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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in to the all New All Ball. I'm

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb, your host with the most. John Rostein has

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Speaker 1: his own podcast. He's a college basketball maybe an. He

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Speaker 1: breaks stories, he knows coaches, he sends texts and tweets

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Speaker 1: and whatever. He's gonna join us. We'll talk about some

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Speaker 1: of these college basketball bubbles. We'll all stuck some food

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Speaker 1: with him. How he got in the industry. Gonna be

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Speaker 1: a great, gonna be great. I think you'll love it.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the NBA. The season's over, Lebron

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Speaker 1: c a term before. We all want the upset until

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Speaker 1: the Cinderella gets advanced, like Peter Principal right where you

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Speaker 1: get advanced past the level of your competency. And that's

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Speaker 1: what's happened with in the Miami Heat combined with now

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Speaker 1: some injuries. Does that take away from Lebron and the

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Speaker 1: Lakers winning the title? No, but you can't. Here's I

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Speaker 1: like Kingruent arguments. Don't you sure? Okay? So here's the

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Speaker 1: Kingruent argument. Remember when the Warriors won their first NBA title.

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Speaker 1: It's still pisses them off to this day. That everybody

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Speaker 1: was missing their starting point guard. I think they started

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Speaker 1: Then they played Portland's and Portland didn't have Damian Lillard.

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Speaker 1: And then they played um and I may have the

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Speaker 1: course they played the Calves, and the Calves had Kyrie

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Speaker 1: for one game, but not the overtime when he got

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Speaker 1: they yes, they won, and they won the first title,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't play anybody at full strength, and so

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of mental asterisk there. The same

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Speaker 1: thing can be said for the Lakers. You know, yes

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win a title. Yes, it's gonna be unbelievable

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Speaker 1: for Lebron James. And they did so in the bubble

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Speaker 1: when other teams like the Clippers just kind of shrunk

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Speaker 1: the bubble. That said, they didn't have to play the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: who matched up perfectly with and they were, you know,

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Speaker 1: a play here or there against against the Nuggets. From

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Speaker 1: playing against the Lakers. They also got a couple of

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Speaker 1: extra days off because of the protests after what happened

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Speaker 1: like that really helped them. They were on fumes, not

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Speaker 1: And Lebron really took the reins of being a complete

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets came off of seven game series. A matter

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets came off of back to back seven game series.

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Speaker 1: They had to come from three games to one downs

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Speaker 1: and so the Lakers eviscerated them. So their road wasn't

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Speaker 1: without Gore and Drogets. And you're not playing the Miami Heat,

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Speaker 1: you're not playing the Boston Celtics, you're not even playing

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Speaker 1: the culture of the Toronto Raptors, of the talent of

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets, though they came and competed in the bubble,

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Speaker 1: they had four starters that stayed home, including Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: I mean, Katie has been out longer with this injury

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Speaker 1: sure Kyrie could have played, they just chose to not

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Speaker 1: They have played teams coming off of seven game series

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Speaker 1: taken care business. On the other hand, we shouldn't take

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Speaker 1: talking about? Like Kyrie Irving is so arrogant. He's one

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Speaker 1: there's so many things that I still don't know when

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Speaker 1: I learned every day. Yes, Kyrie, and he's got He's

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Speaker 1: because I grew up in a coaching household that I

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Speaker 1: understand that. But the idea that what's a collaborative effort,

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Speaker 1: that's what everybody says. That's like everybody, every every boss

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Speaker 1: Everything's a collaborative effort. That's true. But there's only one

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Speaker 1: boss at some point time, somebody's got to make a decision.

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Speaker 1: At some point times, somebody's got to call the play.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hey, I hear you, but this is what

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Speaker 1: explain why I just because I you know, it's because

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Speaker 1: This is what it's like to raise kids these days.

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Speaker 1: and every once in a while you have to go like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I hear you, but guess what, We're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: my way because I said so. I don't have time

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Speaker 1: do it the right do it, do it the long way.

