Speaker 1: You saw early Tom. That's a difference. See we had
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You had Tom motherfucking Brady. See that that's
Speaker 1: who he was.
Speaker 2: You're drinking Tom had exactly I had chisel jaw, avocado
Speaker 2: e beautiful hair. How do you smell good after practice? Tom?
Speaker 2: Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship
Speaker 2: with Tye.
Speaker 1: You fought the law and the law won. This is
Speaker 1: the game to go to the Super Bowl. We're playing
Speaker 1: against our rivals in Peyton Manning. You are one of.
Speaker 2: The greatest past defenders I've ever watched. Could you have
Speaker 2: dominated in this this generation?
Speaker 1: I would adapt. I'll say if I played the way
Speaker 1: that I played, I probably wouldn't get no check. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get fine on everything we would have fought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would have been fined. But guess what, we've been
Speaker 1: drinking a beer afterwards.
Speaker 2: Your years that you played. Picked off Dan Marino, Yeah,
Speaker 2: picked off Steve Young.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly. My
Speaker 1: longest interception was off Tom though. That picks it. What's
Speaker 1: your best Bill Belichick story? You want me give you
Speaker 1: one more? That's your in my contract? Shot up? Oh?
Speaker 1: God damn it. Shot o'clock, Shot o'clock. I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking Bill.
Speaker 2: You gotta get a little toasty.
Speaker 1: So let's go to Bill's ass. Right.
Speaker 2: So, Games with Names is a production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. This is our fiftieth game,
Speaker 2: the Big five.
Speaker 1: Oh what a game for fifty two.
Speaker 3: We made it guys, fifty two, we made it fifty
Speaker 3: also fifty as well.
Speaker 1: We lost fifty two. Oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 2: But thank you guys for watching and support and it's
Speaker 2: been so fun awesome. It's been awesome to hear read
Speaker 2: the comments on all the platforms. Uh, listening to the voicemails.
Speaker 2: It's pretty it's pretty fun to still be connected with,
Speaker 2: you know, people that love sport.
Speaker 4: It's it's been great and you can't wait to see
Speaker 4: him at the live show.
Speaker 1: To live show.
Speaker 3: We're gonna pack it out. What we do that chromeo,
Speaker 3: let me look that.
Speaker 4: What can we doing today?
Speaker 2: Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship game, with.
Speaker 1: The Colts traveling in to old Foxborough, snowy fox Burrow
Speaker 1: against the Patriots with no one other than the man
Speaker 1: who literally smelled blood in the water when Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: was throwing the football tie. You fought the law and
Speaker 1: the law one.
Speaker 2: We get into talking the difference between Tom Brady and
Speaker 2: Tom motherfucking.
Speaker 4: Braik, Tom motherfucking Brady.
Speaker 1: We also get into uh, what's a dog? Who's a dog?
Speaker 1: The definition of dog, a lot of dog talk. And
Speaker 1: we also took a few shots of Corbus vodka.
Speaker 3: If you can tell the first episode that we let
Speaker 3: them throw them back on.
Speaker 1: Geez, there goes the detox we got.
Speaker 4: We might have to do games with names after dark.
Speaker 4: Get an alcohol sponsor, start.
Speaker 3: Letting it fly times.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a great episode. I can't wait. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go, Hell yeah, let's go. January eighteen, two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, to let Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts. On the snowy
Speaker 1: day in New England. Peyton Manning in the coast are
Speaker 1: looking to punch their ticket to the super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: sometimes even a sheriff has to answer to the law.
Speaker 1: I fought the law one game. I fought the law
Speaker 1: and I got drunk.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games and Names, and we have an unbelievably
Speaker 2: special guest.
Speaker 1: We have Ty Law in the studio. Welcome to Games Names,
Speaker 1: but oh man thank you, thank you for having me. Man. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan right now. Man, I'm a fan boy, Julian.
Speaker 1: He was a beast dog. I'm trying to tell you,
Speaker 1: bro was you was a fucking animal. Man.
Speaker 2: You know what hearing that from you means so much
Speaker 2: because you are one of the greatest past defenders I've
Speaker 2: ever watched, and it was it was crazy And we're
Speaker 2: gonna go over the two thousand and three AFC Championship
Speaker 2: game Colts verse Pats, and it was in the biggest moments,
Speaker 2: the biggest games that you always saw ty Law make
Speaker 2: the big play when the team needed the big play.
Speaker 1: Now, why'd you pick this game? Why do you like
Speaker 1: this game?
Speaker 2: And we'll get we'll get into the details of it.
Speaker 2: But like off cuff, why'd you pick this game?
Speaker 1: I think it started for where I grew up in
Speaker 1: all Equippa, Pennsylvania. I mean, we eight slipped played football,
Speaker 1: you know, we played basketball to stay in shape for
Speaker 1: football and it's for something to do. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just my town in my city, That's what it
Speaker 1: was all about. So the first people I looked up
Speaker 1: to were the high school guys when I was when
Speaker 1: I was a jit, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I looked up to those guys because they were the popular,
Speaker 1: They were the stars around town. In my little hometown,
Speaker 1: everything shuts down when it comes to football, you know,
Speaker 1: you would think you would be at a floor to
Speaker 1: state game. And I'll equippa, because we got the horse,
Speaker 1: we got the fire Every time somebody scores, when you're
Speaker 1: in the town, you hear the fireworks going off. So
Speaker 1: it was a real community type of feel. And you
Speaker 1: wanted to be out there, and that's what And I
Speaker 1: knew that that was my ticket, if anything, you know,
Speaker 1: to get out and make a better name for myself,
Speaker 1: better life for myself. And you did.
Speaker 2: And and what was in the water out there in
Speaker 2: in western Pennsylvania because Dicka came from there, Reeves came
Speaker 2: from there. Two of I played with Reeve and he
Speaker 2: was probably the best corner I got.
Speaker 1: To play with. You missed the name Jules, the great,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, who was greater than all in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Tony dor said, Tony Door, So al, equippa.
Speaker 1: We got four in the Hall of Fame. Four Hall
Speaker 1: of famers. Yeah, yeah, So the only town and like
Speaker 1: population of what seven eight if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And we got four Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, I used to play. I went
Speaker 2: to Kent State and we used to play. We used
Speaker 2: to have all the Western Pa kids. Our little running
Speaker 2: back was Eugene Jervis and he was a stud. And
Speaker 2: it was very apparent that Western Pennsylvania, that Pittsburgh, that
Speaker 2: area that you're in. It was these they love football
Speaker 2: like die eat sleep football. And it's gotten kind of
Speaker 2: away from that. What do you think about the game
Speaker 2: right now? And how the hunger do you still see
Speaker 2: guys from your area still coming out and balling out?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Aliquippa for this year. The new hins Field. By
Speaker 1: the way, I want to send a shout out to
Speaker 1: the Heines Corporation because of course they were the Steelers,
Speaker 1: right everyboy new Heines Field. That's where you and I
Speaker 1: played at Heines Field. I guess the big dot coms
Speaker 1: came and they changed it. So Hines put an interest
Speaker 1: in Aliquippa because we never had a track, we never
Speaker 1: had a great feel. Whatever we dealt with and what
Speaker 1: we played it with, we made it our own. They
Speaker 1: came and opened up a brand new stadium this past
Speaker 1: year and it's beautiful. It was beautiful. And guess what
Speaker 1: went undefeated for the first time. Let's go and man,
Speaker 1: it's been crazy. And they're working on the state championship
Speaker 1: right now in basketball, playing right now up by eighteen.
Speaker 1: So I'm keeping in touch with my guys right now.
Speaker 1: But Aliquippa is everything to me. Man, you grew up
Speaker 1: a Steelers here. Hell no, hey, I was out. I
Speaker 1: grew look, I grew up a cowboy fan. Although I
Speaker 1: respect the Stealers and everybody in my hometown, they were
Speaker 1: diehard stealers and the only thing that used to irritate
Speaker 1: me is that when we played them after I got
Speaker 1: to the NFL, they wanted me to win. They wanted
Speaker 1: me to get five interceptions. I could in the game,
Speaker 1: but they want me to be on the other side
Speaker 1: of the score on the other side of the scoreboard
Speaker 1: and the loser bracket. That's how die hard the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Faithful is. But you know I was. I want to
Speaker 1: do something different. That's why I didn't go to pitt
Speaker 1: Everybody from ala Quippa, you think about Mike Dicker, Tony
Speaker 1: dor Set, Drel Reeves, they wanted to pit I wanted
Speaker 1: to do something different. You know, it's nothing against Pitt,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to. I didn't want to be to
Speaker 1: try to be the next Tony door Set because that's
Speaker 1: what everybody was because I was, you know, running back
Speaker 1: and all that stuff touchdowns. But I wanted to be
Speaker 1: the first time law. I realized, you can't be the
Speaker 1: next twenty door set. He's one of one. But I
Speaker 1: want to be one of one. And that's why I
Speaker 1: decided to go to the University of Michigan and just
Speaker 1: flip it up because a lot of the top athletes
Speaker 1: always go to Pitt or Penn State, and Penn State
Speaker 1: was out the goddamn question. I mean, you don't see nothing.
Speaker 1: You don't see nothing fucking corn fields and everything. When
Speaker 1: I was there at the time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought I was children of the corner. I seen
Speaker 1: Malachi him up there. I was like, oh hell no,
Speaker 1: I man, I was never going up there. I was scared.
Speaker 1: Never been out there.
Speaker 2: You ain't missing that thing anything specific in this two
Speaker 2: thousand and three AFC Championship that that sticks out right
Speaker 2: when you think about it.
Speaker 1: Just the magnitude of the game. You know, if this
Speaker 1: is the game to go to the Super Bowl. We're
Speaker 1: playing against you know at that time, you know our
Speaker 1: arch Nyms is our rivals in Peyton Manning, you know
Speaker 1: the face of the league and you know along with Tom,
Speaker 1: so it was big and for me personally, I knew
Speaker 1: I had to go play like I had to get
Speaker 1: up for that game, you know these kind of games
Speaker 1: you circle, because I had to go against the great
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, you know what I mean, and Peyton Manny
Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna get opportunities, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was always afraid of being on the wrong end
Speaker 1: of the highlights. Man, I did you cause you gotta
Speaker 1: wait a week to get some redemption. And guess what,
Speaker 1: you can't wait no week then you lose that game.
Speaker 1: You gotta wait a whole nother year to get some
Speaker 1: whole another year and the exactly exactly, the low lights exactly,
Speaker 1: And I was not about to have that. So I
Speaker 1: mean I was extra motivated, you know, you know, for
Speaker 1: that game, and for whatever reason, he kept coming my way.
Speaker 1: I mean, dumbest shit ever.
Speaker 4: But you know my favorite thing about this game. You
Speaker 4: talk about Marvin Harrison, you hat the same amount of catches.
Speaker 1: He did that was crazy, right, that mean, you know what,
Speaker 1: and with all due respect to Marvel, because I knew
Speaker 1: I had to put on you know, he was a stud.
Speaker 1: I mean he had that quickness. And you see his
Speaker 1: son right now, Oh my god, I mean that looked
Speaker 1: like the most pro ready rookie receiver that I've ever seen. Man,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go top ten, yeah, exactly, five, I think
Speaker 1: he might. I think he's gonna go top five. And
Speaker 1: in the Patriot everything from his dad. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: Marvin his dad with that size.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're looking at it potentially, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: We're looking at it. And you know that he's got
Speaker 2: you know, when your dad is Marvin Harrison and you're
Speaker 2: a bigger guy. Different, But you know, he was doing
Speaker 2: all those little drills that Marvin used to get those
Speaker 2: little comebacks at the fucking yes. Then he used to
Speaker 2: run that little comeback at the front line. Almost they
Speaker 2: used to run like the fake fake come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah yep, yeah, I mean I mean he shoulders. He
Speaker 1: was so good at that. But how I used to
Speaker 1: try to combat Marvin is to be physical. But I
Speaker 1: was like that with everybody, you know, to try to
Speaker 1: be physical. But really him. I say, you know what, sometime,
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and attack, you know, right away,
Speaker 1: and I like to play him on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I wasn't silly enough to play Marvin play him off.
Speaker 1: Hell no, you can't give him space. So maybe if
Speaker 1: I attack right now, make him uncomfortable, Peyton to go
Speaker 1: like this and go elsewhere, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That was that was my job scrimmage exactly. When at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, man, they started putt him in
Speaker 1: motion though. That was the that was the thing they
Speaker 1: used to do because I used to try to. I
Speaker 1: used to get him at the line of scrimmage. They'll
Speaker 1: put him in motion to short motions and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. It's crazy. You've been watching this dynasty. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I got to be honest. I only watched the first
Speaker 1: you know, I think the first three or three or
Speaker 1: four episodes because it's two parts on each one. But
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing, you know, I don't like what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing. I got to really sit down. I've been
Speaker 1: so busy, you know, with Mabaka and just just keeping
Speaker 1: my head down doing me. But I don't like what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing what how they're making Bill look out, they're
Speaker 1: portraying Bill. I haven't you know, seen it, so I
Speaker 1: got to see it for myself to get a real assessment.
Speaker 1: But just from a lot of people, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't like it because he make him look look bad guy.
Speaker 1: I don't like that. We got to talk about this
Speaker 1: politically because we still love the people that produced it,
Speaker 1: right absolutely, But I mean it's I mean, it's crazy
Speaker 1: to watch some of this and and you know, I
Speaker 1: did a four hour interview for this thing YouTube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in for.
Speaker 2: Like two seconds because I didn't talk shit about Bill.
Speaker 1: I think I got the same thing because I was there.
Speaker 1: I probably was there over four hours. And I drove,
Speaker 1: you know, down to Naples because Bill Parcells he was
Speaker 1: I think he did it the day before I did
Speaker 1: end and then I mean I went down there. I
Speaker 1: mean it was an all day event, you know, and
Speaker 1: we they took a couple of little sound bites, but
Speaker 1: it was a hell of a lot more to the
Speaker 1: story of what as far as you know, how I
Speaker 1: view things, you know what I mean, And they didn't
Speaker 1: quite put that in there, nah, But I mean.
Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, right, you know, what I mean, you got
Speaker 2: it's clickbaity. You know, it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: it's gonna grab attention. People are gonna watch it. And
Speaker 2: you know, I tip my cap to the people that
Speaker 2: made it because we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: We're talking about it right. No, they started off hot though.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is gonna be good. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna rivel the last dance off of this one.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like, Okay, they're about to really amp it up,
Speaker 1: you know, because I was interested to hear the story.
Speaker 1: You know, with you guys, I've seen it. You know
Speaker 1: what I've seen it, what's portrayed of the story exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean being around there, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't in the locker room. It's a little bit different
Speaker 1: when you know, you know, you take yourself out of it.
Speaker 1: You've been a part of this journey. You've seen you
Speaker 1: were on the field when the hit happened, the drew.
Speaker 1: You've seen Tom's progression and how we used to get
Speaker 1: on him and you know him being like, you know,
Speaker 1: a young guy and just so hungry. You know, you've
Speaker 1: seen his like hunger to try to get out there
Speaker 1: on the field, but no one can anticipate he would
Speaker 1: be the goat. And for anybody to to say they've
Speaker 1: seen that, it's full of shit because no one's seen
Speaker 1: that he would be the It's not even argument the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time. My thing is the greatest
Speaker 1: football player of all time. That's how I feel about
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Who's the greatest quarterback? Tom Brady? And I
Speaker 1: don't know, no, but you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know how some Jews, you know how some stuff
Speaker 1: is debatable, And I mean you can sit there talk
Speaker 1: about you know, hockey, you know Greg Gretzky is gret Sky,
Speaker 1: and then you got a whole lot of other guys
Speaker 1: music or the other guy that is, you know, making
Speaker 1: all the ways you can talk about basketball, it is
Speaker 1: always going to be a debate with who was better
Speaker 1: or Michael Lebron instead of just looking at those guys
Speaker 1: or they were great and they in their time for
Speaker 1: what they did for the game. You got to add
Speaker 1: even Kobe in there, you know what I mean. If
Speaker 1: you want to put the thing on championships or best games,
Speaker 1: you got to talk about Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, regardless
Speaker 1: of what error that they was in. But there is
Speaker 1: a debate, there is absolutely no debate when it comes
Speaker 1: to who's the greatest quarterback of all time? You can
Speaker 1: say football player, because some people still think because of
Speaker 1: the Red Shirts, that they wasn't football players, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I think Tom surpassed that notion,
Speaker 1: you know, of being as tough and as resilient as
Speaker 1: he was taking the hits, getting up, talking shit, getting
Speaker 1: in people's face. He was just a different breed. But
Speaker 1: it is no debate whatsoever of who's on the mount
Speaker 1: rushmore of the quarterback position. You know, it's people that's
Speaker 1: having some great stuff done. Right now, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. He's doing some great, great things. But to
Speaker 1: put him, for some to say, in Tom Brady category,
Speaker 1: come on, man, too early, too soon. You gotta let
Speaker 1: it shape out exactly. He's doing some great things and
Speaker 1: great things, and he's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But we just watched his documentary. I mean, I gotta
Speaker 2: see some crazy adverse situation. You gotta overcome someone's gonna die.
Speaker 1: The honeymoon honeymoon, right, and to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: do it as consistently as he's done it. I mean, damnit,
Speaker 1: he was batting damn near five hundred to go to
Speaker 1: Super Bowls throughout his old career. That's crazy. So you
Speaker 1: have to play long enough to even be in the conversation.
Speaker 1: We got to start the conversation with it for right now,
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, even though he's on that trajectory, here's nobody.
Speaker 1: There's no denying that man. Love his game. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the new breed. But you got to start with Montana.
Speaker 1: You got you gotta get him first, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You got Terry, you gotta get got exactly
Speaker 1: then Terry Bradshaw, he got four. What will we be
Speaker 1: talking Original TV twelve. What will we be talking about
Speaker 1: right now? If Jim Kelly happened to win for Super
Speaker 1: Bowls in the row, he will be in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they didn't win. But I think certain people get
Speaker 1: a lot of kudos for going to the championship. But
Speaker 1: you got to close it out, closed door. You got
Speaker 1: to close it that damn though.
Speaker 2: Now you saw early tom what do you what do
Speaker 2: you think what's the biggest thing he developed or what
Speaker 2: did you see in the later part of his career
Speaker 2: that he developed through his career.
Speaker 1: What made him special to you the willingness one to
Speaker 1: learn not have that much ego to where he wasn't
Speaker 1: that he couldn't you know, got frustrated with not getting
Speaker 1: this opportunity. I respect Tom so much for when he
Speaker 1: got that opportunity, he took it and ran with it.
Speaker 1: And I think you know when I said on the Dynasty,
Speaker 1: you know, we were going out, We're doing our little
Speaker 1: team dinner and myself Tom Llawyd malloy going up and
Speaker 1: he was like, I ain't giving this shit back. You know.
Speaker 1: That's all you can say is that, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the spirit, you know, hey, but me and Laurie looked
Speaker 1: at you like, bullshit, that's a hunted million dollars and
Speaker 1: may you're going back to the pine, big buddy when
Speaker 1: Drew come back. I mean, that's just what we thought
Speaker 1: from the business side of it. But when he was
Speaker 1: out there to play, all we asked him was don't
Speaker 1: don't blow it, you know what I mean, don't turn
Speaker 1: the ball over. He didn't develop into Tom Brady the
Speaker 1: best that we ever seen in our life. At that time.
Speaker 1: He was still a young guy. You know. We had
Speaker 1: a run game our defense was phenomenal. I mean you,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to put up a lot
Speaker 1: of points on him. We had like the number one,
Speaker 1: number two defense in the league, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We were like that. So I mean he got to,
Speaker 1: you know, come in easy, not as much pressure. But
Speaker 1: when it was time, that's when you kind of seen
Speaker 1: that something special about this kid is when in crunch
Speaker 1: time as a young buck, he was cool. He was
Speaker 1: always real chilly. And then you start seeing him take
Speaker 1: more of a leadership role, a more vocal role, because
Speaker 1: he wasn't that vocal you know before. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was that confident to get up in front of
Speaker 1: the team. Got guys, you know, both guys like a
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruce kid, Willie McGinnis and those guys. They did.
Speaker 1: They did a lot of the talking, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Lawyer, you know, he was a big talker.
Speaker 1: You know, sometime you got to tell a lawyer to
Speaker 1: shut the head up. Man, we're trying to go home.
Speaker 1: But he liked to get at you know the end
Speaker 1: of the speech. I normally hear this when he see it,
Speaker 1: but sometime I'd be like, lawyer, man, would you shut
Speaker 1: the head up so we can go home long ass day,
Speaker 1: you know. But Tom eventually became that person to you know, talk,
Speaker 1: and he gained everybody's respect. Man, so you know much
Speaker 1: love to the go. Was there a specific game where
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, we could win with this guy.
