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Speaker 2: Look at us now tempted.

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Speaker 1: Jesus?

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Speaker 3: Oh do you want to.

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Speaker 1: Us' doing?

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Speaker 2: Will be luck? It's time to be Oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: not just a sound, it's a feeling, it's a movement. Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's a twenty twenty five Monday, January third. Welcome into

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Speaker 2: the best damn combat sports show they ever put together,

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Speaker 2: and you better believe it. We are here to stay.

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Speaker 2: It's morning Combat. They used to give us awards for this.

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Speaker 2: Right now we just wear old weird merch. Hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, the donk had stick golos.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: The most host and that is Luke Thomas and Luke.

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Speaker 2: We didn't prep that there would be a big announcement today,

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Speaker 2: but you did tell me off. There you have hepatitis

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Speaker 2: f congratulations the stance for your fuck. Thank you very much?

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Speaker 2: All right, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 4: Where are those condoms?

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Speaker 1: Kids?

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Speaker 4: That's all I can tell you. Where are those condoms?

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Speaker 2: Look, you're a bit under the weather, will you get above?

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Speaker 1: I'm actually in that sense my whole family. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of families that apparently got sick over the holidays.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's a bunch of nasty bugs going around.

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Speaker 1: I feel fine. But then ever since the illness passed,

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Speaker 1: I've had a hard time drawing a deep breath. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so that's not great, but you know, it hasn't slowed

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Speaker 1: me down too much. Be see. I took twops to

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Speaker 1: the tube being yesterday at the slopes. They're actually not

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Speaker 1: far from DC, like a ninety minute drive.

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Speaker 2: Wait allan's close to DC.

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Speaker 1: Technically if you look closely, you can get to Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding in ninety minutes. We went to

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Speaker 1: Liberty Mountain, which is about maybe an hour and forty five,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you can go there, and we tubed it up.

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Speaker 1: Been she had a blast, So it was awesome.

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Speaker 2: At a time, What a dad, What a time? What

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Speaker 2: a new year, Luke. I do hope that you're going

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Speaker 2: to recover and you're okay, I'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: I'll be fine. It's just you know, turns out vaping's

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Speaker 1: probably not great for you.

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Speaker 2: The doctor's like, well, what of the last few months

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Speaker 2: been like for you? Like, I just got this pink

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Speaker 1: Nothing out of that, yeah, white monster drinking then peach

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Speaker 2: Well, Luke, you know they've been trying to kill us

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Speaker 2: in this show since the beginning, right, But they can't

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Speaker 2: keep a good man down, or even two of them

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Speaker 2: or one and a half of them. So we are

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Speaker 2: here to stay, here to bang two we hey and Hey.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Brian Campbell, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Freaking new year dude. How about it was awesome family

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Speaker 2: and I played cards, laughed it up, watched the ball

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Speaker 2: to be alive, Luke, you know, no what the phone

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Speaker 4: That's been my experience as well.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of phone calls per se,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, nevertheless, well, you know, Luke one love for

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, we gave out our awards on Monday show,

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Speaker 1: He seems like a sex pest. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go, there you go. Hey, we

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Speaker 2: on Monday we give out the year end towards and

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Speaker 2: now it's twenty twenty five, so we will be looking

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Speaker 2: ahead division by division in the UFC making our predictions

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Speaker 2: big storylines we are following in both combat sports. We

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Speaker 2: are looking morning combat viewers to bang you at all times,

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Speaker 2: all right, consensually. Thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you want to tell the folks what's up

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Speaker 1: for Monday?

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Speaker 2: Well, we got a show live eleven am.

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Speaker 1: You have a show. The show is the show. The

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Speaker 2: Far wherever you are. The show will go on on

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Speaker 2: jan six. But we got big snow predictions. And also, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know, wherever you are, the people will

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Speaker 2: show up. Luke, Okay, you are the anchor that keeps

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Speaker 2: all I. I hope we got another guy that works on

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Speaker 2: the show we do. He's probably hot, degenerate, gambler, long

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Speaker 2: enthusiast son of an Australian. It's Luke Nocida of the

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Speaker 2: main Card Minute podcast. Luke, Happy New Year to you, fella.

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Speaker 2: I like the purple backlighting. What do you have to

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Speaker 5: Nothing? Happy new Year to you guys. New year, same

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Speaker 3: We could change the colors too, BC, we got whatever

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Speaker 2: Is that in honor of the late Prince the symbol

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Speaker 2: purple rain?

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Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, purple rain.

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Speaker 1: Come back here? Long on, Luke.

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Speaker 4: What did you do it for the years?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it involved a gravity bong at some point.

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Speaker 5: Not a gravity bong, just a regular bong.

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Speaker 3: Now, me and my girlfriend just you know, had a

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Speaker 3: We got crazy rain as well, and my road flooded,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, uh does your does your girlfriend smoke?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course a right, okay, likes long walks on

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Speaker 2: missus future maybe missus h All right, enough of that conversation, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, before we get into the show, Before we started,

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Speaker 2: There on the side, our little side peace. Don't don't

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Speaker 2: be talking about taking my side piece. You don't get laid. Luke.

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Speaker 2: What famous boxer said that quote?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That was poly Malanaji and the post fight. Yeah, great

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Speaker 2: moments in boxing history, right there, Luke, anything else you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about personally? You want to share any

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Speaker 2: medical test results? It turns out you are the father

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Speaker 2: soaking right relations you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, nothing really else. I just hope I'm not dying.

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Speaker 1: Oh my wife got me a massage for Christmas, like

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Speaker 2: Do you prefer a male or female messuse?

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Speaker 1: I had a male messeuse one time, and it was

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you what? He makes those noises

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, dude, it's Shane Carwin UFC one sixteen

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Speaker 1: With those guys, they take their elbows and then they

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Speaker 2: I used to hear from my coworker Robbie Snyder that

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Speaker 1: So again again, I'd be totally okay with that. I

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Speaker 1: I have been so wrong about alishon Pantoja, not in

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Speaker 1: Hear me out? Hear me old, No, Henry Shudo did

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's just really hard to compete with.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a lot of really good wins

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Speaker 2: But here's the deal, Luke, I this happens to me

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Speaker 2: and remind himself how much he loves Eugene Bearman.

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Speaker 4: Right, I never stopped liking Eugene Bearman.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you threw a few of his toys away after

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Speaker 6: a running joke that the fans have with you, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And then again, what actually happens is that everyone is

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Speaker 1: I don't care about them anymore. I certainly think they're

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Speaker 2: And obviously I don't have to explain that. You know

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Speaker 2: But Kai Car France is probably next in line, Luke.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think he's dangerous. I thought Ersag was gonna

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Speaker 4: You definitely cannot rule it out.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if I see that as the

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Speaker 2: All right, in terms of the the old old championship

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you might see Okay, you might see

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Speaker 1: Who was the last name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looked a little up and down at rising, So

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Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke, are you seeing a twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: At one twenty five, I wrote, I wrote my dation

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Speaker 5: Nice, so I'm sticking to that.

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Speaker 1: All right, very good?

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Speaker 2: All right, Luke. Do you, Luke Thomas, do you think

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think if Cop wins are going to give

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Well, UFC also cares about Mexico a lot. Can you

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it would take a lot o Yes, ye.

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Speaker 1: Would take a lot are in tough positions, you know.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely still love that division, Still love that every fight's

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Speaker 2: feels like anybody can win the title on any given night. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's alive. I'm guessing he's not dead, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, there we go. Hey, let's go to

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Speaker 2: With the rising success over at middleweight, Welterweight and featherweight

434
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 2: are still in it. Lightweight's always awesome, but bantamwaight we

435
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 2: are heading in just a couple of weeks out January

436
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 2: eighteenth in Los Angeles UFC three eleven, when the champion

437
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: Morob devals Vili takes on Umar Nirmalga made off Luke.

438
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Speaker 2: Before we get into our bold prediction, I did send

439
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Speaker 2: you a video this morning, a little bit of controversy

440
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: on the old Twitter these days because Bretto Komodo sat

441
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Speaker 2: down with Umar for an interview ahead of this title

442
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: fight for ESPN dot Com in which Umar seemed to

443
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: reveal that he broke his forearm recently and it's not

444
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: fully healed as he enters this title fight that sort

445
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 2: of got rushed in before Ramadan. And then I'm being

446
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: told on Twitter that that interview got pulled from ESPN

447
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: dot com completely. Are you nervous? What do you think

448
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: about that? Does that change any of your bold predicting

449
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 2: expectations for bantamly?

450
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 4: Okay, so not really, not really.

451
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: I tend to think that he'll probably get pumped full

452
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: of cortisol to like kill pain or whatever, and so

453
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: it won't really actually affect his performance too too bad. Also,

454
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Speaker 1: Morob has kind of indicated that he's got injuries as

455
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 1: well that he's dealing with, so it's like, neither is

456
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: really probably get there. Dude, that fight got pushed into

457
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 1: that position to make that you know, card better. It

458
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: wasn't like a bad card, but it really kind of

459
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: sent it over the top and excuse me, and you know,

460
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: the idea that that fight was booked under ideal circumstances

461
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: for either guy is just complete nonsense. Right. They forced

462
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: that fight in there, and so you're getting compromised guys

463
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: in both directions. I think they'll probably, you know, it'll

464
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Speaker 1: probably you know, go out in the wash, so to speak.

465
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm saying it's not a factor, b C.

466
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Speaker 1: It's just I don't think Morob is walking under their

467
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: under great circumstances either, and I think they kind of

468
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: semi cancel each other out, you know.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get where you're going on that one. Hit

470
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Speaker 2: me with a bull prediction here, Luke, what are we

471
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Speaker 2: looking at? And bannam waiting twenty five? Sean O'Malley's coming

472
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: off of a title loss. We're some big names lingering

473
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Speaker 2: around this title picture. What do you see happening in

474
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Speaker 2: the future.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think not only does Umar number of end

476
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: the year as champion, I think he will be the champion.

477
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Speaker 1: I think what he's going to start setting up is

478
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: he is going to bring order to the division for

479
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Speaker 1: I think some time now. It's hard to say exactly

480
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Speaker 1: how long he will ran. I'm not making a bull

481
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Speaker 1: prediction protict necessarily in that direction, but what I think

482
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Speaker 1: you're gonna end up seeing in this Morob fight again,

483
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Speaker 1: you know, who knows. What I think you're gonna end

484
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Speaker 1: up seeing the Morob fight is that Umar is going

485
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Speaker 1: to be able to neutralize just a lot of what

486
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Speaker 1: Morab is able to do, and on top of that,

487
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: is going to beat him up on the feet to

488
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Speaker 1: the extent of that takes place on the feet, which

489
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Speaker 1: you know, again we'll see. And I think that what

490
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 1: it's he's going to show, both in terms of in

491
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: that fight and then going forward, is a wide enough

492
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: skill set to basically answer for what every other contender

493
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Speaker 1: essentially has, top contender anyway that has at the present moment.

494
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Speaker 1: If you need him to wrestle, he will show that

495
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Speaker 1: he can wrestle. If you need to strike, he can

496
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Speaker 1: do it, or he can or or you know, if

497
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Speaker 1: someone is good at wrestling and then not on the striking,

498
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: he can go that direction or vice versa like he'll

499
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Speaker 1: have he'll be able to play all the levels in

500
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Speaker 1: such a way that you'll see he's going to I

501
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: think I'm not gonna say he's going to reign over

502
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Speaker 1: the division forever, That's not exactly my point.

503
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Speaker 4: But he's going to bring stability to this division.

504
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Speaker 1: You had Seanmley who had it for a little while.

505
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Speaker 1: I think Morob's not gonna have it for very long.

506
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: The Alja Man had it for a little while as well,

507
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Speaker 1: And we're kind of talking like how many more to

508
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Speaker 1: you know, really be the best bantam weight. I think

509
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: umar number made in twenty twenty five is going to

510
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: plant the seeds to potentially overtake TJ as your best

511
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Speaker 1: bansom weight ever.

512
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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, first of all, I love that unequivocally, without hesitation,

513
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: asterisk or anything else, you just named TJ dell Shaw

514
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: my favorite bandom weight of all time.

515
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: There is debate about this. If it's not him, it's

516
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: Dom Cruise, correct.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you do have to mention the PDUs

518
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: for TJ, don't you? Or are we just going to

519
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 2: assume everyone's on it.

520
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Speaker 1: I think that I think that this is the problem,

521
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to you know, I'm not trying to

522
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Speaker 1: hector anyone. I just want to be realistic about this.

523
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Speaker 4: BC.

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Speaker 1: The problem with the argument about TJ popping is that

525
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Speaker 1: obviously he was guilty and he admitted it, Like, there's

526
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Speaker 1: not really any any ambiguity. John had any number of

527
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Speaker 1: test failures John Jones, but you know he took his

528
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Speaker 1: case to arbitration. Arbitration for the most part, exonerated him.

529
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Speaker 1: You can make of that what you will, But the

530
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Speaker 1: point I wanted to make is you do not have

531
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Speaker 1: a measurement across greatness in MMA that fully accounts for

532
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Speaker 1: uniform anti doping standards. And in fact, what I would

533
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Speaker 1: argue is there are people that we hold up as

534
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: icons in the game that largely were able to get

535
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: around the testing, were competed in an era where it

536
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Speaker 1: wasn't really even relevant, or you know, some some something

537
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: in between where yeah, you know, you had tougher antidoping standards.

538
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Speaker 1: In the case of TJ. By the way, I think

539
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: a lot of guys got through that too, but obviously

540
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: some did not. And you're like, oh, he got caught, right,

541
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Speaker 1: But the notion that like, only the guys that got

542
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Speaker 1: caught are the ones that you can remove from the

543
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Speaker 1: conversation to me is at best misleading and kind of dishonest.

544
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Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying that if you feel very

545
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: strongly that you couldn't make a list in that direction,

546
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: but if you removed let's say, John Jones, if you

547
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Speaker 1: remove TJ. Delashar or whoever you thought was like a

548
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, a clear case. You could even throw Anderson

549
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: Silva in there as well, depending on you know, how

550
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: much you wanted to buy his tie sex drug explanation

551
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: for some of his popped ped tests. You're going to

552
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: leave on guys on your list that almost guarantee have

553
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Speaker 1: used and at a bare minimum never had to face

554
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Speaker 1: a similar level of scrutiny. What does that mean for

555
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: your list? It means your list is probably inaccurate.

556
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Speaker 2: No, I think I actually kind of agree with that

557
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: sentiment right there. So your pick is Umar, and dude,

558
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: I did a film deep dive on Umar in the

559
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Speaker 2: past few days, and you know, it's like, I'm trying

560
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: to find reasons why it's too much too soon? Who

561
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: is he be elite behind beside Sanhagen Eve And even

562
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: in that impressive Sanagen Wig, I felt like he could

563
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: have done more and pulled back and maybe was a

564
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: little bit too safe. But the totality of the film

565
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Speaker 2: luke and then you see Umar come out as a

566
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Speaker 2: minus three forty five betting favorite currently on DraftKings, it's

567
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Speaker 2: hard not to go down that exact lane. So what's

568
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: my bold prediction even with the arm injury. My bold

569
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: prediction is everything you said, but even a little bit more.

570
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: I think Umaran and Moco Metof is going to take

571
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: over the bandamweight division, as you said, and then really

572
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: be in the running for Fighter of the Year at

573
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Speaker 2: the end of the year. And that's a bold claim

574
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Speaker 2: when you add in the fact that he could go

575
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Speaker 2: in there and beat Morab but reaggravate that injury be

576
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: out a while, but broken forms tend to give you

577
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: about a six month recovery period since the first fight

578
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: of the year here, this title about is in January.

579
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: Could he come back in the second half of that year.

580
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a scenario if Umar defeats Morab and

581
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: then fights either O'Malley or Yan on his first title defense,

582
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: like you could be looking at your fighter of the year.

583
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: I think either way, Umar's here. All those early rumors

584
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: that hey, guys, for everything you like about Islam or Usman,

585
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: the best guy in this abdulmh app extended family tree

586
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: camp is still coming in his name is Umar? I

587
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: kind of feel like it's an inevibility at this point

588
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: right the coaching in the corner, the tree behind him

589
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: the iron sharpening iron. I mean, look, there could be

590
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: a scenario in about a year's time where Habib and

591
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: Javi or Mendez have three UFC champions from the same

592
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: you know family team there of what Abdulman app put

593
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: together in Dagastan. If Usman and Magametov comes over, that's

594
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: a way bigger leap. You know, we got to see

595
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: what that looks like if he gets out of his deal.

596
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: But dude, I'm in. Umar's for real, I'm in. I mean,

597
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: I think you got. All you have to look at

598
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: is Moravs behavior since this fight got proposed, and it

599
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: lets you know that he understands what he's in for too,

600
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

601
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think so. I think so.