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Speaker 1: Why it's a hard way you do. You're never gonna

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Speaker 1: use this again. You're not wrong. But there is something

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Speaker 1: I know that Steve Nash is smarty comes since his look,

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Speaker 1: I'm the head coach in name only, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: we're all gonna work together. That's great, But guess what

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Speaker 1: when they come over to the sideline during a time out,

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Speaker 1: a thirty second time out in the NBA playoffs, there's

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Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be Kyrie Irving. It's not gonna

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Speaker 1: thing that matters is people that matter, and in this case,

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Speaker 1: will it work? Of course? Not? All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: you my man, John ROSTI be sure to catch the

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Speaker 1: He's John Rothstein joins us. Uh, John, how many days

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Speaker 1: great thing. Keep the positive energy going. Okay, so so,

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Speaker 1: but but what is it going to look like? Right?

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Speaker 1: tournaments and I'm following you on Twitter where you're trying

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Speaker 1: to update schedules Washington States trying to host an MTE Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: so what what is it? Basically, teams are gonna go

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Speaker 1: regular early season tournaments. Those tournaments and their fields are

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Speaker 1: we have also seen one other marriage of successful partnerships

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Speaker 1: the smoke now on Showtime called Stuff. So everything is

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Speaker 1: in a hub on this one website, College Hoops Today

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Okay, so let's let's get into college basketball.

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Speaker 1: Last year, we didn't have a tournament, So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just weird, right, Like it was a weird

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Speaker 1: year because there was no super team. There's some really

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Speaker 1: really good teams. There was no super team this year.

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Speaker 1: You still have the Kansas thing hanging out there, right.

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Speaker 1: They could have been the best team last year and

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Speaker 1: they were gonna play in the tournament. This year they

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Speaker 1: may not play, but they also may not have the

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Speaker 1: team they had last They won't have the team they

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Speaker 1: had last year. Um, will this year have a super team?

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Speaker 1: To that standing question, I think there is. I think

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to see super teams emerge because so many

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Speaker 1: great players came back for college basketball last year that

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Speaker 1: would have tested the NBA. But I do think what

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Speaker 1: that said, there might be more of a competitive balance

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Speaker 1: than there was a year ago when when like kind

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Speaker 1: of Kansas and Baylor separated from the pack and zag

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Speaker 1: as well towards the end of the season because so

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Speaker 1: many players did come back. And I think the perfect

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Speaker 1: answer to that question, Doug in, the perfect way to

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Speaker 1: start kind of this route of the conversation is to

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Speaker 1: look at the Big Ten. The Big Ten last year

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Speaker 1: was going to get ten teams in the n C

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Speaker 1: Double A Tournament. The league is deeper this year because

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Speaker 1: of the reinforcements at the bottom. Northwestern has added a

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Speaker 1: potential starter from William and Mary a transfer by the

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Speaker 1: name of Saw Beech. Nebraska has recalibrated their roster. They're

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Speaker 1: still waiting on a waiver for Trey McGown, somebody who

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Speaker 1: started for Pitt last year. So the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten is obviously going to be very strong, stronger

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Speaker 1: than was a year ago. That doesn't mean the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten will get more teams in the tournament. Now you

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Speaker 1: look at the top of the Big Ten. Luca Garza

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Speaker 1: comes back for Iowa. They also get Jordan Bohan and

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Speaker 1: back then Illinois with the Schumo and colburn Back has

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Speaker 1: everything a line of its best team since they went

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Speaker 1: in the national championship game in two thousand five. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: talking about Wisconsin. Does they win the Big Ten regular

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Speaker 1: season title last year. They're going to start five seniors,

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Speaker 1: including three fifth year seniors. That is unheard of in

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Speaker 1: college basketball in and beyond that, you've got Michigan State

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Speaker 1: Rocket Watts was on fire during his final four games

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Speaker 1: of last season. Beyond that, you have Chris Holtman, more

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Speaker 1: meticulous than a forensics officer. He's got four guys back

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Speaker 1: that he leaned on last year, d J Walker, Dwayne Washington,

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Speaker 1: e J. Liddell, and how young the were cemented the starters.

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Speaker 1: Archie Miller should have his best team yet at Indiana,

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Speaker 1: but this team at Indiana may only be good enough

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Speaker 1: to finish that their six in the Big Ten, and

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Speaker 1: we didn't even mention the team like Michigan as well.

