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Speaker 3: Good morning, sweperld and welcome to the No Dunk's Podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic Network of Fine Network. It's Friday, October thirteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Scoo key, I'm j E. Skeats here

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Speaker 3: in the Classic Factory. To my left, it's the Beard one,

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Speaker 3: my top shat, hot Boy trick review, Alpay and over

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Speaker 3: Yonder the man making the magic happen. Super producer JD. Hello,

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Speaker 3: there he is and here we are. Quick update on

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Speaker 3: our guy Task. This past Wednesday, he was discharged from

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Speaker 3: the rehab center here in Atlanta, doctors and therapists giving

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Speaker 3: Task the okay to head home, where he'll now continue

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Speaker 3: all of his therapy sessions as an outpatient. So huge step.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would like to say he's taking baby steps,

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Speaker 3: but this guy's taken like triple jump. Mike Conley leaps.

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Speaker 3: That's a reference for you old heads out there. Mike

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Speaker 3: Conley triple jump expert, probably gold medalists, I believe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right. He's a real Jordan Kilgannon

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Speaker 4: out there with the way he's making these major leaps.

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Speaker 4: I guess he went up, he went up forward. Nonetheless, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we don't really know when Task will be back, but man,

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Speaker 4: what a great step for him to go home and

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Speaker 3: Awesome stuff, awesome, awesome stuff. So there's a great, great

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Speaker 3: Task update. Shout out to the stream team for joining

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Speaker 3: us live here on YouTube. Smack that like button, subscribe

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Speaker 3: share the show as we get closer and closer to

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Speaker 3: the start of the NBA season. Really it's the start

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Speaker 3: of no dunks. Let's be honest. I know it's a

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Speaker 3: Friday here, but starting on Monday, it's season preview time

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Speaker 3: basically in two weeks. So yeah, buckle up, the boys

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Speaker 3: are back, no doubt. On today's pod, we got a

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Speaker 3: little is this news. We're gonna talk about Channing Fry

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Speaker 3: watching a movie on an airplane and he called it

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Speaker 3: a rhino turd. We'll talk about it later. Your guests

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Speaker 3: for what movie you think is the Rhino? Don't cheat? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: movie did Channing Fry call a rhino turt? And you

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Speaker 4: bottom of the Western Conference. And similar to the Mavericks,

429
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Speaker 4: they tanked away the end of their season, so they

430
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Speaker 4: could easily surpass that on wins. But I think this

431
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 4: is just a good place to talk about the Thunder

432
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 4: because everybody is hyped for the Thunder right now. You

433
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Speaker 4: see what chet Holmgren has been doing in the preseason,

434
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 4: That's exactly what they needed. Somebody to rebound, play defense,

435
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 4: and be a big guy for him. It looks like

436
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 4: it's gonna be awesome, and everybody's just excited to see

437
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 4: the Thunder. And I do think that they can be

438
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Speaker 4: a legit top six playoff team this year. And if

439
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Speaker 4: that's the case, that's still an improvement.

440
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Speaker 3: Yeah. If you are listening to the other podcasts out

441
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: there right now, everybody's going crazy about okay see and

442
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 3: you're like, well, well, well so down Son so now,

443
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 3: But then you see them even in preseason, you're like,

444
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Speaker 3: holy crap, Like if all these guys and you add

445
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 3: check Holmgreen, like you said, but like Jill and Williams

446
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 3: could be about breakout guy for all we know. I

447
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 3: know he's still young, but we love his game obviously, giddy,

448
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 3: you know there is still do this and then Sga

449
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: as their superstar who might actually have worse numbers, but

450
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: that could be better for the team's success. So yeah,

451
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: they were a playing team, right, they're flirting with that.

452
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Speaker 3: Could they be a fifty win team? Could they be

453
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Speaker 3: possibly flirting with home court advantage in a first round

454
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Speaker 3: series if it all breaks right. They have the talent,

455
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: it's just like whether or not it's ready to go

456
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: right now and all clicks and Chad is sort of

457
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: the missing piece to take them to that sort of

458
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Speaker 3: fifty win level. I get why people are high on them.

459
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Speaker 3: It's almost like scares me a little bit that everybody's

460
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Speaker 3: like watch over the thunder, like they're gonna like go

461
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Speaker 3: They're gonna surprise a lot of people and go super deep.

462
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Speaker 3: But sometimes it does happen.

463
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Speaker 4: Fifty wins is a lot, though. I know two teams

464
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Speaker 4: in the Western Conference got fifty wins last year. One

465
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Speaker 4: was the Nuggets. Pencil then in for fifty wins. Yeah,

466
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: the Grizzlies got to fifty one. They're gonna be without

467
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Speaker 4: job for the first twenty five games, so they may

468
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Speaker 4: not get to fifty wins. The Kings won forty eight

469
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Speaker 4: last year. They could challenge. The Suner won forty five,

470
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Speaker 4: including a big trade for Kevin Durant. Obviously they've beefed

471
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Speaker 4: up their team. The Lakers punted away the first half

472
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Speaker 4: of the season when Westbrook was still in town. They

473
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Speaker 4: could challenge for fifty wins. It's just gonna be hard

474
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Speaker 4: to get to fifty wins for any of these teams.

475
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Speaker 3: Yeah, any other squads there on that list or maybe

476
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Speaker 3: not receiving a vote that you were like you could

477
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Speaker 3: see improving.

478
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Speaker 4: Well, I actually wanted to ask you, what do you

479
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Speaker 4: think about the MAVs People in the stream team are

480
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Speaker 4: saying the MAVs improved. Hell no, I mean they got better.

481
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Speaker 4: I do think they got better. They make more sense

482
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Speaker 4: as a team. Yeah, bringing in Grant Williams. They got Batman,

483
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Speaker 4: they got Batman good.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I mean depends how you feel about

485
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Speaker 3: Batman as a superhero. Um yeah, no, I wouldn't. I

486
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Speaker 3: would not be throwing them a vote for most improved

487
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Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, and to improve, I guess the idea is,

488
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Speaker 3: like you just said it, how are the gms looking

489
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Speaker 3: at this or answering it. It's like they didn't make

490
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Speaker 3: the play in that's embarrassing, Like like still we don't

491
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Speaker 3: like shit on them enough for like literally crapping the

492
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Speaker 3: bed and then leaning into like the tank a little

493
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Speaker 3: bit to keep the pick and all that. But so

494
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Speaker 3: maybe they're just like, well they should be a lot

495
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Speaker 3: better than that. They should be a playoff team. Yeah,

496
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: so that's an improvement. But maybe it's not like in

497
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 3: the win loss call them all that much. But now

498
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Speaker 3: like I wouldn't, I wouldn't have voted for them. The

499
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: thunder would have got my vote. I believe it. I

500
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: understand why they're doing it. Sure, the Rockets has a

501
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: really really bad team, should add a lot of wins

502
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Speaker 3: or more wins, but could still be bad, like you said,

503
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Speaker 3: and then I and then I can be talked in.