Speaker 1: He's a super Bowl caliber quarterback. Now it may not
Speaker 1: have been that first seedson that first super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: somewhere along in this two thousand and three season, I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys started, you guys were fourteen to two. I mean,
Speaker 1: from the time that he won the super Bowl and
Speaker 1: became this big phenomenon and you know, everything that had
Speaker 1: happened and transpired during the season, you've seen it right there.
Speaker 1: He came in the next you know season with a
Speaker 1: different type of confidence, different type. No, he didn't let
Speaker 1: the fame get to his head to where he wasn't
Speaker 1: willing to put in that work. And he did that
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, I think, I know we gave
Speaker 1: him a hard time because we didn't trust you yet.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you just you just got here. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're our teammate, but it's our job to talk shit
Speaker 1: every time in practice and put it throw it back
Speaker 1: in your face. You know, we was all talking at
Speaker 1: all times. He throw that over here. Sometimes I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even pick it up. I just backed the mother's bucker.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna throw that bullshit. You know that's a pick.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, William McGinnis is Addy Rabel, I mean Rabel,
Speaker 1: wass man. It is nothing that is off limits, you
Speaker 1: know when it when it comes to you know, Rabel
Speaker 1: in his answer, whatever he might say, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, as long as they ain't. You know, it
Speaker 1: might even be on a borderline personal, you know, for rape.
Speaker 1: You know, he might say something about your mom and
Speaker 1: your sister. I mean, just anything. But that's how he motivated,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and like I said,
Speaker 1: he would just touch that line and back up off
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. Rabel was the
Speaker 1: guy that passing out the damn drinks before practice. Cold
Speaker 1: as hell. We used to have to drive, see Jude,
Speaker 1: you you came in when the when the house was built,
Speaker 1: we had to drive the practice. Man. We in there
Speaker 1: a bunch of like a little bunch of Pop Warner
Speaker 1: kids would show the paths and hammels and benzes and
Speaker 1: ship going to practice. You know, everybody got their little
Speaker 1: Rabel got the flask over. Everybody go take uswigs next thing.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody keeping something in the car. So we
Speaker 1: out there as cold as hell. Cold cold sounds like
Speaker 1: you today. Oh yeah, Mike Rabel, thanks man, you know
Speaker 1: you inspire me. Oh my gosh. I used to be
Speaker 1: in that training room and oh, Jimmy Whalen used to
Speaker 1: tell us all the stories. The stories he tell us,
Speaker 1: the Rabel stories.
Speaker 2: He'd say, Tyla would come in on a Monday, he'd
Speaker 2: go jog the dunkin Donuts, grab his coffee, and then
Speaker 2: jogged back.
Speaker 1: Is that true? What's that story all about? He got
Speaker 1: it a little wrong, But I know he got it
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I ain't jogging the damn dunkin Donuts
Speaker 1: and jog back with a coffee. I used to come
Speaker 1: in every morning to jog. I'll do five miles period,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I did that every
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, people would come in. I'm already
Speaker 1: seeing me on the highway, even if it's snowing. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm jogging. I'm trying to get it in because you
Speaker 1: know my job. We gave this like the cover two shell, right.
Speaker 1: But Bill always say you on your own, so we'd
Speaker 1: roll the coverages as we give a look. But I
Speaker 1: was always, you know, basically man or zone playing man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just had to
Speaker 1: keep myself in that type of shape. And I was
Speaker 1: always one of those guys that can get a little
Speaker 1: fick shell shit. I gotta I gotta keep on I
Speaker 1: gotta keep on running. So I did that every day,
Speaker 1: and then on Thursdays, I ran the whole stadium. So
Speaker 1: I would do that before practice, sure before before, I
Speaker 1: do that before meetings. I'm already lathered up before meetings.
Speaker 1: Some people come in and get a little lift in,
Speaker 1: get breakfast before meetings, or do it in between. I
Speaker 1: came in at six thirty in the morning every day,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking about legit, you know, four
Speaker 1: to five miles, and it was like it's four and
Speaker 1: a half miles. I did with my car, same route
Speaker 1: up and down, and Thursdays, hit the whole state, in
Speaker 1: the whole bottom row. You got to hit every step,
Speaker 1: do the whole run. But Friday, massage, Saturday nothing, game time. Sunday, fucking.
Speaker 3: We had Ernie on, Ernie Adams on. Oh just the
Speaker 3: other day he was saying that Rabes used to wreck
Speaker 3: scout team practice because he'd like be out there calling
Speaker 3: out exactly what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Rabel was gravy. That's why he's such a
Speaker 1: good coach, you know what I mean. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the scout team and they're trying to work on something,
Speaker 1: and that's just Ray being Raye, you know, calling it out,
Speaker 1: you know, just letting the offense know that I know
Speaker 1: what you're about to do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell my boys. But he was always
Speaker 1: coaching out there. But even out on the field, you know,
Speaker 1: Rabo was a coach. Bruski was that quarterback man. It's
Speaker 1: like I always tell people I would I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: where I am today as a as a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer without that. Damn Teddy Bruski. No why, I ain't
Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on. I'm like, who
Speaker 1: I got? Give me him? Brusk be like, hey, Ti,
Speaker 1: you got anymore? We're doing this because I would never
Speaker 1: come into the huddle. So if you watch the you know,
Speaker 1: old films, you will never see me going in the
Speaker 1: huddle and everybody run back to her. Damn it I'm
Speaker 1: too tired. I just ran you know, nine nine nine
Speaker 1: routes because if you're playing bump and run, people would
Speaker 1: always just run you off, you know. Man, So I
Speaker 1: was fade fade. I get so many of them a game,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'll cut the route off and it
Speaker 1: converts to a fade. So Bruski would I would look,
Speaker 1: He'll tell me you got this, you got this. If
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I go like this to brew when
Speaker 1: did I'm tired? He'll call the cover too, just to
Speaker 1: give me a break. And he come back to the
Speaker 1: sideline romos to get on him. Bru What the fuck
Speaker 1: was that? He like, fucking tie was tired, you know,
Speaker 1: and he said it's it's on me, And so I
Speaker 1: was like, thank you, Bruce. You know. So there we
Speaker 1: had that kind of thing where he'll just know, you know,
Speaker 1: if I was blue out, and he'll sit there and
Speaker 1: just do that just to give me a break.
Speaker 2: What a what a guy who's the hardest working guy
Speaker 2: in the defense or is one of those things because
Speaker 2: it was always the saying around the building, and it
Speaker 2: was developed with you guys, is the more you can do.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And it was we all competed. So to
Speaker 1: say who was the hardest worker, you know, I would
Speaker 1: say I was the hardest worker. I think Rodney would
Speaker 1: say he was the hardest worker, Willy, because we even competed.
Speaker 1: Drinking water, man, you had to have a gallon of water.
Speaker 1: And if somebody like Willy, because you know, Willy like
Speaker 1: I'm gaining on you, Rodney Harrison, I'm gaining on you
Speaker 1: taking a sip, stay hydrated. So we do stupid shit
Speaker 1: like that just to compete with one another. So you know,
Speaker 1: we run in the scout team. Have you when you
Speaker 1: came when the scout team is on, we never sat down.
Speaker 1: And just that started with myself, Odi Smith. We started
Speaker 1: that and then next thing, you know, here come the
Speaker 1: rest of the defense. We used to do it because
Speaker 1: we were always telling you we took everything as man coverage.
Speaker 1: We had to run with these guys. I wasn't the
Speaker 1: fastest gull on the block, but I can they run
Speaker 1: the same thing for four quarters. So next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you see the offensive line doing it. Now, Hey Tom,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. You know what I mean. But it started,
Speaker 1: you know, right there. So that's why no one ever
Speaker 1: sat down, And we were like I'm gaining on you.
Speaker 1: If you're not doing that, you got to be doing
Speaker 1: push ups or some shit sitting there. Hey, Jules, I'm
Speaker 1: gaining on you. So guess what you got to drop
Speaker 1: down to do push ups? That's just what it was.
Speaker 1: Is that the mentality that's missing with the Patriots right now?
Speaker 1: Damn right? Who was there to lead them? Who's there
Speaker 1: to show them? Who was there that had the experience?
Speaker 1: And then now when you're talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: great you know, Matthew Slater, moving on, who's who's left now?
Speaker 1: You know you were gone the day exactly. So I mean,
Speaker 1: are they that are that? Are they that vocal? I
Speaker 1: mean when you do you really look at you know,
Speaker 1: you got to have a dominant personality. You gotta have
Speaker 1: to respect amongst the peers. So I think we had
Speaker 1: so many players as time went on that stayed on
Speaker 1: to be able to help you guys, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And then you picked up and you be
Speaker 1: able to help some of the young guys and they're
Speaker 1: going there. But now it's like no one else is there.
Speaker 1: And then when you got Tom Brady is there for
Speaker 1: twenty years. This is the goddamn standard. So It's always
Speaker 1: good when you got your best player, your most popular
Speaker 1: but most respected player, you know, set in a standard,
Speaker 1: working hard, there's no excuses. You know. Tom Brady was
Speaker 1: a goddamn worker. He was a worker. You know, we
Speaker 1: experienced a different Tom. You know, I came in. He
Speaker 1: had three Super Bowls, you know, the supermodel wife, right,
Speaker 1: he was in the the high of the high. You know,
Speaker 1: I never got to see him.
Speaker 2: As one of the boys, you know, so, but he
Speaker 2: was still practicing with the purpose. He would still fly
Speaker 2: out the coach in November that would work on his
Speaker 2: little dumb fundamental drills that like this dude's already a
Speaker 2: twelve year pro. Still is flying out a guy to
Speaker 2: work on his technique, you know, halfway through the season.
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's crazy. He was definitely the constant.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think the Patriots are missing, you know,
Speaker 2: they your best players have to be your hardest workers. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And I learned that when I walked in the door
Speaker 2: with Teddy Brewski and Kevin Falk and Troy Brown was
Speaker 2: always around and then watching the old.
Speaker 1: Film of you guys. I didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: Really, I was a Barry kid, a West Coast kid,
Speaker 2: and I was introduced to it, and I saw by example,
Speaker 2: you know, Teddy Bruski, Kevin Falk, first ones in last
Speaker 2: one's leave, you know, challenging each other at all times,
Speaker 2: practicing hard, doing special teams in there in like their
Speaker 2: fifteenth years, right, you know, I think that mentality has
Speaker 2: definitely been lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's even like, you know, the team, what
Speaker 1: we did was important that we started making it a habit.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys did. You probably did.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the team now, you wonder
Speaker 1: and do they take the team dinners? Do they go
Speaker 1: out you know together, Do y'all take the wide receivers
Speaker 1: out and make the rookies or the young guys pay
Speaker 1: for it? You know what I mean. It's like we
Speaker 1: did stuff like that, and it was team building, so
Speaker 1: we just didn't have to see each other, you know,
Speaker 1: on the field. We understand that it is work. We
Speaker 1: got families, but we made a conscious effort to do
Speaker 1: stuff not only as a dB group, but we did
Speaker 1: stuff as a team. And that's when we started winning.
Speaker 1: We started seeing things change around. That's what became a
Speaker 1: Patriot wave. Even though like the coaches get credit in
Speaker 1: Belichick and Scott them bullshit patriotat started in that locker room. Well,
Speaker 1: I always explained like this, well, first off, in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, that's called bullying. First off, And.
Speaker 2: I go, you know, Bill was Congress right, he made
Speaker 2: the fucking law. But the leaders on the team, we
Speaker 2: were the sheriffs out there and we were fucking patrolling it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't coaches saying shit. It was the guys that
Speaker 2: were making people accountable because everyone was so embarrassed if
Speaker 2: they did something wrong and you were put on that
Speaker 2: Bill low light, you know, because in front of the
Speaker 2: whole team, not just your unit, not just in the
Speaker 2: receiver room, in front.
Speaker 1: Of the whole team.
Speaker 2: So when you're walking down the goddamn hallway, you got
Speaker 2: a defensive guy coming up to you saying you're gonna
Speaker 2: drop that wide route?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that's something that was developed the toughness that I
Speaker 2: think that they've been like they've been lacking. What's your
Speaker 2: best Bill Belichick story?
Speaker 1: All right? Look, okay, okay, well you know what all right?
Speaker 1: Look all right, So it was a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: I was going through you know, some contract, you know,
Speaker 1: some contract stuff before and Bill was like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need to restructure your contract. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it was just gonna be like an extension, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you just save some some cap space
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I was like, you know, okay. But
Speaker 1: after we got it all down, I'm like, man, so
Speaker 1: that's a fucking paint cut. No, ain't saving me no money.
Speaker 1: I don't even got to send my agent this ship,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. But then we
Speaker 1: went through it, and then so he hits me and
Speaker 1: it was a good friend uh you know, on the team.
Speaker 1: I ain't say no names. I can't put it out
Speaker 1: there like that. And he was like, hey, look if
Speaker 1: you don't restructure this, man, we're gonna we have to
Speaker 1: cut your boy. I was like, well, I guess you
Speaker 1: cut ass. I ain't giving your ship, you know. I'm
Speaker 1: like I said, I guess I guess I go tell
Speaker 1: my boy that, hey, brou hey, man, get your nick
Speaker 1: something like that, you know what I mean. But like
Speaker 1: I said, we were well, you know, but that's Bill
Speaker 1: being Bill and out there. So we ended up, uh,
Speaker 1: we end up working out our restructure. I said, Look,
Speaker 1: I don't care about it as long as I'm getting paid.
Speaker 1: The same thing is because I didn't call in and
Speaker 1: try to get no more money. And even though a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff got blown out of proportion, we worked
Speaker 1: it out. I restructured my contract. My dog was still there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and you know, we move on.
Speaker 1: But all we had to do was just we didn't
Speaker 1: even have to go through all that, Oh Bill, you know,
Speaker 1: you know they try to do that and test your lot.
Speaker 1: Coach par Sales tried me when I was a rookie,
Speaker 1: but I, like I like to say, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different breed. I got a mind of
Speaker 1: my own. So now they came in and put me
Speaker 1: at the end Zone. The end Zone was even better,
Speaker 1: but it was still shitty when you was there, right
Speaker 1: the End Zone Hotel. I lived there for a couple
Speaker 1: of months, but when I came for my visit was myself,
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin. They ended up drapping both of us. You
Speaker 1: know how you just go on the business they want
Speaker 1: to talk to your interview and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: Coach par Sales brought me into the office and say, look,
Speaker 1: hey man, we like you, but we don't like who
Speaker 1: you got representing. You. He'sy you know those uh, those
Speaker 1: posting brothers. Man. He said, I can't draft you with that.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there myself. You know, people had me
Speaker 1: traject to go to the Detroit Lions at at number
Speaker 1: I think they had the twenty first pick of the draft.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting like, you know what, after what I've
Speaker 1: seen looking at Foxboro Stadium and seeing all these trailer
Speaker 1: parks up here, and sh I'm like, man, okay, that
Speaker 1: made me keep my agent even more because I ain't
Speaker 1: man y'all. You couldn't even put me in a Marriotte.
Speaker 1: You couldn't put me. You know, I'm thinking, I'm about
Speaker 1: to go to the league, you know, rich, get some
Speaker 1: room service and some ship like that. Man, bruh. I
Speaker 1: was not trying to come to the win just because
Speaker 1: of that. But when he told me, But when he
Speaker 1: told me that, what he tried to do is get
Speaker 1: into you know, a young guy's head. See what you
Speaker 1: think that's the divide and conquer, you know, mentality, saying
Speaker 1: that you know you might want to draft me. You
Speaker 1: know I don't know that, but you think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Was fired my agent just because of what you said,
Speaker 1: even if I had my agent and I'm with you
Speaker 1: and you don't want to get the deal, now you
Speaker 1: need to know that that's not happening. So he my
Speaker 1: agent brought it up to Bill par Sales, and Bill
Speaker 1: was like, well I had to try because hey, this
Speaker 1: wasn't and I got you know, at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a nice rookie deal, you know, which was
Speaker 1: I got equivalent to like the seventeenth pick, even though
Speaker 1: I was a twenty third pick. And then of course
Speaker 1: when you know, when it was time to you know,
Speaker 1: really get paid, you know, for it was the highest
Speaker 1: paid defensive back in the in the league. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a production business exactly exactly. Business, yeah exactly, you
Speaker 1: get paid, you get that production, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Now you got the old Bill Okie Doe corner trick
Speaker 2: where you know he used to try to do that
Speaker 2: to me all the time in contract talk stuff. Well
Speaker 2: you know, he'd see in the cafeteria, look come over here,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, what's up, coach, how you doing?
Speaker 2: And I would just play dumb. He's like, look, you know,
Speaker 2: we got an agent. You got you tell your agent
Speaker 2: something I tell why don't we just do something right here,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I know he's just
Speaker 2: play a coach. I'm like domb with numbers and ship.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you know?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: You gonna get you in here the same goddamn contract,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what the fuck I'm signing.
Speaker 1: But that's funny that he tried to Oki. Do you
Speaker 1: try to go me twice? That's the Bill, want to
Speaker 1: give you one more? That's here? It okay, since we
Speaker 1: out did and everything going now, so now now I
Speaker 1: had a in my contract. Oh god, damn it. Shot
Speaker 1: clock clock clock. I mean, we're talking, Bill, you gotta go.
Speaker 1: We gotta shot toast. I gotta say this. You know.
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Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A portion of every
Speaker 1: bottle that I sell goes back to the old school guys,
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famers that wasn't as fortunate as you
Speaker 1: know what I mean to be able to make money
Speaker 1: because they had to get jobs in the off seasons.
Speaker 1: So they really played for the love of the game.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they if ever fell on hard
Speaker 1: times or something like that, you you got to take
Speaker 1: care of the fathers, fathers exactly. And if they're passed on,
Speaker 1: you know, you know the fund, we help their widows
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Speaker 2: Oh, Jimmy whalers to watch this be talking ship. I know,
Speaker 2: you get a Texas Jimmy be watching this ship. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: real pineapple, grill pineapple.
Speaker 1: And we got about to we about to mess with
Speaker 1: Bill a little bits. We love them, we love them.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, yeah, it tastes the grill. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just on the grill, right, so it's a little different, right.
Speaker 1: So uh so this is what we drinking. Now, we
Speaker 1: started off concentrating in New England, but this is the lick.
Speaker 1: So let's go to Bill's ass, right, So as we
Speaker 1: drinking and thinking shit, all right, So Bill I had
Speaker 1: a contract, so of course you know, he came you know,
Speaker 1: from the Jessie you know, and at the time I
Speaker 1: was the only person on the roster that was still
Speaker 1: in the Pete Carroll's contract. So I signed a big deal.
Speaker 1: I was with Pete. You know, Pete really went to
Speaker 1: bat and like I said, I earned my shit. But
Speaker 1: I was under that contract. So you know how it is,
Speaker 1: Delly can touch your contract once. Once they touch it,
Speaker 1: you can't touch it for the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They would try to avoid me,
Speaker 1: like to play it. So next to Drew, I was next,
Speaker 1: but they would go to everybody else because they knew,
Speaker 1: you know at the time that I don't come mess
Speaker 1: with me about this shit, that that's not happening. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I had a a bonus in my contract where I
Speaker 1: get X amount of dollars if I come and make weight.
Speaker 1: And I had a reporting bone this. So I had
Speaker 1: a reporting bonus, you know, because it's like you had
Speaker 1: a weight you had a weight clause. Huh No, that's
Speaker 1: what's part of my reporting was I I gotta come
Speaker 1: on time, make weight past the conditioning test. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: all got that exactly. I got a million dollars from
Speaker 1: mind workout bonus million bucks. No, that was reporting bonus.
Speaker 1: My workout bonus was a hundred thousand, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's what just in case they catch you, Just in
Speaker 1: case they catch you, this save a mil Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they know you could do it. So that was enough
Speaker 1: to come in and like I said, I was going
Speaker 1: to pass the conditioning. Say, I'll give a damn if
Speaker 1: I had to sit in the soign for fifty hours straight,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that damn bonus, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it was one hundred thousands. So you know when
Speaker 1: I came in, I got the uh. I came in
Speaker 1: and got my checks, you know what I mean. At
Speaker 1: the time, you know, you got direct direct deposit, but
Speaker 1: you get your receipt. So I got I got one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's my damn where my other? With my
Speaker 1: little hundred thousand net. So of course, you know, I
Speaker 1: go down, they say, I go upstairs, and they say
Speaker 1: you gotta go talk to Bill. I'm like, well, Ship, okay,
Speaker 1: hey Bill, well I missed one hundred thousand. And he
Speaker 1: was like, well, he said, we didn't talk this year.