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Speaker 1: And Doug, here's the interesting thing I remember in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten was so good. Michigan was the five seed

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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten tournament and they wounded up playing

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Speaker 1: Louisville for a national championship. I think you can see

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Speaker 1: that sap the year in the Big Ten. And I

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Speaker 1: also think you look at the Big Twelve, your former conference.

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Speaker 1: I've got five Big Twelve teams right now in my

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Speaker 1: top twenty five. I've got seven in my top forty two.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a minimum six team from

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve in the n C Double A Tournament.

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Speaker 1: The fascinating thing I think is going to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: it looks like they're gonna son of these conferences are

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Speaker 1: gonna expand the number of conference games and shrink the

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Speaker 1: number of non conference games that there are non conference

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Speaker 1: games at all, which will which I like, like, Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I never I didn't like conference expansion. But

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Speaker 1: if you're getting spend play everybody, if you player by twice,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the college the best thing about

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Speaker 1: I understand that those events make money, and I understand

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Speaker 1: the finances of how it works with the buy games.

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Speaker 1: I get it, okay, But um, I'm almost to the

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Speaker 1: point and it's not gonna happen. But like like the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten, who has never truly it was great when

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Speaker 1: it was in Madison Square Garden, but they've ever totally

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Speaker 1: embraced the Big Ten tournament, I think you're better off

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Speaker 1: hell played twenties six conference games, man, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: awesome would that be if you play everybody twice within

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Speaker 1: your league. Again, not gonna happen when you're expanded to

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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty two across the across the board. But

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that the Big twelve had

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Speaker 1: that others did not, which is the ability to play

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Speaker 1: everybody twice. I think that'll change the dynamic, can give

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Speaker 1: us a much clearer look of who the best teams

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Speaker 1: are in these conferences because you know, so many years

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Speaker 1: in the past you have this unbalanced conference schedule, and

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Speaker 1: oftentimes the reasons that you have a Michigan finishing in

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Speaker 1: fifth or or Wisconsin winning last year is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: how good they are, but but the schedule and and

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Speaker 1: sometimes who they who they played within their conference schedules

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Speaker 1: vastly different from year to year. Well, there's no doubt, Doug,

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Speaker 1: and I think you know with that, with teams adding

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Speaker 1: conference games, what we're seeing is a greater separations too

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Speaker 1: in the halves and the have nots. And I mean

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Speaker 1: you look at last season US teams, two teams from

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Speaker 1: non power conferences, Dayton in San Diego State become obviously

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Speaker 1: the vernacular of the sport because of the years they had,

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Speaker 1: But this is also an alarming thing when you look

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Speaker 1: at nonpower conferences. Five teams in the Atlantic ten last

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Speaker 1: year had twenty one or more wins prior to the

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Speaker 1: start of the Atlantic ten tournament, and only one was

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Speaker 1: a lock for the n C Double A Tournament, and

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Speaker 1: that was Dayton. You're seeing more and more of the

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Speaker 1: possibility of conferences who are not in power leagues and

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Speaker 1: not associated as a power league, of being one big leagues.

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Speaker 1: And the league that has been ahead of the current

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Speaker 1: when it comes to putting itself in a position to

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Speaker 1: have more than one team in the in the n

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Speaker 1: C Double A Tournament is the West Coast Conference. Because

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Speaker 1: they downshifted, they want to sixteen league games. Now it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit harder to schedule this year. I understand

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Speaker 1: because of COVID last year's of Gonzaga, b y U

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Speaker 1: and St. Mary's. We're not just in the n C

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Speaker 1: Double A Tournament. If we had an n C Double

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Speaker 1: A Tournament, they were in the n C Double A

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Speaker 1: Tournament at single digit seeds. Now let's look on the

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Speaker 1: East Coast right now. Conversely, the Atlantic ten used to

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Speaker 1: play sixteen league games. What happened when they played sixteen

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Speaker 1: league games in two third teams they had five n

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Speaker 1: C Double A Tournament teams. In two fourteen they had

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Speaker 1: six n C Double A Tournament teams, as many as

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Speaker 1: the A c C. They decided they want us to

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Speaker 1: be like a power conference. After that season, they have

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Speaker 1: not had more than three teams in the n C

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Speaker 1: Double A Tournament since they went from sixteen league games