504
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Speaker 3: We do it every year. It feels like the last

505
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Speaker 3: five years, Hey are you Pistons or Magic? As the breakout?

506
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Speaker 3: This year? Which one are you? Which one are you?

507
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Speaker 3: Which one are you? We're always debating that what are you?

508
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm probably well, which one was I? Last year? I

509
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: think I went Pistons last year. Let me flip back

510
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Speaker 3: to the Magic this one choice. Okay, there you go,

511
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Speaker 3: but yeah, otherwise you said the Pacers got to vote

512
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Speaker 3: the Lakers, Pelicans, Jazz, Warriors. So it was sort of

513
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Speaker 3: spread out on that one final question. Here that a result.

514
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Speaker 3: I wanted to show everybody which team is the most

515
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Speaker 3: fun to watch? Thirty percent said the Nuggets, Warriors twenty

516
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: three percent. They led the way the year prior. See

517
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Speaker 3: there at the bottom. King's twenty percent of the vote.

518
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Speaker 3: So it's really a three way race, really Nuggets, Warriors, Kings,

519
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: and then some votes for the Suns and some other

520
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: teams there. But Trey Kirby, which team is going to

521
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: be the most fun to watch?

522
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Speaker 4: Who was at your votes. I don't want to vote

523
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Speaker 4: for the Kings again, but I think I probably would

524
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Speaker 4: vote for the Kings. They are just played so fast.

525
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: The offense was great. I think another the GM survey

526
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: questions was who runs the best offense? And Mike Brown

527
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: got it, which is pretty crazy if you think about

528
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Speaker 4: the way his career started and with the Lebron teams,

529
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Speaker 4: when they were like great on defense and just Lebron

530
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Speaker 4: carrying on offense. With the Lakers, they never figured it out.

531
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Speaker 4: But now suddenly he's the coach of like the highest

532
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Speaker 4: octane team in the league, at least last season. Maybe

533
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: the offensive raidings standings will change. They're just gonna be

534
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: fun to watch. They got a great environment. I assume

535
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Speaker 4: they're bringing the beam back. Oh god, you can't cancel

536
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Speaker 4: the beam after one season.

537
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Speaker 3: I hope not. I think they should make the beam

538
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Speaker 3: bigger or at another second beam.

539
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Speaker 4: Yeah, double beam, double beam at a beam every year

540
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Speaker 4: they make the playoffs. I really like that, so I

541
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Speaker 4: would have I think I would pick the Kings and

542
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: maybe would have the Warriors over the Nuggets. I don't know.

543
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: I think that's a that's a debatable one. The Nuggets

544
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 4: are really fun to watch, especially in the postseason, because

545
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: that's when Jamal Murray really turns it on and he

546
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: starts looking for his shot a lot more, which I

547
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 4: think increases their watchability. The team that's too high to me, though,

548
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 4: is the Suns. I feel like they're just gonna be

549
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 4: a take turns kind of team, which will be effective

550
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: because they've got great players taking turns, but I don't

551
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: necessarily know that it makes for the most fun watch.

552
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: Like the Heat weren't always the most fun watch when

553
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 4: it was Lebron and and Dean Wade. I literally almost said, Dwight.

554
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: Dwayne.

555
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Speaker 4: You know, I love Dwayne Wade and I also love

556
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: Dean Wade, but they weren't always the most fun team

557
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: to watch when they first got started. You know, Lebron

558
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 4: would kick it to the corner and Wade would be

559
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: cutting to the basket. They just hadn't figured everything out

560
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: yet because they don't know how to play necessarily with

561
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Speaker 4: each other.

562
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Speaker 3: So I think they're a little high. I mean, if

563
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 3: you like the mid range game, like the midrange game,

564
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: you see a lot of that from Booker, kd and

565
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: Beale and then and three pointers that they're generating too.

566
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Speaker 3: I mean I get why they're getting votes because I

567
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: think they're like, damn, good luck stopping that. Yeah, it

568
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: could be exactly scoring performances, you know, if Nurk is

569
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: doing all the dirty work that they're talking about, just

570
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: rebounding and setting screens and passing out of the high

571
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: posts and stuff like that could be fun. I get it.

572
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm probably voting Kings as well. Yeah, we

573
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: like offense here. I like somebody in the stream team

574
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: pointing out and I glad they got one vote. The

575
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: Pacers could be a very, very fun watch. If you

576
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: watched Halliburton during the Feeble World Cup, my god, anytime

577
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: he was on the floor, the team was much more

578
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: enjoyable to watch the pace they played at and how

579
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: he obviously just pushes the tempo and finds guys. So

580
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: I get that one. I like the Pacers as at

581
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: least a sneaky, fun league pass team.

582
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Speaker 4: That was my team that was too low for sure.

583
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Speaker 4: They were sixth in pace last season, and that was

584
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Speaker 4: with Haliburton missing the last chunk of the season. Because

585
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: when he plays man, they're just flying up and down

586
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: the court, which is perfect for a team named after cars.

587
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Speaker 3: That's a good call. All right. My final question with

588
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: all this GM survey stuff is are there any other

589
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: intriguing results to you that Shoe asked the question and

590
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: we got some surprising results. What do you got?

591
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Speaker 4: A couple of things really interested me. There's like a

592
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: who's the best player at position? For all of these

593
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: but you're eligible for multiple positions, so shuman includes highest

594
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: percentage of total votes on position questions who showed up

595
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: the most time? Sure, basically it goes Yiannis number one,

596
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: followed by Jokic, Curry, Booker, and then Luca and Jason

597
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 4: Tatum tied for fifth. Okay, do you think those are

598
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: the top six players in the league. I think you

599
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 4: would have to include Embiid. Embiid is like the notable

600
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: name that's missing here, But that's just because he and

601
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: Yokich are only showing up at centers, right, and people

602
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: are taking Jokic over Embiid despite how the MVP voting

603
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: went last year. But I think if you're talking top seven,

604
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 4: like throwing embid and those are the top seven.