602
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about guys. I mean, you can

603
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: say whatever you want about the Numerica Medovs. None of

604
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: their success is accidental, absolutely nothing about it. They understand

605
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: what their fighting style is supposed to be like, they

606
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: understand how to win rounds, they understand how to prepare.

607
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: For the most part, they understand how to remain healthy.

608
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: They just have the game on fucking lock. And you

609
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: can like that fact or you can hate that fact.

610
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: But you have to reckon with it one way or

611
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: the other. And I just think it's very, very, very foolish,

612
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: at least right now to be betting against anyone from

613
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: that camp, and especially with that last name.

614
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: Some exp some exceptions about.

615
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke, You'll get a lot of fans that

616
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: will probably watch in this live go enough of the

617
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: slobber on the dagastan cover, a cupboard of hammers that

618
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: you can pull out at any time? What are we missing?

619
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: Should should the MMA community be giving Morob more respect

620
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: as we head into this, considering our two predictions right now?

621
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 5: Damn right, you should. My bold prediction, Morob remains champ.

622
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: Not only that defends the belt three times in twenty

623
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: twenty five.

624
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: You're out of your fucking mind.

625
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: He said he wants to fight like four or five times.

626
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: He said three times in like three months. That's not happening.

627
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: But let's it's definitely not happening.

628
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: Got Umar in January. Let's say he wins that. Then

629
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: over the summer he gets someone and then quarter four

630
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: it's totally possible. All right, He's gonna beat Yan, he's

631
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: gonna beat O'Malley, he's gonna beat Omar.

632
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Let's go, well, he already beat Yan and thoroughly at

633
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: that uh and he beat O'Malley. I would say mostly

634
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: thoroughly at that one. But I think Umar has got

635
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: his number.

636
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: We'll see a quick note Long Island. Luke did look

637
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: it up, ask Our Askarov the flyway and mentioned has

638
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: fault once since his UFC release. It was in November

639
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: of twenty three for ACA and which Askarov then asked

640
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: for his release from that deal due to health issues. Look,

641
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: before we continue down the ban on White road, we

642
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: did not mention Mohammed mokayav at one twenty five. Were

643
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: we in error? Will you see him back in the octagon?

644
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Will he be a factor in the title.

645
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: I would love to see him back in the octagon.

646
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Speaker 1: I thought his departure was Listen, I'll repeat what I

647
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: said when the UFC cut him, because everyone was like, oh,

648
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Speaker 1: he was a great rank contender. I mean, there is

649
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: one argument about his departure that I do feel like

650
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: is very true, which was the UFC cutting that guy

651
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: at a time when they just don't have many contenders

652
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: was probably not that smart, and I do agree with that. However,

653
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: I also agree with the UFC probably realizing this dude

654
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: needs some work. Like he's got a lot. It's he's

655
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: got a lot of really good foundational skills, but he

656
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have that second order offense.

657
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: Excuse me, I'm dying over here.

658
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that second order offense BC where he

659
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: can really lean into damage. He can really lean into

660
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: like you know, hardcore that what Habib could do. Habib

661
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: had good control and then would just turn you into

662
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: fucking ground chuck.

663
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just what he did.

664
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Molkayev doesn't have that second order offense, at least not

665
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: much of it, and get it. Give it. Giving him

666
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: an opportunity to work on those things, I think it's

667
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: a bad part. Nevertheless, if he's able to actually do

668
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: some of that really begin to turn some corners, I

669
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: think bringing him back makes all the sense in the world.

670
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: But until we see that development, do I think he's

671
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: a threat to like a Morob or An Umar, I

672
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: do not. I do not.

673
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: All Right, as we look at this division, Morob the

674
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: champion number one, Sean O'Malley Umar rank two. Despite just

675
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: having that one big win over sandagan Yan at three,

676
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: he's got a two fight win streak and looks renewed.

677
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: You got Sanjaegan four, Figaredo five, and then the usual

678
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: suspects after that of Vera, Sehudo, Songye Dong, Rob Fot

679
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: and Mario Batista to round it out. Luke, this division's

680
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: always so deep, so dangerous, so everything. Is there anyone

681
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: you're targeting at one thirty five? I mean, is it

682
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: pyotr Yan? Do you think he's fully back here at

683
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: age thirty one one and a threat to get back

684
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: in a title fight this year?

685
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: I think he'll get back into a title fight. I

686
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: think his rebound has been real. We've talked about his decline,

687
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: his decline, how you know how real was that? That

688
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: to me was a little bit overstated. It was two

689
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: split decisions. Now, granted Morob of any loss he had

690
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: in that stretch, the Mirab one was the was the

691
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: best one, well, the best one for Marob, but the

692
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: worst one for Yan. It was clear like he I mean,

693
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I think I think I think Mirab attempted something like

694
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: fifty takedowns in that fight, something fucking absurd. Okay, he

695
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: lost that one cleanly, but the other two were pretty close.

696
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I thought he actually beat Sean O'Malley there was just

697
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: a burial of him that didn't really make a lot

698
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: of sense, and sure enough here he is back pretty

699
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: close to the top of the division again. Umar might

700
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: have a date with him, because that's a really, really,

701
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: really cool fight if you actually think about it. But

702
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got enough at this point

703
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: to redo. You know how it is, it's it's hard

704
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: as shit to win a title, and then if you

705
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: lose it, it's really hard to get it back. Only

706
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: the very special ones or people who work in weak

707
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: divisions can do that, and bansamweight ain't a weak division.

708
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: But do I think do I think Jan will be

709
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: back in big fights and have some big wins. I

710
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: think that.

711
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: Do you think this division is losing its luster a

712
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: bit luke from where it was as the sort of

713
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: the best division in the sport maybe over the last

714
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: year and a half.

715
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I think all the divisions in general are kind of

716
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: suffering from a star power decline. Don't you feel that

717
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: way that? Like I agree, there's some exceptions to that.

718
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Ilia had a big year. I think Islam's still on

719
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: top in a big way. You know, we'll see what

720
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: happens with Shafcatt obviously lost a little bit of luster

721
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: and that Ian Gary fight for sure, but you know

722
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: something's possible with him. But it just feels like there's

723
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: a there was like a star class like the Usmans

724
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and the again Islam has kind of been on top

725
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: for a while there. You know, Max Holloway lost and

726
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: Volkanoski lost. It was a real tumbling of the apple

727
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: cart from big names that the fans ador to that

728
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: also had some star power, and there hasn't quite been

729
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: a firm replacement. Maybe we'll get some of that with Umar,

730
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get some of that with who knows, if

731
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: we'll about father way in just a minute. Maybe maybe

732
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Diego Lopez will have a big year and that will

733
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean again, he had a good year in twenty

734
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: twenty four. Much's not even acknowledging that he had a

735
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: great year in twenty twenty four, and so maybe that

736
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: will continue. But it does feel like we're at a

737
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a moment where there's a shuffling of

738
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: the classes and as a consequence, star power is kind

739
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: of again. Poton is doing great, and you know Ilia

740
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: is doing great and whatever, but am i am I off?

741
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: I kind of feel that way no, I think I.

742
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Think you're right. I think you're right. Also, there was

743
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: this window in VANDAM weight where you had so many

744
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: title ready looking guys who maybe hadn't fought for a yet,

745
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: and you had those veterans that were still around in

746
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: more viable than they are now al though Suhudo, maybe

747
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: even Don Cruse. So it's just changing and maybe it

748
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: hasn't reloaded fast enough. Still super compelling at the top.

749
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Yan is looking at a comeback.

750
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: What do you make right now for the future of

751
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: O'Malley and Sanjegan, two big name guys who are coming

752
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: off of big name losses.

753
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I think those guys are probably well. I think O'Malley's

754
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: still has designs on getting his title back. I think

755
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: that's probably unlikely.

756
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: But I don't rumor that he was going to fight

757
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Morob if he wasn't hurt, that they were going to

758
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: freeze out Umar and make him wait.

759
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: Which probably got Umar to sign on the dotted line, right.

760
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, people, if people really knew how the sausage

761
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: was made and how some of these fights get made,

762
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I think they'd have a very different impression of how

763
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: things in this industry. Really work and what's what. But okay,

764
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: putting that aside, I don't want to dismiss O'Malley's possibility

765
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: of getting the title back. I think that he's a

766
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: very I mean, he's limited in his wrestling, but he's

767
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: very dangerous on the feet, and that's always going to

768
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: be something that you have to contend with. So I

769
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to put that out as something that we

770
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: can just look past. What was the other name you mentioned, Sagen.

771
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: I really believe in san Haagan's ability, but every time

772
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: he's had an opportunity to really cross that line against TJ,

773
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: against Umar and you know, these are fucking tough guys, right,

774
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: He's not fighting chumps out there. It's just kind of

775
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: come up for him. I like Corey a lot as

776
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: a person. I like him a lot as a fighter.

777
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I love his mind. I learned something every time I

778
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to talk with him. I think he's

779
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: probably looking for super fights at this point. I mean,

780
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's a little premature, but I don't know.

781
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: He can still win the title, but.

782
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: He's good enough to be. I think on his best day,

783
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: he's good enough to beat anybody. Sure, but those guys

784
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: are also good enough on their best days to beat him.

785
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: And it's just that's a dude. It's a fucking tough division.

786
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Somebody as talented as Corey Sanhagen at one seventy or

787
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: one eighty five or whatever, that dude's a champion. Like,

788
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind, that fucking guy's a champion.

789
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: It's just at one thirty five, holy shit, man, like

790
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: I caught between a rock and a hard place every

791
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: single time.

792
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Speaking of this division, one of

793
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: the best fighters in the world. I got questions about

794
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: what twenty five looks like for him, and that's Patchy Mixed, who,

795
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: of course won the one million dollars in the Bellatour

796
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: tournament went to pf Elatour did not have a giant

797
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: breakthrough year. Had a re match with Magomed Magomed Karimov,

798
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: I believe and uh it kind of struggled in that

799
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: one after putting him to sleep during that one million

800
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: dollar tournament so brutally. But Luke, it's it's interesting, what

801
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: does twenty five look like. There's a lot of questions.

802
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: Will pfl open up a bandamweight division as part of

803
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: their one million dollar tournament. That's my first question. If not,

804
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: what do you do? You just have PATCHI mixed defender

805
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: or fight for a fake sort of a fake belatur

806
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: title out in Dubai every couple of months. I mean,

807
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: what are PATCHI mixed options? What do we do? I mean,

808
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: maybe he gets offered a fight at the featherweight against

809
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: a big name, because that's just the what's available to him.

810
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: I would love to see this guy in the UFC's

811
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: banda weight division right now, to see him add depth

812
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: and add what I believe right now would be a legitimate,

813
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, upper echelant top five contender, But I don't

814
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: know what is uh, I'm sorry, Long Island corrected me.

815
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: He fought Magomed mago Medov. Good call, my bad, Luke

816
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: on this p question.

817
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: This is so later on we're gonna do like three

818
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: big questions and storylines. This is one of mine. So

819
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to table this part of the conversation if

820
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: we can.

821
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: Let's table Patchy mix on that. Moving forward and stat

822
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: guy No Seeda letting us know that Morob attempted forty.

823
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Nine yet takedowns. Yeah, I mean, it's just just just

824
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: raining on you.

825
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: No Seeda quickly in the UFC's banda white division. Are

826
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: there are there up and comers you're looking at and

827
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: amin's a hobby. Maybe song you don putting it together

828
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: for the first time and really making a run.

829
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean song No, I feel like he's got

830
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: the cory uh curse, we'll call it. I guess where

831
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: he kind of as soon as he steps it up

832
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: falls back down.

833
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: So Hudo's too old, Cheeto probably too much mileage.

834
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: No doesn't have the requisite skill set either.

835
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: I really think it's a four man five man race

836
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: up there, mirob Umar Pyotr, Corey Sean, I'm with you.

837
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. All right, let's go

838
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: to a very exciting division. Of course, it is ruled

839
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: by Ilia Taporia, who also rules Luke Thomas's heart emotions. Also,

840
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: we don't know if he's gonna stay here amid rumors

841
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: of potentially moving up in weight. So featherweight's got a

842
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: lot of fun names, all different ages and experience. Luke Thomas,

843
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: when you look ahead to the year at one forty five,

844
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean you still got vulk lingering. Max is supposed

845
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: to go to lightweight, but will he I don't even

846
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: know if Tuporia is going to defund the title again,

847
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: what are you looking forward to in this coming year.

848
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I'm looking forward to what

849
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm about to say, but I do think it's headed

850
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: our way and we should kind of get ready for it.

851
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: I think that Volkanovsky is going to try to recapture

852
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: the title, and I think the US will probably award

853
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: him something. Now this is let me be clear about this.

854
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: What I'm about to say does not count if what

855
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: we're talking about is interim title fights. I haven't quite

856
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: thought that through. But what I will say is he's

857
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: probably going to try to recapture the full on weight

858
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: class title and will fail.

859
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 4: He will not get.

860
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: It, and I don't know what that will do for

861
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: the remainder of his career, whether he will choose to

862
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: keep fighting, move up, take super fights, whatever. I don't know,

863
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: but I think that my prediction for Featherway of twenty

864
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: twenty four is Volk's gonna try and recapture that that

865
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: title and it's not gonna work, and then we have

866
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: to kind of deal with the with the fallout from there.

867
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: I mean, if he goes in there a second time

868
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: against Saporia, and let's say he gets stopped, It's hard

869
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: to really know what would be left for him. But

870
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: what if Tuporia is gonna leave this division? What if

871
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Vulk gets in against a vacant title opportunity against the

872
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: Diego Lopez against a mossar ev Looev? Does that Does

873
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: that alter alter Bridge Luke the new creed? Does that

874
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: alter what you just said about your bullpridage?

875
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess with Evloyev, I wouldn't maybe think

876
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: twice about it. But if Diego Lopez is the opponent,

877
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: like Vulk is obviously cleaner as a fighter in so

878
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: many ways relative to Diego, but Diego's ability to just

879
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: find random openings in every single phase and seemingly every

880
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: distance in a fight. More to that point, dynamite finishing

881
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: instincts on top of it, I think I think prime

882
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Vulk beats him, no problem. I just don't think that's

883
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: what we got anymore. And he's never had a great chint,

884
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: although he's had obviously amazing, amazing recuperative abilities, I don't

885
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: think it's going to be enough against the guy like theego.

886
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so weird, right, and I hate this

887
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: shit I hate I've seen so many times, 'BC. This

888
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: gets back to the kind of point you made previously

889
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: where it's like people sometimes, okay, so we have to

890
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: be very careful about this. Sometimes fighters have graduated declines,

891
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: and there's a number of factors that go into that,

892
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: how many injuries they had, kind of damage they took,

893
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: what kind of fights they're taking. So you can get

894
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: like a Jim Miller who's had a very graduated decline,

895
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: but you know, he's very careful about the kind of

896
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: fights he takes because he takes them, you know, in

897
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: concert with the kind of stage of the career he's in.

898
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: So they're all pretty winnable in that sense. He's not

899
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: like title or nothing, you know what I mean. But

900
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: one desperately sad fact of fight sports. It's true in

901
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: boxing sometimes too, B see, and I'm sure you can

902
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: recall a couple of examples. There are times, and it's

903
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: not rare, where guys can become pound for pound guys

904
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: in the list and champions, and then they hit a

905
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: rough patch and they just never ever recover. It just

906
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: doesn't work for them. They can't, they cannot get it back.

907
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Let's not say they don't ever win again. But they

908
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: don't have a graduated decline. They have a precipitous one

909
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: that they're kind of able to hang on to in points.

910
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: But I just fear that the damage that Vulk took

911
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: and the nature of the youth movement that's coming up

912
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: in that division, I don't know that he has the

913
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: ingredients anymore to reclaim gold, even in the absence of Ilia,

914
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: but especially if Ilia is there, I think it's pretty hopeless.

915
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. And by the way,

916
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: Volkanovski will turn thirty seven in September of next year.

917
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: Unless you're a Brazilian, Luke, I think the thirty five

918
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: rule does does push you off a sharp cliff. Although

919
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: Blah Muhammad beat the thirty five rule for champions, Rocky

920
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: Pennington did too.

921
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, up up one, not one, fifty five and below.

922
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

923
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: Rocky's won thirty five, but that's like the equivalent of

924
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: like one, you know, one to eighty five over that

925
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: women's division.

926
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: Before I share my bold prediction for bantamweight, Luke, he

927
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: and Talbot should have been mentioned in the bantamweight discussion,

928
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't that true.