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Speaker 1: to eighteen league games. Now you will know this. The

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Speaker 1: Atlantic ten is a really good basketball league. It is

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Speaker 1: not a mid major conference. But the problem is because

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Speaker 1: they have eliminated that nonconference flexibility, you have seen this

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Speaker 1: league find it harder and harder to get the quality

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Speaker 1: representation it deserves in the n C Double A Tournament. Um, John,

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Speaker 1: we're we also have this other thing going on which

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Speaker 1: doesn't get talked a lot about, but it's the Yeah, Beheim,

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Speaker 1: you got k you got Roy Williams. Three absolutely legendary coaches, right,

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Speaker 1: and all of one national title. Obviously, Ka and Beheim

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Speaker 1: went Okay and uh Roy have won multiple national titles.

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Speaker 1: At some point in time, they're gonna retire. Just that's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, right, I guess this is and we're not.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's more discussion than question. But what's the

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Speaker 1: sport look like when they're gone? Like it? I don't

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Speaker 1: like Okay, First, who do you think replays this? K best?

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Speaker 1: Guess it's an outstanding question, Doug. You know it has

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Speaker 1: to be. I'll say this. You look at the Duke

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Speaker 1: Tree right now, and you look obviously at you know,

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Speaker 1: the names that are out there. Capel Ancer, no Joe

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Speaker 1: Collins in the list goes on and on. Mike Ray,

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Speaker 1: but you know Mike right in play there, so he'll

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Speaker 1: even tell you it is probably a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're looking at the person in my opinion, that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, probably most up for the challenge because of

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Speaker 1: his d n A, and he has not been the

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Speaker 1: Duke assistant, probably hurly earlier. You revered because you were

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Speaker 1: a great point guard in college. Up. I don't, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if he wants. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Bobby wants. Not speculating speculation right now,

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00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and again I don't and again we're speculating. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that, but I think it's somebody who obviously

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Speaker 1: would embrace the chat and of being the one to replace,

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Speaker 1: somebody like Mike Schewsky. But here's another thing, Doug, that's

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Speaker 1: and this is just I think we're seeing this as

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Speaker 1: you know, coaches are coaching more and more into their

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Speaker 1: later years. You know, Mike Sachowski told me last year

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Speaker 1: after this replacement or two years ago, that you know,

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Speaker 1: he still has no plans to retire. He feels better

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Speaker 1: than he had in a long time. So who knows

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Speaker 1: when that day is going to come? You know, I

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Speaker 1: saw the Larry Brown multiple times, and I can still

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Speaker 1: tell in his voice that he regrets leaving the team

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Speaker 1: that he left behind at s MU because he and

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Speaker 1: other coaches I've interviewed over the years have alsoid the

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Speaker 1: same thing. You know, you can have financial security, you

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Speaker 1: can have the ability to do whatever you want, but

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Speaker 1: you can never get a team back if you if

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Speaker 1: you're not coaching. And Bob Knight once sold me an

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Speaker 1: interview I did with him, the hardest year of his

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Speaker 1: life was the year between Indiana and Texas Tech, because

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Speaker 1: he had everything he wanted, more than he knew it

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Speaker 1: to do with, but he didn't have a team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, in fairness, they all say that

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Speaker 1: they they you know, they none of them want to

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Speaker 1: get hurt in recruiting. Nobody wants to put a finite deadline.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like I think be Jeim wants to

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Speaker 1: coach his son and then he's probably then he's probably done,

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Speaker 1: I would guess um, because he really likes to play golf.

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point they want to be with

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Speaker 1: their grandkids. I thought Roy Williams before he had his surgery,

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Speaker 1: you know, his best friend had died. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm obvious to hear see what quarantine did to some

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Speaker 1: of these guys, because they did spend a lot more

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Speaker 1: time around home um, and a lot less time out recruiting,

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Speaker 1: and I wonder if they liked it more. I wondered

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Speaker 1: if they missed, you know, the summer circuit. I just

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Speaker 1: I wonder on those things. Who replaces Roy Williams at Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I think with all three jobs, I think the Duke job,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Syracuse job, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Carolina job, I would expect it all to be within

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Speaker 1: the fabric of this program. So family, okay, so so

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Speaker 1: so so so Duke, I'll give you an outside the

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Speaker 1: box name, a Duke like look. I think Woe Joe

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Speaker 1: be amazing. Um. Obviously, I think Bobby Bobby Hurley has

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Speaker 1: been really successful at Arizona State, considering how hard it

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Speaker 1: is to be uh successful consecutively at Arizona State. Is

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Speaker 1: not They have a hundred thousand students and he's done

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Speaker 1: a great job of really recruiting and getting after it.