Speaker 1: I said, we're talking about because I went to Bob Cursey,
Speaker 1: you know, the great Bob Cursey Olympic you know, gold
Speaker 1: medal winning coach. I trained with him. I never stayed
Speaker 1: in the off season, you know, for the program. So
Speaker 1: you know, I got under my contract as long as
Speaker 1: it was approved by the head coach of GM, which
Speaker 1: it always was, I get both checks. So he said,
Speaker 1: we didn't talk this year because we talked last year because,
Speaker 1: like I said, he was fairly new to it and
Speaker 1: he approved it. It was fine. So I was just assume
Speaker 1: it's like that every year. I was. I signed this
Speaker 1: ship when you was a jet. You remember you was
Speaker 1: a jet when I when I signed this contract. So
Speaker 1: when you came here this we talked jet for you guys.
Speaker 1: That's a little child. Yes, yes, profession exact, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So now he said there, He's like no, I'm like
Speaker 1: Bill Man, all right. So I called my financial advisor.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, did that million clear yet? Not yet?
Speaker 1: So you know, I went out, I left and I
Speaker 1: came back. So Bill know me, So I'm coming back
Speaker 1: in and bearsh He was like hey, he said, he's
Speaker 1: in there. Bill had my contracts sitting on He had
Speaker 1: my contracts sitting on his laid out, laid out, highlighted.
Speaker 1: He had to shit highlighted, saying hey, it has to
Speaker 1: be approved of this da da dada language. I'm like
Speaker 1: and it was always approved. You was a fucking jit.
Speaker 1: He said, well, Andy Wiser, Chuck, it's no longer GM,
Speaker 1: and I'm the head coach, and I say nothing fine.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I just took my
Speaker 1: ass to the locker room, got my stuff out the thing,
Speaker 1: and I walked on out. I was gone for three days.
Speaker 1: See it what no social media and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I was gone for three days, bro, And finally
Speaker 1: got the call because they got to call you and say,
Speaker 1: and this is doing training camp. But I know in
Speaker 1: training camp you cannot find me more than twelve hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a day. So as far it was one thousand
Speaker 1: dollars day at the time. Twenty now, huh twenty grand
Speaker 1: oh yeah, unexcused absence. Yeah, so it was it was
Speaker 1: a thous It was like it was it was it
Speaker 1: was it five thousand? Was it five thousand? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was five thousand. So I said, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: I got twenty practices. I'll be back at at UH
Speaker 1: on day twenty one to get that six million salary.
Speaker 1: I'll be back for that. But if I'm lose on
Speaker 1: a hunred thousand'ma lose this shit legit. So I was
Speaker 1: I was gone, you know what I mean. So eventually
Speaker 1: Bears called me down the phone. Bring your ass down here,
Speaker 1: all right, I said, Bill, want my money? He said,
Speaker 1: you come down here. We talk about that ship later.
Speaker 1: So I go with principles off. He told me to
Speaker 1: come to go to the game because we were playing
Speaker 1: down in Washington. So you didn't practice all camp, No
Speaker 1: I did. I was gone for three days. I left
Speaker 1: three days is because guess what? Because what the million cleared? Okay,
Speaker 1: that was clear, that was in the bank. So as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, I got one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: right here. That's out there, and to me where I
Speaker 1: come from, that's a lot of goddamn money. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Anyway. That's the kind that you don't
Speaker 1: get a financial advisor get hing a million, but you
Speaker 1: keep one hundred thousand yourself. You know, dud dude, you
Speaker 1: gotta do you know, that's the pocket change at that time.
Speaker 1: You know, when you get there's a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but two things. So, like I said, where I come from,
Speaker 1: that's life changing. So for me, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not that guy. I'm gonna leave and I'll be back.
Speaker 1: But they also had the status of who I was too,
Speaker 1: so I knew that as well. So do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. So I left. He called me, get your
Speaker 1: ass on the plane. We go on the wall. I
Speaker 1: think we was washing pre season. He didn't start me.
Speaker 1: He put me in with the goddamn scrubs, bro Will
Speaker 1: Willing and everybody hot dogs on sideline and ship. So
Speaker 1: he puts me in. So now all the guys on
Speaker 1: the other side, they're really going, you know, they trying
Speaker 1: to make thee. I'm getting cut and all out, like man,
Speaker 1: you know, they Willing. It was clown and laughing. Right.
Speaker 1: So we comes back and next day he had to
Speaker 1: come in on Monday. I didn't even take my stuff off.
Speaker 1: I was at the I was at the table eating breakfast,
Speaker 1: steal my clothes on. You know. Bill came, but I
Speaker 1: would the envelope. He said to me, like fucking asshole.
Speaker 1: So I was like, open up the check. Eighty five
Speaker 1: thousand adopted me three days freaking Bill, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: that's Bill for you. Though. Yeah, he dopped me this
Speaker 1: fucking three days man. So I mean, but we like said,
Speaker 1: we got a great relationship and the respect from there,
Speaker 1: But it was just at the time I wasn't the one.
Speaker 1: I made sure that she was clear though. Man, but
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta put your foot down sometime. Now.
Speaker 2: How was what was the similarities and differences between him
Speaker 2: and Parcels and Pete Carroll and and.
Speaker 1: What was to you? And then you went to the
Speaker 1: jets and you went to the chiefs? How was his ship?
Speaker 1: How was that? Man? I tell you what you know,
Speaker 1: come in and get different. What made Parcels different? Is
Speaker 1: you know it was a well I'm gonna start with Parcels.
Speaker 1: That's what drafted me. So Parsales was the master manipulator
Speaker 1: when it comes to the mind and like you like,
Speaker 1: he'll make you so pissed off psychologically, he'll you'll run
Speaker 1: to run through a wall. You want to prove to
Speaker 1: him that he told me. He told me I was
Speaker 1: gonna be the first first round of the NFL history.
Speaker 1: You get cut in training camp, Like, what the that
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the He called me to the side.
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, right now, you're working on being the
Speaker 1: first first round or in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1: To get cut in the middle of training camp I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there like in my stupid ass, you know at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, just being me from out coball like, well,
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, you know, come on, whoop
Speaker 1: all the ad do what you gotta do. Stupid, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But that's just that, that's that's
Speaker 1: just who I was, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then eventually, you know, he was like, uh man, he
Speaker 1: was the bestie, but he always rolled me. And it
Speaker 1: was one particular game where now it established myself as
Speaker 1: kind of a physical and aggressive, and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, you got everybody scared of you out there, right,
Speaker 1: but this week this guy's gonna kick your ass. So
Speaker 1: he was talking about Michael Irving was going down to
Speaker 1: play the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irvan I think he
Speaker 1: had just hit you know, Like I said, Nias Williams
Speaker 1: the one of the greatest, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: look up to Nia's trained women. But he gave he
Speaker 1: gave Nias the business, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was like nine catches something like like two hundred some
Speaker 1: yards and shit, I'm like damn. So Parcelles challenged me saying,
Speaker 1: if he do that, didn Nias Williams because he said,
Speaker 1: you're damn sure knowing Nias Williams. You know that's what
Speaker 1: Parceles told me. He gonna kick your ass. But guess
Speaker 1: what I'm putting you on him? You know you think
Speaker 1: you good? So man when out there ended up having
Speaker 1: two picks. You know, think got Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Week all that stuff. But I wasn't even thinking about
Speaker 1: playing you know, Michael and the challenge him. I was
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking I got to prove Parceales wrong for
Speaker 1: fucking with me. You know, I'm gonna show you that
Speaker 1: I'm not the one. And I had to take it
Speaker 1: out on Michael at the time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: That's how my mentality was. But Belichick, you know that's
Speaker 1: how he got the best out of here. Belichick, He's
Speaker 1: gonna sit you down because he was my dB coach,
Speaker 1: which I loved, by the way, because you had to
Speaker 1: do the least amount of studying when he's your coach.
Speaker 1: Because he done did it all. Everything that he say
Speaker 1: is going to happen is going to happen. It's going
Speaker 1: to be one of two things. And what I really
Speaker 1: fell and loved with the way he coached. He was
Speaker 1: my dB coach. We're playing the Saints. He said, look,
Speaker 1: if they line up in this formation, tight end, here
Speaker 1: guy on the top of the numbers. If he's lined
Speaker 1: up on the top of the numbers, he's going to
Speaker 1: do a curl. And my thing was, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be on the wrong any highlights. What if you
Speaker 1: run a curl and go, He's not going to do it.
Speaker 1: If you run a curl and go, it's on me.
Speaker 1: So I said, shit, seeing a formation is coming, damn
Speaker 1: Sure enough, he did exactly that, came in, jumped in
Speaker 1: front of it, pick and it was like shit. So
Speaker 1: now when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a
Speaker 1: great position mentally that you went into the game so
Speaker 1: confident and saying that if anything happens, put it on him.
Speaker 1: But guaranteed this is going to happen. And that's how
Speaker 1: he was as a coach. So when he left and
Speaker 1: came back, we thinking like, that's our boy. Man. Me
Speaker 1: and lawyer called him illegally, I might add, you know
Speaker 1: at the time, because we ain't supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: contact him and stuff like that. But that was our guy,
Speaker 1: that was our coach. So when he came back. Man,
Speaker 1: we were so happy. And then when Bill walked in,
Speaker 1: the Bill and were trying to go do like the
Speaker 1: group hug type of he the head coach. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: Bill done got a new chick and got brand new
Speaker 1: and shit, but they done got brand new. It ain't
Speaker 1: the same. But now you have to realize, and it
Speaker 1: took us a minute that he's not our coach anymore.
Speaker 1: He's our coach and he has to sit there and
Speaker 1: you know, treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way.
Speaker 1: But what he does from a game plan perspective, I've
Speaker 1: never been with another coach or another organization that is
Speaker 1: that prepared at all times. And he made you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable even his adjustments. This is what we're gonna do, Bam.
Speaker 1: You just gotta be smart. In training camp, we will
Speaker 1: see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We
Speaker 1: going back to some training camp. You got to like
Speaker 1: what we ain't played that since training camp. But for
Speaker 1: this particular game or we're going at halftime, he comes back.
Speaker 1: This is what it is. So I think that separates
Speaker 1: a Bill from everyone else. It's his adjustments and how
Speaker 1: he looks at the game. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: from offense defensively. He used to have to leave to
Speaker 1: help Charlie Weiss. He would leave our defense to mean
Speaker 1: we be in our bardamnself. Ain't nobody getting coached because
Speaker 1: he up just telling the offense what the other defense
Speaker 1: is doing. He had to leave the meeting so many
Speaker 1: times just to go up there and help the offense
Speaker 1: by looking at the defense. He was that much of
Speaker 1: a genius when it comes to a football mind. Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: I like Pete. Pete gave me the bag. He puss
Speaker 1: for me to get the back. But he was a
Speaker 1: dB guy. But I think his personality didn't mesh well
Speaker 1: with a lot of other guys because we all interviewed.
Speaker 1: I interviewed because I ain't nobody who's gonna hire a Belichick.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I like Pete. So when they
Speaker 1: came down Bobby Greer and all that gym, you know scrap,
Speaker 1: I was like, man. We went to the playoffs, I
Speaker 1: felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean I did. I gave up a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I was sick to who I think it was one
Speaker 1: of the best ever. When it comes to me, you know,
Speaker 1: matching up that Damn Jimmy Smith was an animal bro. I
Speaker 1: just want to put that out there. So but Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll Man, the happy, gold lucky guy that just didn't
Speaker 1: sit well with the rest of his guys because no
Speaker 1: matter what, come on, guys, don't you feel it? Don't
Speaker 1: you feel it? Yeah? You know, he was like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, coming from parts exactly, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: This guy's smacking his gums saying name exactly. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a totally different energy, you know. And then
Speaker 1: you get back to Bill's in that similar similar, more
Speaker 1: similar to yourselfselves, you know, and Bill, don't be wrong.
Speaker 1: He wanted outside of business. Me and Bill ain't never
Speaker 1: had a problem outside of contract and business, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you got to understand we're all
Speaker 1: independent contracts. You know that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're on the team. But when we're talking about this
Speaker 1: and we have discrepancies about this, he has to work
Speaker 1: for himself in the organization. You have to work for
Speaker 1: yourself as an individual, you know, as eight because hey,
Speaker 1: it's short lived, you know what I mean. But drink
Speaker 1: what you're he gonna gonna have a beer? What you're
Speaker 1: he gonna laugh, have a good time, and that's you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bill's a computer where like if he's doing work,
Speaker 2: he's just thinking about work.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that.
Speaker 2: He was always that I always liked with he was
Speaker 2: honest with you, right, which he would try to be
Speaker 2: a little overly honest just to prove his point on
Speaker 2: certain things. Look, I'm not gonna pay you fucking ten
Speaker 2: million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fucking thirty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're not gonna be able to walk
Speaker 1: in through. Yeah, he will tell you, he tell you,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: But what you said about him preparing a team and
Speaker 2: and saying it's gonna be on me if it doesn't
Speaker 2: go this way, there are countless times where you remember
Speaker 2: he'd have those team meetings because it's probably the same
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 1: Give you the keys.
Speaker 2: Look, fellas, we just need to do this, this.
Speaker 1: This, and if we do that, this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: We'd sit there and be listening to ship and then
Speaker 2: you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film.
Speaker 1: Everything that he said happened, right, and exactly how he
Speaker 1: said exactly I'm saying he took he took that. He
Speaker 1: made it easier to do your job because he did
Speaker 1: all the hard work. A lot of guys don't want
Speaker 1: to study that film. So you basically got a coach
Speaker 1: as a walking cheat sheet. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You can go ask him anything out of the blue.
Speaker 1: He gonna already know what it is. I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: like it's at a point where like, how do you
Speaker 1: know all that you watched us? You? You hear offensive
Speaker 1: guys asking him stuff, and I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: got time to do all this shit and know all this?
Speaker 1: He's one hundred percent of the cheat sheet, but he's
Speaker 1: an asshole cheat sheet. But I loved him. He was
Speaker 1: an asshole. Yeah, but if you if you talk, I've.
Speaker 2: Been telling everyone, if you talk to anyone that's in
Speaker 2: their thirties, forties or or higher, not one guy like
Speaker 2: their football coach. No one's liked your full you love them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I never liked my coach. Who the fuck to like
Speaker 2: a guy that makes you run up a goddamn hill
Speaker 2: to walk through for a fucking walk through for another
Speaker 2: walkthrough to go and fucking do these dumb drills. We're
Speaker 2: doing tackling drills in the Super Bowl weekue.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck? Yeah, you don't like it, but we want,
Speaker 1: but we want And when you win, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. That's the way, that's the way it
Speaker 1: is when you win. But if you go out there
Speaker 1: and you're not being successful when you're losing, that becomes
Speaker 1: a problem. But I got a question for you, Jewles,
Speaker 1: because you know you came in he was at a
Speaker 1: quarterback and then your receiver, and you're developing and you
Speaker 1: becoming like the top receiver you know on the Patriots
Speaker 1: coming from a quarterback. You know, how was that transition
Speaker 1: for you? Like? Who helped you, who inspired you? Did
Speaker 1: you think you can do it?
Speaker 2: That was a tough transition, and especially because you know
Speaker 2: specifically how hard camps are and we still had double days.
Speaker 2: When I got in right, I felt like I was
Speaker 2: getting cut every day because everything was so new. One
Speaker 2: of the greatest things for me was to have Chad
Speaker 2: o'sha as my football coach, my receivers coach. He was
Speaker 2: like a king psychologist, great guy of information that you know,
Speaker 2: would give you everything that you needed to prepare you.
Speaker 2: But I would sit and watch film and I would
Speaker 2: take mental reps. When Wes Welker was in front of me.
Speaker 2: When you know, looking at Randy Moss even though he's
Speaker 2: a different body type, but being able to see his
Speaker 2: late hands on a stacking a defender, like these guys
Speaker 2: are playing through your hands, but you could steal that
Speaker 2: even though I'm not him, you know, trying to take
Speaker 2: from every rep and it was. It was fucking crazy tough,
Speaker 2: but like because the environment I was in, working hard
Speaker 2: and doing extra and and living at the facility, that
Speaker 2: was like that's what I thought was normal.
Speaker 1: So like, I don't know, it took me. It took
Speaker 1: me time to really because I was always really gifted
Speaker 1: with the ball in my hand, like I could always
Speaker 1: make people miss in space.
Speaker 2: It took me a while to learn how to run routes.
Speaker 2: I needed the experience. It was the practice. It was
Speaker 2: like every practice. Scottie O'Brien was my special team's coordinator,
Speaker 2: which I had to make myself valuable by returning punch.
Speaker 1: So that's what you feel like you made the team
Speaker 1: was on your special team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, returning punts and on kickoff, you know, and being
Speaker 2: one of those guys that could back up guys but
Speaker 2: also be a coarse special team, right, I had to
Speaker 2: create value to stay on the team. But he would
Speaker 2: always say this, I coming after a fucking practice all
Speaker 2: bummed out because I fucked something up and got yelled at.
Speaker 2: And he'd always say, you know, a play, whether good
Speaker 2: or bad, is a bit of experience, meaning that bad play.
Speaker 1: Remember that.
Speaker 2: The great players, the good players, they remember those bad
Speaker 2: plays and they use it. So like when I would
Speaker 2: run a when I was doing one on one incuts
Speaker 2: or something we were playing. We were doing one on
Speaker 2: one drills and I'd run I didn't know how to
Speaker 2: run incuts at the time. I was giving my ship
Speaker 2: up at the top of the route and dropping my
Speaker 2: weight and DB's you guys read that and just fucking
Speaker 2: breaking undercut. And so I remember I got undercutt in
Speaker 2: and I was pissed. And after I heard that, on
Speaker 2: my outbreaking route I made, I made that same move
Speaker 2: where I was gonna do like the incut, which the
Speaker 2: guy undercut.
Speaker 1: It and I broke out.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just stacking things together and having
Speaker 2: mental toughness to be able to to literally go through
Speaker 2: just the fucking beaten up of you know, the coaching
Speaker 2: and the grind of an NFL season. And the couple
Speaker 2: reps you get making those reps work, and then you know,
Speaker 2: one thing led to another where I got more opportunity.
Speaker 2: Gronk got hurt, Aaron Hernandez killed somebody. They had to
Speaker 2: lean on me.
Speaker 1: And at all, I'm just saying, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a compliment to be able to say. I'm used
Speaker 1: to you know, Okay, I got the ball in my hand.
Speaker 1: You know you can do that. But you said, it's
Speaker 1: a art, it's a skill. You have to work to
Speaker 1: be able to run a route, to sell it right
Speaker 1: and then catch the damn ball. You throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that's just to make the team,
Speaker 1: and not only make the team, but they had the
Speaker 1: success that you've had and the impact that you had
Speaker 1: on the game. Man, brouh Hey, that's commendable, man, it's
Speaker 1: much respect. I always say that dude's a dog, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I said that, dude's a dog.
Speaker 1: Would love to play with you, man, awesome to play
Speaker 1: with you. We're gonna go to fuck out in practice. Though,
Speaker 1: that's also what made me better. Me too, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that type of party.
Speaker 2: No, that's also what made me really really a lot
Speaker 2: better is when we when we signed keep to lead m.
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was like my fourth year
Speaker 2: or something, just going on one on him, and then
Speaker 2: we signed Reeve and you know how practices are, we
Speaker 2: were we were going on ones every day, right, and
Speaker 2: so I got to learn, I got to get you know,
Speaker 2: I learned what made him not like shit, and I learned,
Speaker 2: you know, what I had to do to get open
Speaker 2: on certain things those practice.
Speaker 1: Was the most patient corner ever, patient and a long,
Speaker 1: strong as ship. He had a long.
Speaker 2: Arm, but he had a short base. So usually you
Speaker 2: know there's corners that are tall corners that you get
Speaker 2: them running sideways. You know they can't get out rady.
Speaker 2: But he was like one of those swimmer built type
Speaker 2: guys where he had a long upper body but a
Speaker 2: short lower body, and he always was on balance. So
Speaker 2: he was very patient line scrimmageing and a crazy offhand jam.
Speaker 2: And his offhand jam usually you get like a corner
Speaker 2: of his size. He wasn't like a big big.
Speaker 1: Guy who's five eleven handed, heavy handed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. He had a heavy hand, so he got you.
Speaker 2: But sometimes when a dB would give you that off
Speaker 2: hand jam if you were to grind through it and
Speaker 2: get through it, they're out of position. Sometimes he was
Speaker 2: never out of position. And then he'd also know, like
Speaker 2: what you just said, when when you were preparing and
Speaker 2: you saw that tight end here and the guy on
Speaker 2: the split here, you identified formation and it gave you
Speaker 2: subconscious reaction. He would go out and he would be
Speaker 2: able to call play just by the situation and our formation, which.
Speaker 1: We all know our plays, but like he was doing
Speaker 1: that the games too. Yeah, he was something special.
Speaker 2: And then Gilmour came and you know, it was also
Speaker 2: great to compete against him.
Speaker 1: So I would say my.
Speaker 2: Development as a receiver was through the practice, through the
Speaker 2: psychology of Chad O'shay, through watching Wes Welker and how
Speaker 2: he practiced, watching the film of Troy Brown Dion Branch.
