ultimate end, which I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: at least we have some peace at the end with
Speaker 1: the Robes feeling and Lorela agrees to leave because obviously
Speaker 1: Emily was just feeling so guilty. I think too. But
Speaker 1: look now we now we have somewhere to go in
Speaker 1: the next episode, right, that's what they want to They
Speaker 1: don't want to tie it up. They want to keep
Speaker 1: it loose man um. So that that was very, very compelling.
Speaker 1: I I was uncomfortable, but maybe you were supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the intention. Yeah. I don't like being
Speaker 1: uncomfortable watching that show. I do. I love it. Wait,
Speaker 1: so Scott, should we come back and then we have
Speaker 1: the entire other half to break down, which I freaking
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear what you think? We have the
Speaker 1: kiddy show? Right? We got the kids? Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. All Right, we're gonna take a little break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back and we will we know these two
Speaker 1: names over no when it was the second one is
Speaker 1: probably right right right? Oh my god, hysterical. We just
Speaker 1: we just we have a screen on the right here,
Speaker 1: and Danielle says to everyone, there's one question mark, there's
Speaker 1: one famous person. And then she says, O MG, and
Speaker 1: the names it's just yes, okay, that's really funny. That's
Speaker 1: really funny. That's really anyway. We'll be back after these words.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we're back. We're going to discuss the
Speaker 1: kiddie show. Which was it was It was quite um,
Speaker 1: it was quite intertwining, wasn't it. It was quite complex? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean they had Paris, they had it was five
Speaker 1: it was five people or no, I'm sorry, is it
Speaker 1: five or four? No, it's four people. It was it
Speaker 1: was two girls, two guys. It was a Dean, Jess,
Speaker 1: Liza or or Paris. And I mean, break it down,
Speaker 1: break it down. What did you think and what's your
Speaker 1: takeaway from it all? I felt really bad for Dean.
Speaker 1: I mean he's just getting he's just getting smacked around. Man.
Speaker 1: That pork's walking into some bad scenes. Um, listen. I
Speaker 1: think that I think that Rory is in a really
Speaker 1: tough spot. I mean, she's got a couple of pretty
Speaker 1: special guys that are nuts about her. Yeah. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: got Dean, who's a special guy. He's for who he is.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty spectacular boyfriend and he's a spectacular guy. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think he's yeah, he's just I think he's
Speaker 1: getting to the end of it. Man. I think he's
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, it's because she's slipping away and I'm
Speaker 1: just tired of this and he's tired of getting mad.
Speaker 1: It's just so uncomfortable. So let's say she did she
Speaker 1: did would lie, she did lie, and I get why
Speaker 1: but to protect his feelings. But now he's feeling like
Speaker 1: she's treating me, like she's hiding something from me. A
Speaker 1: and B. She doesn't respect me, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: why she's lying to me. Okay, So can I ask
Speaker 1: you questions and then you tell me your thoughts, because
Speaker 1: first I want to know what did you think when
Speaker 1: First of all, what did you think of the fact
Speaker 1: that she didn't want to hang with that she would
Speaker 1: rather I think that's perfectly normal, and I think that's
Speaker 1: perfectly normal and I think, you know, it's that's just
Speaker 1: not a girl thing. Guys do that too, They don't
Speaker 1: want to hang with their girlfriends sometimes. So why is
Speaker 1: it a big deal when a guy, you know, when
Speaker 1: a girl just wants to I just need the house.
Speaker 1: It's I don't get the house to myself. I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of laundry I gotta do. And she was
Speaker 1: even open with him in detail about how she likes
Speaker 1: to fold the laundry, you know, exposing herself too, So
Speaker 1: I mean that's intimacy. She was being intimate with him.
Speaker 1: She wasn't b s in him. So yes, take your work,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to work out that so we
Speaker 1: don't see any What did you think when knock knock,
Speaker 1: knock Jeff shows up at the door with all the
Speaker 1: food from Live in Cool. I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: I hate to say this. It felt a little contrived
Speaker 1: to me. But you because I saw it coming. You
Speaker 1: knew it was coming. And I think, but I think,
Speaker 1: I think in a story like this, when you've got
Speaker 1: the kiddies there and you've got the opportunity, you've got
Speaker 1: to take the opportunity because what what is going to be?
