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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Well, Josh is telling us we're not allowed to talk

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Speaker 2: to each other anymore because we've got a fucking podcast now.

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Speaker 2: So welcome to Jackson Jones on the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, February fourth, and we're going to be joined

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Speaker 2: by two, not one, but two special guests today, Claire

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Speaker 2: de Lune and Jason Gallagher, to talk about the Luka

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Speaker 2: Doncic Madness, as well as everything else. As always, Jenkins

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Speaker 2: and Jones hosted by a Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler Heyver

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Speaker 2: Ready on the Gun. John is not with us today

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Speaker 2: because I'm John. I have to go to New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: the coolest city on Earth, for.

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Speaker 3: The super Bowl. He's going to. This is not I

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Speaker 3: didn't hear about this, did I missist in the group chat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it was while you were on the

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Speaker 2: Greyhound trying to avoid being shived. Okay, He's actually not

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Speaker 2: going to the super Bowl, right, Jackson. He's recording in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: Blew there yesterday.

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Speaker 5: He's like working all day today on whatever he's working on,

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Speaker 5: and he's flying back tomorrow morning. He was like, I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to get in, do the work and get out,

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Speaker 5: but I will be out of Commission all Monday and

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Speaker 5: Tuesdays is what he said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jeffer Jenkins I'm going to be.

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Speaker 3: How you get a trip to n ol you gotta

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Speaker 3: take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, my brother told me him and his wife

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Speaker 2: were doing a destination wedding. I was like, really, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like we're really doing this and he was like,

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Speaker 2: we're going to New Orleans and I was like, great idea.

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Speaker 2: We're producers always by the equally talented and lovely Josh

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez and Jackson Cephon. Why and we're joined first by

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Speaker 2: our good buddy maybe most frequent I mean might be

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Speaker 2: closing in on most frequent Jenkins and Jones guests Cleared

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Speaker 2: of the Guardian, Claire, thanks for joining.

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Speaker 6: Us, Thanks for having me. It's cool to be back.

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Speaker 7: It's cool to be back when you know, the craziest

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Speaker 7: trade in NBA history has occurred, and it just so

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Speaker 7: happens to be for my hometown Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 2: So is there something too my I've got a couple theories.

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Speaker 2: I think one we'll talk with Jason about later, but

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Speaker 2: I would is there something too, like a genuine deal

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Speaker 2: with the devil that like Jerry Buss signed in perpetuity,

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Speaker 2: like three years since nineteen forty eight, that the Lakers

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Speaker 2: don't have a first ballot Hall of Famer as the

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Speaker 2: core of the franchise, Like how does this keep happening

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Speaker 2: to the Lakers?

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Speaker 7: It's literally like if it's like if that meme, like

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Speaker 7: they can't keep getting away with this, like was a

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Speaker 7: basketball team, Like.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I wish I could ask some of their their mojo voodoo,

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Speaker 7: deal with the devil sauce, whatever it is, because I

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Speaker 7: could use some of this luck that they have in

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Speaker 7: my life.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of it does feel like quite lucky.

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Speaker 7: Not like front office savantis just sort of like, hey,

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Speaker 7: do you want Luka Dancic?

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Speaker 6: Like what's the catch? There is really one? We just

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Speaker 6: want a d all right?

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Speaker 2: Sick?

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Speaker 6: Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah? Uh, Tyler Claire, either one of you, Like

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Speaker 2: we're a couple of days away from it. Now, how

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Speaker 2: are you telling this story in your head? Like is

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Speaker 2: this a basketball decision? Is it collusion? Is it witchcraft?

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Speaker 2: Like what happened here?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think with the more of the details

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Speaker 1: NBA trade history, but It's the same story that we

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Speaker 1: they have to shake shit up and they just do

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Speaker 1: the dumbest fucking thing, right, Like this is something that

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Speaker 1: we've all winnsed on our jobs and we're not professional

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Speaker 1: basket players, were not NBA front office people, like all

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Speaker 1: the all the details that we're here, and it's like

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Speaker 1: Nico had it out for this dude from the moment

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Speaker 1: of you know, his his strength trainers, his nutrition is

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Speaker 1: conditioning whatever, I don't give a shit about any of that.

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Speaker 1: That that tubby motherfuckering who he took out to the finals,

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Speaker 1: who gives a shit, y'all can work that shit out.

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Speaker 1: You do not throw away a top five twenty five

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Speaker 3: Some shit like that.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's it's just I think the story is

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Speaker 1: you know, just him just just thinking that this is

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Speaker 1: and it's just just one of the worst, perhaps the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing we learned

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Speaker 7: not be willing to sign that supermax extension and that

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Speaker 7: not really excusable. I mean to me, I'm coming at

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Speaker 7: I think he's incredible, and I understand why someone would

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Speaker 7: that for like picks in a rebuild of the players

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Speaker 7: But even I someone who is a huge ad fan,

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Speaker 7: big Max Christie fan, honestly, it's it's uncomfortable, uncomfortable to

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Speaker 7: there's no rationalizing it. This the hubris to think that

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Speaker 7: he's a once in a generation player. That's that's the facts.

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Speaker 7: You're not You're not going to get another Luca in

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Speaker 7: the draft. It's just not going to happen. So mathematically,

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Speaker 7: it's so unlikely that you draft another Luka Dancic and

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Speaker 7: you had to get lucky on Draft night. That's the

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Speaker 7: part of this that is just so crazy too, is

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Speaker 7: it's like you didn't even have the number one pick

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Speaker 7: because of the ineptitude of other front offices who had

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Speaker 7: of magnitude, right, you get this place.

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Speaker 2: What we said we said on the last show, we

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Speaker 2: also got a guy who seemed like he was happy

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Speaker 2: to spend his whole career there, which is its own

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Speaker 2: lottery that you have to win. Like, you know, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about that Lakers string of players, you know,

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Speaker 2: Everyone else you have to like bully or luck your

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Speaker 2: way into. Okay, let me ask you guys this. The

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Speaker 2: more I hear about this trade, the more it feels

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Speaker 2: like some Kobe Bryant Black Mamba Sleeper cell shit that

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Speaker 2: like Nico and Rob are both part of Kobe's team.

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Speaker 2: They are apparently the three of them very very close friends.

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Speaker 2: The you know Ramona Shellborn story was like they're they

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Speaker 2: obviously know how much Kobe meant to Luca and how

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Speaker 2: his only regret today is Kobe and Gigi not being

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Speaker 2: there to see this happen. Is the simplest explanation, not

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Speaker 2: some sort of collusion that was like, Hey, if you

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do it. Like it feels like the Oukham's

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Speaker 2: Razor explanation to me, is the conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 7: I don't think so, just because I think that's underestimating

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Speaker 7: the ego that these front office guys have, Like you

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Speaker 7: would have to be essentially willing to knowingly mortgage your career,

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Speaker 7: a friend or for like a longstanding you know, like

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Speaker 7: simplest answer is an aptitude, and I think that people

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Speaker 7: just have such a hard time imagining that someone's ego

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Speaker 7: could get in the way to this degree. Clearly, he

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Speaker 7: had beef with Luca, he didn't get along with Luca,

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Speaker 7: he didn't like the way he you know, operated whatever

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Speaker 7: it is. So egos are a miracle as far as

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Speaker 7: like what they can accomplish. And I think, to me,

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Speaker 7: the simplest answer is just that Nico had the hubris

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Speaker 6: And I think he's dead wrong.