605
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: Dudes, Yeah, it's pretty pretty damn close. Yeah, Luca is

606
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: a weird one, right when you get into these like

607
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: positional things, I think he was a top three player

608
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: at three different positions. Yeah, yeah, exactly, So the GMS

609
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 3: can't aside which position Luca plays. He received votes as

610
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: the best player at three different positions. He was second

611
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: most votes as the best point guard behind Steph Curry,

612
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: He was tied for the third most votes as the

613
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: best shooting guard behind Curry and leader in the shooting

614
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: guard position Devin Booker. And then he received the third

615
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: most votes as the best small forward behind Tatum and

616
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant. Again, this is Luca falling in the top

617
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: three point guard, shooting guard, and a small forward. Which

618
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: one do you consider him? Luca?

619
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I would have said point guard.

620
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: I say point guard.

621
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Speaker 4: I don't really how he plays with Kyrie guard? Yeah exactly.

622
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and then, like Curry is always a

623
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: weird one too. Yeah, it's like he is a point guard,

624
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: but I mean he's the greatest shooter of all time.

625
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: So you're like, well, then he's a shooting guard, is

626
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: he not? I know, none of this really matters, but

627
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: it is funny that he Luca is getting votes across

628
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: all three of those.

629
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: Ye anything else, which player is the best pure shooter?

630
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 4: Four players received votes. Steph Curry got ninety percent end

631
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: of the vote. Okay, makes sense. Kevin Durant got a vote.

632
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: He's pure.

633
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might had the best collection of shooting from

634
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: deep range to mid range game as well, So definitely

635
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: he gets a vote. Damian Lillard he got a vote. Yeah,

636
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: he's probably an even better deep, deep, deep three point

637
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: shooter than Steph Curry, at least by the numbers and

638
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: the numbers that he has made and all that kind

639
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: of stuff. And also Luke Canard got a vote the

640
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: Nard Dog, Like this is ridiculous. Who voted for Luke Canard?

641
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: He shot forty nine percent for three last year. That's pure,

642
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Speaker 4: that's what Luke is what. Yeah, I mean, but you

643
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Speaker 4: gotta be a crazy to make that pick. Yeah, you

644
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Speaker 4: got to be crazy to look at all the great

645
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: shooters in the league knowing Steph Curry is still playing

646
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: saying you know what I'm going Nard Dog here.

647
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, And like think about the shots that

648
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: the Nard Dog is taking compared to Steph Curry and

649
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: the attention on those two different players. But he is

650
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Speaker 3: a great shooter. Yeah, I mean, have we seen the

651
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: Nard Dog in a three point contest. Has he going

652
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: in it?

653
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Speaker 4: Probably he would have had to. He's been like top

654
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Speaker 4: of the league for a couple of seasons here.

655
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Speaker 3: Wonderfully hasn't won it. And I'm trying to like, maybe he's.

656
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: Got a good shot to win a three point contest,

657
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 4: like he's not a big jumper or anything like that.

658
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, uh, I'm surprised he has it

659
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: one way. I'm like, he's like Capono basically or something

660
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: like that. Get the get the nerd dog a three

661
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: point title? Yeah, that's ah, but that is a that's

662
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: a bit of a reach. Yes, despite his great shooting percentages.

663
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Speaker 4: But I do I don't know, Like when you're watching

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Speaker 4: all these games and you're watching league past, there are

665
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Speaker 4: certain guys where you're like, if they're open, you think

666
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Speaker 4: it's going in every single time. So if you're a

667
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Speaker 4: GM who's thinking of it in that way, you're like,

668
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: you're watching the league every single night, you see so

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Speaker 4: many people take wide open three pointers. Who's going in

670
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Speaker 4: the most? Maybe it's Luke Canard, but he's getting some

671
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Speaker 4: good looks compared to these other guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm sorry, I'm still taking Steph Curry in

673
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Speaker 3: any three point contest versus nerd Dog. I mean, I

674
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Speaker 3: mean I get in game action or not just in

675
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: an empty gym. I mean I'm taking him. But good stuff. Well,

676
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Speaker 3: let's hear from everybody out there. Schumann once again knock

677
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Speaker 3: this out of the park the NBA GM survey. What

678
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: other sort of responses from these guys surprised you when

679
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Speaker 3: you got there?

680
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Speaker 4: Luke Canard finished second in the three point go okay

681
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.

682
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Speaker 3: Twenty two, Yeah, okay, okay, so he was in it. Okay,

683
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Speaker 3: he's a shooter, Nard dogs do. Let's get to a

684
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Speaker 3: little is this news got some headlines for Trey Kirby

685
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Speaker 3: and for you podcast listeners and everybody joining us on

686
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Speaker 3: YouTube either live or later. Smash that like button. First

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Speaker 3: one is from the Athletic Great website. Go to the

688
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Speaker 3: Athletic dot com slash nodunks, get yourself a subscription. This headline, though,

689
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Speaker 3: I thought was from the Onion. I'm not kidding. NBA

690
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Speaker 3: says load management no longer supported by scientific data. Every

691
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Speaker 3: player should want to play eighty two games. And that

692
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Speaker 3: quote coming from Joe Dumars, I thought it was a joke.

693
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Speaker 3: I thought, why I was like, oh, this is a

694
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Speaker 3: pretty funny idea. Like, that's a great idea I wish

695
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Speaker 3: I tweeted that, No, this is real. New science just dropped. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you Joe Dumar's his sort of hefty

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Speaker 3: quote here on all this. He is the executive vice

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Speaker 3: president of basketball Operations for the NBA. He said, quote

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Speaker 3: before it was a given conclusion that the data showed

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Speaker 3: that you had to rest players a certain amount and

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Speaker 3: that justified them sitting out. We've gotten more data and

702
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: it just doesn't show that resting, sitting guys out correlates

703
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: with lack of injuries or fatigue or anything like that.

704
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Speaker 3: What it does show is maybe guys aren't as efficient

705
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Speaker 3: on the second night of a back to back. I'll

706
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Speaker 3: stop it there. He had more things to say, but

707
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Speaker 3: again that was Joe Dumars saying, whoops, I'm bad. The

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Speaker 3: data is wrong. And this load management that we've been

709
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Speaker 3: talking about for five years at least, I mean at

710
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Speaker 3: least the Kawhi Raptors run.