929
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: I think he's really interesting, but I just you know,

930
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: it's still very early with him. Okay, so let's see

931
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: he looks he looks dynamite, but you know he hasn't

932
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: fought anybody really great yet.

933
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: So let's see, all right, let's stay at featherweight here.

934
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna this is probably my boldest one because certain

935
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: things would have to happen to really open this door

936
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: for it. But how about Patricio Pitpbull at age thirty seven,

937
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: either fighting out or exiting out in some form of

938
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: his pf eltor deal. He's been the most vocal of

939
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: these expelator champions in big names who can't seem to

940
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: get fights that interest them, or fights at all for

941
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: that matter. What about him coming in making his UFC

942
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: debut and doing so in a title fight to close

943
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: the year? Luke, how insane is that? Are you giving

944
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 2: it like a five percent chance?

945
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that crazy. I just the problem

946
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: is you're asking for a degree of competency from PFL

947
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they have that. I mean

948
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: that genuinely, I don't know if they have that.

949
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: Would you think they'd try to freeze him out as

950
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: much as possible in terms of not give offering him

951
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: fights in succession so he can figure out where he's

952
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: at in his career.

953
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: At this age, I'll say this, I don't think they

954
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: really have a good idea about what to do with him, Okay,

955
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: and that's why they are where they are.

956
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: They don't really I mean.

957
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's a couple things they can do

958
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: with him, but I don't think they like any of them.

959
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't really fit their plans. Dude. The Belltour guys

960
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: didn't fit their plans very well. I mean, it's just

961
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: they've got problems. They've got Well, here's the deal.

962
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: We saw a change right now that UFC in Risin

963
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: seem to be working together in some ways. I Mean,

964
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: you see people talking about Rizin almost becoming a feeder

965
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: league now for UFC. You saw Sean O'Malley at the

966
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve cards representing the UFC, and you saw

967
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Kayastakura go from free agentcy to title opportunity in his

968
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: first fight. Now that was more about Hey, that champion

969
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: had already sort of cleaned out the division. But I

970
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: guess I'm building this on the idea what if Topurius

971
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: stays at featherweight, What if pit Bull can come in

972
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: at the right time as a sexy free agent. I

973
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: want to add in that when Dana was asked about

974
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: him at the most recent postcard press conferences, he keeps saying, oh, yeah,

975
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: pit Bull's a badass. I love him. So do you

976
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: think that if the opening was there, that Dana would

977
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: give him the same respect he gave kayas Takura coming

978
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: in and giving him a title shot, even though they

979
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: are much different ages.

980
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: I could see that happening. But I think if they

981
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: fed pit Bull at this stage to Ilia, I think

982
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: Ilia would demolish.

983
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: Him potentially, But I don't know if Ilia is still

984
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: going to be there. I mean, so let's talk about

985
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: the rest of this UFC division, Luke, that's our real

986
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: question right now. To Puria's status affects a lot of this.

987
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: But in terms of people that are sort of due,

988
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: possibly Volkanovski, your number one contender could get a vacant

989
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: or the next title shot, no doubt. You've got Max

990
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: Hollowa at number two, but we don't really know what's

991
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: going on. He seems to be lightweight, Diego Lopez at

992
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: three and most are Evlav at four are your most

993
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: deserving of this next generation? So do they both get

994
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: title shots this year? Do they have to fight each

995
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: other to maybe produce to Poria's second title fight if

996
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: he ends up fighting Volkanowski or could you see him

997
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: maybe to Poria beat Volkanovski and then exit and go

998
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: full time up to fifty five.

999
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: I think to Poria is going to try and get

1000
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: that Charles olivera fight and then go back down in

1001
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: the year later to fight whoever the rightful guy is

1002
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: at that point.

1003
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: That's kind of my sense of things.

1004
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Okay, do you are you of the belief that they're

1005
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: gonna that they're gonna make Evlav weight because of his style,

1006
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: that they're just gonna keep making him.

1007
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've seen the John Fitch movie before.

1008
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: That's one billion percent. Do they put his last fucking fight,

1009
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: which was a good one on the prelimbs. It's the

1010
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: John Fitch movie over and over again. You can do

1011
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: if you.

1012
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: Can make keep winning, they'll eventually reward it.

1013
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: But they're going to put as many delays and obstacles

1014
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: in there as they can. They don't want, they don't

1015
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: like that, they don't want it. It's valuable to have

1016
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: in certain ways, but it's not what they prioritize. That's

1017
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge for him for sure.

1018
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Hard I want to tell you the featherweight I'm targeting

1019
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: the most to have to have a big year outside

1020
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: of my prediction on Pipoll which is a little bit

1021
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: of a hail Mary, but I'd love to see it.

1022
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got that aides that I got.

1023
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: I'd love to see Pipple get his chance, even though

1024
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: that window is going to be even smaller than Chandlers,

1025
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: to come in and be a part of big fights.

1026
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: Arnold Allen is the friend of the program. Is the

1027
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: guy I'm targeting. Luke. He went two and oh under

1028
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: the radar this past year. He's in the back half

1029
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: of the top ten. Still, he's right at the peak

1030
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: of his physical prime there. I believe he's thirty thirty

1031
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: one years old. He could easily, in my opinion, go

1032
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: two and oh this year, just short of that title level,

1033
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: and we could be heading into twenty six with him

1034
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: as the number one contender. He's been so close before.

1035
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: I think both the loss to Holloway and the loss

1036
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: to Fluev it just felt like if he just did

1037
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more and it felt like he could have,

1038
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: maybe he gets the nod and the edge. There are

1039
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: you seeing an Arnold Allen eventually finally getting a title

1040
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: shot or maybe lingering in the middle of the pack

1041
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: for most of this calendar year.

1042
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: I think he might get a title shot, especially if

1043
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Taporia is really gone, which again is a big X

1044
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: factor here. You're right, he was two and zero. He

1045
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: has been this close so many times. He's got a

1046
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: very defensively sound skill set. I think he's got a

1047
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: little bit of a slow starter.

1048
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 4: But he's got a lot of ability.

1049
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: He's been again, he's been neck and neck with guys

1050
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: who are all time greats. He might be due. He

1051
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: might be due this year.

1052
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 2: Again.

1053
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to borrow the calendar and matchups and

1054
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But he's got the potential, you know,

1055
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: he's got the potential to fight for a title and

1056
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: and and he's got the ability to perform well. Whether

1057
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: all those factors will line up in his favor, we

1058
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: shall see.

1059
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: Let me tell you the four men molsarv Loev has

1060
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: beaten over the last two years. Danygay, Diego Lopez Arnold Allen,

1061
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: Al Jamaine Sterling, Good Lord, Luke, I know that John

1062
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: Fitch comparison, but he's got to win over the other

1063
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: guy who's red Ha and Diego Lopez. Do you believe

1064
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: that because Diego is five and OHO sense the loss

1065
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 2: to f Louev that it wouldn't be a bad idea

1066
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: to see them rematch in a number one contender opportunity.

1067
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather see Diego fight for a title first than

1068
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: running that one.

1069
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: Back unfinished business though he lost it.

1070
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: Can finish it for a title, all right, all right,

1071
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: that is.

1072
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: Not a bad idea. That's somewhat interesting Long Island, Luke,

1073
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: what are we missing here at featherweight? What are you

1074
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: looking out for this year?

1075
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

1076
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: I think Ilia is gonna move up to lightweight, So

1077
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 3: that's where I went with my prediction.

1078
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 5: And I do have Vulk reclaiming the title.

1079
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll end twenty twenty five with

1080
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: the title, but I do think he'll win it back

1081
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: excuse me against Diego or Movsar. I do think if

1082
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: Ilia stays at forty five, you gotta do the Vulc

1083
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: rematch and then you do the Diego Movsar rematch for

1084
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 3: number one contender.

1085
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Why do we have to do the Vulk rematch? Why

1086
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: is vo I mean, you can just say he's a legend,

1087
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: former pound for pound king, but he sort of got

1088
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: extra opportunities twice against Islam right running back that rematch

1089
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: on short notice.

1090
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did them favors in both of those fights.

1091
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 3: He also was coming off four months span of getting

1092
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: knocked out twice in a row. He's got a year

1093
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: off now year plus because he's not even booked yet.

1094
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 5: So I feel like you got to.

1095
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 3: You gotta do him right, give him a full camp,

1096
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: get him in there, see what he can do.

1097
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's keep it going here. We'll

1098
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: go up to lightweight one hundred fifty five pounds, and

1099
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: as we look at it, you're best fighter in the world.

1100
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Is La Maha Chev just a few weeks out. We'll

1101
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: defend against Sarukian in the rematch, and don't forget fourteen

1102
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: fight win streak for Islam in the UFC two shy

1103
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: of Anderson Silva's record, Luke Thomas, when you look at

1104
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: this division, it is in the midst of phasing out

1105
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: the action heroes of old, and there does seem to

1106
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: be a small handful of guys who could have next

1107
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: in the future, even between that into fifteen ranking with

1108
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: guys like Ben Was, Saint Denis, Patty Pimblet. There's guys

1109
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: that are lingling Joel Alvarez at fifteen? What are you

1110
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: looking for as you look ahead here at lightweight?

1111
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Much like my grape drink here in my Vultrex, you know,

1112
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: drink whatever the fuck this is called. The guy I'm

1113
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: about to mention is in is already in the mix

1114
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: in terms of his name. But I think when the

1115
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: year is over, I don't think he's going to get

1116
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: a title shot right away because of some factors we'll

1117
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: discuss here in just a second PC. But I think

1118
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: the year is going to end and your number one

1119
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: contender at lightweight is going to be Illiot to Poria.

1120
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: I think that that is a you know, whether it's

1121
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: Charles Lavera or somebody else. I think by the time

1122
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation in one year's time, to Poria

1123
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: will have secured at least one win up there against

1124
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: a big name that leaves not only no doubt that

1125
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: he should be fighting for a title at one fifty

1126
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: five but could potentially win. Now, the complicating factor, of course, BC,

1127
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: is are we really going to have Islam fight another

1128
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: featherweight essentially, you know, on a pound for pound fight.

1129
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: He already fought two of them. By the way, Ilia

1130
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: just won at forty five. Like, what's going to happen there? Again?

1131
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: St that X factor there, That's really hard to know.

1132
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: But my prediction is he's going to get one big

1133
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: one fifty five fight this year. He's going to dominate it,

1134
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: and that's going to create appetite, enthusiasm and an opening

1135
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: for him in twenty twenty six to fight for the title.

1136
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's see if that happens right there? Interesting,

1137
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: I'll get to my Walter way.

1138
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: See, here's here's the thing very very quickly. See, here's

1139
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: the thing we keep talking about, who's the next guy?

1140
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: Like there is a gamarant Well, he hasn't really improved

1141
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: that much, is it hysive? He's dangerous, but he's kind

1142
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: of hit some walls as well to Pouria. I don't

1143
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: know if he's better than all of those guys, but

1144
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: I think with one big win can just so easily

1145
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: leapfrog them that it won't even really matter, if that

1146
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: makes sense.

1147
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: Look, my prediction for this division in twenty five is

1148
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: Patty Pimblet's gonna have a year. I still don't know

1149
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: if he is truly of the ilk and when he

1150
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: does finally get his opportunity, can he climb that mountain

1151
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: and become a champion. There's still too many questions, even

1152
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: though he's trending in a better direction of late. Don't

1153
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: forget his submission of the Year contender against King Green,

1154
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: and if he's headed toward a money Moykano test fight.

1155
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: I think it's still one that he can win. But

1156
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: what if he goes into the top ten there over

1157
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: the second half of the year and scores a big

1158
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: win over a still highly ranked aging name in what

1159
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: we would look at as a big step up for him. Luke,

1160
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: my Bowl prediction is that pimblet ends the year in

1161
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: the top five at one fifty five, and really, we

1162
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: start setting up what's the site, what's the pay per view,

1163
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 2: what's the venue where he fights for a world title?

1164
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: And look, it's been he came on the scene as

1165
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: sort of a star ready to go. Just unwrap him,

1166
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: throw him out there. Put Molly Metbaal on his shoulders

1167
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: give him a weird barstool sponsorship, and I know that

1168
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: there's been some he hiccups and setbacks, but if he

1169
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: goes in there with the same mentality that he did

1170
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: against King Green, I think he beats Moykano And there's

1171
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: enough aging names like I mentioned where it could just

1172
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: line up perfectly that he could legitimately earn his way

1173
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: into the top. And his name will certainly help him

1174
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: get that push. But because this division is not reloading

1175
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: fast enough, I think you might see a window for

1176
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: Patty to close this year as critically high in terms

1177
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: of how we look at him ranking wise, as maybe

1178
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: he'll ever be in his career.

1179
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: I think this is a phenomenal prediction. You know, I've

1180
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: been down on his development for well fuck most of

1181
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: his UFC run, But he looked really good against Bobby Green.

1182
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: I think when he's in shape, which is a problem

1183
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: for him, but when he is in shape, he looked

1184
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: He looked chiseled out of fucking stone in that fight

1185
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: against Bobby. And if they're right that they're going to

1186
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: match him up with or if the rumors are right

1187
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: that they're going to match him up with Michael Chandler

1188
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: in the new year. That's a winnable fight for Patty

1189
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: and the kind that could really launch his name. BC.

1190
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: I think of all the predictions you have, and I

1191
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: took a glance at some of them, this one, to

1192
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: me seems like the best one you've got. I it's

1193
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: surprising if you would talk to us two years ago,

1194
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: would be like Petty Bible the top five at lightweight,

1195
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: no fucking chance.

1196
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: But Mma is funny.

1197
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: He has he hasn't been exponential, you would agree, right,

1198
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: it's not been exponential improvement, but it has been steady.

1199
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: Some of these other names that we thought were gonna

1200
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: take over just didn't. And now look where we are.

1201
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: He's on the cusp of potentially again. We think getting

1202
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: a Chandler fight, which I think at this stage is

1203
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: very winnable for him. Yes, I think this is a

1204
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: good prediction by you.

1205
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And I think, Luke, it is time.

1206
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: As much as I love these aging action heroes which

1207
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: still make up the top ten of this division, it

1208
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: is time from a ranking standpoint, for these guys to

1209
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: phase out and for that next level of Patty Mcano

1210
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: Alvarez a BSD who's not done dude, BSD is not done.

1211
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: He's got to put that rough stretch behind him, for sure, but.

1212
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 4: He's got to tighten up stuff.

1213
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: He's just he's just all he's he's it's not quite

1214
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: the same, but he reminds me of Yeerie at one

1215
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: fifty five. We was just offense, you know, yes, and

1216
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: you can go pretty far with that. But then when

1217
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: you start fighting the really good guys, that's when the

1218
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: problems you emerge. But he's young enough and athletic enough

1219
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: where I think he can tighten some of that up.

1220
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: It's just time, in my opinion, for the gaigchees, poorious

1221
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: chandlers to fight consistently these next generation guys and let's

1222
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: see what we got. I know we've seen some of

1223
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: those you know iterations geichee versus physivue along. I don't

1224
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: look you at anything bold here to say about fifty five.

1225
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: Probably not that bold, and you kind of just said

1226
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: it yourself, PC, But my prediction was that like, out

1227
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: of the top ten, and you could probably say this

1228
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: about any division. Out of the top ten, at least

1229
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: five of those guys are not going to be in

1230
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: the top ten anymore. Yeah, cooking the Poorier's the hookers, Chandlers,

1231
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: Dari Juge.

1232
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Well Hooker, my hooker, do that one over Gamrock. Okay, okay, okay.

1233
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I understand that the larger picture is not what the

1234
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: Gamro fight represents. But he's fucking crafty, dude. He found

1235
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: a way to put himself back in the mix and

1236
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: that we none of us really saw coming.

1237
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 3: Everyone I just named is crafty though, and could obviously

1238
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: still be here. I'm just saying, I think these are

1239
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: the most likely names that they put against enough Joel

1240
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: Alvarez or something, and they come up to Joe Avarez

1241
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: is going to have a real big year.

1242
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 2: I think indeed, all right, let's go to welterweight here,

1243
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy pounds. We seem to be all

1244
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: set up finally for the breakthrough title fight opportunity for

1245
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: shav cut Rock Monoff after that close went over Ian

1246
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: Gary with Bala Muhammad's injury, so we know from a

1247
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: big picture standpoint, that's what we're looking at. But look,

1248
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: I'll go first here. My bowl prediction is this that

1249
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: your bold prediction for lightweight probably makes sense, which is

1250
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: Ilio Traporia moving up and becoming a top contender. Why

1251
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: because I firmly believe if Isla Machev defeats Armand Saruki

1252
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: and in just a few weeks in the rematch, even

1253
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: though it's not a guarantee that if you look at

1254
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: where he's at thirty three years old, the pomp for

1255
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: pound best in the sport usmander Maga Matov eventually is

1256
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: going to come on that ship and come over here

1257
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: and compete for that title in my opinion, but he's

1258
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: got to get through Paul Fughes first. I think my

1259
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: bold prediction is this Isla Mahachev moves up because he

1260
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: will have no one left to fight at one fifty

1261
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: five after that Sary you can rematch. Even though it

1262
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: would only be his fourth title defense, it would seem

1263
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: it would seem to be a cleaning out of the division,

1264
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: especially if you count the two wins over Volkanovski. Moving up.

