Speaker 1: Hello, it's Richard McLain Smith here, not the impostor you've
Speaker 1: been listening to on the podcasts the real one. Join
Speaker 1: me for Unexplained TV at YouTube dot com Forward Slash
Speaker 1: Unexplained pod. When we think of ghosts, we often think
Speaker 1: in terms of human drama. We conceive of haunted places
Speaker 1: as theaters, sites of post mortem performances that are no
Speaker 1: less recognizable for the fact that the players are dead,
Speaker 1: And as with all performances, it's the drama we tend
Speaker 1: to pay attention to, not the stage itself. Guilt and grief,
Speaker 1: anger and injustice, longing and loss. These are the things
Speaker 1: that drive the spirits in our store. But not everyone
Speaker 1: as conceived of hauntings in this way. Some think that
Speaker 1: staging matters a great deal. Indeed, scientists and spiritualists alike
Speaker 1: have theorized that elements of our physical world may not
Speaker 1: be merely the sight of haunting, but both catalyst and cause.
Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty seven, Charles Babbage, celebrated polymath and forefather
Speaker 1: of the modern computer, pend a startling idea. The material world,
Speaker 1: Babbage suggested as a vast library on whose pages are
Speaker 1: forever written, or that man has ever said or woman whispered.
Speaker 1: For Babbage, this was no metaphor. He was making a
Speaker 1: very literal point that the movement of the air set
Speaker 1: in motion by a human voice does not cease with
Speaker 1: the words that prompted it, nor even with the death
Speaker 1: of the speaker. Like endless ripples in an infinite pond,
Speaker 1: are passing presence lingers in the world. He didn't extend
Speaker 1: this theory to account for ghosts, but others made that leap.
Speaker 1: In a nineteen thirty nine lecture to the Society for
Speaker 1: Psychical Research, the then Society president A. J. H. Price
Speaker 1: offered the concept of place memory. He insisted that objects
Speaker 1: can capture and carry traces of past events, and that
Speaker 1: when a suitably sensitive person is in close proximity to
Speaker 1: such an object, they will have what he termed a
Speaker 1: retrospective experience. According to Price, ghosts are not active, supernatural
Speaker 1: visitors from beyond the veil, but more like photographic negatives.
Speaker 1: They are effectively developed in the moment by those with
Speaker 1: the right sensitivities to what Price called the psychic ether.
Speaker 1: Twenty years later, archaeologist Thomas Charles Lethbridge would further refine
Speaker 1: the idea in his book ghost and ghoul provoked by
Speaker 1: his own uncanny experience. On a warm summer morning in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, Thomas Lethbridge was outside his home in Devon,
Speaker 1: waving across a stream to his neighbour when he apparently
Speaker 1: saw a tall woman dressed in antiquated clothing standing not
Speaker 1: a yard behind her. So curious did the old fashioned
Speaker 1: woman look that Later in the day he asked his
Speaker 1: neighbour who her visitor was. So you're seeing my ghosts
Speaker 1: as well, now, she replied. When Lethbridge and his wife
Speaker 1: investigated the immediate area of the sighting, both claimed to
Speaker 1: feel a deep tingling sensation and a sense of pressure
Speaker 1: akin to an electromagnetic lace. The whole production, he wrote,
Speaker 1: was comparable to a television broadcast, the figures like pictures
Speaker 1: transmitted by somebody or something else and merely received by him.
Speaker 1: Lethbridge echoed Price's argument that ghosts are not spiritual entities
Speaker 1: with agency and intent, but merely images replayed by an
Speaker 1: unspecified energy source running through the natural world. He thought
Speaker 1: the nearby stream might be important, as running water as
Speaker 1: commonly featured in the law and logic of the supernatural.
Speaker 1: This evolving hypothesis has since settled on a specific name,
Speaker 1: a name that points to one material above all others
Speaker 1: as the foundation for what we think of as ghosts.