Speaker 2: I would watch their film. I wanted to see the
Speaker 2: guys catching the balls in this system and we had that.
Speaker 2: So that and then practicing against the great players that
Speaker 2: we had because practice was so fucking hard.
Speaker 1: You know, we practiced hard right Hey. By the way,
Speaker 1: you know, I want some money off you, man. I
Speaker 1: din't ever get to tell you thank you. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I bet on it like I was like, who going,
Speaker 1: Who's gonna it? Was the bookie me wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the legit shate. We didn't have all that. Look, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do all that. It was. It
Speaker 1: was just it was just a bat like get the MVP.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting like, you know what time I said you
Speaker 1: can hey, I was like, man, hell with it. It
Speaker 1: was something that like it was so some crazy odds
Speaker 1: and I'm saying like all right, fine, man, I got
Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars, damn number I'm putting on. I'm putting
Speaker 1: it on the element to get the m v P.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean like, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like m v P quarterback, he got to
Speaker 1: really mess it up sometime not to get it. Because
Speaker 1: if they have any type of decent game, you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the m v P. Man. So you know,
Speaker 1: I took a took a chance on your man, putting
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars down there, got eleven grand about
Speaker 1: the deal.
Speaker 4: Donald this year money on Sam Donald for MVP this
Speaker 4: year one.
Speaker 1: To get hurt.
Speaker 4: That's that was the bet three hundred and one on
Speaker 4: Sam Darnald for Yo.
Speaker 1: So I got one for you too, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, I know we had to be talking shop man,
Speaker 1: but I know you could still play when you left
Speaker 1: the game, look like you can still play now. What
Speaker 1: was the deciding factor was saying, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna walk away.
Speaker 2: I could still play, It's just I couldn't play consistently.
Speaker 2: And by my last year before the season, while we
Speaker 2: were training, I tore the root of my meniscus and
Speaker 2: that's what holds your meniscus down. And they came up
Speaker 2: to me and they go, we could do like a
Speaker 2: microfracture surgery where it's a twelve month recovery I was
Speaker 2: thirty four, or you could try to play with it
Speaker 2: and we'll just treat it. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's try to do that. I couldn't walk until Saturday
Speaker 2: after a game. Like the next the following Saturday, I
Speaker 2: would get two three plays at practice just because it
Speaker 2: was it was so raw and it was.
Speaker 1: So new, there was no scarring.
Speaker 2: And we went into a season right away with the
Speaker 2: fucking shitty injury. I was just mentally fucking drained, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And the little things that were
Speaker 2: my great parts of my game weren't easy anymore.
Speaker 1: I had to like do ship. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: look the same on film. I couldn't practice the way
Speaker 1: I wanted to practice, and so like I was like
Speaker 1: fuck that, you know, and it just I mean, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't run, bro And then you know, two years,
Speaker 2: like a year after you retire, you know, things start healing,
Speaker 2: you start feeling great. I still stay in shape, but
Speaker 2: I'm not in football shape.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know football shape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what when guys talking about they can still go
Speaker 1: out there and play, I mean, it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: come on, man, I could go play four or five,
Speaker 1: I could go play twenty plays.
Speaker 3: Says that like every week I can't get I can
Speaker 3: still play.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no. And the thing is it's different when like,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like you know, to yo, man,
Speaker 1: he's a freaking nature. He's a freaking nature. But to
Speaker 1: say to go out there and play football, I doubt
Speaker 1: that to you because it's it's just learning how to
Speaker 1: fall again. Man, I can't even fall and going down
Speaker 1: to slowing down, but falling, it's an art to knowing
Speaker 1: how to fall when you get tired. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to fall them. Why I slip this shit
Speaker 1: hurt now? Man, I don't even know how to catch
Speaker 1: myself break myself.
Speaker 2: And your body can't fall like it used to, like
Speaker 2: when you used to when you're fucking twenty in your
Speaker 2: twenties and early thirties or twenties, you fall down at
Speaker 2: the full speed you get up like after the years
Speaker 2: and years of compounding injuries, you fall down.
Speaker 1: Your body's like, we can't do that right now exactly.
Speaker 3: And you know you've got no life alert blazelet on
Speaker 3: the practice.
Speaker 1: Of breaking like, hey, do you miss it? I missed
Speaker 1: the practice.
Speaker 2: I miss the preparation in the officeas I miss having
Speaker 2: something to do always. You know, you got to create
Speaker 2: your own routine. I miss like you know, the fellas.
Speaker 1: In fighting against Patrick Chung in practice and fucking fighting
Speaker 1: Gilmour on his first day as a Patriot because we
Speaker 1: used to battle when he was a bill.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, like I missed that ship. Who did
Speaker 2: you ever fight in practice?
Speaker 1: Or who is the battle? Who did you battle with?
Speaker 1: Patton Brown? You know what? You know me? You know Patton?
Speaker 1: You know it was like man like pat was the
Speaker 1: type of guy. You know. Yeah, he the guy that
Speaker 1: you know you just didn't even want to swear around.
Speaker 1: He was just a good dude. Man. You know Patton
Speaker 1: come around, it's like, you know, here come the pastor
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We can't say what we
Speaker 1: want to say. We can't talk about no girls, we
Speaker 1: can't say that, we can't drop the F word, we
Speaker 1: can't do nothing around Patton. He had just that type
Speaker 1: of you know, respect and but me and Troy, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. It was sometime we'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: how you feel the day though? We're going We're going
Speaker 1: hard today, you know what I mean, And we'll go hard.
Speaker 1: Sometime we'd be like, yo, man, let's make it look good.
Speaker 1: Got the buddy system going on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That depends it all depends on the day. But when
Speaker 1: it was time to work, you know, it was time
Speaker 1: to work, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So who are the who are the receivers you loved
Speaker 2: going against in the league? I mean I was we
Speaker 2: were watching doing the research. I mean you picked one
Speaker 2: when you were getting t o Irvin. I mean your
Speaker 2: years that you played because you were also in you
Speaker 2: know the bruces and this, but you got like you
Speaker 2: picked off Dan Marino, Yeah, you picked off Steve Young.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly, so
Speaker 1: you know, and then you're also picking off Peyton like
Speaker 1: your most picks came from Peyton Manning. But like my
Speaker 1: longest interception was off Tom. Though that takes sense football
Speaker 1: was a little thick with it, but you know I
Speaker 1: got it, you know, but in that year, you know what,
Speaker 1: New York. But it was one of those things. And
Speaker 1: that's what makes the greats great because like after the
Speaker 1: you know game and Bill, when we were walking into halftime,
Speaker 1: you know, same thing, he came in, fucking asshole, you know,
Speaker 1: just as a joke, you know, you know, still it's
Speaker 1: still still all love. But Tom, in the next day
Speaker 1: you're like, what did you see? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: got play with your ass full out on line. Why
Speaker 1: would you do the same thing? You know on me?
Speaker 1: Like it was a movement, cause it was one of
Speaker 1: those plays where it was givings. First of all, it
Speaker 1: was ain't about to run past me anyway, even though
Speaker 1: I was, even if I was, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: worry about him running past you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1: But he did one of those short motions, and you
Speaker 1: know how come half we start our way out there.
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be an outcut. And soon
Speaker 1: as I say, Tom looked the other way and gave
Speaker 1: that you know that it was like a little fake.
Speaker 1: It was a half ass fake, which that was not
Speaker 1: like you're coming off really throwing the ball. So as
Speaker 1: he did that, I just stopped in my tracks. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: he coming right here, and and he threw it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I told him that,
Speaker 1: but it really bothered him and it messed with him,
Speaker 1: and he called me because, like I said, it was great,
Speaker 1: you know, always the friendship and the love is still there.
Speaker 1: And like Peyton, same thing. We gets over to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, Peyton gonna try to fill you up with
Speaker 1: damn drinks, you know, but guess what, it's some football coming.
Speaker 1: So so what did you think? And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't stupid Payton. I'm still from the hood, don't
Speaker 1: get I know. I know what you're doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're like, look at all these girls out here, and
Speaker 1: but katies and ship, we ain't talking about no football, man.
Speaker 3: We we the sights I've heard he's like the mayor
Speaker 3: of the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no. Paydon is great, like I said,
Speaker 1: he's gonna feed you the drinks and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good time. But if he curious about something in football,
Speaker 1: because look, that's the competitive edge, you don't never take it,
Speaker 1: you know, personal, because we all you know, you know,
Speaker 1: great friends, hall of Fame teammates, you know now, but
Speaker 1: you know at that time it bothered Tom and it
Speaker 1: bothered you know, Peyton that they made a mistake or
Speaker 1: they let you get one or what was you saying
Speaker 1: on this one man? And I respect it, you know,
Speaker 1: always trying to get that always always trying to get
Speaker 1: this receiver to cover Y Smith, I say, Jimmy Smith,
Speaker 1: because man, he was so strong, he was so fast,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I considered myself that a bully
Speaker 1: because I ain't trying to run with you all day
Speaker 1: if I ain't got you, even though I can, but
Speaker 1: I rather sit and fight. So you know, they talk
Speaker 1: about matchups. Jimmy Smith was one of those guys that
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, intimidate because he can run as
Speaker 1: fast as any receiving the league. He was strong, he
Speaker 1: was tough, you know what I mean. So that one
Speaker 1: right there is like you knew that you had to
Speaker 1: come to work, you know. And I love to play
Speaker 1: against him because it was a great challenge. The people
Speaker 1: that I didn't like to play against all the time
Speaker 1: is people like yo, ass, they just running just quick,
Speaker 1: you know, for no damn reason, like you know, like
Speaker 1: they just running. And then the option routes. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that inside the option route. I'm trying to get you
Speaker 1: right now. But that kind of stuff right there too.
Speaker 1: Small guys. It's like, man, give me a big guy,
Speaker 1: give me, give me, give him, give me Keyshawan, give me,
Speaker 1: give me Moss, you know what I mean, give me,
Speaker 1: give me something like that, you know, Michael Irving, I
Speaker 1: like Jay Rice, I like that, But chasing guys like you, man,
Speaker 1: sh it man, I hated that. Who is your favorite
Speaker 1: cornerback watching when you're a kid? Always prime, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But you said, tell me. He he
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, you know, and you know, just a great,
Speaker 1: just great dude. You know overall you seeing when he's doing,
Speaker 1: how he's impacting young lives. But he was the greatest
Speaker 1: you know, cornerback that ever played the game. You know,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's who you know, that was, you know,
Speaker 1: our Michael Jordan when it comes to football and playing cornerback.
Speaker 1: But the reality is I didn't have Deon Sanders speed,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know one of
Speaker 1: my favorite dbs who I kind of like, say, if
Speaker 1: I had to pattern my game off of who I
Speaker 1: looked at, it was Rod Woodson. Rod Woodson was the
Speaker 1: real deal. He was fast. Hell wasn't that fast either,
Speaker 1: but you know, he put his nose in there in
Speaker 1: the tackling and you know, he just played the game
Speaker 1: like you know, especially growing up in Pittsburgh, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I know was good. Rod Woodson was
Speaker 1: that guy, you know what I mean? So next to
Speaker 1: Deon Salmers who had everything and we're talking about pure
Speaker 1: just cover guys that made our position popper, that made
Speaker 1: you know, us get paid like that because I was
Speaker 1: right after him when he signed that fifty million dollar deal.
Speaker 1: You know, at the time, defensive players, especially cornerbacks, used
Speaker 1: used to be the lowest paid, and he changed the
Speaker 1: dynamic of what a cornerback is. And when he got that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I mean, let me I
Speaker 1: got to get some of that. Hell yeah, on contract
Speaker 1: negotiation jewels man. So it's Andy Watson Chuck, my agent,
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess he went to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to, you know, say take dionis exemp.
Speaker 1: Let's leave that contract because they try to tell you, oh,
Speaker 1: it was back loaded. It wasn't the you know, I'm
Speaker 1: playing dumb. All I said was fifty million dollars on TV.
Speaker 1: I say fifty million. I know how contracts work. But
Speaker 1: they were trying to say the structure bullshit. I say
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. Fifty Yeah, that's what I said. So
Speaker 1: my agent called me when I was gonna. I didn't
Speaker 1: even want to, you know, go in there. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: just come in here and be tyl. All Damma, just
Speaker 1: come in here and be tyl. I said, okay, I
Speaker 1: come in and then you know he going through it
Speaker 1: and what we're thinking about. We think like Dale Carter
Speaker 1: signed this six years. You know, we're thinking somewhere along
Speaker 1: those lines and we can give you this a couple
Speaker 1: hundred I said. I said, Dale Carter and deal Carter.
Speaker 1: Mind you was a goddamn animal. I'm a beast, but
Speaker 1: it was thirty six million, fifty million. I seen fifty.
Speaker 1: Now I'm talking to Andy. I said, look here, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know where y'all come, but Dale Carter. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm in my fourth in the league.
Speaker 1: They already been there. I was like, man, I could
Speaker 1: do that. My name sleep man. We ain't doing it,
Speaker 1: even though it's not like that, because he was a
Speaker 1: freaking as we talking shit, and I was like, Deon
Speaker 1: Sanders did this, That's what I seen. And I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I ain't claim to be Deon Sanders, but I'm prime
Speaker 1: time round this motherfucker right here. That's what I told Andy.
Speaker 1: I said, I ain't done. I ain't claimed to be
Speaker 1: deone Sander, but I'm prime time around this mother. I said.
Speaker 1: You know what, Carl, I said, if this man, I
Speaker 1: don't even eat be it. I just got up ship
Speaker 1: off and I'm like, what fuck is? I go back
Speaker 1: and sit my car, and Carl came out about thirty
Speaker 1: forty minutes later. He just got in the car. He
Speaker 1: just like this, give me five and that's it. Then
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you know, they went into it
Speaker 1: and it still wasn't there. Because I had just wanted
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted ten. That was the kind of
Speaker 1: the market if you get there. It was like, and
Speaker 1: Carl was like, hold on, give me another way. I said, Carl,
Speaker 1: we're in training camp. So now were covered and lawyer
Speaker 1: Lloyd we was going. We crashed and like it was
Speaker 1: a dig, right, I was covering. Lawyer hit me and
Speaker 1: a player. I thought, I blew my knee out. I
Speaker 1: was scared. I was like, oh shit, got up. I
Speaker 1: was all right. I was playing timid somewhat in practice
Speaker 1: out there because I really thought, because you go across
Speaker 1: there with lawyer, lawyer gonna knock shit out of you. Man.
Speaker 1: He was one of the most aggressive you know safeties
Speaker 1: that you know I ever play with. Man, the dude
Speaker 1: was tough, man, you know what I mean, Like not
Speaker 1: very big in stature, but he hit like a dad linebacker.
Speaker 1: He would light your ass up. So you know what,
Speaker 1: two weeks later, like a week or so after that
Speaker 1: instance that happened, then two days later, you know, he
Speaker 1: I was ready to sign. There was like ten six.
Speaker 1: I like, deal sign it. He like, I got him.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I said, you're getting greedy. Carl, Come on, mate,
Speaker 1: ship I'm good. Man called me. The next day. So
Speaker 1: we had the day off. I'm up in Boston on
Speaker 1: Boston Street. You know, God, his mom. We up there
Speaker 1: kicking and I'm gonna do a little shopping on the
Speaker 1: off day. He said, you ready. I was like, what
Speaker 1: we got it done? I'm like, he said, you buck
Speaker 1: it up. I'm like, shit, I am now what man?
Speaker 1: He told me what it was. And at the time,
Speaker 1: it was seven years, you know, for fifty and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting like, what's the sign of bones? That's that's when
Speaker 1: it was the fourteen I threw that ship and park
Speaker 1: I got out. I was all over the street, shite recognition.
Speaker 1: I jumped out the dead car. What's wrong? What's wrong?
Speaker 1: What's good? Hey? Man? I was overjoyed, man, because you
Speaker 1: worked so hard to say to your family and at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, I mean, that was a that
Speaker 1: was a big deal. But now you know, it's the
Speaker 1: standard to live up to when you're getting that type
Speaker 1: of contract. When you sit there saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: you got a contract to the equivalent of even though
Speaker 1: you're talking that shit you wanted, but now the reality
Speaker 1: set in, Okay, you got to live up to that contract.
Speaker 1: You got to live up to that if you the
Speaker 1: prime time around. Look, you know that I'm talking. You
Speaker 1: feel me, so I have to Hey, guess what it
Speaker 1: worked yourself out now? Prime set the bar, he said,
Speaker 1: the bar bro Who what corners are you watching nowadays?
Speaker 1: Saying that they're damn they're good? Stepan. I always like Stefan,
Speaker 1: even when he was a picture. I know he's getting older,
Speaker 1: but he's working on his Hall of Fame resume, you know,
Speaker 1: right now. But I mean, I think somebody that can
Speaker 1: go out there and play with anybody. I think Stefan
Speaker 1: Gilmour is still, you know, one of the better cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: But you got guys like, you know, Giant here, Alexander Ward,
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is you know he can play you know
Speaker 1: he can play ball. But I still don't see anybody
Speaker 1: right now that I can look at and say, who's
Speaker 1: following the best guy all over the field. They're not
Speaker 1: doing that anymore. I'm like, you know, that's when you
Speaker 1: want to get get games change, game change when you
Speaker 1: ask for that type of money. But if you're a
Speaker 1: starter right now, you can you can ask for that
Speaker 1: type of month because that's where the market is at.
Speaker 1: But when we were playing, when Dion was able to
Speaker 1: jump and say that because he was Deon Sanders, he
Speaker 1: did stuff that everybody don't do. And when I said that,
Speaker 1: I'm prime time right here, not saying that I'm Deon Sanders,
Speaker 1: but for what we do and for you know, me
Speaker 1: to be going to the number one receiver game in
Speaker 1: game out, you know, no matter what the defense was played,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to Keishawn. I know I'm going to Wayne on the
Speaker 1: third down, so I'm changing. I know I got Marvin
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't even sit there and mess with Reggie,
Speaker 1: not saying that Reggie Redgewaying is a you know, a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer himself, but at that time they would
Speaker 1: even I ain't even waste my time over there, because hell,
Speaker 1: I got to handle this over here. And like I said,
Speaker 1: Reguating was just coming to his own. So I got that.
Speaker 1: We go play Sam Fran pick your pois. You got
Speaker 1: jay Rice, then you get to O. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got that. So that's why
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it's missing Darrell Reeves. He
Speaker 1: goes to the guy, there's not many of those anymore.
Speaker 1: Six exactly run that cover six, which is it plays
Speaker 1: like man, but you get to play with your eyes
Speaker 1: in the backfield, right, you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: you have that guy going to that flat zone. Our
Speaker 1: back was turned to the well, that's why you don't see,
Speaker 1: you know, as many interceptions or something like that, because
Speaker 1: our back was turned to the ball because we were
Speaker 1: here and we're covering you know that guy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then you talk about guys like
Speaker 1: a Champ Bailey and all that. We we went to
Speaker 1: the top dog no matter what. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's missing from the game.
Speaker 2: You think they've gotten away from man coverage because of
Speaker 2: the how they're calling the game now because of p
Speaker 2: I and illegal contact on every goddamn play.
Speaker 1: That's the one. Hey, you know what an excerpt? Do
Speaker 1: you have something from there?
Speaker 3: We were talking about it this morning.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And this game that we're talking about today led to
Speaker 3: the tail rule.
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher Bill.
Speaker 3: Polling on the Rules committee in O four in there
Speaker 3: crying and you got to enforced rules ridictas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but it started with mail Blunt, So
Speaker 1: I don't can't tell you all the credit started with
Speaker 1: the Mail Blunt and that's me and male's thing. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, we had rules, so I look at that
Speaker 1: as a as a compliment. But the game, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would have been fighting, you know what I mean, absolutely,
Speaker 1: guess what, we've been drinking a beer afterwards.
Speaker 2: But like you could just tell I watched your film,
Speaker 2: you know, just you're a veteran on how to hold
Speaker 2: and like, you know what I mean, that's what the
Speaker 2: great DB's. They're the slickest. Everyone's cheating out there. It's
Speaker 2: just you gotta like you gotta grib back here and
Speaker 2: then you fucking fling your little body and undercut, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, what I see now is like people are
Speaker 1: going out there grab it. But if I'm running next
Speaker 1: to you, I'm sitting there doing this. I'm banging your
Speaker 1: arm because you can't run. And now when you're so
Speaker 1: used to of me fighting you, you can't get into
Speaker 1: your rock because you're worrying about me. Now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. The certain thing to think about two
Speaker 1: of the balls in there exactly. So when you when
Speaker 1: we running side by side, all I do is looking
Speaker 1: like I'm running with you, but I'm really you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really hitting you, so you can't go. But that
Speaker 1: was my my little thing because I had to slow
Speaker 1: you down. I mean, I can't getting no foot race.