Speaker 1: You know, what is going to be the most how
Speaker 1: do we complicate this situation again? And here we go
Speaker 1: and this is how we're doing it. So I I
Speaker 1: really wasn't. I was okay with it, and I liked it,
Speaker 1: and I was glad he was there because I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: now it's going to start getting interesting. And but we
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be Dean's gonna get
Speaker 1: really piste. So I think what they're doing is they're
Speaker 1: just drawing these two together, this Dean and Jesting. They're
Speaker 1: just drawing them. They're they're creating more and more pressure,
Speaker 1: more and more conflict for probably an inevitable, inevitable blow
Speaker 1: up um and then a decision. Decisions are gonna have
Speaker 1: to be made. And I love the fact that that
Speaker 1: Paris forced everybody's forcing their way into two Rory's life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like all three of them. It's like
Speaker 1: Paris shows up. I sorry I didn't call, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, my dad and he's back and he and
Speaker 1: I thought it was very funny the way she detailed
Speaker 1: how they went through the actual accounting about the cost
Speaker 1: of divorce, about the cost of stay. It was one
Speaker 1: of the funnier moments. I said, damn it, all I
Speaker 1: had to do was move a decimal point. I went
Speaker 1: up to go through this crap uh um. Very funny stuff,
Speaker 1: but you know, everybody is just just knocking Norory Rory's
Speaker 1: door down. I mean, it's like the all three of them.
Speaker 1: It's like no, It's like I was the next thing.
Speaker 1: I was expecting Lane to come in through the chimney,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't take it over. I was like, I
Speaker 1: missed you so much, and I thought I had a
Speaker 1: c D in here and I was just getting it
Speaker 1: and I fell and I've got suit all over me.
Speaker 1: But how are you doing? Roory? Let's hanging out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like this is the most charismatic, magnetic human being
Speaker 1: on the well, at least in Stars Hollow, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not much going on there, so everybody's like gravitating
Speaker 1: towards Rory. So yeah, Daniel is chomping at the bit, Daniel,
Speaker 1: you say you want to say before before I helped
Speaker 1: Scott with ten more questions, Okay, I just had like
Speaker 1: one revelation this episode that really kind of made me sad.
Speaker 1: But it was the first episode where I just really
Speaker 1: did not like Dean. I was just like, I don't
Speaker 1: like you at all, and I want you to go away.
Speaker 1: Do not yell at Rory that way. Like I was
Speaker 1: so bothered by him this episode, and I was number
Speaker 1: one Dean supporter since episode the first episode he jump
Speaker 1: Dawn and now I'm literally like, uh, bye bye, you
Speaker 1: gotta go why? So Okay explained that to me too
Speaker 1: a little bit more because Dean was right. Ultimately, he
Speaker 1: was right to be mad because he called, she doesn't
Speaker 1: say Jesse is here. Then he bumps into Jeff and
Speaker 1: it's it's it was. But then that was affed up,
Speaker 1: totally fed up. But then he came up to the
Speaker 1: door and was a bully to you know, like sized
Speaker 1: up Jess, which I would have done too if I
Speaker 1: was Dean, So I'm not mad about that part. But
Speaker 1: like then he just freaking rips Rory and you one,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, you can't do that. No, I know,
Speaker 1: what about the fact that he called and she said
Speaker 1: Paris is here and doesn't say that Jeff just brought
Speaker 1: food over. So then Dean walks in and the meals eaten,
Speaker 1: and obviously Jess been there for an hour. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want Dean so badly just to be like, you
Speaker 1: know what were done where we're done. We gotta go
Speaker 1: like you know this isn't working, your heart somewhere else
Speaker 1: and and that's that. But instead he starts yelling and
Speaker 1: he gets angry, and he like, but that's what that's
Speaker 1: what a mature person does. He's seventeen, You're very correct there.
Speaker 1: His hormones are raging. All he does is just suck
Speaker 1: on her face, right, I mean she made a joke
Speaker 1: about it, like, oh my god, that's my favorite lines
Speaker 1: coming up? Right? All right? Right, Riley, am I alone
Speaker 1: on this one? Or are you with me? No? I'm
Speaker 1: with you on that? But like that would I have
Speaker 1: to remember like Scott said that their seventeen and they're young,
Speaker 1: because I'm with you of like I'm just done, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna I'm just done. But also rory,
Speaker 1: like we saw the last time Dean reacted when she
Speaker 1: had lunch the last time with Jess, Like why would
Speaker 1: she because you guys, he's seventeen years old. He doesn't
Speaker 1: want this to be happening. He likes her, this is
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, this is who he uh, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: this to be happening, So he's just trying so hard
Speaker 1: to make it not be an actuality. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why that scene at the end is just so
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what to do. He's seventeen with raging hormones.
Speaker 1: He's it's really attracted to her, he really loves her,
Speaker 1: and they're together well, and she's slipping away. She's slipping.