1265
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: This division's aging and it's time. My prediction is Mahachev

1266
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: goes from that aging division two welterweight and Luke I

1267
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: could see a scenario where he closes the year fighting

1268
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: Shavkatt for the championship and it would be a hillatiously

1269
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: great fight on paper, but I think it's one that

1270
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: the best fighter in the world needs to be taken

1271
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: seriously from an odd standpoint that he can win that.

1272
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: My prediction is Mahachev does. Whether he goes through Shavcut

1273
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: orbit Lal, he closes the year as a two division champion,

1274
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: leaves the title of fifty five behind, and continues moving

1275
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: forward for as long as he's going to stay here.

1276
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a bad prediction.

1277
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: Man. This one is tough because you know he wants

1278
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: to go to one seventy, right, so that's on the table.

1279
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I think he's the pound for pound best guy in

1280
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: the sport. I'm not even sure where they rank him

1281
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: anymore in UFC, but certainly he's He's in that at

1282
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: or near that position, and you would think if he

1283
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: gets another win, you know, why wouldn't they do that?

1284
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: So I I I'll say this BC. I think that

1285
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: prediction only comes true if balal Mohammad retains the title.

1286
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, because he won't fight Ballall. He would

1287
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: only fight He would only fight Chovcott, Well.

1288
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: He would Shavka.

1289
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: You think he would fight Bola. Aren't they teammates?

1290
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't know how deep their brotherhood is but they

1291
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: are teammates, they have the same manager.

1292
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: I don't think they're camping.

1293
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay, correct me if I'm wrong on this, and again

1294
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: the viewers can correct me. Along Island Luke, I believe

1295
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: that I have heard Ballall say that as long as

1296
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: Islam is the champ, there's no way that they're going

1297
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: to fight.

1298
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: If I can't confirm or deny the quote, but I

1299
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: know that like Habib has been in Ballall's corner the

1300
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: last two camps and stuff.

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: He's like part of that team, all.

1302
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Right, dude, I mean, and and the reality is, I

1303
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: think Blall's team in Chicago is maybe the most underrated

1304
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: team in MMA. Those guys are amazing. But I also

1305
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: think that being with Abib has helped level. I mean,

1306
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: both of them have helped him be the champion that

1307
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: he has become. But I think if Shafcot wins, then

1308
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: that is where it gets really interesting.

1309
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: That is a fair point I need to take seriously.

1310
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, Blall's got a shot here. I mean,

1311
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: we don't know if Shafcott's moment anymore, we don't know,

1312
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: we don't know. This could be a good fight, you know.

1313
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: Well, then let me get to my Walterwey prediction, because

1314
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: this is what I still believe. I've gone through a

1315
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: range of interpretations, the one I had in real time,

1316
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: the one I had a couple days after, and now

1317
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: the one I'm in today, and so like you know,

1318
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: if it feels like I'm not haveing an inconsistent position,

1319
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: it probably because it has been inconsistent, right. I'm trying

1320
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: to deal with the information and process it as we

1321
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: get it. But here's what I basically believe. I believe

1322
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: that Ballall is a very good fighter, again, an elite one.

1323
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: He's a champion at one seventy and very underrated and underappreciated.

1324
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: But I think that the fight against Gary was I'm

1325
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: not gonna say flukeish. I don't think that's quite right.

1326
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: But I think Shafkott is going to have a much

1327
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: better performance against Blaw. I think he's going to win

1328
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: that title, and I think it's going to be a

1329
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: bit of a moment for us to reflect on what

1330
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: happened in the Gary fight. As Again, Aberant seems a

1331
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: little bit strong, because I do think that there is

1332
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: a clear reality that Rochmanov is disdainful of defense in

1333
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: both the grappling and the stand up department. I do

1334
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: think that is real and that could cost him both

1335
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: in his next fight and any potential one as long

1336
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: as he employs that attitude. Nevertheless, I think he has

1337
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: been hobbled by injury in more ways than we understand,

1338
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: and some of that will.

1339
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: Go away when you see him against Muhammad.

1340
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, then that could make my prediction very true in

1341
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: the end. I mean, Luke, would you I said it

1342
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: that Rob Umar is a hardcore wet dream. I can't

1343
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: wait to see that fight. Even with the wider than

1344
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: expected odds or expected from me. How much does the

1345
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: idea of Mahachev potentially gets showcutt even though we are

1346
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: definitely projecting things that need to happen to get there.

1347
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: How much would that just put you in a room

1348
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: that was suddenly covered in white?

1349
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: Be a lot of ejaculating, It would be one of

1350
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not big on these pound for pound fights,

1351
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: not that I don't think that they are good ideas

1352
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: in theory, it's just none of the matchups really excite me.

1353
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: A couple of couple of challenges to that, I think,

1354
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, I would take Ilia versus Islam. I think

1355
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: Ilia has work to do, but we've talked about this.

1356
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: That'd be a good fight. I think uh DDP versus

1357
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: uh Poeton at two o five, not a one any five,

1358
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: but at two oh five. I think that could be interesting.

1359
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: And there might be some other ones, but those are

1360
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: the two ones that stand out to me. The rest

1361
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: of them I could take or leave. And you know, again,

1362
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: you could do Poeton versus tom Aspinall BC, and that's

1363
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: that'd be big, But I think tom Aspinall just kind

1364
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: of washes them, to be honest with you, Shafcott and

1365
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: Ilio excuse me, Shafcott and Islam is an interesting one.

1366
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 4: That is an interesting one.

1367
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: Because I definitely believe that Islam is more skilled and

1368
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: certainly defensively much better. No, I mean, just no question

1369
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: about it. But the size difference is real, and I

1370
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: just wonder what that would mean for him, especially against

1371
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: a guy who you know, struggled I think is a

1372
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: strong word, but had some challenges in the first fight

1373
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: against a one to forty five guy. So yeah, I

1374
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: would be all in favor of seeing a fight like that.

1375
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: Okay, quickly does the Islam turn against Dustin where Poirier

1376
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: actioned his way back into that fight. Does that give

1377
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: you any pause that at thirty three Islam might not

1378
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: still be the pomp upon superhero king? Or is that

1379
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: just a tough ass fight against a tough ass out right?

1380
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, listen, is Dustin Poirier now or at

1381
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: any point the best lightweight in the world. No, But

1382
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: you can't think of it quite like that, right. You

1383
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: have to think of it like moment to moment, round

1384
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: to round. How skilled is he? And of course there

1385
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: are plenty of deficiencies in his skill set, like there

1386
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: is for anybody, But dude, he's experienced as hell. He's

1387
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: as tough as they absolutely come. He has faced every

1388
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of fighter that one and one fifty five basically

1389
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: in terms of style could throw at him. He has

1390
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: been there across multiple generations of fighters. He's got dynamite power,

1391
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: which is the last thing to go. Yeah, dude, that

1392
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be fucking tough. He's gonna be fucking tough,

1393
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody like Islam can beat him, and he did.

1394
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: But the idea that you're just gonna walk through a

1395
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: guy like that, even when your pound for pound great

1396
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: seems to me foolish, foolish, This is not two o

1397
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: five where you're beating you know, guys who would just

1398
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: pledge to not engage in certain parts of the game

1399
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: with you. And again I like low Roundtree. I just

1400
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: think that's emblematic of the state of two oh five. Dude,

1401
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: that's you don't get those luxuries if you're Islam Makachev,

1402
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: you don't get shit like that. You get guys who

1403
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: are dull, who are coming to take your head off

1404
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: whatever way they can find. The fact that Islam put

1405
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: him away, to me, says a lot more than the

1406
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: fact that that paryer pushed him a little bit in

1407
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: moments of that fight.

1408
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: For sure, Luke, I don't disagree with what you said

1409
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: right there, and I love Shavcot, but I'm here to

1410
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: tell you that I would back Islam even if Islam

1411
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: was the betting under Wow. I will lack him in

1412
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: that fight. He doesn't have mistakes. His entire game is

1413
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: so true, tightened up and ratchet, and I wonder if

1414
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: the move up and weight would give him before he

1415
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: gets too old, a window where he could weaponize his

1416
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: wrestling even more in this division.

1417
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, Luke uh long Hanan, Luke, break the

1418
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: tie shaf Cop versus Islam at one seventy.

1419
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: Who wins, it doesn't matter because Baalaal beats shov Cut

1420
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: remains champion at the end of twenty twenty five.

1421
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 5: That's my pinion. Now I'd have to go Islam. Probably

1422
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: I won something.

1423
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,959
Speaker 1: Dude, the roses, the bloom is off the rose. Whatever

1424
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: the fucking expression is. At this point, it sound like

1425
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: two do Ortiz people have lost confidence in shof Cut.

1426
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: Very interesting it is it is I just have so

1427
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: much confidence in Islam. And by the way, long Island

1428
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: Luke producing quotes from mahach or sorry from Muhammad Balal

1429
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: who said, yes, one hundred percent, I would never fight Islam,

1430
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: oh Luke. Quick question on the second generation here at

1431
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: welterweight below the title picture. In terms of the young

1432
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: guys who are looking to parishut In, I'm talking about

1433
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: number four ranked Jack Della Maddelena, number five, Sean Brady

1434
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: number six, Joaquin Buckley Buckley, Ian Gary at seven. I

1435
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: also want to consider Michael Morales at twelve and Carlos

1436
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: Pratish at thirteen. That's a group of about five or

1437
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: six able bodied, largely exciting and aggressive fighters who want

1438
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 2: to get in this title picture. Who of that group

1439
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: are you most confident about is going to really make

1440
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: those moves and crash the party.

1441
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: Here projest I think is exciting, But I'm untested against

1442
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, really good guys. But that doesn't mean he

1443
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: can't win. I'm just saying we don't know enough about

1444
01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying there. I'd say, and Brady you know,

1445
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have like, you know, huge power in the stand up.

1446
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: But I mean, bro, if if Ian Gary can take

1447
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: your back, Sean Brady is going to have his weight

1448
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: with you, right if that's if, if if what Gary

1449
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: showed against uh Shatcott is true and that my interpretation

1450
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: that it's a bit misleading is wrong, Sean Brady is

1451
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna feast on that guy. I'd say it's a tie

1452
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: in terms of my enthusiasm about what you're talking about.

1453
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 4: Between Sean Brady and Jack Dala.

1454
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: I think Da Dayla is healthy. He's gonna he's gonna

1455
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: get to the top of this division.

1456
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think, I mean, I think

1457
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: Sean Brady will too. Actually, I you know, Sean Brady,

1458
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this at CFC, he

1459
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: did the grappling event and then afterwards called for a

1460
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: fight with Leon Edwards. I don't know if he's gonna

1461
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: get it, but think about that for a second, Sean

1462
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: Brady versus Leon Edwards. I Sean Brady aggressive on takedowns,

1463
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: pushing you up against the fence, trying to find his

1464
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: way to the back. But Ball did that. He that's

1465
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: a tough fight for Leon. So that's a tough fight

1466
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: for Sean too. Obviously it's a two way difficulty, but

1467
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: I think those guys are the future.

1468
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: Edwards and I didn't mention him in talking about this division.

1469
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: He was just pump for top five and then he

1470
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: had a bad fight with Palal.

1471
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean excuses afterwards too.

1472
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: It was brilliant, true, But do we lump him in

1473
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: that Usman Covington older generation of lingering welterweight names or

1474
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: is he still viable?

1475
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 4: I love me some rockety. I think he can still

1476
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: beat somebody good. I don't think he's getting this title back.

1477
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't disagree with that until I see

1478
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: him again. But he's younger. He's older than we realize, right,

1479
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: what would you guess he is?

1480
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: I think he's thirty four.

1481
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 4: Is Lewards.

1482
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: Let me let me see here, he's thirty three right now.

1483
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: He will be thirty four.

1484
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: August, so he's got some time.

1485
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: He's for sure for sure. All right, let's keep it

1486
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: going up to middleweight, which I thought was sort of

1487
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: the sexiest division this calendar year at the title level,

1488
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 2: with the big fights that could have been made that

1489
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: we're made, that we're still talking about, especially considering Hamzat

1490
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: Chimaya is knocking on that door. He won't get the

1491
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: next title shot. That will be when Sean Strickland goes

1492
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 2: to Australia for the rematch with DDP. But what a

1493
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: year for drickis duplus finishing third and most People's Fighter

1494
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: of the Year ballot Luke. When you look at this division, dude,

1495
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 2: they got some star power here. What's your boldest take

1496
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: for the new year?

1497
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: I think that I think the guy I'm about to

1498
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: say will compete throughout the year. I don't think it's,

1499
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, one loss and done, That's not really what

1500
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think we'll compete throughout the year. But

1501
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if is he very surprised

1502
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: as a strong word, I would be somewhat surprised, somewhat

1503
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: surprised if is he is still fighting in twenty twenty six,

1504
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: I think he might retire after one more year of competition.

1505
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean again, I've said it before, right, he's at

1506
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: worst the second best middleweight of all time.

1507
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 4: There's simply no dispute about that.

1508
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: He has a much better record than why I've been,

1509
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: a much better record than rock Hold, you na. But

1510
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: the only one he can't beat is Silva. I don't

1511
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: know they fought, you know, he fought a diminished Silva,

1512
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: but you get the idea. So now he's back on

1513
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: fight nights now. Granted it's a big fight night because

1514
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: it's the one in Saudi Arabia, memory serves, right, So

1515
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: that's the one that the kingdom pays for, like an

1516
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: unusually good fight night, and I think they're getting one

1517
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: against Nest sardine Imovov. You know, that's a guy, our

1518
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: quality of guy who's not bad by any stretch of

1519
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: the imagination, but that's a guy I feel like in

1520
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: his prime he would have smoked, and I feel like

1521
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: we're past that. So I still think he's a good

1522
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: a very good fighter. I think he can beat guys.

1523
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: But if he were to suffer, maybe not in this one,

1524
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: but in a subsequent fight, a devastating knockout loss, and

1525
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: you're competing on fight nights and you're not in pay

1526
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: per view anymore, and your legacy is such a that's

1527
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: irrelevant concern is fully secured. I mean, there's not even

1528
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: anybody who is even close to having, you know, what

1529
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: he has other than Anderson Silva. I don't understand what

1530
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: the point would be. He's had a long combat sports career.

1531
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: He's had a gazillion boxing fights. He's had a gazillion

1532
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 1: kickboxing fights. I think well over one hundred between them,

1533
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: and then you're throw an MM I think, or maybe

1534
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: it's all three, but it puts him over one hundred

1535
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: pro combat sports fights, you know, and if you're at

1536
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: the point now where you're past your prime, it's dangerous.

1537
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: You're not fighting for big money anymore because you're not

1538
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: getting the pay per viewpoints.

1539
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: I I is.

1540
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: He is many things. One of them is smart, and

1541
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: usually I think understands the nature of his own career

1542
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: and where he is in it at times better than

1543
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: some of us. So I could be totally wrong about this,

1544
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not wishing difficulty upon him. It would be

1545
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: a great joy to me. For if he went undefeated

1546
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: this year or something, I'd be like, well, shit, I'm

1547
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: glad my prediction is wrong, because this is fucking great.

1548
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: But I just have a feeling that, like, you know,

1549
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: he's slowing down. I think that's I don't think that's

1550
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: unfair to say. Yeah, he's had twenty eight MMA fights,

1551
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: eighty kickboxing fights and six boxing fights's your profights, obviously,

1552
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: so he is one hundred and fourteen fights in total. BC.

1553
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: If things start going south this year, what would be

1554
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: the point in continuing. You've made the most amount of

1555
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: money you're gonna make, You've secured your legacy, You're not

1556
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: on the big shows anymore. Again, assuming that, you know,

1557
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: my sense of things continues, you know, what's the incentive

1558
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: structure in place at that point? You know, I'm with you.