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Speaker 4: Used to be a joke. Remember when the Spurs rested

712
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Speaker 4: guys dnp Old Little did you know, Adam that it

713
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Speaker 4: was going to go this poorly? But man, the science.

714
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Speaker 4: That's crazy to me because the last time we heard

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Speaker 4: from Adam Silver, he's saying the data is inconclusive. But

716
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Speaker 4: they went back and did a couple more weeks of

717
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: research and guess what turns out every player should be

718
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Speaker 4: playing eighty two games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, why do you think they're saying this?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: What's the timing is a little intriguing, isn't it?

722
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Speaker 4: Is there like a TV deal coming off or something

723
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Speaker 4: like that. Are they trying to maybe talk to their

724
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: TV partners through the press here and saying, we're playing

725
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Speaker 4: making our players play in these games. So pony up boy,

726
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Speaker 4: because to me, the regular season has been devalued a

727
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Speaker 4: little bit, and everything we've seen from the NBA in

728
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Speaker 4: the past four months has been saying we're trying to

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Speaker 4: get players to care more about the regular season. They've

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Speaker 4: gon the sixty five games minimum for all of the awards,

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Speaker 4: they did the player participa player Participation Program protocols.

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Speaker 3: Who cares? There's a third P, this triple triple P.

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Speaker 4: They got the n Season tournament, and now this new

734
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Speaker 4: science report just dropped. Though I haven't seen it, Yes,

735
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Speaker 4: I know John Hollinger was looking for it. He hasn't

736
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Speaker 4: seen it. Hmm. Interesting, So it's a it's interesting because, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the league looked the other way with load management for

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Speaker 4: quite some time, and obviously now that they're going back

739
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Speaker 4: to the negotiating table, they're hitting it pretty hard on

740
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Speaker 4: the head right here, saying we're trying to get back

741
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Speaker 4: to an eighty two game schedule. Don't even talk to

742
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Speaker 4: me about shortening the season, and if it works, that

743
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: would be awesome because I would love to see the

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Speaker 4: best players play every single night as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny the timing of all this again because

746
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: as recently as last February, Commissioner Adam Silver he rejected

747
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: the notion that star players were missing too many games,

748
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: and he said there was real medical data and scientific

749
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 3: data about what's appropriate. Hold on, do you say data

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Speaker 3: or data? Which one do you do? I know I'm

751
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: are both good. I think I say data.

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Speaker 4: I'm like that.

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Speaker 3: It sounds weird every time I say it.

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Speaker 4: Anytime you said it, you said data. I know the

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Speaker 4: don data the new don dada dropped a.

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Speaker 3: Silver changed his tune in September when you already said it,

757
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: he said, frankly, the science is inconclusive. So that was like,

758
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: you know, half a year, he suddenly is changing his

759
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: sort of mind on how he feels about all of

760
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: this and star players missing games and whether it's good

761
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: or not for their health or whether it matters at all.

762
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: You said it. The NBA's current national TV deal with

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00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: ESPN and Turner expires after the twenty four to twenty

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00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: five season. That is next season, So that is not

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00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: far from now, and we're talking a deal currently that's

766
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Speaker 3: like twenty four billion over nine years. That's going up.

767
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: That's going up, And the last thing you want when

768
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: you're trying to negotiate is Turner, ESPN, Apple, Amazon, whoever

769
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: that's going to be in these meetings trying to get

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Speaker 3: a piece of the NBA saying well, yeah, yeah, yeah,

771
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: we're well we're gonna take a couple billion off here

772
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Speaker 3: because you guys don't play all those eighty two games.

773
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Speaker 3: The regular season is not all that important. Yeah, we

774
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Speaker 3: get it when he gets to the playoffs, but like, yeah,

775
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: that's what's going on here, and it's probably better. I mean,

776
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: we talk to casual fans all the time and there's

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00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: a perception then it's like, oh, yeah, season's too long.

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00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: We all agree on that. But that ain't changing. And

779
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: then because of that, well, these guys don't play, you know,

780
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 3: they play seventy percent of the games, and which sucks

781
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: for people going the games obviously where you're trying to

782
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: see the stars and the whole other part. The NBA

783
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: made this mess. They created this entire league on the

784
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: backs of their star players. That's their entire marketing. It worked,

785
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: but then you need those guys to play when you

786
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: go to the opposing arenas and you're on the big

787
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: national televised games. That's how you built it. And then

788
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: if that's the case, you got to continue to obviously

789
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: showcase these guys and they got to be out there,

790
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: you know, barring injury where it's actually a legit injury,

791
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: but you can't be a rest situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I remember Silver talking over the summer

793
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: saying kind of like it's become sort of a status

794
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 4: in the NBA to be good enough on your own

795
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: team that they'll restue you, even though you know you're

796
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: like twenty four years old and you could obviously play

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00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: all of these different seasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll see what the effects are, but at

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Speaker 4: least the messaging right now is them saying, hey, take

801
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: the right season a little bit more seriously, because last

802
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: year kind of did feel like a tipping point with

803
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: two teams that made the the play in tournament went

804
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: to the conference finals, the Lakers dead then obviously the

805
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: Heat went to the actual finals. We saw the Bucks

806
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: have the most wins in the Eastern Conference, but that

807
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 4: didn't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: When it came playoff time.

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00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 4: So it already feels like the regular season and the

810
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: postseason are completely different games. And that's just weird, Like

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Speaker 4: it just shouldn't be like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I'd like to like hammer home this point because

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Speaker 3: I know we've said it before when I say, like

814
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: Joe Dumars and Silver and the league is trying to say, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we got to start taking the regular season more seriously

816
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: and we got to play more games. I don't mean

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00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: like I'm not shitting on the players, because I actually

818
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: truly believe it's not generally the players saying eh, I'm tired,

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00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to play. I don't really buy it

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Speaker 3: at all. It's the teams they're trying to protect, you know,

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00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: their quote unquote assets. They're superstar players, they had data

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00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: that backed it up. I don't know, maybe it doesn't

823
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: check out now, but that's why it's like they're telling

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00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: the teams this. They're telling the yes, the coaches and

825
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: the staff like, come on, this has to mean more.

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Speaker 3: We have to take this more seriously. Hence this, you know,

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Speaker 3: in season, tournament and all that. It's not the players.

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Speaker 3: I really maybe they're a handful out there. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think it's a majority of them. They

830
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: want to play it. They're hoopers. Yeah, So it's the

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Speaker 3: teams that are being told, let's go, let's go here.