Speaker 1: A seventeen year old with raging hormones cannot handle that situation,
Speaker 1: and especially and especially with somebody who's like a Jess,
Speaker 1: Like that's a real rival. He's a real threat. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at him, Yeah, because jesf knows her so well,
Speaker 1: even like when she's like you gotta go and he's like,
Speaker 1: beans coming over. You didn't tell him I'm here, Like
Speaker 1: Jess has her number, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: and then at the end when the two of them
Speaker 1: are just completely bonding at Luke's counter, you know, at
Speaker 1: the register, and Laura Lyon Dean are looking in from
Speaker 1: the window, both both denying the truth, saying Rory wouldn't lie,
Speaker 1: Rory loves you, when both deep down, no, look we're
Speaker 1: both were both screwed because Laura doesn't want it and
Speaker 1: Dean doesn't want it, and it's what you're watching is
Speaker 1: the gradual destruction of a character and the relationship. And
Speaker 1: this is intentional because how many times now have we
Speaker 1: seen Dean come apart at the seems too many times now?
Speaker 1: He's the guy that can't lose his can't keep his
Speaker 1: act together. He's not as cool as he started out
Speaker 1: to be. Have we seen Jess lose his marbles in
Speaker 1: this situation? No, Jesse is the cool one. Jesse's quippy,
Speaker 1: Jesse's and he's And that's how you win, Scott. You
Speaker 1: just gave me the most Like my head is exploding
Speaker 1: because you just made me realize we have to not
Speaker 1: like me. We are being forced not to like him,
Speaker 1: not not not like him. But no, this guy can't
Speaker 1: hold his water man and he's he's constantly, I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but he's pissing all over himself all
Speaker 1: the time with jealousy and he's got to stop doing it.
Speaker 1: But he's not going to stop doing it because they
Speaker 1: don't want him to stop doing it, because they want
Speaker 1: that character to go down a notch every time, every episode,
Speaker 1: and he's going down every single time, and it's working.
Speaker 1: You know what do that overtime. Not until you said
Speaker 1: this did I really realize it, like it was happening.
Speaker 1: I was experiencing it. But you're right, it's strategic because
Speaker 1: now we want her to be yet I want her
Speaker 1: to be we are being manipulated by the witchcraftiness of
Speaker 1: the creatorscraft there are. And you feel bad for Bean.
Speaker 1: You don't hate him, You just sort of like it's
Speaker 1: time to go have some pride get out. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that that that final scene, uh, really illustrates that
Speaker 1: he's beginning, it's beginning to dawn on him, that he's
Speaker 1: fighting a force that he can't fend off no matter
Speaker 1: what he does. His height is not going to help
Speaker 1: him on this one. His his his baby blue eyes
Speaker 1: and his his perfectly sculptured face is not going to
Speaker 1: help him out on this one. And right, I said
Speaker 1: his height. That's the first thing I said. Um, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just repeating it, right, because that's seen
Speaker 1: with Jeff and Dean on the steps. To me is
Speaker 1: just perfection. I just love every minute of it, even
Speaker 1: though it's so awkward, because it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think in the real world, and that's back then that's
Speaker 1: what two thousand and one, two thousand and two. I
Speaker 1: think in the real world, Um, you know, maybe that
Speaker 1: town is a little different. But a guy from Chicago,
Speaker 1: it's not going to take that from a guy who's
Speaker 1: you know, six inches shorter. He's gonna get knocked out. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna he's you know, somebody's gonna take a
Speaker 1: swing there. They're they're raging hormones on both of them.
Speaker 1: These are two These are two kids, you know who
Speaker 1: who are crazy in love with this girl. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the point where I don't know. I mean, are
Speaker 1: you team? Are you team Jeff? Now? Scott? Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I like how he you know, how he
Speaker 1: deals with these situations. He's he's gradually becoming more aggressive
Speaker 1: and showing up, yet he's still remaining cool. He's not
Speaker 1: overreacting when he's asked to leave, like, can you get
Speaker 1: at it? Because that's insulting, that's a and feel good.
Speaker 1: Dean's coming over. You have to get out of here,
Speaker 1: and he's like, really, uh, but you don't. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you know, many toys with her a little well,
Speaker 1: and how about when he says, did we need a
Speaker 1: chap around. It's like he knows like it if Paris
Speaker 1: wasn't here, that's why you invited her to stay for
Speaker 1: dinner because something was gonna happen. And he's so steadily,
Speaker 1: he's so cool. Well that could that could be interpreted
Speaker 1: in many different ways. Well what did you think of
Speaker 1: the fact that he said Luke wanted to send over food?
Speaker 1: And we find out at the end that Luke because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to expose his feelings, he wanted to
Speaker 1: be the cool guy. But it was if he came
Speaker 1: over and said, listen, you know if he can't, because
Speaker 1: that's what Dean would do, right right, right, right right?