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Speaker 1: But that's not a traditional powerhouse job or a traditional

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Speaker 1: basketball job. Um. I'll give you one guy who hasn't

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Speaker 1: been a head coach at is John Shire right Like

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Speaker 1: he's oh, he's hand picked. He was their point guard,

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Speaker 1: he won a national championship. He kind of has that

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00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: scholarly sort of thing on the sideline. Like it, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't stun me if all of those guys had really

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Speaker 1: good jobs. Like yeah, I don't know if I want that.

642
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Um Collins will be another one. Like all those guys

643
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: are very similar, and you know they've they've all had

644
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: their different types of success. But like Shires, one that

645
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be crazy. I mean, you know a lot

646
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: of people thought for a long time it was Capele

647
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: He's turning around pitch, we'll we'll see again another former

648
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: dew point guard, UM Carolina. Like I I kind of

649
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: thought that's why stack took the Stackhouse took the Vanderbilt job.

650
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: But I just heard he doesn't love the college basketball

651
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: thing that he likes. He likes the NBA style game

652
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and not recruiting better. So I wonder on Carolina because

653
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there is a Carolina guy as much

654
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: as there's a Roy Williams family guy that would be

655
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I mean Carolina to me, you know

656
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: has Hubert Davis on the staff. And if you remember

657
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: when coach Smith obviously resigned, Bill Guffridge got the job,

658
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: it was a different type of situation because coach Gustridge

659
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: was there forever. I think that's one place. You know, again,

660
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: we're all speculating right now, and I do think this,

661
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, from the Syracuse perspective, I can see, you know,

662
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: because of the roots that Mike Hopkins has out West,

663
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, loves what he's building at Washington.

664
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I know that they to me, I wrote Washington was

665
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: a dark horse final four team last year when it

666
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: had Quaddy Green in the lineup. I mean they had

667
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: an over payler already on the resume and then he

668
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: was ruled academically ineligible. But I don't think the person

669
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna follow Jim Bayam and Syracuse will be my coffins.

670
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I think it will be somebody else. Yeah, I think

671
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: Jerry McNamara is a good possibility, right, Like speculate, no speculations. Yeah,

672
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's still it's fun, right, That's it. It

673
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: is fun. Okay, Let's get to food. Let's you have

674
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: a passion for food, unlike many human beings unearthed, and

675
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: you just do you throw out the restaurants that you've

676
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: been to. Is there are type of food that you

677
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: don't like? Like, I know you love Italian? Do you

678
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: like sushi. Are you a sushi guy? Not a big

679
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: sushi guy. No, not a big sushi guy. I think

680
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: you know. I've though there's an Asian restaurant in Manhattan,

681
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Phelippe Jail that I love, But you know, not a

682
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: big sushi guy. Um, what is your if you have

683
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: one place to eat before you die, like you're gonna

684
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: die or you're not gonna be able or you know,

685
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: like maybe I don't know, during quarantine, you couldn't go

686
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: out to a restaurant. One place to go in New

687
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: York City is where I went with my fiance for

688
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: my birthday. Carbone on Thompson Street. Is is a pretty

689
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: pretty terrific dining experience. Usually pasta that much and we

690
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: had all these different sorts of pasta and cart It

691
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: was tremendous and without stort. Dining wasn't even inside Okay,

692
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: So what what? What about Carbone is such so amazing

693
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: You just feel like you're in you know, an early

694
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds kind of Massia movie, like you know, Al

695
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: Capone could be at the next table, like I've seen

696
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, Roger Goodell there when I've eaten there in

697
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: the in the past. You know, they just you know,

698
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: there's just so many intricate types of pasta and so

699
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: on and so forth, and the portion size of it

700
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: just the right amount that you don't feel two bloated.