Speaker 1: You know all the time, you know you used to
Speaker 1: hit guys on them. Yeah, yeah, always, it's always, it's always,
Speaker 1: it's always angle and try not to open up the gate.
Speaker 1: So when you open up the gate and they sit there,
Speaker 1: just go right, and now they donne stacked you. I'm
Speaker 1: always going to use that sideline as much as I can,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If I can get these
Speaker 1: paws on you. I knew I was stronger than most.
Speaker 1: You know, I might not have been like that in stature,
Speaker 1: but I knew I was stronger, and once I put
Speaker 1: my hands on you, it's over, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was only a very few receivers that can muscle
Speaker 1: through that, you know what I mean. So from a
Speaker 1: receiver standpoint, it was a little different. Now when I
Speaker 1: can imagine if I happen to go against ground, you know,
Speaker 1: and I try to have to use more quickness. Now
Speaker 1: I would have took the challenge. I would have loved
Speaker 1: the challenge. But like being coached to get around him
Speaker 1: brew buh bru man, I'm telling you, he was a monster.
Speaker 1: You know he was. He was big as strong, country strong,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I kind of grew
Speaker 1: up and learned in that era where you got the
Speaker 1: tough receivers, the big tight ends, and then the quick guy.
Speaker 1: So every week it was something a little different for me.
Speaker 1: I tell you right now, the receivers right now are
Speaker 1: pretty damn good though. You look at it, like but
Speaker 1: at the same time, you can't can't, you can't hit
Speaker 1: him and all that. So you look at Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: like that dude is like, you know, run you. He's
Speaker 1: he's strong, country strong, Cincinnati. Yeah, I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's the best as a receiver. You look at him
Speaker 1: and I just think he's He's just got a lot
Speaker 1: of everything. He can. He can fifty to fifty ball you,
Speaker 1: he can route you, he can out quit you, justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: the same thing these guys. But you can't you can't
Speaker 1: hit him like he used to. Yeah, and it's harder
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: Guess what, you more dominated than this this generation.
Speaker 1: I would adapt, you know what I mean. But I'll
Speaker 1: say if I played the way that I played, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't get no check. You know, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: fine on everything, you know what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: the way it was then, Like you didn't go across
Speaker 1: the middle like I say, you got you know, Rodney Harrison,
Speaker 1: Lloyd Milloyd, you're talking about at Water, Brian Dowkas, you
Speaker 1: talking about you go Ronnie a lot. You go across
Speaker 1: that middle if you want to, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: ray Lewis ed Reed. I mean it was the game
Speaker 1: was a little.
Speaker 2: Way different, and I saw a transition in my career.
Speaker 2: It was probably thirteen fourteen fifteen is when they started
Speaker 2: calling shit. Yeah, because I would look at I would
Speaker 2: watch all my plays after the year and I'd look
Speaker 2: at like fifteen sixteen of my catches across the middle.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, early in my career probably would have
Speaker 1: been out for a week. Yeah shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Because the guys that are going for the
Speaker 1: interception and I'm blowing you up as much or they're
Speaker 1: they're hesitant because they can't blow you up right, so
Speaker 1: you so it made you more confident going across the middle.
Speaker 2: Because I remember when I got hit by Brian Dawkins
Speaker 2: my rookie year, I saw a star for three weeks.
Speaker 2: I had to learn how to play and catch with
Speaker 2: the fucking star because this dude let me up so
Speaker 2: goddamn herd right Chancellor from fucking the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He lit me up.
Speaker 2: But like as it went on early later, like, guys,
Speaker 2: it's just changed. And it started with the farming systems
Speaker 2: and Pop Warner the seven on the seven cans and
Speaker 2: you know you gotta you gotta get interceptions to get paid.
Speaker 2: So guys, you ain't getting you ain't getting knockout hits
Speaker 2: and getting paid any more.
Speaker 1: People. You know, as players, you adapt to what the
Speaker 1: game is and say, okay now instead of looking before
Speaker 1: the knockout shot was just as good as a turnover,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So now you're looking to
Speaker 1: make that play. You're looking to anticipate and make the play.
Speaker 1: So yes, you can get paid. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's taken away from the game of my in my
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I really think that the game is
Speaker 1: is watered down. It's one thing with the quarterbacks, because
Speaker 1: they're the face and all that you need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, you know, protect them, but everybody else
Speaker 1: on the damn field, man, it just you rid of
Speaker 1: that folk. They got rid of the drop the drop
Speaker 1: hit drop tackle. Yeah, you know where you you get
Speaker 1: a guy from behind, you just drop your weight. They're
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna make a fun They're gonna make that
Speaker 1: a penalty. How you supposed to Now if you pick
Speaker 1: them up and supplex them, that's a penalty too, right.
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to tackle.
Speaker 1: They just want the point. I think Vegas messed up
Speaker 1: the game a little bit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I mean, think about it. Why do you have
Speaker 1: to sit there and tell everybody who in and who
Speaker 1: were Hey, it's fair play whoever out on the field,
Speaker 1: that's out on the field. But the reason that you
Speaker 1: have to report injuries you have to do this is
Speaker 1: because of Vegas and the points. But they don't want
Speaker 1: they don't want players to bet, but they still want
Speaker 1: to make money that way. And I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I understand the game, but I think you know when
Speaker 1: you're starting to let so many other outside forces because
Speaker 1: it's the bottom line. And like I said, I understand
Speaker 1: business as a businessman, but come on, man, it's taking
Speaker 1: it's taken away from the game. Man ships the ship
Speaker 1: soft for twenty years, you would have played for twenty years. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: as much as it's taken away from the game, the
Speaker 1: ratings are up twenty three percent last year. From a
Speaker 1: players standpoint, I mean, guess what, you know why too,
Speaker 1: Because everybody betting, they're trying to see what they betsy is.
Speaker 1: They probably ain't the people's watching, not true football fans
Speaker 1: to guess what they're betting on it. So guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to follow my money and see I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get paid. So it's like the casinos. They not making
Speaker 1: money from the food and all that good ship you
Speaker 1: see in at the restaurants, liquor and all that. They
Speaker 1: making money by you going to the table and guess
Speaker 1: what the sports books you're getting fans that's watching the
Speaker 1: game because they trying to watch their money because now
Speaker 1: you can bet on it. That means it's gonna automatically
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a snowball in there and next say
Speaker 1: it's at the bottom line. But the guys are getting
Speaker 1: paid a lot more money, which is great. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm all for it, but I don't like, like, for instance,
Speaker 1: a defensive back. And this is where it's a little
Speaker 1: personal to me. If you're if you're running the route.
Speaker 1: This is Julian Edeman. He quick as a goddamn cat.
Speaker 1: So if you come across the middle and you catch
Speaker 1: the ball, I got, let you get two feet on
Speaker 1: the ground before I hit you. See, I mean, when
Speaker 1: the game is going so bad, I mean it's like
Speaker 1: you got to put feet down and have possession. Randy Moss,
Speaker 1: he too got damn fast, and the game moves too fast.
Speaker 1: I'm running fast. He running fast. So guess what I
Speaker 1: was taught. If you touch the ball, I knocked the
Speaker 1: shit out of you as soon as you go like this.
Speaker 1: That's how we learned to play the game. So to
Speaker 1: have to stop that and have to not go full
Speaker 1: tilt and the risk of getting fine and risk losing money.
Speaker 1: I think it's taking away the game from a player's perspective,
Speaker 1: but I understand.
Speaker 2: It is us are players that of our generations and
Speaker 2: the generations before us. But the young players aren't taught
Speaker 2: with you were taught, right, you know. So it's the
Speaker 2: game's just changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's definitely. It's definitely evolving, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to around January eighteen, two thousand
Speaker 2: and four, and this is a segment where we go
Speaker 2: over pop culture of things going around the world.
Speaker 1: Number one movie was Along Came paul You ever see
Speaker 1: that with Ben Stiller? Yeah? I probably. I can't remember it.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderstand.
Speaker 3: We were weirdly just talking about this the other night.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the title, but I can't remember
Speaker 1: the movie this. I know you remember the song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, this is my high school prom right here.
Speaker 1: I know you're right here winning the Super Bowls ye
Speaker 1: over here, Damn Paulo rot oh man uh Victor Mbiana
Speaker 1: Okay he was born. Man, that's the next face of
Speaker 1: the league. Man. I mean, somebody that tall, that skillful
Speaker 1: do that. Man, the league is in trouble because I
Speaker 1: mean he imagine when he puts on that good fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty pounds. Needs to Yeah, he needs to. It's
Speaker 1: just the kid's nineteen, right, I mean, wait until he's
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five. Who's your NBA team?
Speaker 4: Being from like Western Pa, I didn't really have one.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean I've always loved of course, everyone's
Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan fan, but I was more of a
Speaker 1: Kobe fan anything. But being from Pennsylvania. You know when
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson. You know, I was always rolling
Speaker 1: with the six just being a Pennsylvania guy. But I
Speaker 1: had individuals that I like to watching and Allen Man
Speaker 1: and he's a football guy too, you know, he was
Speaker 1: a he was a city all right. So Alan Iverson man,
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about. I look for dogs and
Speaker 1: like say, who is a dog? Sometime time? You can
Speaker 1: be skillful, you can be tall, fast, god given, but
Speaker 1: when you have a dog, that's who I love playing with.
Speaker 1: And when I watched Alan Everson, Kobe Bryant, you know, Jordan,
Speaker 1: not only were they great, there was actually some damn dogs,
Speaker 1: you know they you know, like Rodney Harrison dog dog dog. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if if our Celtics can get a little
Speaker 3: more dog in him this year, we're winning it all.
Speaker 1: I could, you know what, I would love to see
Speaker 1: it too. But they need to have that dog, you
Speaker 1: know in the finals. You know what I mean? You
Speaker 1: can't play pass dog? Huh? Can you explain? I think
Speaker 1: the dog? The dog is a mentality. You know that.
Speaker 1: And under any circumstances are you gonna break me, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna win. I'm gonna every play, even if you knock
Speaker 1: me down, I'm gonna get back up. I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: at you the same full tilt all day. And when
Speaker 1: adversity strikes you still don't drop your head. And you
Speaker 1: got that mentality that I'm gonna beat you this play.
Speaker 1: If you beat me, oh the next play, Oh it's own,
Speaker 1: do it again? You know what I mean? So that's
Speaker 1: what like we're looking up right there. Kevin Garnett dog dog,
Speaker 1: all time dog. What's rushmore of dogs? WHOA that's tough,
Speaker 1: that's tough, I would say, you know, okay, let's just
Speaker 1: throw out a couple from me sports. Lawrence Taylor dog
Speaker 1: dog one that just retired, Aaron Donald that is a dog,
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis dog. Rodney Harrison dog. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you I'll say here because Rodney Harrison
Speaker 1: is supposed to be in a Pro Football of Fame. No, no, no, okay, no,
Speaker 1: he's Jimmy Smith dog, Julian Edelman dog. And not just
Speaker 1: because of you know, I looked at the journey to Okay,
Speaker 1: you can make plays, you can do all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but to know how tough he was to be able
Speaker 1: to go out there and do that and go out
Speaker 1: there and do what I do. I told Troy Brown,
Speaker 1: you got me fired, dog, I got hurt Troy Brown
Speaker 1: playing dB you know, and and did some dog ship
Speaker 1: picking stuff. He led the league, he led the team
Speaker 1: and picks you know, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: when you guys, when you guys come in and do
Speaker 1: that and can do more than just your job, and
Speaker 1: you do it with so much passion, and you're successful
Speaker 1: because no one expected you to be who you are.
Speaker 1: Maybe you expected it, but when you got drafted, or
Speaker 1: did you get drafted, Okay, you went seven round, damn it.
Speaker 1: That's basically a free agent bosh. But you're a free
Speaker 1: agent because you don't have to do two years huh exactly.
Speaker 1: But no one expected you or they brought you in.
Speaker 1: They didn't expect you to turn into the only person
Speaker 1: that can believe that as a dog. And you got
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself because basically, when you get drafted
Speaker 1: that late, you're coming from another position. You're basically there
Speaker 1: for a tackling dummy. You're there forgot. You're there for
Speaker 1: guys like somebody established like myself, to beat up on
Speaker 1: the exactly so for you to make it. You know,
Speaker 1: you a dog right there, and then to put it
Speaker 1: out there and perform, and then you had some of
Speaker 1: the top corners out there that didn't want to see him.
Speaker 1: So that right there, you fit in the dog. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was a dog dog because from day one he
Speaker 1: came in there and he wanted to compete. He gonna
Speaker 1: talk shit, and I'm telling him we used to light
Speaker 1: him up. But he coming right back at you as
Speaker 1: a dog on head, bunch you. He gonna fight you.
Speaker 1: And that wasn't the quarterback that we've seen before.
Speaker 2: I got a real quick question because I know his
Speaker 2: octave he gets super.
Speaker 1: Was it even higher when he was younger? But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what you know, he when he
Speaker 1: when he throw out that, you know, you say something
Speaker 1: like you know, a little higher. You know, he'll sit
Speaker 1: the f you back and all that, but he will
Speaker 1: come at you. And he was not no pump. And
Speaker 1: that's what you know then he ain't no punk. Right there,
Speaker 1: that was like a compliment, Oh he ain't no pump.
Speaker 1: You know nowadays it's he ain't no bitch. He ain't
Speaker 1: no punk, you know what I mean? So that was Tom.
Speaker 1: I look at like receivers like again, Hye's Ward was
Speaker 1: a dog. He wasn't fast, he wasn't it, but he
Speaker 1: will sit there and rock you. You know, he will
Speaker 1: blindside the ship out at you too. So you always
Speaker 1: got to keep your head on the swivel. So I
Speaker 1: look at at the tough guys, even even you know,
Speaker 1: like I said t o Randy Moss was a dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he was tough. Chris Carter,
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin, he will fight you all damn day too,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I look at so
Speaker 1: many tough guys, but like just skill everybody and a
Speaker 1: dog man are.
Speaker 2: Born with a dog or can you develop the dogs.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here looking at my seven year old daughter
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing some of this attitude and effort on
Speaker 2: the flip field right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know if we got
Speaker 1: dog in her what, you know what, puppy And my mom,
Speaker 1: My mom told me, you know, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: she said, you know you used to get your ass
Speaker 1: with you know, you wouldn't you wasn't that tough. But
Speaker 1: I remember one time that I came home right and
Speaker 1: she made me go back out there and fight, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna go out there and fight.
Speaker 1: And I started developing. So yes, you can develop the
Speaker 1: dog and you can develop dog yap the dog development.
Speaker 1: You could be born into it. To shirt that shirt developed.
Speaker 1: It's a tie log teacher, right. I develot time and
Speaker 1: you get that confidence and then it's like when you
Speaker 1: realize that you got to believe in yourself. That was
Speaker 1: my whole thing, was always believing in myself with no
Speaker 1: matter what anybody thinks. That's that's what a dog is.
Speaker 2: A dog is someone who believes in himself no matter
Speaker 2: what the situation.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, the.
Speaker 2: Situation is against you. If the world is against you,
Speaker 2: still still think you're gonna do it is when you
Speaker 2: stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready.
Speaker 1: They say the same thing with like like everybody asks
Speaker 1: me with the vaka. If you go to any liquor store,
Speaker 1: the vodka hour is always the biggest because you can
Speaker 1: make it with so many things. You can make it
Speaker 1: with you know, corn wheat, you know rye, even making
Speaker 1: it with cheese, grapes, all that. And they was like,
Speaker 1: why would you go into vodka when you got a
Speaker 1: guy like Tito's out there? You know everybody. I love
Speaker 1: his story, you know what I mean. He worked and
Speaker 1: he's the number one out there. But you know my
Speaker 1: attitude is hell. I can cover jay Rice, Random, mas Teo,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, damn it, I can cover Tito's ass. Too
Speaker 1: much respect to Tito for real, man, because his story
Speaker 1: is incredible, but it's inspiring in a way. But you
Speaker 1: can't be afraid to go out there and give it
Speaker 1: a shot if you believe in your product, you know
Speaker 1: which I believe more so than anything. I know my
Speaker 1: product is good, you know what I mean. So if
Speaker 1: you put liquid the lips, you put it in there.
Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere else, I promise you.
Speaker 2: Speaking of dogs, how crazy is it with was? I
Speaker 2: was looking at Aaron McNair, Steve McNair. He was a dog,
Speaker 2: a McNair's dog. Oh damn right, how they have co
Speaker 2: m vps. It was Steve McNair and Peyton Manning. You
Speaker 2: guys beat both the m vps to go to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 1: I hope you know that. Oh I did not. There
Speaker 1: was coin vps like mild I've never heard of that,
Speaker 1: because because we beat him in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we beat him in the playoffs beat two m dnps
Speaker 1: to go to the fucking super Bowl. That is that
Speaker 1: is crazy. But how do you get a co v P?
Speaker 1: Like who who's the panel? You know? I mean I
Speaker 1: got co VP of the Pro Bowl one year? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crazy, right? How many interceptions you have in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl because we were watching it? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah so but co VP. So it was myself in
Speaker 1: Key Sean. And ain't no cost sponsors behind that. Hell,
Speaker 1: we got us a goddamn plaque. Man, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: a car? You know what I mean? What no cost?
Speaker 1: But I'm always like a little short end of the stick,
Speaker 1: even though like the Super Bowl, right, you know, people
Speaker 1: according to the papers, you know, not taking any thing,
Speaker 1: wait from from goat Brady. But I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be an that's what they say it, right, that's the
Speaker 1: first year that they went on the internet. Came up short,
Speaker 1: but got defensive Player of the game. Yeah where Brady
Speaker 1: got a car? Disney World? You know what I got
Speaker 1: goddamn Belover Watch Blover, Blover b you blow over Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got I got me one of them. Defensive That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'm always playing a little dollar short.
Speaker 1: The year I got super VP was the first year
Speaker 1: they didn't give cars cap yours either. No car. You
Speaker 1: got the plaque. Now I got that ball, silver ball
Speaker 1: where right there? That that silver ball, that's you, Bullship,
Speaker 1: that Tiffany. Tiffany's nice hand show ball. But you called it.
Speaker 1: You signed and tell Tom to sign it, man ship.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna tell Tom to sign anything
Speaker 1: signed that right there, Sign that right there, now you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But then they have a car sponsor.
Speaker 2: It was the first year they stopped doing the car
Speaker 2: wow because you remember, like Dion used to.
Speaker 1: Drive his Cadillac. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he used to drive.
Speaker 1: They always drive their Super Bowl truck and every once
Speaker 1: in a while, yeah yeah wow, I never got one.
Speaker 3: They would they would bust out the Super Bowl car
Speaker 3: every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know he's see because Deon came back to
Speaker 1: us and he'd have this fucking twelve.
Speaker 2: Year old or like eight year old Cadillac eight year old.
Speaker 1: The year before the Pro Bowl, I think I was second,
Speaker 1: and because you know, I was getting the picks and
Speaker 1: car sponsored year, me and Keishawn got no sponsor. The
Speaker 1: next year, car sponsor again, I'm like, God, damn, he
Speaker 1: took a free car without you gotta pay TAXI man,
Speaker 1: were just the story more the story of that tech
Speaker 1: your car we had paid.
Speaker 3: Maning on here and he said he took that ship.
Speaker 3: Seriously in the Pro Bowl, he wanted the car.
Speaker 1: No, the game was a little bit different. We did
Speaker 1: play because man, it's so goddamn expensive over there. Man,
Speaker 1: So by the time you fly all your people over
Speaker 1: there and stuff like that, it's like, man, when it
Speaker 1: gets when it comes play cutting time, dany third fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: Like in the third quarter, fourth court, you see where
Speaker 1: you at. It's time to play ball. Because that's the
Speaker 1: difference in the checks, you know what I mean. You mean,
Speaker 1: you go from twelve thousand to twenty five thousand, So
Speaker 1: hey were trying to get that twenty five geez back
Speaker 1: then because he's playing tickets and all that. She was
Speaker 1: a lot of money bringing to everybody over day, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you know we got up there, Jackie, Oh should
Speaker 3: we should we run through these teams real quick? Set
Speaker 3: the stage for this game.
Speaker 1: Set the stage. We'll jump into the game.
Speaker 3: This back to these uh these o three to oh
Speaker 3: four Indianapolis Colts, led by Peyton Manning. As we talked
Speaker 3: about earlier, some other dogs on this team, Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 3: Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne even not a Loki dog at kicker,
Speaker 3: Mike vander Jack guy was kind of he was kind
Speaker 3: of yoked. He was a tough kicker. Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis,
Speaker 3: Dallas Clark's rookie season Cato June. They won the f
Speaker 3: SEE South. For all you division heads out there, there's
Speaker 3: only the second year of the AFC South. Colts were
Speaker 3: in the AFC East before that, so we had plenty
Speaker 3: of see We had plenty of time seeing Peyton Manning
Speaker 3: before that. And this was also a year oh three
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning where he still kind of had that rep
Speaker 3: of a guy that couldn't really get it done in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Oh in three record entering this game in
Speaker 3: playoff games, even though he didn't win MVP this year,
Speaker 3: going VP that.