Speaker 1: It is known as stone tape theory. Stone, particularly quartz
Speaker 1: and limestone, is thought by some to be uniquely case
Speaker 1: of storing and projecting past events, especially when those events
Speaker 1: are ripe with emotion, say at the point of death
Speaker 1: or agony or great loss. Under these conditions, proponents of
Speaker 1: the stone tape theory argue that something of that emotion
Speaker 1: remains trapped in the bedrock and buildings, like energy in
Speaker 1: a battery, waiting only for the presence of someone sensitive
Speaker 1: to trigger a transmission. And what then, of a place
Speaker 1: not just built from stone, but carved from it, a
Speaker 1: place we have cut into the world with force and
Speaker 1: trauma and mass tragedy. Is it any wonder that there
Speaker 1: we might also have inscribed something of ourselves that still remains.
Speaker 1: You're listening to unexplained, and I'm Richard mc lean smith.
Speaker 1: The Hoosac Tunnel is a stretch of single track working
Speaker 1: railway cut through the quartzoth rock and limestone of the
Speaker 1: Berkshire Hills and western Massachusetts. Completed in eighteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: It was the first major mountain tunnel of its kind
Speaker 1: in North America, undertaken to provide a rail connection between
Speaker 1: New York and Boston. For thirty years, it was the
Speaker 1: longest tunnel on the continent. The tunnel's eastern end opens
Speaker 1: up on the outskirts of Florida, Massachusetts. The western opening
Speaker 1: is nearly five miles away in the small city of
Speaker 1: North Adams. Between these two portals there is only darkness
Speaker 1: and stone, the exposed innards of the mountain, illuminated for
Speaker 1: only a brief few seconds by the lights of the
Speaker 1: rushing freight train. From each entrance. The way ahead slopes
Speaker 1: slightly upward to a meeting point in the middle. This
Speaker 1: allows water to drain out, but for those on foot,
Speaker 1: the rise is enough to obscure any site of the
Speaker 1: exit ahead. It makes the Husack that rare thing, a
Speaker 1: tunnel without a light at its end. Its construction is
Speaker 1: a testament to the nation's industrial might, prove that nothing,
Speaker 1: not even the land itself, can withstand American ambition. Though
Speaker 1: if you read the history, it's clear that the land
Speaker 1: put up a hell of a fight, and if you
Speaker 1: believe the stories, that fight still echoes on the housack
Speaker 1: was played by problems from its inception. Ground was first
Speaker 1: broken in eighteen fifty two. Whenever spoke boring machine was
Speaker 1: set to work on the mountain, it failed after only
Speaker 1: ten feet and there it remained for years, its drill
Speaker 1: bit trapped in the rock like the finger of a
Speaker 1: greedy child. It was then that those in charge realized
Speaker 1: the true scale of the challenge they faced. Engineers were
Speaker 1: sent to Europe to research cutting edge drilling techniques, while
Speaker 1: financiers waited in Massachusetts with mounting in patients. No more
Speaker 1: work would take place for the next two years. In fact,
Speaker 1: it would take a quarter century of hand digging, pneumatic drilling,
Speaker 1: and blasting before the tunnel was complete, leaving a vast
Speaker 1: artery in the earth twenty feet high and twenty four
Speaker 1: feet wide. Workers dug inward from the east and west
Speaker 1: simultaneously with the aim of meeting in the middle, and impressively,
Speaker 1: they did so with less than an inch of error,
Speaker 1: and that is without considering the need for a central
Speaker 1: ventilation shaft, a thousand foot vertical chimney running all the
Speaker 1: way to the top of the mountain, which itself took
Speaker 1: four years to dig over two million tons of earth
Speaker 1: and rock were cleared from the hills, the two million
Speaker 1: dollar budget ballooning to ten times that amount in today's money.
Speaker 1: The cost of that first big dig equates to almost
Speaker 1: half a billion dollars, but there were other costs too,
Speaker 1: losses that could never be recouped. The Hoosac Tunnel was
Speaker 1: a deadly project. Construction accidents were hardly rare in the
Speaker 1: mid eighteen hundreds, but even by the periods lacks health
Speaker 1: and safety standards, workers on the Hoosack experienced notable misfortune.
Speaker 1: The recorded number of deaths on the project totaled one
Speaker 1: hundred ninety five, enough for workers to begin calling the
Speaker 1: Hohosuck the Bloody Pit. Workers were exposed a daily peril
Speaker 1: from falls and falling rock to fires and flooding. Above
Speaker 1: it all loomed the dread of nitro glycerine. For over
Speaker 1: ten years, Whosok miners relied on gunpowder to blast away
Speaker 1: at the mountain, a crude and inefficient approach that was
Speaker 1: stared down by the rock, often only removing a few
Speaker 1: feet for each explosion. Nitro Glycerine was used for the
Speaker 1: first time on the Hoosack dig in eighteen sixty five,
Speaker 1: the first time it was ever put to use in
Speaker 1: a major American construction project. The explosive compound more than
Speaker 1: doubled the rate of progress, but it came with terrifying downsides.