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00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: So look, it's a culture shift and and we'll see

833
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: how it goes. Our next headline, also from the Athletic

834
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Speaker 3: This is from a couple of days ago. The Celtics

835
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: extend Peyton Pritchard with a four year, thirty million dollar contract.

836
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: Here's another peepee for you, Peton Pritchard payday. What do

837
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: you think about this? Is this news? Yes? I mean

838
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: good for him.

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Speaker 4: The guy made a trade request last year because he

840
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: was basically buried on the Celtics bench. But they made

841
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: so many moves over the offseason, sending out two point

842
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: guards in Marcus Smart and Malcolm Brogden. Only one came

843
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: back and Drew Holliday, So there's a little bit more opportunity,

844
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: which is all fast Pep was looking for. Now he's

845
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: going to have an opportunity as one of their key

846
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: reserve guards. I do believe they'll probably want to pace

847
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: Drew Holliday over the course of a season. Being a

848
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: little bit older than some of the other players on

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00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: the Celtics, they want him fresh for the playoffs. Peyton

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Speaker 4: Pritchard did not have a great run in the postseason,

851
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: but I think he can be helpful during the regular

852
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 4: season when you need everybody on your team to show

853
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 4: up and play, because even if we're not resting dudes,

854
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: there's still gonna be times when you need the deeper

855
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 4: guys on your bench. He's a good three point shooter,

856
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: he can handle and make some plays here and there.

857
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: So I think a good deal.

858
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: But man, forty million dollars get you a Peyton Pritchard

859
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: these days, that's pretty crazy. Yeah.

860
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: Thirty million, Yeah, it's very very affordable. I mean, both

861
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: the Celtics and Pritchard actually have some flexibility and of

862
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: course then security in Pritchard's case. In this deal, I

863
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: think it's a good, fair deal. It's almost sort of

864
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: shocking to me that it happened. You know, here in

865
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: the preseason, he looks solid in the preseason. You know

866
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: he's balling right now and he has like, look, he

867
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: wasn't playing huge minutes, but he's appeared in nearly forty

868
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: playoff games for Boston over three seasons already. He's been

869
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: there for a while. I mean they've made long, deep runs,

870
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: so you know there's some experience there. And yeah, he's

871
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: gonna be He's going to be a key player on

872
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: a team that got much more shoool and went like

873
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: all in on sort of top end talent Andrew Holiday

874
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: and Porzingis that means there's a role for him now.

875
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: And yeah he was complaining last year, get me out

876
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: of here, I'm not getting burn and now you will.

877
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think this makes sense. Some people

878
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: were like they just don't think Peyton Pritchard's that good,

879
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: and they think they think four years, thirty million is

880
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: too much for a guy like him that you could

881
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: probably like find somewhere else. I don't know how many

882
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: times people that are saying that are like actually watching

883
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: him and what he can do. You can shoot and

884
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: you can create a little bit like you said. So

885
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: this makes sense to me, and.

886
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: I think a pretty good point by JJ here in

887
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: the stream team tradable contract, which is gonna be important

888
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: as we go forward into the second apron era.

889
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, next headline, keep it moving here. Had to get

890
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: your take on this one. This one, I will admit

891
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: this headline. It's stale. Okay, it's like a week old

892
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: at this point, but we were gone a lot of

893
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: the week. ESPN has the headline Jowell Embiid to represent

894
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: Team USA at the twenty twenty four Paras Olympics. He

895
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: made his decision. You are saluting him. Herochy podcasts. Wow,

896
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: it's come to this. You had to get dwell and

897
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: bid you how to recruit these days skates to battle

898
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: Kelly olynok and Dwight Powell.

899
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: Damno, I don't think that's who they're concerned about. I

900
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: think it's that guy from Serbia, Nikole Jokich. The Tmusa

901
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: needed a center, and maybe it would have been a

902
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: different choice for Joel Embiid had Team USA won the

903
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: Feeble World Cup. But similar to the Warriors losing the

904
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen finals, which opened the door for Kevin Durant,

905
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: Team USA losing in the World Cup opened the door

906
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: for Joel Embiid to be like, hey, hey, y'all need me,

907
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: You actually do need me. I can go here and

908
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 4: have his best chance at a championship. Ye at least

909
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: at least in the twenty twenty four calendar year. I

910
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: do believe. So yeah, I mean, we've seen a lot

911
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: of commitments to Team USA. We'll see what who's healthy

912
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: at the end of the season, who's still going to

913
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: be involved. But getting Embiid going into a tournament where

914
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: Yo kich is gonna be playing, Giannis will likely be

915
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: back as well, Team USA absolutely needed a big guy,

916
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: so they got a very big one and Embiid, you know,

917
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: like a like a guy at a high school deciding

918
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: which college he was going to.

919
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: I wish he had three hats like that, you know,

920
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: the French national hat in USA and then Cameroon he

921
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: could play for of course as well, and then he

922
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: put on the hat. I wish we saw that. But

923
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: this is big. This really is truly big. If you

924
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: care about international basketball and the Olympics, which Sikos do,

925
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: it's a huge get. They're already gonna there. Team's gonna

926
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: be ten times better with all the guys that are

927
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: saying they're in be it Kurry and Lebron and stuff

928
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: like that. Now you get to all Embiid, but they

929
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: need them if they run into a Serbian team with

930
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Yo Kitcher stuff like that.

931
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: So definitely be a different style of play for Team USA.

932
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: They're big guys. Over the past, basically since two thousand

933
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 4: and eight, have generally been smaller guys like it could

934
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: be Chris Bosh, it could be Bam out of Bio,

935
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: it was Draymond. Guys who are great defenders, switchy defenders,

936
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: get the ball off the rim and bring it up court.

937
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: That's not Embiid's game. That guy's gonna be in the

938
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: high post a lot. He's gonna be in the low

939
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: post a lot. There's more post opportunities scoring I think

940
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: in FOBA tournaments, so that will be helpful. But it's

941
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: definitely gonna be different than Tim has been playing and

942
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: how Steve Kerr teams have been playing. Like, yeah, he's

943
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 4: never had a post up guy like Joel Embiid on

944
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: any of the teams he's coached.

945
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: I do like this comment from Tom Izzo here in

946
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: the stream team betting on EMBIID, what could go wrong?

947
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: Tom Izzo was watching.

948
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: That's right, Thanks man, Thanks Tom. But Paul Counters and

949
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: Bide will have a lot of scapegoats if the US

950
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: fall in the Olympics, So maybe one well EMBIID once

951
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: they lose once again to Team Canada. Oh man, it's

952
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: gonna be tough.