Speaker 1: So different Wow, yeah, because you're like, oh, so he's
Speaker 1: blaming it on Luke, blaming being the wrong word. But
Speaker 1: you get my drift. I then we get the reveal
Speaker 1: at the end and Rory is happy to find out
Speaker 1: that you didn't send the fish, so it wasn't He
Speaker 1: wasn't bummed about that at all. So so Dean represents
Speaker 1: I think he you know, he's a big city kid
Speaker 1: coming into stars Hollow, but he's completely transformed into stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: He doesn't represent anything mysterious anymore, or anything that Rory,
Speaker 1: you know, has her her sight set on because she's
Speaker 1: but and but Jess does. He's interesting, he's mysterious, he's
Speaker 1: well read, all of these things. He's clever, he's cool
Speaker 1: under pressure. That's her ticket that Jeff can keep up
Speaker 1: with Paris. Right, that was huge, So defending the beat,
Speaker 1: right of the beat? Nick writers, Yes, that's three of
Speaker 1: them at the dinner table. Are just having the dream
Speaker 1: conversation for the three of that and do you know more?
Speaker 1: And Paris was you know, that wasn't just some kind
Speaker 1: of favor she was doing Rory. She was confessing her
Speaker 1: love for Jess. Oh so I don't agree. I do,
Speaker 1: because she in those moments she goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean, how could you not? You know, first of all,
Speaker 1: I think he's incredibly attractive. Second of all, he's well
Speaker 1: read for a kid that age. Right, And they're having
Speaker 1: this debate, and she wasn't being terribly hostile about it, right.
Speaker 1: I think she really really stepped up and was going
Speaker 1: to help out her friend, and saw saw Dean yelling
Speaker 1: and being so upset, and she was just did the
Speaker 1: right thing. But the reason that she pulled it off
Speaker 1: is because she was telling the truth, partly telling the
Speaker 1: truth because she does have feelings. Now for Jess, I
Speaker 1: think I won't go as smart agree with that she
Speaker 1: has feelings, But I think you're right. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was hard for her to act like that and
Speaker 1: take it, take that one, take one for the team,
Speaker 1: you know, protect her friends, because it's logical. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a crush on him and I thought he was
Speaker 1: cute when I came into town and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But I don't think she has feelings for him. I
Speaker 1: think she did it. She really he's the he's he's
Speaker 1: an easy attainable for her, but she she has feelings
Speaker 1: for him. I think she finally is showing I'm a
Speaker 1: good person and I'm loyal to my friend. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a Paris shining moment. I thought, for me,
Speaker 1: this is the transition or why I have always liked parents,
Speaker 1: because I knew these moments are coming, and it's like, No,
Speaker 1: Paris is a cool chick who totally took one for
Speaker 1: the team here and was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just say, I'm glad that we got some uh,
Speaker 1: we got some exposition from her and some background about
Speaker 1: her family, in the situation. It really frames it up
Speaker 1: for me now, and I do like her a lot
Speaker 1: more and I really feel for her, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: that they have this friendship now, or this sort of
Speaker 1: sort of mock friendship, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because a friend, she's
Speaker 1: very vulnerable and she gets very soft in those moments
Speaker 1: and like somebody would like me. And I really felt
Speaker 1: bad for her because you know what, you know, parents
Speaker 1: are they scripted their kids. They do. They make them anxious,
Speaker 1: and they make them, you know, living like like like
Speaker 1: Kim said, like Dr Kim said, they live in the absolutes,
Speaker 1: and it's all or nothing, all or nothing. You make
Speaker 1: another great point there, and that even though it's very
Speaker 1: subtle and such a small, small storyline, it does peel
Speaker 1: back the curtain as to why they finally gave us
Speaker 1: some some some some exposition here on what her life
Speaker 1: is really like. I mean, they gave us a really
Speaker 1: clear picture. That was a really clear picture. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of information to spit out in a couple of paragraphs.
Speaker 1: Dad came back because it was going to cost him.
Speaker 1: You know, what is this about this man? He's he's
Speaker 1: more interested in his money and his travels. And they
Speaker 1: know they're never home, right, So she's going on, the
Speaker 1: mother's going off with her boyfriend somewhere, and he's going
Speaker 1: off with his girlfriend somewhere. All they care about was
Speaker 1: his money. They don't give a damn about her. They
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to Paris. So she turns all that
Speaker 1: angst and anger and hurt and pain into studying and
Speaker 1: studying and Harvard will be her new parents. And I
Speaker 1: mean I thought for sure she got a D on
Speaker 1: that country test, and I just thought there was all
Speaker 1: of branch being handed out, you know that, Like she
Speaker 1: really threw Rory the olive branch by taking taking the
Speaker 1: pressure off the bean, and then Rory does it and
Speaker 1: return by saying, hey, you want to spend the night,
Speaker 1: like that's what friends do. Oh yeah, she did her
Speaker 1: so that she said she did her a solid, and hey,
Speaker 1: that's what a friend would do. And why would I
Speaker 1: like she said, I mean, why would you ever want
Speaker 1: to help me out? I mean that's out of character
Speaker 1: for Paris. If anything, Paris would help Dean drive the
Speaker 1: knife in deeper and twisted a little bit, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not it's it's it's not it is within the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility that Paris. I mean, that's her behavior, though
Speaker 1: there are patterns. Yeah, So do you think that she
Speaker 1: did this because she's changing or that she is like
Speaker 1: this is my favorite freebody? This this show should have
Speaker 1: been called Everybody Wants Rory, you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: series should have been Everybody Wants Rory or Everybody Loves Rory,
Speaker 1: like Everybody loves Raymond. I mean, it's like she's the
Speaker 1: most love. She's an incredibly lovable character. And now it's
Speaker 1: beginning for me. It's it's becoming clear that this is
Speaker 1: this is her show. When it's her show, it's her show.