Speaker 1: Is, Did you guys hate the Colts as much as
Speaker 1: we hated the Colts in our era? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because really because we felt like and like I said,
Speaker 1: love you know, Peyton, but you always ride with your guys.
Speaker 1: But even with all the success that we was having,
Speaker 1: Peyton was still the face of the league. It wasn't
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It was always you know, Peyton and whatever
Speaker 1: he was doing, you know. And of course you look
Speaker 1: at how many you know, Hall of famers, you know,
Speaker 1: they got up there, you know what I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, and they got they got all the
Speaker 1: love they got, they got they got to love man.
Speaker 1: So we we used that as energy. We thought we
Speaker 1: were the better team. We thought we were tougher. They
Speaker 1: were more you know, I guess they was more of
Speaker 1: a finess team. But we always tried to look at
Speaker 1: us as a tough team, you know, man, exactly, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. And you knew they were
Speaker 1: going to put the game all the time in Peyton's hand.
Speaker 1: So as defensive backs, we love, we love to take
Speaker 1: that challenge. So that means if they put it in
Speaker 1: your hands, you got to be whipping my hands. So
Speaker 1: that's how I was like, no, that it's time to play.
Speaker 1: What were the keys to stopping Peyton, you know what?
Speaker 1: Switching it up? You know, as far as like the
Speaker 1: looks even though Peyton is smart enough and no, no
Speaker 1: enough as a as a quarterback, that we messing with him,
Speaker 1: just like he messed with us. Like he coming up
Speaker 1: there doing all these handsickens half the time, ain't saying ship,
Speaker 1: you know, and say omaha, what is home omaha mean?
Speaker 1: But we we would just start hollering out dumb ship too.
Speaker 1: We'll holler at omaha. We'll holler out beef jerky, yeah, something,
Speaker 1: you know, just to you know, try just a combatant
Speaker 1: combat right. But for me, I've never in my fifteen
Speaker 1: years of playing and ever was threatened by a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I took a different approach and I always respected it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care if we're playing against Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Payton Manning, Damn Marina, whoever it was. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: gotta worry about you. I'm covering you. So if I
Speaker 1: got you covered, what the hell I got to worry about?
Speaker 1: You know them folk? If they a so, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my job right here. A lot of people get caught
Speaker 1: up into the quarterback. But if you got the receiver cup,
Speaker 1: he has to do a perfect ball if I'm draped
Speaker 1: all over you. So I was never threatened by a
Speaker 1: quarterback because I had enough to worry about, you know,
Speaker 1: covering the receiver and the only quarterback that I've ever
Speaker 1: played to where he made you think like, damn he different,
Speaker 1: Damn Marino. He was the only quarterback that I know
Speaker 1: that can place the ball at least from my experience,
Speaker 1: somewhere where the receiver got the best chance to catch
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. He was He was that guy as
Speaker 1: far as that for me, perfect pass, the perfect pass
Speaker 1: is uncoverable, right, And he was the only one that
Speaker 1: can do it like that. And then he didn't have
Speaker 1: a whine up. Dan was like, you know, he was
Speaker 1: able to just short arm inflect that thing and you
Speaker 1: had to pick it up. So when I got my
Speaker 1: first pick off of then, man, I found his ass
Speaker 1: after the game. Man. You know, I was a Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 1: I had him sign that ball. Man. I was a
Speaker 1: fan boy. It was my second year league. I mean,
Speaker 1: mister Marino, could you sign? He was a good sport.
Speaker 1: I still got the super Bowl at dinner? Cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: man is cool Dan, It's cool as hell. Man. He
Speaker 1: was just chilling. Yeah, you know, great, great player. I
Speaker 1: even my first NFL interception was off you know, a
Speaker 1: great you know, Jim Kelly. But when I got that
Speaker 1: one off of Damn Marino. Like I said, being a
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy, I was like, man, I was not getting
Speaker 1: on that plane back to New England until I get
Speaker 1: this ball signed. That's crazy because I remember, you know
Speaker 1: by the end, that's what guys are doing to Tom
Speaker 1: if they picked him. Oh yeah, hell yeah yeah. You
Speaker 1: know that's some crazy legend for people to have the balls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to take the ball that you picked off of exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta shoot your shot, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you got to. I mean, and then, but it's also
Speaker 1: a sign, you know, a respect. And I knew I
Speaker 1: was getting old when when we were playing I think
Speaker 1: he was playing Tennessee and playing against one of the
Speaker 1: young guys. I don't even know who he was, you know.
Speaker 1: And after the game he caught like a little bullshit
Speaker 1: but was no touchdown, nothing like daddy. He wanted me
Speaker 1: to sign it for him, talking about Man, I had
Speaker 1: you on my wall man this and that. I'm like, Ship,
Speaker 1: I'm getting old. It's time to go, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm getting old When you got somebody that
Speaker 1: was a little kid and telling you that you were
Speaker 1: on the wall and all that stuff, and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you want to sign it like a little yeah seven yeah,
Speaker 1: a little seven eight yards yeah that yeah. Now, can
Speaker 1: you imagine if Dan Marino played in this generation, you
Speaker 1: got to be a little mobile in this generation. Now,
Speaker 1: Damn Renal, you know, the big ass cleats. His might
Speaker 1: have been bigger than Tom right there. He was like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But his arm talent was incredible though. I mean people,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, man, when you talk about pure you
Speaker 1: know throwers, you know, and accuracy, Damn Marino was. Damn
Speaker 1: Marino was that dude. I've really never picked off a
Speaker 1: ball that hurt your hands like Drew Blest or Drew
Speaker 1: Bless who had one of the strongest, you know arms.
Speaker 1: Like he was like, no, I didn't get far far,
Speaker 1: they't mess with me. We was at the super Bowl
Speaker 1: when we played him in ninety six, and you know, Antonio,
Speaker 1: good friend. He's like, you know, before the game, you know,
Speaker 1: we just sized each other up, warmed up, and Frame
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you you ain't gonna get no action today.
Speaker 1: In my second year, I'm sitting there like, oh, he
Speaker 1: about today about to try to set my ass up.
Speaker 1: So now I'm really on guard, you know, and show
Speaker 1: enough that whole game, you know, Brett, And then Brett
Speaker 1: came out before that. He was like, all, you ain't
Speaker 1: get no action to I guess young Buck, you know too,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna get no action to day. So I'm
Speaker 1: still thinking coming from Freeming him, they're trying to set
Speaker 1: me up showing up. He didn't mess with me. You know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: We were interviewing Ernie and he said, specifically for when
Speaker 2: you guys played the Colts, he would dedicate an hour
Speaker 2: of the day just to study them. And he would
Speaker 2: started in November, early November, just because he always knew
Speaker 2: it'd come down, so you had to. And do you
Speaker 2: remember the game plan for this specific game?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: He said, You guys completely changed it up. You went
Speaker 2: to cover four because they used to love that ram pass.
Speaker 2: That seem so that you guys covered up the seams
Speaker 2: with the cover four in this game, and it fucked up.
Speaker 1: You know what for Like I was always worried about it,
Speaker 1: Like whatever Bruski said, Dude, I was playing, I was
Speaker 1: always yeah, yeah, that's what they used to do with Reeves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where you know, like you could be playing Zone but
Speaker 1: they would just say you're over here. Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's where I was, you know, you know, with it
Speaker 1: and man and whoever was on my side receiver, I covered,
Speaker 1: you know, I covered like it was man. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like say, we might say we're rolling or anything,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a shell. But you know, Bruski and them,
Speaker 1: you got to give those guys so much, you know, credit,
Speaker 1: because you know, not only did they protect the run,
Speaker 1: you got the great Edger and James up there, them
Speaker 1: running up the scene with those tight ends and that
Speaker 1: was calling those guys. It's like, bro Bruski had a
Speaker 1: hell of a job trying and then trying to keep
Speaker 1: my ass right. He trying to make sure everybody else
Speaker 1: right do his job, you know what I mean, Man,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski was an all time great man, all the time.
Speaker 2: Now, Super Bowl Week we'll get into the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: But real quick, do you remember anything different going in
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Guys? This is your third Super Bowl? This is you
Speaker 1: guys lost, No, we lost my second year, then we
Speaker 1: won the the Rams. Yeah, this is so this will
Speaker 1: be your third Super Bowl appearance. Right with did you
Speaker 1: feel like you had an advantage for Carolina? Carolina, you're
Speaker 1: having an.
Speaker 2: Advantage just because you guys experience, yes, experienced it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought we had advantage. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: we were also those guys before you know, you know,
Speaker 1: on the come up. You know, we came in and
Speaker 1: and uh, hey, we we wanted to win. So just
Speaker 1: the last game as you know, playing and uh, as
Speaker 1: many as you've played in man, it's like anybody can
Speaker 1: win that game. And they started off hit us with
Speaker 1: the big one quick, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: know it was a jake, the loan. You know, he
Speaker 1: running around, he talking all kinds of ship. But now
Speaker 1: we had we had Tom Brady, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and that and now by that time, you know, it
Speaker 1: was when he was with us. You know, first that's
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You know who he started to be in
Speaker 1: that time. Come Tom mother fucking Brady. That's a difference.
Speaker 1: See we had like you, we had Tom Brady. You
Speaker 1: had Tom motherfucking Brady. See that, that's who he was
Speaker 1: that at that time. So when you have that, and
Speaker 1: we knew if we stayed in here, you're drinking Tom exactly.
Speaker 2: I had chiseled jaw, amocado, yeah, beautiful hair, yeah, skin complexion,
Speaker 2: and how do you smell good after practice.
Speaker 1: Tom. So when you got that, man, we were like,
Speaker 1: we knew what we had. All we had to do
Speaker 1: was now you don't mess up. Now we don't mess
Speaker 1: up because we know we give you a chance you
Speaker 1: don't already proved it time and time getting not just
Speaker 1: in the big games, but any game you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna win. And Tom, like I said, I've never seen
Speaker 1: anybody like him when it comes to being so cool
Speaker 1: and calm under pressure, set one man football, and that's
Speaker 1: Adam Vinit Terry. Yo, Bro, you talking about somebody is
Speaker 1: like no fear, you know, Like imagine going up there
Speaker 1: and you just got to take that free throw as
Speaker 1: easy as it might be to have to take that,
Speaker 1: all the pressure and everything riding on you. That's why
Speaker 1: I say they need to bronze Damn Foot like Tom
Speaker 1: need to have his statue, of course, but they need
Speaker 1: to have a big ass replica of Adam Van Terry
Speaker 1: Foot somewhere around on that stadium, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: somewhere Put Adam for real. I mean I didn't even
Speaker 1: see I mean, after watching the Dynasty, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know he was on the team. Huh he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie said, Patriot, all.
Speaker 3: Right, let's run through this roster. We've talked a lot
Speaker 3: about this era. Pats a team full of dogs. We
Speaker 3: thought that Colts had some dogs. I mean, god, dang,
Speaker 3: it was like Kat's compared to England.
Speaker 1: These are the dogs, Baby.
Speaker 3: Brady, Kevin Falk, Patrick pass and Twine Smith, Deon Branch,
Speaker 3: Troy Brown. I mean, that's just offense right there. On
Speaker 3: the defense, we got Jarvis Green huge this game, sack
Speaker 3: and left and right. It seemed like we got Tie
Speaker 3: of course, Anthony Pleasant, Richard seymour.
Speaker 1: Ty, Warren.
Speaker 3: This defense up a league low fourteen point nine points
Speaker 3: a game. We didn't lose at home all season eight
Speaker 3: to no. Bounced back from what people call the Lawyer
Speaker 3: Malloy game in Week one, Yeah, got whooped thirty one nothing,
Speaker 3: then ended the season doing the same thing, reversing the score,
Speaker 3: beating the Bills thirty one nothing, fourteen and two record.
Speaker 3: I mean, heck of a team.
Speaker 1: Man, look at that list. Oh man, that was some bullshit.
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: hurt because you know that was that was my brother,
Speaker 1: that was one of my best friends on the team.
Speaker 1: You know, man, we kind of like that was the dB.
Speaker 1: That was our UH. That was our room. You know,
Speaker 1: me and Laurd we was the two heads of the
Speaker 1: UH of the room. And when they let him go,
Speaker 1: especially being a captain, you know, every year, Lawyer was
Speaker 1: that type of guy. Man. He was a great He
Speaker 1: was a great leader. Like that's the only thing, like
Speaker 1: I clown a little bit about, you know, his speeches sometime,
Speaker 1: you know, is that you can't have something to say
Speaker 1: every day? Got that? I mean sometime we could just
Speaker 1: go on the fuck home, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that was Lawyer for you man, My brother loved
Speaker 1: to death and I was. I was hurt. And then
Speaker 1: when they brought in Rodney, you know, so now it
Speaker 1: was that thing because I wasn't the biggest fan of Rodney,
Speaker 1: you know when he came in, because you know, one,
Speaker 1: he wasn't with us and respected his game, but he
Speaker 1: was always the competitor. And what really turned me off
Speaker 1: from Rodney. And like I said, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: Roddy like that at the time. I just knew he
Speaker 1: was a you know, a hell of a player. But
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, he would come in and put on the
Speaker 1: tape for the DB's and we ain't even playing san Diego.
Speaker 1: We watching San Diego. Foe. He was like, see this,
Speaker 1: like seeing what we ain't playing them. It's Rodney Harrison
Speaker 1: running around like a mad man, just everything he was
Speaker 1: doing one hundred miles, just knocking a shit out of people.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what the hell that got to
Speaker 1: do with us? He said, this is how, this is
Speaker 1: how you play. Ain't no fucking loaf in here. And
Speaker 1: Rodney wasn't like Rodney's in San Diego, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, he ain't get here yet. So I remembered that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sing, and they're like, man, f Rodney Harrison, Man,
Speaker 1: fuck him, you know what I mean. And when he came,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, okay, now he's part of the team.
Speaker 1: You know, you see him play much respect whatever. But
Speaker 1: then they let Lawyer go, so then that went back
Speaker 1: to where it's like, hold on, man, he came in
Speaker 1: here with that bullshit and now they even cut my
Speaker 1: brother this and that. But Rodney was just one of
Speaker 1: those type of guys that man, you had to respect you.
Speaker 1: He earned it, he earned it, but man, and he
Speaker 1: didn't need to earn anything from me. He was already
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison, but to see his work athlete, his practice habits,
Speaker 1: and he made you step your game up. And then
Speaker 1: when you're out there on the field with him, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this is different. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like for instant, your example, Lawyer, I'd be like, Lawyer,
Speaker 1: I see this, I'm about to jump this shit. He
Speaker 1: was like, you paid all that money. Cover that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: That's lawyer with holidays. You can you get paid all
Speaker 1: that money? Cover that mother I'm saying, I see someone jumping. Rodney. Hey, Rodney,
Speaker 1: I see this man. He's like, got you go go
Speaker 1: go take it, take it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was just that type of Dynamic's like lawyer was
Speaker 1: ready to go knock the hell out of something and
Speaker 1: he will put it. So it was a great dynamic.
Speaker 1: I could have just imagined if we can all play together, man,
Speaker 1: with Lloyd Malloy and Rodney Harrison, you're talking about no
Speaker 1: flies on. You couldn't go nowhere but Rodney Harrison. You know,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was one of the greatest to
Speaker 1: ever play the game. And like I said, he should
Speaker 1: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I want
Speaker 1: to say that here right now, because I've been saying
Speaker 1: that forever. There's only two guys in the history of
Speaker 1: the game that got thirty picks in thirty sacs, Ray
Speaker 1: Lewis being one of them. We praised Ray for being,
Speaker 1: you know, the all time great, you know, the goat,
Speaker 1: but somebody did it before him, and his name is
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison. He did it first, but he don't get
Speaker 1: the same admiration or anything for that particular stat And
Speaker 1: if you look at the stats with all the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers, Rodney Harrison is right there with every safety
Speaker 1: that's in the Hall of Fame right now and getting
Speaker 1: looked over for what reason, I don't know. But one
Speaker 1: of the best that I ever played with Monster. I mean,
Speaker 1: we heard about how hard he practiced ruh and and
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill loved it. But he made you step
Speaker 1: your game up, you know what I mean. So Rodney,
Speaker 1: you know, a respect because you know, you just don't
Speaker 1: give out anything. Heat sit there and took his respect.
Speaker 1: And the way he played the game, man, you had
Speaker 1: to sit there and say hat soft man, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times you got to follow his lead. Man,
Speaker 1: that's the type of guy that he was. From a
Speaker 1: leadership standpoint, the way he played the game. And if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to any foxhole, damn, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: out with Rodney. Yeah, who's the unsung hero of the
Speaker 1: team this year? This year and three oh tomorrow and
Speaker 1: three I think the unsung hero when you look at
Speaker 1: all those names, I was, like, I always say, Troy Brown.
Speaker 1: Troy Brown is just one of those guys that when
Speaker 1: you need a damn play, Troy is gonna be the
Speaker 1: one to do it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: like Troy Brown was an absolute dog, just like yourself.
Speaker 1: Troy got cut a couple of times, you know, I
Speaker 1: think twice, and you know after later, you know they've
Speaker 1: been trying to replace Troy Brown for I don't know
Speaker 1: how damn long. But you couldn't, you know, you couldn't
Speaker 1: throw them away and for him to you know, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I look at you guys very similar in
Speaker 1: the way you played the game. As far as being tough,
Speaker 1: being the dog, it ain't. But you as a receiver
Speaker 1: that went over to play dB, that came from when
Speaker 1: you came from, Troy was more of a returner you
Speaker 1: know as well, and to come play defense and being
Speaker 1: that tough guy making the plays when it mattered most.
Speaker 1: Being small in stature, you know, big attitude and crazy
Speaker 1: dog when it comes to, you know, competing. That's who
Speaker 1: I look at it and say, man, Troy Brown did.
Speaker 1: It wasn't high, wasn't high draft, It wasn't the fastest guy,
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest guy. We caught him little dude, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's the Troy's name, Little dude,
Speaker 1: little dude to whooped that ass. You know, don't sleep
Speaker 1: on it. Troy. He's always been any classacked dude, absolutely
Speaker 1: class Absolutely, he was always around as a coach. But
Speaker 1: you know he would always we'd always have a connection
Speaker 1: just because you know, he knew what I was going through.
Speaker 1: And you know he mean connects you on that play
Speaker 1: because he went through it. I'm telling you. They tried
Speaker 1: so many times to replace him or bring somebody else
Speaker 1: in the Troy always ended him. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: OLDA Smith, same thing. Yeah, you know, olda Smith. He
Speaker 1: was a great mentor to me, you know, one of
Speaker 1: like like I wouldn't be the player that I am
Speaker 1: without you know, a guy like OLDA Smith that's taking
Speaker 1: me under the wing and telling me, you know what
Speaker 1: to do, how to be a pro jack. Let's let's
Speaker 1: see this game lead off, lead up to this game.
Speaker 3: This is the AFC Championship game. So to get there,
Speaker 3: Patriots had to beat co VP Steve McNair and the
Speaker 3: Titans seventeen fourteen, a tough one, and then Denver was
Speaker 3: bawling out. They had to play in the wild card.
Speaker 3: I mean not Denver. I'm looking at Denver here Indy,
Speaker 3: and he had to beat Denver put up forty one.
Speaker 3: Then they beat Kansas City put up thirty six. The
Speaker 3: offense was clicking, which just made the performance that this
Speaker 3: Patriots defense came out and laid even that much more impressive.
Speaker 3: The Patriots hadn't lost in Week four playing the Redskins,
Speaker 3: so they were just on a roll. And this was
Speaker 3: the first playoff meeting between the Patriots and Indy, the
Speaker 3: first of many, which is crazy. Brady Brady owned the
Speaker 3: Colts up until this point. It's worth noting six and
Speaker 3: oh in uh, it starts against the Colts to this point.
Speaker 1: His first start was against the Colts after the Jets game.
Speaker 1: You guys won, then you guys lost three ye right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's when we hit him for three right there right.
Speaker 1: Usually certain games is you just hot. It ain't nothing
Speaker 1: that you can do that nobody can cover you. It
Speaker 1: was one of those games where that is nothing that
Speaker 1: you could have done, you know, to beat me. That
Speaker 1: did you just feel it? I ain't felt that way
Speaker 1: in a long time. You don't. It don't come all
Speaker 1: the time, I tell you that day lying, But that
Speaker 1: particular game, I didn't care who you threw out there
Speaker 1: in front of me. I just had a feeling that,
Speaker 1: you know, you just got that glow like Bruce Leroy
Speaker 1: up in this month, I heard I heard the NFL
Speaker 1: planned this thing in the football this game. It was
Speaker 1: called the ugly Finder, So whoever had the most it
Speaker 1: was just the ball would find the ugly guy them.