1559
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: I can only add to this when we get to

1560
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: light heavyweight in a second spoiler alert, but I'm with

1561
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: you on there. Look, my bold take at middleweight said

1562
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: Bo Nickel, will suffer a loss this year, his first

1563
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: of his pro career, and I don't think that necessarily

1564
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: means he's derailed as a prospect. Found out to be

1565
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: a fraud. I don't like the speed of how he's

1566
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: been matched. I think he's you know, he's had so

1567
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: much time off between big sort of showcase opportunities, but

1568
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 2: he's coming off that performance against Paul Craig that just

1569
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: there were like too much to just sniff out there,

1570
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: that things aren't maybe what we thought they were, and

1571
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: it's like it was a little bit overblown, you know,

1572
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 2: him not bringing the fight to the ground. He's still

1573
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 2: controlled and one on his feet, but it felt like

1574
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 2: there was a disconnect in the post fight interview in

1575
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: the press conference afterward about where Nickel actually is and

1576
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 2: about why that was a dangerous strategy sort of try

1577
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 2: to point box from the outside in a fight that

1578
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 2: really didn't have a lot of action that could have

1579
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: been scored against him and could have been a big

1580
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: blow to his rise. I think that his striking game

1581
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: is certainly not where it needs to be to equal

1582
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: that of the ground game, and I think he's gonna

1583
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: find that out. He's gonna obviously have to match himself

1584
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: higher now against Now he fought a veteran who's on

1585
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: the way out against Craig. It's time we got to

1586
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: see what he's made of, and I think when we

1587
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 2: do see it, I think he's gonna lose a competitive fight.

1588
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: It's not at the end of that. It's not gonna

1589
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: kill him. I still argue that him fighting that way

1590
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: against Craig doesn't necessarily have to be a long term disaster.

1591
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: It could actually help him to get the three rounds

1592
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: of experience on that level on a card that big.

1593
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: But Luke, I don't think he's gonna go in there

1594
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: and do what Hamza did to dd to sorry to

1595
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: Whittaker and uh and did to whom I thinking who

1596
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: to Hamza run through Oh, I'm thinking of what DDP

1597
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 2: did Whitaker. It's not gonna be like what Hamsat did

1598
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: to Whittaker. Dude, Like I think, I think Bo's further

1599
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: out from that. He's still an interesting prospect. But I

1600
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: don't see how you cannot be a little bit down

1601
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: on him based on the lack of stepping up and

1602
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: shining over the past two years and showing us.

1603
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: I will say that the best criticism I think it's

1604
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: one we made too. But I saw others say it

1605
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: about Bo was like he I thought some of the

1606
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: criticism he faced in the Paul Craig fight. Some was unfair,

1607
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: and this is what I mean. I thought that people

1608
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: missed one key aspect of it, which is Bo has

1609
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: not had a lot of in cage time, and getting

1610
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: three rounds against a you know, a limited but quality

1611
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 1: fighter is a important be quite helpful.

1612
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 4: And see he did get to work on his striking.

1613
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: Now his striking was shown to be quite limited as

1614
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: a result, but nevertheless he got fifteen minutes to work

1615
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: on it. I think people really underestimate the value of

1616
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: that in getting him to the next place that he

1617
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: wants to be. Even if you can say, well I

1618
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: left a lot to be desired, I really feel like

1619
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: will miss the boat on that one. However, However, the

1620
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: strongest criticism is the one that I think you and

1621
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: I made at the time, and I saw again I

1622
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: saw others say, which is okay, fair enough. There is

1623
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: value in what he achieved there in terms of what

1624
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: it could do for him, in terms of what it showcased,

1625
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: but in terms of what it can do for him,

1626
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, as a fighter. But he should have been

1627
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: able to take Craig down, pass his fucking guard, or

1628
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: take his back or you know, some kind of turtle

1629
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: position and just absolutely pound him out. It's like, do

1630
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: you think Habib, you know, or Hamzat since it's the

1631
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: same weight class, do you think Hamzad would have like, oh,

1632
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to avoid the guard of Paul Craig because

1633
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: he has a good guard. Dude, he would have run

1634
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: right through that shit. Now, of course Hamzat has good

1635
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: power and can strike on the feet too, We've seen that.

1636
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if he chose to do does anybody

1637
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: think that hamza would have been the least bit afraid

1638
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: of engaging on the ground with Paul Craig? Not even

1639
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, not zero, none, not even occur to him.

1640
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: And to me it's like, I think an opportunity was missed.

1641
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: If you wanted two rounds to go in there and

1642
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: strike with the guy, that's fine. That third round you

1643
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: should have taken him down and just blown right through him.

1644
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: If that's really what the skill set is that you have.

1645
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: And the fact that he didn't do that, I think

1646
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: tells me that there are some developmental issues.

1647
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: At play fully fully agree with that. Let's talk quickly

1648
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: about the title picture. There's three guys in this title picture,

1649
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: so I want to get long Island. Luke's take, You've

1650
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 2: got the champion DDP, he's gonna be rematching Sean Strickland,

1651
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 2: and you've got the runaway freight train that is Hamzat

1652
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: chimayav Who closes this year? It's champion Thosita all right?

1653
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 5: Who close it?

1654
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 3: If they give hams out the title shot because I'm

1655
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: if he also he's rumored to move up to two

1656
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 3: oh five. Now we don't know what the deal is

1657
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 3: with that. You can scoff all you want. It might happen.

1658
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 3: I my bold prediction is that this title will change

1659
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 3: hands more than once this year. I could see the

1660
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 3: world where Strickland wins the rematch against DDP and then

1661
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: they make and then is he bt Mavov?

1662
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 5: And then they isy versus Strickland?

1663
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: Wow?

1664
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 3: And then is he wins the belt again? And then

1665
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: is he loses to Hamzad or something like that.

1666
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 5: I could see it. It could happen. There's a timeline.

1667
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 2: There is a timeline, Luke Thomas, are we not putting

1668
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: enough respect on DDP? Even with Tomza in the distance,

1669
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: Even with Strickland who he barely beat the first time.

1670
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: Ddp's on a run right now? Could he end this

1671
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: year's champion.

1672
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: I think he could. I think he could. I tend

1673
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: to think it will be Tremaiav who ends the years champion.

1674
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: But I think dude DDP is the king of people

1675
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: being like, oh, he can't win, and then he just

1676
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: fucking wins. You know what I mean? How many times

1677
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: have we been like, oh, he didn't have skills to

1678
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: beat this guy, he doesn't have the ability to beat

1679
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: this guy. He's never thought a guy like this, and

1680
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: then every time he just sort of finds a fucking way.

1681
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: It's like winners, you know, I hate, I hate the winners,

1682
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: and there's losers. But it's true there's a certain kind

1683
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: of person in competitive sports who manufactures opportunity by just

1684
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: being relentless. And he's one of those guys. And he'd

1685
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: also well that's not quite true. I won't say that

1686
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: second part, but I think between the physicality, the durability,

1687
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: and then you know, Robert Troe Solditch has something to

1688
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: say about that, but in general, the durability and in

1689
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: general the physicality, and you know, Hamzat is a bull

1690
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: in a China shot, but he makes mistakes too. I

1691
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: could see. I think it will either I'll say this.

1692
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: I think it will either be Hamzad or DDP. I

1693
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: don't think anyone else is really in close contention.

1694
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Hamza and I can't

1695
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: wait to see that fight. But Strickland, Strickland may take

1696
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: it back from I don't think Strickland will, but he may.

1697
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1698
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: It's in play that he takes it back. You got

1699
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: long Island Luke scenario. I think they've got to put

1700
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: tramaiav in the title fight as fast as possible. I'm

1701
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 2: still shocked he wasn't in this one in Australia. It's

1702
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: not a travel issue. I don't get it. But we'll see.

1703
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Abu Dhabi was like, we need him in October.

1704
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: That's what we do. We pay you a lot of money,

1705
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: give us what we want. We want him to win

1706
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: the title then and there. Maybe we'll see what happens.

1707
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: Walter wait was so deep that I can't wait from

1708
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: the Buckley's moralesis protest just to all fight each other,

1709
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: Gary and we'll find out. It's not as deep at

1710
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 2: middleweight Luke, but with just the same I want to

1711
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: see if Fluffy Hernandez Kyle Barrajo. I want to see

1712
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 2: some of these guys if they're ready to get that

1713
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: second generation close to competing now, because it is time

1714
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: to get those guys ready and find out who's coming

1715
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: on at middleweight. But Joe Pifer in that mix, Bo Nicol,

1716
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: of course, it will be fun to see how it

1717
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: plays out. Let's go over to light heavyweight. Luke Thomas,

1718
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: what do you got for me in twenty five? It's

1719
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 2: been poloton for a while now since gaining the belt

1720
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 2: from Ata Sonia. I'm sorry losing the belt from out

1721
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: of Sonia at middlewaight going up to light heavyweight, and

1722
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: we know the run he's on in the year he

1723
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: had last year. He could get in, get in a

1724
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 2: pair of chute and end up at heavyweight at any point.

1725
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: Who knows, just like some Chamaya fight could happen. But

1726
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: what are you looking for? Which is most likely to

1727
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 2: happen in this new year?

1728
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: I think before the year is up, there's a very

1729
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: good chance he just drops the belt and for a

1730
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: final act, moves to heavyweight, especially since we'll talk about

1731
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: the heavyweight predictions. I think that you know one way

1732
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: or the other. Let's put it that way. One way

1733
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: or the other. Both Aspinall and Jones want a fight

1734
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: with him. There's too much interest in that for that

1735
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: to not happen. And how how old is Poton? I

1736
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: think he'll be thirty eight this year.

1737
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, in July he'll be thirty eight.

1738
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: He'll be thirty eight in July, which is not ancient,

1739
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's good for heavyweight. And folks have said,

1740
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: what about a fight versus Gone, I think Poton. I

1741
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: think Poton can win that fight, you know what I mean.

1742
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: And there's some Volkov too, Like Poton versus Volkov is interesting.

1743
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: It's not to say he couldn't stay at two o

1744
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: five and keep winning, but I think there's a lot

1745
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: of incentive for him, both in terms of a big

1746
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: Marquis fight Aspinall or Jones or whatever, and then beyond that,

1747
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: very winnable fights for him up there as he ages.

1748
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: I tend to think that like just fucking around at

1749
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: two oh five. I'm not gonna say it's a waste

1750
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: of his time. That seems a little strong, but you

1751
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: know you've already beaten if you beat migament On Calive,

1752
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: and I tend to think there's a good chance he

1753
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: will that's the big fight at two of five. You

1754
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: want to see if he just washes on Calive. You

1755
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: could say a hill rematch, but he's got work against Yeri.

1756
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: Yuri's already lost twice to polotog Suit.

1757
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I can answer your question with my

1758
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: bold prediction if you want, let's hear it. I'm not

1759
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: saying that like I'm gonna wave the flag and say

1760
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: this has to happen. It needs to happen. But here's

1761
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: my thing. Yes, they could shove in against Pereira Chimayev,

1762
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: and it's such a sexy star power matchup that our

1763
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: complaining would stop somewhat soon and we just get into

1764
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: that matchup. And yes, I agree that if inevitably he's

1765
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: heading to heavyweight, but I don't think it'll happen until

1766
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: twenty six, and I think he'll end up fighting Anklia first,

1767
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 2: and if Out of Sonia beats hima Imovov, even though

1768
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 2: that's at middleweight. Luke I could see a scenario that

1769
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: UFC looks at the super fights available and says we

1770
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 2: could get one more for the light heavyweight title if

1771
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 2: we do a Poeton versus Out of Sonya trilogy. And

1772
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: I think Alex knocks him out in their third fight,

1773
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: and and your prediction comes true that Adasnia ends this

1774
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: year retiring. But could you see that scenario happening if

1775
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: Adasnja redeems himself against im Avov in a close but

1776
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: strong win, and if Poeton goes through ankleive that we

1777
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: could catch that lottery ticket once more.

1778
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: It's an interesting one. I I get the sense that

1779
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: if you're easy, you feel like one of the first

1780
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: three fights you should have won one of them. No,

1781
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: obviously got knocked out in what was it, the second

1782
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: kickboxing fight, so that it wouldn't count, but he thinks I.

1783
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 4: Think he believes he rightfully should have won their first one.

1784
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: And I think he also believes that, you know, the

1785
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: stoppage came a little early in the first MMA fight,

1786
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: and then you finally get a fourth chance and you

1787
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: viciously ko him. I don't I think if you're easy,

1788
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: you probably are at a point where you're like, I

1789
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: don't have much more to gain from this. Yeah.

1790
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Marquez after knocking out Pakia on the fourth fight,

1791
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 2: we were like, fifth fight.

1792
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 4: Anybody, Marcus, and Marquez was like, Nope, not happening.

1793
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: This is like the rivalry. Yeah, I mean it's different.

1794
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't think per uh, I don't think out of

1795
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 2: sign it could act like that posture that he won

1796
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: the rivalry. But maybe he's just realizing that.

1797
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1798
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: But if he beats him Avov, it's like what is

1799
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: next for him? He just fought for the middleway title

1800
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: and lost, Like what would he be hanging around for

1801
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: just celebrity fun fights. This is kind of a celebrity

1802
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: fund title fight that has history.

1803
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's I think he's looking to

1804
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: see if there's a chance that he can maybe leap

1805
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: frog Hamzat in the event that he beats Imovov and

1806
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: then you know, again, something happens.

1807
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 4: Between you and I.

1808
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 2: They if they do that at middleweight, then Tamaiev's coming

1809
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: up to light heavyweight and fighting for the title because

1810
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 2: what else would you be doing for with.

1811
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Again, I think it's Shamaia should get

1812
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: the winner, no, no matter what. But you know it'll

1813
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: be interesting. But this is what I mean. I mean,

1814
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: they're giving is he to like, you know, younger and

1815
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: he can't see Imovov some I'm not gonna say damaged goods,

1816
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: but somewhat known of a quantity. You know, it seems

1817
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: like I think cashing out is he is is too

1818
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: strong a word, but transitioning him, I think away from

1819
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: the title picture is sort of in play here.

1820
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: You know, you could argue that in the top ten

1821
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: or maybe even fifteen at this division, the only guy

1822
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: we still don't know about it that's rising is Carlos Olberg.

1823
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: Everybody else's been to the top and still lingering action fighters.

1824
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: It's not a deep division anymore. Although there's a lot

1825
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: of names. I want to see what Oldberg can do

1826
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: this year. He's going to step up in his next

1827
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: fight and get a big opportunity.

1828
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: So I saw a rumor. I don't I think it

1829
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: might be bullshit, But I saw a rumor that Olberg

1830
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: is next for a Poeton.

1831
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 5: And it's Olberg's booked. He's fighting Jon Blohovich.

1832
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: Oh what am I saying? Yeah? So this was this

1833
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,799
Speaker 1: was a while ago. Was a bullshit rumor. But anyway,

1834
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: I had.

1835
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Seen that fake Michael Benson account that got no.

1836
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Suit two ends. Yeah. Anyway, can you imagine if they

1837
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: had tried that, if they were going to leap frog uncle,

1838
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I have to give him Olberg. I'd be like, holy

1839
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 1: fucking shit, if I'm uncle.

1840
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: Dude right by the way that that fake account got

1841
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith the other day with the fake Deontay

1842
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: Wilder retirement announcement of.

1843
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: James responded to Colby, coving to him, let's not you know.

1844
01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: That is true.

1845
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: That is true.

1846
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to heavyweight. Let's go to the

1847
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: big one right here, Luke Thomas John Jones is the champion.

1848
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 2: Tom Aspiral's the interim champion. I said I was fifty

1849
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: five percent confident that they make that fight next year. Dude,

1850
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: I really really really believe they're going to make that

1851
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: fight next year. I know chill Sonon just said it

1852
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: guarantee it it's gonna happen, which could mean it's probably

1853
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: not gonna happen at all. You do have the idea

1854
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 2: of Poeton moving in here. You've got Francis and Ghanu

1855
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: on the other side of the line. Shout out to

1856
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 2: rug rug in one championship. Luke, give me a prediction

1857
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: for this division next year.

1858
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is easy for me because I don't

1859
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: think it really matters what happens in the division. I mean,

1860
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: it matters what happens in the division. But I'm saying,

1861
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: no matter the permutation, one man will be king in

1862
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: one year's time, and it's Tom Aspinall. I am as

1863
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: convinced of that as I think of anything in MMA,

1864
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: and that's of course all conditional. But if the John

1865
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: fight doesn't happen, Tom will be your champion. If the

1866
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: John fight does happen, I still think Tom will be

1867
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: your champion. If you know, some other fight compans there,

1868
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: Poeton moves up and they make it, Tom Aspinall will

1869
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: be your champ. Tom Aspinall is going to be your champion.

1870
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: About that, there is just very little doubt in my mind.

1871
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: So I hope that John the Jones fight gets made.