Speaker 1: This is really a show. It's not so much laurelized show.
Speaker 1: It's her show. It's it's and maybe And it jumps
Speaker 1: back and forth, doesn't it. It focuses on in some episodes.
Speaker 1: In other episodes the focus becomes the kid world, So
Speaker 1: it's it's going back and forth. There was a time
Speaker 1: when it was really moralized show, you know, like all
Speaker 1: through the Max stuff, and you know the way, is
Speaker 1: he still at Chilton Max? Is he still teaching there.
Speaker 1: Did he leave? That's a great question. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because he didn't go. Did he did he go somewhere?
Speaker 1: Can we can we find I don't think that we
Speaker 1: know of. And then I thought, oh, where is he?
Speaker 1: Just is he just like you know, the uncle you
Speaker 1: don't talk about. I mean, it's like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's like he doesn't Yeah, I think he's the uncle
Speaker 1: you don't talk about, because we did. We've seen him
Speaker 1: post breakup, and you know, in brief moments. I'm just
Speaker 1: assuming they just there was nowhere else to go with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, was he was he assassinated? What happened? Where
Speaker 1: is Max? He's never mentioned anymore. He's like he's not
Speaker 1: even part of the show. And he was such a
Speaker 1: big part of the show. He's not even referred to.
Speaker 1: I agree. I have one beef with this episode. Do
Speaker 1: you want to hear it? Do you want to take
Speaker 1: a break and then come back for it? I look,
Speaker 1: I'm always needed to tell down. Yeah, let's do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: all right, kids, We're gonna take a little break. Aim.
Speaker 1: He's got more surprises for us when we come back,
Speaker 1: So we'll be back after these words, all right, everybody,
Speaker 1: We're back, Amy, what do you have? I just do
Speaker 1: not understand how a diner could be open during all
Speaker 1: that construction. And I do not understand how how how
Speaker 1: like like rufe fell into those people's food and all
Speaker 1: you did was offered them a beau. Listen, listen. That's
Speaker 1: small town USA. Okay. People don't sue. They're not litigious people.
Speaker 1: They come together as a community. And Luke's cooking and
Speaker 1: his food and his vibe and his atmosphere are just
Speaker 1: that powerful. That's a testament to Luke's and there just
Speaker 1: what he is. Man, you know, that's it. That was hilarious.
Speaker 1: There's so much feeling falling in everyone coffee and eggs,
Speaker 1: and it did that made me more uncomfortable than anything.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, oh god. I think it
Speaker 1: was funny and it really shows you how, uh you know,
Speaker 1: how out of reality, how lifted from reality the show is,
Speaker 1: because that's not going to happen anywhere in the world ever.
Speaker 1: Possible but not probable, probable but not possible. It doesn't
Speaker 1: fall into either category. So you're right to point that out.
Speaker 1: I was expecting Taylor to come and shut it down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just Oh, it's a show that doesn't
Speaker 1: take itself that seriously. When it's not taking itself that seriously.
Speaker 1: When it takes itself seriously, it really takes itself. So
Speaker 1: there again, it's a little confusing at times, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure for the critics it was a little confusing, like
Speaker 1: how could this scene be happening? It's completely unreal, and
Speaker 1: then there's this amazing dramatic scene and then these amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing comedic moments, So what the hell kind of a
Speaker 1: show is it? Right? They couldn't put their finger on
Speaker 1: it right, they didn't know how to categorize it. I
Speaker 1: think that hurt the show. That's just my opinion. It's one,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful to watch, and it's it's kind of experimental almost.