953
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: I hate this, man, I gotta keep I hate it.

954
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: I hate it like I never did I think that

955
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 4: tam Usa would lose the Canada, even though I knew

956
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: it was a possibility even going into this feeble World Cup.

957
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: But now that it's happened, I gotta live with it

958
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 4: for a year and I gotta be throwing my lot

959
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: in with Joel and Mam. Tough times, tough times.

960
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: We had some podcasts like I'm saying ten years ago.

961
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: I think it was on a podcast. It may have

962
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: been off, but we had like a we had like

963
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 3: almost a bet. I was like in my lifetime while

964
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: working with you, Team Canadon's gonna beat Team A saying

965
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: you were like, hell, no, ay, ever gonna happen. And it,

966
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, World Cup a little different than the Olympics.

967
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: Not your best team, but come on, you're still Team

968
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: America here and you lost. I can't believe it. I

969
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: mean even I was shocked. Even I was shocked.

970
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 4: Hurts four got place. They don't even give you anything

971
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: for that.

972
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you just get you know, embarrassed by me.

973
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: On every second podcast I pointed, I pointed it out.

974
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: I think on the last three podcasts. Uh final headline,

975
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: this one's a wild one. NBA dot com Hornet's Wave,

976
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: former first round pick Kai Jones is this news?

977
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: This is news because uh, he's made it news. I

978
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 4: guess like this is honestly sad to me. Kai Jones

979
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: feels like he's tweeting and instagramming his way out of

980
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: the NBA, basically trash talking his own players, making trade class,

981
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: calling himself the goat. Maybe he is more talented or

982
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: more skilled than like Mark Williams and Nick Richards, but

983
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: being a teammate is also a huge part of being

984
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 4: on an NBA team, and you're not that good to

985
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: be trash talking all these kinds of guys. So hopefully

986
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 4: he gets the support he needs because this does not

987
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 4: feel like he's totally making the right choices here.

988
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think we'll see Kai Jones in a

989
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 3: NBA uniform.

990
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 4: Probably, I mean probably at some point. He's young enough

991
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: right now and he's still athletic enough that some team

992
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: will take him on as a distressed asset at some point.

993
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: But it could be a couple of years, it could

994
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: be some time. It could be the middle of the

995
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: season or something like that. But that's the thing. It's like,

996
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 4: he's not that good to be talking like this because teams,

997
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 4: we'll just cut bait, no problem.

998
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, Look, I don't know him personally,

999
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: it feels like he might need some help because that like,

1000
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 3: on one hand, when you're seeing these posts and stuff,

1001
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: you're like, I guess. You're like, oh, that's weird or funny,

1002
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: I guess. But then you're like, oh, he's still doing it.

1003
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: He's doubling down, it's getting a little louder, and you're like,

1004
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: there's something off here, Like he doesn't truly believe this,

1005
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: does he. So yeah, hopefully he gets the I mean, look,

1006
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: I say, hopefully gets the help he needs. You'd like

1007
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: to see him back in the League's a talented guy. He

1008
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: was a first round pick for crying out loud in

1009
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: the toughest league in the world, but very strange how

1010
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: this went down with him. Look in other weird shitty

1011
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: Hornets news, I guess speaking of Hornets who desperately need help.

1012
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: Here there's a criminal summons out from Miles Bridges for

1013
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: violating a domestic violence protective order, misdemeanor child abuse, and

1014
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: injury to personal property. Bridges allegedly threw billiard balls at

1015
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: his ex girlfriend's car, damage the windshield. Kids were in

1016
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 3: the car. That's a child abuse charge. During this exchange,

1017
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: rent and heard out, you know, with whole child support

1018
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: take everything from her. I know he's doing court on

1019
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: November thirteenth, but you know this guy talk about needing help,

1020
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: and like the Hornets need to I think they need

1021
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: to make a decision here very quickly.

1022
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: Yes, because I mean it was ridiculous that they gave

1023
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: him a contract in the first place. It was ridiculous

1024
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: that the league suspended him for a total of ten games,

1025
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 4: and it's ridiculous the way he has been acting since.

1026
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: And I mean similar to Kevin Porter Junior. He's still

1027
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: on the Rockets right now, Like, let's get him out

1028
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: of here.

1029
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point. So, yeah, let to start

1030
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: to the Hornets season once again. Here I'm like, no, go,

1031
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: all right, let's uh, let's change the mood in here.

1032
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: Let's get to tweet of the night.

1033
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Tweet of the night.

1034
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I've got a few tweets for you.

1035
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: I thought both were too good to only pick one.

1036
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: First one, we teased it off the top. Channing Fry,

1037
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: our former colleague there at NBA TV. He had a

1038
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: lot to say in this tweet quote. I'm on a

1039
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: flight back from Atlanta and I say to myself, watch

1040
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: the Blue Beetle movie. When I tell you it was

1041
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: the top three worst fucking movies I have ever seen

1042
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: in my life. It's no exaggeration. I could film my

1043
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: dog shitting with the budget it probably costs, and it

1044
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: would be better. Rhino turd movie, Rhino turd movie, Blue

1045
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: Beetle superhero movie. JD. You're usually the expert when it

1046
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: comes to this. I don't know how much you know

1047
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 3: about the Blue Beetle, but yeah, literally, you haven't seen it.

1048
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: Has anybody seen it here? I guess not. I haven't

1049
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: seen this rhino turd. I was like, how bad is this?

1050
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: But like Run and Tomatoes, it's a like over ninety

1051
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: percent audience. Okay, whatever, And then like the critics don't

1052
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: mind it. Yeah, so I'm confused here.

1053
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: My perception is that it's just a nice little superhero movie.

1054
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: It's something to take the kids too.

1055
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: Sure, that's it.

1056
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what else to say.

1057
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: Like, maybe it was the format. You know, I know

1058
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: this was released an IMAX, but if you're watching it

1059
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: on an airplane, Blue Beetle isn't meant to be seen

1060
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: like that.

1061
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: It's on a tiny screen.

1062
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was gonna get upset with you, Trey

1063
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: and Skates for watching the Mutant Ninja Turtles on the plane,

1064
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: Like I A, you know, we were talking about it

1065
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: in New York and I'm like, I'm not watching that

1066
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: on a plane. I'm watching it at least four K

1067
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: on my home screen with the cranked you know.

1068
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: Hear music. Awesome, Yeah, it sound tracks.