1872
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that it will. We'll have to see,

1873
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: But I think it's irrelevant to the details as it

1874
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: pertains to who will be hoisting that belt when in

1875
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: one year's time it's going to be Tom Aspinall, and

1876
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: that is you know, that's a that's a virtual guarantee.

1877
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. I do give Jones a chance,

1878
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: for sure, but I think you can pick out more

1879
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 2: things in the Stipe fight that you didn't love about

1880
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 2: Jones coming off of the injury in the layoff than

1881
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 2: what you did. I'm agreeing with you. I'll take that bet.

1882
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: My big bold prediction here surrounds Francis and Gano. I

1883
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: think even with the small amount of momentum that he

1884
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: built for PFL with the comeback in that page review

1885
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: in the knockout of Fajeda, I still think he's headed

1886
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: toward a big boxing match in the first half of

1887
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 2: this year, and that's his focus. He's been in Saudi

1888
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: Arabia a ton for those big boxing cards of late.

1889
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 2: Could it be uh, I don't know what it would

1890
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: be Deontay Wilder. I mean that would probably be the

1891
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: most obvious one unless he can one day catch Fury

1892
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: coming down into a rematch, but that time certainly isn't now,

1893
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: so Luke, when it is, it pertains to MMA. I

1894
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,879
Speaker 2: do think PFL will get one fight out of Francis.

1895
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 2: They'll put it in a pay per view main event,

1896
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 2: and I think it'll come against vadem Nemcoff and you'll

1897
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: see Francis kind of do the same thing over again.

1898
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: Get these early ish knockout. I think it's enough of

1899
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 2: a name value here, the former belatory light everyweight champion,

1900
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 2: where it's not gonna sell Gangbusters, but the MMA community

1901
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: will go, Okay, We're okay with this, and maybe that's

1902
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: some of the fuel behind Vadeem Nemcoff going, why am

1903
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 2: I gonna do this Cory Anderson trilogy if I can

1904
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 2: just preserve myself for that potential cash in against Ghanu,

1905
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Because don't forget, part of the Nganu contract is that

1906
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: the PFL opponent gets paid millions breakthrough money too, So

1907
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 2: give me in Ghanu Nemkov late summer. I'm not sure

1908
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: how much more in Ghanu fights for PFL or MMA

1909
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 2: in general after that, but maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.

1910
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what the future holds for Francis. I

1911
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 1: think as long as he has boxing fights that he

1912
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: can take, MMA is just going to be a back

1913
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: burner for him. PFL needs him, but at the same time,

1914
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: they don't really know what to do with him or

1915
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: what they can do with him, so it's hard to say,

1916
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: but I think as long as boxing is viable for him,

1917
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: that will occupy his time and it'll be as simple

1918
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: as that.

1919
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: All right, No, see it quickly? Do we get Jones

1920
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: Aspan all of this year?

1921
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah? That was my That was my bold take bold prediction.

1922
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 5: We get the fight finally, maybe November MSG, maybe International

1923
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 5: Fight Week.

1924
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1925
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it'll be soon. I think they're

1926
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: going to pick a destination and really make it a

1927
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: thing and finally go for it, and I support it.

1928
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 5: I hope not.

1929
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: MG give let me.

1930
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Ask you a question to you BC again, this is

1931
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: just a thing that could happen with any fight. But

1932
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 1: let's just imagine. Let's say a book it for International

1933
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Fight Week and then Jones gets injured. They're going to

1934
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: rebook that fight, right.

1935
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: You could see them Russian in poetan right, it's doing

1936
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: doing no Gone Gon is coming off of a win?

1937
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,560
Speaker 2: Could they just running Gone as the opponent. I know

1938
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: it's not a win. I thought that we thought he

1939
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: got against.

1940
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Volk Vocal won that. But yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1941
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: It's going to create an interesting possibility because John's getting older.

1942
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, he never used to get injured like that.

1943
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 1: Now he got injured, you know, So.

1944
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: All right, let's see, let's go to the women's side.

1945
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: Luke strawwaight one one five. You know it used to

1946
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 2: be the deepest division in town. It is really going

1947
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 2: through a transition that hasn't been overly fun or rewarding.

1948
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 2: So Luke Thomas, we are getting Tyler, sorry not Tyler,

1949
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: Tatiana Suarez finally healthy enough, Wailey Jeong, We're going to

1950
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 2: see that in early twenty five. What is your prediction

1951
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: for this year?

1952
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: My prediction is that Tatiana Suarez is going to win

1953
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: the title, but won't be able to defend it. And

1954
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: let me explain what I mean by that. I think

1955
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: against head to head against Song Wilie, she's got enough

1956
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: skills to get the job done. In fact, I think

1957
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 1: at her peak, she is I'll say this to an extent,

1958
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: what women's in MA has been missing a little bit.

1959
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: You get a little bit in a different way from

1960
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Dakota Dscheva, but you know somebody who has that wrestling prowess,

1961
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: hard knows in your face, grinding kind of thing. You've

1962
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: seen glimpses of it more recently, but not even the

1963
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: full thing that she had before she really had to

1964
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: take a long hiatus pre pandemic. I think she still

1965
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: got enough in the tank to win that fight, but

1966
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 1: I feel like between all the injuries she's still suffering,

1967
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: between all the difficulties of just you know, being the

1968
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: best she can be. She won't really be able to

1969
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: hold on to the title, whether she has an injury

1970
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: issue and gets stripped, whether she you know, just doesn't

1971
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: have it for one particular night because her preparation has

1972
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: been affected something. I feel like, you know, at her peak,

1973
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: she's you know, a dynamite fighter. But for someone who's

1974
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: had so many issues, how often can they maintain their peak?

1975
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: It seems like for her, very very difficult, which is

1976
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: why they're like, oh, Lemosh fight and whatever other fight

1977
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 1: they picked for her, and they're like, you know what,

1978
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: fuck it, let's just give her a title shot because

1979
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: it's the UFC kind of realizing it's basically now or never.

1980
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,879
Speaker 1: I think if you're in that position, BC, you're obviously

1981
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: very good, and I hope for the best for her,

1982
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: to be clear, but I think we also have to

1983
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: be realistic that, you know, someone with that kind of

1984
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: condition can't just rain over a division very simply. I

1985
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: suspect it'll be you know, maybe two, but probably a

1986
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: one and done for her.

1987
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to affirm that. I don't want to

1988
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 2: put stock in that. I almost made that something similar

1989
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 2: to that. My pick you know that she doesn't even

1990
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 2: get to the fight. But then it's like, I don't

1991
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 2: want to breathe that out into the you know, ethos solutions.

1992
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: She'll get there, She'll get there, get there, and she

1993
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 2: could win that and that's a great fight, and I'm

1994
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 2: happy for that for the division. But this division needs

1995
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: some players to happen and climb up that ladder soon

1996
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: for the future. I mean, who do we only really

1997
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: have as a viable contender that hasn't fought for yet

1998
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 2: jan Jiu Roba. It's it's there in a tough spot.

1999
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: You know what they need, They need Mackenzie Dern. But Luke,

2000
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: my prediction, my not so bold one, because it's been consistent,

2001
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: is for the fifth straight year, Mackenzie Durn's going to

2002
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: have one win, one loss and be treading water near

2003
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 2: the top, still enough potential to show us that if

2004
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 2: she can ever put it together on the right night,

2005
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: she's tough enough, She's you know, she's tough as nails.

2006
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: She's a fighter, she's got at times a really good

2007
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: right hand, and obviously you know what you can do

2008
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 2: on the ground. But we spend every time she fights,

2009
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm sure we'll do it this quot

2010
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: next week at nauseum, talking about the potential that doesn't

2011
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: quite ever seem to come together. Maybe she beats he

2012
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: boss in the rematch next week, but if she goes

2013
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: and steps up again short of the title, I kind

2014
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 2: of feel like we've seen this movie already.

2015
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't want to say I've lost

2016
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: confidence BC, because again I think that she can find

2017
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 1: a peak for just the right moment, but when you're champion,

2018
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: you have to find consistent peaks. And I think that

2019
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: has proven to be you know, and I hate to

2020
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: say it, because obviously had the cancer thing early in

2021
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: her athletic life, and like you know, she had the

2022
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: torn acl or whatever was the knee injury. I believe,

2023
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: you know, these are the things you would never wish

2024
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: on somebody, of course, of course, but once they have

2025
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: begun to accumulate as much as they have BC, it's

2026
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: not like you can just look the other way. I

2027
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: think that's the problem that I have. And you know,

2028
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: I think she can find her peak on the right night,

2029
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: but not consistently anymore. And you know, I wish your

2030
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: good health and good fighting. I just think we got

2031
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: to kind of inventory the situation for what it is,

2032
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: that's all I mean.

2033
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 2: Maybe if she gets I mean, could they put her

2034
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: in a title shot if she beats he boss again? Look,

2035
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you can't. You gotta Giander Ropa's there,

2036
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 2: you can.

2037
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: I think that they might try and give durn any

2038
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of title shot that they.

2039
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Imagine Suarez derned next for the title they.

2040
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: Could squeeze do they could squeeze that one in. I

2041
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: don't think that's the craziest thing. That's not that I'm

2042
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: wishing for it, but it could happen.

2043
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 2: Let's go to a better division there, women's flyway one

2044
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: two five. You certainly have Dakota ditch ivas R in

2045
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: the PFL, and you've got a lot going on in

2046
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 2: UFC after Valentino Chefchenko, I what thirty seven announcing she's

2047
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 2: going to only fans Luke in the past few days,

2048
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 2: also she won back the title and the sphere and

2049
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 2: is a legend, There's no question about it. And you

2050
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 2: know what, Luke, even with Manon Faro on the scene,

2051
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: even with Blanchefield bouncing back against Rose, even with the

2052
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Tatiana Santos is in a new generation Macy Barber that

2053
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 2: does younger fighters that seem ready. My bold prediction is

2054
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: that Valentina ends the years champion again, Luke. She's gonna

2055
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 2: have some tough fights ahead of her. I can't wait

2056
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 2: to see that Farroh fight. But Chefchenko's still the most

2057
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 2: well rounded, battle tested, very good chin. It's not that

2058
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 2: she can't make mistakes. We saw that in the Alexa

2059
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Grosso loss. But she's still at a very high level

2060
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 2: and might be doing this old Glover to share a

2061
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 2: thing of just focusing on the fundamentals keep people pinned down.

2062
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: I think she can do this again, Luke.

2063
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: So then let me counter that with my bold prediction

2064
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: for this weight class, which is I don't know who's

2065
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: going to be the champion at the end of this year,

2066
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: except to say it will not be Valentina Chevchenko. I think,

2067
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: whether it's been on Fierro, whether it's Natalia Silva, whether

2068
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: it's Aaron Blanchefield, whether it's maybe even Macy Barber, depending

2069
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: on how things go, somebody's going to take that title

2070
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: from her. I do admit that she did something really

2071
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: special in fighting Grosso three times, kind of getting screwed

2072
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: the second one and then leaving no doubt in the

2073
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: third one pretty incredible, But as we mentioned before, I

2074
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: think Grosso really regressed. I cannot believe how much worse

2075
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: she got in terms of a wrestling defense over time.

2076
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think she's gonna get Schevchenko the same

2077
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: kind of luxuries with these other hungry up and coming contenders. Again,

2078
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't know which one will be the one. Maybe

2079
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Fierro seems like your likeliest contender, but Chevchenko will not

2080
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: be the champion when we talk, not not at one

2081
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: twenty five anyway, will not be the champion.

2082
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what if Val takes Farou down and

2083
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 2: kind of MUCKs the fight up.

2084
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Faro's got goodass takedown defense.

2085
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 2: Brother, I know she's a physical speci a great athlete,

2086
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: She's she's strong. But it's gonna be an interesting test

2087
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: for Val, and I'm looking forward to it.

2088
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: There.

2089
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 2: Do you have more confidence in Barber or anyone else,

2090
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Luke in terms of crashing the party? Or you're not

2091
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:11,839
Speaker 2: really interested?

2092
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 5: Oh?

2093
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: I want to see these? Yeah, I mean Minot's binan,

2094
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: fio Ro's takedown defence is ninety three percent. I mean

2095
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: it's fucking good, dude. That ain't Grosso, you know, what

2096
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a much tougher fucking fight and there's

2097
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 1: just you know, and she's beaten. Tabitha Ricci, Maira Bueno Silva,

2098
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: Jennifer Maya, Caitlin Chukegan who has a new name through Marria, Yeah,

2099
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Roseenama Units now Aaron Blanchfield, bro Valentina, chef Chenkoyne beating her.

2100
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I hate to tell her.

2101
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 4: I hate to tell you that she is interesting.

2102
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 2: Take there right now for Roe's great man, we'll see finally, Luke,

2103
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 2: let's go to women's bandam weight. I will not have

2104
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: you make any predictions for women's featherweight because it's not

2105
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: the thing bandam weaight is barely a thing. But the

2106
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 2: thing we're gonna get finally is Juliana Paine. You're the

2107
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,839
Speaker 2: new champion for the second time against Kayla Harrison. Hopefully

2108
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: we'll see that the first half of this year, and

2109
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 2: then you got a man to noon as Lingering. So

2110
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 2: my prediction is similar to what Long Island Luke said

2111
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 2: earlier about middleweight. I think there could be a scenario

2112
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 2: where three different women hold this title in twenty five.

2113
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: Could you imagine Kayla Harrison defeating Payna of course you could.

2114
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Newness coming back and in a big

2115
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: fight defeating Harrison.

2116
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 5: I could.

2117
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: I could also see, you know, if some permutation is

2118
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: a Paynia Newness rematch for the title, if it has

2119
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: to be due to weight cut issues or what have you. Again,

2120
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to put that out in the ethos.

2121
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 2: I want Kayla Harrison to be healthy and be able

2122
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: to make it here. But Luke, I think this title,

2123
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: even with Kayla's arrival, is very much up for grabs,

2124
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 2: and I think if Amanda comes back, it'll inject some

2125
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: much needed storyline and interest. Not a ton of it,

2126
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 2: but man, this divisions hanging out for dear life right now.

2127
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're going to offer I think so.

2128
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 1: My prediction to coincide with this is that Kayla Harrison's

2129
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: going to become champion, and then the UFC has a

2130
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: really tough choice to make because if Harrison becomes champ,

2131
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't really I mean, I guess you could do

2132
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 1: like a you know, you could do another fight with

2133
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: Penya if that's a thing that they want to do.

2134
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling they're going to try and

2135
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: go Amanda new Nez out of retirement and try and

2136
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 1: pay her a bunch of money to come back and fight.

2137
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think that is a really really interesting and

2138
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: cool fight that they could do. But short of that,

2139
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't really know what. So my prediction we see

2140
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 1: is Harrison's going to be the champ this year. I'm

2141
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: not saying she'll finish the year's champion, because I don't

2142
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: really I don't have a strong sense about that. But

2143
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 1: I do feel pretty cleanly that she's going to beat Penia.

2144
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: It's after that where it gets a little bit hard

2145
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 1: to decipher.

2146
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a little dicey, dicey after that along.

2147
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 2: I'll look, you had anything to say about the women's

2148
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: divisions here about the future.

2149
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, my prediction is Holly Holm will headline a UFC

2150
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:46,799
Speaker 5: event in twenty twenty.

2151
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 2: Five at age forty three, well away, because.

2152
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a UFC year if Holly Holm didn't headline,

2153
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 3: like an apex card or something so fair one.

2154
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad prediction. I think that's

2155
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: probably a pretty good one.

2156
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have to agree with that. All right,

2157
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: let's go to storylines. We each have three for the

2158
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 2: new year coming up. Luke, you go first. Number one,

2159
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 2: give me an MMA in general, any division, any conference,

2160
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 2: any promotion, Excuse me, what do you got for me?

2161
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,799
Speaker 1: I think that the pfl A storyline that I'm following

2162
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: is I don't think that operations are going to see

2163
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: some in twenty twenty five. I think after that, though,

2164
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 1: it really becomes a very interesting question, in part because

2165
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 1: one we're going to get a clear answer about where

2166
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 1: UFC is going to be headed by the end of

2167
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: the year. I believe right we'll know at some point,

2168
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: like you know, what the future holds for them. Are

2169
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: they going to stay on ESPN to a degree, are

2170
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: they going to move to Netflix? What's going to happen?

2171
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: And that will, obviously, you know, tell us what ESPN's

2172
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,839
Speaker 1: relationship to PFL will be. But more to the point, centrally,

2173
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 1: I know, Don Davis came out with this really defiant

2174
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: thing about like we're going to have more events than

2175
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: ever and servicing more fighters. But it's like there's a

2176
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of discontent among fighters, particularly with the Bello tours

2177
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: like series fighters.

2178
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 4: But more than that, they just don't know what they're

2179
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 4: product is.