701
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a tremendous dining experience. UM. Okay,

702
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: you you have this ability to wish every coach good

703
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: luck the day of their game. I've never been anybody

704
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: who didn't go like, they are you on the roster?

705
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: So is there a computer program you use? Do you

706
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: get like? What is this? Is there an app you

707
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: use tell us the real secret to how you wish

708
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: everyone a good luck but only on their game day? Yeah?

709
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's really not not I don't think it

710
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: would be having this much interest. Just like when I

711
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: was starting out. This is like two thousand and six,

712
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Um, one of my mentors at the time,

713
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: I would tell them about an interview I did with

714
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: a coach and I'm just thanking him for his time,

715
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I just hey, man,

716
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: thanks for your time, good luck and your opener and

717
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: somebody who was you know, mentor and You're just like, hey,

718
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: not a bad way just to stay in touch with people,

719
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: because you never just want to beat somebody who you

720
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: just shows up with a camera. You know that you

721
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: know when you need something. So I just you know,

722
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: have an app that's kind of connected to the college

723
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: basketball season and somebody just gets a quick bump when

724
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: they when they're playing a game, and that's it. Again,

725
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't think too much of it, just because it's just,

726
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to wish people well in

727
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: their endeavors, and that's that's that's really it. Okay, Wait,

728
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: so there is an app that what is is APPCA? Like?

729
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: Do you have ownership of this app? Do you have

730
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: proprietary scheduling? App? Just connect connected to my schedule? Like

731
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: I have other texts too that you know, automatically go

732
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: to other people in my phone and so on and

733
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: so forth. It's just, you know, just the way of

734
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: just saying, let's just staying organized. Man, who is your

735
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Who is your arch rival? In the in the in

736
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: the in the news, breaking college basketball news, breaking business?

737
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: Who was it? Is it Goodman? Is it Noorlander? Who

738
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: is your rival? I don't really I think I look

739
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: at things that way, to be honest, Doug, I just

740
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of reb kind I think it came to a

741
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: point a couple of years ago that you know, I'm

742
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: gonna do the best job I can and try to

743
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: carve out my space, you know, my place in the space,

744
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: and you know, you know you're not gonna get every

745
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: other story. So I think it's important, you know, to

746
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: have you know, more substance than just you know, the

747
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: ability to get news, because news now is kind of

748
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: like in a vapor on Twitter. So I just kind

749
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: of try to just work on my own brand and

750
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: just do the best I can and just hope, you know,

751
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: good opportunities follow. Yeah. No, I I get that. I

752
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: totally understand that. Um yeah, it's gonna be a pretty

753
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: empty life. I think if you're if you're just trying

754
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: to like live off who's getting one on Twitter? Because

755
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like a vapor, it's going

756
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: to dissolve. Yeah, no, and and and most everybody gets

757
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: the story, and then after that it's like, Okay, give

758
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: me something to do to decipher what this what this

759
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: story means. If you were a college bass knowing and

760
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: one of the things you are able to do is

761
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: and I've I've done this not necessarily as much as

762
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: you have, but you literally break bread with guys as

763
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: a human being. If there was a guy you'd want

764
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: to play for as a dude, who would it be

765
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: one you only get one to play for? Yeah, you're like, man,

766
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: if I was a player, that's the guy I want

767
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: to play for. IM. Interesting question. I never thought about

768
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: it because I kind of never really thought about myself,

769
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: like you know, as a I've always just kind of

770
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: tried have been like you know, a meat sports media

771
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: person on a broadcaster, I want you want best hang

772
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: best best hang. Okay, Yeah, I haven't hear time when

773
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: they hang with Bob Huggins. That's a good point. Can

774
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: I take my Bob Huggins story requick? Yeah, okay, So, um,

775
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: when I left Notre Dame, Um, Bob Huggins was at

776
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and he had coached um a friend of mine

777
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: who um when when he was at Cincinnati. So this

778
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: is nineties six, right, So Damon Flint had come out

779
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: and stayed at my house for I think two summers,

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: and then it ended up kind of playing obviously playing

781
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: for him, and so we had my my dad name,

782
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: had a little bit of relationship, not like a long

783
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: staining relationship, and there was obviously respect. I I had

784
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: gone when they went to the final four, and I

785
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: was when Duke went back to back. I was there,

786
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: and I remember watching them practice. So in ninety nine,

787
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: summer ninety six, I was trying to figure out if

788
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna go and transfer and sit out or

789
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: if I was if I was going to sit out

790
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: at a junior college, which ildily did and then transfer

791
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: and play right away. And Damon Flint was on the team.