1069
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to rewatch it because I thought the

1070
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: the mix on the plane was crazy. I was feeling

1071
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: like JD listening with my ears. I was like, I

1072
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: could barely hear this dialogue.

1073
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: Do they say col buggets because you were in the

1074
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: back of the plane with the turns at the back.

1075
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: Of the plane.

1076
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: I told you guys when we were in New York.

1077
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: I did see the craziest thing, full grown man watching

1078
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 4: Angels in the outfield.

1079
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: The plane like I'm thirty year old movie?

1080
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: What Danny Glover's up to, Joseph Gordon Levitt?

1081
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: Is that weirder than a full grown Aussie watching missus

1082
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: Dote fire on the plane every time he flies.

1083
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: No, it's not. I don't I don't think. I mean,

1084
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: that's just comfort movie. Maybe he doesn't like to fly.

1085
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: Maybe he loved that movie as a child.

1086
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: Who don't fire, or Angels in the other Angels.

1087
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: It's also, you know, baseball playoffs are happening at point.

1088
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, well you want sort of a

1089
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: sort of a theory. Is it possible that Channing Fry

1090
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: was accidentally watching a Sventura two, hence the Rhino turd

1091
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: Greatest Rhino? Is it possible? I mean it might be.

1092
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: For all you podcast listeners were showing an incredible still

1093
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 3: of Jim Carrey coming out of the ass of.

1094
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: A you know, an animatronic right, Yes, it is the

1095
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: Trojan Horse Rhino he was in. I know that entertainment

1096
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 4: was different on airplanes back when ace Ventura too, when

1097
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: they calls came out can you imagine sitting next to

1098
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 4: somebody watching that scene on an airplane? Man, like, what

1099
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 4: what are you doing over there? His face through that

1100
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: guy was like the highest paid movie star in the

1101
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 4: world doing that.

1102
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: That's amazing. It's a good point. It's a good point.

1103
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 4: What are what are the three worst movies you've ever

1104
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: seen in your life?

1105
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean I've said it before. The only movie

1106
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: I've ever walked out of the theater for was the

1107
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: Nick Cage Ambulance movie.

1108
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, okay, yeah.

1109
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: I was not in the right headspace for that movie,

1110
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: and so for me, it's always been one of the

1111
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: worst movies ever, even though I think some people do

1112
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: like it. I mean it's Martin's course hazy, right, Yeah, yeah,

1113
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: I hated it. To get up and walk out. I

1114
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: can't believe I did that. It's something I just don't do.

1115
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: So that comes to top of my mind.

1116
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: What about I've only ever walked out of one movie

1117
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: as well, The Libertine starring Johnny Depp.

1118
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never even heard of that. It was dumb.

1119
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: It was, it was so dumb.

1120
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I walked out of that, and so

1121
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: that's high on my list. Uh, there was a movie

1122
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 4: I watched when I was a kid on VHS called

1123
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 4: My Boyfriend's Back and it's like about a zombie boyfriend

1124
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: who comes back. And that was a dumb, dumb movie.

1125
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: And then The Happening starring Mark Wahlberg, an m Night

1126
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: Shyamalan movie, which was one of that was a big

1127
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 4: rhino turd but funny, hilarious. Yea, a hilarious rhino of

1128
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: a movie.

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00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: JD got any rhino turd movies.

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00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've walked out of three movies in my life. Actually,

1131
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: Terminator one, that's a shock fucking hated it. It was

1132
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: also the first movie we like, Lincoln had just been born,

1133
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: and it was like we're going out, let's go see

1134
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: this movie Transformers, Like why okay, because it was the

1135
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: biggest movie happening, so we went to see him, like

1136
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: hold on, Transformers, okay, Sorry, my bad, my bad, My bad,

1137
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: my bad. I was thinking Terminator because the other movie

1138
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: is an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie called The Eraser. Oh yeah,

1139
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: I walked I saw that by myself. I walked out

1140
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: in the middle of the climax of the movie, like

1141
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: it was just like, you know what, I've had enough

1142
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: of this and the other one. The most controversial one

1143
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: is is big Fish walked Out?

1144
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: I forgot about big Fish.

1145
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: Very controversial. I hated it. Hate it because then you

1146
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: told somebody in college like we were. I can picture

1147
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: us standing in the lab and us talking about this

1148
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: movie and you just shitting you. It is the worst, dumbest.

1149
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: With Mattio Madeo. When I were agreeing, and.

1150
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: Then someone there was like, that's my favorite movie of

1151
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 3: all time. It makes my father or something.

1152
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: And we're like rolling our eyes and he's like, well,

1153
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: is your father still alive?

1154
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 3: It was okay, I'm gonna go to the cafeteria.

1155
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I can't believe I said terminator

1156
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: when there's no way.

1157
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1158
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: I was like, that's why we reacted trans.

1159
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: Transformers the first one, and I haven't actually seen another

1160
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: one since.

1161
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 4: They've made so many.

1162
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: It's like seat, oh they're so tedious, man, Oh my god. Anyways,

1163
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: that's it.

1164
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: Okay, we have one more towet here. Let's slip it

1165
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 3: in here from Rohan. This did not make the story,

1166
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: but I asked Jimmy Butler if he would be willing

1167
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: to give up coffee for a year in exchange for

1168
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 3: an NBA title, and this was his response.

1169
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 4: Hell no, he's going stone cold stone cold brew.

1170
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler would not give up coffee for a year

1171
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 3: in exchange for an NBA title.

1172
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: Are you surprised by that? I don't think so. Yeah,

1173
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 4: because I think Jimmy's saying I'm gonna win.

1174
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: ANBA That's exactly That's how I look at coffee. He's like,

1175
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: why would I give up coffee? In my head, I'm

1176
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: winning a anyway. But I mean this is like a

1177
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: it is a little bit like it's a you know,

1178
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: the genie with the wish here Jimmy. It's like, Okay,

1179
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 3: you can win a title. I'm telling you can win

1180
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: a title this coming season. You just can't drink your

1181
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 3: big face coffee for a year. You can didn't drinking

1182
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: it after that. That's the crazy part to me. It's like,

1183
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: should be coffee for life? Yeah, like if you were

1184
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: a big coffee fan like he obviously is. But it's

1185
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: for a year.

1186
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: Simple.

1187
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I think he should think

1188
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: he should reconsider.

1189
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: What if the coffee is holding him back? Like, oh wow,

1190
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: caffeine is just it's just does what the.