Speaker 1: Extremely volatile and sensitive to heat and shock, it seemed
Speaker 1: almost to have a malicious mercurial mind of its own.
Speaker 1: On March twentieth, eighteen sixty five, three explosive experts were
Speaker 1: planting nitroglycerine deep inside the tunnel. Two of the men,
Speaker 1: ned Brinkman and Billy Nash, were making their way to
Speaker 1: the safety bunker to shelter from the blast when the third,
Speaker 1: Ringo Kelly, lit the charge. Only he did it early.
Speaker 1: Brinkman and Nash were buried instantly beneath tons of rock.
Speaker 1: Kelly vanished almost immediately, and rumors soon began to circulate
Speaker 1: that its actions had been intentional murderous. Even as the
Speaker 1: story goes, it was just over a year later, on
Speaker 1: the morning of March thirtieth, eighteen sixty six, when, with
Speaker 1: the area now cleared, Ringo Kelly's relatively fresh body was
Speaker 1: found two miles inside the tunnel, at almost the precise
Speaker 1: spot where he'd brought the rock down on his colleagues.
Speaker 1: A deputy sheriff, Charles Gibson, is said to have quickly
Speaker 1: declared that Kelly had been murdered by strangulation. Examination of
Speaker 1: the body suggested he'd been killed the night before. No
Speaker 1: culbrit was ever found or pursued, but rumors soon began
Speaker 1: to emerge. But for whatever reason, Kelly had returned to
Speaker 1: the scene of the crime, only for the unforgiving ghosts
Speaker 1: of Brinkman and Nash to murder him. They were the
Speaker 1: first supposed ghosts thought to haunt the houssack, their shades
Speaker 1: forever trapped in the rock that had crushed them. Over
Speaker 1: the next few years, dozens more people were killed by
Speaker 1: errant detonations in the houssac. On October ninth, eighteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: three miners truged a half mile from the Eastern Tunnel
Speaker 1: entrance to the nitro glycerine stock to prepare the substance
Speaker 1: for that day's work. Something went wrong, and the ensuing
Speaker 1: explosion left only one of the three with a body
Speaker 1: to be buried. The other two, Felix and Oswald and
Speaker 1: Montaigue brothers, were entirely vaporized. At least seven more major
Speaker 1: explosions were recorded over the remainder of the dig, including
Speaker 1: the deaths of four men in April eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: when incredibly a bolt of lightning struck the track outside
Speaker 1: the tunnel and coursed nearly three thousand feet down the
Speaker 1: metal rail before detonating the nitro at the other end,
Speaker 1: a terrible accident that would forever define a more moderate
Speaker 1: project for the husuc, though it was just one more
Speaker 1: in a long sequence of tragedies. There is one especially
Speaker 1: black day in the tunnel's history, however, that does stand out.
Speaker 1: It was one o'clock on the afternoon of nineteenth of
Speaker 1: October eighteen sixty seven, when a fire broke out in
Speaker 1: the building on top of the central shaft. A lantern
Speaker 1: was left too close to the tank containing flammable nafta gas.
Speaker 1: When this tank was opened for checks, the vapor ignited
Speaker 1: and rapidly enveloped the entire structure in flames. At the time,
Speaker 1: thirteen men were at the bottom of the shaft. By
Speaker 1: that point, the dig had reached just under six hundred feet,
Speaker 1: about half of its eventual depth, but far enough doubt
Speaker 1: that those inside must have felt as though they'd been
Speaker 1: swallowed whole by the A rough structure of steps and
Speaker 1: wooden platforms ringed the inside of that stone throat, leaving
Speaker 1: only enough space for the bucket to pass with its
Speaker 1: load of excavated stone. It was a cramped and frightening
Speaker 1: place to work. The bucket had just ascended and been
Speaker 1: emptied when the fire engulfed the machinery. A foreman tried
Speaker 1: to lure it back down to help retrieve the tunneling men,
Speaker 1: but the flames kept him at bay. He could only
Speaker 1: watch helplessly as the ropes and cables melted and the
Speaker 1: bucket dropped into darkness. Even worse, the platforms at the
Speaker 1: top of the shaft were laden with tools and machine parts.