Speaker 1: I love that hip. I love But you know what,
Speaker 1: like you said, we're always one little, one day short,
Speaker 1: one week short. Why could I do that in Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You found Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it happened though, so we got in
Speaker 1: the duble. But I mean that's the kind of game,
Speaker 1: the game that you want to feel and you want
Speaker 1: to have in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Man, you gotta be careful because Rodney Harrison had the
Speaker 4: other interception.
Speaker 1: Man, oh he'll hit you here, he might hit me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm my back back and all that ship.
Speaker 3: Yo, that one handed one in the second quarter, like
Speaker 3: that was it?
Speaker 1: Man? Oh yeah, that's the third drive drive Yeah yeah man.
Speaker 1: And that one right there was when we had it
Speaker 1: was one of those cover tues where you know they're
Speaker 1: trying to get you back on that seventh you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get the good jam off the
Speaker 1: off ben and and he floated it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I said, you know what I was willing
Speaker 1: to give up up, you know, the low underneath one,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you know Peyton trying
Speaker 1: to win, Peyton be and Peyton being confident, and he
Speaker 1: put it up there and that just that just started everything. Man.
Speaker 2: Now look at your chops when you saw the forecast
Speaker 2: thirty two.
Speaker 1: And so absolutely absolutely because the games down. Man, it
Speaker 1: slows the game down. And yet we knew we were
Speaker 1: tough guys, you know what I mean. So this falls
Speaker 1: right into us. I mean, you guys are playing in
Speaker 1: the dome, you know what I mean. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a different ball game I had. This is real this
Speaker 1: is real deal football, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: in thirteen when when Peyton was on Denver and the
Speaker 1: AFC Championship, we go out to fucking Denver and we're.
Speaker 2: Praying, like, oh, I think we're gonna get Snow. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be she They turned out be seventy five and sunny.
Speaker 1: They beat us. Yo, we're hopings, hey man, you know what,
Speaker 1: and like after you know games, you know, like this, Okay,
Speaker 1: we wining there. But when we went to play the
Speaker 1: rams Bro on the greatest show on turf in the Dome,
Speaker 1: everybody thought that we was gonna get our asses whip.
Speaker 1: I think to this day we distilled the biggest underdogs
Speaker 1: from a betting standpoint. Yeah, in Super Bowl history. That
Speaker 1: was flat out fucking disrespectful. Ernie.
Speaker 2: Ernie asked me to ask you about Bobby Hamilton. Bobby Hamilton,
Speaker 2: we shocked the world, he said. He said, he found
Speaker 2: out in two thousand and one, you guys were what
Speaker 2: h and for something or your two and two and
Speaker 2: he felt like the team clicked in a practice or
Speaker 2: it was in the year before that, and when you
Speaker 2: mother fucked Bobby Hamilton. You and him got in a fight, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't come in and communicate the motion.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, me and Bobby Man, that's my guy right there,
Speaker 1: like you're talking about hilarious dude. But Bobby was always
Speaker 1: super intense when it came to football. He had to
Speaker 1: fight his way to get to where he was at.
Speaker 1: And like, dude was coming down and I didn't call
Speaker 1: out the crack and it didn't even hit Bobby, it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of the other you know, outside linebackers
Speaker 1: line at the time. And so Bobby, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: come being Bobby getting up in my face, and now
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's where the oupha was coming at.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm about to go at it, you know,
Speaker 1: with his ass, you know, three hundred pounds ass. But
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I ain't. That's when the al
Speaker 1: equipper come out. There ain't no bitches around here now,
Speaker 1: would let let's go, you know, So we started going
Speaker 1: at it. Didn't he come out of the line, and
Speaker 1: here come to DB's knowing that we can't beat them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. From besides, especially when Willie's
Speaker 1: big ass come up in there, you know, what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, exactly, Debo come up
Speaker 1: in there. But it was just one of those things
Speaker 1: that that's how we were, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you expected me to do my job. He was
Speaker 1: protecting his d lineman by coming at me saying, God,
Speaker 1: damn it, call out the crack, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could have called out the crack, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think I did. He might not have heard it.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't and he didn't hear, it's still,
Speaker 1: you know, my fault. But you are not to come
Speaker 1: in here and that like you, my mama. I'm a
Speaker 1: grown ass man, so you're gonna talk to me with
Speaker 1: a certain type of you know, respect, And that's how
Speaker 1: it was. But that's just how we did. But guess
Speaker 1: what what we're doing after practice? Where we're going, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where we drinking that and it's
Speaker 1: all love, you know what I mean. We will sit there,
Speaker 1: we can go to blows on the sideline in the practice.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, be some real scratch man. Afterwards. Man,
Speaker 1: it's all love. Were eating wings and drinking.
Speaker 2: That's what Ernie said, though he said that was when
Speaker 2: he saw the team started to gel.
Speaker 1: What did you think you guys? Uh, you guys were
Speaker 1: gonna be a super Bowl caliber team. He goes, it
Speaker 1: was just a third down practice Week five. We were zero
Speaker 1: and four and it's when Ty and Hamilton got into it.
Speaker 1: I shot there and it was like start the stick,
Speaker 1: start this stick Yep, he b hamm and he gonna
Speaker 1: come right at you. But it was like, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, the big guys, they
Speaker 1: think they gonna come at the I think it's going no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not happening.
Speaker 2: Beat by Derek Burgess because I was when I was
Speaker 2: on scout team the Raiders and years, and he like
Speaker 2: I had to do something. It was on the fucking
Speaker 2: card right to go hit him and he got he
Speaker 2: like mushed me for no reason after the play, and
Speaker 2: I fucking mushed him back. We almost started throwing blows
Speaker 2: and Derek Bridges probably hated. He didn't like he was
Speaker 2: kind of in his own world, you know, he felt
Speaker 2: like an outside Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after that he was my dog, though he respected
Speaker 1: the out. It was a guy I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember his name. His name was Sean Morey, went
Speaker 1: to Brown Universe. He was a receiver no one expected him,
Speaker 1: and they gave him a tryout out of Brown receiver.
Speaker 1: He was. He was an eleven to twelve year special
Speaker 1: team guy, just running down on kickoff. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, uh a Matthew Slater at that time. He
Speaker 1: was that type of guy and he he had some
Speaker 1: success play eleven years. Who do you do when you
Speaker 1: come into the yard. He tried to pick on, pick
Speaker 1: on the big guy. I'm the guy with the name right,
Speaker 1: So he came right at me hard all day, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And we got into it and
Speaker 1: I had to twist him up a little bit. But
Speaker 1: after practice I had to give him some love, man,
Speaker 1: because look, he trying to make the team. I'm already established.
Speaker 1: He's a free agent, you know, basically just got an
Speaker 1: opportunity because like he went to Brown, he earned everything. Man.
Speaker 1: So I look at Sean mulray or he was a
Speaker 1: dog because he wasn't afraid to come at me. You know,
Speaker 1: sometime if you want a guy, you go out the
Speaker 1: wrong guy, you're gonna get cut now. Sean, man, he
Speaker 1: always gonna have my respect. And I haven't ever got
Speaker 1: to tell him this in person outside of the time
Speaker 1: afterwards the practice. It was good man. I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, buy him a beer. Man. I said, man,
Speaker 1: you keep working, bro, and keep working. You gotta respect
Speaker 1: guys like that, got it. I mean that those are
Speaker 1: the I was one of those guys, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to do that kind of ship. Yeah, but can
Speaker 1: you walk us through beat for beat? The pick six,
Speaker 1: he's an easy one, that was. That was one of
Speaker 1: the easy you know, you know picks like because I
Speaker 1: always give credit to Rabel. You know, Rabel, you know,
Speaker 1: made him Aaron flow. It was one of those things
Speaker 1: where you know, he did the same thing that Indy
Speaker 1: used to do and start putting Marvin in motions. So
Speaker 1: they put Isaac in motion so I couldn't get him
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. And it was one of
Speaker 1: those places you had to back off, you going to
Speaker 1: motion and you just seen it, you're coming. Rabel got
Speaker 1: through so clean that okay, now I'm just reading him.
Speaker 1: And then it was an Aaron throw. So I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Hesitan case Isaac because he had an
Speaker 1: Isaac can route. He would rap the hell out of you.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, you're playing for the double move.
Speaker 1: It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't
Speaker 1: going in motion like that until then. So I was
Speaker 1: kind of trying to feel it out. So what type
Speaker 1: of games is gonna be? And Rabel came in there
Speaker 1: and he wind back the thought. I'm like, you bullshit,
Speaker 1: he dude, it come on, man, come on, Kirk, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it was coming like it
Speaker 1: was slow motion. I was sitting like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's the kind of shit you dropped
Speaker 1: because it's so easy. It's so easy and rop it.
Speaker 1: But you know, once I got it, man, all you
Speaker 1: seen was flashes and it was like everything would blank,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know it's like you hear the
Speaker 1: screens and it just went silent, and I'm running down
Speaker 1: there and just flashes and knowing that this is it,
Speaker 1: you know, in the super Bowl, and got that pick
Speaker 1: and the rest we rolle the hell out of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We wrote the hell out
Speaker 1: of that thing man. The hand that's just like I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I was doing, you know, I
Speaker 1: just I just it's super I just clew it up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's something that I've never
Speaker 1: done before in any of my picks or my pick six.
Speaker 1: I didn't throw it up. It was just something that
Speaker 1: just happened and I threw it up there and it's
Speaker 1: been the iconic picture ever since, so damn iconic. Insane.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's get back into this game real quick.
Speaker 1: You guys start off hot. You guys started off hot,
Speaker 1: did you? But you knew it wasn't it wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be over because of Peyton Manning, right. I mean
Speaker 1: you think about the people that they had on it.
Speaker 1: Look at their skill, guys. You got Edrin James, Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, you know a lot of Hall of Famers
Speaker 1: with the whole lot little rint mount of rings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a whole lot of Yeah, we got a lot of
Speaker 1: rings exactly. But you talk about some some some true
Speaker 1: some true dogs, you know what I mean, And that's
Speaker 1: what they had. I was like, Edrin James can play Marvin,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he wasn't like like a tough guy,
Speaker 1: but Marvin, he's gonna god damn compete, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I read a story that he didn't need
Speaker 1: to chase someone down for rent money once. Oh you
Speaker 1: know what, you know what? Yeah? He was he was.
Speaker 1: He was a quiet guy. He didn't talk a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't like, you know, you know those
Speaker 1: guys I want to sit and hang out with. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what, so saying he's not
Speaker 1: a dog, I was saying that from being a vocal
Speaker 1: you know, most receiver ship talkers, you know, like like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Isaac, He'll you could be warned up, He'll
Speaker 1: walk through your ship. He was that guy trying to
Speaker 1: get into you. Joe Horner talker, O Joe a talker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Even though they was tough,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and great players, but it
Speaker 1: was something different about somebody that's willing to fight you
Speaker 1: and not try to just get in your head. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I ain't got to do a lot of talking.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, he was that type of guy.
Speaker 1: But you look at their offensive skill position and their guys. Man,
Speaker 1: it's like god damn. So it's never over. It's never
Speaker 1: over with them. And we knew that, and we was
Speaker 1: giving it all all the week got and of course
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, you give him enough opportunities, he's going to
Speaker 1: make some plays. So you always got to respect your
Speaker 1: opponent and letting and know that they're going to make
Speaker 1: some plays too. Now you didn't play any special teams,
Speaker 1: Uh no, you know you're really good for I played
Speaker 1: my first year, you know what I mean. But then
Speaker 1: what we did take pride in and if Troy needed us,
Speaker 1: me and Lawyer, we love to be the gunner, like
Speaker 1: the guys that hold up there. That was that was
Speaker 1: that was, that was us on the avice. So my thing,
Speaker 1: we would always try to like the guys on the side.
Speaker 1: You guys score seventeen points with special teams, Hey, we
Speaker 1: try to knock the gator right down. That was the goal.
Speaker 1: So when we're out there as the gonna we line
Speaker 1: up insight. We want you to go outside the roger there,
Speaker 1: but you can get no, not just get him out
Speaker 1: of bounds. Were trying to knock over the gatorade. So
Speaker 1: that was the goal, to try to get them in
Speaker 1: the gator rade, you know what I mean. And we
Speaker 1: got a couple of people like that, you know, through
Speaker 1: the years, we lock them up. We trying to knock
Speaker 1: y'all's fucking drinks down, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: especially if we was on that sideline. But that was
Speaker 1: pretty much the only special teams kickoff, did that, and
Speaker 1: you know how you're supposed to go down there, and
Speaker 1: and I was never like the wedge guy. I was
Speaker 1: always want to call him fold as soon as they
Speaker 1: kick it. No, you've got to go down there phone
Speaker 1: so I could come in the back. I'm not going
Speaker 1: down there that you You tougher to me, Bro, you
Speaker 1: hear about this new thing. I think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: to that new XFL shit, what is I I couldn't
Speaker 1: I couldn't follow it.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna have not ten guys from the kickoff
Speaker 2: on the opposing forty five I think, or thirty five
Speaker 2: forty five, and then a ten yard gap with nine
Speaker 2: guys for the return team.
Speaker 1: So there's a ten yard cushion.
Speaker 2: Kickers still weigh in the back, kicking by himself, so
Speaker 2: they're taking We're all usually on that our own thirty five.
Speaker 2: They're bringing it all the way here. So there's a
Speaker 2: ten year cushion and you get two returners. You can't
Speaker 2: have any You can have a wedge on the front line,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be I don't know, it's fucking weird.
Speaker 1: You're taking away from great players. And I'm glad that
Speaker 1: he got in the Hall of Fame, where I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna really open up the doors for you know,
Speaker 1: specialist guys like yourself, you know, Devin Hester getting in, Man,
Speaker 1: that was an exciting part of the game when you're
Speaker 1: taking shit and taking the punt returns. Because that's a
Speaker 1: exciting part of the game. Man, How did you feel
Speaker 1: like that? Did you feel like that was like especially
Speaker 1: you were more of a you know, pure receiver then.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like that they took away from
Speaker 1: you specifically when you were doing more to returners when
Speaker 1: they start changing these rules. No, they haven't really changed
Speaker 1: punt Well I'm talking about the kickoff, the.
Speaker 2: Kickof Yeah, the kickoff when I was covering kicks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't ever in my generation by the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sucks because I was boys with all the teamers
Speaker 2: for like my first four or five years. You know,
Speaker 2: I hung out with the special teams guys, and that's
Speaker 2: their job. They're just eliminating jobs eight jobs.
Speaker 1: But then the exciting plays, you know, I played with
Speaker 1: Daunte Hall man, I mean, oh, man, beast, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You sit there like, you know, I
Speaker 1: was out on the field when Troy Brown and when
Speaker 1: we're doing that in Pittsburgh and the game, you know,
Speaker 1: I was out there on the field as as de vice,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like that's a
Speaker 1: big part of the game. You know. Kickoffs, man, you
Speaker 1: you do this, you don't get to see Devin Hester,
Speaker 1: how many kickoffs did you take up? I took four
Speaker 1: punt returns. I had two called back. That's it. You
Speaker 1: had two called back? Damn. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: You can never get mad at a guy trying hard
Speaker 2: on kickoff or you know in the kicking game because
Speaker 2: those guys get a holding call, you get a clip.
Speaker 2: Just try and work their for you, right, So Dane
Speaker 2: Fletcher and Patrick Chunk even impact.
Speaker 1: Like a Matthew Slater. I mean, I used to love
Speaker 1: watching Matthew on the kickoff. That's the only time I
Speaker 1: like look at the kickoff because Matthew sla gonna be
Speaker 1: the first one down to feel. He don't give a
Speaker 1: damn who in front of him. He running through it.
Speaker 1: He found a way and make the play. But it's
Speaker 1: taking away from god thing because guess what, you running
Speaker 1: down there fast as hell, it's going to be a touchback.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the new rule. They the new touchback.
Speaker 1: If you kick it in the end zone, they get
Speaker 1: it out. It's like they think the forty or the thirty,
Speaker 1: it's some big ass numbers. So they're they're trying to
Speaker 1: make it where you want to kick it in the
Speaker 1: kick zone, which is the twenty to the goal line.
Speaker 1: It's fucking weird. It's like some wow in theory.
Speaker 4: It's gonna make a little bit more like returns happen
Speaker 4: and just make it safer. But we'll see it's gonna
Speaker 4: be complicated and hard to fallow.
Speaker 1: Jackie, break down this game. Let's put a bow on
Speaker 1: this bad boy.
Speaker 3: This was a game that defense of the Patriots really
Speaker 3: ran this thing. Five turnovers, three picks by ty Law,
Speaker 3: three sacks by Jarvis Green. I didn't know he had
Speaker 3: three sat by Rodney, and in our mind's eye we
Speaker 3: were talking about this earlier, it really felt like a blowout,
Speaker 3: like as we look back on it, but it can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Colts at the ball with under two
Speaker 3: minutes left, marching down the field trying to tie this
Speaker 3: thing up, but uh gotta stop. Adam knocked through a
Speaker 3: field goal put us up twenty four to fourteen to
Speaker 3: ice that game. And uh it's became the second NFL
Speaker 3: game without a punt, crazy, right, no punts in this thing?
Speaker 4: Wild? There was there was a punt. There was an
Speaker 4: attempted punt of safety.
Speaker 3: It was a safety went by, uh went by the
Speaker 3: punter and he kicked it out of the back of
Speaker 3: the end zone for safety.
Speaker 1: You know you know what. I didn't know that. You
Speaker 1: know what that calls fort Okay, now we got to
Speaker 1: do the peer. We gotta run and done. No, this
Speaker 1: is the peer. This it's just pure potato. Now this
Speaker 1: is corn. Yeah, all natural, let's do it. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: to success to you guys, mane, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Hey and beating the Shehall of the Cold. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: look sure, all respect. Now what's the aftermath? The aftermath?
Speaker 1: New England goes on to beat the Panthers in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty sevens right, second super Bowl in three years,
Speaker 1: pretty much starting to get that dynasty talk, dynasty talk,
Speaker 1: dynasty talks coming. Uh.
Speaker 2: Indy would continue to struggle in the playoffs until twenty
Speaker 2: six two thousand and six, beat.
Speaker 3: The Bears in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Eat the Bears in the Super Bowl, which Ernie thinks
Speaker 1: that that was the super Bowl. That was the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Was that game that you guys that they lost in
Speaker 1: you know six because the Bears, the Bears were a
Speaker 1: caliber team.
Speaker 3: They had Rex Grossman starting at quarterback. I mean, no
Speaker 3: Shade erect come.
Speaker 1: On now, yeah, I mean that was I mean, they
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew what was going to happen. Then.
Speaker 1: I think it was uh, you know, you know, more
Speaker 1: rioting on the line just than just you know, Peyton
Speaker 1: getting his you know about you know, Tony dungeye b
Speaker 1: and one of the you know if African American you know,
Speaker 1: you know at the time it's gonna be African American.
Speaker 1: Another one, yeah, lef, you know, getting a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: ring and you know you're still you know, you're looking
Speaker 1: at that. Tony Dungee was awesome, Like Tony that you
Speaker 1: that you want to play for, you know, and he
Speaker 1: played the game. You know, Bill coached him.
Speaker 2: I think he coached him on special teams back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: I remember I saw an interview where Tony Dungee was
Speaker 2: talking about how Bill was his special teams coach.
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. But you know, it's different,
Speaker 1: like you know, I used to have the ship with
Speaker 1: Bill sometime and Eric Man Jenny, you know, my dB coach,
Speaker 1: and they'll say, like a certain technique. I'm like, have
Speaker 1: you ever stood across from random Moss coming fool speed
Speaker 1: at you to say to do this that that? Like man,
Speaker 1: hell no. But when you say the same thing to
Speaker 1: Herman networds, Oh yeah, yeah, look at I've been that
Speaker 1: TALLO say the full I been. I've been there, so
Speaker 1: her so her. It's like it's a little bit different
Speaker 1: when they play. So Tony Dungeon he played at the
Speaker 1: at the highest level, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was just one of those you know things that
Speaker 1: you know when I went there, it was such a
Speaker 1: difference playing like Belichick, he can see it, he can
Speaker 1: know it and all that stuff. But saying they didn't
Speaker 1: experience it, they didn't experience that speed and that you know,
Speaker 1: and what's really going on out in the field. So
Speaker 1: sometime as a young player, you know, and that's as
Speaker 1: a player in general, you know now that do you
Speaker 1: understand what's really going on out here? Do you see
Speaker 1: that man over there? Do you see the freak that
Speaker 1: damn Randy Moss t O and all you do you
Speaker 1: see that? But herm will let you know real quick.