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like, I mean I don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, go this far, but it's almost like something like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, it's it's it's how do
Speaker 1: people refer to it? It's very creative, I think, you
Speaker 1: know what show I think kind of and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they took it from Gilmore Girls, but Ship's Creek
Speaker 1: has some elements of that where you really are like
Speaker 1: this isn't actually going to happen, but it's so entertaining
Speaker 1: and fun to watch. And then there's other moments where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, it's totally real. But I think
Speaker 1: I think anytime you can sprinkle in some absurdity, it
Speaker 1: really makes it special. That that's kind of the special
Speaker 1: magic of it. You know that this could happen, and
Speaker 1: it just it sets up the world right where all
Speaker 1: of these things are possible. So it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a nice touch, I thought. Speaking of absurdity, we have
Speaker 1: a small little game for you for me. We yeah,
Speaker 1: we are going to read deal Riley and Daniel ten
Speaker 1: maybe five ten. I don't remember the lipstick lipstick names,
Speaker 1: and we want to know if you think they are
Speaker 1: real lipstick names or fake lipstick names. This is just okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm not going to enjoy this. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give everyone all their parents are warning in
Speaker 1: the car right now, you have the child in your car.
Speaker 1: Mute this next five minutes. It's all in honor of Vicious.
Speaker 1: I think it's only gonna take him game minute, next minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: First one from Too Face Cosmetics, Melted Chihuahua real or
Speaker 1: fake that can't be real. It is real. That's Next
Speaker 1: one Jeffrey Star Cosmetics. Pain is pleasure. God, I'm in
Speaker 1: pain right now. Um, I don't know. Probably real it's real. Okay.
Speaker 1: Next one deceased real estate. Let's just say real, it's real.
Speaker 1: Next one dead President's real or fake. That's got to
Speaker 1: be fake. That's real. Nice nice, ivy forest green type color.
Speaker 1: Um okay. Two more drug lord real or fake. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say real, it's real. Okay. Last one sensor sensor
Speaker 1: sensor super orgasm. Um, I'm gonna say it's real. It's real. Real. Sorry, kids,
Speaker 1: good games. You know you don't know. I love this episode.
Speaker 1: Why there's this has been one of the most interesting
Speaker 1: conversations we've ever had in however many episodes we've done. This,
Speaker 1: this episode really was like stirred me up, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I loved it, but it also
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, why did that happen? And why did
Speaker 1: that happen? And whoa, this is major that's just happening
Speaker 1: with Dean and just do you know why it's surgeon?
Speaker 1: Because there was more drama, pure drama in this episode
Speaker 1: on both storyline to the kiddies and the adults then,
Speaker 1: and usually when they you know, the the norm for
Speaker 1: this show is to have dramedy, they combine it right,
Speaker 1: so it's like if it's a if you know, usually
Speaker 1: lauralize really funny with the quippy stuff against her mom,
Speaker 1: but it's set up better. This wasn't funny, you know.
Speaker 1: I know they were going for funny in the beginning
Speaker 1: with the with the Laurel, you know, but she just
Speaker 1: came off as Brady. So it wasn't It wasn't enjoyable
Speaker 1: for me, and I think they missed the mark a
Speaker 1: little bit on that. Um. I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: people enjoyed it, and if I go back and watch
Speaker 1: it again, maybe I'll enjoy it. But I just thought, wow,
Speaker 1: we're gonna this is how we're gonna start off. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's an interesting idea. You know. I would
Speaker 1: be curious from time to time, maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: these episodes where you were really something a bug you.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear what you think when you
Speaker 1: watch it again. You want me to watch it again?
Speaker 1: Uh no, you don't have to now. But but it's
Speaker 1: just you make an interesting point, because I do think
Speaker 1: there's so much to these episodes that when you watch
Speaker 1: it your third fourth, for some people their eleventh times,
Speaker 1: you do see it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: with Virginie's I think it's always better. Those are the
Speaker 1: impressions that I got. I'm not saying that they're correct
Speaker 1: or they're that's the way everybody should feel. This is
Speaker 1: way I feel, you know what I felt. I love
Speaker 1: the Dean and Jeff stuff sort of coming to a head.
Speaker 1: And obviously for me, the fact that Rory lied multiple times,
Speaker 1: she knows something that's going on, and then at the
Speaker 1: end we just see her, you know, flirting, I guess
Speaker 1: would be the way to describe her conversation with Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's a dinner, they're flirting. They there's a moat around
Speaker 1: those two, Laura Lane and Rory. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: very wide moat, and people keep trying to breach that moat.
Speaker 1: And Dean has done it. M but now he's he's
Speaker 1: going to get asked to getting this little dinging go away. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think Jesse is you know, storming the port
Speaker 1: call us as well. Um. And it's just you know,
Speaker 1: Rory is a busy girl. She's she's studying, she wants
Speaker 1: to go to the Ivy League. She wants to go
Speaker 1: to Harvard, and you know she's there's a single parent there,
Speaker 1: so there's more at home things for Rory to have
Speaker 1: to do, um other than studying, right, Um, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it's just I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say here. Well, we'll edit all this
Speaker 1: out because I'm I'm kind of no. I think what
Speaker 1: you're saying is really interesting. You're saying, like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: Jesse's is time is coming and we can see it.