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Speaker 7: But like, I don't think I understand the conspiracy theories

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Speaker 7: because it's really everyone trying to rationalize what is a

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Speaker 7: seemingly totally irrational decision. But I think it's probably the

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Speaker 7: simplest answer. I think he's just dead wrong dude, Like.

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Speaker 2: Tyler joined me on page forty seven of YouTube, do

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Speaker 2: you but do you buy my conspiracy theory at all?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nico had that court where he's like, the

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Speaker 1: easiest thing I could have done was nothing, right, Like

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Speaker 1: this sounds like a dude who is just really full

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Speaker 1: of himself. He knows that he's taking a risk, right,

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Speaker 1: Like he's play not admitted that, and I think that

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Speaker 1: he's he's just I don't know, he big brain in

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: You don't trade Luca. You just don't trade Luca. Is

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Speaker 2: So you guys think his brain was so warped by

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Speaker 8: Basically, I also think that Wendy pointed this out on

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Speaker 2: Yes, so not comparable, though, you know, I'm understand Wendy pointing.

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Speaker 4: That, I don't know why saying it's comfortable either.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that if you're Nico Harrison and your first

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Speaker 5: I can understand being like these one of these guys

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Speaker 4: Not what do they know? But why do I care

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Speaker 4: what these people think? If I was fucking right after.

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Speaker 6: He's an outsider? Oh sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was just to say, this is the reverse decision though.

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Speaker 2: Kyrie is taking a chance on a from the superstar

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's he's fully gruntled, like

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Speaker 3: Perhaps he had in his pockets, but if you.

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Speaker 2: Had to gruntles this fucking GM, I that that the

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Speaker 7: Sounds like some sort of like like old timey like

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Speaker 6: Let me go grab my bruntal.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like some Slovenian shit, you know. It's like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for some reason, I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: Lucas said, they fire everybody that I like. They fired

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Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about whatever else you're talking

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Speaker 2: about Lebron Are the Lebron Are they talking about your entourage?

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Speaker 2: Come on out here, oh Kawhi, The Spurs are trying

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Speaker 2: can't win without those players, and the Lakers have understood that.

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Speaker 2: I think better than any other franchise in the.

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Speaker 7: NBA for sure, And I think it's kind of reminds me, so,

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Speaker 7: you know, it would be like the analogy I would

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Speaker 7: Somehow it works out for him and he's like Nico

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Speaker 7: Harrison is the normy guy and he's like, man, this

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Speaker 7: girl's really high. Maintenance, Like she really wants she needs

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Speaker 7: a lot of attention. She wants me to like send

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Speaker 7: her flowers all the time the Lakers come in, you

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Speaker 7: know whatever. Leonardo DiCaprio just dated Supermodel after Supermarde was like, bro,

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Speaker 7: no problem, I've got one eight hundred flowers on speed dial,

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Speaker 7: Like I have a membership card at Sephora, Like I

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Speaker 7: you have to deal with that.

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Speaker 2: I've used to random people hitting on my girlfriend. It

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to get Yeah, exactly, like the Lakers

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Speaker 7: are in the superstar business, as you said, and whatever,

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Speaker 7: you know, concerns the MAVs had about because it sounds

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Speaker 7: mean he's I'm sure he's has child star tendency in

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Speaker 7: some ways and is not low maintenance. But the Lakers

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Speaker 7: so I think he ultimately probably ended up at the

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Speaker 2: The Lakers are not worried about you being difficult, right,

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Speaker 7: Or just like being a superstar, Like they can handle it.

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Speaker 7: You know, they have the infrastructure to handle the heights

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Speaker 7: That's what they that's what they want, that's part of

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Speaker 7: their brand identity. They're not about like the hard nosed

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Speaker 7: hard They're not the Memphis Grizzlies, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 7: they don't aspire to be.

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Speaker 6: I don't think particularly.

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Speaker 2: So we are spotlights, not street lights, you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're oppers marketing plan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah for sure. I'm still mourning the loss of the

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Speaker 2: No, you're not my best friend. My best friend is

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Speaker 2: we I can't believe we're losing a d and I

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Speaker 2: just have been like it's not even a question. No,

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Speaker 2: you just do it, right.

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Speaker 6: But a hundred times that one hundred, I'm with.

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Speaker 2: You, And I really liked this year's Lakers team. I've

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they were okay.

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Speaker 7: So my thing was, I'm I'm simultaneously like obviously excited

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Speaker 7: living in Los Angeles, like the Lakers were going to

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Speaker 7: go straight into the next Star era. That being said,

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Speaker 7: they were finally starting to get it together. That Nick's

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Speaker 7: win was the best win of the season. That happened

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Speaker 7: just a couple hours before the trade. I'm sorry, Josh,

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Speaker 2: Can I just briefly enerject that Josh looks like a

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Speaker 7: But yeah, they were kind of on a really they

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Speaker 7: couple of small tweaks. I definitely am not saying the

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Speaker 7: one of the most successful front office moves in NBA history.

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Speaker 7: Like it's the sane coup to get Luca Dant's at

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Speaker 7: twenty five, and there's no universe where you say no

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Speaker 7: no matter what they ask before they could have asked

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Speaker 7: had to say yes, which is why part of what

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Speaker 7: you think that would have been the sticking point if

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Speaker 7: they had said, Okay, no one more you know, first

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Speaker 7: round pick and Dalton connect that you think the Lakers

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Speaker 7: would be like, no, you can keep Luka Doncic. We're

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Speaker 7: actually all set, like no, there's no way.

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Speaker 2: With a first round pick. Still, I know how.

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Speaker 6: Like what what.

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Speaker 7: Like the the Dallas Mavericks gave up a second round

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Speaker 7: in addition to Luka Dancic.

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Speaker 2: Can I just also ask both of you and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: you know, this is a relationship of convenience for you,

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Speaker 2: but like, how much are we all enjoying Danny Ainge

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Speaker 2: even know that he was, you know, part of a

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Speaker 2: Luca trade until like thirty minutes before it happened.

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Speaker 1: But that's what your thirsty ask what into trade? Half blind?

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Speaker 1: God damn, he can't help himself, man, that's what you did.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: He's like pepe le pew with the smell of a

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Speaker 5: I'm like, it's also a funny, like behind the curtain

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Speaker 5: him just like, hey, do you want Jalen hood Chapino

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Speaker 5: do much, And he's just like no, other questions like

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Speaker 5: yes please, Like like what an interesting.

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Speaker 4: Like that has to happen? Someone has to make that

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be curious. I would ask a follow up question.