2180
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: They're clearly trying to get more money for it, and

2181
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be basically a

2182
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: make or break year is really the kind of thing

2183
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, they'll finish all of the fights. I don't

2184
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: think it's gonna like, oh, they're not going to make

2185
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: it to the finish line like you know this time

2186
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: next year. I think that they will, but like they

2187
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: don't know what their product is. Is your product? A

2188
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: tournament is your product? Or regional the you know, servicer

2189
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: is your product? Pay per view is your like what

2190
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: what where is your fan base? They can't answer any

2191
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: of these basic questions in any kind of coherent way

2192
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: if they don't solve that this year, and I have

2193
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: a feeling that they're going to make a lot of

2194
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: bad choices that will be their undoing by twenty twenty six,

2195
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: or at least that will set in motion by twenty

2196
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 1: twenty six they're undoing.

2197
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 4: I think this is only about another year.

2198
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Or so where they can kind of maintain what is

2199
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: essentially status quo without that really becoming without without the

2200
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: without the screws coming apart.

2201
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 5: You know.

2202
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 2: I called last year a make or breakfaw. I really

2203
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 2: thought with the return to ESP with Francis Jay command

2204
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 2: of Serano, like all these names that you could throw

2205
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: out and gimmick fights with the belit or roster coming

2206
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 2: in that they were just gonna put the pool all

2207
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 2: their strengths together and absolutely bring it. They didn't. They

2208
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 2: still haven't even bigger I'll make or break, as you said.

2209
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 2: So look, I'll share my third point in my third

2210
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: storyline now because it identifies with this you're talking about.

2211
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 2: Will they still be alive after twenty five? Yeah, this

2212
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: year is gonna dictate that. My storyline is can they

2213
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,799
Speaker 2: get out of their own way enough to change public perception?

2214
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 2: Can they get the media to buy in and almost

2215
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 2: cheer for them based on the changes or decisions that

2216
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 2: they make. Now, look, I hear that they're not going

2217
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 2: to really make changes. They're gonna kick They're going to

2218
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 2: keep the regular season playoff format, and that the focus

2219
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 2: for them is on PFL Champion Series that you know,

2220
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 2: you can take the best from the PFL, the best

2221
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 2: from Belatore, the best from PFL Europe, Mena and all that,

2222
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 2: and that's their goal of bringing them together at the end.

2223
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: That doesn't bowl well for their future. I mean, if

2224
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 2: you told me and Gon's going to fight three times

2225
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 2: on pay per view, could that bowl well for their future? Well,

2226
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: it would help. Well, he may only fight once. You know,

2227
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 2: what are they going to do to keep Dakota ditsch

2228
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 2: Ofva happy, active, challenged, showcased. If they are going to

2229
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 2: just roll out the same things that they've done, the

2230
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 2: same practices, strategies, not put a mouthpiece out there that

2231
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: people trust and want to you know, support, then yeah,

2232
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 2: your demise in your pick for them is going to

2233
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: be true. I want to see right away, you know,

2234
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: can they do Can they start doing things change their

2235
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 2: philosophy that can get fans and media on board rather

2236
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 2: than doom counting down the days until they're gone, because look,

2237
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 2: I want competition. I want them here. I like a

2238
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 2: lot of things that they do have going on. If

2239
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 2: they would pull together the names properly, I mean, I

2240
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:46,600
Speaker 2: love watching Ditschava, Paul Hughes, PATCHI Mix, Aaron Pico, you

2241
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: know the Usman, nor Maga Metof There's names on the

2242
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: aj McKee. There's names on there that don't suck, you

2243
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Let's have them fight each other

2244
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 2: for one championship each eat chowder. But that's not gonna happen.

2245
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know what they're gonna do to win

2246
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 2: us back. Do they have pay per views up their

2247
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 2: sleeve that we don't see coming with featured fights or

2248
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 2: Jake Paul in a hybrid fight. Probably not. So you

2249
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: know what, I don't, I don't. I don't have high

2250
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 2: optimism at all at all.

2251
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 4: They just don't know what to do with their talent.

2252
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 1: You know, they got Dakota Ditscheva, and you know, their

2253
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: their product at its core, that the tournament is good

2254
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: for what they did for her this year, turning her

2255
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: from what she was until into this, and now they

2256
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with her. They have that's

2257
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: why they tried to launch the PFL super fight, you know,

2258
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 1: pay per view thing, but it's like they don't have

2259
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: anyone for her to fight. So, you know, it's just

2260
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,719
Speaker 1: a very difficult product to manage based on the USC's

2261
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 1: control the industry and then also some of the bizarre

2262
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: choices that they make along the way. But I think

2263
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 1: these things are going to I mean, they catch up

2264
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: to you. It takes time, but I think that this

2265
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,759
Speaker 1: will be a year where if no substantive course is altered,

2266
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: and even if there is, I don't really know what

2267
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 1: is available to them, but I don't think they're going

2268
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 1: to alter course and it's gonna it's gonna cost them all.

2269
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to our second storyline, Luke, I'll kick

2270
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,919
Speaker 2: off with this. Obviously, the Connor McGregor story and status

2271
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 2: has changed in some strong degree with the results of

2272
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,879
Speaker 2: that civil trial for rape in which he was found liable.

2273
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Now you've got the storyline changing to somebody in India's

2274
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 2: offering stupid money, originally for Logan Paul boxing match, now

2275
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 2: back to a Jake Paul boxing match. Some people are

2276
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 2: reporting not trustedly here, it doesn't seem on Twitter, but

2277
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 2: that's being targeted for April. So my biggest storyline here

2278
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 2: is not who will Connor McGregor fight in the octagon,

2279
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 2: because I'm I really don't think you'll see him at

2280
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 2: all in a UFC fight. I want to see will

2281
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 2: UFC slash TKO slash Endeavor back Connor McGregor in this

2282
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 2: crossover pursuit against one of the Paul brothers in a

2283
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 2: boxing match for stupid money and maybe align the other

2284
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 2: things that they have going on in boxing and just say,

2285
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 2: like they did for Maymac, there's too much stupid money

2286
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 2: not to get on board, let's just do it, or

2287
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 2: are they going to try to block that? And could

2288
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 2: that unto itself lead Connor did not come back. Could

2289
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 2: they be in legal limbo with him? What is going

2290
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 2: to happen with that boxing match? And normally this wouldn't

2291
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: be a thing I cared about, Luke, But the money

2292
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 2: there is like Saudi money, crazy level, So money changes things.

2293
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 2: And I think whether TKO decides to go all in

2294
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 2: on the charade because it's following the trend of Paul

2295
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,640
Speaker 2: versus Tyson and you just can't miss this and what

2296
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 2: that means for McGregor's future and other fighters trying to

2297
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 2: engano their way into some leverage in their contract. How

2298
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 2: you know what will that all mean? Will UFC back

2299
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: or block them? Luke Thomas, That's my big question here

2300
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 2: on this story.

2301
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: I think that they'll probably back. It just seems like

2302
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 1: a no brainer for them for all the reasons we

2303
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: previously discussed. I don't know if they'll reach the finish line.

2304
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: Who knows about you know what difficulties exist and trying

2305
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: to make a fect like this happen. But I tend

2306
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: to think if if they can make this fight PC,

2307
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: they will that's my view, if they can, if it

2308
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: can be made, they'll do it. Simple as that.

2309
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 2: It's almost them in a weird way, cashing him out

2310
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 2: through a different lane, just being like, all right, we'll

2311
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: just take the money from it and just not care exactly.

2312
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 1: And again, if he wins and looks awesome, they they'll

2313
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: probably just book him in a fight and be like, hey,

2314
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 1: we're great. And if he looks terrible, they can be like,

2315
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, we still just made what fifty seventy five

2316
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: million whatever it ends up being.

2317
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, indeed, all right, look what's your second storyline?

2318
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: So this one may not sound like it's directly MMA related,

2319
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: and for the most part it's not, but there is

2320
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: an MMA tie in, which is this is the year

2321
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 1: to pay attention to what TKO is doing in sport

2322
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. There have already been concerns aired by Craig

2323
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Jones and against guys like Mikey Musamechi for signing exclusive contracts,

2324
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like the UFC really has initiated and

2325
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: intimated some plans about really going all in this year

2326
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: and moving sport grappling forward under a fight Pass invitational,

2327
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: and that you know, who knows whatever other things they

2328
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 1: might cook up, and by itself, that may not seem

2329
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: like there's really any kind of MMA tie in, and

2330
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the biggest MMA tiant, But I

2331
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: would say that there is a tie in in two

2332
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: ways that are important to pay attention to. First, a

2333
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,799
Speaker 1: growing trend that has happened is that as sport grappling

2334
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: has gotten more popular, you're seeing fewer and fewer college

2335
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: wrestlers try MMA. You know, there are guys like Michael

2336
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 1: Pixley and Jason Koff who are these were guys who

2337
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: well what nof was a Division one stand out Pixley

2338
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: I think Division two, but was a national champion. I

2339
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 1: believe it's a very good one at a bare minimum,

2340
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: And they don't seem to have any designs on doing

2341
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,639
Speaker 1: MMA because they can compete in sport grappling and turn

2342
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: out turns out they can make a decent buck. If

2343
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: if the UFC really puts all their weight into sport

2344
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu and starts offering you know what relative to

2345
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: the rest of jiu jitsu are significant prize money payouts.

2346
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 1: I think that this could help cement a longer trend

2347
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: that dilutes the quality of the talent pool that you

2348
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: see in MMA. Something to pay attention to the second

2349
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:50,679
Speaker 1: part of that is BC. As TKO grows as a brand,

2350
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're going to move into boxing maybe

2351
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: this year. They obviously already own pro wrestling, the already

2352
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: own MMA, and now they move into sport jiu jitsu.

2353
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: If you have that many irons in the fire, how

2354
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 1: well can each core product be maintained? And I just

2355
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 1: have a significant question about that, especially because I'm gonna

2356
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 1: guess in order to like bulk up their efforts at

2357
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,799
Speaker 1: Fight Pass Invitational, some of that will fall on UFC itself,

2358
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:20,599
Speaker 1: And so like what does that do as the UFC product?

2359
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, they have a very expanded schedule and now

2360
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: they've got essentially another baby to take care of. Dana's

2361
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: already kind of half checked out because he's so into

2362
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: power slap and whatever the fuck else is going on.

2363
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you laugh, because but I'm being serious, you

2364
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, with this many irons in

2365
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: the fire, especially BC, if he gets into boxing two,

2366
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: which we know has been rumored, what does that leave

2367
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: for his involvement and really the kind of involvement that

2368
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: the UFC needs to continue to put out the best

2369
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 1: product it can.

2370
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 4: I don't know the answers to these questions.

2371
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm simply saying these are storylines that I think are

2372
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 1: really worth following in the coming year.

2373
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 2: Well, as you were peeling the layers of that onion, Luke,

2374
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: you got into my storyline, which really surrounds Dana White.

2375
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 2: I could eve easily said, you know, I'm interested to

2376
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: see exactly what he does in boxing. Will it be

2377
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 2: with Turkey Laschik, Will it be this high end elite

2378
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,560
Speaker 2: we are HBO takeover or will it not be? And

2379
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 2: that's part of it, But it really surrounds what will

2380
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 2: Dana's role be in twenty twenty five in terms of

2381
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 2: UFC in their week to week product. You know, you

2382
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 2: see the reporting from people like MMA draw and talking

2383
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 2: about the conflicts between Dana and TKO management around the sphere.

2384
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 2: We see how publicly the data versus MGM thing happened.

2385
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 2: We've always sort of questioned, would less data be a

2386
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 2: plus for the promotion as the TKO era moves down

2387
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 2: the road in Hunter Campbell by way of us, you know,

2388
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 2: getting the look inside with that documentary they put out,

2389
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,799
Speaker 2: what did that show us the hunter Campbell has already

2390
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 2: sort of ascended a higher level of responsibility of the

2391
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 2: main things that we always, you know, ascribe to data

2392
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 2: in the past. Data still needs to be involved as

2393
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 2: a front facing mouthpiece, as a promoter to get you

2394
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 2: fired up about the big events and all all that.

2395
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: But if he's got a good chunk of what he's

2396
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 2: doing in power slab, now you're gonna add in boxing

2397
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 2: and the fact that, you know, the more we get

2398
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 2: into this TKO era, it seems the less and less

2399
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 2: need that they have for data. I don't know if

2400
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 2: this opens up the door for him to become the

2401
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 2: governor of Nevada whatever on that side of it, Luke,

2402
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,600
Speaker 2: but you have to believe that he's gonna throw his

2403
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 2: time a lot more into his interests, and it just

2404
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like he's motivated to carry certain parts of

2405
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 2: the company's future and success under this current financial format.

2406
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 2: He's kind of just coasting. And I almost feel like

2407
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 2: they're kind of slowly phasing him out too. I mean,

2408
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,480
Speaker 2: would you say you agree with that statement.

2409
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 4: Phasing him out?

2410
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that they actually like him

2411
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 1: in that role. I don't I I've heard that the

2412
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 1: old they're phasing Dana out at UFC for many years,

2413
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 1: and it never seems to happen, And you can like

2414
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 1: that or hate that. I am less confident about that.

2415
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, he won't have a

2416
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 1: hand in pro wrestling, Okay, fine, whatever, if he's gonna

2417
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: have a hand in boxing, and you know, again, I

2418
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 1: don't know what role will have in sport jiu jitsu,

2419
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 1: but I would imagine that there will be some overlap

2420
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: with UFC staff there. And you know what, the fuck

2421
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 1: and he's doing power slap too.

2422
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 4: What does that leave for MMA?

2423
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 1: When he seems already kind of halfway checked out certain times?

2424
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: About MMA? Again, I don't know the answers to these questions,

2425
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: but it just seems like it'd be foolish to not

2426
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: even consider them, no doubt about it.

2427
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 2: Luke, did you did you hit us with your th

2428
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 2: We nailed up MMA, right.

2429
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: I have one more, one more very quickly. I mean

2430
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about already. Here's one thing I

2431
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 1: want to note, so let me ask you a question.

2432
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the NFL games on Netflix

2433
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:41,839
Speaker 1: on Christmas?

2434
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 2: I did not. I have no idea what happened Long Island.

2435
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: Luke, did you watch any of the NFL games on

2436
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:47,879
Speaker 1: Christmas on Netflix?

2437
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 5: I'm an NBA guy, I was watching NBA on Christmas.

2438
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: You're an NBA. Who's your team?

2439
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 5: The Knicks? Baby?

2440
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 4: They just beat the fuck out of the Wizards.

2441
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: I think a couple of times. I saw that the

2442
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 1: Celtics have a better record in DC than the Wizards too,

2443
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. Uh okay, that's not the point, BC,

2444
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: here's the point. I watched them. I watched the games.

2445
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. First of all, there were no

2446
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: streaming problems at all, and it was crisp quality, and

2447
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: it went off basically like like any other NFL game

2448
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. It was a different graphics package or whatever,

2449
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,719
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of familiar voices. The set looked,

2450
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, not too dissimilar from any other set. In

2451
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: other words, it seemed like they could do this no problem.

2452
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: But something kind of interesting happened along the way, which

2453
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: is it was really boring, not just the games themselves,

2454
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 1: but the way in which Netflix presented it. And I

2455
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: cannot remember the author who I read about this, because

2456
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: he read my mind when he wrote I forget where

2457
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 1: I read this. I'll have to try and find it.

2458
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 1: But he made the point that like Netflix is the

2459
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 1: king of just making content that is background noise. A

2460
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: lot of times that's not true right where you can

2461
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: think of like Squid Game was edge of your seat,

2462
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 1: or they'll have like a high action movie which is

2463
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: also edge of your seat. But apparently, like all the

2464
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 1: stuff that they're in charge of making, they realize that

2465
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: Netflix is partly just noise in the background, and they

2466
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: actually cater the writing on some of their movies so

2467
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 1: that actors say words that folks who are halfway paying

2468
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: attention can follow the plot by virtue of what is

2469
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: happening there, and there's a certain kind of Netflix esthetic.

2470
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: I bring this all up to say, BC, we keep

2471
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: talking about UFC and combat sports going to Netflix into

2472
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: being a huge win, and I do think there's many

2473
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 1: many ways, of course, where it could be. I'm not

2474
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 1: telling you it's bad. What I'm saying is I was

2475
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 1: actually very surprised at how boring the broadcasts were and

2476
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,679
Speaker 1: how flat it all kind of looked and felt along

2477
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 1: the way. You can blame some of that on the

2478
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: games themselves, and I think that's totally fair, but I

2479
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: kind of wonder if Netflix, while having a big audience,

2480
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: is best suited to treat the product the way that

2481
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be treated, when what they're really consumed

2482
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: with are metrics like watch time and you know, just

2483
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: kind of keeping you there, not necessarily keeping you fully engaged,

2484
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: and what that might do to the UFC product if

2485
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: they end up signing with them. I know UFC controls

2486
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: their own production, but it still will have Yeah, I

2487
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 1: don't know, something to think about.