Speaker 1: It's like, how is it a better show? Is it
Speaker 1: a better show when the kitty storyline is is is
Speaker 1: supporting the adult storyline, the Lorelie relationships and the lower
Speaker 1: Lie entanglements and the Lorelie issues with Like, is it
Speaker 1: a more powerful drama if it's Emily, Richard, Laurel, Rory
Speaker 1: and then that some luky stuff for Max stuff or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then they do a little kitty stuff too to
Speaker 1: support all of that. So when Emily, when you know,
Speaker 1: they take Emily out of her house, Richard isn't there,
Speaker 1: which and Richard really was there, wasn't he? I mean,
Speaker 1: Richard was in this episode at the end when when
Speaker 1: Emily popped, you know, because this purely could be a
Speaker 1: kiddy show. It could have been just a kiddy show, right,
Speaker 1: But I liked it more that we had that other
Speaker 1: storyline too. I think it's right, but you don't think
Speaker 1: this could have gotten ratings if it was just a
Speaker 1: show about you know, let's say, let's just call it
Speaker 1: Rory Rory show, and she's got this mom and just
Speaker 1: got these other storylines. But but then it's like, you
Speaker 1: don't think the c You don't think the c W
Speaker 1: could have made that fly with all these beautiful looking
Speaker 1: kids and stars Hollow and then all and then all
Speaker 1: of the other characters, you know, the Laureli, Luke, everybody,
Speaker 1: all these other characters are just sort of supporting characters.
Speaker 1: They're not leading characters. But then it just wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the special show that it is. It's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that could have been something, and the c W have
Speaker 1: plenty of those. But I need to me ultimately, as
Speaker 1: much as Rory is so important, this show is Luke,
Speaker 1: Luke and Laurel. To me, it just I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: dare say it, Rory isn't my favorite character. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of hate, but Emily is the shining
Speaker 1: star for me. See for me, I'm Laura Lize till
Speaker 1: the day I die. I love her so much. But
Speaker 1: what I think is so cool is, like you said
Speaker 1: the fifty, Like, when I was younger and watched this,
Speaker 1: I love drawing, And now as I'm rewatching it, I'm
Speaker 1: leaning more towards Loral. So I feel like that's why
Speaker 1: it's maybe span so long, is like each phase of
Speaker 1: life you get to relate to a different female in
Speaker 1: the Gilmware Girls. H yeah, that's a that's a really
Speaker 1: great point because I was older when I started it,
Speaker 1: and so I've just been always lower Lie. But it's just,
Speaker 1: isn't It really just shows us with the older characters,
Speaker 1: how jaded people become and so set in their ways,
Speaker 1: and then you've got this really fresh faced, innocent, young,
Speaker 1: brilliant girl who justice like kind of open to anything,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's really it's a really
Speaker 1: nice reprieve from all of the drama created by all
Speaker 1: of these people who were just so setting their ways.
Speaker 1: And there and there's social classes and there's clashing and
Speaker 1: there's planking, and you go back to Rory and Rory
Speaker 1: is really the piece of this show. She's the peaceful,
Speaker 1: kind of still center of the show in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because no matter how much drama she gets involved in,
Speaker 1: she never seems to lose herself. You know, she's she's
Speaker 1: solf because she doesn't know how else. She's genuine. She's
Speaker 1: a genuine person. But I I think I could watch
Speaker 1: an episode without Rory, Like, I can't this for me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see it without Laura. Like if
Speaker 1: if Rory, I don't know, let's say alexis how to
Speaker 1: tell me ache one day and couldn't work, I could
Speaker 1: still enjoy the episode, you know, I could. I do
Speaker 1: think I could. I could enjoy. To me, this is
Speaker 1: Lauren Graham show, this is Laura Live and and to me,
Speaker 1: there's no show without Luke nothing. So there you go, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is Laurence show. I think it would
Speaker 1: be weird without Rory. I think it's both their shows.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, it does tend to go
Speaker 1: back and forth, and the drama does tend to become
Speaker 1: a little more pure in some places with less of
Speaker 1: a setup for humor. So you know, it goes from
Speaker 1: drama ney to comedy to drama to absurdity all in
Speaker 1: one episode, you know, and it's it's kind of wonderful.
Speaker 1: It really is. You know. It just certainly keeps you
Speaker 1: on your toes. You know, you can't really put it
Speaker 1: into a category, which I think. Oh, I won't even
Speaker 1: go there again. I'm not gonna go there again. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get the emails. Um, but Riley, go ahead.