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Speaker 5: If I I'd be like like, oh cool, like what

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Speaker 5: else is it involved? And he was just like I'll

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Speaker 2: You know, he's punching his pillow.

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Speaker 6: No, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: Imagine Danny Ainge getting the SHAMS notification that we all

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Speaker 5: I would have given you lowry market and eight first

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Luca numbers in Utah. I mean you know

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Speaker 6: Although Luca did numbers in Dallas, Texas. It's Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 6: It's the second most racist place after Utah. Like, what

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Speaker 6: are you talking about? I just can't I truly can't

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Speaker 7: I mean, I hope I've seen a lot of comments

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Speaker 7: We're excited to have you. I've already seen, like my

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Speaker 7: the championship this year than they did last week.

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Speaker 2: We're giving Masters some space. Master's a good friend.

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Speaker 7: We're holding space for Master, Yeah, for sure. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean I get it that. I can only hope

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Speaker 6: The last week.

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Speaker 7: But I just feel really bad for him because I

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Speaker 7: don't think they'll ever be able to separate those two things.

437
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Speaker 7: He will always be what they got back in the

438
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 7: trade for Luka Doncic. That should have never happened like

439
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Speaker 7: that is that is a stain on his legacy now

440
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 7: and it's not his fault at all, And if anything,

441
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Speaker 7: he just he got just as fucked as Luca did

442
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 7: in this whole thing like he thought he was. He

443
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 7: just bought a house in LA his wife just had

444
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Speaker 7: a baby, like he was settling into life in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 7: He just had got evacuated a few weeks ago in

446
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 7: the fires. Like yeah, I mean it sucks for ad too,

447
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 7: but like at least for Luca. The fans are like, man,

448
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 7: we'll really miss a d but holy crap, how do

449
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 7: we pull that off? You're Luka Doncic, like whereas in

450
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 7: Dallas it's like, I get that you're a really good player,

451
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 7: but you're what we got as a Constellation prize for

452
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Speaker 7: what is being regardless of the worst trade in NBA history,

453
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Speaker 7: the most lopsided trade, you know. So I really feel

454
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Speaker 7: for him because I hope I just want him to

455
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Speaker 7: be celebrated. He's so underrated in my estimation, and he

456
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Speaker 7: has played his best years of his career in the

457
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Speaker 7: show of who I think is the greatest player of

458
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Speaker 7: all time. So I just hope that at some point

459
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Speaker 7: in his career before he retires, he's able to be

460
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Speaker 7: like truly appreciated the special talent he is.

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Speaker 2: The One thing I would say, though, from Lebron's perspective,

462
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Speaker 2: is there is no doubt what we have three or

463
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: four years in a row where they talked about how

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Speaker 2: much Lebron worked with Ad on taking more of a

465
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Speaker 2: leadership role. Yeah, and that felt like that was incremental progress,

466
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: not the it's your team. And so you also understand

467
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Speaker 2: from the Lakers perspective why they don't feel like if

468
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Speaker 2: you go Kobe Shack, you know, to Braun, they don't

469
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Speaker 2: feel like a d is the next link in that chain.

470
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Speaker 2: And you can you can understand that a little bit.

471
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's his personality and it makes

472
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Speaker 2: sense for him to not try and go against his personality.

473
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Speaker 2: But Luca is more in that mode of you know,

474
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Speaker 2: I like that they're going to butt heads a little

475
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Speaker 2: bit about are we on Bron's timeline or Luca like

476
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: this is what comes, Like you said, this is what

477
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: comes with the supermodel girlfriend. You want that kind of

478
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: conflict and tension, and I feel like Bron was always

479
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: kind of trying to push some of that off onto

480
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Speaker 2: Ad and he didn't necessarily want to take it. He

481
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Speaker 2: had a quote today that I don't think is going

482
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Speaker 2: to be super well received in Dallas, where you know,

483
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Speaker 2: he did a great thing. He gave up his trade bonus.

484
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Speaker 2: He had a six million dollar trade bonus in his contract.

485
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Speaker 2: He gave up and he said, quote, trying to help

486
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Speaker 2: the team. Obviously, you always want to get better, and

487
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Speaker 2: losing a monumental piece like Luca, it's a lot. So

488
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to do my part and help Nico

489
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Speaker 2: and the organization on how we can continuously get better.

490
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Speaker 2: Like the guy you're replacing Luca with is like, well,

491
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Speaker 2: you obviously can't replace Luca.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think that's probably what the fans want

493
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 7: here honestly at this point is that like Ad feels

494
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 7: their pain and understands like, hey, this was really messed up,

495
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Speaker 7: But I'm gonna I'm already sacrificing and doing the best

496
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Speaker 7: I can. My thing with Ad that I've been that

497
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Speaker 7: I keep thinking about. He finally threw his weight around

498
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Speaker 7: for the very first time in his whole six year

499
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Speaker 7: Laker tenure. Like weeks ago, he had to sit down

500
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 7: with Shams where he was like, on the record, I

501
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 7: want to play power forward.

502
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 6: I want to get a center.

503
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Speaker 7: I've asked them for this every year, and every year

504
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 7: they've just given me minimum guys at the center position.

505
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Speaker 7: You know, it took him six years to work up

506
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 7: the courage to be like, I'm going to finally throw

507
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 7: my weight around. It was an MVP candidate at the

508
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 7: beginning of the season and they traded his ass like

509
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Speaker 7: two weeks later. That's so crazy for me, Like, as

510
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Speaker 7: someone who has a hard time asserting myself sometimes that's

511
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 7: my literal worst freaking nightmare to be like, I finally

512
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 7: worked up the strength and courage to be like, I

513
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 7: have worth here and I am the best player on

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Speaker 7: this team. And if I've been requesting something for years

515
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 7: on end, God damn it, they should do it at

516
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Speaker 7: some point.

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Speaker 2: Yourself, this is so reasonable.

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Speaker 6: What you got it in Dallas?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got dere now Mondaniel Gaffard.

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Speaker 6: There you go, so.

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Speaker 2: the world. How are you feeling on this day?

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Speaker 4: Good? Good?

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm contemplating whether or not we're going to

588
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 10: make an amendment to biggest MAVs fan in the world

589
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 10: and the joker of Dallas. But you know we're doing okay.

590
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 10: I've had better days. Joke of an organization really really

591
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 10: making me contemplate my fandom, and it's a bizarre feeling

592
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 10: because I'm a hardcore, pretty hardcore MAVs fan. I've been

593
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 10: I've spent many years embarrassing myself on behalf of this team.

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00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: So sucks well, never more embarrassed than you were on

595
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Speaker 2: Saturday February first. I'm sure, but I'm sorry because it's

596
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: genuinely it's so fucking horrible. But I okay, I want

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00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: to ask you off top. I propose this to Tyler

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00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: and Clear and they were not takers. Do you see

599
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: any credence to a Kobe Bryant sleeper cell inside job

600
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: thing here between Nico and Rob Polinka? Or do you

601
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: think he genuinely thinks this is a good move?

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Speaker 4: So can I take you on a journey a little bit? Okay?