1191
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: Data say on this silver. Let's get to the last

1192
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: guys are drinking too much coffee? Yeah, yeah, you never

1193
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: know that data or all right, great tweets x X

1194
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: is making I got x as my breakout social media platform.

1195
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: Really wow, not a lot of votes. Yeah, it's coming

1196
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: in with three this year.

1197
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Schumann, you know, I love the GM survey consult

1198
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: with us to throw in one or two just insane

1199
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: questions to the GM, like what's your favorite social media

1200
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: like something insane, just to see what they.

1201
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 4: Fashion trend this year. Yeah, right, like a mock turtle

1202
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 4: next one hundred percent of the vote every year.

1203
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: I think there's something there. There's one silly question to

1204
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: keep them on their toes. I'll tell you what I

1205
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: really liked. A nice touch by Schumann. They asked the question,

1206
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: who will be the top the best player in five

1207
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: years from this rookie class? Yeah, and he includes who

1208
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: won the vote from that rookie class five years ago?

1209
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: So twenty eighteen, it was a split vote between DeAndre

1210
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: Ayton and Jared Jackson Junior. Two whiffs for the nbagms

1211
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: there because right now it's Luka Dondrich. Yeah yeah, well okay,

1212
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: and who did they ultimately go they went, You'll never guess. Yeah,

1213
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: all votes.

1214
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: I think he got ninety percent of it?

1215
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: Does sound right? Who got it? Did Check get a

1216
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 3: vote because he's scoot? Maybe I don't remember.

1217
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: I definitely know that Wemby got ninety percent of the vote,

1218
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: and if I'm not mistaken, that was higher than Lebron

1219
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 4: got his rookie season. I think he got eighty one

1220
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: percent of the vote back in three. That was a

1221
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: great draft class. So you know, people were probably talking

1222
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: themselves into Carmelo or Dwayne Wade as well. No votes

1223
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: for Dan Wade. I don't think you watch wemban chet highlights.

1224
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 3: I did. I did. That was it was fun? These

1225
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: cool it was. It was a lot of fun. You

1226
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: just start to go, like, my mind immediately goes to, like,

1227
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: give the NBA ten years and the entire NBA is

1228
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 3: gonna be all seven foot guys that can do absolutely everything.

1229
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: There'll be no small guys anymore. Yeah, I mean, I'm like,

1230
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: is there enough tall people in the world seven plus

1231
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: that we can teach baskt I mean.

1232
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: And they all have to be very skinny and have

1233
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 4: some guard skills. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like,

1234
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: if you went back thirty years and you PLoP Zach

1235
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: Collins in the league. People like, this guy's a unicorn,

1236
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: gow fast and athletic. He is at six eleven, and

1237
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: then he looks tiny compared to both Chet and Victor.

1238
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: But man, the fact that these two are like gonna

1239
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: be matching up four times a year for at least

1240
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: the first what seven years of their career. We'll see

1241
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: where things take them eventually, but that's exciting, man, seeing

1242
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 4: these two guys obviously like caring about going against each other,

1243
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 4: and just like Magic versus Bird, they have history dating

1244
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 4: back to their amateur years even before they got to

1245
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: the NBA. That was a preseason game. I don't really

1246
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: watch preseason games, but I've whiped at leastee the highlights.

1247
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's generally my rule tool. I'm not sitting down

1248
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: to watch an entire preseason game. We have too much

1249
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: basketball coming up that games actually matter or hopefully matter

1250
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: more obviously, but the highlights, that's what I mean. You

1251
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: start getting pumped and you start like, well, like not

1252
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: even just Chet versus Wenby, but like we talked about

1253
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: like Jell and Williams on the Thunder and how they

1254
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: looked and a couple other guys. Scoot looked great and

1255
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: just so confident out there, and You're like, yeah, you're like,

1256
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: all right, here we go. So it's right around the corner.

1257
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: Just to tie all of this together, here's a question.

1258
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: We got to ask the gms, what's the biggest rhino

1259
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: turd movie of the year. See what they say. Leave

1260
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: it open for interpretation, and maybe Schumann can get that

1261
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: in next year's NBA GM survey. Okay, let's call it there.

1262
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: The boys are back. Like I said, come Monday, we're

1263
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: gonna kick off our season preview series doing deep dives

1264
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: on a lot of the teams. We'll do over unders,

1265
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: like we got a lot in store, make some predictions

1266
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: when it comes to awards. I mean, we're basically gonna

1267
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: be doing our own GM survey, you and me all

1268
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: the stuff we're gonna be trying to predict here. So

1269
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: that'll be next week ten o'clock am, live from the

1270
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: Classic Factory all week long, and then the week after

1271
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: that the season basically starts. Can't wait, so join us subscribe, Like,

1272
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1273
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Speaker 3: star rating and review and share the show. Tell your

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Speaker 3: NBA fans are friends about this show. Later today, if

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Speaker 3: you're a Survivor fan, we're still here. I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna fire up some lunch. I got some mashed potatoes.

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Speaker 3: That's it, just mashed potatoes.

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Speaker 4: Kidding, guys, going close encounters up the third time, Psycho.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat some lunch, and we're gonna still be

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Speaker 3: here in the Classic Factory at one pm Eastern to

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Speaker 3: recap this week's Survivor episode, which was a banger an

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Speaker 3: incredible ending to the episode, So Jad, myself and Trey

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Speaker 3: will be talking about this. Esh won't be with us

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Speaker 3: because that guy just had a nam. Yes, congrats to

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Speaker 3: Esh and his wife on their fourth child. Wow, new

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Speaker 3: kid kid, no doubt my goodness, So congrats to them.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's happy and healthy. So it'll just be the three

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Speaker 3: of us here talking about Survivor. No Buffs has its

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Speaker 3: own YouTube feeds on podcast feeds, so we'll see you

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Speaker 3: over there until then, or if you're just an NBA

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Speaker 3: fan until Monday. Clipper bros.

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Speaker 4: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 4: Love you guys awesome, Thanks for joining us, and remember

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Speaker 4: the best Jim Carrey movie I've seen recently is the

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Speaker 4: clip of him on stage with fifty cent when in

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Speaker 4: the club was really popular. And you know, fifty is

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Speaker 4: doing his thing performing the song, and Jim Carrey is

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Speaker 4: acting exactly like you would expect Jim Carrey to be doing,

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Speaker 4: just like shaking his head around all crazy. Why are

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Speaker 4: they on stage together? It was two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 4: Embrace the day, people,