Speaker 1: First of all, I love when Paris is talking about
Speaker 1: the macaroni and cheese, because macaroni chee cheese is just
Speaker 1: so special. But she said, do you have a twenty
Speaker 1: for our pharmacy just in case I have an allergic
Speaker 1: reaction to something? M hmm um, Daniel, okay. Mine is
Speaker 1: from Rory to Dean after they made out. She says, well,
Speaker 1: your lung capacity has certainly improved. Yeah, um, Amy, what
Speaker 1: about you dishes trawlap dirty hoore was taken. That was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite I would say that was probably
Speaker 1: my winner. Um okay, you gotta help me with this
Speaker 1: favorite line. Thing. Paris said something in reference to Rory's
Speaker 1: pajamas about entertaining Mr Peanut. Right, Oh yeah, yah, I
Speaker 1: thought that was particularly funny. Yeah. I also loved those
Speaker 1: that seg with segways so well in this fashion. I
Speaker 1: loved the Planters pajamas. I loved Jesse's button down shirt
Speaker 1: with the flag that navy blue. One did anyone else
Speaker 1: favorite fer moments? Oh? Favorite Lourla was wearing a shirt
Speaker 1: that says yoga kills amazing, amazing. Gosh, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I have any favorite fashion moments. Um. I really
Speaker 1: liked Luke's flannel. I thought it was what an original,
Speaker 1: surprising thing really should I don't know what they're thinking. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have one more favorite line before we go, when
Speaker 1: Paris was at the door and she says, there's is
Speaker 1: there going to be some hot knitting going on Paris?
Speaker 1: This is a great episode for Paris. It really really was,
Speaker 1: and and it and it. You know, it brought me
Speaker 1: into her camp. Now I'm fully supportive of of Paris,
Speaker 1: and because then now I know what her plate has been,
Speaker 1: what she faces in the future, because this just isn't
Speaker 1: gonna get resolved overnight. It's this is This is a lingering,
Speaker 1: years long process for Paris. So I feel bad for her.
Speaker 1: So I like her. I'm glad she's friends with Rory.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a very very strong episode for
Speaker 1: for Eliza Um. And you know the thing I'll never
Speaker 1: forget is is is Kelly Bishops acting When she was
Speaker 1: dancing with that with how Lyndon and the and the
Speaker 1: the push pull, the struggle, she was having morally with
Speaker 1: it and you could see it etched all over her face,
Speaker 1: especially during the slow dance. I mean she was having
Speaker 1: a blast uh in the fast song. But my god, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what the best you know, the best line
Speaker 1: and the whole thing, because those are real people that
Speaker 1: were in the band, the drummer and the piano player.
Speaker 1: Those are real people there. They're a fixture. They've been
Speaker 1: at this bar, this classic bar in Hollywood for fifty years.
Speaker 1: They were a long long Yes, yes, they are the
Speaker 1: house band. I even think it's their restaurant. I should know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know in Swingers, you know that movie
Speaker 1: Swingers with Vince Vaughn and Jon Fabrow, They go into
Speaker 1: that same bar and those people are in that movie.
Speaker 1: What was the name of that bar? It's a very
Speaker 1: famous bar in Hollywood, and I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what the name
Speaker 1: of it is. But I used to go there, you know,
Speaker 1: and when she says, can we can we bribe you,
Speaker 1: she's loads right, no, yes, good. But he the drummer,
Speaker 1: the second the part of the part of that band,
Speaker 1: the husband and wife team, um, who play all the
Speaker 1: classic songs there. His line was, and this one and
Speaker 1: here is another one from the chairman of the board.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean b O R E. D. I
Speaker 1: just went and he and it was and it was
Speaker 1: like the guy's not an actor, but he delivered it
Speaker 1: pretty good. But it was for me. It was just
Speaker 1: like one of these he told a bad joke really
Speaker 1: well or or a good joke really poorly, and it
Speaker 1: just worked on every level for me. And I just
Speaker 1: blurted out laughing. I was like, good for you, man,
Speaker 1: a good line anyway, silly joke, but good for him?
Speaker 1: Was it? The three clubs? The three clubs? The name
Speaker 1: of the bar. I don't think that's the name of
Speaker 1: the bar. It's a classic Hollywood bar. It was featured. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's further. It's deeper into Hollywood than that. It's past,
Speaker 1: it's it's downside. You gotta go way past Sunset Pole.
Speaker 1: I mean on Sunset you gotta go way past Chatau Riley,
Speaker 1: what episode are we watching now? It's like it's like
Speaker 1: it's I think it's like around Fine Street. It's down
Speaker 1: there even maybe further. Next up we have episode seventeen,
Speaker 1: Dead Uncles and Vegetables, Dead Uncles and Vegetables, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to find out the names. Yes we are,
Speaker 1: because that is a that's where they play. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they still play there, but and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if the bar exists. But anyway, Um, all right, everybody,
Speaker 1: that was a spirited, spirited conversation, wasn't There's a lot
Speaker 1: to unpack on that one. Anyway, good job, thanks for
Speaker 1: unloading everybody. Uh Um, you are the best fans on
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