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00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 10: Two, When we when we like semi you know, in

604
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 10: the no Smart MAVs people heard about this, we were like,

605
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 10: there will be more dropping, there will be more coming out,

606
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 10: especially from the lucaside. We're going to find out he

607
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 10: made some sort of threat something to make this make

608
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Speaker 10: a little bit of sense.

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Speaker 4: I do want to he.

610
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: Pulled it, He pulled a gun in the locker room

611
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: something like that.

612
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did that.

613
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Speaker 10: He he did the worst things imaginable. Right, and and

614
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 10: then as Nico Harrison started doing this thing where he

615
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 10: opened his mouth in front of a microphone.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 10: Unreal. It became very clear that there wasn't more coming out.

618
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 10: It was simply that this man thought this was a

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Speaker 10: good idea. And so I was like, oh my gosh,

620
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Speaker 10: this guy is just not He's just he really likes

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Speaker 10: this idea. So then beyond that, I'm kind of sitting

622
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Speaker 10: there going like reading these you know, Kobeka sort of things,

623
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Speaker 10: and I'm going, well, you know, it doesn't make sense,

624
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 10: but it makes more sense than the things he's saying.

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00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: That's where I'm coming from.

626
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: Yes, do you know what I mean.

627
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Speaker 10: So it's like it makes you, it turns you into

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Speaker 10: a crazy conspiracy theorist, but if there was a better

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Speaker 10: alternative that made sense. The only reason why I'm dubious

630
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Speaker 10: of something like that is just because it takes a

631
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Speaker 10: lot of people.

632
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Speaker 4: To keep secrets in this league.

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Speaker 10: And it's like the amount of people that would have

634
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 10: to keep that secret is pretty insane. But crazier things

635
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Speaker 10: have happened. I don't know, it makes that little sense.

636
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 10: I mean, when was the last time someone was traded

637
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 10: and the newsbreaker had to clarify they weren't hacked? And

638
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 10: every single NBA player in the world commented on it

639
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 10: and was like what in the world. I mean, it

640
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 10: got like they got like Anthony Edwards to be like,

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00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 10: what are you doing, Like that's that's a really crazy,

642
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 10: crazy thing to do. So I don't know, man, it's

643
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 10: a it's bleak times. And I really, again, I've prided

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Speaker 10: myself on fandom. It's something that I've always talked with

645
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 10: players by everything, like it's it's a such a crucial

646
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 10: piece to this whole pie that I feel like I

647
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 10: love and I'm very passionate about fandom, and you know

648
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 10: that the love of sport and this this one really

649
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 10: hurt MAVs fans. I really think it's like one of

650
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 10: the worst things an organization could do to their own fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a home It was with my homeie

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Speaker 1: since since college, who's a lifelong mass fan, and he

653
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Speaker 1: and you know, we've been texting about it. He just

654
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: texted me like out the blue to day, like I

655
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: just really can't believe it. This is the worst moment

656
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: of my life as a as a sports fan. No

657
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: hyperbally like it's it's really taking a toll on so

658
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: many MAVs fans, and I feel like a lot of

659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: them are abandoning the MAVs. A lot of them are saying,

660
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm following Luca to the Lakers, Like it's

661
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: just just giving up a player like Luca twenty five,

662
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: not even playing the best basketball of his life yet,

663
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, not even totally hit his peak yet, and

664
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: to give him up. And it's just like the thing

665
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: about a guy like Luca, having a player like that

666
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: is that you always have a chance year in and

667
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: year out for the next ten, twelve, fifteen years.

668
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: And now that's gone.

669
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Now y'all are working on a window of a bunch

670
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: of thirty plus year olds right on with thirty two

671
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: year old Kyrie, thirty two year old Ad and for

672
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: that to just just evaporate like that, Bro, Like I

673
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: just I just don't know how I'd be able to

674
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: deal with it.

675
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: Like I said, if I was a mass fan, I'd quit.

676
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I've quit.

677
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: I've quit my teams for less, So I would have

678
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: out hit the door.

679
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 10: Bro Listen, And there's you guys know this, there's particular

680
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 10: identities with fan bases. You know, there's there just is Okay,

681
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 10: So if you're a Miami Heat fan, you sort of

682
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 10: come to expect that, like you you buy your players,

683
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 10: but we got this top note culture and.

684
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: Players want to come here. That's like their identity. Whether

685
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: it's the.

686
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 10: Buffalo Bills or Boston stuff, whatever, every fan base has

687
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 10: an identity, and the Mavericks fan base is really founded

688
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 10: on this idea through conditioning from the organization itself, that

689
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 10: you pick a guy and you ride with that guy.

690
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 10: And that's just what MAVs fans are used to. I mean,

691
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 10: I'm thirty eight years old, Kim a MAVs fan. I

692
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 10: was much pretty young, and it's like, okay, so when

693
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 10: I was a child of Kim, a MAVs fan, you're

694
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 10: already a little different. You're already like kind of the

695
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 10: weirdo in the corner because everyone's a Cowboys fan, but

696
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 10: we're MAVs fans. Then this gangly German dude comes and

697
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 10: you're kind of like okay, and you you learned through

698
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 10: just cheering him on that, Oh I really love cheering

699
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 10: on our guy, you know, I love going through the

700
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 10: ups and downs and the disappointments and everything like that.

701
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 10: And then it was an immediate handoff to Luca, which

702
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 10: felt really fortunate. We felt like we we were very

703
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 10: lucky because we could could can continue with that brand

704
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 10: of fandom, and so so that's why we're I think

705
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 10: it was so stunning was that it's this isn't Miami.

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 10: Like when Nico his first comment was defense wins championships

707
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 10: and that's like, I don't even I don't even really

708
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 10: know what to say about that, But that's that's that's,

709
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 10: you know, cheating on your wife and and and your

710
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 10: explanation is like, you know, we're all going to die somedays,

711
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 10: so who can't, Like I don't even know, but it's

712
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 10: like what we have love here, we care. I'm just

713
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 10: trying to stay in shape. It's it's finding this like

714
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 10: completely different thing that doesn't address the actual pin. And

715
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 10: I think that that miss read it was was one

716
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 10: of the bigger mysterads and they had no Nico had

717
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 10: nobody in his corner to tell him because it definitely

718
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 10: wasn't the ownership group, and it definitely wasn't anybody else

719
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 10: that was like, hey, this is a bad idea.

720
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: Everyone was. Dirk was shocked, Luca was like everybody shocked.

721
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 10: And so I think that that is the piece that

722
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 10: they're really missing and why they're going to see this

723
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 10: particular fan base really revolt on this one. I really

724
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 10: believe it. I'll tell you this right now. I have

725
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 10: been on the record. I have no shame in saying it.

726
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 10: I'm completely done. I was done before. I was like,

727
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 10: I'm asleep on it. Then I kept writing reading new quotes.

728
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 10: There was the one quote I put out on Twitter

729
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 10: that where he essentially said, the reason we didn't want

730
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 10: this to leak is because we didn't want our fans

731
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 10: to get upset.

732
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: We didn't want to face backlash.