2488
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I meant Raw on Netflix

2489
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 2: is starting, you know, three days, which is a big

2490
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,920
Speaker 2: deal that we'll see what Netflix's combat future is for sure. Hey,

2491
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 2: let's close strongly here with our boxing storylines to follow

2492
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Luke my number one. It's an obvious, right, It's it's

2493
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 2: it's really what are we going to say a year

2494
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 2: from now at this time about the Turkey experience? Read

2495
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 2: season more than one year into this, but this is

2496
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 2: the year where it matters, right. I don't know if

2497
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 2: you saw the launch of that ring magazine Gallon that

2498
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 2: they did, there's gonna be a big awards show in

2499
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, you know, looking back on the

2500
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 2: on the year that was that it's going to be

2501
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 2: a red carpet Oscars type event. Whether that means much

2502
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 2: to people or not. Turkey is trying to organize and

2503
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 2: class up this sport. We're seeing deep pay per view

2504
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 2: cards for less money. We're seeing dream matchups being made possible.

2505
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 2: So I just really want to know one year from now,

2506
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 2: are we going to be like you know what, I

2507
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 2: had my doubts. I didn't love the sports washing, I

2508
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 2: didn't love this or that, but I loved how I

2509
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 2: was entertained. I'm very interested to find out no one

2510
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 2: has attempted this at this scale what Turkey's doing. Yes,

2511
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reason to doubt. There's a lot

2512
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 2: of reason to be cynical to boxing. Well let's give

2513
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 2: it a shot, Luke right, you're either in or you know,

2514
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 2: you're either with him if you're against him, it seems

2515
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 2: let's give it a shot. What do you expect we'll

2516
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 2: be saying twelve months from that?

2517
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 1: I think so for my first one in boxing, it

2518
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: kind of dovetails with this, which is again I'm asking

2519
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 1: a question, what is going to be the reaction if

2520
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: big fights in the UK and the US continue to

2521
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: not or you know, fight so that would otherwise have

2522
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,879
Speaker 1: gone in the UK, in the in the US, continue

2523
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 1: to not go in the UK, in the US, and

2524
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 1: they go in Saudi Arabia or you know, wherever Turkey

2525
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 1: decides to put them. It's like, on the one hand,

2526
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, no one is upset the fact that BIVL

2527
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: and Better be fought, Like, holy shit, were great USIK

2528
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: fury twice, Like this was a great year in that sense.

2529
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 1: But like what you know, Virgil Ortiz versus Boots, if

2530
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: a fight like that were made, that fight should happen

2531
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: in the United States, and I don't think that it

2532
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 1: would now again, Boots might just you know, I appear

2533
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 1: to have declined it out right anyway, But you see

2534
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: my point, Like they're taking fights that we've discussed this before,

2535
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: that belong here. And I've never lived in a world

2536
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: where the US was that irrelevant in boxing as it

2537
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: appears to be becoming, where it's not on CBS, it's

2538
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: not on NBC, it's not on ABC, it's not on Fox,

2539
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,160
Speaker 1: it's not it's still on ESPN. But that remains to

2540
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: be seen. The Netflix thing, I don't know if they're

2541
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 1: really going to get into it or not, but it's

2542
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 1: like you're not even on a major American broadcast or anymore.

2543
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: You're on the zone, which I'm than a guess in

2544
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 1: the United States has less than a million subscribers.

2545
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 4: Do this seems bad?

2546
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, I don't know how I

2547
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 1: feel about this.

2548
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 2: There's a price to be paid for the awareness of

2549
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 2: the sport moving forward if all those big pay per

2550
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 2: views go to RIOD and you're not seeing the old school,

2551
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, boots on the ground way of promoting in

2552
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 2: the traditional American sense through the channels, in the in

2553
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 2: the platforms we're talking about. Yeah, I've got concerns for

2554
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 2: that too. There's no question I want, I really hope.

2555
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 2: And Turkey seems to be saying that he's going to

2556
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 2: do ring magazine series cards in the US that are

2557
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 2: going to be funded by him privately, not from the

2558
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 2: Saudi Fund.

2559
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

2560
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a sort of counter to the fears that

2561
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 2: we have of all those.

2562
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: Big which again, you know, how much involvement do you

2563
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:43,080
Speaker 1: want from Turkey as a debate, but I think that

2564
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 1: would certainly be better for the UK and the US.

2565
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good, good questions to be asked my Number

2566
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,480
Speaker 2: two is an extension of this, Luke, and it's what's

2567
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 2: PBC's fighting future this year. It seems like Top Rank

2568
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 2: is already halfwayed all the way in on Riad, meaning

2569
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 2: they're big fighters are already fighting on there. Bob Aaron

2570
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 2: is going to Saudi all the time and rubbing elbows. Obviously,

2571
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 2: we have to see what happens to the TV deal

2572
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 2: for Top Rank, which is on ESPN through the summer.

2573
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,080
Speaker 2: Rumors they could go to his own rumors, there could

2574
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 2: be a lot of directions. But what about PBC, which

2575
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 2: still has its series with Amazon and the pay per

2576
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 2: views largely that they put out has a great pay

2577
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 2: per view. I loaded one coming up February first with

2578
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 2: Benavitez and morel at the top of it. Got a

2579
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 2: pretty damn good one with Tank Davis if it goes

2580
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,879
Speaker 2: off coming up after that. Nothing else on the schedule,

2581
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 2: but Luke, if Turkey's gonna have the control that we

2582
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 2: think he will this year, unless you got a couple

2583
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 2: big name promoters teaming up, I don't know if PBC

2584
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 2: can survive on its own. Now. I'm already you know,

2585
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 2: you're already seeing David Benavitez telling the media that if

2586
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 2: he wins against Morrell, he wants the winner of beav

2587
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 2: all better Beev and he's already talking to both Turkey

2588
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 2: and al Hayman and everything's fine. We've seen some PBC

2589
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 2: fighters make the jump. Can they survive on their own

2590
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 2: outside of riad season or are they going to join

2591
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 2: the family too? That's what I want to focus on,

2592
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 2: because even though PBC is not what it once was,

2593
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 2: you're still talking about some of the biggest names in

2594
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 2: the game, and clearly some of the most marketable, from

2595
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 2: Tank to Canelo to Benavidez. So a lot to look

2596
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 2: for closely for PBC, which has had a tough adjustment

2597
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 2: year coming off the end of showtime. But you can't

2598
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 2: really doubt Al Hayman until it all falls apart. He's

2599
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna find a way in theory Luke in theory right,

2600
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 2: al Haman always finds a way. I want to see

2601
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 2: in the next few months what that way is.

2602
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 1: This was my number two as well, what the hell

2603
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: is going to happen with PBC? And again, maybe they

2604
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 1: form some kind of alliance with Top Rank who's left

2605
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:41,560
Speaker 1: on ESPN, and the two sides work together, and I

2606
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 1: think that could be great. I don't know how likely

2607
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 1: that is. I don't know how likely any of this

2608
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 1: shit is. And as you indicate, there are already some

2609
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: things on the calendar that look pretty good, but they're

2610
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 1: in a tough position al I'm not gonna say he

2611
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 1: has been a sleep at the will because my understanding

2612
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,760
Speaker 1: is he has been dealing with either his own illness

2613
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: or some kind of family illness, or a combination of both.

2614
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Can't be easy. I don't wish it upon anybody, but

2615
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 1: it has affected their business big time. What happens with

2616
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:09,880
Speaker 1: them is a huge, huge story.

2617
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, my number three boxing storyline that I'm

2618
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:16,480
Speaker 2: focusing on, Love more hate them Luke. Ryan Garcia moves

2619
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:20,000
Speaker 2: the needle in away that very few boxers, especially in

2620
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:23,400
Speaker 2: North America, can do, and not even when they're fighting right,

2621
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 2: can just make his life a reality series that we

2622
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,839
Speaker 2: all inevitably subscribe to through social media, whether we're cringing,

2623
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 2: whether we're cheering. Whatever. The good news though, Ryan Garcia

2624
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 2: is back in April, and I say good news because

2625
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:37,880
Speaker 2: his recent history is to go out of his way

2626
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:42,040
Speaker 2: to make the biggest fights possible. Tank Davis, Devin Haney,

2627
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 2: He's only talking about doing exactly that. When he does

2628
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 2: come back, I don't know. I hope that he's going

2629
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 2: to still go through with that kickboxing crossover boxing fight

2630
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 2: with Ampo in Japan. You know, BC got the call

2631
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 2: in that one, Luke until it fell apart. But even

2632
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 2: if he doesn't, imagine if he fights Devin Haney in

2633
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 2: a real match, or and Tao Femo this year, or

2634
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 2: any iteration of the big names available out there, Ryan

2635
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 2: Garcia is going to be a part of our week

2636
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 2: to week talk when he's back inactive. I hope obviously

2637
02:01:12,240 --> 02:01:14,360
Speaker 2: that personally he's going to be healthy. He's done a

2638
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 2: lot of deplorable things through this mental health journey. You

2639
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 2: still wish a young fighter who's still got a lot

2640
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:21,920
Speaker 2: of big fights in front of him well though, to

2641
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 2: come out and do those. Whether he's playing the heel

2642
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 2: or whether you're a fan of him when he fights,

2643
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 2: when he's talking about fights, it matters. I give him

2644
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 2: the credit for being a big spark in this generation,

2645
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 2: wanting big fights and wanting them now. So Luke, it

2646
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 2: comes with a price. But I'm in on the Ryan

2647
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:40,879
Speaker 2: Garcia experience.

2648
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:41,480
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm not.

2649
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less if we ever see him again

2650
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 1: until he gets help. I think he's an awful human being,

2651
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:47,480
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't care to ever see him.

2652
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 4: Again absent getting help.

2653
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 1: Absent getting help. Sure, sure, sure, which I think he needs,

2654
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I hope he does get because he could,

2655
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:57,880
Speaker 1: I think, do a lot for him, and then it'd

2656
02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 1: be great to have him back. You know, let's be

2657
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 1: clear about that. As it stands. You know, he's irredeemably awful.

2658
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 1: Mine's a little bit different BC, which is the future

2659
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: of Canelo Alvarez. Now there's been a person like BC,

2660
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 1: which I don't think is crazy, that has been kind

2661
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 1: of saying, well, listen, he took some mandatories and Gia

2662
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,520
Speaker 1: fight was a decent one. You know, this is a

2663
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 1: guy who has been you know, has he been taken

2664
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,160
Speaker 1: to David Benavidez fights that he should have been taken

2665
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. But no, but it's okay because he's doing

2666
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:29,280
Speaker 1: some of this other stuff right now and he'll come

2667
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 1: back around to that. Well, this is the year where

2668
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 1: he has to come back around to that BC, right

2669
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 1: because a he's going to get so old that after

2670
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 1: this year won't really matter anymore. And more to the point,

2671
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:43,040
Speaker 1: like you know, he has been facing consistent ducking accusations.

2672
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,920
Speaker 1: I think if he fought Benavitez this year, especially after

2673
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:49,240
Speaker 1: the Morel fight, assuming Benavitez wins, that that could do

2674
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, this would immediately shut up people who are

2675
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: concerned that he is ducking. On the other hand, BC,

2676
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: let me ask you, if he goes another year fighting

2677
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Eubank or some mandatories or whatever, and

2678
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 1: doesn't actually fight anybody that we are asking him to

2679
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 1: that he should be fighting in terms of the fights

2680
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 1: that make the most sense against the toughest challenges, what

2681
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 1: reaction will you have.

2682
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll change the way we talk about him. It'll

2683
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 2: change the way we think about him, no question. The

2684
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:23,160
Speaker 2: pressure is on him, Luke. That's why I think he's

2685
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:25,360
Speaker 2: got to take the Crawford fight in May. That that

2686
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 2: is being rumored out there, that Turkey's publicly saying, Look,

2687
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:30,800
Speaker 2: I want to make it. Somebody get me Canelo's number.

2688
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 2: I hope that that's in. That might not even be

2689
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:34,839
Speaker 2: a Turkey fight. That might you know, if if Crawford

2690
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 2: crosses the line it comes back to PB, that could

2691
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 2: be a huge PBC opportunity. Whoever's paying for whoever's involved.

2692
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 2: We want to see it. What if Canelo fights Crawford

2693
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 2: and then looks to fight the winner of the winners

2694
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 2: of Benavetez Morrel versus the winner of bev All Better

2695
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 2: b F two, then he's right back in where we

2696
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:56,680
Speaker 2: where we wanting we need him to be. He used

2697
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:59,000
Speaker 2: his own leverage. He used it. I mean, it comes

2698
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 2: with the territory when you you're close to being the

2699
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 2: pofer pound king and you're the number one draw on

2700
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:04,840
Speaker 2: the sport. But yes, I agree with you. It's a

2701
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 2: good storyline. The pressure's on him to remind us what

2702
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,160
Speaker 2: he's all about. He has aged well, even though obviously

2703
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 2: he's slowing down in his mid thirties, he has aged

2704
02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 2: very well. He's in tremendous shape. What are you gonna do, Canelo.

2705
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:20,440
Speaker 2: It's up to you, bro. We're gonna cheer for you

2706
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:21,960
Speaker 2: if you do the right thing. Luke, I mean, Luke.

2707
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 2: All in all, I've really enjoyed the Canelo experience. I

2708
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:27,440
Speaker 2: really don't like this season where we're like, yeah, it's

2709
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 2: a duck, call it, call it.

2710
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 1: What it is.

2711
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucks.

2712
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't even want to have to talk about it.

2713
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 1: But it's like, what the fuck is he doing? And

2714
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 1: where are we headed with all of this? And so

2715
02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:37,200
Speaker 1: let's see what the year brings. We have some time,

2716
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 1: He's got some time. But if we're here in a

2717
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:41,120
Speaker 1: year and he hasn't thought any of these guys that

2718
02:04:41,160 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 1: we're asking him to fight, then we're just like, you

2719
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,520
Speaker 1: know what, I think? I think at that point, the

2720
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 1: accusation sticks, and I do.

2721
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:49,200
Speaker 2: Hope Tank figures everything out from whether he wants to

2722
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 2: keep fighting or not, whether he's in line business with

2723
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 2: the people he always was, or what he's doing, Like,

2724
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:55,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing, but I hope he

2725
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 2: figures it out. I want to see just the same

2726
02:04:57,280 --> 02:04:59,920
Speaker 2: as Canelo. Are Canelo and Tank gonna end up partner

2727
02:05:00,160 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 2: with Turkey? We'll see, but a lot to think about

2728
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 2: the new year to come. Next week, though, fights are

2729
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:07,680
Speaker 2: back in that January eleventh Fight Night card from the

2730
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,400
Speaker 2: UFC with Dern and Heboss. Good to see. We've got

2731
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 2: Jaio Pataiah back next week on his own as well,

2732
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 2: so luc It's I'm happy to see fight Sison is

2733
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:18,160
Speaker 2: starting to heat back up. UFC three eleven to come

2734
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 2: morele Benavenas Benavenas February first, I'm ready, let's go.

2735
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 4: Let's go.

2736
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 1: Just a couple weeks away from from the real meat

2737
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 1: of the calendar starting to kick off, so let's do it.

2738
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:31,320
Speaker 2: There it is, Along Island. Look, thank you for your

2739
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 2: service today, sir. Okay, we wish you well. Are you

2740
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:36,000
Speaker 2: gonna do a live loong rip on the min card

2741
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:37,360
Speaker 2: minute at all this weekend for phone?

2742
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 3: No, not this weekend because oh no, the fights aren't

2743
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 3: next weekend, So yeah, I will. Also, I put out

2744
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 3: a betting recap for twenty twenty four if anyone wants

2745
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:45,920
Speaker 3: to go check it out.

2746
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 5: Mad Minute.

2747
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, at ish Out. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. Anything else to say to the people.

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Speaker 1: I have to shit so bad?

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, with that, we've been happy to be

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Speaker 2: in your face O for the last couple hours. Thank

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Speaker 2: you guys. You are I'm looking at you. You're the

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Speaker 2: dunk of the year. Thank you so much. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: bring it this year. Okay, still bringing it. We're still

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Speaker 2: bringing it all right for Big Justice and AJ and

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Speaker 2: cousin Angelo. I'm BC. That's LT and Long Island. Look,

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Speaker 2: we're out of here. Take care of yourself. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much yes,