792
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: He was a senior that year, and um, um, so

793
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: he came and saw me play at a at a

794
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: JUCO event in Vegas, and you know, if you're playing

795
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: against JUCO guys and you played a year Division one

796
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: basketball and started Notre Dame, it was I mean, it

797
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: was super easy. It was kind of a joke. It

798
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: was so easy, a matter of fact. And um, he

799
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: he called me. He's like, um, hey, we don't have

800
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: a point guard. Do you want to come? That was

801
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: that was his recum pitch. I was like, well, you know,

802
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: he's like and he ended up signing Steve Logan to

803
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: be came a great player for him and he's probably

804
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: better off or whatever. But what I loved what I

805
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: loved about him then, and I love about him now

806
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: and like he didn't go into the Hey, we have

807
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: Bobby Brandon and Melvin Levitt and and and we had

808
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: Dwan Baker and Ruben Patterson and you know, Kennon Martin.

809
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: Those guys were all on that team. By the way,

810
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: that I would have I would have joined. That would

811
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: have been my first year, right. Imagine if that team

812
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: had had a point guard, you know they were. Imagine

813
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 1: if they had like a real, real point guard, because

814
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: I think they played like a kid. And Michael Horton,

815
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: who he's like, he's okay, and that's why he recruited

816
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: Steve Logan. Um. Anyway, he was like, uh, you know

817
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: we play. I was like, yes, sir, I know he play.

818
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: It's like we're good. We need a point guard. You

819
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: want to come? And I was like, well can I

820
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: come visit? It was like what do you want to come?

821
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't, I don't know. And

822
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: I actually never took a visit there, but it was

823
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: to this day, he'll occasionally he'll walk by me and

824
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: a lobby and go like, I'm gonna go grab a beer.

825
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: You want to come? Like that was like like his things.

826
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: So um, although there was one time when I I

827
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: didn't think Joe Alexander should be drafted as high as

828
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: he was drafted out of West Virginia, And at Joe

829
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Alexander's draft party and Joe his agents a buddy of

830
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: mine at the time, was a buddy of mine and

831
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: invite me to the draft party. Joe was great about it.

832
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: I just like I didn't see him as a top

833
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: fifteen player anyway. Huggings like a cost to me because

834
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: he always loves and protects his guys, Like, why are

835
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: you a hater? Why is the hater here? Why is

836
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: the hater here? But I do hugs is Huggs is

837
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: a good Okay, So you have a table for four,

838
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: you and three other guys assistants head coaches cut Huggins out.

839
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Who are the other three guys? You know? I think

840
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: the unique thing about college hoops is, you know, every

841
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: coach for the most part, has a different personality. So

842
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I kind of just enjoyed people for what they are

843
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: and just kind of like go from there, like to

844
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Like I mean, so I think know,

845
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: being versatile and talking to somebody from the Deep South

846
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: or an urban city like you kind of have to show,

847
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, your ability to connect with different people. So,

848
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm a pretty social person, So

849
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it matters. I kind of

850
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: enjoy everybody that I covered. That's one of the things, Doug,

851
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: that you can give me three guys that you would

852
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Speaker 1: invite to dinner, Like I'm picking up the check tonight

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Speaker 1: at Carbone. We're going to Carbone me and you get

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get table for five, John, you pick three guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I I you know, I'm I feel like I'm,

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00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, such a social person that you know, three

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Speaker 1: people wouldn't be enough because I would want more to come. Wow,

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Speaker 1: just the way I am and like I'm And that

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things, Doug. As you know, for now,

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Speaker 1: probably the last decade decade and a half, I have,

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Speaker 1: you know, pretty much, you know, paid my own way

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Speaker 1: to travel to thirty or forty practices around the country.