733
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 10: And it's like, so then you knowingly moved forward, knowingly

734
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 10: knowing that you were going to face this kind of backlash,

735
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 10: and that to me means that they betrayed us, and

736
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 10: it's not the other way around. And so when I've

737
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 10: got a few people in my mentions are like you're

738
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 10: a bandwagon, you're this, or you're that, and it's like, whatever,

739
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 10: I mean, you want to be this person who sticks

740
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 10: with the in the relationship that treats you like shit,

741
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 10: you knock yourself out. But I got more important. Okay, Okay,

742
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 10: see stadium is five minutes that way. I'm gonna I

743
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 10: think I'm gonna start going to those games. I'm gonna

744
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 10: start barking when Jaylen Williams it's the three, It's it's fun.

745
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: Tyler, do you want to give Jason the pitch? Tyler

746
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: was a lapsed Washington football team fan because of the ownership,

747
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: and then came back with Jaden Daniels. Do you want

748
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: to tell Jason that there's light at the end of

749
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: the tunnel and it's okay to step away from the

750
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: abusive relationship?

751
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Look, look, it's it's

752
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an adjustment. You know, there's gonna be

753
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: times you're you're not gonna be able to just straight

754
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: out cold turkey quit am. You're gonna find yourself checking

755
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: box scores and such. You know, it's gonna be so

756
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: much gonna break up where you you know, you might

757
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: be checking their social.

758
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: Media here and there.

759
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: But but but look, bro, you will get through it

760
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: and it'll be a burden lifted off you. And I'm

761
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: telling you, bro, like like, I can't fault anyone who

762
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: quits the mass after this. This is an egregious mishandled

763
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: like it was it was some big brain ship that

764
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: ripped the heart out of an entire fan base.

765
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: I just can't abide it.

766
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 10: Dog, I can't either, And I really I don't blame

767
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 10: anybody for any real you know, if you want to

768
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 10: ride with this team, ride with this team. But but

769
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 10: I think there, I think that, you know, a lot

770
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 10: of MAVs folks are out and I I just don't

771
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 10: even blame them. At this point, it's like it's like

772
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 10: the Lakers are I mean me, Jason Gallagher probably cheer

773
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 10: for the Lakers. At this point, it's like, my guys

774
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 10: coaching the team, I've got. My other guy is Mind

775
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 10: the Game season two coming sometime in the future.

776
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: You know, we got that going.

777
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 10: My favorite players on the team, Dorian Finney Smith, my

778
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 10: has my heart is on that team.

779
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: It's hard to.

780
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 10: You know. What's funny is I used to be this

781
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 10: Like I used to be one of those curmudgeony people

782
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 10: that were like these kids, they'll follow any player anyway.

783
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 10: They have no dignity in this world. Like if someone's

784
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 10: like I'm a Kadie fan, I'm like, God, you don't know.

785
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 10: And now it's like I look at my kid, he's

786
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 10: just like, go Lakers, and I'm like, yeah, this.

787
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 11: Is and this is this is what you did, Mavericks,

788
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 11: Like so many fans are gonna do that, so they've

789
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 11: like I can't even like believe that they would even

790
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 11: I can't even all like like I've tried to play

791
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 11: out the scenarios in which.

792
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 10: Okay, he's out of shape, whatever, he's bad at defense, whatever.

793
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 10: I'm trying to play out the scenarios he said he

794
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 10: wants to leave in two years whatever, Like all of

795
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 10: them still.

796
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: Don't make any sense.

797
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 10: There is airs yet if you look at this at

798
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 10: any angle, there's zero, zero sense in doing it the

799
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 10: way that they've done it. In one thing that I've told,

800
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 10: I'm we're like, really the fans, and I keep coming

801
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 10: back to that.

802
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: It's like that is something you can control, you know

803
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: what I mean?

804
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm yeah, I'm cut out for a second.

805
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 4: We can hear you now, Yeah, I'm yeah, my internet

806
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: is unstable.

807
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, now I'm with you, bro.

808
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: There's all the excuses that we've seen about, you know,

809
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: the conditioning, you know, the lack of commitment to defense,

810
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, whatever have you. That shit you can work around.

811
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: This is twenty five year old. Looka, this isn't thirty

812
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: six year old. Jimmy Butler, Bro, Like you work around

813
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: that ship with Luca, Bro, you make it happen.

814
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like, I'm with you.

815
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: I just do not understand severing ties for any of

816
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: those reasons that we've seen listed.

817
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Well.

818
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I love Luca's dad coming out and calling Miko Harrison

819
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: a coward basically and was like, if you want a

820
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: different basketball player than my son, then say that. But

821
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: he played one hundred games for you last year, forty

822
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: minutes a fucking game. Don't say it's because he's fat. Like, like,

823
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: come out and say you want Anthony Davis, Okay, and

824
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: own that and move forward with that. But don't come

825
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: out and say a dude who's five years running, who

826
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: has more first team All nbas than Steph Curry is

827
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: not in shape enough to play basketball at twenty five

828
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: years old. Bro, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

829
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 10: And that's what's so funny about the MAVs fan base.

830
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 10: I mean, you ask any national writer. I was texting

831
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 10: with one Tim Bomb Temps, who is a true villain

832
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 10: in Dallas, like the Dallas fans hate Bond Temps. But

833
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 10: you know he was saying, is that that's a unique

834
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 10: passion in love of a fan base, to a fan

835
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 10: like or to a player, because they've been defending people

836
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 10: for the last five years, or they defending him two

837
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 10: people for the last five years. When someone's like, oh

838
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 10: he's out of shape, Oh he's fat. Oh they lost

839
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 10: in Boston because he's out of shape, very and he's

840
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 10: he's got an injury because he's fat.

841
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: And it's like in.

842
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 10: Every down, like on Twitter being like, you dumb motherfuckers.

843
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 10: Have you seen what he does when he like every

844
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 10: MAVs fan is on there doing it. So I think

845
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 10: that that is actually what is so funny. The first

846
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 10: words I read for Timcman's report on this was Nico

847
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 10: Harrison's explanation defense wins championships. It's like, are you literally

848
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 10: doing this too? A fan base that has been defending

849
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 10: that notion for not only him but also Dirk for

850
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 10: the last twenty years, do you not This is a

851
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 10: fan base that firmly believes that that's not the case.

852
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 10: You know what we believe in Dallas. We've been on

853
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 10: the strength forever. This is why we argue that Dirk

854
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 10: is better than KG. This is what we do because

855
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 10: our belief is that what wins Championships is generational offensive

856
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 10: talent who is your cheat code, and that you backfill

857
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 10: the defense deficiencies with the rest of the roster because

858
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 10: you can do that, you know what I mean, That's

859
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 10: what we believe, and so this idea defense wins Championships.

860
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 10: I am just like you don't know what you're talking about.

861
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 10: And I have said some some really mean things about

862
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 10: Nico Harrison publicly, and I mean all of them that

863
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 10: can be cleared up, I mean them all.

