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Speaker 1: Johnsh Belk Tony Pauline from sports Keita, I am fresh

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Speaker 1: off about a day and a half. Arrived on Monday

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Speaker 1: morning around two am. Back from Munich with the New

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Fun trip. It's good to be back with you, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Talking about draft prospects last week. If you didn't check

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Speaker 1: it out, we did Tony's risers and sliders on offense.

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Speaker 1: Today we're gonna look at the defensive side of the ball. Tony.

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped to talk some college prospects with you.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm okay. More importantly, how are you? We want to

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Speaker 2: hear your breakdown about Germany. You promise talk about pretzels.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to hear about the beer there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what interesting thing about German pretzels. While

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Speaker 1: they are excellent, they're not like the warm soft ones.

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Speaker 1: They're usually not served hot and they're not crispy, but

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Speaker 1: they're not soft either, So it's like a good cross

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Speaker 1: between there were excellent. Had my fair share of beer

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Speaker 1: over the course of the week, obviously when I had

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Speaker 1: some free time and I wasn't on a Giants hours.

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Speaker 1: But I got to give German fans credit, Mantoni. They

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Speaker 1: were into it. Giant jerseys everywhere, but jerseys of all

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Speaker 1: sorts of NFL teams all over the place. I was

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Speaker 1: walking around downtown on Saturday and just jerseys everywhere and

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Speaker 1: fans super excited. You know, the last few teams in

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Speaker 1: NFL Europe were all in Germany, and I really think

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Speaker 1: they have an affinity for the game, so I think

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Speaker 1: even more so than London, where I think it's more

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Speaker 1: of a spectacle. I really do think there's like a

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Speaker 1: legitimate NFL fan base in Germany. If the league wants

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Speaker 1: to make this a regular stop every year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, don't say that too, lad, because Roger Goodell

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Speaker 2: keeps talking about moving the Super Bowl overseas. That'll just

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Speaker 2: give him more Bruce, let me ask you some were

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Speaker 2: there a lot of American fans that flew over to

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Speaker 2: Germany for these in the game or were the majority

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Speaker 2: of the people wearing giant jerseys German citizens.

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Speaker 1: I met a lot of people that flew over, but

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Speaker 1: there were a ton of Germans wearing NFL jerseys, you know,

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Speaker 1: a ball team, So I think there is a legitimate local,

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Speaker 1: you know, affinity for American football. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: we talked to somebody about this last week when we

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Speaker 1: were out there, one of the NFL folks. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Super Bowl is going to be in

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Speaker 1: Europe anytime soon, to be honest with you. But Goodell

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Speaker 1: did talk about the next few years maybe trying to

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Speaker 1: have sixteen games, one for each team in Europe every year,

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Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say in Europe internationally, whether that's Europe,

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Speaker 1: if you work or cover an NFL team you get,

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Speaker 1: you better get your passport ready because everyone's going to

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Speaker 1: be traveling pretty soon for these for these games.

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Speaker 2: One last thing on the beverages. You said the pretzels

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Speaker 2: were not warm. Was the beer room temperature or cold? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It was cold? It was cold, Okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: Oftentimes they sa I've been there that it's room temperature,

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Speaker 2: which real. Yeah, you know, cold pretzels and warm beer

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Speaker 1: No, not a good mix. Now, the beer, in my

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Speaker 1: great hosts and can't wait to go back. It was

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, all right, Tony. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the weekend in college football first, and we'll start

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Speaker 1: with a big SEC matchup with these two teams that

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Speaker 1: ole Miss certainly helped their cause a twenty eight to

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Speaker 1: ole Miss at eight and two, Georgia at seven and two.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Jackson Dart his numbers certainly not what

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Speaker 1: what was a four hundred yards passing and five touchdown passes?

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Speaker 1: Whatever it was, but he did enough to get the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you missed some good games this weekend while you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you I was all psyched. I'm like

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Speaker 1: Alabama LSU. Wait it starts at two am. I guess

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Speaker 2: You didn't miss You didn't miss much with that. That

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Speaker 2: this was a must win for Mississippi. And what happened

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Speaker 2: They sent them up field on the blitz. He had

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Speaker 2: Mississippi kind of settled themselves. And you talk about Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 2: you can you know, you don't know. Jackson Dart was

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Speaker 2: basically playing on one leg because he hurt his ankle.

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Speaker 2: down for a field goal. And Jackson Dart wasn't great,

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Speaker 2: But what he did was he kept his team in

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Speaker 2: You didn't have great numbers, but he really played a

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Speaker 2: good game as opposed to Carson.

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Speaker 1: Back and the real quick before we go to back

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Speaker 1: Dard had that twenty eight yard run before or after

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Speaker 2: After the ankle injury. After the ankle injury. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: kind of broke the broke the gates open for Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Whereas Carson Beck he could not he could not convert,

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Speaker 2: he could not move the field. You know, we talk

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Speaker 2: about Kim mood, how Kim Wore always seems to have

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Speaker 2: an answer. Carson Beck doesn't have an answer. Had an

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Speaker 2: But you know, again it's hit and missed with Carson Beck.

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Speaker 2: He makes some incredible passes and then he gets very streaky.

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Speaker 2: He can't move the offense. He does a great job

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Speaker 2: you know, twenty one points. We can't play like that

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Speaker 2: every week, and he really didn't have an answer. Very

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Speaker 2: uninspired play by Carson Beck, who I believe continues to

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Speaker 2: of the question that Carson Beck, wh will of people

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Speaker 1: Why did Trevor Atien only have six carries?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's and it's kind of funny you mentioned that,

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Speaker 2: because early in the game Georgia went away from the

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Speaker 2: they were they were decent at it. But I think

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Speaker 2: what happened was the Mississippi defensive line was just playing

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Speaker 2: lights out. They got you would you would have thought,

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Speaker 2: you know, if Georgia has all that great talent in

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Speaker 2: Mississippi who turned tearing the tables because uh, human human lady,

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good, Tony good job had.

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Speaker 2: Five tackles, two tackles for the lost two sacks, uh,

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Speaker 2: and he just they just couldn't stop them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Georgia offensive line had their head on a swivel

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Speaker 2: because they were being they were being overrun by Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: So I think it was it was the fact that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Just a really nice job.

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Speaker 1: Who else from this game jumped out at your tone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared Ivy, the big defensive end six to five

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Speaker 2: had some really nice plays. He's the guy. He's got

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Speaker 2: first round measurables. He plays like a top one hundred

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Speaker 2: pick on occasion. But he's he's been a little bit streaky.

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Speaker 2: He's starting to turn it on now at the right time.

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Speaker 2: So both him and Princeley played incredibly well. I mean

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Speaker 2: the Georgia defensive line. Georgia defensive line really was neutralized

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Speaker 2: by Mississippi. Who I thought besides Jackson Dart did a

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to Miami. Georgia Tech obviously

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Speaker 1: a bad loss for Miami, the first loss of the

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Speaker 1: year twenty eight, twenty three. I still think they'll be

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Speaker 1: in the playoff picture after this lost, Tony, but now

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Speaker 1: you're one more loss. You never know what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at. And I did not see the game, as

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Speaker 1: with Giants events, it was impossible. But I did see

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Speaker 1: that final play from cam Ward on the last drive

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Speaker 1: trying to come down to win the game, or he

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Speaker 1: held it and held it and kind of danced around

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Speaker 1: I since we got like every shade of cam Ward

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, first of all, from a team perspective,

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Speaker 2: you look at Ward's numbers, twenty five or thirty nine,

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Speaker 2: three hundred and forty eight yards, three TVs, no interceptions,

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Speaker 2: know he shows that great patience, he shows that great intuition,

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Speaker 2: but there's just too much improvisation on his behalf, which

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Speaker 2: I mean, he holds the ball too long, and I

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Speaker 2: think he just thinks he's going to make plays, which

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Speaker 2: he usually has, but oftentimes it happened a couple times

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Speaker 2: ball too long, he's getting sacked. That last sack led

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Speaker 2: to a fumble which ended the game Georgia Tech wins.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be able to do that on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So while definitely heading the right direction the way Carson

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Speaker 2: way some of the other top guys are playing. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Wood's obviously going to be in the conversation for the

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Speaker 2: first quarterback selected. But still that propensity to hold the

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Speaker 2: ball too long, I think is something that is going

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Speaker 2: to be talked about as we lead up to the draft,

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Speaker 2: something that the scouts and the coaches are going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Cam what about during those combine interviews.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that again, you can't do that in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, right you got to get the ball out

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Speaker 1: in two and a half to two point seven seconds,

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Speaker 1: and the other top quarterback I know he's on your list,

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Speaker 1: but I think your comment is telling. George Sanders is

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Speaker 1: another guy that I know. He doesn't have great protection

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy one rushing yards in this game

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Speaker 1: That was the game. Obviously, Indiana's had an unbelievable season

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Speaker 2: They were down early in that game. That Michigan defense

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Speaker 2: was relentless. Two sacks, four tackles for loss. They're very

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Tony, there's still a lot of pro talent that's

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Speaker 2: Oh? They were. I mean they were relentless. I mean

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Speaker 2: They had some good Josiah Stewart off the edge. I

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Speaker 2: But then again, you look at how many of those

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Speaker 1: Absolutely you meant you don't have it on your run

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Speaker 2: Now, you gotta remember it was raining in that game,

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Speaker 2: And you know, basically Alabama defense finally woke up Milroe.

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Speaker 2: He's just an explosive athlete. Did miss a couple of

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Speaker 2: We've talked about Will Campbell a couple of times. I

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Speaker 2: I was very impressed with Emery Jones. He is what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look at mill numbers this year. He just had

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe it doesn't come out, Maybe he goes

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Speaker 2: Who knows one thing is you can see that Jayleen

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Speaker 2: it's something I'm glad you brought that up when you

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Speaker 2: these days. But he's going to be an early pick,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it may be good for him to

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Speaker 2: bit too lucrative for him to stay at state at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure i'll know more in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: You think right now he's going to be a first

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Speaker 2: I think, hands down he's gonna be a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know, we've seen lesser quarterbacks go

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Speaker 2: the running ability, were equally as the same level as

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Speaker 2: far as their development as a passer. Jaylen Milroy is

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a first round pick. I think

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a top half of Round one.

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Speaker 1: to your risers and sliders on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. Let's start up front with the big fellas.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with Walter Noan, a guy that you talked

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Speaker 1: He's having a nice little year for Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not just a big body in the middle of

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Speaker 2: Thirty two tackles, seven and a half tackles for US

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Speaker 2: four sacks, very athletic when you watch and penetrates the

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, easily changes direction, can pursue plays out

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Speaker 2: the fumble recovery. So you know, he was a guy

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Speaker 2: who a lot of people thought had first round talent

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Speaker 1: Smaller school. How about Michael Green at a marshalltos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the guy that no one talks about.

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Speaker 2: I'm told he's definitely entering the draft. Thirty three tackles,

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Speaker 2: if you're a team needs an edgreusher and you were

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Speaker 2: not familiar with Michael Green, start watching Marshall football. I

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Speaker 1: I told you this is the name I'm not familiar with,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to talk about him. Ty Robbinson out

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Speaker 2: Very athletic run. You know, he's expected to run a

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Speaker 2: low four fives. Ended the season as a late round pick.

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Speaker 1: Time out of time out low four fives you mean

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Speaker 1: three eleven. You might be the first pick of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Holy faking entered.

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Speaker 2: The season, Thank you entered the season's late round. Pick

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Speaker 2: nine tackles for the US five sacks always making place.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch Nebraska, they line them up all

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Speaker 2: just somebody who does everything very well and consistently makes

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Speaker 2: You're looking at early day three, possibly late day two.

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Speaker 1: All right, then you have two other guys up front

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are your your natural those tackles zero technique guys.

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Speaker 2: five Orange is a guy who's had a really really

433
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Speaker 2: good season. Really came out of nowhere where Jordan Phillips

434
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Speaker 2: showed a lot of ability last year. Pretty sure Phillips

435
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Speaker 2: is going to enter the draft. I heard their Orange

436
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Speaker 2: could enter the draft. You're probably looking at maybe third round,

437
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Speaker 2: but more likely early day three. Your natural you know,

438
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Speaker 2: zero tech knows tackle type of defensive linemen.

439
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Speaker 1: All right, and now, how about a couple of guys

440
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Speaker 1: that maybe have not met expectations. One guy that we've

441
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Speaker 1: talked about maybe is a potential Day two pick last

442
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Speaker 1: year in Ashton July.

443
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Speaker 2: I mean last year fourteen and a half tackles for

444
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Speaker 2: lost eleven sacks. This year five and a half tackles

445
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Speaker 2: for lost two and a half sacks, worst numbers since

446
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: his freshman season. He's a guy when you watch Louisville,

447
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Speaker 2: you know he's nowhere to be found where last year

448
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: he was unstoppable. And you know he's gone from a

449
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Speaker 2: potential Day two pick probably second half of Day three

450
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Speaker 2: because he's just not shown up this year.

451
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Speaker 1: And then we've talked about how good South Carolina's defensive

452
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Speaker 1: line has been this year. Tony in their front has

453
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Speaker 1: been dominant. But there's one player that some injuries, he

454
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Speaker 1: hasn't played as much that maybe not so much.

455
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Speaker 2: DeAndre Jewles the transfer from pitt he was supposed to

456
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: be a rotational guy. They got tonk Hemwa Hemyway in there, TJ. Samons,

457
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: both good players. Jewles was supposed to be a rotational

458
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: He had some injury issues last year at Pittsburgh, entered

459
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Speaker 2: the draft with Day two grades. He's played I believe

460
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: five games this year, has not played since October, so

461
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Speaker 2: obviously his draft stock is gonna drop.

462
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, we got a couple of guys on the edge, Tony,

463
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Speaker 1: that you think have really stepped up their game, and

464
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Speaker 1: I want to see you try to pronounce two of

465
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Speaker 1: these names. I'm looking forward to that the most. I

466
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Speaker 1: think Tony Jayn.

467
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Speaker 2: Walker, Yeah, I mean Walker. All you got to do

468
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: is watch Georgia and he's all over the place. And

469
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Speaker 2: this was somebody that over the summer I watched him

470
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Speaker 2: and he was a rotational linebacker for Georgia in twenty

471
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Speaker 2: twenty three. And he's just elevated his game. He's going

472
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Speaker 2: to be a first round pick. People are going to

473
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Speaker 2: brand him as an edge rusher as I did here.

474
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Speaker 2: Probably I shouldn't have, but he can do everything. He

475
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Speaker 2: can drop off the line of scrimmage, he can play

476
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Speaker 2: in pass coverage, he can run down opponents, in pursuit

477
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Speaker 2: and a guy that you know, Like I said, he

478
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: started off that Mississippi game with a great inside rush

479
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: caused the interception. But he's a lot more than that,

480
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Speaker 2: and I would expect Walker probably then if he does,

481
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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a bottom half a

482
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Speaker 2: round one guy.

483
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Speaker 1: All right, and then uh okay, I'm gonna try the

484
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Speaker 1: first one. Olua femi ola Dejo.

485
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Speaker 2: There you go. I think that's right on. That's right on.

486
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: Another smaller sort of edge rusher that can standover tackle,

487
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: come out of a three point stance, six three two

488
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: and fifty five pounds easily moves around the field. Against

489
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Speaker 2: the Penn State he had ten tackles, two tackles for

490
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: loss and sack. Had four tackles for loss and two

491
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: sacks last week, should say last Friday night against Iowa.

492
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Speaker 2: That UCLA team with the Shawn Foster as the head

493
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: coach is starting to get into gear. Ol the Dejeju

494
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 2: has been a real good player all along. More than

495
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Speaker 2: just a pass rusher, a guy who can play off

496
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. He's showing ability in space potential.

497
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Speaker 2: Day two pick entered the season as like a six

498
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Speaker 2: or seventh round prospect, So he's improved the stock by

499
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Speaker 2: at least four rounds.

500
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Speaker 1: And how about Boston College Donovan Iseiroku.

501
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: Donovan not the guy who sang Sunshine Superman, but a

502
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: guy who looks like a superman on the football field.

503
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the most underrated pass

504
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: rushers in the nation. Fourteen tackles for US eleven sacks,

505
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: three forced fumbles. He was a good player last year.

506
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Speaker 2: He's not just a one year wonder. If you watched

507
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: Boston Collins last year, he was all over the place

508
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: making plays. But again, six two and a half, two

509
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: and forty five pounds, probably gonna run the forty in

510
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: the four to seven, So he doesn't have those great measurables.

511
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Speaker 2: So what you're doing is you're projecting him as a

512
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Speaker 2: situational pass rusher at the next level, at least early on,

513
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Speaker 2: which is why I think he's a day through pick,

514
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Speaker 2: a Day three pick, but just a terrific football player,

515
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Speaker 2: all right.

516
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Speaker 1: And then you have Josiah Stewart Adam Michigan, Tony. This

517
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: is a guy that I think coming into this year

518
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Speaker 1: we had high hopes. Four.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the next three guys on the list

520
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: are basically real good pass rushers, but they just don't

521
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: have great size and speed, so they all kind of

522
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: fit together in the late rounds. Josiah Stewart sixty one

523
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: pounds runs in the four sevens, eleven eleven tackles for

524
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: the lost six and a half sacks this year. I

525
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: mentioned him earlier in the Indiana game. Constantly getting pressure,

526
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: constantly making plays up the field. But these are guys

527
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: who are gonna have to learn to make plays off

528
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: off the line in space. Antoine Powell Ryland of Virginia Tech,

529
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: same sort of situation, entered the season with the priority

530
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: free agent crage fourteen and a half tackles for loss

531
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: this year thirteen sacks, last year fourteen and a half tackles,

532
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: nine sacks. If you watch the Virginia Tech program, they

533
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: have a history of these smaller one gap defensive ends,

534
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: these smaller edge rushers. Antoon Powell Ryland fits that mold.

535
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a late round pick. And then kylein Cannard,

536
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: I mean kylein Canard in some areas of the scouting community,

537
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: was graded as a reject. You know, a guy who

538
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: had no chance thirteen and a half tackles for lost

539
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: nine and a half sacks if you watch him. He

540
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: handled Wilkes Amble of LSU pretty well early this season.

541
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: And a guy who you know, if he runs in

542
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: the four nines at the combine or for day workouts,

543
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: which some people think he's gonna be a four to

544
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: nine guy, he's not gonna get drafted. If he runs

545
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Speaker 2: in the low four rates, high four to sevens, you're

546
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: looking at a late round pick, which people say, wow,

547
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: late round picks. But he was off the charts coming

548
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Speaker 2: in the season. He's had a great year.

549
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Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's go some of your sliders at

550
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Speaker 1: the edge position, Tony. These are some of the guys

551
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Speaker 1: on our first couple of shows we were talking about

552
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: potential top ten picks. Here.

553
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: Some people thought James Pearce at Tennessee was going to

554
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: be the first pick of the draft. I mean seven

555
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: and a half tackles for lost five and a half sacks.

556
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: The thing that concerns me about Pierce is when you

557
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: look at when you look at him, he's just a tall,

558
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: thin guy. He looks like a small guy, so you

559
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: know you're gonna have to really protect him at the

560
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: next level. Still think he's a first round pick, but

561
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: this was someone who was projected as the potential first

562
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 2: pick of the draft. When you have the duo at

563
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: Ohio State, j T two and Maloa and Jack Sawyer

564
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: were playing in dribs and drabs, I mean, sometimes they

565
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: show up, sometimes they disappear. Very streaky for two guys

566
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be very talented. I think the

567
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: defensive tackles of Ohio State have played well, but these

568
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: guys have not lived up to expectations and their draft

569
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: stock as a result has taken a hit. And then

570
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: Patrick Payton of Florida State. I mean it's been a

571
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: disastrous season for Florida State. Really from the get go.

572
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Payton, there were people such as myself who thought

573
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: if you had a big year, he could move into

574
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: the late part of Round one. Four sacks this year.

575
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: At times, he looks like he'd rather be out fishing

576
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: or playing video games or something rather than being on

577
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: the football field. That's going to be something that's just

578
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: discussed with him in the offseason. But Patrick Payton is

579
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: a guy who even if he didn't think he was

580
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: a first round pick, he's a Day two pick. He's

581
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: now fallen into the later rounds.

582
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the linebacker position, Tony, a

583
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: position that I think the NFL is dying for some

584
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: real talent of that off ball interior linebacker spot. Who

585
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: are two guys that have really kind of stepped up

586
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: this year, which.

587
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Is kind of funny because it's been so ignored and

588
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: dismissed and marginalized in recent years. I mean, Nick Martin

589
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma State was on fire early in the season

590
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: until he injured his game, injured his knee five games

591
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: in forty seven tackles in five games, seven and a

592
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: half tackles for lost. A guy who made plays up

593
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: the field, a guy who may plays in pursuit. He

594
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: was all over the place. She couldn't stop and he

595
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: was absolutely explosive. Will have to see what happens with

596
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: that right knee injury. I know they haven't ruled him

597
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: out for the rest of the season. Although Oklahoma State

598
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: is not having a good campaign, but a guy who

599
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, really came out of nowhere. Not much was

600
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: expected from him, and he showed himself to be a

601
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: real good three down linebacker, not just up the field,

602
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: but also in space. And then Sonny styles of Ohio State.

603
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: The former safety six forty pounds runs in the four

604
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: six is fifty seven tackles this year, really learning to

605
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: play more up in the box in a confined area

606
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: as opposed to roaming the field. That safety has shown

607
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: a lot of improvement in his game and he's got

608
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: outstanding measurables.

609
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the defensive back position, Tony,

610
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: a position where I think NFL teams always looking for corners?

611
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Are you are four guys here that you've liked the

612
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: work that they've put in this year.

613
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: And then primarily safeties as opposed to corners. So you go.

614
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: You start off with Xavier Scott of Illinois. I mean

615
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: Illinois in recent years has become almost you know DBU

616
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: if you will. They put so many good defensive backs

617
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: into the league. Xavier Scott three interceptions, seven pass breakups

618
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: this year. A year ago he had thirteen pass breakups.

619
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Speaker 2: When I watched the summer of the film over the summer,

620
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: I was like, who is this guy constantly making plays

621
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: on the ball. It's getting to the point where opposing

622
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: quarterbacks don't even throw in his direction. Now, the thing

623
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: with Scott is it's probably not going to measure much

624
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: more than five foot ten. He's not going to hit that.

625
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: You know that that six foot even mark that a

626
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: lot of teams want. Does that downgrade his draft stock

627
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: a little bit? I'll tell you what he is. An

628
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: outstanding cover corner, can play bump and run, can play

629
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: his zone, can play back off the want of scrimmage.

630
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Nick and min Wari somebody have mentioned before same. These

631
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: two guys kind of fit in the same old Nick

632
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: Eminawari of South Carolina, Malik Verdon of Iowa winebacker size safeties.

633
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: I mean, these are guys. These are guys who go

634
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: six to two hundred and fifteen, two hundred and twenty pounds.

635
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna worry of South Carolina sixty tackles, six uh

636
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: pass breakups, four interceptions, two TVs. Uh At Verden of

637
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: of Iowa States got fifty eight tackles, five pass breakups.

638
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: They're not natural free safeties. They're more I don't want

639
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: to say traditional strong safeties, but I think they're guys

640
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: that you can use in sort of a zone system.

641
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: If you're gonna play, if you're gonna use your safeties

642
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: to cover a third the field, they can do that.

643
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Playing downhill. They've got excellent cover skills. I mean, you

644
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: just look at the numbers, you watch the film. They

645
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: can cover. They're not a liability and coverage. The question

646
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: is will teams see them as safeties or potential one

647
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: gap linebackers. But they're real good football players. Isaiah and

648
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: the KOBEI of SMU kind of gets lost in the shuffle.

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: He's more of your natural safety. Sixty four tackles this

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00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: year shows a lot of ball skills. All those guys

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Speaker 2: that I just mentioned as junior, starting with Scott, I

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00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: think there's a good chance that all of them entered

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Speaker 2: the draft. Maybe Noah Kobe I go from SMU goes

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Speaker 2: back to school, but these are all guys who I

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: think are top one, one hundred and twenty five talents,

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Speaker 2: with Xavier Scott being someone who could potentially fit into

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Speaker 2: the late part of round one.

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Speaker 1: And I guess I should not surprise us, Tony that

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Speaker 1: the one guy on your slider list for defensive backs

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Speaker 1: as Ohio State corner Denzel Brook. We've talked about the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks that has has the issues covering some

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: of the better receivers in college football, and you know this.

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Speaker 2: Seems to be a true addition with Ohio State. You know,

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Speaker 2: you get a highly rated cornerback who's going to enter

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00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: his final year in college and then he disappoints. We've

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: seen Eli Apple, You've seen all these guys who you

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00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: know don't play well there last year in college, and

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00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: Denzel Burke has just gotten beaten time and time again.

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Speaker 2: You watch the Denzel Burk in twenty twenty three, and

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: he was a much better cornerback a year ago than

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: he was this year, making plays to the ability to

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00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: make plays with his back to the ball, not getting burnt.

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Speaker 2: It's not been a good year for Denzel Burke, who

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, including myself, thought had first round potential.

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Speaker 2: But I think right now you're looking at best the

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Speaker 2: third round prospect.

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Speaker 1: Those are riders in sliders, risers and sliders. On defense, Tony,

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Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Tony, what is your overall take

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball of this draft class.

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00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Where are the strengths, worthy the weaknesses, and what do

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Speaker 1: you think of the group in general?

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Speaker 2: I like the defensive line. I like the defensive tackle class.

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00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: I think there was some solid, solid edge rushers. The

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00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: linebacker class is gonna be disappointing. But that's because I

685
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: think the position has been marginalized to a large extent.

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00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, they take these undersized guys and rather them

687
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: using them as linebackers, they use them up the field

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00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: as pass rushers. I think the cornerback class is questionable.

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00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: I liked it coming into the season, but I think

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00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: there's also there have been some you know, uninspired play,

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00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: like I mentioned with denzil Burke. Your top two guys

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00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: are injured right now, so we're gonna have to wait

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00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: and see what happens with the cornerback position, which is questionable.

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Speaker 1: All right, can't wait to see it. So next week

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Speaker 1: I already have its scheduled. We're gonna have Dan Brugler

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00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: join us. That'll let We're gonna record our usual time

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Speaker 1: on tuesday'll probably on Wednesday. His Top fifty is updated.

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00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Top fifty list came out, Tony. I think you're gonna

699
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: like his third overall player. It's a guy you love

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Speaker 1: and you talked about a lot. Take a guess who

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00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: do you think it is?

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00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Jenley Milbroe, No.

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00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: Carter?

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: All right, good, well, I have to caluse my number

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00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: one guy. So that's good to hear.

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Speaker 1: I know people people beating you to the bandwagon, Tony

707
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: or jumping on the bandwagon with you. You go with

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Speaker 1: him there, so we like, Yeah, Day's one of our

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00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: favorite people. So he'll be with us next week at

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Speaker 1: eleven and then I think we're gonna take Thanksgiving week

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Speaker 1: off like we did for the last short week we

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Speaker 1: had here, and then Tony that will be with you

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00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: every week from then on until the NFL Draft, So

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Speaker 1: make sure you hang with us. We'll start get into

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Speaker 1: college football conference championship games, well the college football playoff,

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: which Tony would be great. You'll give us like four

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00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: weeks of content with all those great playoff games. That'll

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00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: be wonderful. Will of all that or three weeks? How

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00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: long is the college football player? Three weeks? Four weeks?

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Speaker 1: I think it's four, four, right, I think it is four.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have all that for you as we continue

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Speaker 1: to cover college football and the NFL Draft for you.

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Speaker 1: Right here. You can find Draft Season, of course on

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Speaker 1: the Giants app. You can find it at giants dot

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Speaker 1: com slash podcast. Remember this is a draft podcast, is

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00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: not a Giants podcast, So just search for Draft Season

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Speaker 1: on your favorite podcast platform and it will arrive Tony

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: anything fan should be keeping an eye on at sports

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Speaker 1: Keita that you have going up in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days or just went up.

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Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, I think what's gonna the thing to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on are the underclassman the news on

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Speaker 2: the underclassroom. Which underclassroom I'm hearing are going to enter

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Speaker 2: the draft? Which underclassmen have already committed to an agent.

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Speaker 2: There was a story published on Saturday all for underclassmen.

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Speaker 2: All the top underclassmen from Michigan, I'm told or have

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00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: decided on representation, are going to enter the draft. Mason

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Speaker 2: Graham defensive tackle, Kenneth Grant the defensive tackle, Will Johnson

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00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: the cornerback who's been struggling with an injury, and Colston

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00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: Lovelin the tight end, will be the first tight end

741
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: off the board. I'm told all for of those guys

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00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: are going to enter the draft. Will have another article

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Speaker 2: this week, So that'll be the big news for the

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Speaker 2: next couple of for a month or so until college

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00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: football season ends, as to which underclassmen are expected to

746
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: enter the draft little trickier this year as well as

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Speaker 2: last year, because, as you mentioned earlier, you know those

748
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: nil packages can be attractive and pull those guys back

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Speaker 2: in Tony.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, my friend, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to next week.

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Speaker 1: Job me too, well. Dane Brugling with us right here

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