Speaker 1: You know, I got I got thirty, I got thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty six somethingdy, He'll let you know it. And he
Speaker 1: got thirty plus in this league. So you ain't about
Speaker 1: to sit there and tell him, you know what's gonna happen. Hey, Man,
Speaker 1: love love her Man. HER's funny. Oh speech as ever. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean we watched him on the ESPN. Yeah, he's funny, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Eric little Bill, Yeah, we called we called you little Bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little little Bill told on the teacher. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm like, but you know when I went
Speaker 1: to first time, my first stint with the Jets, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was the second, you know, the first stint was
Speaker 1: with her, and then I went back again, you know,
Speaker 1: after I left Kansas City and I went to the
Speaker 1: Jets second time. That was you know, man, Jeanie was there.
Speaker 1: So you were there during all the spy games, huh Man.
Speaker 1: I was there late because I came in like at
Speaker 1: week eight. You know what I mean. I was. I
Speaker 1: was I was ratted Daddy out and then he was
Speaker 1: daddy No way. I was there. I was there with
Speaker 1: the I think I was new. What year was that
Speaker 1: I was still in New England? Was seven? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I was gone, you know, I was what I was
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I came back in eight, so, you know,
Speaker 1: but just going there and with Eric, because now now
Speaker 1: we had a different time Like when I went to
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls Eye, I always always bring Eric because
Speaker 1: he's a dbe coach of his family and we'll go
Speaker 1: over so we had a different type of bond of connection.
Speaker 1: So I should just try to tell him just be you.
Speaker 1: I think when people leave Belichick, they try to be Bill,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, no, it's only
Speaker 1: it's only one Bill. So I think even with Josh,
Speaker 1: I was there with that spike exactly. But it's like
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't. I didn't even know. But you know, Eric,
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I know where all the bones buried.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's what they know. Where that So
Speaker 1: and if you was doing that, which, like I said,
Speaker 1: as players, we never knew anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like when they say this and that, like
Speaker 1: when have you ever came in and seen another person's
Speaker 1: practice or anything like, I've never experienced that. So when
Speaker 1: people say that, what do the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 1: But then if if Eric was to say something, if
Speaker 1: he was the one to go out, Okay, Bill, you
Speaker 1: know who you're playing to. You don't gonna do that
Speaker 1: ship or if something is really going on like this,
Speaker 1: you didn't. You can't do that on the player, that
Speaker 1: on somebody that you was doing. So it was dumb
Speaker 1: on both day parts if that was the case. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I've never seen personally, have
Speaker 1: you ever seen a since you've been there, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen it when it was all coming out? I've
Speaker 1: never seen nothing like that.
Speaker 2: No, But I mean I was watching that that documentary
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and was there.
Speaker 1: Eric wasn't on it. Man, did Maie come on it?
Speaker 1: He's been banned from football if you noticed it. Huh.
Speaker 1: I know he's doing TV. But ever since he told
Speaker 1: on him, he ain't got a job.
Speaker 3: He did have a cameo on the Sopranos, so that
Speaker 3: was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: He was in the Sopranos.
Speaker 2: The Belichick in factors that someone is saying like, I
Speaker 2: don't want that my my my building.
Speaker 1: You know what? Secret? You know what? I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were saying and if you got black ball,
Speaker 1: because he had after you went, Check went to Cleveland Cleveland,
Speaker 1: so they still he still was at that. But you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta win, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: he hadn't do that. But if you was the one
Speaker 1: that called out and you participated, you know, if that
Speaker 1: was anything going on, it's like, that's hypocritical if that
Speaker 1: was the case. Like I'm keep saying that because I
Speaker 1: know people try to sound like I never seen the ship.
Speaker 1: I never know whether check you got to be a
Speaker 1: damn food if you do that to somebody that know,
Speaker 1: would the bones beard and seekers and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of like baseball. These fools
Speaker 1: are stealing each other signs all year long. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why you tell people's like if you see somebody with
Speaker 1: when can you ever do anything when you get the signal?
Speaker 2: Right, It's like you can't communicate it until the next
Speaker 2: game and things are changed anyways.
Speaker 1: But I'm just still mad at Eric Mangini. That was
Speaker 1: some bullshit. You can't be going literally, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like kind of like a little baby
Speaker 1: bird coming out of an egg. Bill literally sat on
Speaker 1: your ass and hatched you.
Speaker 2: And hatched you, and you're gonna go away from the
Speaker 2: nest and you're gonna go try to kill Mama bird.
Speaker 1: I think you know, like I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I get what you say. I think it's dumb if
Speaker 1: that was the case it was done on both day parts,
Speaker 1: because it's like if some situations like that was happening
Speaker 1: and he knew it, you know, not to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, to him, because he can you know, I
Speaker 1: don't get dog or you're a rat if you you
Speaker 1: think you can do it. I got to see the
Speaker 1: rest because I didn't know if he did that, and
Speaker 1: he and they said the only thing that he did it,
Speaker 1: that's some rat ship. That's rad ship right there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know speculation, you know, shoot after this,
Speaker 1: but we're not saying allegedly all. I got to let
Speaker 1: the rest of it. But like I said, I have
Speaker 1: never seen the stuff for me personally to be able
Speaker 1: to watch somebody press like the ram still Man Marshall
Speaker 1: f Marsha fawk Stills. That's my guy too, right there.
Speaker 1: You know, Marshall, it's over. Man, Oh broh, you talk
Speaker 1: about hell to prepare for it. Man, Marshall fall. Marshall
Speaker 1: falls a b is that exactly? Hell of a receiver, Marshall,
Speaker 1: if he wanted to and he trained at it, he
Speaker 1: probably could have been a productive receiver. That's how good
Speaker 1: he was, you know, out of the backfield. That's what
Speaker 1: people say. He was that good the scrolls route. But
Speaker 1: we still whip you all ass Yeah, physical exactly great,
Speaker 1: greatest show on Turn, the bed Track team all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and like they were extremely extremely talented. Man, you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about Tory Holt, the same thing was like
Speaker 1: the same thing Marvin Harrison, Reggy Wayne, you're talking about
Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce was one of the best routers to ever
Speaker 1: play the game, you know what I mean? And talking
Speaker 1: about stop on a jime. He was like you know Ricky, Yeah, Ricky.
Speaker 1: And then you had Tory hold Over there with that
Speaker 1: speed that could take the top off anytime. You had
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. Then Marshall fall. You had to like we
Speaker 1: had somebody in there, guys just rotting with marsh fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was that.
Speaker 2: One team that I was playing Madden and Ship you
Speaker 2: played right, exactly exactly right.
Speaker 1: And then Marshall fault, like we had somebody mimicking him,
Speaker 1: and it was just different guys rotating the number twenty
Speaker 1: eight because the job was we ain't gonna lose with Marshall,
Speaker 1: so somebody hit him. So you're talking about rookies a sore.
Speaker 1: We all put in a little something to give them
Speaker 1: extra check, you know, after we won that game, you know,
Speaker 1: and before we played the game, we all chipped in
Speaker 1: and all the guys that Scout Team, guys that played, uh,
Speaker 1: Marshall fault, we gave him a little bonus. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we were. That's what we did, man, because
Speaker 1: they was getting the ship kicked out of them all week.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, I didn't give no bonuses
Speaker 2: when we play against a dB unit that was noturist,
Speaker 2: you know, for holding in Bill. He was literally light
Speaker 2: up the Scout Team guys off sides in us holding us,
Speaker 2: They're gonna fuck hold you in the game at him,
Speaker 2: and what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 1: There? You know he do ship where he'd make make
Speaker 1: him hold us just to get us, you know, frustrated
Speaker 1: at practice because you know the team we were playing.
Speaker 1: I won't throw no teams under the bus. But you
Speaker 1: know who you are be holding the whole time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So so it was ever a dB,
Speaker 1: Like who was the dB that you was? Like? God damn.
Speaker 1: So like just like you said with you said Jimmy Smith.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because Reeves was probably the best corner I
Speaker 2: played with. But one of the guys that I hated
Speaker 2: matching up against was Jimmy Smith of the Ravens. Wow,
Speaker 2: he was a big, long corner, but he could get
Speaker 2: in and out of breaks. And I remember we used
Speaker 2: to I was training at API over in l out
Speaker 2: here in l A. And I remember him coming out
Speaker 2: for the draft. I think he went to Colorado. He's
Speaker 2: a first round draft pick and this dude was big,
Speaker 2: and he remembered doing his cone drows, Like this guy's
Speaker 2: fucking fast, he's quaking getting out of breaks. And it
Speaker 2: was just we used to play them twice a year
Speaker 2: all the time, in the playoffs and regular season. He
Speaker 2: was just he knew how to use his hands, he
Speaker 2: knew how to play me. You know, I thought he
Speaker 2: was always he was very competitive, and then he got older,
Speaker 2: he lost the lots something.
Speaker 1: We all did. But right, yeah, but I that battle
Speaker 1: I just remember, because we played in so many important
Speaker 1: games against him, right right, right, Okay, I just always
Speaker 1: respected him. Yeah, that's what's up, Jackie went. The legacy
Speaker 1: of this game. The legacy of this game.
Speaker 3: The Patriots beat Peyton Manning once again, go on to
Speaker 3: win Super Bowl against the Panthers and keep the streak rolling.
Speaker 3: If you remember, they won twenty one straight games from
Speaker 3: week five of three all the way to week eight
Speaker 3: of four when it came to an end against the Steelers.
Speaker 1: That's why I broke my foot. Damn, my friend, that's
Speaker 1: why they won it. Jones Straccher, huh fifth MINUATERSA No.
Speaker 1: I had a list, Frank, list Frank. I had a list, Frank.
Speaker 1: So that's why the tables turned right there. So hey, hey,
Speaker 1: my bad fellas Man because and then at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, it was because of my assignment. You know,
Speaker 1: I had Hines wherever and if you could see before
Speaker 1: I got you know, I broke my foot that game.
Speaker 1: You know, we I mean we we we had stuff
Speaker 1: under control, you know what I mean. It was about
Speaker 1: to be a rap. But then you have to change.
Speaker 1: And like I said, Sante came in and went on
Speaker 1: to have a hell of a career. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You can argue, oh whoa you said, Sante?
Speaker 1: How come with Sante hates Bill so much? Man? I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, because like I said's little brother man.
Speaker 1: And I think it started stilling with no, no, it's
Speaker 1: been I think it started with the contract stuff. So
Speaker 1: I think felt disrespected, you know, especially when I was gone.
Speaker 1: He was up next to get his contract and I
Speaker 1: and I think he felt like he's proven himself, which
Speaker 1: he did. You know, you look at the numbers, you
Speaker 1: know he put he put it out there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Sante Samuel got some damn numbers. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He can play, So he was
Speaker 1: the next He was the next guy up. You know,
Speaker 1: they released me after I broke my foot because I
Speaker 1: had this huge cap number, so I got released. Sante
Speaker 1: he stepped into that role, got stup bowl. Then guess
Speaker 1: what he's sitting there making plays. So when they didn't
Speaker 1: give him a long term contract and enfranchised him, all
Speaker 1: that it played on him because man, he wanted to
Speaker 1: be appreciated for what he's done. If you're not letting
Speaker 1: go and get some money, and that's didn't happen. So
Speaker 1: he went out there balled out, and I think that
Speaker 1: Sante has never forgotten what he went through to get
Speaker 1: to where he was at ended up going to get
Speaker 1: you know, his money, you know, elsewhere in Philadelphia and Atlanta,
Speaker 1: continued to make plays. So you know, much respect to
Speaker 1: you know, little brother, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I think his dislike towards Belichick stemmed from him not
Speaker 1: giving him his money and not giving him the respect
Speaker 1: that you know, he thought he deserved or rightfully deserved.
Speaker 4: You would have made that Picktown in Super Bowl. You
Speaker 4: would have made that pick thown.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, hey, but you know what he got plenty.
Speaker 1: I mean that was he was. He was a ball hog.
Speaker 1: He was a guy. He's always around the ball. The
Speaker 1: ball found him and the one thing that he can
Speaker 1: do is catch the ball, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And of course we all like, I think I would
Speaker 1: have really secured the m v P. But guess what,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't magnified like a Sciantas. He figured it's over.
Speaker 1: I dropped a pick in the Super Bowl that it
Speaker 1: would have really iced everything. I dropped it right in
Speaker 1: my hands. Everybody, look at the one that I caught.
Speaker 1: You see you know, hand up and there you see
Speaker 1: that one. It's another one that I should have caught,
Speaker 1: but I got blinded by the lights and all that,
Speaker 1: and I just know I dropped that ship. I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: damn it, I dropped that in the m v P
Speaker 1: with it, because now I had two picks. They were
Speaker 1: down in the reds on the bout to score, and
Speaker 1: they ended up they ended up scoring. But it was
Speaker 1: a pick that I would pick off any day of
Speaker 1: the week, and and I dropped it one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: made the big one. But that's what that would have
Speaker 1: iced the game right there, because they would stop they
Speaker 1: score driving. I mean, you know what it is. That
Speaker 1: was like I was coming over, I was covering Isaac
Speaker 1: like ship. Sometimes it's too good to be true. Yep,
Speaker 1: did we miss anything to the other big We talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier, but of course after this game, the
Speaker 1: tie law rule was enacted, changing the NFL as we.
Speaker 3: Know it today for the worst, for the worst pro offense.
Speaker 3: We're turning into basketball here. I mean, that's another big
Speaker 3: takeaway from this game.
Speaker 1: But the tie law rule. Yeah, mine got one too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the spotter rule. Remember when I got blown up by
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl, and uh well ever
Speaker 1: since then because I was staggered getting up, I still
Speaker 1: played now that they put in the spotter rule because
Speaker 1: of that, because now they'll pull you if they think
Speaker 1: you got a concussion. Wow damn. Yeah, yeah, that's better
Speaker 1: than that one. Hey.
Speaker 3: And of course this game and a whole slew of
Speaker 3: other great games led to Tie getting in the NFL
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame in twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: Seen. Hell yeah, appreciate it, man, thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: What is the coolest Hall of Fame perk that people
Speaker 3: might not know?
Speaker 1: You know what we used to be able to get.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they still got it, but we
Speaker 1: used to. We have something that we can go to
Speaker 1: any NFL game. So all you got to do is
Speaker 1: to make the call ahead of time, and you and
Speaker 1: a guest can go to any NFL game. We're talking box,
Speaker 1: are we talking? You know, like on the field before
Speaker 1: the game, because you got your Hall of Fame credential
Speaker 1: and you can go to anything outside of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Now that sh it don't work there, so they get
Speaker 1: all of you just walk there. But I think they
Speaker 1: give you up to like five or six games anytime
Speaker 1: you want to go to and you just got to
Speaker 1: you gotta call ahead of time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the regular seasons. If I'm out here, like I
Speaker 1: took advantage of it, you know here before to go
Speaker 1: see a game, you know what I mean, go do
Speaker 1: that and then we have a lifetime you know thing
Speaker 1: with top Golf, so you know, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we go get our first round or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, for.
Speaker 4: We're gonna start them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn it, I'm coming to you. I'm the official
Speaker 1: Voka the Hall of Fame to y'all giving us all
Speaker 1: these perks. Yeah, have you been that one over there? Man?
Speaker 1: I haven't Okay, No, I ain't been over there by
Speaker 1: the airport or that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look like I'm like ten minutes from I haven't
Speaker 1: been there yet. Yeah. We got to name the game type.
Speaker 1: We got the tie Law game, the Peyton Pickoff game,
Speaker 1: that ty Law Rule game, or do you have any
Speaker 1: other suggestions for what the name of the game could
Speaker 1: be or you could pick one of these hmmm. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Berman coined something for me, man, and
Speaker 1: that and that's special to me because it was the
Speaker 1: great Chris Berman. You know, you would always do this
Speaker 1: talk about I fought the law and the Law won.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know what it was, like, Oh
Speaker 1: that's cool when I found out it was a damn song,
Speaker 1: you know if the law and you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's cool. It ain't like my music, but hey,
Speaker 1: I like that, man. So I mean I thought the
Speaker 1: Law and the Law one. Yeah, so shout out shout
Speaker 1: out to Chris Burban man for man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game
Speaker 2: of all time? Let's score its stakes? Zero to ten decimals? O, K,
Speaker 2: what are the stakes?
Speaker 1: And this is we're talking about the MC Championship.
Speaker 2: You We've had Brandy Chestain to talk about a championship,
Speaker 2: World Cup game. You've had World Series, comebacks of Pro Bowl,
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl stakes zero.
Speaker 1: So a super Bowl? Is this the greatest game of
Speaker 1: all time? I would think, you know, for me, I
Speaker 1: would say the second. I would say the second because
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you're the only game in town, and
Speaker 1: you know, being fortunate enough to be on the other
Speaker 1: side of a play that everyone's remember, I would got
Speaker 1: to say that because you got to close it out.
Speaker 1: There's one thing of getting there, but there's another thing
Speaker 1: of getting there and closing out. So I would say
Speaker 1: that was the second greatest uh you know game for me,
Speaker 1: star power wise zero to ten. You gotta score it.
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta score it. Oh score it. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, what's hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Star power? What do you mean by that? Give
Speaker 1: me a.
Speaker 4: Players players star power?
Speaker 1: You know, think about it. We had the two that's
Speaker 1: a ten too. Ever, that's the two greatest quarterbacks you know,
Speaker 1: of the time, and now one is the greatest ever
Speaker 1: and the other one you know, he's top five, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, can't beat that. How many Hall of famers
Speaker 1: now including you know, like I said self, Seymour, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: man Ship, Oh we got nine between those two teams.
Speaker 1: It's going to be about eight nine of us. So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Gameplay, like, how was the gameplay of the game? You
Speaker 2: know what, back and forth, defensive battles.
Speaker 4: Those five field goals in the safety, you know.
Speaker 1: What as a defensive player, I would have to put
Speaker 1: that up and say that was I would say that
Speaker 1: was That's a hard nine. You know, that's a hard nine.
Speaker 1: That's a hard nine because you know, you want the
Speaker 1: game to come down to that. You know, with all
Speaker 1: this scoring and all this offense and all that, this
Speaker 1: is how the game is. You know, defense wins championships
Speaker 1: and that's why we got there. So I would say
Speaker 1: that's a hard nine because I don't I would say
Speaker 1: a teen. But you got to give you know, the
Speaker 1: other guys some credit, so you know, hard integrity right there.
Speaker 1: What's the name of the game? Score the name though,
Speaker 1: I fought the law and the law one game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that one because that one in three picks, man,
Speaker 1: they fought me to score the name ten that I
Speaker 1: fought the law and the law one. That is, that's
Speaker 1: all I got a song, that's right, baby, Nine point
Speaker 1: seventy five. Let's see where it ranks in the games
Speaker 1: that we've done tied thus far. That is a very
Speaker 1: high you right, number two? Yeah. AFC Championship game superne
Speaker 1: Patriots versus Chiefs. So what they got us at? I
Speaker 1: can't see it? Where where we at? You're right, you're
Speaker 1: in between, yeah, and where else? Jackie.
Speaker 4: Game six to the twenty eleven NBA Finals, Maverick versus
Speaker 4: heat Mark Cuban came in and it was just kind
Speaker 4: of a little wild. So that one's high Mark.
Speaker 1: Cuban gave it all tens. I think, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's above the Giants and Patriots super Bowl
Speaker 4: eighteen to one game. It's above the Alcs, two thousand, Yankees,
Speaker 4: Red Sox. That's a that's our second overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just saying, but you think about it, man,
Speaker 1: that that magital to that game, you know, and the
Speaker 1: star power I mean, just the anticipation, the weather. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was that was how football is posedbly Man, we're
Speaker 1: talking about it twenty years later, literally twenty years later,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it. Ty, we miss anything about this game?
Speaker 1: No we did. I think, uh, we got we we
Speaker 1: got everything covered right there. We get we get, we
Speaker 1: covered everything, you know what I mean? Because I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't get no, you can't get no better than that.
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Speaker 4: What are an apple? So that was fiftieth game?
Speaker 3: How apropos for our fiftieth That we we went wild apropos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby fifties instantly comes to your mind.
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, Mike Redmankovich, Roman, zachar Oh Oh, David Robinson,
Speaker 3: the Admiral.
Speaker 1: Good fifties out there, some good fifties.
Speaker 3: Zach Randolph Zebo earlier on the Grizzlies, some.
Speaker 1: Guys who else there's like a there's another fifty out there.
Speaker 4: And also all you hotline callers. We uh, we were
Speaker 4: planning on doing it for this episode, but it went long,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'd rather have Tylot talk to Steve
Speaker 4: from Canton.
Speaker 1: So we'll bump in next and he's got some hot
Speaker 1: Steve is from Canton. He's definitely talking town Spa, some
Speaker 1: fucking bo pizza. I know it's in Stoton, Sam, but
Speaker 1: if you live in the line right next to Stoton,
Speaker 1: you go to goddamn town Spa.
Speaker 2: Well, what an interview. Thanks again to ty Law. That's
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