864
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: Are you saying that the huge deal today Quentin Grimes

865
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 5: for Kaylin Martin is not bringing you back to Nico

866
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 5: Harrison's side. That's not moving the needle for you. The

867
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: local replacement, Caleb Look a replacement Kaylen Martin.

868
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: Did you guys know that I did not know that news.

869
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: He just told me that, Ye, Quentin Grison is the

870
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: second round pick.

871
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Let me let me let me say this. It's we've

872
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: obviously brought up on the podcast that I've known Peyton

873
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Watson since he was a little kid. If you switch

874
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: his defensive skill and offensive rawness and give him the

875
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: offensive skill and the defensive rawness, it's a nine figure

876
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: change in his net worth. Like defense, you say whatever

877
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: the fuck you want to say about defense. But if

878
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: you're raising a basketball player, I would encourage him to

879
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: be a generational offensive prodigy if you could pick one

880
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: of the two, regardless of what Nico Harrison is putting

881
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: into the atmosphere.

882
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I'm not I wouldn't regret.

883
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 10: I don't really begrude to anyone for believing that defense

884
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 10: wins championships. What I'm saying is that this, this this

885
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 10: fan base is is just uniquely actually anti defense from

886
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 10: the championships. I just find it to be so funny

887
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 10: that they did not know that it is. I mean,

888
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 10: ask Jackson, we worked together. I used to just walk

889
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 10: into random offices on a Tuesday and just start yelling

890
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 10: at people.

891
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: AG is not better than.

892
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 5: Dirk, absolutely, true, fact, Absolutely it.

893
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 4: Is a fact.

894
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 10: I used to do that, and I used to be like,

895
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 10: I mean, yes, if you want to win Twitter arguments, sure,

896
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 10: but if you want to win real life basketball games,

897
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 10: you want Dirk on your team because he was your

898
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 10: cheek code. He was your guy that oh, first action

899
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 10: didn't work, second action didn't work, Let's just jump into dark.

900
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 10: And that actually wound up being a really great bailout option.

901
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 10: Because he was that good. So this was our fundamental belief. Again,

902
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 10: I'm not actually here to argue that right now. The

903
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 10: point is is that that's what we believe, and that's

904
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 10: what we believe with Luca, and so I don't want

905
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 10: to hear about the defensive thing. And by the way,

906
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 10: they were a really good defense last year. I was

907
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 10: for the trade deadline, Like there's this other angle of

908
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 10: it where it's like, yeah.

909
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: But it's it's like it's like going to the grocery

910
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: store and saying, like, we're not buying steak today because

911
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: steak doesn't clean clothes, right, Like they have nothing to

912
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: do with each other like that, Like that's not like

913
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: Luca's not there to be the defensive centerpiece. Like you

914
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: buy laundry detergent to wash the clothes and then you

915
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: get steak to have for dinner. They're separate categories with

916
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: separate requirements and very separate budgets exactly.

917
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: It's also one thing to do this like on a

918
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: year exactly, except for go ahead, y what's that?

919
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: Oh?

920
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 10: I was just gonna say in that analogy, I'm just

921
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 10: I'm just I'm mister, like, yeah, we need to we

922
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 10: need a washer dryer, So we're gonna actually give away

923
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 10: our house, Like.

924
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: Now you just have a washer and dryer, what do

925
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: you do?

926
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 9: Like?

927
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 4: It just sucks, man, And to do it coming off

928
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: a year where they made it to the finals.

929
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 5: It's like, even if you want a point to say

930
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: he's more out of shape than you want or he's

931
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 5: heavier than you want, it doesn't even matter. They the

932
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: production is the production. The wins are the wins. They

933
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 5: just made it to the NBA Finals with the with

934
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: the exact player that they were complaining about.

935
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 10: And you and you, you Jackson, you're a Boston fan.

936
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 10: You watched the series very closely, very closely. Was Luca

937
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 10: in the top ten reasons why Dallas lost that series?

938
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: No?

939
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 10: And now they're like, Kyrie's our offensive engine. I'm sorry,

940
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 10: did we did we not watch the NBA Finals last year?

941
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 10: Because that did not work, especially when you have to

942
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 10: like load up on him.

943
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: Right now it's all him.

944
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 10: Now now it's all him. He's the engine. I've seen

945
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 10: what it is. And God bless him because he he

946
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 10: like puts it all out there. That's not the question.

947
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 10: But he's getting older and he's getting dare I say

948
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 10: it a little easier to scheme against, is all I'm saying.

949
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: I mean, we've never seen Kyrie Irving as a primary

950
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: option do well in the playoffs.

951
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Ever.

952
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been he's a he's maybe the best.

953
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: Second option offensively in the entire MBA, but he's We've

954
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: never seen him at playoffs success as a lead option,

955
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: not a single time.

956
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: No.

957
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 10: And this is no shots at him, like really no

958
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 10: shots at him, but it's it's it's the This is

959
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 10: kind of what to get back to your sort of

960
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 10: first question about conspiracy theories, talking all of this out

961
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 10: only makes you go, well, I don't know, maybe maybe

962
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 10: maybe maybe Nico is actually employed by the Lakers.

963
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: I do not.

964
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: It makes a lot more sense if that were the case,

965
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: it would it's.

966
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: An easier right, That's yeah, And that's my point. The

967
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory is not usually the Okham's razor explanation, you know,

968
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: and in this case it may be. Here's my question

969
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: for Tyler and free Jason is did Rob Polenka take

970
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: such advantage of his friend that he has to be

971
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: considered like a bad guy? And Jason, I don't know

972
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: if it was you or another MAVs fan I follow

973
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: who tweeted, but like, you know, this is this guy's

974
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: allegedly one of your best friends, and you know, successfully

975
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: convinces you. Don't tell anyone else in the world about this,

976
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: not one other person, because it would be a violation

977
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: of trust. And we have to have a really high

978
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: level of trust to pull off this great move for you,

979
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: So don't even like, don't even tell your wife, bro, Like,

980
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: don't tell any by that we're doing this. And then

981
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: he shows up to the press conference in a brown

982
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: leather jacket to like cross his legs and be like, well,

983
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: obviously if you could get Luca, I mean, and he.

984
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: Started it by saying, and I just want to thank

985
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 5: Nico Harrison for his professionalism.

986
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: He did a great job keeping this trust tree connected.

987
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: No that that shit when he said total anyone that

988
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: should kill me. And also during the press of today

989
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, well, I don't look at it

990
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: as who won the trade. I just want to think

991
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Nico for you know, collaborating with me on this achieve success.

992
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 5: He said, to collaborate with me so we could get

993
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 5: Luca to Dallas were the words that he used.

994
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 10: It's crazy and I'll say this man to answer your question,

995
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 10: I'm not sure any person who ends the sentence with

996
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 10: so this information can't leave this like usually those people

997
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 10: are not good people. Yeah, most of those scenarios involved

998
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 10: some pretty fucked up things, and this was one of

999
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 10: those things.

1000
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I just how I will say this. I

1001
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: didn't I didn't have.

1002
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 10: Like the best opinion of Rob Blinka before, but I'll

1003
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 10: say this, he might be bad guy. He has my

1004
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 10: utter respect because I mean generally, because he was one

1005
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 10: of my favorite things. It was a YouTube comment someone

1006
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 10: made where they kind of just laid it out and

1007
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 10: they were like, this is the most realistic thing I

1008
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 10: think happened.

1009
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: And I read it and I was like, I love this.

1010
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: And it.

1011
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 10: Comes up at a breakfast or lunch or wherever these

1012
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 10: two hangout, and you know, Nico floated to him and

1013
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 10: brunch and Nico floated to him and he says, you know,

1014
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 10: it's this idea, but Luca and Rob is like, ah,

1015
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 10: well this sounds interesting.

1016
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: What would it take?

1017
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 10: And they start throwing stuff out and and I I'm

1018
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 10: willing to bet that actually a lot more was on

1019
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 10: the table at the beginning, right, because that's what.

1020
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: People with normal brains would say.

1021
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 10: So then they're like, but this can't get out, and

1022
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 10: that that that that quote this can't get out was

1023
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 10: actually the leverage that Rob needed to eventually squeeze this

1024
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 10: man's head. And that's the theory that I love the

1025
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 10: most is that really randomly, after they were flirty talking

1026
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 10: for a little bit, really randomly on a Saturday evening,

1027
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 10: Rob said, this is your package or this is getting

1028
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 10: out there, and you're gonna get fired before any of

1029
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 10: this happens, because the if the if it leaks that

1030
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 10: you're shopping Luca to the Lakers, you're fucking done. You're done,

1031
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 10: and they're going to see the fan back, the feedback

1032
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 10: from the fan base.

1033
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: Because they hate the Lakers, you know how they hate

1034
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: the Lakers, like not because it's a bad move, but

1035
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: because you know, they don't want to help the Lakers.

1036
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's really it's really one of those things

1037
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 10: where they think that he just they he just cornered

1038
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 10: him and it squeezed him, and that his ultimate leverage

1039
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 10: was just simply the leak. His leverage was I will

1040
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 10: leak this to Shams and you'll be done. I have

1041
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 10: to say yes tonight.

1042
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: The last time I told someone I have a deal

1043
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: for you, and you can't tell anyone about it. I

1044
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: was like seven years old, convincing my little brother, I'm

1045
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: going to give you five pennies and all you have

1046
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: to give me in return is your one ten dollars bill.

1047
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: So you get five and I get one. But you

1048
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: can't tell mom because she will not understand. And of

1049
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: course he told my mom and she was not. You know,

1050
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: we could to not have the mom in this scenario

1051
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: to bail him out, you know, you know.

1052
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 10: It's you know, it's sad. Is it sounds like me

1053
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 10: would take that deal.

1054
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: Championship, he would jump right. That's stupid.

1055
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: Ah, how old is your kid, Jason?

1056
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: How is he? How old is sorry? He's a he's

1057
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: eleven years old.

1058
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 10: And he has basically turned into the guy, the guy

1059
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 10: with the Laker's necklace who's like Lakers. He's seen that gift.

1060
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 10: That's my child. Now he's just that guy. He's just

1061
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 10: walking around. He has a lebron jersey. He wore it

1062
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 10: to a dinner that night. I mean, he is so

1063
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 10: out on the MAVs. You know, it's a bummer. We

1064
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 10: went to we got seats right behind the MAVs bench

1065
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 10: at the thunder MAVs game a week prior and like

1066
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 10: all the coaches high fiving, Isaac, Kyrie came over high

1067
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 10: five Isaac.

1068
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: It was a beautiful, beautiful thing.

1069
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 10: And one week later he's like, fuck these motherfuckers, I'm out.

1070
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: He really talks like that too. He really talks like

1071
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 4: that too.

1072
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: I believe that, Man, what if what if the unimaginable

1073
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: happens and Dallas actually wins a championship this seeon this season?

1074
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: Where where would you be at with things? Then?

1075
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: Okay, here's where I'm at.

1076
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 10: I don't think I would care, and I think i'll

1077
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 10: I think most fans I probably wouldn't feel that way,

1078
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 10: but I think of an alarming amount, would you know

1079
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 10: what I mean? That's like it's like I even if

1080
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 10: it's twenty percent or like, nah, I think that's the case.

1081
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 10: And the thing that I really believe is that if

1082
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 10: you were to go to the average Mavericks fan right

1083
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 10: now and say you can guarantee a championship this year

1084
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 10: if you trade Luca and you do it with Anthony

1085
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 10: Davis and Max Christy, Okay, if you can guarantee that,

1086
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 10: or you can roll the dice with Luca for the

1087
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 10: next decade with no guarantees of a championship.

1088
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: But maybe, I don't know.

1089
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 10: I would be willing to bet the vast majority would

1090
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 10: say we're rolling the dice.

1091
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: We're rolling the.

1092
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 10: Dice, because that's the kind of Dan base it is.

1093
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 10: So it will feel a little feel a little empty.

1094
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 10: I'm sure some fans would enjoy it. I don't think

1095
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 10: I would, Tim Legler said on his podcast, and I

1096
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 10: really agreed with this, which was this, this whole trade

1097
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 10: can't even can't even be properly evaluated for another decade.

1098
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 10: He was like even he went as far as to say,

1099
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 10: even if the MAVs won the title this year, it

1100
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 10: still would not allow us to evaluate this trade. It

1101
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 10: is going to be a decade because we need to

1102
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 10: see what Luca is and becomes.

1103
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: Still And I really think that like it.

1104
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 10: I think it's just as possible that, you know, Dallas

1105
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 10: was the championship this year and then Luke the three

1106
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 10: peats in four years, and it's like, well you would wi,

1107
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 10: you know. So I'm just I don't think that Aampi

1108
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 10: trip moves me that much. And again, it's it's more

1109
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 10: about how you treat a fan base. It's it's an end.

1110
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I ask you about your son is

1111
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: that was my first thought. I have a son who's

1112
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: eleven and is a huge basketball fan and literally was

1113
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: on our podcast on Sunday in his Lebron jersey as

1114
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: the Lakers kid who's like Lakers, And that was my

1115
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: first album. When we got Luca, was like, oh, holy shit,

1116
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: Vinnie's gonna be graduating college when this dude is thirty

1117
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: five right on the Lakers. And I think, especially when

1118
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: you have kids, that's like, at least for me, that's

1119
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: why we got into the Dodgers they acquired Mookie Bets.

1120
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my son going, oh, this will be

1121
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: your entire childhood, Like cool, bro, Like, let's start watching

1122
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: these games together. And I think that's why to a

1123
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: casual fan, it might sound crazy for you to say

1124
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: a championship would not move you, but like, right now,

1125
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: the Lakers have one championship with the Lebron era, but

1126
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: it's not. To me, it's not even about the championship.

1127
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: It's about any random night I could save up enough

1128
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: money to take my kid to a Lakers game. Lebron's playing,

1129
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or Luca's playing for the

1130
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: next ten years. It's about that relevance in the daily

1131
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: experience of being a fan of a team that's got

1132
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: one of those couple guys. That's what you that's what

1133
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: they're robbing from their fans, and that's what like Nico.

1134
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: That's so it's hard to believe someone could be so

1135
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: big brained that they would not understand that component of

1136
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: fandom is that, like the person means something to the fans,

1137
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: and the future with the person means something to the

1138
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 2: fans too, And that's what he traded away. And that's why,

1139
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: like you said, no one gives a fuck about your

1140
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: three year window with it, Like that's just not what

1141
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: it's about. You know, you can't say that stuff out

1142
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: loud to fans.

1143
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 10: And I think a really real, real thing is that

1144
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 10: they were definitely over his bullshit. I think I I've

1145
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 10: spoken to enough people that's been reported by Stein and

1146
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 10: Tim McMahon. I think that's very real that and that

1147
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 10: by day, I mean, like a very small full of

1148
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 10: people were kind of annoyed. You know, he demanded that

1149
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 10: weird Slovenia and techno music play during shoot round, like

1150
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 10: he was like he was had some bullshit attached to

1151
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 10: him right. And I was texted with Tim McMahon last

1152
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 10: night and we were like, Tim, you work in symstry.

1153
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: How how many?

1154
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 10: How many superstars are easy? And it's like it's like

1155
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 10: Steph and then and then maybe back then, Dirk like

1156
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 10: you didn't. You didn't have a lot of like just

1157
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 10: low maintenance. I mean, I don't know anything about Boston.

1158
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 10: So so this wasn't a shot at anything or anyone else.

1159
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 10: But by and large, you got a superstar. You put

1160
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 10: up with the bullshit for a reason because they're superstar.

1161
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 10: It's just it's just a reality of the league. And

1162
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 10: if if it's really as if, if I actually think

1163
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 10: that that was also a part of it is that

1164
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 10: Nico was like I'm annoyed by him and and.

1165
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: I just A'm like so awesome, it's so crazy.

1166
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 10: It's it's just crazy, and it's it's man, I'm I'm

1167
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 10: really uh darp about this. I had a I was

1168
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 10: on Bourbon I'm in New Orleans right now. It was

1169
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 10: on Bourbon Street last night and a massive dude started

1170
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 10: yelling my name, Jason Gallagher, Jason Gallagher.

1171
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I it's like Marshall New.

1172
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 10: House I'm a football player for the face, and I

1173
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 10: was like, okay, and it was like a follow on Twitter.

1174
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 10: They fucked up, you know, and I was like, oh

1175
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 10: my god. He like he looked he like was yelling

1176
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 10: at me. He looked he was so mad about the

1177
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 10: Luca thing. But I thought I like owed him money

1178
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 10: or something.

1179
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: I was like, what happened?

1180
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 10: But it was great, it was I mean, that's how

1181
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 10: fans feel. It's like it's just so brutal.

1182
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 11: Man.

1183
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: I had I had people.

1184
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 10: Man, I'm telling you that I I it's up there

1185
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 10: in like top three days I've got I got text

1186
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 10: from people like everybody, people that had no idea what

1187
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 10: basketball was, but they knew that about me, you know

1188
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 10: what I mean. Like that's how many people like Uncle

1189
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 10: Bob texted me, and my friend Annie, who's like a

1190
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 10: theater teacher Texted's. Like people that don't know anything about

1191
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 10: basketball were just like, we're so sorry.

1192
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: You know. Somebody sent me flowers.

1193
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: Flowers Okay, what was the describe the arrangement? Please? What

1194
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: what flowers do you get when you're when you're you're superstar,

1195
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: get straighted away.

1196
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 10: I don't want to put this person on blast, but

1197
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 10: but he he definitely, uh uh, it wasn't the best.

1198
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't the best to say, but it was.

1199
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: It was.

1200
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 4: It was.

1201
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 10: It was that and then a bottle of melowtone and

1202
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 10: and then it just with a note that just said

1203
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 10: welcome to the Lake Show.

1204
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: Damn, Bro, I got Tyler. I gotta step my trolling

1205
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: game up. Bro, I thought I'd been obnoxious on this podcast.

1206
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: I guess not.

1207
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 5: Let me guys as well. I'm about how this trade happened.

1208
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 5: Is the Saturday night notification comes out and I one

1209
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 5: second later, I immediately call Jason Gallagher and it's late

1210
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 5: in the evening and he's in Texas or Oklahoma.

1211
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: So he goes.

1212
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 4: His reaction he had, not not.

1213
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 5: Having seen the notification yet, is what the fuck are

1214
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 5: you calling me for?

1215
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was like, what the fuck?

1216
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: What the fuck are you not called? What do you mean?

1217
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: And he was like, what are you talking about? I

1218
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, let me tell you this right now.

1219
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, we need this story. I didn't

1220
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: know you broke the news to Jason.

1221
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 4: My one regret is not being like, hey, is your

1222
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 4: wife there? Can she film you right now? Like that's

1223
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 4: that's what I should have done.

1224
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: But I called him.

1225
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 4: He goes, what the fuck? And I was like, what

1226
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: the fuck?

1227
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 5: Thinking he was saying what the fuck about the trade,

1228
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 5: and then he was like no, but like why are

1229
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 5: you calling me?

1230
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 10: That goes to show what kind of person I am.

1231
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 10: He called me and I was like, what the fuck?

1232
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 10: You don't call me on a Saturday?

1233
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: What is this?

1234
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: What is this?

1235
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 6: And uh?

1236
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 4: And to read the trade detales and he goes, no way,

1237
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 4: and I read it again. He goes, I gotta go.

1238
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: It's true.

1239
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

1240
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 10: Oh man, God, well, gentlemen, how much programming do we

1241
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 10: have to fill here?

1242
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: We're all good.

1243
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 3: We're all good.

1244
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 10: Jason ble booked this this day, and I've got people

1245
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 10: texted me.

1246
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: Are you Jason?

1247
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: We appreciate you for hopping on and sharing your and

1248
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: we wish you the best of let going forward.

1249
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 10: Brother, Thanks Bells, thanks for you know, hearing me out

1250
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 10: and just just letting me spend for a little bit.

1251
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 3: If you need.

1252
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 4: Thank you. See you guys.

1253
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: That's so sad.

1254
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 10: Man.

1255
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: I will quit those motherfucker's dog and I wouldn't look bad. Seriously,

1256
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: I'd be done.

1257
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy, do you I don't do you believe him, Jackson.

1258
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: You obviously know him better, do you. Guys believe him

1259
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: when he says if they win a championship this year,

1260
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: he won't care.

1261
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: I can see how how it's not the same, though,

1262
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: I can absolutely see be the same.

1263
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like someone it's like someone who dumped you

1264
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: doing something nice for you, or you're like, I don't

1265
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: you already killed that part of me? Oh man, all right,

1266
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: well that's all the time we got. We'll be back

1267
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: on Thursday, uh and we will see everybody then. Bye

1268
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: bye bye.

1269
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 9: The volume