Speaker 1: When they collapsed, hundreds of drill bits, chisels, and assorted
Speaker 1: sharp metal spilled into the hole like deadly rain. After
Speaker 1: that came the platforms themselves, which crumpled in a mixture
Speaker 1: of timber and ash and sealed the mouth of the
Speaker 1: shaft completely. People rushed to the site, including over a
Speaker 1: hundred fire fighters, who eventually extinguished the burning plug. Once cleared,
Speaker 1: they peered breathlessly into the opening that seemed to yawn
Speaker 1: back at them like a screaming mouth, but not a
Speaker 1: sound was heard. Eventually, a workman named Mallory volunteered to
Speaker 1: be lowered into the shaft on a single rope. He
Speaker 1: descended around four in the morning, swapping the gloom of
Speaker 1: an October night for the deeper darkness below. A journalist
Speaker 1: for the North Adams Transcript described Malory's descent as an
Speaker 1: exhibition of genuine heroism, with no stirring battle music, no
Speaker 1: rushing thousands to share and reduce the terror. His peril
Speaker 1: was grim and dreadful, and he went alone amid silence
Speaker 1: and shuddering suspense. Hundreds of onlookers huddled in anticipation for
Speaker 1: the thirty or forty minutes that Malory was in the shaft. Eventually,
Speaker 1: he was drawn back up, ashen faced and on the
Speaker 1: verge of passing out from air, noxious enough to extinguish
Speaker 1: his lamp. Before lapsing into unconsciousness, he could only gasp
Speaker 1: out the words no hope. Malory described how he'd reached
Speaker 1: the bottom to find that the shaft was flooded to
Speaker 1: a good dozen feet. This was to be expected, as
Speaker 1: the machinery that pumped water out of the shaft had
Speaker 1: been destroyed by the fire. However, the series of ladders
Speaker 1: and platforms that the miners used to climb out sat
Speaker 1: seventy feet above the bottom. A hoist was needed to
Speaker 1: bridge that gap, but it had been rendered useless by
Speaker 1: the fire, and so it was decided. Even if the
Speaker 1: men survived the hail of falling debris, they never had
Speaker 1: a chance of escaping the flood. They likely died in
Speaker 1: the darkness and panic as the cold water inched slowly
Speaker 1: up their bodies. It was soon after that that strange
Speaker 1: things began to happen. It started with the bodies of
Speaker 1: lost work crew beginning to surface in the shaft, as
Speaker 1: if the hoosack was reluctantly releasing its grip. Over the
Speaker 1: course of that long, heart worn winter, whales were said
Speaker 1: to be heard coming from the shaft, cries of anguish
Speaker 1: and pain, only partially muffled by the earth. More bizarre
Speaker 1: were the apparent sightings of hazy figures carrying pickaxes and shovels.
Speaker 1: They didn't respond when addressed, and they would vanish in
Speaker 1: a moment, leaving no footprints in the freshly fallen snow.
Speaker 1: But they walked the sight like they knew it, like
Speaker 1: they fitted in there. It was almost a full year
Speaker 1: before the shaft was pumped dry and the final bodies retrieved.
Speaker 1: Their discovery painted a new patterner of horror on events,
Speaker 1: as it was found that some of the men had
Speaker 1: apparently survived the initial disaster and even built a crude
Speaker 1: raft from the fallen timber. Whether they had then died
Speaker 1: slowly from a lack of oxygen or through the even
Speaker 1: more prolonged agony of starvation, none could say, nor could
Speaker 1: anyone suggest how Malory had missed them during his rescue attempt,
Speaker 1: or that anyone knew as that they had lingered in
Speaker 1: the pitch. Those ghostly cries said to have been heard
Speaker 1: emanating up from it, perhaps not quite so ghostly after all.
Speaker 1: That final burial of the men from the pit seemed
Speaker 1: to put to rest the supposed sightings of eerie figures
Speaker 1: on the hillside around the shaft, but it didn't dampen
Speaker 1: the strange activity deeper inside the hoosack. With so much
Speaker 1: trauma stacking up, disquiet had arisen among the workforce. Men
Speaker 1: began to complain about hearing the voice of a man
Speaker 1: crying out in agony from somewhere within the tunnel. They
Speaker 1: became so nervous that entire teams refused to enter after sunset,
Speaker 1: and some walked off the job for good. One of
Speaker 1: the dig managers, and mister Dunn, insisted that the noises
Speaker 1: and no more than wind rushing through the cavity, But
Speaker 1: faced with the labour revolt, he reached out to his friend,
Speaker 1: a mechanical engineer named Paul Travers, to see if he
Speaker 1: could help. As well as being respected within the industry,
Speaker 1: Travers was also a decorated cavalry officer who'd served in
Speaker 1: the Civil War. Everything about him spoke of common sense
Speaker 1: and strong nerves, and on the night of September seventh,
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty eight, he and Dunn toward the tunnel to
Speaker 1: try and help dispel the worker's superstitions. In a letter
Speaker 1: composed the following morning, Travers wrote how he and Done
Speaker 1: bought a good two miles into the tunnel, notably to
Speaker 1: the area below the central shaft and near the place
Speaker 1: where Ringo Kelly's body was found. There in the cold silence,
Speaker 1: they did indeed hear what sounded like a man groaning
Speaker 1: in pain right by their position, But when they turned
Speaker 1: on their lamps, they saw that they were entirely alone,
Speaker 1: I'll admit, Travis wrote, I haven't been that frightened since Shiloh.
Speaker 1: Travers and Dunn heard only what they took to be voices,
Speaker 1: evidence perhaps of Charles Babbage's theory that human utterances can
Speaker 1: linger in the air long after we are gone. But
Speaker 1: in June eighteen seventy two, another trip into the tunnel
Speaker 1: climaxed in a more viscerule encounter. A doctor named Clifford
Speaker 1: Owens accepted the invitation to explore the houssack alongside drilling
Speaker 1: Superintendent James mc kinstry. As they later described it, the
Speaker 1: two men entered the tunnel at precisely eleven thirty p m. And,
Speaker 1: just like Travers and Dunn four years before, they walked
Speaker 1: two miles into the darkness. Owens later described their procession
Speaker 1: lit only by the dim smoky light of their lamp
Speaker 1: as the outside air and moonlight dwindled behind them. Nearing
Speaker 1: the middle of the tunnel, they paused to rest. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: they both began to hear a mournful sound and allulating
Speaker 1: cry approaching them from down the tunnel. Before they could
Speaker 1: so much as query the source, they apparently saw a
Speaker 1: dimly lit figure walking towards them from the western end.
Speaker 1: At first glance, Owens took the figure for a workman,
Speaker 1: perhaps lost or injured, struggling toward the rescue of their lamps.
Speaker 1: As it drew closer, however, he noticed two alarming details. First,
Speaker 1: the figure took on a strange blue hue, dimly illuminated
Speaker 1: against the surrounding blackness, and though it had the familiar
Speaker 1: shape of a man, there was no head above the neck.
Speaker 1: Terrified into paralysis, Owens and McKinstry could only watch as
Speaker 1: the blue shape apparently drew closer, so close that Owens
Speaker 1: could have reached out and touched it. There it stopped
Speaker 1: mere feet away, where it remained motionless for several seconds,
Speaker 1: and though it had no head with which to do so,
Speaker 1: both men agreed that they felt it was observing them. Abruptly,
Speaker 1: the figure moved off, walking past the stunned men and
Speaker 1: dwindling into the dimness. They beat a hasty retreat, all
Speaker 1: the while aware that they were now pursuing the entity,
Speaker 1: though it didn't appear again. Owens and mckinstrey's is the
Speaker 1: most famous apparent encounter in the Houssack, but it is
Speaker 1: far from the last. The first train passed through the
Speaker 1: housack in February of eighteen seventy five, carrying one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five curious passengers. Nothing went awry. The huge
Speaker 1: undertaking had been a success. New England was now readily
Speaker 1: accessible by rail, but the end of construction didn't bring
Speaker 1: an end to the tunnel's dark infamy. Several workers from
Speaker 1: the Boston and Main Railroad reported unnerving experiences while making
Speaker 1: the route. In the autumn of eighteen seventy five, a
Speaker 1: fire tender named Harlan Mulvany was transporting a wagon loaded
Speaker 1: with timber into the tunnel. He'd only gone a short
Speaker 1: way into the shadow when something spooked both him and
Speaker 1: his horses. Onlookers watched as the panicked man roughly whipped
Speaker 1: his horses into a tight turn and careened out of
Speaker 1: the tunnel. Several days later, workmen found both the horses
Speaker 1: and Mulvaney's tims wagon in the Adams Woods, more than
Speaker 1: three miles from the Housack of Mulvaaney. However, there was
Speaker 1: no sign and the man was never seen again. His
Speaker 1: was not the only disappearance. A century later, a man
Speaker 1: named Bernard her starboard walked into the North Adams end
Speaker 1: of the tunnel with its fox terrier on a leash.
Speaker 1: His plan was to walk the full length of the Hoosack.
Speaker 1: When asked why, he simply said that he was in
Speaker 1: the mood for an adventure. Whether he got one or not,
Speaker 1: we will never know. Her starboard never emerged at the
Speaker 1: eastern end. Police and rail workers searched the tunnel, but
Speaker 1: no trace of the man or his dog was ever found.
Speaker 1: The stone tape theory posits that ghosts are not spirits, agency,
Speaker 1: or impact. Rather, they are supposedly just visual replays of
Speaker 1: moments of high emotion. The men apparently seen wandering the
Speaker 1: ground around the mouth of the central shaft, the lonely
Speaker 1: voices heard within the tunnel. Both of these would be
Speaker 1: accommodated within the stone tape theory. Joseph in Poco's story
Speaker 1: puts a different complexion on the Housack. In Poco, an
Speaker 1: Italian immigrant to the area, began working aged eighteen for
Speaker 1: the Boston and Main Railroad in nineteen twenty two. He'd
Speaker 1: heard tales of the Houssock's reputation, but laughed them off.
Speaker 1: Maybe he retained his good humor for two years until
Speaker 1: February of nineteen twenty four. When he was busy working
Speaker 1: one morning chopping thick ice from the track, he found
Speaker 1: himself separated from his workmates by five hundred feet, which,
Speaker 1: in the blind dark of the Husac, may as well
Speaker 1: have been miles. Joseph was working by lantern light in
Speaker 1: the middle of the tracks when, as he later recounted,
Speaker 1: suddenly the tunnel filled with smoke. It was then he
Speaker 1: heard a yell, Joe, it said, jump Joe. The young
Speaker 1: man looked up to see the bulk of the number
Speaker 1: sixty Express train less than seventy feet away. He threw
Speaker 1: himself sideways and lived to chip ice another day. Looking around,
Speaker 1: he saw no one. The voice seemed to come from
Speaker 1: thin air, and it had saved his life. Six weeks later,
Speaker 1: Joseph was back at work in the tunnel, using a
Speaker 1: heavy bar to free train cars that had frozen to
Speaker 1: the track. Once again, he was alone when he apparently
Speaker 1: heard that familiar voice yell, drop it Joe. When he
Speaker 1: did just that, moments later, the iron bar was flung
Speaker 1: against the tunnel war by the current from a falling
Speaker 1: power line. Weeks later, when he narrowly avoided being crushed
Speaker 1: by a falling oak tree just outside the tunnel entrance.
Speaker 1: Joseph and his workmates claimed to have heard wild peals
Speaker 1: of laughter, seemingly without source. It was enough to convince
Speaker 1: Joseph in Poco to seek employment elsewhere. He resigned and
Speaker 1: moved to Springfield, Massachusetts, but each year he made a
Speaker 1: pilgrimage back to the Hoosac to pay tribute and give
Speaker 1: thanks to what he called his friend in the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for listening to the show Unexplained.
Speaker 1: We'll take a short break now for the holidays. We'll
Speaker 1: be back in the new year on Friday, January tenth
Speaker 1: with the next new episode. Until then, this episode was
Speaker 1: written by Neil McRobert and produced by me Richard McLain Smith.
Speaker 1: Neil is the creator and host of his own brilliant
Speaker 1: podcast called Talking Scared, in which he discusses the craft
Speaker 1: of horror, writing with everyone from Ta Nanaeve Do to
Speaker 1: the God of horror himself, Stephen King. I can't recommend
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