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00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: And part of the great thing is spending time with

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Speaker 1: these coaches in their own settings and you know, getting

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Speaker 1: to know them, talking to them, breaking bread, things like that.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I kind of enjoy everybody for who

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Speaker 1: they are, and that's part of the fun part of

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Speaker 1: the job and getting to know these people on a

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Speaker 1: personal basis. Fair enough. You love the concrete Jungle of

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Speaker 1: New York. Is there any school outside of the Tri

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00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: state area that you've gone, You know, if for any reason,

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Speaker 1: any reason, I couldn't go back to the concrete Jungle,

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Speaker 1: this is the place that I would relocate to, Santa Barbara, California.

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Speaker 1: It's good answer. It's a good answer. YEA engaged to

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Speaker 1: somebody she once to USC. So I spent, you know,

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Speaker 1: more time in southern California. And you know, I spent

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Speaker 1: plenty of time in l A and San Francisco, but

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Speaker 1: the time I've spent in Santa Barbara, it has quickly

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Speaker 1: become my second favorite place in the in the greater

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Speaker 1: United States, not even close. Well, listen, uh, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: everybody to listen to your podcasts. It's the only seven

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00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: all college basketball. We obviously taught to college basketball coaches,

883
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: react to the NBA people. We do other basketball stuff here.

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Speaker 1: But I love your dedication. You are a in fact,

885
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Speaker 1: a good man and a good friend, and I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you join us and talking a little college hoops

887
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Speaker 1: and tell us a little bit about your story. Well, Doug,

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Speaker 1: I want to just add to that since I I

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Speaker 1: can just for a minute, uh, because I want to

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Speaker 1: share something because I know there's this perception of you

891
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: that you know, well, you know, you're tough on Twitter

892
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: and you're a troll. And I can tell people this now,

893
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Speaker 1: like the worst day I've probably ever had in my life.

894
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Speaker 1: And I know you remember this because we're supposed to

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00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: work together was January when I told my car on

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Speaker 1: the Merrick Parkway. And I think you and I were

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Speaker 1: building a kinship prior to that, but like I have

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Speaker 1: never I've never forgotten how you were there for me after,

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Speaker 1: you know, I told him my car and my ribs

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Speaker 1: were messed up, and just how shakers, you know, shook

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Speaker 1: I was after that. And like I tell anybody who listens,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you know, Doug is a great guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a great friend, he's a great husband, he's a

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Speaker 1: great father. He may be misunderstood by what people see

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Speaker 1: on social media, but that's not who he is like

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Speaker 1: when you get to know him. And I'll also say this,

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00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, earlier in my career, I think you know,

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00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: you kind of you know, had some conversations you know,

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00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: with me about how like, you know, you really got

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00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: a good feel on things and you know, rosters and

911
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: stuff like this, but because you didn't play, you know,

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00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: you need to obviously look to answer your repertoire more

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Speaker 1: of a news aspect and kind of like what we

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00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: were just talking about, like you're not gonna get every story,

915
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: and you know, you know you can't, like you know,

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Speaker 1: live your life worrying about getting every story. But it

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Speaker 1: could add another element, you know, two years to what

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Speaker 1: you're trying to build in terms of your portfolio. And

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, after that talk, you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, went and tried to obviously do

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Speaker 1: the best I could at that every day since and

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Speaker 1: I think it's made a major difference in my career.

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Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for that, and I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for your friendship and you know

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Speaker 1: your your care all right, Well listen, Well, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: with you on wearing a mask. I too want college

927
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Speaker 1: basketball to happen. I can't wait till it happens. I'll

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Speaker 1: continue following you on Twitter. I'll see you hopefully on

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Speaker 1: the road at one of these events. In a bubble

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Speaker 1: Out of the bubble, Thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: in the kind words. Thanks Doug. Many thanks to John

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Speaker 1: Rothstein for joining us. UH. If you have a question

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Speaker 1: to come and it thought, you can tweet me at

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. That's my Twitter handle. That's also my I

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Speaker 1: G handle. You can also um download, rate, listen, and

936
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Speaker 1: you can check out the Doug Gottlip Show daily on

937
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio on the I Heart Radio app. Many

938
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Speaker 1: thanks to John Rothstein for joining us and for you

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Speaker 1: for downloading and listening. I'm Doug godli Been. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball