WEBVTT - "2003 AFC Championship" with Ty Law | Colts vs. Patriots 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.640 You saw early Tom. That's a difference. See we had 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.800 Tom Brady. You had Tom motherfucking Brady. See that that's 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.440 who he was. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:12.920 You're drinking Tom had exactly I had chisel jaw, avocado 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:20.240 e beautiful hair. How do you smell good after practice? Tom? 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.360 Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:25.319 with Tye. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.560 You fought the law and the law won. This is 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.840 the game to go to the Super Bowl. We're playing 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:39.080 against our rivals in Peyton Manning. You are one of. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.760 The greatest past defenders I've ever watched. Could you have 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.599 dominated in this this generation? 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.280 I would adapt. I'll say if I played the way 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.120 that I played, I probably wouldn't get no check. You 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.120 know you're gonna get fine on everything we would have fought. Yeah, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.960 we would have been fined. But guess what, we've been 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:55.920 drinking a beer afterwards. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.880 Your years that you played. Picked off Dan Marino, Yeah, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.080 picked off Steve Young. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.959 Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly. My 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.840 longest interception was off Tom though. That picks it. What's 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.080 your best Bill Belichick story? You want me give you 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.920 one more? That's your in my contract? Shot up? Oh? 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.080 God damn it. Shot o'clock, Shot o'clock. I mean we're 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:20.720 talking Bill. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:25.400 You gotta get a little toasty. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.520 So let's go to Bill's ass. Right. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:31.880 So, Games with Names is a production of iHeart Radio. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:38.080 Welcome to Games with Names. This is our fiftieth game, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:38.840 the Big five. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.800 Oh what a game for fifty two. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.280 We made it guys, fifty two, we made it fifty 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.200 also fifty as well. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.680 We lost fifty two. Oh fuck yeah. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.680 But thank you guys for watching and support and it's 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.440 been so fun awesome. It's been awesome to hear read 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:02.640 the comments on all the platforms. Uh, listening to the voicemails. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.280 It's pretty it's pretty fun to still be connected with, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.160 you know, people that love sport. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.359 It's it's been great and you can't wait to see 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:15.600 him at the live show. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.440 To live show. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.520 We're gonna pack it out. What we do that chromeo, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.079 let me look that. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:28.640 What can we doing today? 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.880 Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship game, with. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:39.360 The Colts traveling in to old Foxborough, snowy fox Burrow 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:45.760 against the Patriots with no one other than the man 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.919 who literally smelled blood in the water when Peyton Manning 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.720 was throwing the football tie. You fought the law and 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.000 the law one. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:02.120 We get into talking the difference between Tom Brady and 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.240 Tom motherfucking. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.280 Braik, Tom motherfucking Brady. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.880 We also get into uh, what's a dog? Who's a dog? 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:19.960 The definition of dog, a lot of dog talk. And 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.880 we also took a few shots of Corbus vodka. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.160 If you can tell the first episode that we let 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.440 them throw them back on. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.079 Geez, there goes the detox we got. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.400 We might have to do games with names after dark. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.520 Get an alcohol sponsor, start. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.520 Letting it fly times. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.680 Well, this is a great episode. I can't wait. Let's go. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.880 Let's go, Hell yeah, let's go. January eighteen, two thousand 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:53.160 and four, to let Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts. On the snowy 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.680 day in New England. Peyton Manning in the coast are 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.680 looking to punch their ticket to the super Bowl. But 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:03.600 sometimes even a sheriff has to answer to the law. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:12.160 I fought the law one game. I fought the law 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:13.040 and I got drunk. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.200 Welcome to Games and Names, and we have an unbelievably 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:20.160 special guest. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.240 We have Ty Law in the studio. Welcome to Games Names, 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.679 but oh man thank you, thank you for having me. Man. Hey, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.679 I'm a big fan right now. Man, I'm a fan boy, Julian. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.640 He was a beast dog. I'm trying to tell you, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.320 bro was you was a fucking animal. Man. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.240 You know what hearing that from you means so much 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:40.120 because you are one of the greatest past defenders I've 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.160 ever watched, and it was it was crazy And we're 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.599 gonna go over the two thousand and three AFC Championship 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.680 game Colts verse Pats, and it was in the biggest moments, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.120 the biggest games that you always saw ty Law make 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.960 the big play when the team needed the big play. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.960 Now, why'd you pick this game? Why do you like 0:04:59.000 --> 0:04:59.320 this game? 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.400 And we'll get we'll get into the details of it. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.839 But like off cuff, why'd you pick this game? 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:06.360 I think it started for where I grew up in 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:12.160 all Equippa, Pennsylvania. I mean, we eight slipped played football, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.960 you know, we played basketball to stay in shape for 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.360 football and it's for something to do. So, I mean, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.640 it's just my town in my city, That's what it 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.240 was all about. So the first people I looked up 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.040 to were the high school guys when I was when 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.359 I was a jit, you know what I mean. So 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.799 I looked up to those guys because they were the popular, 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.640 They were the stars around town. In my little hometown, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.400 everything shuts down when it comes to football, you know, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:36.720 you would think you would be at a floor to 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.120 state game. And I'll equippa, because we got the horse, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.520 we got the fire Every time somebody scores, when you're 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.360 in the town, you hear the fireworks going off. So 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.159 it was a real community type of feel. And you 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.520 wanted to be out there, and that's what And I 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.120 knew that that was my ticket, if anything, you know, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.880 to get out and make a better name for myself, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.200 better life for myself. And you did. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.320 And and what was in the water out there in 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.640 in western Pennsylvania because Dicka came from there, Reeves came 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.760 from there. Two of I played with Reeve and he 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.440 was probably the best corner I got. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.640 To play with. You missed the name Jules, the great, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.039 one of the greatest, who was greater than all in 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:20.000 my opinion, Tony dor said, Tony Door, So al, equippa. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.320 We got four in the Hall of Fame. Four Hall 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.599 of famers. Yeah, yeah, So the only town and like 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.080 population of what seven eight if you know what I mean. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.960 And we got four Pro Football Hall of Fame. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.480 Yeah, I mean, well, I used to play. I went 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.160 to Kent State and we used to play. We used 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.720 to have all the Western Pa kids. Our little running 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.640 back was Eugene Jervis and he was a stud. And 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.960 it was very apparent that Western Pennsylvania, that Pittsburgh, that 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.360 area that you're in. It was these they love football 0:06:54.040 --> 0:07:01.080 like die eat sleep football. And it's gotten kind of 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.279 away from that. What do you think about the game 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.440 right now? And how the hunger do you still see 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.800 guys from your area still coming out and balling out? 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.560 Absolutely? Aliquippa for this year. The new hins Field. By 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.040 the way, I want to send a shout out to 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.120 the Heines Corporation because of course they were the Steelers, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.480 right everyboy new Heines Field. That's where you and I 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.280 played at Heines Field. I guess the big dot coms 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.560 came and they changed it. So Hines put an interest 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.680 in Aliquippa because we never had a track, we never 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.760 had a great feel. Whatever we dealt with and what 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.600 we played it with, we made it our own. They 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.240 came and opened up a brand new stadium this past 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.920 year and it's beautiful. It was beautiful. And guess what 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.200 went undefeated for the first time. Let's go and man, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.440 it's been crazy. And they're working on the state championship 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.320 right now in basketball, playing right now up by eighteen. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.000 So I'm keeping in touch with my guys right now. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.880 But Aliquippa is everything to me. Man, you grew up 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:02.240 a Steelers here. Hell no, hey, I was out. I 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.800 grew look, I grew up a cowboy fan. Although I 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.800 respect the Stealers and everybody in my hometown, they were 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.080 diehard stealers and the only thing that used to irritate 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.200 me is that when we played them after I got 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.600 to the NFL, they wanted me to win. They wanted 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.120 me to get five interceptions. I could in the game, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.880 but they want me to be on the other side 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.040 of the score on the other side of the scoreboard 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.680 and the loser bracket. That's how die hard the Pittsburgh 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.080 Faithful is. But you know I was. I want to 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.760 do something different. That's why I didn't go to pitt 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.640 Everybody from ala Quippa, you think about Mike Dicker, Tony 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.560 dor Set, Drel Reeves, they wanted to pit I wanted 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.520 to do something different. You know, it's nothing against Pitt, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.400 but I wanted to. I didn't want to be to 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.679 try to be the next Tony door Set because that's 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.680 what everybody was because I was, you know, running back 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.880 and all that stuff touchdowns. But I wanted to be 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.520 the first time law. I realized, you can't be the 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.959 next twenty door set. He's one of one. But I 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.440 want to be one of one. And that's why I 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.000 decided to go to the University of Michigan and just 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.439 flip it up because a lot of the top athletes 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.560 always go to Pitt or Penn State, and Penn State 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.160 was out the goddamn question. I mean, you don't see nothing. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.760 You don't see nothing fucking corn fields and everything. When 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.880 I was there at the time, you know what I mean, 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.720 I thought I was children of the corner. I seen 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.959 Malachi him up there. I was like, oh hell no, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.160 I man, I was never going up there. I was scared. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:17.160 Never been out there. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.320 You ain't missing that thing anything specific in this two 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.920 thousand and three AFC Championship that that sticks out right 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.160 when you think about it. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.319 Just the magnitude of the game. You know, if this 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.439 is the game to go to the Super Bowl. We're 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.199 playing against you know at that time, you know our 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.440 arch Nyms is our rivals in Peyton Manning, you know 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.120 the face of the league and you know along with Tom, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.360 so it was big and for me personally, I knew 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.280 I had to go play like I had to get 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.000 up for that game, you know these kind of games 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.280 you circle, because I had to go against the great 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.559 Marvin Harrison, you know what I mean, and Peyton Manny 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.960 and I knew I was gonna get opportunities, so I didn't. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.760 I was always afraid of being on the wrong end 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.840 of the highlights. Man, I did you cause you gotta 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.400 wait a week to get some redemption. And guess what, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.480 you can't wait no week then you lose that game. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.079 You gotta wait a whole nother year to get some 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.320 whole another year and the exactly exactly, the low lights exactly, 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.960 And I was not about to have that. So I 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.480 mean I was extra motivated, you know, you know, for 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.120 that game, and for whatever reason, he kept coming my way. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.120 I mean, dumbest shit ever. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.960 But you know my favorite thing about this game. You 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.559 talk about Marvin Harrison, you hat the same amount of catches. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.600 He did that was crazy, right, that mean, you know what, 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.880 and with all due respect to Marvel, because I knew 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.199 I had to put on you know, he was a stud. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.880 I mean he had that quickness. And you see his 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.440 son right now, Oh my god, I mean that looked 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.200 like the most pro ready rookie receiver that I've ever seen. Man, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.800 he's gonna go top ten, yeah, exactly, five, I think 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.360 he might. I think he's gonna go top five. And 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.320 in the Patriot everything from his dad. Could you imagine 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.360 Marvin his dad with that size. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.720 Oh my god, we're looking at it potentially, yes, exactly, 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.240 We're looking at it. And you know that he's got 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.240 you know, when your dad is Marvin Harrison and you're 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.920 a bigger guy. Different, But you know, he was doing 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.120 all those little drills that Marvin used to get those 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.679 little comebacks at the fucking yes. Then he used to 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.560 run that little comeback at the front line. Almost they 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.160 used to run like the fake fake come back. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.960 Yeah yep, yeah, I mean I mean he shoulders. He 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.280 was so good at that. But how I used to 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.840 try to combat Marvin is to be physical. But I 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.920 was like that with everybody, you know, to try to 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.160 be physical. But really him. I say, you know what, sometime, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.520 let me go ahead and attack, you know, right away, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.080 and I like to play him on the line of scrimmage. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.520 I wasn't silly enough to play Marvin play him off. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.400 Hell no, you can't give him space. So maybe if 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.400 I attack right now, make him uncomfortable, Peyton to go 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.360 like this and go elsewhere, you know what I mean. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.920 That was that was my job scrimmage exactly. When at 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.720 the line of scrimmage, man, they started putt him in 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.560 motion though. That was the that was the thing they 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.320 used to do because I used to try to. I 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.280 used to get him at the line of scrimmage. They'll 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.400 put him in motion to short motions and stuff like that, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.840 exactly exactly. It's crazy. You've been watching this dynasty. Yeah, look, 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.720 I got to be honest. I only watched the first 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.360 you know, I think the first three or three or 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.640 four episodes because it's two parts on each one. But 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.360 from what I'm hearing, you know, I don't like what 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:10.880 I'm hearing. I got to really sit down. I've been 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.960 so busy, you know, with Mabaka and just just keeping 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.040 my head down doing me. But I don't like what 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.720 I'm hearing what how they're making Bill look out, they're 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.160 portraying Bill. I haven't you know, seen it, so I 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.079 got to see it for myself to get a real assessment. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.839 But just from a lot of people, I mean, I 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.800 don't like it because he make him look look bad guy. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.360 I don't like that. We got to talk about this 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.200 politically because we still love the people that produced it, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:41.160 right absolutely, But I mean it's I mean, it's crazy 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.360 to watch some of this and and you know, I 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.200 did a four hour interview for this thing YouTube. Yeah, 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.120 I was in for. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.080 Like two seconds because I didn't talk shit about Bill. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.480 I think I got the same thing because I was there. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.640 I probably was there over four hours. And I drove, 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.760 you know, down to Naples because Bill Parcells he was 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:04.800 I think he did it the day before I did 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.480 end and then I mean I went down there. I 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.520 mean it was an all day event, you know, and 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.520 we they took a couple of little sound bites, but 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.480 it was a hell of a lot more to the 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.320 story of what as far as you know, how I 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.079 view things, you know what I mean, And they didn't 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.320 quite put that in there, nah, But I mean. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.000 It's Hollywood, right, you know, what I mean, you got 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.040 it's clickbaity. You know, it's one of those things where 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.960 it's gonna grab attention. People are gonna watch it. And 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:30.920 you know, I tip my cap to the people that 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.960 made it because we're talking about it. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.120 We're talking about it right. No, they started off hot though. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.120 I was like, Okay, this is gonna be good. I'm like, oh, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.640 we're gonna rivel the last dance off of this one. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 I'm feeling like, Okay, they're about to really amp it up, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.720 you know, because I was interested to hear the story. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.640 You know, with you guys, I've seen it. You know 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.840 what I've seen it, what's portrayed of the story exactly, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.360 you know what I mean being around there, but I 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.240 wasn't in the locker room. It's a little bit different 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.480 when you know, you know, you take yourself out of it. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.200 You've been a part of this journey. You've seen you 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.920 were on the field when the hit happened, the drew. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.400 You've seen Tom's progression and how we used to get 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.920 on him and you know him being like, you know, 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.640 a young guy and just so hungry. You know, you've 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.559 seen his like hunger to try to get out there 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.920 on the field, but no one can anticipate he would 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.040 be the goat. And for anybody to to say they've 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.280 seen that, it's full of shit because no one's seen 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.200 that he would be the It's not even argument the 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.280 greatest quarterback of all time. My thing is the greatest 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.680 football player of all time. That's how I feel about 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.520 Tom Brady. Who's the greatest quarterback? Tom Brady? And I 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.120 don't know, no, but you know what I mean. It's like, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.120 you know how some Jews, you know how some stuff 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:44.760 is debatable, And I mean you can sit there talk 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:49.840 about you know, hockey, you know Greg Gretzky is gret Sky, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.680 and then you got a whole lot of other guys 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.440 music or the other guy that is, you know, making 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.240 all the ways you can talk about basketball, it is 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.960 always going to be a debate with who was better 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.520 or Michael Lebron instead of just looking at those guys 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.240 or they were great and they in their time for 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.360 what they did for the game. You got to add 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.320 even Kobe in there, you know what I mean. If 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.880 you want to put the thing on championships or best games, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.000 you got to talk about Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, regardless 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.040 of what error that they was in. But there is 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.120 a debate, there is absolutely no debate when it comes 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.360 to who's the greatest quarterback of all time? You can 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.320 say football player, because some people still think because of 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.560 the Red Shirts, that they wasn't football players, you know 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.320 what I mean. But I think Tom surpassed that notion, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.040 you know, of being as tough and as resilient as 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.800 he was taking the hits, getting up, talking shit, getting 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.280 in people's face. He was just a different breed. But 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.360 it is no debate whatsoever of who's on the mount 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.960 rushmore of the quarterback position. You know, it's people that's 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.400 having some great stuff done. Right now, let's talk about 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.560 Patrick Mahomes. He's doing some great, great things. But to 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.360 put him, for some to say, in Tom Brady category, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.160 come on, man, too early, too soon. You gotta let 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.320 it shape out exactly. He's doing some great things and 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.320 great things, and he's unbelievable. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.040 But we just watched his documentary. I mean, I gotta 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.640 see some crazy adverse situation. You gotta overcome someone's gonna die. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.000 The honeymoon honeymoon, right, and to be able to, you know, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.160 do it as consistently as he's done it. I mean, damnit, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.640 he was batting damn near five hundred to go to 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.360 Super Bowls throughout his old career. That's crazy. So you 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.800 have to play long enough to even be in the conversation. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.480 We got to start the conversation with it for right now, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.760 with Patrick Mahomes, even though he's on that trajectory, here's nobody. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.720 There's no denying that man. Love his game. I mean, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.280 it's the new breed. But you got to start with Montana. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.000 You got you gotta get him first, you know what 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.600 I mean. You got Terry, you gotta get got exactly 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.400 then Terry Bradshaw, he got four. What will we be 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.400 talking Original TV twelve. What will we be talking about 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.080 right now? If Jim Kelly happened to win for Super 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.880 Bowls in the row, he will be in the conversation. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:05.080 Unfortunately they didn't win. But I think certain people get 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.919 a lot of kudos for going to the championship. But 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.600 you got to close it out, closed door. You got 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.520 to close it that damn though. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.840 Now you saw early tom what do you what do 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.199 you think what's the biggest thing he developed or what 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.200 did you see in the later part of his career 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.119 that he developed through his career. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:26.680 What made him special to you the willingness one to 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.480 learn not have that much ego to where he wasn't 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.320 that he couldn't you know, got frustrated with not getting 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.560 this opportunity. I respect Tom so much for when he 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.720 got that opportunity, he took it and ran with it. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.520 And I think you know when I said on the Dynasty, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.240 you know, we were going out, We're doing our little 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.360 team dinner and myself Tom Llawyd malloy going up and 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.159 he was like, I ain't giving this shit back. You know. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.080 That's all you can say is that, you know, that's 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.960 the spirit, you know, hey, but me and Laurie looked 0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:00.840 at you like, bullshit, that's a hunted million dollars and 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.119 may you're going back to the pine, big buddy when 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.760 Drew come back. I mean, that's just what we thought 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.679 from the business side of it. But when he was 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.840 out there to play, all we asked him was don't 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.880 don't blow it, you know what I mean, don't turn 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.280 the ball over. He didn't develop into Tom Brady the 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.000 best that we ever seen in our life. At that time. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.919 He was still a young guy. You know. We had 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.679 a run game our defense was phenomenal. I mean you, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:26.840 I mean, you're not going to put up a lot 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.439 of points on him. We had like the number one, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.560 number two defense in the league, you know what I mean. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.800 We were like that. So I mean he got to, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.480 you know, come in easy, not as much pressure. But 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.960 when it was time, that's when you kind of seen 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.200 that something special about this kid is when in crunch 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:48.600 time as a young buck, he was cool. He was 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.920 always real chilly. And then you start seeing him take 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.320 more of a leadership role, a more vocal role, because 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.040 he wasn't that vocal you know before. I don't think 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.560 he was that confident to get up in front of 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.119 the team. Got guys, you know, both guys like a 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.000 Teddy Bruce kid, Willie McGinnis and those guys. They did. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.560 They did a lot of the talking, you know what 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.800 I mean. Lawyer, you know, he was a big talker. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.560 You know, sometime you got to tell a lawyer to 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.200 shut the head up. Man, we're trying to go home. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:14.919 But he liked to get at you know the end 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.679 of the speech. I normally hear this when he see it, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.440 but sometime I'd be like, lawyer, man, would you shut 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.960 the head up so we can go home long ass day, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.120 you know. But Tom eventually became that person to you know, talk, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.320 and he gained everybody's respect. Man, so you know much 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.280 love to the go. Was there a specific game where 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.120 you're like, all right, we could win with this guy. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.000 He's a super Bowl caliber quarterback. Now it may not 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.879 have been that first seedson that first super Bowl, but 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.679 somewhere along in this two thousand and three season, I mean, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.440 you guys started, you guys were fourteen to two. I mean, 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.960 from the time that he won the super Bowl and 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.439 became this big phenomenon and you know, everything that had 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.800 happened and transpired during the season, you've seen it right there. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.159 He came in the next you know season with a 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.760 different type of confidence, different type. No, he didn't let 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.680 the fame get to his head to where he wasn't 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.880 willing to put in that work. And he did that 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.480 because I'm telling you, I think, I know we gave 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.720 him a hard time because we didn't trust you yet. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.200 You know what I mean, you just you just got here. Yes, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.320 you're our teammate, but it's our job to talk shit 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.840 every time in practice and put it throw it back 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.000 in your face. You know, we was all talking at 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.439 all times. He throw that over here. Sometimes I wouldn't 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:30.760 even pick it up. I just backed the mother's bucker. 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.120 I ain't gonna throw that bullshit. You know that's a pick. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.639 Come on, man, William McGinnis is Addy Rabel, I mean Rabel, 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:44.040 wass man. It is nothing that is off limits, you 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.080 know when it when it comes to you know, Rabel 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.119 in his answer, whatever he might say, you know what 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:49.960 I mean, as long as they ain't. You know, it 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.600 might even be on a borderline personal, you know, for rape. 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.280 You know, he might say something about your mom and 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.480 your sister. I mean, just anything. But that's how he motivated, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.200 you know what I mean. And and like I said, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.640 he would just touch that line and back up off 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.440 of it, you know what I mean. Rabel was the 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.240 guy that passing out the damn drinks before practice. Cold 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.840 as hell. We used to have to drive, see Jude, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.119 you you came in when the when the house was built, 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:14.439 we had to drive the practice. Man. We in there 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:15.800 a bunch of like a little bunch of Pop Warner 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.080 kids would show the paths and hammels and benzes and 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.960 ship going to practice. You know, everybody got their little 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.119 Rabel got the flask over. Everybody go take uswigs next thing. 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:26.919 You know, everybody keeping something in the car. So we 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.480 out there as cold as hell. Cold cold sounds like 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.760 you today. Oh yeah, Mike Rabel, thanks man, you know 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:38.439 you inspire me. Oh my gosh. I used to be 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.840 in that training room and oh, Jimmy Whalen used to 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.960 tell us all the stories. The stories he tell us, 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:46.560 the Rabel stories. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.640 He'd say, Tyla would come in on a Monday, he'd 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.640 go jog the dunkin Donuts, grab his coffee, and then 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:55.400 jogged back. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.359 Is that true? What's that story all about? He got 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.720 it a little wrong, But I know he got it 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.000 wrong with that. I ain't jogging the damn dunkin Donuts 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.120 and jog back with a coffee. I used to come 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:10.000 in every morning to jog. I'll do five miles period, 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:11.919 you know what I mean. So I did that every 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.440 every day. I mean, people would come in. I'm already 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.840 seeing me on the highway, even if it's snowing. I'm 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.520 I'm jogging. I'm trying to get it in because you 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.760 know my job. We gave this like the cover two shell, right. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.120 But Bill always say you on your own, so we'd 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.000 roll the coverages as we give a look. But I 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.600 was always, you know, basically man or zone playing man, 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:33.080 you know what I mean. So I just had to 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.520 keep myself in that type of shape. And I was 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.520 always one of those guys that can get a little 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.720 fick shell shit. I gotta I gotta keep on I 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.720 gotta keep on running. So I did that every day, 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.199 and then on Thursdays, I ran the whole stadium. So 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.159 I would do that before practice, sure before before, I 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.000 do that before meetings. I'm already lathered up before meetings. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:54.760 Some people come in and get a little lift in, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.280 get breakfast before meetings, or do it in between. I 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.440 came in at six thirty in the morning every day, 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.040 you know, and I'm talking about legit, you know, four 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.119 to five miles, and it was like it's four and 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.360 a half miles. I did with my car, same route 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.320 up and down, and Thursdays, hit the whole state, in 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.200 the whole bottom row. You got to hit every step, 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:20.680 do the whole run. But Friday, massage, Saturday nothing, game time. Sunday, fucking. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.520 We had Ernie on, Ernie Adams on. Oh just the 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.360 other day he was saying that Rabes used to wreck 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.760 scout team practice because he'd like be out there calling 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:28.959 out exactly what they're gonna do. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.320 Oh yeah, Rabel was gravy. That's why he's such a 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.360 good coach, you know what I mean. So, I mean, 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.480 it's the scout team and they're trying to work on something, 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.680 and that's just Ray being Raye, you know, calling it out, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.080 you know, just letting the offense know that I know 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:44.679 what you're about to do, you know what I mean? 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.000 And I'm gonna tell my boys. But he was always 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.639 coaching out there. But even out on the field, you know, 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.400 Rabo was a coach. Bruski was that quarterback man. It's 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.000 like I always tell people I would I wouldn't be 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.480 where I am today as a as a Hall of 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.600 Famer without that. Damn Teddy Bruski. No why, I ain't 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.240 know what the hell was going on. I'm like, who 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.880 I got? Give me him? Brusk be like, hey, Ti, 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.000 you got anymore? We're doing this because I would never 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.239 come into the huddle. So if you watch the you know, 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.399 old films, you will never see me going in the 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.159 huddle and everybody run back to her. Damn it I'm 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.880 too tired. I just ran you know, nine nine nine 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.560 routes because if you're playing bump and run, people would 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.000 always just run you off, you know. Man, So I 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.240 was fade fade. I get so many of them a game, 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.040 because you know, I'll cut the route off and it 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.880 converts to a fade. So Bruski would I would look, 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:31.639 He'll tell me you got this, you got this. If 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.600 I'm sitting there, I go like this to brew when 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.399 did I'm tired? He'll call the cover too, just to 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.200 give me a break. And he come back to the 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.600 sideline romos to get on him. Bru What the fuck 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.440 was that? He like, fucking tie was tired, you know, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.159 and he said it's it's on me, And so I 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:50.080 was like, thank you, Bruce. You know. So there we 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.439 had that kind of thing where he'll just know, you know, 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.320 if I was blue out, and he'll sit there and 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.160 just do that just to give me a break. 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.400 What a what a guy who's the hardest working guy 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.600 in the defense or is one of those things because 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.359 it was always the saying around the building, and it 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.200 was developed with you guys, is the more you can do. 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.639 Yes, yes, And it was we all competed. So to 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.120 say who was the hardest worker, you know, I would 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.040 say I was the hardest worker. I think Rodney would 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.920 say he was the hardest worker, Willy, because we even competed. 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.440 Drinking water, man, you had to have a gallon of water. 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.119 And if somebody like Willy, because you know, Willy like 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.399 I'm gaining on you, Rodney Harrison, I'm gaining on you 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.240 taking a sip, stay hydrated. So we do stupid shit 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.399 like that just to compete with one another. So you know, 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.760 we run in the scout team. Have you when you 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.600 came when the scout team is on, we never sat down. 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:43.440 And just that started with myself, Odi Smith. We started 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.080 that and then next thing, you know, here come the 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.320 rest of the defense. We used to do it because 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.879 we were always telling you we took everything as man coverage. 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:52.680 We had to run with these guys. I wasn't the 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.000 fastest gull on the block, but I can they run 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.439 the same thing for four quarters. So next thing you know, 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.000 you see the offensive line doing it. Now, Hey Tom, 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.920 I'm doing it. You know what I mean. But it started, 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:03.960 you know, right there. So that's why no one ever 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.119 sat down, And we were like I'm gaining on you. 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:07.720 If you're not doing that, you got to be doing 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.920 push ups or some shit sitting there. Hey, Jules, I'm 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.080 gaining on you. So guess what you got to drop 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.119 down to do push ups? That's just what it was. 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.760 Is that the mentality that's missing with the Patriots right now? 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.040 Damn right? Who was there to lead them? Who's there 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.680 to show them? Who was there that had the experience? 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.480 And then now when you're talking about you know, the 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.840 great you know, Matthew Slater, moving on, who's who's left now? 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.959 You know you were gone the day exactly. So I mean, 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.359 are they that are that? Are they that vocal? I 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.640 mean when you do you really look at you know, 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.720 you got to have a dominant personality. You gotta have 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.280 to respect amongst the peers. So I think we had 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.960 so many players as time went on that stayed on 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:48.920 to be able to help you guys, you know what 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.080 I mean. And then you picked up and you be 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:52.400 able to help some of the young guys and they're 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.720 going there. But now it's like no one else is there. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.280 And then when you got Tom Brady is there for 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:01.240 twenty years. This is the goddamn standard. So It's always 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.960 good when you got your best player, your most popular 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.960 but most respected player, you know, set in a standard, 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.399 working hard, there's no excuses. You know. Tom Brady was 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.639 a goddamn worker. He was a worker. You know, we 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.560 experienced a different Tom. You know, I came in. He 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.159 had three Super Bowls, you know, the supermodel wife, right, 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.199 he was in the the high of the high. You know, 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:24.400 I never got to see him. 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.439 As one of the boys, you know, so, but he 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.520 was still practicing with the purpose. He would still fly 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:35.359 out the coach in November that would work on his 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.280 little dumb fundamental drills that like this dude's already a 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.919 twelve year pro. Still is flying out a guy to 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.440 work on his technique, you know, halfway through the season. 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.600 It's just it's it's crazy. He was definitely the constant. 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:53.040 And that's what I think the Patriots are missing, you know, 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:57.080 they your best players have to be your hardest workers. Absolutely, 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.080 And I learned that when I walked in the door 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.720 with Teddy Brewski and Kevin Falk and Troy Brown was 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:05.720 always around and then watching the old. 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.199 Film of you guys. I didn't know about it. 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.840 Really, I was a Barry kid, a West Coast kid, 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.680 and I was introduced to it, and I saw by example, 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:19.119 you know, Teddy Bruski, Kevin Falk, first ones in last 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.640 one's leave, you know, challenging each other at all times, 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.120 practicing hard, doing special teams in there in like their 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.719 fifteenth years, right, you know, I think that mentality has 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:30.560 definitely been lost. 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.760 Yeah, And it's even like, you know, the team, what 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.040 we did was important that we started making it a habit. 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.280 I don't know if you guys did. You probably did. 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.760 But when you look at the team now, you wonder 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.520 and do they take the team dinners? Do they go 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.280 out you know together, Do y'all take the wide receivers 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.000 out and make the rookies or the young guys pay 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:49.840 for it? You know what I mean. It's like we 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.040 did stuff like that, and it was team building, so 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.000 we just didn't have to see each other, you know, 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.040 on the field. We understand that it is work. We 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.880 got families, but we made a conscious effort to do 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.240 stuff not only as a dB group, but we did 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.600 stuff as a team. And that's when we started winning. 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.000 We started seeing things change around. That's what became a 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.440 Patriot wave. Even though like the coaches get credit in 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.320 Belichick and Scott them bullshit patriotat started in that locker room. Well, 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.600 I always explained like this, well, first off, in twenty 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:21.840 twenty four, that's called bullying. First off, And. 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.360 I go, you know, Bill was Congress right, he made 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.680 the fucking law. But the leaders on the team, we 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.400 were the sheriffs out there and we were fucking patrolling it. 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.360 It wasn't coaches saying shit. It was the guys that 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:39.160 were making people accountable because everyone was so embarrassed if 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.000 they did something wrong and you were put on that 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.720 Bill low light, you know, because in front of the 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.040 whole team, not just your unit, not just in the 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.600 receiver room, in front. 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:48.080 Of the whole team. 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.880 So when you're walking down the goddamn hallway, you got 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.040 a defensive guy coming up to you saying you're gonna 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:53.920 drop that wide route? 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:54.960 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:59.000 And that's something that was developed the toughness that I 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.600 think that they've been like they've been lacking. What's your 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.040 best Bill Belichick story? 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.800 All right? Look, okay, okay, well you know what all right? 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:14.120 Look all right, So it was a situation where you know, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.680 I was going through you know, some contract, you know, 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.800 some contract stuff before and Bill was like, hey, we 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.200 need to restructure your contract. And I was like, well, 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.320 it was just gonna be like an extension, you know 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.840 what I mean, you just save some some cap space 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.400 or whatever. And I was like, you know, okay. But 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.920 after we got it all down, I'm like, man, so 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:38.400 that's a fucking paint cut. No, ain't saving me no money. 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.040 I don't even got to send my agent this ship, 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.320 you know, you know what I mean. But then we 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.560 went through it, and then so he hits me and 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.560 it was a good friend uh you know, on the team. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.280 I ain't say no names. I can't put it out 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.040 there like that. And he was like, hey, look if 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.440 you don't restructure this, man, we're gonna we have to 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.800 cut your boy. I was like, well, I guess you 0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.720 cut ass. I ain't giving your ship, you know. I'm 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.080 like I said, I guess I guess I go tell 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.960 my boy that, hey, brou hey, man, get your nick 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:07.920 something like that, you know what I mean. But like 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.000 I said, we were well, you know, but that's Bill 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.560 being Bill and out there. So we ended up, uh, 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.120 we end up working out our restructure. I said, Look, 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.000 I don't care about it as long as I'm getting paid. 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.200 The same thing is because I didn't call in and 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.680 try to get no more money. And even though a 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.280 lot of stuff got blown out of proportion, we worked 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.480 it out. I restructured my contract. My dog was still there, 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.360 you know what I mean, and you know, we move on. 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.280 But all we had to do was just we didn't 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.920 even have to go through all that, Oh Bill, you know, 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.000 you know they try to do that and test your lot. 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.240 Coach par Sales tried me when I was a rookie, 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.920 but I, like I like to say, I'm a little 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.560 bit of a different breed. I got a mind of 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.840 my own. So now they came in and put me 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.760 at the end Zone. The end Zone was even better, 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.600 but it was still shitty when you was there, right 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.120 the End Zone Hotel. I lived there for a couple 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.120 of months, but when I came for my visit was myself, 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.120 Curtis Martin. They ended up drapping both of us. You 0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:58.440 know how you just go on the business they want 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.640 to talk to your interview and stuff like that. So 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.720 Coach par Sales brought me into the office and say, look, 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.320 hey man, we like you, but we don't like who 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.080 you got representing. You. He'sy you know those uh, those 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.120 posting brothers. Man. He said, I can't draft you with that. 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.280 So I'm sitting there myself. You know, people had me 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.040 traject to go to the Detroit Lions at at number 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.000 I think they had the twenty first pick of the draft. 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.120 And I'm sitting like, you know what, after what I've 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.080 seen looking at Foxboro Stadium and seeing all these trailer 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.600 parks up here, and sh I'm like, man, okay, that 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:35.920 made me keep my agent even more because I ain't 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.280 man y'all. You couldn't even put me in a Marriotte. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:39.880 You couldn't put me. You know, I'm thinking, I'm about 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.560 to go to the league, you know, rich, get some 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.960 room service and some ship like that. Man, bruh. I 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.720 was not trying to come to the win just because 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.880 of that. But when he told me, But when he 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.280 told me that, what he tried to do is get 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.320 into you know, a young guy's head. See what you 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.480 think that's the divide and conquer, you know, mentality, saying 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.840 that you know you might want to draft me. You 0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.960 know I don't know that, but you think I'm gonna go. 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.800 Was fired my agent just because of what you said, 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.000 even if I had my agent and I'm with you 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:07.400 and you don't want to get the deal, now you 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.840 need to know that that's not happening. So he my 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.440 agent brought it up to Bill par Sales, and Bill 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.560 was like, well I had to try because hey, this 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.520 wasn't and I got you know, at that time, you know, 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.600 I got a nice rookie deal, you know, which was 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.440 I got equivalent to like the seventeenth pick, even though 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.720 I was a twenty third pick. And then of course 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.200 when you know, when it was time to you know, 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.880 really get paid, you know, for it was the highest 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.080 paid defensive back in the in the league. I mean 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:42.200 it's a production business exactly exactly. Business, yeah exactly, you 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.640 get paid, you get that production, yeah exactly. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.840 Now you got the old Bill Okie Doe corner trick 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.440 where you know he used to try to do that 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.720 to me all the time in contract talk stuff. Well 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.360 you know, he'd see in the cafeteria, look come over here, 0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.440 you know, and I'm like, what's up, coach, how you doing? 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.440 And I would just play dumb. He's like, look, you know, 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.680 we got an agent. You got you tell your agent 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:08.359 something I tell why don't we just do something right here, 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.080 you know what I mean. And I know he's just 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.520 play a coach. I'm like domb with numbers and ship. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:13.560 I don't know what the fuck you know? 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:14.959 Right right? 0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.719 You gonna get you in here the same goddamn contract, 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:19.440 and I don't know what the fuck I'm signing. 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640 But that's funny that he tried to Oki. Do you 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.640 try to go me twice? That's the Bill, want to 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.440 give you one more? That's here? It okay, since we 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.640 out did and everything going now, so now now I 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.839 had a in my contract. Oh god, damn it. Shot 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:41.239 clock clock clock. I mean, we're talking, Bill, you gotta go. 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.279 We gotta shot toast. I gotta say this. You know. 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.200 This is Corbus of course, the official Voka, proud partner 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.439 the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A portion of every 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.240 bottle that I sell goes back to the old school guys, 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.400 the Hall of Famers that wasn't as fortunate as you 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.200 know what I mean to be able to make money 0:34:58.200 --> 0:34:59.600 because they had to get jobs in the off seasons. 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.160 So they really played for the love of the game. 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.160 But you know, if they if ever fell on hard 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.000 times or something like that, you you got to take 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.120 care of the fathers, fathers exactly. And if they're passed on, 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.240 you know, you know the fund, we help their widows 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.720 as well. But anyway, grill pineapple the only grill pineapple 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.960 on the market. Y'all heard it right here, games with names, 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.200 my man, jewels, grill pineapple. If somebody they got that 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:26.239 ship the second they second, we all cups at real 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:27.960 pineapple thriller. 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:34.680 Oh, Jimmy whalers to watch this be talking ship. I know, 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:39.680 you get a Texas Jimmy be watching this ship. Yeah, okay, 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.080 real pineapple, grill pineapple. 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.799 And we got about to we about to mess with 0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:49.560 Bill a little bits. We love them, we love them. 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:54.920 Oh hell yeah, yeah, it tastes the grill. Yeah yeah, 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.120 it's just on the grill, right, so it's a little different, right. 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.759 So uh so this is what we drinking. Now, we 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.759 started off concentrating in New England, but this is the lick. 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:09.319 So let's go to Bill's ass, right, So as we 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.759 drinking and thinking shit, all right, So Bill I had 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.600 a contract, so of course you know, he came you know, 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.799 from the Jessie you know, and at the time I 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.160 was the only person on the roster that was still 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.839 in the Pete Carroll's contract. So I signed a big deal. 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.680 I was with Pete. You know, Pete really went to 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.759 bat and like I said, I earned my shit. But 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.520 I was under that contract. So you know how it is, 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.239 Delly can touch your contract once. Once they touch it, 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.000 you can't touch it for the rest of the year, 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.239 you know what I mean. They would try to avoid me, 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:42.319 like to play it. So next to Drew, I was next, 0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.880 but they would go to everybody else because they knew, 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.439 you know at the time that I don't come mess 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.160 with me about this shit, that that's not happening. So anyway, 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.799 I had a a bonus in my contract where I 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.600 get X amount of dollars if I come and make weight. 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.520 And I had a reporting bone this. So I had 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.600 a reporting bonus, you know, because it's like you had 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.319 a weight you had a weight clause. Huh No, that's 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.120 what's part of my reporting was I I gotta come 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.719 on time, make weight past the conditioning test. Yeah, we 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.839 all got that exactly. I got a million dollars from 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.520 mind workout bonus million bucks. No, that was reporting bonus. 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:19.920 My workout bonus was a hundred thousand, you know. So 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.319 that's what just in case they catch you, Just in 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.960 case they catch you, this save a mil Yeah, yeah, 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:29.160 they know you could do it. So that was enough 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:30.600 to come in and like I said, I was going 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.719 to pass the conditioning. Say, I'll give a damn if 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.879 I had to sit in the soign for fifty hours straight, 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:36.680 I'm gonna get that damn bonus, you know what I mean. 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.960 But it was one hundred thousands. So you know when 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:40.880 I came in, I got the uh. I came in 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.520 and got my checks, you know what I mean. At 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:44.640 the time, you know, you got direct direct deposit, but 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.839 you get your receipt. So I got I got one. 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.960 I'm like, where's my damn where my other? With my 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.759 little hundred thousand net. So of course, you know, I 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.120 go down, they say, I go upstairs, and they say 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:59.360 you gotta go talk to Bill. I'm like, well, Ship, okay, 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.160 hey Bill, well I missed one hundred thousand. And he 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.359 was like, well, he said, we didn't talk this year. 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.520 I said, we're talking about because I went to Bob Cursey, 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.880 you know, the great Bob Cursey Olympic you know, gold 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.279 medal winning coach. I trained with him. I never stayed 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.920 in the off season, you know, for the program. So 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.200 you know, I got under my contract as long as 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.680 it was approved by the head coach of GM, which 0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.799 it always was, I get both checks. So he said, 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.080 we didn't talk this year because we talked last year because, 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:29.799 like I said, he was fairly new to it and 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.080 he approved it. It was fine. So I was just assume 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:35.120 it's like that every year. I was. I signed this 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.040 ship when you was a jet. You remember you was 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.080 a jet when I when I signed this contract. So 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.479 when you came here this we talked jet for you guys. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:47.800 That's a little child. Yes, yes, profession exact, yeah exactly. 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.960 So now he said there, He's like no, I'm like 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.400 Bill Man, all right. So I called my financial advisor. 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:58.440 I was like, yo, did that million clear yet? Not yet? 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.279 So you know, I went out, I left and I 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.000 came back. So Bill know me, So I'm coming back 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.640 in and bearsh He was like hey, he said, he's 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.799 in there. Bill had my contracts sitting on He had 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.360 my contracts sitting on his laid out, laid out, highlighted. 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.400 He had to shit highlighted, saying hey, it has to 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.680 be approved of this da da dada language. I'm like 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.680 and it was always approved. You was a fucking jit. 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:29.160 He said, well, Andy Wiser, Chuck, it's no longer GM, 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.319 and I'm the head coach, and I say nothing fine. 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:33.880 So I was like, all right, I just took my 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.120 ass to the locker room, got my stuff out the thing, 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.520 and I walked on out. I was gone for three days. 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.120 See it what no social media and all that stuff. 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:45.400 So I was gone for three days, bro, And finally 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.200 got the call because they got to call you and say, 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.799 and this is doing training camp. But I know in 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.400 training camp you cannot find me more than twelve hundred 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.640 dollars a day. So as far it was one thousand 0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:00.000 dollars day at the time. Twenty now, huh twenty grand 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.840 oh yeah, unexcused absence. Yeah, so it was it was 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.319 a thous It was like it was it was it 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.120 was it five thousand? Was it five thousand? Yeah, it 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.960 was five thousand. So I said, as far as I'm concerned, 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.439 I got twenty practices. I'll be back at at UH 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.120 on day twenty one to get that six million salary. 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:16.440 I'll be back for that. But if I'm lose on 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.799 a hunred thousand'ma lose this shit legit. So I was 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.760 I was gone, you know what I mean. So eventually 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.359 Bears called me down the phone. Bring your ass down here, 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.479 all right, I said, Bill, want my money? He said, 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.399 you come down here. We talk about that ship later. 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:37.000 So I go with principles off. He told me to 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:38.480 come to go to the game because we were playing 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.880 down in Washington. So you didn't practice all camp, No 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:43.799 I did. I was gone for three days. I left 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:48.880 three days is because guess what? Because what the million cleared? Okay, 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.640 that was clear, that was in the bank. So as 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.279 far as I'm concerned, I got one hundred thousand dollars 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.480 right here. That's out there, and to me where I 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.080 come from, that's a lot of goddamn money. That's a 0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:58.960 lot of money. Anyway. That's the kind that you don't 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.160 get a financial advisor get hing a million, but you 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.400 keep one hundred thousand yourself. You know, dud dude, you 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.120 gotta do you know, that's the pocket change at that time. 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.160 You know, when you get there's a lot of money, 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.000 but two things. So, like I said, where I come from, 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.719 that's life changing. So for me, I was like, I'm 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.680 not that guy. I'm gonna leave and I'll be back. 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.920 But they also had the status of who I was too, 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.400 so I knew that as well. So do what you 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.279 gotta do. So I left. He called me, get your 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:25.719 ass on the plane. We go on the wall. I 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.440 think we was washing pre season. He didn't start me. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.560 He put me in with the goddamn scrubs, bro Will 0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:35.719 Willing and everybody hot dogs on sideline and ship. So 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.759 he puts me in. So now all the guys on 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.200 the other side, they're really going, you know, they trying 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:44.359 to make thee. I'm getting cut and all out, like man, 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.879 you know, they Willing. It was clown and laughing. Right. 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.840 So we comes back and next day he had to 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:51.759 come in on Monday. I didn't even take my stuff off. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.440 I was at the I was at the table eating breakfast, 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.719 steal my clothes on. You know. Bill came, but I 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.680 would the envelope. He said to me, like fucking asshole. 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:07.040 So I was like, open up the check. Eighty five 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:14.919 thousand adopted me three days freaking Bill, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.560 that's Bill for you. Though. Yeah, he dopped me this 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.120 fucking three days man. So I mean, but we like said, 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.279 we got a great relationship and the respect from there, 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.759 But it was just at the time I wasn't the one. 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.680 I made sure that she was clear though. Man, but 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.319 you gotta you gotta put your foot down sometime. Now. 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.319 How was what was the similarities and differences between him 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.279 and Parcels and Pete Carroll and and. 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.480 What was to you? And then you went to the 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.400 jets and you went to the chiefs? How was his ship? 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.040 How was that? Man? I tell you what you know, 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.040 come in and get different. What made Parcels different? Is 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.440 you know it was a well I'm gonna start with Parcels. 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.760 That's what drafted me. So Parsales was the master manipulator 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.799 when it comes to the mind and like you like, 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.040 he'll make you so pissed off psychologically, he'll you'll run 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:03.480 to run through a wall. You want to prove to 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.319 him that he told me. He told me I was 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.120 gonna be the first first round of the NFL history. 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.920 You get cut in training camp, Like, what the that 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.239 You're gonna be the He called me to the side. 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.640 He's like, listen, right now, you're working on being the 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:20.640 first first round or in the history of the NFL. 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.160 To get cut in the middle of training camp I'm 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.399 sitting there like in my stupid ass, you know at 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.040 the time, you know, just being me from out coball like, well, 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.560 do what you gotta do, you know, come on, whoop 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.120 all the ad do what you gotta do. Stupid, you 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.040 know what I mean. But that's just that, that's that's 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:39.440 just who I was, you know what I mean. And 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.560 then eventually, you know, he was like, uh man, he 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.239 was the bestie, but he always rolled me. And it 0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.839 was one particular game where now it established myself as 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:50.960 kind of a physical and aggressive, and he was like, 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:54.239 you know what, you got everybody scared of you out there, right, 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.680 but this week this guy's gonna kick your ass. So 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:00.719 he was talking about Michael Irving was going down to 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.120 play the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irvan I think he 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.960 had just hit you know, Like I said, Nias Williams 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:08.200 the one of the greatest, you know what I mean, 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.719 look up to Nia's trained women. But he gave he 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:12.600 gave Nias the business, you know what I mean. It 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:14.920 was like nine catches something like like two hundred some 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.680 yards and shit, I'm like damn. So Parcelles challenged me saying, 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.440 if he do that, didn Nias Williams because he said, 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.960 you're damn sure knowing Nias Williams. You know that's what 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.239 Parceles told me. He gonna kick your ass. But guess 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.200 what I'm putting you on him? You know you think 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.560 you good? So man when out there ended up having 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.279 two picks. You know, think got Defensive Player of the 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.160 Week all that stuff. But I wasn't even thinking about 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.640 playing you know, Michael and the challenge him. I was 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.960 sitting there thinking I got to prove Parceales wrong for 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.080 fucking with me. You know, I'm gonna show you that 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.960 I'm not the one. And I had to take it 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:48.600 out on Michael at the time, you know what I mean, 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.200 That's how my mentality was. But Belichick, you know that's 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.560 how he got the best out of here. Belichick, He's 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.359 gonna sit you down because he was my dB coach, 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.000 which I loved, by the way, because you had to 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:04.359 do the least amount of studying when he's your coach. 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.560 Because he done did it all. Everything that he say 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.680 is going to happen is going to happen. It's going 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.280 to be one of two things. And what I really 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.799 fell and loved with the way he coached. He was 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.160 my dB coach. We're playing the Saints. He said, look, 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.719 if they line up in this formation, tight end, here 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.120 guy on the top of the numbers. If he's lined 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.520 up on the top of the numbers, he's going to 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.080 do a curl. And my thing was, I didn't want 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:28.960 to be on the wrong any highlights. What if you 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.840 run a curl and go, He's not going to do it. 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:33.360 If you run a curl and go, it's on me. 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.600 So I said, shit, seeing a formation is coming, damn 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.719 Sure enough, he did exactly that, came in, jumped in 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.960 front of it, pick and it was like shit. So 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.239 now when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.400 great position mentally that you went into the game so 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:54.399 confident and saying that if anything happens, put it on him. 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.000 But guaranteed this is going to happen. And that's how 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.120 he was as a coach. So when he left and 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.279 came back, we thinking like, that's our boy. Man. Me 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.000 and lawyer called him illegally, I might add, you know 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.080 at the time, because we ain't supposed to, you know, 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.279 contact him and stuff like that. But that was our guy, 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.319 that was our coach. So when he came back. Man, 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.040 we were so happy. And then when Bill walked in, 0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:16.800 the Bill and were trying to go do like the 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.319 group hug type of he the head coach. Now I'm like, 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.600 Bill done got a new chick and got brand new 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.239 and shit, but they done got brand new. It ain't 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.440 the same. But now you have to realize, and it 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.440 took us a minute that he's not our coach anymore. 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.000 He's our coach and he has to sit there and 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.160 you know, treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way. 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.680 But what he does from a game plan perspective, I've 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:46.040 never been with another coach or another organization that is 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.640 that prepared at all times. And he made you feel 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:53.640 comfortable even his adjustments. This is what we're gonna do, Bam. 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.279 You just gotta be smart. In training camp, we will 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.560 see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:01.799 going back to some training camp. You got to like 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.520 what we ain't played that since training camp. But for 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.319 this particular game or we're going at halftime, he comes back. 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.640 This is what it is. So I think that separates 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:15.080 a Bill from everyone else. It's his adjustments and how 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:16.839 he looks at the game. You know what I mean 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:20.840 from offense defensively. He used to have to leave to 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.000 help Charlie Weiss. He would leave our defense to mean 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.479 we be in our bardamnself. Ain't nobody getting coached because 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.040 he up just telling the offense what the other defense 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:29.959 is doing. He had to leave the meeting so many 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:31.640 times just to go up there and help the offense 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.040 by looking at the defense. He was that much of 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:37.040 a genius when it comes to a football mind. Pete Carroll, 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.719 I like Pete. Pete gave me the bag. He puss 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:43.880 for me to get the back. But he was a 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:49.239 dB guy. But I think his personality didn't mesh well 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.320 with a lot of other guys because we all interviewed. 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.840 I interviewed because I ain't nobody who's gonna hire a Belichick. 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.279 I was like, man, I like Pete. So when they 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:01.520 came down Bobby Greer and all that gym, you know scrap, 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.799 I was like, man. We went to the playoffs, I 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.239 felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown. You 0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:11.080 know what I mean I did. I gave up a touchdown. 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.200 I was sick to who I think it was one 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.560 of the best ever. When it comes to me, you know, 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:21.040 matching up that Damn Jimmy Smith was an animal bro. I 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:24.160 just want to put that out there. So but Pete 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.799 Carroll Man, the happy, gold lucky guy that just didn't 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.440 sit well with the rest of his guys because no 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:32.760 matter what, come on, guys, don't you feel it? Don't 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.719 you feel it? Yeah? You know, he was like that, 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:41.880 you know what I mean, coming from parts exactly, yeah exactly. 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:46.040 This guy's smacking his gums saying name exactly. It was. 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.279 It was a totally different energy, you know. And then 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.799 you get back to Bill's in that similar similar, more 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.520 similar to yourselfselves, you know, and Bill, don't be wrong. 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.279 He wanted outside of business. Me and Bill ain't never 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.840 had a problem outside of contract and business, you know 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.200 what I mean. But you got to understand we're all 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.520 independent contracts. You know that at the end of the day, 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.920 we're on the team. But when we're talking about this 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.200 and we have discrepancies about this, he has to work 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.000 for himself in the organization. You have to work for 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.480 yourself as an individual, you know, as eight because hey, 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.040 it's short lived, you know what I mean. But drink 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:22.920 what you're he gonna gonna have a beer? What you're 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.480 he gonna laugh, have a good time, and that's you know. 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:29.080 I mean, Bill's a computer where like if he's doing work, 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:30.600 he's just thinking about work. 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:32.520 And the one thing that. 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.080 He was always that I always liked with he was 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.000 honest with you, right, which he would try to be 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.239 a little overly honest just to prove his point on 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.879 certain things. Look, I'm not gonna pay you fucking ten 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.560 million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fucking thirty three. 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.319 Yeah, you know you're not gonna be able to walk 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.840 in through. Yeah, he will tell you, he tell you, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:56.000 I'll tell you that. 0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:03.480 But what you said about him preparing a team and 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:06.440 and saying it's gonna be on me if it doesn't 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:10.720 go this way, there are countless times where you remember 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:12.880 he'd have those team meetings because it's probably the same 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:13.640 and he. 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:14.520 Give you the keys. 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:19.040 Look, fellas, we just need to do this, this. 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.040 This, and if we do that, this is gonna happen. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.879 We'd sit there and be listening to ship and then 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.240 you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film. 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.960 Everything that he said happened, right, and exactly how he 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:33.920 said exactly I'm saying he took he took that. He 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.960 made it easier to do your job because he did 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:38.640 all the hard work. A lot of guys don't want 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.520 to study that film. So you basically got a coach 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:43.400 as a walking cheat sheet. You know what I mean? 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.560 You can go ask him anything out of the blue. 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:47.799 He gonna already know what it is. I'm sitting there 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:51.040 like it's at a point where like, how do you 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:53.760 know all that you watched us? You? You hear offensive 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.319 guys asking him stuff, and I'm like, how do you 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.880 got time to do all this shit and know all this? 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.560 He's one hundred percent of the cheat sheet, but he's 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.320 an asshole cheat sheet. But I loved him. He was 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.760 an asshole. Yeah, but if you if you talk, I've. 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:12.319 Been telling everyone, if you talk to anyone that's in 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:17.759 their thirties, forties or or higher, not one guy like 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:21.000 their football coach. No one's liked your full you love them. Yeah, 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.840 I never liked my coach. Who the fuck to like 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.040 a guy that makes you run up a goddamn hill 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.640 to walk through for a fucking walk through for another 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:34.160 walkthrough to go and fucking do these dumb drills. We're 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.280 doing tackling drills in the Super Bowl weekue. 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.439 Why the fuck? Yeah, you don't like it, but we want, 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.080 but we want And when you win, you know a 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:43.719 lot of stuff. That's the way, that's the way it 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.359 is when you win. But if you go out there 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.000 and you're not being successful when you're losing, that becomes 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:49.840 a problem. But I got a question for you, Jewles, 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:52.320 because you know you came in he was at a 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:56.400 quarterback and then your receiver, and you're developing and you 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:01.120 becoming like the top receiver you know on the Patriots 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.600 coming from a quarterback. You know, how was that transition 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:05.799 for you? Like? Who helped you, who inspired you? Did 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:06.680 you think you can do it? 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.400 That was a tough transition, and especially because you know 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.000 specifically how hard camps are and we still had double days. 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.840 When I got in right, I felt like I was 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:21.600 getting cut every day because everything was so new. One 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:23.759 of the greatest things for me was to have Chad 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.640 o'sha as my football coach, my receivers coach. He was 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:30.360 like a king psychologist, great guy of information that you know, 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.360 would give you everything that you needed to prepare you. 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.800 But I would sit and watch film and I would 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.480 take mental reps. When Wes Welker was in front of me. 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.279 When you know, looking at Randy Moss even though he's 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.680 a different body type, but being able to see his 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:49.040 late hands on a stacking a defender, like these guys 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.239 are playing through your hands, but you could steal that 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.520 even though I'm not him, you know, trying to take 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:58.080 from every rep and it was. It was fucking crazy tough, 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:03.440 but like because the environment I was in, working hard 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:07.239 and doing extra and and living at the facility, that 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.040 was like that's what I thought was normal. 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.359 So like, I don't know, it took me. It took 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:16.200 me time to really because I was always really gifted 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.720 with the ball in my hand, like I could always 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:20.120 make people miss in space. 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:22.400 It took me a while to learn how to run routes. 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:25.239 I needed the experience. It was the practice. It was 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:29.560 like every practice. Scottie O'Brien was my special team's coordinator, 0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:31.759 which I had to make myself valuable by returning punch. 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:33.359 So that's what you feel like you made the team 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:34.279 was on your special team. 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.960 Yeah, returning punts and on kickoff, you know, and being 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.279 one of those guys that could back up guys but 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.680 also be a coarse special team, right, I had to 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.279 create value to stay on the team. But he would 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:50.279 always say this, I coming after a fucking practice all 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:53.600 bummed out because I fucked something up and got yelled at. 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.719 And he'd always say, you know, a play, whether good 0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:00.720 or bad, is a bit of experience, meaning that bad play. 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:02.000 Remember that. 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.120 The great players, the good players, they remember those bad 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:06.839 plays and they use it. So like when I would 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.600 run a when I was doing one on one incuts 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.279 or something we were playing. We were doing one on 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.600 one drills and I'd run I didn't know how to 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.680 run incuts at the time. I was giving my ship 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:17.480 up at the top of the route and dropping my 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.160 weight and DB's you guys read that and just fucking 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:23.239 breaking undercut. And so I remember I got undercutt in 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.279 and I was pissed. And after I heard that, on 0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:30.080 my outbreaking route I made, I made that same move 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.960 where I was gonna do like the incut, which the 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:34.080 guy undercut. 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:34.680 It and I broke out. 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:37.880 And you know, it's just stacking things together and having 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:41.520 mental toughness to be able to to literally go through 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:45.440 just the fucking beaten up of you know, the coaching 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.880 and the grind of an NFL season. And the couple 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.800 reps you get making those reps work, and then you know, 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.200 one thing led to another where I got more opportunity. 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.400 Gronk got hurt, Aaron Hernandez killed somebody. They had to 0:54:58.640 --> 0:54:59.160 lean on me. 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.839 And at all, I'm just saying, you know, it's it's 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.399 it's a compliment to be able to say. I'm used 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.200 to you know, Okay, I got the ball in my hand. 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.000 You know you can do that. But you said, it's 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.520 a art, it's a skill. You have to work to 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.200 be able to run a route, to sell it right 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.200 and then catch the damn ball. You throwing the ball. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.160 So I mean that that's just to make the team, 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.560 and not only make the team, but they had the 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.719 success that you've had and the impact that you had 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.879 on the game. Man, brouh Hey, that's commendable, man, it's 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.359 much respect. I always say that dude's a dog, man, 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.200 you know what I mean. I said that, dude's a dog. 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.600 Would love to play with you, man, awesome to play 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:35.919 with you. We're gonna go to fuck out in practice. Though, 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:40.680 that's also what made me better. Me too, I like that. 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:41.720 I like that type of party. 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.879 No, that's also what made me really really a lot 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.960 better is when we when we signed keep to lead m. 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.279 You know, it was it was like my fourth year 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.719 or something, just going on one on him, and then 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:56.279 we signed Reeve and you know how practices are, we 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.319 were we were going on ones every day, right, and 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:01.680 so I got to learn, I got to get you know, 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.680 I learned what made him not like shit, and I learned, 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.160 you know, what I had to do to get open 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.120 on certain things those practice. 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:12.960 Was the most patient corner ever, patient and a long, 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.760 strong as ship. He had a long. 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.080 Arm, but he had a short base. So usually you 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.480 know there's corners that are tall corners that you get 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.719 them running sideways. You know they can't get out rady. 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.600 But he was like one of those swimmer built type 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.400 guys where he had a long upper body but a 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:32.160 short lower body, and he always was on balance. So 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.480 he was very patient line scrimmageing and a crazy offhand jam. 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.360 And his offhand jam usually you get like a corner 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.200 of his size. He wasn't like a big big. 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.520 Guy who's five eleven handed, heavy handed, you know what 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:46.040 I mean. He had a heavy hand, so he got you. 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.960 But sometimes when a dB would give you that off 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.239 hand jam if you were to grind through it and 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:54.799 get through it, they're out of position. Sometimes he was 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:58.520 never out of position. And then he'd also know, like 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.680 what you just said, when when you were preparing and 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.560 you saw that tight end here and the guy on 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.400 the split here, you identified formation and it gave you 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.680 subconscious reaction. He would go out and he would be 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:16.720 able to call play just by the situation and our formation, which. 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:18.920 We all know our plays, but like he was doing 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.120 that the games too. Yeah, he was something special. 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.640 And then Gilmour came and you know, it was also 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:25.920 great to compete against him. 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.400 So I would say my. 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:31.120 Development as a receiver was through the practice, through the 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:35.120 psychology of Chad O'shay, through watching Wes Welker and how 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:39.040 he practiced, watching the film of Troy Brown Dion Branch. 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:40.560 I would watch their film. I wanted to see the 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:43.280 guys catching the balls in this system and we had that. 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:46.760 So that and then practicing against the great players that 0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.520 we had because practice was so fucking hard. 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:53.120 You know, we practiced hard right Hey. By the way, 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:54.600 you know, I want some money off you, man. I 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:58.600 din't ever get to tell you thank you. Yeah, you know, 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:00.960 I bet on it like I was like, who going, 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.760 Who's gonna it? Was the bookie me wasn't. It wasn't 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.840 the legit shate. We didn't have all that. Look, I 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:09.000 don't know how to do all that. It was. It 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.000 was just it was just a bat like get the MVP. 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:15.200 I'm sitting like, you know what time I said you 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:18.480 can hey, I was like, man, hell with it. It 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:21.400 was something that like it was so some crazy odds 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.400 and I'm saying like all right, fine, man, I got 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:31.760 eleven thousand dollars, damn number I'm putting on. I'm putting 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:33.640 it on the element to get the m v P. 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.440 I don't know, you know, I mean like, you know, 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.320 because it's like m v P quarterback, he got to 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.400 really mess it up sometime not to get it. Because 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.680 if they have any type of decent game, you know 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.160 they're gonna get the m v P. Man. So you know, 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:48.919 I took a took a chance on your man, putting 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.160 a couple of dollars down there, got eleven grand about 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:51.640 the deal. 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:56.080 Donald this year money on Sam Donald for MVP this 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:57.600 year one. 0:58:59.240 --> 0:58:59.720 To get hurt. 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.080 That's that was the bet three hundred and one on 0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:04.360 Sam Darnald for Yo. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.600 So I got one for you too, because I mean, 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.200 it's like, I know we had to be talking shop man, 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:12.080 but I know you could still play when you left 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.720 the game, look like you can still play now. What 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.720 was the deciding factor was saying, you know what, I'm 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:17.360 gonna walk away. 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:22.560 I could still play, It's just I couldn't play consistently. 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:28.280 And by my last year before the season, while we 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:31.320 were training, I tore the root of my meniscus and 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:34.680 that's what holds your meniscus down. And they came up 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:35.840 to me and they go, we could do like a 0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:39.120 microfracture surgery where it's a twelve month recovery I was 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:41.480 thirty four, or you could try to play with it 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.680 and we'll just treat it. And I was like, all right, 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.640 let's try to do that. I couldn't walk until Saturday 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.160 after a game. Like the next the following Saturday, I 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:52.560 would get two three plays at practice just because it 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:54.760 was it was so raw and it was. 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.440 So new, there was no scarring. 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.640 And we went into a season right away with the 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:03.080 fucking shitty injury. I was just mentally fucking drained, you 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.520 know what I mean, And the little things that were 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:09.640 my great parts of my game weren't easy anymore. 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.520 I had to like do ship. You know, I didn't 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.040 look the same on film. I couldn't practice the way 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.840 I wanted to practice, and so like I was like 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:22.480 fuck that, you know, and it just I mean, I couldn't. 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:26.720 I couldn't run, bro And then you know, two years, 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.680 like a year after you retire, you know, things start healing, 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.720 you start feeling great. I still stay in shape, but 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:35.160 I'm not in football shape. 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.240 You know what I mean? You know football shape. Yeah, 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:39.560 that's what when guys talking about they can still go 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:41.320 out there and play, I mean, it's kind of you know, 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:43.160 come on, man, I could go play four or five, 1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:44.440 I could go play twenty plays. 1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.680 Says that like every week I can't get I can 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:48.160 still play. 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:50.880 Oh yeah no. And the thing is it's different when like, 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:52.680 you know, a guy like you know, to yo, man, 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.840 he's a freaking nature. He's a freaking nature. But to 1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.600 say to go out there and play football, I doubt 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:00.680 that to you because it's it's just learning how to 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:03.520 fall again. Man, I can't even fall and going down 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.240 to slowing down, but falling, it's an art to knowing 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:07.680 how to fall when you get tired. I don't even 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:09.760 know how to fall them. Why I slip this shit 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:12.000 hurt now? Man, I don't even know how to catch 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:13.280 myself break myself. 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:16.160 And your body can't fall like it used to, like 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.760 when you used to when you're fucking twenty in your 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:22.640 twenties and early thirties or twenties, you fall down at 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.640 the full speed you get up like after the years 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:27.960 and years of compounding injuries, you fall down. 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:30.760 Your body's like, we can't do that right now exactly. 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.640 And you know you've got no life alert blazelet on 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:33.960 the practice. 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:40.360 Of breaking like, hey, do you miss it? I missed 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:40.960 the practice. 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:44.560 I miss the preparation in the officeas I miss having 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:48.320 something to do always. You know, you got to create 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:51.720 your own routine. I miss like you know, the fellas. 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:56.080 In fighting against Patrick Chung in practice and fucking fighting 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.840 Gilmour on his first day as a Patriot because we 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:00.880 used to battle when he was a bill. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.840 Right, you know, like I missed that ship. Who did 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:05.120 you ever fight in practice? 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:08.360 Or who is the battle? Who did you battle with? 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:14.760 Patton Brown? You know what? You know me? You know Patton? 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:18.720 You know it was like man like pat was the 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:21.120 type of guy. You know. Yeah, he the guy that 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:23.280 you know you just didn't even want to swear around. 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.000 He was just a good dude. Man. You know Patton 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.680 come around, it's like, you know, here come the pastor 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:29.560 you know what I mean. We can't say what we 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:31.480 want to say. We can't talk about no girls, we 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:33.720 can't say that, we can't drop the F word, we 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.160 can't do nothing around Patton. He had just that type 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:38.760 of you know, respect and but me and Troy, I 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:41.160 ain't gonna lie. It was sometime we'd be like, man, 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.800 how you feel the day though? We're going We're going 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:45.800 hard today, you know what I mean, And we'll go hard. 1:02:45.840 --> 1:02:48.600 Sometime we'd be like, yo, man, let's make it look good. 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:50.880 Got the buddy system going on, you know what I mean? 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:53.240 That depends it all depends on the day. But when 1:02:53.240 --> 1:02:55.040 it was time to work, you know, it was time 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:56.000 to work, man, you know what I mean? 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.440 So who are the who are the receivers you loved 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:00.520 going against in the league? I mean I was we 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.520 were watching doing the research. I mean you picked one 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:08.520 when you were getting t o Irvin. I mean your 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:12.480 years that you played because you were also in you 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:15.600 know the bruces and this, but you got like you 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:18.720 picked off Dan Marino, Yeah, you picked off Steve Young. 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.760 Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly, so 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:24.520 you know, and then you're also picking off Peyton like 1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:27.680 your most picks came from Peyton Manning. But like my 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:33.680 longest interception was off Tom. Though that takes sense football 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:35.800 was a little thick with it, but you know I 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:40.320 got it, you know, but in that year, you know what, 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:42.400 New York. But it was one of those things. And 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:46.840 that's what makes the greats great because like after the 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:49.480 you know game and Bill, when we were walking into halftime, 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:52.400 you know, same thing, he came in, fucking asshole, you know, 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:54.360 just as a joke, you know, you know, still it's 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:56.480 still still all love. But Tom, in the next day 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:59.760 you're like, what did you see? And I'm like, I 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:01.480 got play with your ass full out on line. Why 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:03.600 would you do the same thing? You know on me? 1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:05.360 Like it was a movement, cause it was one of 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.160 those plays where it was givings. First of all, it 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.200 was ain't about to run past me anyway, even though 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:13.560 I was, even if I was, you know, I don't 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.480 worry about him running past you know, what I mean. 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:17.720 But he did one of those short motions, and you 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:20.040 know how come half we start our way out there. 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.840 I knew it was gonna be an outcut. And soon 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:24.919 as I say, Tom looked the other way and gave 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.000 that you know that it was like a little fake. 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:29.640 It was a half ass fake, which that was not 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:31.520 like you're coming off really throwing the ball. So as 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.880 he did that, I just stopped in my tracks. I said, oh, 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:36.520 he coming right here, and and he threw it, you 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:37.880 know what I mean. And so I told him that, 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:40.560 but it really bothered him and it messed with him, 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:41.880 and he called me because, like I said, it was great, 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:43.919 you know, always the friendship and the love is still there. 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.920 And like Peyton, same thing. We gets over to the 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:48.880 Pro Bowl, Peyton gonna try to fill you up with 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:52.880 damn drinks, you know, but guess what, it's some football coming. 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:56.360 So so what did you think? And I'm like, man, 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.960 I ain't stupid Payton. I'm still from the hood, don't 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.520 get I know. I know what you're doing. I mean, 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:03.680 you're like, look at all these girls out here, and 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:06.520 but katies and ship, we ain't talking about no football, man. 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:09.200 We we the sights I've heard he's like the mayor 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:09.760 of the Pro Bowl. 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:14.440 He's like, no, no, no. Paydon is great, like I said, 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.320 he's gonna feed you the drinks and you're gonna have 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:19.400 a good time. But if he curious about something in football, 1:05:19.440 --> 1:05:22.320 because look, that's the competitive edge, you don't never take it, 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:24.160 you know, personal, because we all you know, you know, 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:27.120 great friends, hall of Fame teammates, you know now, but 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:30.360 you know at that time it bothered Tom and it 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:34.480 bothered you know, Peyton that they made a mistake or 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.240 they let you get one or what was you saying 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:38.760 on this one man? And I respect it, you know, 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:41.360 always trying to get that always always trying to get 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:45.560 this receiver to cover Y Smith, I say, Jimmy Smith, 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:49.480 because man, he was so strong, he was so fast, 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:53.480 and like, you know, I considered myself that a bully 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:55.520 because I ain't trying to run with you all day 1:05:55.520 --> 1:05:57.480 if I ain't got you, even though I can, but 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:00.480 I rather sit and fight. So you know, they talk 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:03.440 about matchups. Jimmy Smith was one of those guys that 1:06:03.480 --> 1:06:06.680 you can't, you know, intimidate because he can run as 1:06:06.760 --> 1:06:09.960 fast as any receiving the league. He was strong, he 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:12.280 was tough, you know what I mean. So that one 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:13.920 right there is like you knew that you had to 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:15.400 come to work, you know. And I love to play 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.720 against him because it was a great challenge. The people 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:20.120 that I didn't like to play against all the time 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:25.880 is people like yo, ass, they just running just quick, 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:28.200 you know, for no damn reason, like you know, like 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.360 they just running. And then the option routes. Oh man, 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:33.720 that inside the option route. I'm trying to get you 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:35.320 right now. But that kind of stuff right there too. 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.080 Small guys. It's like, man, give me a big guy, 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:40.440 give me, give me, give him, give me Keyshawan, give me, 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:42.000 give me Moss, you know what I mean, give me, 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.400 give me something like that, you know, Michael Irving, I 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:48.200 like Jay Rice, I like that, But chasing guys like you, man, 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:53.280 sh it man, I hated that. Who is your favorite 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:57.320 cornerback watching when you're a kid? Always prime, you know 1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:01.480 what I mean? But you said, tell me. He he 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:05.040 Dion Sanders, you know, and you know, just a great, 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:08.360 just great dude. You know overall you seeing when he's doing, 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:10.920 how he's impacting young lives. But he was the greatest 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:14.160 you know, cornerback that ever played the game. You know, 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:16.720 in my opinion, that's who you know, that was, you know, 1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:20.560 our Michael Jordan when it comes to football and playing cornerback. 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:23.800 But the reality is I didn't have Deon Sanders speed, 1:07:24.080 --> 1:07:26.040 you know what I mean. So you know one of 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:29.000 my favorite dbs who I kind of like, say, if 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.040 I had to pattern my game off of who I 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:33.720 looked at, it was Rod Woodson. Rod Woodson was the 1:07:33.760 --> 1:07:36.320 real deal. He was fast. Hell wasn't that fast either, 1:07:36.520 --> 1:07:40.280 but you know, he put his nose in there in 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.640 the tackling and you know, he just played the game 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:45.800 like you know, especially growing up in Pittsburgh, you know 1:07:45.840 --> 1:07:49.520 what I mean, I know was good. Rod Woodson was 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:51.240 that guy, you know what I mean? So next to 1:07:51.320 --> 1:07:54.200 Deon Salmers who had everything and we're talking about pure 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:56.840 just cover guys that made our position popper, that made 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.440 you know, us get paid like that because I was 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:02.160 right after him when he signed that fifty million dollar deal. 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:05.440 You know, at the time, defensive players, especially cornerbacks, used 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:08.080 used to be the lowest paid, and he changed the 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:11.160 dynamic of what a cornerback is. And when he got that, 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.960 I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I mean, let me I 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:17.240 got to get some of that. Hell yeah, on contract 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:21.920 negotiation jewels man. So it's Andy Watson Chuck, my agent, 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:24.839 and you know, I guess he went to the bathroom. 1:08:24.880 --> 1:08:28.599 So they were trying to, you know, say take dionis exemp. 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:31.080 Let's leave that contract because they try to tell you, oh, 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:33.680 it was back loaded. It wasn't the you know, I'm 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:37.360 playing dumb. All I said was fifty million dollars on TV. 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:41.120 I say fifty million. I know how contracts work. But 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:44.400 they were trying to say the structure bullshit. I say 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:47.880 fifty million dollars. Fifty Yeah, that's what I said. So 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:49.960 my agent called me when I was gonna. I didn't 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:51.639 even want to, you know, go in there. He's like, look, 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:53.720 just come in here and be tyl. All Damma, just 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.479 come in here and be tyl. I said, okay, I 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.720 come in and then you know he going through it 1:08:58.760 --> 1:09:00.760 and what we're thinking about. We think like Dale Carter 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:03.840 signed this six years. You know, we're thinking somewhere along 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.240 those lines and we can give you this a couple 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:08.080 hundred I said. I said, Dale Carter and deal Carter. 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:11.760 Mind you was a goddamn animal. I'm a beast, but 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:16.400 it was thirty six million, fifty million. I seen fifty. 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:18.720 Now I'm talking to Andy. I said, look here, man, 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:20.680 I don't know where y'all come, but Dale Carter. I 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:22.639 was like, you know, I'm in my fourth in the league. 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:24.439 They already been there. I was like, man, I could 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:26.280 do that. My name sleep man. We ain't doing it, 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:28.160 even though it's not like that, because he was a 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:30.759 freaking as we talking shit, and I was like, Deon 1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:34.720 Sanders did this, That's what I seen. And I was like, look, 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:37.519 I ain't claim to be Deon Sanders, but I'm prime 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:42.519 time round this motherfucker right here. That's what I told Andy. 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:44.160 I said, I ain't done. I ain't claimed to be 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:47.000 deone Sander, but I'm prime time around this mother. I said. 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:49.080 You know what, Carl, I said, if this man, I 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.760 don't even eat be it. I just got up ship 1:09:51.840 --> 1:09:57.080 off and I'm like, what fuck is? I go back 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:00.360 and sit my car, and Carl came out about thirty 1:10:00.439 --> 1:10:02.720 forty minutes later. He just got in the car. He 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:10.160 just like this, give me five and that's it. Then 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:12.240 next thing you know, you know, they went into it 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:14.679 and it still wasn't there. Because I had just wanted 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.640 I said, I wanted ten. That was the kind of 1:10:16.640 --> 1:10:18.720 the market if you get there. It was like, and 1:10:18.840 --> 1:10:20.880 Carl was like, hold on, give me another way. I said, Carl, 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:24.360 we're in training camp. So now were covered and lawyer 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.960 Lloyd we was going. We crashed and like it was 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:29.200 a dig, right, I was covering. Lawyer hit me and 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:32.200 a player. I thought, I blew my knee out. I 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:34.320 was scared. I was like, oh shit, got up. I 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:38.519 was all right. I was playing timid somewhat in practice 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:40.200 out there because I really thought, because you go across 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:42.360 there with lawyer, lawyer gonna knock shit out of you. Man. 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.720 He was one of the most aggressive you know safeties 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:46.320 that you know I ever play with. Man, the dude 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:48.240 was tough, man, you know what I mean, Like not 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:51.520 very big in stature, but he hit like a dad linebacker. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.800 He would light your ass up. So you know what, 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.200 two weeks later, like a week or so after that 1:10:58.360 --> 1:11:02.000 instance that happened, then two days later, you know, he 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:04.479 I was ready to sign. There was like ten six. 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:08.240 I like, deal sign it. He like, I got him. 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:10.840 Hold on, I said, you're getting greedy. Carl, Come on, mate, 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:14.599 ship I'm good. Man called me. The next day. So 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:16.760 we had the day off. I'm up in Boston on 1:11:16.840 --> 1:11:19.080 Boston Street. You know, God, his mom. We up there 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:20.800 kicking and I'm gonna do a little shopping on the 1:11:20.840 --> 1:11:23.400 off day. He said, you ready. I was like, what 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.320 we got it done? I'm like, he said, you buck 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:29.479 it up. I'm like, shit, I am now what man? 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.479 He told me what it was. And at the time, 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:34.200 it was seven years, you know, for fifty and I'm 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:37.120 sitting like, what's the sign of bones? That's that's when 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.639 it was the fourteen I threw that ship and park 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:46.240 I got out. I was all over the street, shite recognition. 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:49.639 I jumped out the dead car. What's wrong? What's wrong? 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:53.280 What's good? Hey? Man? I was overjoyed, man, because you 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:55.760 worked so hard to say to your family and at 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.400 that time, you know, I mean, that was a that 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:00.840 was a big deal. But now you know, it's the 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:02.920 standard to live up to when you're getting that type 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:05.559 of contract. When you sit there saying that, you know, 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:08.519 you got a contract to the equivalent of even though 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.759 you're talking that shit you wanted, but now the reality 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.639 set in, Okay, you got to live up to that contract. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:15.320 You got to live up to that if you the 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:18.599 prime time around. Look, you know that I'm talking. You 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.640 feel me, so I have to Hey, guess what it 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:25.519 worked yourself out now? Prime set the bar, he said, 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:29.040 the bar bro Who what corners are you watching nowadays? 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:33.120 Saying that they're damn they're good? Stepan. I always like Stefan, 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:35.040 even when he was a picture. I know he's getting older, 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:37.880 but he's working on his Hall of Fame resume, you know, 1:12:38.000 --> 1:12:40.360 right now. But I mean, I think somebody that can 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:42.439 go out there and play with anybody. I think Stefan 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:45.360 Gilmour is still, you know, one of the better cornerbacks. 1:12:45.360 --> 1:12:49.679 But you got guys like, you know, Giant here, Alexander Ward, 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:52.760 Jalen Ramsey is you know he can play you know 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:56.040 he can play ball. But I still don't see anybody 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:59.160 right now that I can look at and say, who's 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:01.800 following the best guy all over the field. They're not 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:03.960 doing that anymore. I'm like, you know, that's when you 1:13:04.040 --> 1:13:07.360 want to get get games change, game change when you 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:09.960 ask for that type of money. But if you're a 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:12.920 starter right now, you can you can ask for that 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:14.599 type of month because that's where the market is at. 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:16.760 But when we were playing, when Dion was able to 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:20.240 jump and say that because he was Deon Sanders, he 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:23.680 did stuff that everybody don't do. And when I said that, 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:26.120 I'm prime time right here, not saying that I'm Deon Sanders, 1:13:26.120 --> 1:13:29.640 but for what we do and for you know, me 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:32.240 to be going to the number one receiver game in 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:35.479 game out, you know, no matter what the defense was played, 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:37.360 you know what I mean. He I know I'm going 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:40.040 to Keishawn. I know I'm going to Wayne on the 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:42.879 third down, so I'm changing. I know I got Marvin 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:44.920 that I wouldn't even sit there and mess with Reggie, 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.160 not saying that Reggie Redgewaying is a you know, a 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:49.920 Hall of Famer himself, but at that time they would 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:52.519 even I ain't even waste my time over there, because hell, 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:54.559 I got to handle this over here. And like I said, 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:58.040 Reguating was just coming to his own. So I got that. 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:01.120 We go play Sam Fran pick your pois. You got 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:03.640 jay Rice, then you get to O. You know what 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:06.760 I mean, I got I got that. So that's why 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.880 I feel like, you know, it's missing Darrell Reeves. He 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:12.559 goes to the guy, there's not many of those anymore. 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:18.120 Six exactly run that cover six, which is it plays 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:20.439 like man, but you get to play with your eyes 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:23.120 in the backfield, right, you know what I mean? Because 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:24.840 you have that guy going to that flat zone. Our 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:26.960 back was turned to the well, that's why you don't see, 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:29.439 you know, as many interceptions or something like that, because 1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:31.400 our back was turned to the ball because we were 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:33.800 here and we're covering you know that guy, you know 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:35.880 what I mean? And then you talk about guys like 1:14:35.920 --> 1:14:38.840 a Champ Bailey and all that. We we went to 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:41.760 the top dog no matter what. And I think that's 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:42.760 what's missing from the game. 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:45.840 You think they've gotten away from man coverage because of 1:14:45.880 --> 1:14:47.680 the how they're calling the game now because of p 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:55.640 I and illegal contact on every goddamn play. 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:58.640 That's the one. Hey, you know what an excerpt? Do 1:14:58.800 --> 1:14:59.559 you have something from there? 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:00.720 We were talking about it this morning. 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:01.360 It's ridiculous. 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:03.920 And this game that we're talking about today led to 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:04.800 the tail rule. 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:06.400 Jeff Fisher Bill. 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:09.040 Polling on the Rules committee in O four in there 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:12.680 crying and you got to enforced rules ridictas. 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:14.280 Yeah, I mean, but it started with mail Blunt, So 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:16.040 I don't can't tell you all the credit started with 1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:18.200 the Mail Blunt and that's me and male's thing. Now, 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:20.200 you know, we had rules, so I look at that 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:24.000 as a as a compliment. But the game, yeah, yeah, 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:26.439 we would have been fighting, you know what I mean, absolutely, 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:29.439 guess what, we've been drinking a beer afterwards. 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:33.639 But like you could just tell I watched your film, 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:36.559 you know, just you're a veteran on how to hold 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:38.120 and like, you know what I mean, that's what the 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:42.240 great DB's. They're the slickest. Everyone's cheating out there. It's 1:15:42.240 --> 1:15:44.680 just you gotta like you gotta grib back here and 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:47.920 then you fucking fling your little body and undercut, you know. 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:50.360 I mean, what I see now is like people are 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.760 going out there grab it. But if I'm running next 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:56.840 to you, I'm sitting there doing this. I'm banging your 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:59.560 arm because you can't run. And now when you're so 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:02.320 used to of me fighting you, you can't get into 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:04.160 your rock because you're worrying about me. Now, you know 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:06.000 what I mean. The certain thing to think about two 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:08.200 of the balls in there exactly. So when you when 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.160 we running side by side, all I do is looking 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:12.880 like I'm running with you, but I'm really you know, 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.120 I'm really hitting you, so you can't go. But that 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:16.960 was my my little thing because I had to slow 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:19.080 you down. I mean, I can't getting no foot race. 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:20.920 You know all the time, you know you used to 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:25.479 hit guys on them. Yeah, yeah, always, it's always, it's always, 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:27.880 it's always angle and try not to open up the gate. 1:16:27.960 --> 1:16:30.080 So when you open up the gate and they sit there, 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:32.040 just go right, and now they donne stacked you. I'm 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:34.200 always going to use that sideline as much as I can, 1:16:34.280 --> 1:16:35.400 you know what I mean. If I can get these 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:37.679 paws on you. I knew I was stronger than most. 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:39.479 You know, I might not have been like that in stature, 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.040 but I knew I was stronger, and once I put 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:44.400 my hands on you, it's over, you know what I mean. 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:47.360 It was only a very few receivers that can muscle 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:49.240 through that, you know what I mean. So from a 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:52.040 receiver standpoint, it was a little different. Now when I 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.360 can imagine if I happen to go against ground, you know, 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:56.240 and I try to have to use more quickness. Now 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:57.880 I would have took the challenge. I would have loved 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:00.840 the challenge. But like being coached to get around him 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:04.120 brew buh bru man, I'm telling you, he was a monster. 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:07.120 You know he was. He was big as strong, country strong, 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:08.760 you know what I mean. So I kind of grew 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:11.400 up and learned in that era where you got the 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:14.400 tough receivers, the big tight ends, and then the quick guy. 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.600 So every week it was something a little different for me. 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:19.240 I tell you right now, the receivers right now are 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:22.000 pretty damn good though. You look at it, like but 1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:24.920 at the same time, you can't can't, you can't hit 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.639 him and all that. So you look at Jamar Chase 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.360 like that dude is like, you know, run you. He's 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:33.760 he's strong, country strong, Cincinnati. Yeah, I know what I'm saying. 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:36.800 He's the best as a receiver. You look at him 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.040 and I just think he's He's just got a lot 1:17:39.040 --> 1:17:41.720 of everything. He can. He can fifty to fifty ball you, 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:45.360 he can route you, he can out quit you, justin Jefferson, 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:47.639 the same thing these guys. But you can't you can't 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:50.840 hit him like he used to. Yeah, and it's harder 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:51.160 to play. 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:54.240 Guess what, you more dominated than this this generation. 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:57.160 I would adapt, you know what I mean. But I'll 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:59.600 say if I played the way that I played, I 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.160 probably wouldn't get no check. You know, you're gonna get 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:04.599 fine on everything, you know what I mean. But that's 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.439 the way it was then, Like you didn't go across 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:09.599 the middle like I say, you got you know, Rodney Harrison, 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:12.920 Lloyd Milloyd, you're talking about at Water, Brian Dowkas, you 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:15.839 talking about you go Ronnie a lot. You go across 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:17.439 that middle if you want to, you know what I mean, 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:20.599 ray Lewis ed Reed. I mean it was the game 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:21.480 was a little. 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:23.879 Way different, and I saw a transition in my career. 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:27.599 It was probably thirteen fourteen fifteen is when they started 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:30.280 calling shit. Yeah, because I would look at I would 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:32.720 watch all my plays after the year and I'd look 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:37.479 at like fifteen sixteen of my catches across the middle. 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:39.439 I'd be like, early in my career probably would have 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:41.920 been out for a week. Yeah shit, you know what 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:44.280 I mean. Because the guys that are going for the 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.599 interception and I'm blowing you up as much or they're 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:50.880 they're hesitant because they can't blow you up right, so 1:18:50.920 --> 1:18:53.559 you so it made you more confident going across the middle. 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:58.519 Because I remember when I got hit by Brian Dawkins 1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:00.840 my rookie year, I saw a star for three weeks. 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:03.479 I had to learn how to play and catch with 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.120 the fucking star because this dude let me up so 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:10.439 goddamn herd right Chancellor from fucking the Super Bowl. 1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:11.439 He lit me up. 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:14.560 But like as it went on early later, like, guys, 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:17.519 it's just changed. And it started with the farming systems 1:19:17.520 --> 1:19:20.479 and Pop Warner the seven on the seven cans and 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:22.840 you know you gotta you gotta get interceptions to get paid. 1:19:23.400 --> 1:19:26.080 So guys, you ain't getting you ain't getting knockout hits 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:26.960 and getting paid any more. 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.880 People. You know, as players, you adapt to what the 1:19:29.920 --> 1:19:33.120 game is and say, okay now instead of looking before 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:35.759 the knockout shot was just as good as a turnover, 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:37.800 you know what I mean. So now you're looking to 1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:40.799 make that play. You're looking to anticipate and make the play. 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.800 So yes, you can get paid. But at the same time, 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.200 it's taken away from the game of my in my 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:48.479 in my opinion, I really think that the game is 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:51.960 is watered down. It's one thing with the quarterbacks, because 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:53.719 they're the face and all that you need a quarterback. 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:57.040 Everybody knows that, you know, protect them, but everybody else 1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:00.360 on the damn field, man, it just you rid of 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:03.360 that folk. They got rid of the drop the drop 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:07.400 hit drop tackle. Yeah, you know where you you get 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:09.760 a guy from behind, you just drop your weight. They're 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:11.160 gonna it's gonna make a fun They're gonna make that 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:13.080 a penalty. How you supposed to Now if you pick 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:15.040 them up and supplex them, that's a penalty too, right. 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:15.960 You're not supposed to tackle. 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:18.160 They just want the point. I think Vegas messed up 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:19.479 the game a little bit, you know what I mean, 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:23.439 because I mean, think about it. Why do you have 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:25.639 to sit there and tell everybody who in and who 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:27.799 were Hey, it's fair play whoever out on the field, 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.200 that's out on the field. But the reason that you 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:32.360 have to report injuries you have to do this is 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:35.439 because of Vegas and the points. But they don't want 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:37.920 they don't want players to bet, but they still want 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:39.400 to make money that way. And I, like I said, 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:41.400 I understand the game, but I think you know when 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:44.800 you're starting to let so many other outside forces because 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:46.879 it's the bottom line. And like I said, I understand 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:49.880 business as a businessman, but come on, man, it's taking 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:51.880 it's taken away from the game. Man ships the ship 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:55.000 soft for twenty years, you would have played for twenty years. Nowadays, 1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:57.840 as much as it's taken away from the game, the 1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:00.720 ratings are up twenty three percent last year. From a 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:08.240 players standpoint, I mean, guess what, you know why too, 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:10.640 Because everybody betting, they're trying to see what they betsy is. 1:21:10.640 --> 1:21:13.400 They probably ain't the people's watching, not true football fans 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.720 to guess what they're betting on it. So guess what, 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.840 I'm trying to follow my money and see I'm gonna 1:21:17.840 --> 1:21:19.880 get paid. So it's like the casinos. They not making 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:21.840 money from the food and all that good ship you 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.400 see in at the restaurants, liquor and all that. They 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.840 making money by you going to the table and guess 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:30.800 what the sports books you're getting fans that's watching the 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.920 game because they trying to watch their money because now 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:36.840 you can bet on it. That means it's gonna automatically 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:39.200 it's gonna be a snowball in there and next say 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:41.160 it's at the bottom line. But the guys are getting 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:44.160 paid a lot more money, which is great. I mean, 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:48.639 I'm all for it, but I don't like, like, for instance, 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:50.240 a defensive back. And this is where it's a little 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.840 personal to me. If you're if you're running the route. 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:55.760 This is Julian Edeman. He quick as a goddamn cat. 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:59.160 So if you come across the middle and you catch 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:01.040 the ball, I got, let you get two feet on 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.920 the ground before I hit you. See, I mean, when 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:06.040 the game is going so bad, I mean it's like 1:22:06.040 --> 1:22:09.000 you got to put feet down and have possession. Randy Moss, 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:12.679 he too got damn fast, and the game moves too fast. 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:15.439 I'm running fast. He running fast. So guess what I 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:18.479 was taught. If you touch the ball, I knocked the 1:22:18.520 --> 1:22:20.000 shit out of you as soon as you go like this. 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:23.760 That's how we learned to play the game. So to 1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:26.160 have to stop that and have to not go full 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:28.880 tilt and the risk of getting fine and risk losing money. 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:31.439 I think it's taking away the game from a player's perspective, 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:32.560 but I understand. 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:35.920 It is us are players that of our generations and 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:40.679 the generations before us. But the young players aren't taught 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:43.439 with you were taught, right, you know. So it's the 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:44.360 game's just changed. 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:46.560 Yeah, No, it's definitely. It's definitely evolving, you know what 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:46.840 I mean. 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:56.280 Well, let's go back to around January eighteen, two thousand 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:59.000 and four, and this is a segment where we go 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:02.439 over pop culture of things going around the world. 1:23:02.600 --> 1:23:05.120 Number one movie was Along Came paul You ever see 1:23:05.160 --> 1:23:08.360 that with Ben Stiller? Yeah? I probably. I can't remember it. 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:09.440 Jennifer Anderstand. 1:23:09.840 --> 1:23:11.640 We were weirdly just talking about this the other night. 1:23:13.600 --> 1:23:15.519 I mean, I know the title, but I can't remember 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:17.599 the movie this. I know you remember the song. Yeah, 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:21.639 oh yeah, yeah, this is my high school prom right here. 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:23.880 I know you're right here winning the Super Bowls ye 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:30.560 over here, Damn Paulo rot oh man uh Victor Mbiana 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:34.320 Okay he was born. Man, that's the next face of 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:37.120 the league. Man. I mean, somebody that tall, that skillful 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:38.880 do that. Man, the league is in trouble because I 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:41.160 mean he imagine when he puts on that good fifteen 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:44.160 to twenty pounds. Needs to Yeah, he needs to. It's 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:47.360 just the kid's nineteen, right, I mean, wait until he's 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.920 twenty four, twenty five. Who's your NBA team? 1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:53.320 Being from like Western Pa, I didn't really have one. 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:57.400 Oh well, I mean I've always loved of course, everyone's 1:23:57.439 --> 1:23:59.160 a Michael Jordan fan, but I was more of a 1:23:59.240 --> 1:24:03.000 Kobe fan anything. But being from Pennsylvania. You know when 1:24:03.120 --> 1:24:06.320 Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson. You know, I was always rolling 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:08.400 with the six just being a Pennsylvania guy. But I 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:13.160 had individuals that I like to watching and Allen Man 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:16.000 and he's a football guy too, you know, he was 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.760 a he was a city all right. So Alan Iverson man, 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.200 you know you're talking about. I look for dogs and 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:24.360 like say, who is a dog? Sometime time? You can 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:27.000 be skillful, you can be tall, fast, god given, but 1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:29.920 when you have a dog, that's who I love playing with. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:34.719 And when I watched Alan Everson, Kobe Bryant, you know, Jordan, 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.759 not only were they great, there was actually some damn dogs, 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:41.760 you know they you know, like Rodney Harrison dog dog dog. Yeah. 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.040 I think if if our Celtics can get a little 1:24:44.040 --> 1:24:46.360 more dog in him this year, we're winning it all. 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:48.720 I could, you know what, I would love to see 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:51.880 it too. But they need to have that dog, you 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:53.720 know in the finals. You know what I mean? You 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:58.599 can't play pass dog? Huh? Can you explain? I think 1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:03.519 the dog? The dog is a mentality. You know that. 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:07.040 And under any circumstances are you gonna break me, I'm 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:10.040 gonna win. I'm gonna every play, even if you knock 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:11.600 me down, I'm gonna get back up. I'm gonna come 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.760 at you the same full tilt all day. And when 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:18.519 adversity strikes you still don't drop your head. And you 1:25:18.600 --> 1:25:20.559 got that mentality that I'm gonna beat you this play. 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:23.000 If you beat me, oh the next play, Oh it's own, 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.240 do it again? You know what I mean? So that's 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:30.479 what like we're looking up right there. Kevin Garnett dog dog, 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:34.360 all time dog. What's rushmore of dogs? WHOA that's tough, 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:37.040 that's tough, I would say, you know, okay, let's just 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:41.559 throw out a couple from me sports. Lawrence Taylor dog 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:47.800 dog one that just retired, Aaron Donald that is a dog, 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:52.240 Ray Lewis dog. Rodney Harrison dog. You know what I mean? 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.840 Because I'm telling you I'll say here because Rodney Harrison 1:25:54.840 --> 1:26:00.640 is supposed to be in a Pro Football of Fame. No, no, no, okay, no, 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:06.000 he's Jimmy Smith dog, Julian Edelman dog. And not just 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:09.519 because of you know, I looked at the journey to Okay, 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:11.320 you can make plays, you can do all this stuff, 1:26:11.320 --> 1:26:13.760 but to know how tough he was to be able 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:15.200 to go out there and do that and go out 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:17.920 there and do what I do. I told Troy Brown, 1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:21.160 you got me fired, dog, I got hurt Troy Brown 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:24.479 playing dB you know, and and did some dog ship 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:26.479 picking stuff. He led the league, he led the team 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:28.280 and picks you know, you know what I mean. So 1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:30.840 when you guys, when you guys come in and do 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:34.800 that and can do more than just your job, and 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:37.600 you do it with so much passion, and you're successful 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:40.559 because no one expected you to be who you are. 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:43.200 Maybe you expected it, but when you got drafted, or 1:26:43.439 --> 1:26:46.800 did you get drafted, Okay, you went seven round, damn it. 1:26:46.800 --> 1:26:51.280 That's basically a free agent bosh. But you're a free 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.439 agent because you don't have to do two years huh exactly. 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:57.280 But no one expected you or they brought you in. 1:26:57.320 --> 1:26:59.360 They didn't expect you to turn into the only person 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:01.679 that can believe that as a dog. And you got 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:04.360 to believe in yourself because basically, when you get drafted 1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:07.439 that late, you're coming from another position. You're basically there 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.640 for a tackling dummy. You're there forgot. You're there for 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:14.040 guys like somebody established like myself, to beat up on 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:16.680 the exactly so for you to make it. You know, 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:18.519 you a dog right there, and then to put it 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:20.599 out there and perform, and then you had some of 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:24.439 the top corners out there that didn't want to see him. 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:27.599 So that right there, you fit in the dog. Tom 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:31.400 Brady was a dog dog because from day one he 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:33.320 came in there and he wanted to compete. He gonna 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:34.840 talk shit, and I'm telling him we used to light 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:37.439 him up. But he coming right back at you as 1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:39.840 a dog on head, bunch you. He gonna fight you. 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:42.280 And that wasn't the quarterback that we've seen before. 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:44.720 I got a real quick question because I know his 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:46.440 octave he gets super. 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:53.599 Was it even higher when he was younger? But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:57.280 I mean you know what you know, he when he 1:27:57.320 --> 1:27:59.360 when he throw out that, you know, you say something 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:02.880 like you know, a little higher. You know, he'll sit 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:04.800 the f you back and all that, but he will 1:28:04.880 --> 1:28:07.080 come at you. And he was not no pump. And 1:28:07.120 --> 1:28:10.080 that's what you know then he ain't no punk. Right there, 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:12.000 that was like a compliment, Oh he ain't no pump. 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:14.639 You know nowadays it's he ain't no bitch. He ain't 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:17.639 no punk, you know what I mean? So that was Tom. 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:21.600 I look at like receivers like again, Hye's Ward was 1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:23.960 a dog. He wasn't fast, he wasn't it, but he 1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:26.400 will sit there and rock you. You know, he will 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:28.479 blindside the ship out at you too. So you always 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:29.960 got to keep your head on the swivel. So I 1:28:30.000 --> 1:28:32.840 look at at the tough guys, even even you know, 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:35.920 like I said t o Randy Moss was a dog, 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:38.920 you know what I mean, because he was tough. Chris Carter, 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:42.080 Michael Irvin, he will fight you all damn day too, 1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:43.479 you know what I mean. So I look at so 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:46.479 many tough guys, but like just skill everybody and a 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:47.960 dog man are. 1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:50.400 Born with a dog or can you develop the dogs. 1:28:50.479 --> 1:28:52.360 I'm sitting here looking at my seven year old daughter 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:55.000 and I'm seeing some of this attitude and effort on 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:56.080 the flip field right now. 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:57.599 Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know if we got 1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:02.200 dog in her what, you know what, puppy And my mom, 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:04.920 My mom told me, you know, when I was younger, 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:06.320 she said, you know you used to get your ass 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.040 with you know, you wouldn't you wasn't that tough. But 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:10.880 I remember one time that I came home right and 1:29:10.960 --> 1:29:13.320 she made me go back out there and fight, you know, 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:15.840 like you're gonna you're gonna go out there and fight. 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:18.800 And I started developing. So yes, you can develop the 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:22.240 dog and you can develop dog yap the dog development. 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:26.599 You could be born into it. To shirt that shirt developed. 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:30.720 It's a tie log teacher, right. I develot time and 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:32.960 you get that confidence and then it's like when you 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:34.880 realize that you got to believe in yourself. That was 1:29:34.920 --> 1:29:37.960 my whole thing, was always believing in myself with no 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:41.479 matter what anybody thinks. That's that's what a dog is. 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:45.040 A dog is someone who believes in himself no matter 1:29:45.080 --> 1:29:45.879 what the situation. 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:47.280 Right, absolutely, the. 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:51.880 Situation is against you. If the world is against you, 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.400 still still think you're gonna do it is when you 1:29:54.479 --> 1:29:57.360 stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready. 1:29:57.800 --> 1:30:00.280 They say the same thing with like like everybody asks 1:30:00.320 --> 1:30:02.439 me with the vaka. If you go to any liquor store, 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.200 the vodka hour is always the biggest because you can 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:06.840 make it with so many things. You can make it 1:30:06.840 --> 1:30:10.320 with you know, corn wheat, you know rye, even making 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:13.320 it with cheese, grapes, all that. And they was like, 1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:17.040 why would you go into vodka when you got a 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:19.360 guy like Tito's out there? You know everybody. I love 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:20.880 his story, you know what I mean. He worked and 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:23.120 he's the number one out there. But you know my 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:30.240 attitude is hell. I can cover jay Rice, Random, mas Teo, 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:36.160 Marvin Harrison, damn it, I can cover Tito's ass. Too 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:40.320 much respect to Tito for real, man, because his story 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:42.400 is incredible, but it's inspiring in a way. But you 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:45.200 can't be afraid to go out there and give it 1:30:45.280 --> 1:30:47.160 a shot if you believe in your product, you know 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:49.800 which I believe more so than anything. I know my 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:51.599 product is good, you know what I mean. So if 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:55.040 you put liquid the lips, you put it in there. 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:56.920 You ain't going nowhere else, I promise you. 1:30:57.080 --> 1:31:00.840 Speaking of dogs, how crazy is it with was? I 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:03.479 was looking at Aaron McNair, Steve McNair. He was a dog, 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:06.960 a McNair's dog. Oh damn right, how they have co 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:10.680 m vps. It was Steve McNair and Peyton Manning. You 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:12.519 guys beat both the m vps to go to the 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:13.280 Super Bowl this year. 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:15.680 I hope you know that. Oh I did not. There 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:19.400 was coin vps like mild I've never heard of that, 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:23.160 because because we beat him in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:25.439 we beat him in the playoffs beat two m dnps 1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:27.320 to go to the fucking super Bowl. That is that 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:29.240 is crazy. But how do you get a co v P? 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:31.400 Like who who's the panel? You know? I mean I 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:33.840 got co VP of the Pro Bowl one year? Right, yeah, 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:36.439 it was crazy, right? How many interceptions you have in 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:38.960 the Pro Bowl because we were watching it? Yeah yeah, 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:42.400 yeah so but co VP. So it was myself in 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:47.080 Key Sean. And ain't no cost sponsors behind that. Hell, 1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:49.360 we got us a goddamn plaque. Man, I'm like, what 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:50.960 a car? You know what I mean? What no cost? 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:53.679 But I'm always like a little short end of the stick, 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:56.400 even though like the Super Bowl, right, you know, people 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:00.240 according to the papers, you know, not taking any thing, 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:03.200 wait from from goat Brady. But I was supposed to 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:05.280 be an that's what they say it, right, that's the 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:07.920 first year that they went on the internet. Came up short, 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:10.719 but got defensive Player of the game. Yeah where Brady 1:32:10.760 --> 1:32:14.360 got a car? Disney World? You know what I got 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:21.559 goddamn Belover Watch Blover, Blover b you blow over Yeah, yeah, 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:24.599 I got I got me one of them. Defensive That's 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:27.760 what I'm saying. So I'm always playing a little dollar short. 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:31.240 The year I got super VP was the first year 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:35.400 they didn't give cars cap yours either. No car. You 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:38.479 got the plaque. Now I got that ball, silver ball 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:43.519 where right there? That that silver ball, that's you, Bullship, 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:52.360 that Tiffany. Tiffany's nice hand show ball. But you called it. 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:54.760 You signed and tell Tom to sign it, man ship. 1:32:54.800 --> 1:32:57.639 I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna tell Tom to sign anything 1:32:58.800 --> 1:33:01.080 signed that right there, Sign that right there, now you 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:03.880 know what I mean. But then they have a car sponsor. 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:05.960 It was the first year they stopped doing the car 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:08.680 wow because you remember, like Dion used to. 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.040 Drive his Cadillac. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he used to drive. 1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:13.320 They always drive their Super Bowl truck and every once 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:15.439 in a while, yeah yeah wow, I never got one. 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:17.080 They would they would bust out the Super Bowl car 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:17.680 every once in a while. 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:20.320 Yeah you know he's see because Deon came back to 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:22.400 us and he'd have this fucking twelve. 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:27.240 Year old or like eight year old Cadillac eight year old. 1:33:27.280 --> 1:33:30.400 The year before the Pro Bowl, I think I was second, 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:32.920 and because you know, I was getting the picks and 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:36.720 car sponsored year, me and Keishawn got no sponsor. The 1:33:36.760 --> 1:33:40.439 next year, car sponsor again, I'm like, God, damn, he 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:44.559 took a free car without you gotta pay TAXI man, 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:50.639 were just the story more the story of that tech 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.040 your car we had paid. 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:53.519 Maning on here and he said he took that ship. 1:33:53.560 --> 1:33:55.680 Seriously in the Pro Bowl, he wanted the car. 1:33:55.800 --> 1:33:58.040 No, the game was a little bit different. We did 1:33:58.280 --> 1:34:02.880 play because man, it's so goddamn expensive over there. Man, 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:04.840 So by the time you fly all your people over 1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:06.880 there and stuff like that, it's like, man, when it 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:11.080 gets when it comes play cutting time, dany third fourth quarter, 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:12.800 Like in the third quarter, fourth court, you see where 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:14.880 you at. It's time to play ball. Because that's the 1:34:14.920 --> 1:34:16.800 difference in the checks, you know what I mean. You mean, 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.760 you go from twelve thousand to twenty five thousand, So 1:34:20.360 --> 1:34:22.559 hey were trying to get that twenty five geez back 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.680 then because he's playing tickets and all that. She was 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:26.200 a lot of money bringing to everybody over day, you 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:26.639 know what I mean. 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:30.080 So you know we got up there, Jackie, Oh should 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:32.040 we should we run through these teams real quick? Set 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:32.840 the stage for this game. 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:34.639 Set the stage. We'll jump into the game. 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:36.960 This back to these uh these o three to oh 1:34:37.120 --> 1:34:41.200 four Indianapolis Colts, led by Peyton Manning. As we talked 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:45.320 about earlier, some other dogs on this team, Marvin Harrison, 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:49.120 Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne even not a Loki dog at kicker, 1:34:49.160 --> 1:34:51.200 Mike vander Jack guy was kind of he was kind 1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:56.439 of yoked. He was a tough kicker. Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis, 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.960 Dallas Clark's rookie season Cato June. They won the f 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:03.040 SEE South. For all you division heads out there, there's 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:05.400 only the second year of the AFC South. Colts were 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:07.840 in the AFC East before that, so we had plenty 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:10.840 of see We had plenty of time seeing Peyton Manning 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:15.120 before that. And this was also a year oh three 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.519 Peyton Manning where he still kind of had that rep 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:19.360 of a guy that couldn't really get it done in 1:35:19.400 --> 1:35:21.800 the playoffs. Oh in three record entering this game in 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.519 playoff games, even though he didn't win MVP this year, 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:25.639 going VP that. 1:35:25.640 --> 1:35:27.640 Is, Did you guys hate the Colts as much as 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:30.400 we hated the Colts in our era? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:34.160 because really because we felt like and like I said, 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:36.559 love you know, Peyton, but you always ride with your guys. 1:35:36.640 --> 1:35:39.080 But even with all the success that we was having, 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:42.400 Peyton was still the face of the league. It wasn't 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:45.479 Tom Brady. It was always you know, Peyton and whatever 1:35:45.520 --> 1:35:47.479 he was doing, you know. And of course you look 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:49.720 at how many you know, Hall of famers, you know, 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:51.439 they got up there, you know what I mean, it's like, 1:35:52.080 --> 1:35:54.040 come on, man, and they got they got all the 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:56.080 love they got, they got they got to love man. 1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:58.760 So we we used that as energy. We thought we 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:00.760 were the better team. We thought we were tougher. They 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:04.200 were more you know, I guess they was more of 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:05.880 a finess team. But we always tried to look at 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:12.160 us as a tough team, you know, man, exactly, exactly exactly, 1:36:12.240 --> 1:36:14.080 and that's what it was. And you knew they were 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:16.880 going to put the game all the time in Peyton's hand. 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:19.240 So as defensive backs, we love, we love to take 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:21.439 that challenge. So that means if they put it in 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:23.479 your hands, you got to be whipping my hands. So 1:36:23.520 --> 1:36:25.760 that's how I was like, no, that it's time to play. 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:29.160 What were the keys to stopping Peyton, you know what? 1:36:30.040 --> 1:36:32.120 Switching it up? You know, as far as like the 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:35.280 looks even though Peyton is smart enough and no, no 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:38.160 enough as a as a quarterback, that we messing with him, 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:39.800 just like he messed with us. Like he coming up 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:42.280 there doing all these handsickens half the time, ain't saying ship, 1:36:42.520 --> 1:36:44.920 you know, and say omaha, what is home omaha mean? 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:47.840 But we we would just start hollering out dumb ship too. 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:50.679 We'll holler at omaha. We'll holler out beef jerky, yeah, something, 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:54.040 you know, just to you know, try just a combatant 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:59.160 combat right. But for me, I've never in my fifteen 1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:02.280 years of playing and ever was threatened by a quarterback. 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:05.519 I took a different approach and I always respected it. 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:07.559 I mean, I don't care if we're playing against Aaron Rodgers, 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:11.240 Payton Manning, Damn Marina, whoever it was. I'm like, I 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:14.080 gotta worry about you. I'm covering you. So if I 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:16.679 got you covered, what the hell I got to worry about? 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:19.559 You know them folk? If they a so, I'm doing 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:21.519 my job right here. A lot of people get caught 1:37:21.600 --> 1:37:24.080 up into the quarterback. But if you got the receiver cup, 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:26.800 he has to do a perfect ball if I'm draped 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:29.000 all over you. So I was never threatened by a 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:31.200 quarterback because I had enough to worry about, you know, 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:34.360 covering the receiver and the only quarterback that I've ever 1:37:34.400 --> 1:37:37.880 played to where he made you think like, damn he different, 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:40.800 Damn Marino. He was the only quarterback that I know 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:43.439 that can place the ball at least from my experience, 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:47.040 somewhere where the receiver got the best chance to catch 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:50.639 and I couldn't. He was He was that guy as 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:55.040 far as that for me, perfect pass, the perfect pass 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:57.160 is uncoverable, right, And he was the only one that 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:59.600 can do it like that. And then he didn't have 1:37:59.640 --> 1:38:02.320 a whine up. Dan was like, you know, he was 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:04.560 able to just short arm inflect that thing and you 1:38:04.640 --> 1:38:06.400 had to pick it up. So when I got my 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:09.040 first pick off of then, man, I found his ass 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:11.720 after the game. Man. You know, I was a Pittsburgh guy. 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:13.599 I had him sign that ball. Man. I was a 1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:15.639 fan boy. It was my second year league. I mean, 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:19.559 mister Marino, could you sign? He was a good sport. 1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.479 I still got the super Bowl at dinner? Cool? Yeah, 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:26.320 man is cool Dan, It's cool as hell. Man. He 1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:31.840 was just chilling. Yeah, you know, great, great player. I 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:35.560 even my first NFL interception was off you know, a 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:37.920 great you know, Jim Kelly. But when I got that 1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:40.200 one off of Damn Marino. Like I said, being a 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:42.719 Pittsburgh guy, I was like, man, I was not getting 1:38:42.760 --> 1:38:44.400 on that plane back to New England until I get 1:38:44.400 --> 1:38:47.599 this ball signed. That's crazy because I remember, you know 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:50.000 by the end, that's what guys are doing to Tom 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:53.680 if they picked him. Oh yeah, hell yeah yeah. You 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:59.360 know that's some crazy legend for people to have the balls. Yeah, 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:02.360 to take the ball that you picked off of exactly. 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:04.680 I mean you gotta shoot your shot, yeah, I mean 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.559 you got to. I mean, and then, but it's also 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:09.400 a sign, you know, a respect. And I knew I 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:12.519 was getting old when when we were playing I think 1:39:12.560 --> 1:39:15.120 he was playing Tennessee and playing against one of the 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:16.880 young guys. I don't even know who he was, you know. 1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:21.360 And after the game he caught like a little bullshit 1:39:21.400 --> 1:39:23.840 but was no touchdown, nothing like daddy. He wanted me 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:25.960 to sign it for him, talking about Man, I had 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:29.160 you on my wall man this and that. I'm like, Ship, 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:30.800 I'm getting old. It's time to go, you know what 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:32.680 I mean. I'm getting old When you got somebody that 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:36.120 was a little kid and telling you that you were 1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:39.200 on the wall and all that stuff, and it's like, man, 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:42.120 you want to sign it like a little yeah seven yeah, 1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:49.920 a little seven eight yards yeah that yeah. Now, can 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:52.439 you imagine if Dan Marino played in this generation, you 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.360 got to be a little mobile in this generation. Now, 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:57.200 Damn Renal, you know, the big ass cleats. His might 1:39:57.200 --> 1:40:02.360 have been bigger than Tom right there. He was like, yeah, exactly. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:06.519 But his arm talent was incredible though. I mean people, 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:10.160 you know, yes, man, when you talk about pure you 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:15.280 know throwers, you know, and accuracy, Damn Marino was. Damn 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.519 Marino was that dude. I've really never picked off a 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:20.760 ball that hurt your hands like Drew Blest or Drew 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:23.200 Bless who had one of the strongest, you know arms. 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:26.479 Like he was like, no, I didn't get far far, 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:28.880 they't mess with me. We was at the super Bowl 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:31.760 when we played him in ninety six, and you know, Antonio, 1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:34.040 good friend. He's like, you know, before the game, you know, 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:36.639 we just sized each other up, warmed up, and Frame 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:38.639 was like, yo, you you ain't gonna get no action today. 1:40:39.000 --> 1:40:40.680 In my second year, I'm sitting there like, oh, he 1:40:40.720 --> 1:40:42.599 about today about to try to set my ass up. 1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:45.439 So now I'm really on guard, you know, and show 1:40:45.560 --> 1:40:47.960 enough that whole game, you know, Brett, And then Brett 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:50.120 came out before that. He was like, all, you ain't 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:52.840 get no action to I guess young Buck, you know too, 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:54.559 you ain't gonna get no action to day. So I'm 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:57.080 still thinking coming from Freeming him, they're trying to set 1:40:57.120 --> 1:41:00.240 me up showing up. He didn't mess with me. You know, 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:00.960 it's crazy. 1:41:01.040 --> 1:41:07.519 We were interviewing Ernie and he said, specifically for when 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:10.960 you guys played the Colts, he would dedicate an hour 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:14.679 of the day just to study them. And he would 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:17.800 started in November, early November, just because he always knew 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.840 it'd come down, so you had to. And do you 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:24.000 remember the game plan for this specific game? 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:25.080 You know what? 1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:28.400 He said, You guys completely changed it up. You went 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.599 to cover four because they used to love that ram pass. 1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:36.240 That seem so that you guys covered up the seams 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:39.519 with the cover four in this game, and it fucked up. 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:44.240 You know what for Like I was always worried about it, 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:47.000 Like whatever Bruski said, Dude, I was playing, I was 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:51.920 always yeah, yeah, that's what they used to do with Reeves. Yeah, 1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:54.120 where you know, like you could be playing Zone but 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:56.320 they would just say you're over here. Yeah, exactly. And 1:41:56.360 --> 1:41:59.320 that's where I was, you know, you know, with it 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:02.240 and man and whoever was on my side receiver, I covered, 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:04.400 you know, I covered like it was man. You know, 1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:06.679 I mean, like say, we might say we're rolling or anything, 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:09.680 we'll give you a shell. But you know, Bruski and them, 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:12.080 you got to give those guys so much, you know, credit, 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:14.400 because you know, not only did they protect the run, 1:42:14.439 --> 1:42:16.479 you got the great Edger and James up there, them 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:18.519 running up the scene with those tight ends and that 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:21.240 was calling those guys. It's like, bro Bruski had a 1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:23.280 hell of a job trying and then trying to keep 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:25.800 my ass right. He trying to make sure everybody else 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:28.120 right do his job, you know what I mean, Man, 1:42:28.200 --> 1:42:30.639 Teddy Bruski was an all time great man, all the time. 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:35.800 Now, Super Bowl Week we'll get into the New England Patriots. 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:39.160 But real quick, do you remember anything different going in 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:39.559 this year? 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:44.760 Guys? This is your third Super Bowl? This is you 1:42:44.760 --> 1:42:48.280 guys lost, No, we lost my second year, then we 1:42:48.320 --> 1:42:52.360 won the the Rams. Yeah, this is so this will 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:55.760 be your third Super Bowl appearance. Right with did you 1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:59.240 feel like you had an advantage for Carolina? Carolina, you're 1:42:59.240 --> 1:42:59.680 having an. 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:03.360 Advantage just because you guys experience, yes, experienced it. 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:05.719 Yeah, we thought we had advantage. But at the same time, 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.519 we were also those guys before you know, you know, 1:43:09.600 --> 1:43:11.880 on the come up. You know, we came in and 1:43:11.880 --> 1:43:15.400 and uh, hey, we we wanted to win. So just 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:18.000 the last game as you know, playing and uh, as 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:20.240 many as you've played in man, it's like anybody can 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:22.439 win that game. And they started off hit us with 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:24.479 the big one quick, you know what I mean. You 1:43:24.520 --> 1:43:26.080 know it was a jake, the loan. You know, he 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:29.320 running around, he talking all kinds of ship. But now 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.880 we had we had Tom Brady, you know what I mean, 1:43:32.880 --> 1:43:35.960 and that and now by that time, you know, it 1:43:36.000 --> 1:43:38.760 was when he was with us. You know, first that's 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:42.600 Tom Brady. You know who he started to be in 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:47.559 that time. Come Tom mother fucking Brady. That's a difference. 1:43:47.560 --> 1:43:51.000 See we had like you, we had Tom Brady. You 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:55.320 had Tom motherfucking Brady. See that, that's who he was 1:43:55.800 --> 1:43:57.840 that at that time. So when you have that, and 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:02.200 we knew if we stayed in here, you're drinking Tom exactly. 1:44:02.240 --> 1:44:09.600 I had chiseled jaw, amocado, yeah, beautiful hair, yeah, skin complexion, 1:44:10.240 --> 1:44:12.520 and how do you smell good after practice. 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:18.360 Tom. So when you got that, man, we were like, 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:20.040 we knew what we had. All we had to do 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:22.559 was now you don't mess up. Now we don't mess 1:44:22.640 --> 1:44:24.400 up because we know we give you a chance you 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:26.640 don't already proved it time and time getting not just 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:29.599 in the big games, but any game you know we're 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:32.000 gonna win. And Tom, like I said, I've never seen 1:44:32.040 --> 1:44:35.639 anybody like him when it comes to being so cool 1:44:35.680 --> 1:44:39.559 and calm under pressure, set one man football, and that's 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:46.040 Adam Vinit Terry. Yo, Bro, you talking about somebody is 1:44:46.760 --> 1:44:50.360 like no fear, you know, Like imagine going up there 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:53.679 and you just got to take that free throw as 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:56.040 easy as it might be to have to take that, 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:58.960 all the pressure and everything riding on you. That's why 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:01.040 I say they need to bronze Damn Foot like Tom 1:45:01.080 --> 1:45:03.360 need to have his statue, of course, but they need 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:05.880 to have a big ass replica of Adam Van Terry 1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:08.040 Foot somewhere around on that stadium, you know what I mean, 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:13.080 somewhere Put Adam for real. I mean I didn't even 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:16.080 see I mean, after watching the Dynasty, I didn't even 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:18.840 know he was on the team. Huh he was. 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:24.599 Yeah, Jackie said, Patriot, all. 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:26.280 Right, let's run through this roster. We've talked a lot 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:29.200 about this era. Pats a team full of dogs. We 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:31.320 thought that Colts had some dogs. I mean, god, dang, 1:45:31.680 --> 1:45:33.400 it was like Kat's compared to England. 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:35.400 These are the dogs, Baby. 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:40.120 Brady, Kevin Falk, Patrick pass and Twine Smith, Deon Branch, 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:44.040 Troy Brown. I mean, that's just offense right there. On 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:47.559 the defense, we got Jarvis Green huge this game, sack 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:50.639 and left and right. It seemed like we got Tie 1:45:50.680 --> 1:45:53.360 of course, Anthony Pleasant, Richard seymour. 1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:54.080 Ty, Warren. 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:59.280 This defense up a league low fourteen point nine points 1:45:59.280 --> 1:46:01.840 a game. We didn't lose at home all season eight 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:04.840 to no. Bounced back from what people call the Lawyer 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.840 Malloy game in Week one, Yeah, got whooped thirty one nothing, 1:46:07.880 --> 1:46:11.120 then ended the season doing the same thing, reversing the score, 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:14.120 beating the Bills thirty one nothing, fourteen and two record. 1:46:14.760 --> 1:46:16.280 I mean, heck of a team. 1:46:16.800 --> 1:46:21.879 Man, look at that list. Oh man, that was some bullshit. 1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:24.000 You know, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, I was 1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:26.880 hurt because you know that was that was my brother, 1:46:26.960 --> 1:46:29.240 that was one of my best friends on the team. 1:46:29.280 --> 1:46:32.240 You know, man, we kind of like that was the dB. 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.400 That was our UH. That was our room. You know, 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:38.280 me and Laurd we was the two heads of the 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:41.760 UH of the room. And when they let him go, 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:45.280 especially being a captain, you know, every year, Lawyer was 1:46:45.280 --> 1:46:46.760 that type of guy. Man. He was a great He 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:49.000 was a great leader. Like that's the only thing, like 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:52.280 I clown a little bit about, you know, his speeches sometime, 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:53.920 you know, is that you can't have something to say 1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:55.760 every day? Got that? I mean sometime we could just 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.240 go on the fuck home, man, you know what I mean. 1:46:57.280 --> 1:46:59.599 But that was Lawyer for you man, My brother loved 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:03.759 to death and I was. I was hurt. And then 1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:07.400 when they brought in Rodney, you know, so now it 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:11.000 was that thing because I wasn't the biggest fan of Rodney, 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:14.160 you know when he came in, because you know, one, 1:47:14.520 --> 1:47:18.160 he wasn't with us and respected his game, but he 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:21.240 was always the competitor. And what really turned me off 1:47:21.600 --> 1:47:23.559 from Rodney. And like I said, I didn't even know 1:47:23.640 --> 1:47:25.160 Roddy like that at the time. I just knew he 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:26.479 was a you know, a hell of a player. But 1:47:26.560 --> 1:47:30.720 Bill Belichick, he would come in and put on the 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:34.240 tape for the DB's and we ain't even playing san Diego. 1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:37.840 We watching San Diego. Foe. He was like, see this, 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:41.719 like seeing what we ain't playing them. It's Rodney Harrison 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:45.280 running around like a mad man, just everything he was 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:47.280 doing one hundred miles, just knocking a shit out of people. 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:49.320 And I'm like, well, what the hell that got to 1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:51.080 do with us? He said, this is how, this is 1:47:51.080 --> 1:47:53.519 how you play. Ain't no fucking loaf in here. And 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:56.600 Rodney wasn't like Rodney's in San Diego, you know what 1:47:56.600 --> 1:47:59.080 I mean, he ain't get here yet. So I remembered that, 1:47:59.240 --> 1:48:02.280 you know, I'm sing, and they're like, man, f Rodney Harrison, Man, 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:05.080 fuck him, you know what I mean. And when he came, 1:48:05.560 --> 1:48:07.479 you know, it's like, okay, now he's part of the team. 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:09.920 You know, you see him play much respect whatever. But 1:48:10.040 --> 1:48:12.040 then they let Lawyer go, so then that went back 1:48:12.080 --> 1:48:13.960 to where it's like, hold on, man, he came in 1:48:14.000 --> 1:48:16.040 here with that bullshit and now they even cut my 1:48:16.040 --> 1:48:18.240 brother this and that. But Rodney was just one of 1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:21.800 those type of guys that man, you had to respect you. 1:48:22.080 --> 1:48:24.640 He earned it, he earned it, but man, and he 1:48:24.680 --> 1:48:27.120 didn't need to earn anything from me. He was already 1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:30.639 Rodney Harrison, but to see his work athlete, his practice habits, 1:48:30.640 --> 1:48:32.920 and he made you step your game up. And then 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:34.519 when you're out there on the field with him, you'd 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:36.960 be like, oh my god, this is different. You know. 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:41.000 It's like for instant, your example, Lawyer, I'd be like, Lawyer, 1:48:41.360 --> 1:48:43.200 I see this, I'm about to jump this shit. He 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:45.360 was like, you paid all that money. Cover that motherfucker. 1:48:45.880 --> 1:48:48.040 That's lawyer with holidays. You can you get paid all 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:51.879 that money? Cover that mother I'm saying, I see someone jumping. Rodney. Hey, Rodney, 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.639 I see this man. He's like, got you go go 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:56.120 go take it, take it, you know what I mean. 1:48:56.560 --> 1:48:58.600 It was just that type of Dynamic's like lawyer was 1:48:58.640 --> 1:49:00.360 ready to go knock the hell out of something and 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:02.599 he will put it. So it was a great dynamic. 1:49:02.640 --> 1:49:05.360 I could have just imagined if we can all play together, man, 1:49:05.680 --> 1:49:10.040 with Lloyd Malloy and Rodney Harrison, you're talking about no 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:13.519 flies on. You couldn't go nowhere but Rodney Harrison. You know, 1:49:14.040 --> 1:49:15.600 like I said, it was one of the greatest to 1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:17.479 ever play the game. And like I said, he should 1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:19.080 be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I want 1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:21.080 to say that here right now, because I've been saying 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:24.040 that forever. There's only two guys in the history of 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:28.360 the game that got thirty picks in thirty sacs, Ray 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:31.040 Lewis being one of them. We praised Ray for being, 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:34.720 you know, the all time great, you know, the goat, 1:49:34.800 --> 1:49:37.360 but somebody did it before him, and his name is 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:39.439 Rodney Harrison. He did it first, but he don't get 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:42.760 the same admiration or anything for that particular stat And 1:49:42.800 --> 1:49:44.280 if you look at the stats with all the Hall 1:49:44.320 --> 1:49:48.280 of Famers, Rodney Harrison is right there with every safety 1:49:49.200 --> 1:49:51.000 that's in the Hall of Fame right now and getting 1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:53.320 looked over for what reason, I don't know. But one 1:49:53.360 --> 1:49:56.599 of the best that I ever played with Monster. I mean, 1:49:56.640 --> 1:49:59.600 we heard about how hard he practiced ruh and and 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:01.719 Bill and Bill loved it. But he made you step 1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:04.080 your game up, you know what I mean. So Rodney, 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:07.960 you know, a respect because you know, you just don't 1:50:07.960 --> 1:50:10.799 give out anything. Heat sit there and took his respect. 1:50:11.080 --> 1:50:13.120 And the way he played the game, man, you had 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:15.000 to sit there and say hat soft man, and a 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:16.720 lot of times you got to follow his lead. Man, 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:18.560 that's the type of guy that he was. From a 1:50:18.640 --> 1:50:21.240 leadership standpoint, the way he played the game. And if 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:24.120 I'm gonna go to any foxhole, damn, we're gonna get 1:50:24.120 --> 1:50:27.720 out with Rodney. Yeah, who's the unsung hero of the 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:31.960 team this year? This year and three oh tomorrow and 1:50:32.720 --> 1:50:34.840 three I think the unsung hero when you look at 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:39.599 all those names, I was, like, I always say, Troy Brown. 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:42.200 Troy Brown is just one of those guys that when 1:50:42.240 --> 1:50:44.880 you need a damn play, Troy is gonna be the 1:50:44.920 --> 1:50:46.600 one to do it, you know what I mean. And 1:50:50.200 --> 1:50:55.040 like Troy Brown was an absolute dog, just like yourself. 1:50:55.160 --> 1:50:57.080 Troy got cut a couple of times, you know, I 1:50:57.080 --> 1:51:02.679 think twice, and you know after later, you know they've 1:51:02.680 --> 1:51:04.640 been trying to replace Troy Brown for I don't know 1:51:04.640 --> 1:51:07.719 how damn long. But you couldn't, you know, you couldn't 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:11.200 throw them away and for him to you know, Like 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:13.280 I said, I look at you guys very similar in 1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:15.479 the way you played the game. As far as being tough, 1:51:15.840 --> 1:51:19.080 being the dog, it ain't. But you as a receiver 1:51:19.200 --> 1:51:21.519 that went over to play dB, that came from when 1:51:21.560 --> 1:51:23.720 you came from, Troy was more of a returner you 1:51:23.760 --> 1:51:27.840 know as well, and to come play defense and being 1:51:27.840 --> 1:51:30.320 that tough guy making the plays when it mattered most. 1:51:30.600 --> 1:51:35.160 Being small in stature, you know, big attitude and crazy 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:38.360 dog when it comes to, you know, competing. That's who 1:51:39.000 --> 1:51:41.880 I look at it and say, man, Troy Brown did. 1:51:41.920 --> 1:51:45.200 It wasn't high, wasn't high draft, It wasn't the fastest guy, 1:51:45.479 --> 1:51:47.680 wasn't the biggest guy. We caught him little dude, you 1:51:47.760 --> 1:51:49.479 know what I mean, that's the Troy's name, Little dude, 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:51.840 little dude to whooped that ass. You know, don't sleep 1:51:51.880 --> 1:51:56.960 on it. Troy. He's always been any classacked dude, absolutely 1:51:57.080 --> 1:52:00.680 class Absolutely, he was always around as a coach. But 1:52:01.280 --> 1:52:03.799 you know he would always we'd always have a connection 1:52:04.040 --> 1:52:07.160 just because you know, he knew what I was going through. 1:52:07.760 --> 1:52:09.800 And you know he mean connects you on that play 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:11.439 because he went through it. I'm telling you. They tried 1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:14.840 so many times to replace him or bring somebody else 1:52:14.880 --> 1:52:16.519 in the Troy always ended him. It's kind of like 1:52:16.520 --> 1:52:19.200 OLDA Smith, same thing. Yeah, you know, olda Smith. He 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:20.880 was a great mentor to me, you know, one of 1:52:21.080 --> 1:52:23.479 like like I wouldn't be the player that I am 1:52:23.520 --> 1:52:26.080 without you know, a guy like OLDA Smith that's taking 1:52:26.080 --> 1:52:28.479 me under the wing and telling me, you know what 1:52:28.520 --> 1:52:31.720 to do, how to be a pro jack. Let's let's 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:33.920 see this game lead off, lead up to this game. 1:52:34.120 --> 1:52:36.880 This is the AFC Championship game. So to get there, 1:52:37.240 --> 1:52:40.000 Patriots had to beat co VP Steve McNair and the 1:52:40.000 --> 1:52:44.920 Titans seventeen fourteen, a tough one, and then Denver was 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:46.559 bawling out. They had to play in the wild card. 1:52:46.640 --> 1:52:49.120 I mean not Denver. I'm looking at Denver here Indy, 1:52:49.439 --> 1:52:51.240 and he had to beat Denver put up forty one. 1:52:51.640 --> 1:52:53.920 Then they beat Kansas City put up thirty six. The 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:56.920 offense was clicking, which just made the performance that this 1:52:56.960 --> 1:52:59.919 Patriots defense came out and laid even that much more impressive. 1:53:00.600 --> 1:53:03.360 The Patriots hadn't lost in Week four playing the Redskins, 1:53:03.360 --> 1:53:05.400 so they were just on a roll. And this was 1:53:05.400 --> 1:53:08.519 the first playoff meeting between the Patriots and Indy, the 1:53:08.520 --> 1:53:11.000 first of many, which is crazy. Brady Brady owned the 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:13.080 Colts up until this point. It's worth noting six and 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:16.080 oh in uh, it starts against the Colts to this point. 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:19.680 His first start was against the Colts after the Jets game. 1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:24.080 You guys won, then you guys lost three ye right, yeah, okay, 1:53:24.080 --> 1:53:26.840 that's when we hit him for three right there right. 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:33.679 Usually certain games is you just hot. It ain't nothing 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:35.400 that you can do that nobody can cover you. It 1:53:35.439 --> 1:53:38.040 was one of those games where that is nothing that 1:53:38.080 --> 1:53:40.760 you could have done, you know, to beat me. That 1:53:40.760 --> 1:53:42.559 did you just feel it? I ain't felt that way 1:53:42.760 --> 1:53:44.519 in a long time. You don't. It don't come all 1:53:44.520 --> 1:53:46.760 the time, I tell you that day lying, But that 1:53:46.800 --> 1:53:48.680 particular game, I didn't care who you threw out there 1:53:48.680 --> 1:53:50.639 in front of me. I just had a feeling that, 1:53:50.680 --> 1:53:52.719 you know, you just got that glow like Bruce Leroy 1:53:52.800 --> 1:53:55.479 up in this month, I heard I heard the NFL 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:58.240 planned this thing in the football this game. It was 1:53:58.600 --> 1:54:01.160 called the ugly Finder, So whoever had the most it 1:54:01.200 --> 1:54:05.559 was just the ball would find the ugly guy them. 1:54:08.479 --> 1:54:10.360 I love that hip. I love But you know what, 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.400 like you said, we're always one little, one day short, 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:15.559 one week short. Why could I do that in Super Bowl? 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:18.479 You know what I'm saying. You found Like I mean, 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:22.080 I'm glad that it happened though, so we got in 1:54:22.080 --> 1:54:23.639 the duble. But I mean that's the kind of game, 1:54:23.840 --> 1:54:25.800 the game that you want to feel and you want 1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:26.800 to have in the Super Bowl. 1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:30.200 Man, you gotta be careful because Rodney Harrison had the 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:31.600 other interception. 1:54:31.960 --> 1:54:34.920 Man, oh he'll hit you here, he might hit me. 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:39.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm my back back and all that ship. 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:41.400 Yo, that one handed one in the second quarter, like 1:54:41.440 --> 1:54:41.920 that was it? 1:54:41.960 --> 1:54:46.680 Man? Oh yeah, that's the third drive drive Yeah yeah man. 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:49.240 And that one right there was when we had it 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:51.280 was one of those cover tues where you know they're 1:54:51.280 --> 1:54:53.960 trying to get you back on that seventh you know, yeah, yeah, 1:54:54.000 --> 1:54:55.640 you know you're gonna get the good jam off the 1:54:55.680 --> 1:54:57.760 off ben and and he floated it, you know what 1:54:57.840 --> 1:54:59.520 I mean. I said, you know what I was willing 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.520 to give up up, you know, the low underneath one, 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:04.600 you know what I mean. And you know Peyton trying 1:55:04.600 --> 1:55:07.440 to win, Peyton be and Peyton being confident, and he 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:10.240 put it up there and that just that just started everything. Man. 1:55:10.280 --> 1:55:12.920 Now look at your chops when you saw the forecast 1:55:13.560 --> 1:55:14.240 thirty two. 1:55:14.160 --> 1:55:18.880 And so absolutely absolutely because the games down. Man, it 1:55:18.960 --> 1:55:21.320 slows the game down. And yet we knew we were 1:55:21.360 --> 1:55:24.200 tough guys, you know what I mean. So this falls 1:55:24.240 --> 1:55:26.360 right into us. I mean, you guys are playing in 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:28.280 the dome, you know what I mean. It's it's it's 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:30.240 a different ball game I had. This is real this 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:32.560 is real deal football, you know what I mean. So 1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:37.240 in thirteen when when Peyton was on Denver and the 1:55:37.240 --> 1:55:41.240 AFC Championship, we go out to fucking Denver and we're. 1:55:41.440 --> 1:55:44.120 Praying, like, oh, I think we're gonna get Snow. It's 1:55:44.120 --> 1:55:46.280 gonna be she They turned out be seventy five and sunny. 1:55:47.400 --> 1:55:53.160 They beat us. Yo, we're hopings, hey man, you know what, 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:58.720 and like after you know games, you know, like this, Okay, 1:55:58.800 --> 1:56:02.120 we wining there. But when we went to play the 1:56:02.240 --> 1:56:06.360 rams Bro on the greatest show on turf in the Dome, 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:09.680 everybody thought that we was gonna get our asses whip. 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:14.040 I think to this day we distilled the biggest underdogs 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:18.120 from a betting standpoint. Yeah, in Super Bowl history. That 1:56:18.240 --> 1:56:21.320 was flat out fucking disrespectful. Ernie. 1:56:21.520 --> 1:56:26.000 Ernie asked me to ask you about Bobby Hamilton. Bobby Hamilton, 1:56:26.280 --> 1:56:28.960 we shocked the world, he said. He said, he found 1:56:28.960 --> 1:56:32.120 out in two thousand and one, you guys were what 1:56:32.320 --> 1:56:35.520 h and for something or your two and two and 1:56:35.560 --> 1:56:40.000 he felt like the team clicked in a practice or 1:56:40.040 --> 1:56:42.040 it was in the year before that, and when you 1:56:42.400 --> 1:56:46.920 mother fucked Bobby Hamilton. You and him got in a fight, okay, yeah, yeah, 1:56:47.000 --> 1:56:50.160 he didn't come in and communicate the motion. 1:56:50.480 --> 1:56:53.000 Yeah yeah, me and Bobby Man, that's my guy right there, 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:57.280 like you're talking about hilarious dude. But Bobby was always 1:56:57.360 --> 1:56:59.360 super intense when it came to football. He had to 1:56:59.400 --> 1:57:01.600 fight his way to get to where he was at. 1:57:01.640 --> 1:57:05.200 And like, dude was coming down and I didn't call 1:57:05.240 --> 1:57:07.640 out the crack and it didn't even hit Bobby, it was. 1:57:07.880 --> 1:57:10.760 It was one of the other you know, outside linebackers 1:57:10.960 --> 1:57:13.200 line at the time. And so Bobby, of course, you know, 1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:15.440 come being Bobby getting up in my face, and now 1:57:15.480 --> 1:57:18.080 you know, you know that's where the oupha was coming at. 1:57:18.120 --> 1:57:20.000 So you know, I'm about to go at it, you know, 1:57:20.080 --> 1:57:23.120 with his ass, you know, three hundred pounds ass. But 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:25.320 I was like, man, I ain't. That's when the al 1:57:25.320 --> 1:57:27.520 equipper come out. There ain't no bitches around here now, 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.520 would let let's go, you know, So we started going 1:57:30.520 --> 1:57:31.840 at it. Didn't he come out of the line, and 1:57:31.920 --> 1:57:34.040 here come to DB's knowing that we can't beat them, 1:57:34.120 --> 1:57:36.320 you know what I mean. From besides, especially when Willie's 1:57:36.320 --> 1:57:38.200 big ass come up in there, you know, what I mean, 1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:41.120 you know what I mean, Yeah, exactly, Debo come up 1:57:41.160 --> 1:57:43.320 in there. But it was just one of those things 1:57:43.320 --> 1:57:45.040 that that's how we were, you know what I mean. 1:57:45.200 --> 1:57:47.760 So you expected me to do my job. He was 1:57:47.800 --> 1:57:50.200 protecting his d lineman by coming at me saying, God, 1:57:50.280 --> 1:57:52.840 damn it, call out the crack, you know what I mean. Yeah, 1:57:52.960 --> 1:57:54.600 I could have called out the crack, you know, and 1:57:54.640 --> 1:57:56.080 I think I did. He might not have heard it. 1:57:56.120 --> 1:57:58.120 But if I didn't and he didn't hear, it's still, 1:57:58.440 --> 1:58:00.400 you know, my fault. But you are not to come 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:02.160 in here and that like you, my mama. I'm a 1:58:02.160 --> 1:58:04.320 grown ass man, so you're gonna talk to me with 1:58:04.360 --> 1:58:07.440 a certain type of you know, respect, And that's how 1:58:07.440 --> 1:58:09.240 it was. But that's just how we did. But guess 1:58:09.280 --> 1:58:11.800 what what we're doing after practice? Where we're going, you 1:58:11.840 --> 1:58:14.520 know what I mean? Where we drinking that and it's 1:58:14.560 --> 1:58:16.200 all love, you know what I mean. We will sit there, 1:58:16.240 --> 1:58:19.240 we can go to blows on the sideline in the practice. 1:58:19.240 --> 1:58:22.480 I'm talking about, be some real scratch man. Afterwards. Man, 1:58:22.720 --> 1:58:25.560 it's all love. Were eating wings and drinking. 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:27.800 That's what Ernie said, though he said that was when 1:58:27.920 --> 1:58:33.080 he saw the team started to gel. 1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:37.760 What did you think you guys? Uh, you guys were 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:40.640 gonna be a super Bowl caliber team. He goes, it 1:58:40.800 --> 1:58:44.680 was just a third down practice Week five. We were zero 1:58:44.720 --> 1:58:48.600 and four and it's when Ty and Hamilton got into it. 1:58:48.760 --> 1:58:51.200 I shot there and it was like start the stick, 1:58:52.200 --> 1:58:55.840 start this stick Yep, he b hamm and he gonna 1:58:55.840 --> 1:58:57.360 come right at you. But it was like, you know 1:58:57.360 --> 1:58:59.080 a lot of times, you know, the big guys, they 1:58:59.080 --> 1:59:01.560 think they gonna come at the I think it's going no, no, 1:59:01.680 --> 1:59:02.320 that's not happening. 1:59:02.920 --> 1:59:05.080 Beat by Derek Burgess because I was when I was 1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:10.360 on scout team the Raiders and years, and he like 1:59:11.240 --> 1:59:13.080 I had to do something. It was on the fucking 1:59:13.120 --> 1:59:16.160 card right to go hit him and he got he 1:59:16.280 --> 1:59:18.920 like mushed me for no reason after the play, and 1:59:18.960 --> 1:59:23.320 I fucking mushed him back. We almost started throwing blows 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:27.640 and Derek Bridges probably hated. He didn't like he was 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:29.360 kind of in his own world, you know, he felt 1:59:29.360 --> 1:59:30.760 like an outside Yeah. 1:59:30.920 --> 1:59:34.120 Yeah, after that he was my dog, though he respected 1:59:34.160 --> 1:59:37.480 the out. It was a guy I don't know if 1:59:37.520 --> 1:59:39.480 you remember his name. His name was Sean Morey, went 1:59:39.520 --> 1:59:42.880 to Brown Universe. He was a receiver no one expected him, 1:59:42.880 --> 1:59:45.640 and they gave him a tryout out of Brown receiver. 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:48.080 He was. He was an eleven to twelve year special 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:50.520 team guy, just running down on kickoff. He was like, 1:59:50.880 --> 1:59:54.360 you know, uh a Matthew Slater at that time. He 1:59:54.440 --> 1:59:56.480 was that type of guy and he he had some 1:59:56.520 --> 1:59:59.160 success play eleven years. Who do you do when you 1:59:59.240 --> 2:00:01.760 come into the yard. He tried to pick on, pick 2:00:01.800 --> 2:00:04.520 on the big guy. I'm the guy with the name right, 2:00:04.800 --> 2:00:06.840 So he came right at me hard all day, you 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:08.200 know what I mean, And we got into it and 2:00:08.280 --> 2:00:10.200 I had to twist him up a little bit. But 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:12.760 after practice I had to give him some love, man, 2:00:12.800 --> 2:00:15.360 because look, he trying to make the team. I'm already established. 2:00:15.760 --> 2:00:19.960 He's a free agent, you know, basically just got an 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:23.240 opportunity because like he went to Brown, he earned everything. Man. 2:00:23.240 --> 2:00:25.320 So I look at Sean mulray or he was a 2:00:25.360 --> 2:00:28.440 dog because he wasn't afraid to come at me. You know, 2:00:28.520 --> 2:00:30.200 sometime if you want a guy, you go out the 2:00:30.200 --> 2:00:34.000 wrong guy, you're gonna get cut now. Sean, man, he 2:00:34.080 --> 2:00:36.280 always gonna have my respect. And I haven't ever got 2:00:36.320 --> 2:00:38.600 to tell him this in person outside of the time 2:00:38.640 --> 2:00:41.160 afterwards the practice. It was good man. I had to, 2:00:41.280 --> 2:00:43.640 you know, you know, buy him a beer. Man. I said, man, 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:46.160 you keep working, bro, and keep working. You gotta respect 2:00:46.160 --> 2:00:47.920 guys like that, got it. I mean that those are 2:00:47.960 --> 2:00:50.240 the I was one of those guys, you know, I 2:00:50.280 --> 2:00:53.240 had to do that kind of ship. Yeah, but can 2:00:53.240 --> 2:00:55.600 you walk us through beat for beat? The pick six, 2:00:56.160 --> 2:00:59.400 he's an easy one, that was. That was one of 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:03.200 the easy you know, you know picks like because I 2:01:03.200 --> 2:01:05.800 always give credit to Rabel. You know, Rabel, you know, 2:01:05.840 --> 2:01:07.800 made him Aaron flow. It was one of those things 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:10.400 where you know, he did the same thing that Indy 2:01:10.520 --> 2:01:13.200 used to do and start putting Marvin in motions. So 2:01:13.240 --> 2:01:15.960 they put Isaac in motion so I couldn't get him 2:01:15.960 --> 2:01:17.840 at the line of scrimmage. And it was one of 2:01:17.880 --> 2:01:19.360 those places you had to back off, you going to 2:01:19.440 --> 2:01:22.640 motion and you just seen it, you're coming. Rabel got 2:01:22.680 --> 2:01:25.640 through so clean that okay, now I'm just reading him. 2:01:26.080 --> 2:01:28.000 And then it was an Aaron throw. So I said, 2:01:28.000 --> 2:01:29.760 I'm gonna be Hesitan case Isaac because he had an 2:01:29.920 --> 2:01:32.200 Isaac can route. He would rap the hell out of you. 2:01:32.280 --> 2:01:34.840 So it's like, okay, you're playing for the double move. 2:01:35.040 --> 2:01:37.240 It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't 2:01:37.280 --> 2:01:38.960 going in motion like that until then. So I was 2:01:39.040 --> 2:01:40.840 kind of trying to feel it out. So what type 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:43.200 of games is gonna be? And Rabel came in there 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:46.680 and he wind back the thought. I'm like, you bullshit, 2:01:47.120 --> 2:01:50.040 he dude, it come on, man, come on, Kirk, you 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:51.920 know what I mean. And it was coming like it 2:01:52.000 --> 2:01:53.520 was slow motion. I was sitting like, oh, this is 2:01:53.520 --> 2:01:56.720 the super Bowl. That's the kind of shit you dropped 2:01:56.800 --> 2:02:00.320 because it's so easy. It's so easy and rop it. 2:02:00.400 --> 2:02:02.120 But you know, once I got it, man, all you 2:02:02.200 --> 2:02:04.960 seen was flashes and it was like everything would blank, 2:02:05.320 --> 2:02:07.440 you know, and you know it's like you hear the 2:02:07.440 --> 2:02:09.800 screens and it just went silent, and I'm running down 2:02:09.840 --> 2:02:12.640 there and just flashes and knowing that this is it, 2:02:12.880 --> 2:02:14.640 you know, in the super Bowl, and got that pick 2:02:14.760 --> 2:02:17.040 and the rest we rolle the hell out of it, 2:02:17.080 --> 2:02:18.200 you know what I mean. We wrote the hell out 2:02:18.200 --> 2:02:22.360 of that thing man. The hand that's just like I 2:02:22.400 --> 2:02:24.200 don't even know what I was doing, you know, I 2:02:24.360 --> 2:02:27.120 just I just it's super I just clew it up, 2:02:27.160 --> 2:02:29.120 you know what I mean. It's something that I've never 2:02:29.160 --> 2:02:32.080 done before in any of my picks or my pick six. 2:02:32.160 --> 2:02:34.280 I didn't throw it up. It was just something that 2:02:34.480 --> 2:02:36.720 just happened and I threw it up there and it's 2:02:36.720 --> 2:02:40.080 been the iconic picture ever since, so damn iconic. Insane. 2:02:40.280 --> 2:02:43.000 Oh man, let's get back into this game real quick. 2:02:43.360 --> 2:02:46.360 You guys start off hot. You guys started off hot, 2:02:46.880 --> 2:02:49.960 did you? But you knew it wasn't it wasn't going 2:02:50.000 --> 2:02:52.120 to be over because of Peyton Manning, right. I mean 2:02:52.240 --> 2:02:54.040 you think about the people that they had on it. 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.840 Look at their skill, guys. You got Edrin James, Hall 2:02:56.880 --> 2:02:59.520 of Famer, you know a lot of Hall of Famers 2:02:59.520 --> 2:03:01.840 with the whole lot little rint mount of rings. Yeah, 2:03:02.320 --> 2:03:04.160 a whole lot of Yeah, we got a lot of 2:03:04.200 --> 2:03:07.560 rings exactly. But you talk about some some some true 2:03:07.680 --> 2:03:09.720 some true dogs, you know what I mean, And that's 2:03:09.720 --> 2:03:12.640 what they had. I was like, Edrin James can play Marvin, 2:03:12.720 --> 2:03:15.240 you know, I mean, he wasn't like like a tough guy, 2:03:15.280 --> 2:03:18.040 but Marvin, he's gonna god damn compete, you know what 2:03:18.080 --> 2:03:21.320 I mean. I read a story that he didn't need 2:03:21.360 --> 2:03:23.800 to chase someone down for rent money once. Oh you 2:03:23.880 --> 2:03:29.400 know what, you know what? Yeah? He was he was. 2:03:29.440 --> 2:03:31.560 He was a quiet guy. He didn't talk a lot, 2:03:31.600 --> 2:03:33.640 you know, he wasn't like, you know, you know those 2:03:33.640 --> 2:03:36.720 guys I want to sit and hang out with. Oh yeah, 2:03:36.720 --> 2:03:39.480 you know what, you know what, so saying he's not 2:03:39.600 --> 2:03:42.000 a dog, I was saying that from being a vocal 2:03:42.120 --> 2:03:44.920 you know, most receiver ship talkers, you know, like like, uh, 2:03:45.040 --> 2:03:47.240 you know, Isaac, He'll you could be warned up, He'll 2:03:47.240 --> 2:03:49.640 walk through your ship. He was that guy trying to 2:03:49.680 --> 2:03:52.160 get into you. Joe Horner talker, O Joe a talker, 2:03:52.200 --> 2:03:53.800 you know what I mean. Even though they was tough, 2:03:54.120 --> 2:03:56.520 you know what I mean, and great players, but it 2:03:56.640 --> 2:03:59.640 was something different about somebody that's willing to fight you 2:03:59.720 --> 2:04:01.320 and not try to just get in your head. It's like, 2:04:01.520 --> 2:04:02.840 you know, I ain't got to do a lot of talking. 2:04:03.160 --> 2:04:05.840 So yeah, you know, he was that type of guy. 2:04:05.880 --> 2:04:08.680 But you look at their offensive skill position and their guys. Man, 2:04:08.720 --> 2:04:11.960 it's like god damn. So it's never over. It's never 2:04:12.000 --> 2:04:14.400 over with them. And we knew that, and we was 2:04:14.400 --> 2:04:16.120 giving it all all the week got and of course 2:04:16.160 --> 2:04:19.440 Peyton Manning, you give him enough opportunities, he's going to 2:04:19.520 --> 2:04:21.360 make some plays. So you always got to respect your 2:04:21.360 --> 2:04:23.200 opponent and letting and know that they're going to make 2:04:23.200 --> 2:04:26.720 some plays too. Now you didn't play any special teams, 2:04:27.160 --> 2:04:31.360 Uh no, you know you're really good for I played 2:04:31.360 --> 2:04:34.320 my first year, you know what I mean. But then 2:04:34.800 --> 2:04:37.360 what we did take pride in and if Troy needed us, 2:04:37.720 --> 2:04:39.440 me and Lawyer, we love to be the gunner, like 2:04:39.480 --> 2:04:41.720 the guys that hold up there. That was that was 2:04:41.720 --> 2:04:43.840 that was, that was us on the avice. So my thing, 2:04:44.240 --> 2:04:46.200 we would always try to like the guys on the side. 2:04:46.480 --> 2:04:50.480 You guys score seventeen points with special teams, Hey, we 2:04:50.560 --> 2:04:52.360 try to knock the gator right down. That was the goal. 2:04:52.520 --> 2:04:54.880 So when we're out there as the gonna we line 2:04:54.920 --> 2:04:57.080 up insight. We want you to go outside the roger there, 2:04:57.120 --> 2:04:59.920 but you can get no, not just get him out 2:04:59.960 --> 2:05:02.480 of bounds. Were trying to knock over the gatorade. So 2:05:02.560 --> 2:05:04.240 that was the goal, to try to get them in 2:05:04.280 --> 2:05:05.640 the gator rade, you know what I mean. And we 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:07.600 got a couple of people like that, you know, through 2:05:07.600 --> 2:05:09.040 the years, we lock them up. We trying to knock 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:11.200 y'all's fucking drinks down, you know what I mean, And 2:05:11.560 --> 2:05:13.440 especially if we was on that sideline. But that was 2:05:13.480 --> 2:05:16.480 pretty much the only special teams kickoff, did that, and 2:05:16.560 --> 2:05:18.800 you know how you're supposed to go down there, and 2:05:18.800 --> 2:05:21.520 and I was never like the wedge guy. I was 2:05:21.560 --> 2:05:23.280 always want to call him fold as soon as they 2:05:23.360 --> 2:05:25.960 kick it. No, you've got to go down there phone 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:27.680 so I could come in the back. I'm not going 2:05:27.720 --> 2:05:29.840 down there that you You tougher to me, Bro, you 2:05:29.840 --> 2:05:31.720 hear about this new thing. I think they're gonna go 2:05:31.760 --> 2:05:34.320 to that new XFL shit, what is I I couldn't 2:05:34.320 --> 2:05:35.120 I couldn't follow it. 2:05:35.160 --> 2:05:39.120 So they're gonna have not ten guys from the kickoff 2:05:39.400 --> 2:05:43.560 on the opposing forty five I think, or thirty five 2:05:43.720 --> 2:05:46.720 forty five, and then a ten yard gap with nine 2:05:46.760 --> 2:05:48.480 guys for the return team. 2:05:48.560 --> 2:05:49.920 So there's a ten yard cushion. 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:53.720 Kickers still weigh in the back, kicking by himself, so 2:05:53.760 --> 2:05:57.480 they're taking We're all usually on that our own thirty five. 2:05:57.720 --> 2:05:59.640 They're bringing it all the way here. So there's a 2:05:59.680 --> 2:06:03.400 ten year cushion and you get two returners. You can't 2:06:03.400 --> 2:06:05.080 have any You can have a wedge on the front line, 2:06:05.120 --> 2:06:06.960 but it's gonna be I don't know, it's fucking weird. 2:06:07.360 --> 2:06:10.240 You're taking away from great players. And I'm glad that 2:06:10.280 --> 2:06:11.640 he got in the Hall of Fame, where I think 2:06:11.640 --> 2:06:14.160 that's gonna really open up the doors for you know, 2:06:14.280 --> 2:06:17.720 specialist guys like yourself, you know, Devin Hester getting in, Man, 2:06:18.160 --> 2:06:19.960 that was an exciting part of the game when you're 2:06:19.960 --> 2:06:21.760 taking shit and taking the punt returns. Because that's a 2:06:21.760 --> 2:06:23.880 exciting part of the game. Man, How did you feel 2:06:23.880 --> 2:06:26.560 like that? Did you feel like that was like especially 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:29.520 you were more of a you know, pure receiver then. 2:06:29.560 --> 2:06:32.880 But do you feel like that they took away from 2:06:32.920 --> 2:06:36.520 you specifically when you were doing more to returners when 2:06:36.520 --> 2:06:39.520 they start changing these rules. No, they haven't really changed 2:06:39.600 --> 2:06:41.200 punt Well I'm talking about the kickoff, the. 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:44.360 Kickof Yeah, the kickoff when I was covering kicks. Yeah, 2:06:44.560 --> 2:06:47.800 but it wasn't ever in my generation by the time. Yeah, 2:06:47.840 --> 2:06:50.280 it sucks because I was boys with all the teamers 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:53.040 for like my first four or five years. You know, 2:06:53.080 --> 2:06:57.160 I hung out with the special teams guys, and that's 2:06:57.200 --> 2:07:00.560 their job. They're just eliminating jobs eight jobs. 2:07:00.600 --> 2:07:02.680 But then the exciting plays, you know, I played with 2:07:03.040 --> 2:07:07.640 Daunte Hall man, I mean, oh, man, beast, you know 2:07:07.680 --> 2:07:10.120 what I mean. You sit there like, you know, I 2:07:10.200 --> 2:07:12.360 was out on the field when Troy Brown and when 2:07:12.400 --> 2:07:14.720 we're doing that in Pittsburgh and the game, you know, 2:07:14.720 --> 2:07:17.920 I was out there on the field as as de vice, 2:07:18.520 --> 2:07:20.680 you know what I mean. So it's like that's a 2:07:20.720 --> 2:07:23.800 big part of the game. You know. Kickoffs, man, you 2:07:24.240 --> 2:07:26.360 you do this, you don't get to see Devin Hester, 2:07:27.600 --> 2:07:30.280 how many kickoffs did you take up? I took four 2:07:30.640 --> 2:07:35.440 punt returns. I had two called back. That's it. You 2:07:35.520 --> 2:07:39.520 had two called back? Damn. Oh wow. 2:07:39.560 --> 2:07:41.280 You can never get mad at a guy trying hard 2:07:41.320 --> 2:07:44.200 on kickoff or you know in the kicking game because 2:07:44.240 --> 2:07:46.320 those guys get a holding call, you get a clip. 2:07:46.600 --> 2:07:49.680 Just try and work their for you, right, So Dane 2:07:49.720 --> 2:07:52.520 Fletcher and Patrick Chunk even impact. 2:07:52.120 --> 2:07:54.080 Like a Matthew Slater. I mean, I used to love 2:07:54.240 --> 2:07:57.960 watching Matthew on the kickoff. That's the only time I 2:07:58.040 --> 2:08:00.960 like look at the kickoff because Matthew sla gonna be 2:08:01.000 --> 2:08:02.360 the first one down to feel. He don't give a 2:08:02.400 --> 2:08:04.400 damn who in front of him. He running through it. 2:08:04.480 --> 2:08:06.120 He found a way and make the play. But it's 2:08:06.120 --> 2:08:08.080 taking away from god thing because guess what, you running 2:08:08.080 --> 2:08:10.520 down there fast as hell, it's going to be a touchback. 2:08:10.760 --> 2:08:15.840 You know, it's the new rule. They the new touchback. 2:08:15.880 --> 2:08:17.680 If you kick it in the end zone, they get 2:08:17.680 --> 2:08:20.560 it out. It's like they think the forty or the thirty, 2:08:20.760 --> 2:08:23.840 it's some big ass numbers. So they're they're trying to 2:08:23.880 --> 2:08:25.160 make it where you want to kick it in the 2:08:25.640 --> 2:08:28.400 kick zone, which is the twenty to the goal line. 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:31.120 It's fucking weird. It's like some wow in theory. 2:08:31.120 --> 2:08:33.560 It's gonna make a little bit more like returns happen 2:08:34.040 --> 2:08:37.560 and just make it safer. But we'll see it's gonna 2:08:37.560 --> 2:08:38.680 be complicated and hard to fallow. 2:08:39.000 --> 2:08:41.320 Jackie, break down this game. Let's put a bow on 2:08:41.360 --> 2:08:42.000 this bad boy. 2:08:42.440 --> 2:08:45.520 This was a game that defense of the Patriots really 2:08:45.640 --> 2:08:49.400 ran this thing. Five turnovers, three picks by ty Law, 2:08:49.680 --> 2:08:52.360 three sacks by Jarvis Green. I didn't know he had 2:08:52.360 --> 2:08:56.040 three sat by Rodney, and in our mind's eye we 2:08:56.040 --> 2:08:58.560 were talking about this earlier, it really felt like a blowout, 2:08:58.760 --> 2:09:00.800 like as we look back on it, but it can't. 2:09:01.240 --> 2:09:03.600 I mean, the Colts at the ball with under two 2:09:03.600 --> 2:09:05.800 minutes left, marching down the field trying to tie this 2:09:05.800 --> 2:09:09.320 thing up, but uh gotta stop. Adam knocked through a 2:09:09.320 --> 2:09:11.680 field goal put us up twenty four to fourteen to 2:09:11.720 --> 2:09:15.320 ice that game. And uh it's became the second NFL 2:09:15.360 --> 2:09:20.120 game without a punt, crazy, right, no punts in this thing? 2:09:20.440 --> 2:09:23.200 Wild? There was there was a punt. There was an 2:09:23.200 --> 2:09:24.480 attempted punt of safety. 2:09:24.520 --> 2:09:26.600 It was a safety went by, uh went by the 2:09:26.640 --> 2:09:27.840 punter and he kicked it out of the back of 2:09:27.880 --> 2:09:29.280 the end zone for safety. 2:09:29.400 --> 2:09:32.600 You know you know what. I didn't know that. You 2:09:32.600 --> 2:09:39.360 know what that calls fort Okay, now we got to 2:09:39.440 --> 2:09:41.480 do the peer. We gotta run and done. No, this 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:45.000 is the peer. This it's just pure potato. Now this 2:09:45.160 --> 2:09:51.400 is corn. Yeah, all natural, let's do it. Hey, it's 2:09:51.400 --> 2:09:53.720 to success to you guys, mane, thank you for having me. 2:09:53.800 --> 2:09:58.280 Really appreciate it. Hey and beating the Shehall of the Cold. Yeah, absolutely, 2:09:59.040 --> 2:10:08.720 look sure, all respect. Now what's the aftermath? The aftermath? 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:10.840 New England goes on to beat the Panthers in the 2:10:10.920 --> 2:10:15.160 Super Bowl thirty sevens right, second super Bowl in three years, 2:10:16.240 --> 2:10:18.760 pretty much starting to get that dynasty talk, dynasty talk, 2:10:19.040 --> 2:10:20.920 dynasty talks coming. Uh. 2:10:21.080 --> 2:10:24.840 Indy would continue to struggle in the playoffs until twenty 2:10:24.880 --> 2:10:26.920 six two thousand and six, beat. 2:10:26.720 --> 2:10:27.640 The Bears in the Super Bowl. 2:10:27.720 --> 2:10:30.720 Eat the Bears in the Super Bowl, which Ernie thinks 2:10:30.760 --> 2:10:33.440 that that was the super Bowl. That was the Super Bowl? 2:10:34.120 --> 2:10:36.200 Was that game that you guys that they lost in 2:10:36.560 --> 2:10:40.800 you know six because the Bears, the Bears were a 2:10:40.840 --> 2:10:41.440 caliber team. 2:10:41.600 --> 2:10:43.600 They had Rex Grossman starting at quarterback. I mean, no 2:10:43.680 --> 2:10:44.760 Shade erect come. 2:10:44.640 --> 2:10:46.280 On now, yeah, I mean that was I mean, they 2:10:46.440 --> 2:10:48.240 we knew, we knew what was going to happen. Then. 2:10:48.320 --> 2:10:50.720 I think it was uh, you know, you know, more 2:10:50.840 --> 2:10:52.680 rioting on the line just than just you know, Peyton 2:10:52.760 --> 2:10:55.240 getting his you know about you know, Tony dungeye b 2:10:55.320 --> 2:10:57.440 and one of the you know if African American you know, 2:10:57.560 --> 2:10:59.480 you know at the time it's gonna be African American. 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:04.040 Another one, yeah, lef, you know, getting a Super Bowl 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:06.560 ring and you know you're still you know, you're looking 2:11:06.560 --> 2:11:13.520 at that. Tony Dungee was awesome, Like Tony that you 2:11:13.760 --> 2:11:15.120 that you want to play for, you know, and he 2:11:15.160 --> 2:11:17.400 played the game. You know, Bill coached him. 2:11:18.920 --> 2:11:22.160 I think he coached him on special teams back in 2:11:22.200 --> 2:11:22.600 the day. 2:11:23.240 --> 2:11:23.480 Damn. 2:11:23.640 --> 2:11:26.680 I remember I saw an interview where Tony Dungee was 2:11:26.720 --> 2:11:29.440 talking about how Bill was his special teams coach. 2:11:29.480 --> 2:11:32.440 Wow, I didn't know that. But you know, it's different, 2:11:32.840 --> 2:11:35.200 like you know, I used to have the ship with 2:11:35.240 --> 2:11:38.320 Bill sometime and Eric Man Jenny, you know, my dB coach, 2:11:38.600 --> 2:11:41.760 and they'll say, like a certain technique. I'm like, have 2:11:41.920 --> 2:11:46.640 you ever stood across from random Moss coming fool speed 2:11:46.640 --> 2:11:49.600 at you to say to do this that that? Like man, 2:11:49.840 --> 2:11:51.920 hell no. But when you say the same thing to 2:11:51.960 --> 2:12:00.600 Herman networds, Oh yeah, yeah, look at I've been that 2:12:00.640 --> 2:12:03.560 TALLO say the full I been. I've been there, so 2:12:03.680 --> 2:12:06.040 her so her. It's like it's a little bit different 2:12:06.040 --> 2:12:08.600 when they play. So Tony Dungeon he played at the 2:12:08.720 --> 2:12:10.600 at the highest level, you know what I mean. So 2:12:10.960 --> 2:12:12.840 it was just one of those you know things that 2:12:12.960 --> 2:12:14.520 you know when I went there, it was such a 2:12:14.560 --> 2:12:17.000 difference playing like Belichick, he can see it, he can 2:12:17.040 --> 2:12:19.160 know it and all that stuff. But saying they didn't 2:12:19.200 --> 2:12:22.240 experience it, they didn't experience that speed and that you know, 2:12:22.320 --> 2:12:24.200 and what's really going on out in the field. So 2:12:24.280 --> 2:12:26.440 sometime as a young player, you know, and that's as 2:12:26.440 --> 2:12:29.640 a player in general, you know now that do you 2:12:29.800 --> 2:12:32.040 understand what's really going on out here? Do you see 2:12:32.040 --> 2:12:34.200 that man over there? Do you see the freak that 2:12:34.320 --> 2:12:36.880 damn Randy Moss t O and all you do you 2:12:36.920 --> 2:12:40.960 see that? But herm will let you know real quick. 2:12:41.400 --> 2:12:46.520 You know, I got I got thirty, I got thirty three, 2:12:46.600 --> 2:12:48.760 thirty six somethingdy, He'll let you know it. And he 2:12:48.800 --> 2:12:51.400 got thirty plus in this league. So you ain't about 2:12:51.400 --> 2:12:55.000 to sit there and tell him, you know what's gonna happen. Hey, Man, 2:12:55.080 --> 2:12:59.440 love love her Man. HER's funny. Oh speech as ever. Man. 2:12:59.680 --> 2:13:04.280 I mean we watched him on the ESPN. Yeah, he's funny, hilarious. 2:13:04.560 --> 2:13:08.920 Eric little Bill, Yeah, we called we called you little Bill. Yeah, 2:13:08.960 --> 2:13:11.960 a little little Bill told on the teacher. That's what 2:13:12.000 --> 2:13:14.680 I'm saying. I'm like, but you know when I went 2:13:14.720 --> 2:13:17.560 to first time, my first stint with the Jets, Yeah, no, 2:13:17.640 --> 2:13:19.880 it was the second, you know, the first stint was 2:13:20.280 --> 2:13:22.520 with her, and then I went back again, you know, 2:13:22.560 --> 2:13:24.160 after I left Kansas City and I went to the 2:13:24.200 --> 2:13:28.080 Jets second time. That was you know, man, Jeanie was there. 2:13:28.280 --> 2:13:31.480 So you were there during all the spy games, huh Man. 2:13:32.240 --> 2:13:33.840 I was there late because I came in like at 2:13:34.080 --> 2:13:36.360 week eight. You know what I mean. I was. I 2:13:36.400 --> 2:13:40.120 was I was ratted Daddy out and then he was 2:13:40.720 --> 2:13:43.040 daddy No way. I was there. I was there with 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:44.920 the I think I was new. What year was that 2:13:45.120 --> 2:13:47.880 I was still in New England? Was seven? Oh? No, 2:13:47.920 --> 2:13:49.440 I was gone, you know, I was what I was 2:13:49.440 --> 2:13:52.480 in Kansas City. I came back in eight, so, you know, 2:13:52.680 --> 2:13:56.880 but just going there and with Eric, because now now 2:13:56.960 --> 2:13:59.120 we had a different time Like when I went to 2:13:59.200 --> 2:14:01.760 the Pro Bowls Eye, I always always bring Eric because 2:14:01.760 --> 2:14:03.920 he's a dbe coach of his family and we'll go 2:14:03.920 --> 2:14:06.120 over so we had a different type of bond of connection. 2:14:06.240 --> 2:14:07.960 So I should just try to tell him just be you. 2:14:08.520 --> 2:14:12.200 I think when people leave Belichick, they try to be Bill, 2:14:12.560 --> 2:14:14.560 you know what I mean. It's like, no, it's only 2:14:14.560 --> 2:14:17.400 it's only one Bill. So I think even with Josh, 2:14:17.440 --> 2:14:21.720 I was there with that spike exactly. But it's like 2:14:22.000 --> 2:14:26.680 that's why I didn't. I didn't even know. But you know, Eric, 2:14:27.400 --> 2:14:30.360 he was like, hey, I know where all the bones buried. 2:14:30.760 --> 2:14:33.240 You know, that's that's what they know. Where that So 2:14:33.960 --> 2:14:37.080 and if you was doing that, which, like I said, 2:14:37.160 --> 2:14:40.160 as players, we never knew anything, you know what I mean. 2:14:40.200 --> 2:14:41.760 So it's like when they say this and that, like 2:14:42.000 --> 2:14:44.800 when have you ever came in and seen another person's 2:14:44.800 --> 2:14:47.240 practice or anything like, I've never experienced that. So when 2:14:47.240 --> 2:14:48.840 people say that, what do the hell are you talking about? 2:14:49.080 --> 2:14:51.320 But then if if Eric was to say something, if 2:14:51.320 --> 2:14:53.920 he was the one to go out, Okay, Bill, you 2:14:53.960 --> 2:14:57.000 know who you're playing to. You don't gonna do that 2:14:57.000 --> 2:14:59.680 ship or if something is really going on like this, 2:15:00.280 --> 2:15:01.960 you didn't. You can't do that on the player, that 2:15:02.120 --> 2:15:04.040 on somebody that you was doing. So it was dumb 2:15:04.120 --> 2:15:06.080 on both day parts if that was the case. You 2:15:06.120 --> 2:15:07.960 know what I mean. But I've never seen personally, have 2:15:08.000 --> 2:15:10.240 you ever seen a since you've been there, have you 2:15:10.280 --> 2:15:11.800 ever seen it when it was all coming out? I've 2:15:11.840 --> 2:15:12.840 never seen nothing like that. 2:15:12.960 --> 2:15:15.720 No, But I mean I was watching that that documentary 2:15:15.760 --> 2:15:17.800 and I'm sitting there and was there. 2:15:17.920 --> 2:15:20.400 Eric wasn't on it. Man, did Maie come on it? 2:15:20.720 --> 2:15:23.400 He's been banned from football if you noticed it. Huh. 2:15:23.680 --> 2:15:25.920 I know he's doing TV. But ever since he told 2:15:25.920 --> 2:15:27.360 on him, he ain't got a job. 2:15:27.760 --> 2:15:29.360 He did have a cameo on the Sopranos, so that 2:15:29.360 --> 2:15:29.880 was pretty cool. 2:15:30.120 --> 2:15:30.280 Huh. 2:15:30.400 --> 2:15:31.640 He was in the Sopranos. 2:15:32.040 --> 2:15:34.680 The Belichick in factors that someone is saying like, I 2:15:34.680 --> 2:15:36.760 don't want that my my my building. 2:15:37.240 --> 2:15:40.160 You know what? Secret? You know what? I don't know 2:15:40.360 --> 2:15:42.640 if you were saying and if you got black ball, 2:15:42.680 --> 2:15:45.600 because he had after you went, Check went to Cleveland Cleveland, 2:15:45.920 --> 2:15:47.760 so they still he still was at that. But you 2:15:47.800 --> 2:15:49.760 gotta you gotta win, you know what I mean. And 2:15:49.800 --> 2:15:51.440 he hadn't do that. But if you was the one 2:15:51.480 --> 2:15:55.520 that called out and you participated, you know, if that 2:15:55.680 --> 2:15:59.320 was anything going on, it's like, that's hypocritical if that 2:15:59.440 --> 2:16:01.760 was the case. Like I'm keep saying that because I 2:16:01.760 --> 2:16:04.240 know people try to sound like I never seen the ship. 2:16:04.360 --> 2:16:06.320 I never know whether check you got to be a 2:16:06.400 --> 2:16:11.000 damn food if you do that to somebody that know, 2:16:11.680 --> 2:16:13.600 would the bones beard and seekers and all that stuff. 2:16:13.640 --> 2:16:15.800 But I think it's kind of like baseball. These fools 2:16:15.800 --> 2:16:18.800 are stealing each other signs all year long. Yeah, that's 2:16:18.800 --> 2:16:21.000 why you tell people's like if you see somebody with 2:16:21.760 --> 2:16:24.600 when can you ever do anything when you get the signal? 2:16:25.320 --> 2:16:28.320 Right, It's like you can't communicate it until the next 2:16:28.320 --> 2:16:30.040 game and things are changed anyways. 2:16:30.520 --> 2:16:33.240 But I'm just still mad at Eric Mangini. That was 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:36.879 some bullshit. You can't be going literally, you know, like 2:16:36.920 --> 2:16:39.240 it's kind of like kind of like a little baby 2:16:39.280 --> 2:16:42.280 bird coming out of an egg. Bill literally sat on 2:16:42.320 --> 2:16:43.879 your ass and hatched you. 2:16:45.720 --> 2:16:48.760 And hatched you, and you're gonna go away from the 2:16:48.840 --> 2:16:52.240 nest and you're gonna go try to kill Mama bird. 2:16:53.360 --> 2:16:58.520 I think you know, like I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 2:16:58.640 --> 2:17:00.480 I get what you say. I think it's dumb if 2:17:00.560 --> 2:17:02.440 that was the case it was done on both day parts, 2:17:02.520 --> 2:17:06.160 because it's like if some situations like that was happening 2:17:06.840 --> 2:17:09.560 and he knew it, you know, not to do that, 2:17:09.959 --> 2:17:13.480 you know, to him, because he can you know, I 2:17:13.520 --> 2:17:17.760 don't get dog or you're a rat if you you 2:17:17.760 --> 2:17:22.000 think you can do it. I got to see the 2:17:22.040 --> 2:17:24.440 rest because I didn't know if he did that, and 2:17:24.800 --> 2:17:26.480 he and they said the only thing that he did it, 2:17:26.920 --> 2:17:29.080 that's some rat ship. That's rad ship right there. I 2:17:29.120 --> 2:17:34.440 don't know. I don't know speculation, you know, shoot after this, 2:17:34.560 --> 2:17:38.680 but we're not saying allegedly all. I got to let 2:17:38.720 --> 2:17:40.080 the rest of it. But like I said, I have 2:17:40.200 --> 2:17:42.720 never seen the stuff for me personally to be able 2:17:42.720 --> 2:17:46.600 to watch somebody press like the ram still Man Marshall 2:17:46.640 --> 2:17:49.560 f Marsha fawk Stills. That's my guy too, right there. 2:17:49.600 --> 2:17:53.680 You know, Marshall, it's over. Man, Oh broh, you talk 2:17:53.760 --> 2:17:57.720 about hell to prepare for it. Man, Marshall fall. Marshall 2:17:57.720 --> 2:18:02.000 falls a b is that exactly? Hell of a receiver, Marshall, 2:18:02.360 --> 2:18:04.600 if he wanted to and he trained at it, he 2:18:04.680 --> 2:18:07.920 probably could have been a productive receiver. That's how good 2:18:07.959 --> 2:18:09.640 he was, you know, out of the backfield. That's what 2:18:09.840 --> 2:18:12.720 people say. He was that good the scrolls route. But 2:18:12.760 --> 2:18:22.119 we still whip you all ass Yeah, physical exactly great, 2:18:22.160 --> 2:18:24.640 greatest show on Turn, the bed Track team all that stuff, 2:18:24.680 --> 2:18:28.240 and like they were extremely extremely talented. Man, you know, 2:18:28.320 --> 2:18:30.600 you're talking about Tory Holt, the same thing was like 2:18:30.640 --> 2:18:33.360 the same thing Marvin Harrison, Reggy Wayne, you're talking about 2:18:33.400 --> 2:18:36.199 Isaac Bruce was one of the best routers to ever 2:18:36.240 --> 2:18:37.800 play the game, you know what I mean? And talking 2:18:37.800 --> 2:18:45.160 about stop on a jime. He was like you know Ricky, Yeah, Ricky. 2:18:45.600 --> 2:18:47.000 And then you had Tory hold Over there with that 2:18:47.080 --> 2:18:49.280 speed that could take the top off anytime. You had 2:18:49.320 --> 2:18:51.680 Kurt Warner. Then Marshall fall. You had to like we 2:18:51.800 --> 2:19:00.680 had somebody in there, guys just rotting with marsh fall. Yeah, 2:19:01.120 --> 2:19:01.640 but I was that. 2:19:01.680 --> 2:19:04.800 One team that I was playing Madden and Ship you 2:19:04.879 --> 2:19:08.040 played right, exactly exactly right. 2:19:08.280 --> 2:19:12.080 And then Marshall fault, like we had somebody mimicking him, 2:19:12.240 --> 2:19:15.879 and it was just different guys rotating the number twenty 2:19:15.879 --> 2:19:19.800 eight because the job was we ain't gonna lose with Marshall, 2:19:19.920 --> 2:19:22.720 so somebody hit him. So you're talking about rookies a sore. 2:19:23.120 --> 2:19:24.959 We all put in a little something to give them 2:19:25.040 --> 2:19:28.560 extra check, you know, after we won that game, you know, 2:19:28.600 --> 2:19:31.520 and before we played the game, we all chipped in 2:19:31.560 --> 2:19:34.240 and all the guys that Scout Team, guys that played, uh, 2:19:34.879 --> 2:19:38.119 Marshall fault, we gave him a little bonus. I love that. Yeah, 2:19:38.200 --> 2:19:41.600 that's how we were. That's what we did, man, because 2:19:41.680 --> 2:19:43.880 they was getting the ship kicked out of them all week. 2:19:44.120 --> 2:19:46.199 I'll tell you right now, I didn't give no bonuses 2:19:46.440 --> 2:19:49.680 when we play against a dB unit that was noturist, 2:19:49.680 --> 2:19:53.000 you know, for holding in Bill. He was literally light 2:19:53.160 --> 2:19:58.240 up the Scout Team guys off sides in us holding us, 2:19:59.240 --> 2:20:01.080 They're gonna fuck hold you in the game at him, 2:20:01.120 --> 2:20:02.160 and what are you gonna do about it? 2:20:02.200 --> 2:20:06.360 There? You know he do ship where he'd make make 2:20:06.440 --> 2:20:09.280 him hold us just to get us, you know, frustrated 2:20:09.400 --> 2:20:12.640 at practice because you know the team we were playing. 2:20:12.680 --> 2:20:14.440 I won't throw no teams under the bus. But you 2:20:14.480 --> 2:20:17.280 know who you are be holding the whole time, you 2:20:17.360 --> 2:20:20.400 know what I mean? So so it was ever a dB, 2:20:20.600 --> 2:20:22.920 Like who was the dB that you was? Like? God damn. 2:20:23.360 --> 2:20:26.279 So like just like you said with you said Jimmy Smith. 2:20:27.200 --> 2:20:30.879 It's crazy because Reeves was probably the best corner I 2:20:30.920 --> 2:20:33.280 played with. But one of the guys that I hated 2:20:33.320 --> 2:20:38.920 matching up against was Jimmy Smith of the Ravens. Wow, 2:20:39.160 --> 2:20:41.200 he was a big, long corner, but he could get 2:20:41.240 --> 2:20:43.000 in and out of breaks. And I remember we used 2:20:43.000 --> 2:20:45.720 to I was training at API over in l out 2:20:45.720 --> 2:20:48.360 here in l A. And I remember him coming out 2:20:48.680 --> 2:20:51.720 for the draft. I think he went to Colorado. He's 2:20:51.720 --> 2:20:54.680 a first round draft pick and this dude was big, 2:20:55.000 --> 2:20:58.200 and he remembered doing his cone drows, Like this guy's 2:20:58.240 --> 2:21:01.360 fucking fast, he's quaking getting out of breaks. And it 2:21:01.440 --> 2:21:03.160 was just we used to play them twice a year 2:21:03.200 --> 2:21:05.160 all the time, in the playoffs and regular season. He 2:21:05.280 --> 2:21:07.840 was just he knew how to use his hands, he 2:21:07.920 --> 2:21:10.440 knew how to play me. You know, I thought he 2:21:10.520 --> 2:21:14.000 was always he was very competitive, and then he got older, 2:21:14.040 --> 2:21:15.720 he lost the lots something. 2:21:15.600 --> 2:21:19.040 We all did. But right, yeah, but I that battle 2:21:19.120 --> 2:21:21.160 I just remember, because we played in so many important 2:21:21.160 --> 2:21:23.680 games against him, right right, right, Okay, I just always 2:21:23.680 --> 2:21:26.440 respected him. Yeah, that's what's up, Jackie went. The legacy 2:21:26.440 --> 2:21:28.480 of this game. The legacy of this game. 2:21:28.760 --> 2:21:32.160 The Patriots beat Peyton Manning once again, go on to 2:21:32.200 --> 2:21:35.840 win Super Bowl against the Panthers and keep the streak rolling. 2:21:36.120 --> 2:21:39.080 If you remember, they won twenty one straight games from 2:21:39.080 --> 2:21:41.760 week five of three all the way to week eight 2:21:41.840 --> 2:21:44.560 of four when it came to an end against the Steelers. 2:21:44.920 --> 2:21:48.040 That's why I broke my foot. Damn, my friend, that's 2:21:48.040 --> 2:21:51.600 why they won it. Jones Straccher, huh fifth MINUATERSA No. 2:21:51.760 --> 2:21:54.280 I had a list, Frank, list Frank. I had a list, Frank. 2:21:54.640 --> 2:21:58.640 So that's why the tables turned right there. So hey, hey, 2:21:58.959 --> 2:22:01.320 my bad fellas Man because and then at the time, 2:22:01.760 --> 2:22:04.160 you know, it was because of my assignment. You know, 2:22:04.640 --> 2:22:07.000 I had Hines wherever and if you could see before 2:22:07.040 --> 2:22:09.560 I got you know, I broke my foot that game. 2:22:10.000 --> 2:22:12.520 You know, we I mean we we we had stuff 2:22:12.560 --> 2:22:14.480 under control, you know what I mean. It was about 2:22:14.520 --> 2:22:16.160 to be a rap. But then you have to change. 2:22:16.440 --> 2:22:18.360 And like I said, Sante came in and went on 2:22:18.480 --> 2:22:20.080 to have a hell of a career. You know what 2:22:20.080 --> 2:22:22.760 I mean. You can argue, oh whoa you said, Sante? 2:22:22.920 --> 2:22:26.280 How come with Sante hates Bill so much? Man? I 2:22:26.280 --> 2:22:28.840 don't know, man, because like I said's little brother man. 2:22:28.879 --> 2:22:32.280 And I think it started stilling with no, no, it's 2:22:32.320 --> 2:22:34.720 been I think it started with the contract stuff. So 2:22:35.160 --> 2:22:39.760 I think felt disrespected, you know, especially when I was gone. 2:22:40.080 --> 2:22:42.800 He was up next to get his contract and I 2:22:43.040 --> 2:22:46.080 and I think he felt like he's proven himself, which 2:22:46.120 --> 2:22:48.080 he did. You know, you look at the numbers, you 2:22:48.080 --> 2:22:49.720 know he put he put it out there, you know 2:22:49.760 --> 2:22:52.000 what I mean. Sante Samuel got some damn numbers. You 2:22:52.040 --> 2:22:53.800 know what I mean. He can play, So he was 2:22:53.840 --> 2:22:56.000 the next He was the next guy up. You know, 2:22:56.160 --> 2:22:58.760 they released me after I broke my foot because I 2:22:58.760 --> 2:23:02.400 had this huge cap number, so I got released. Sante 2:23:02.680 --> 2:23:05.240 he stepped into that role, got stup bowl. Then guess 2:23:05.280 --> 2:23:08.520 what he's sitting there making plays. So when they didn't 2:23:08.520 --> 2:23:11.200 give him a long term contract and enfranchised him, all 2:23:11.240 --> 2:23:13.640 that it played on him because man, he wanted to 2:23:13.640 --> 2:23:16.760 be appreciated for what he's done. If you're not letting 2:23:16.840 --> 2:23:18.600 go and get some money, and that's didn't happen. So 2:23:19.160 --> 2:23:22.920 he went out there balled out, and I think that 2:23:23.160 --> 2:23:26.560 Sante has never forgotten what he went through to get 2:23:26.600 --> 2:23:28.640 to where he was at ended up going to get 2:23:28.720 --> 2:23:32.160 you know, his money, you know, elsewhere in Philadelphia and Atlanta, 2:23:32.520 --> 2:23:35.280 continued to make plays. So you know, much respect to 2:23:35.480 --> 2:23:37.680 you know, little brother, you know what I mean. But 2:23:38.040 --> 2:23:43.160 I think his dislike towards Belichick stemmed from him not 2:23:43.160 --> 2:23:45.119 giving him his money and not giving him the respect 2:23:45.120 --> 2:23:48.959 that you know, he thought he deserved or rightfully deserved. 2:23:49.120 --> 2:23:51.880 You would have made that Picktown in Super Bowl. You 2:23:51.879 --> 2:23:52.880 would have made that pick thown. 2:23:53.000 --> 2:23:59.600 Oh hell yeah, hey, but you know what he got plenty. 2:23:59.640 --> 2:24:02.879 I mean that was he was. He was a ball hog. 2:24:03.600 --> 2:24:05.959 He was a guy. He's always around the ball. The 2:24:05.959 --> 2:24:07.480 ball found him and the one thing that he can 2:24:07.560 --> 2:24:09.200 do is catch the ball, you know what I mean. 2:24:09.240 --> 2:24:11.360 And of course we all like, I think I would 2:24:11.360 --> 2:24:13.800 have really secured the m v P. But guess what, 2:24:14.000 --> 2:24:17.480 it just wasn't magnified like a Sciantas. He figured it's over. 2:24:17.920 --> 2:24:20.720 I dropped a pick in the Super Bowl that it 2:24:20.760 --> 2:24:23.360 would have really iced everything. I dropped it right in 2:24:23.400 --> 2:24:25.480 my hands. Everybody, look at the one that I caught. 2:24:25.640 --> 2:24:27.280 You see you know, hand up and there you see 2:24:27.280 --> 2:24:29.560 that one. It's another one that I should have caught, 2:24:29.560 --> 2:24:31.520 but I got blinded by the lights and all that, 2:24:31.560 --> 2:24:34.320 and I just know I dropped that ship. I'm like, God, 2:24:34.400 --> 2:24:35.920 damn it, I dropped that in the m v P 2:24:36.040 --> 2:24:38.160 with it, because now I had two picks. They were 2:24:38.200 --> 2:24:40.120 down in the reds on the bout to score, and 2:24:40.160 --> 2:24:42.520 they ended up they ended up scoring. But it was 2:24:42.560 --> 2:24:44.600 a pick that I would pick off any day of 2:24:44.640 --> 2:24:49.040 the week, and and I dropped it one. Yeah, I 2:24:49.680 --> 2:24:51.120 made the big one. But that's what that would have 2:24:51.280 --> 2:24:52.960 iced the game right there, because they would stop they 2:24:53.000 --> 2:24:55.120 score driving. I mean, you know what it is. That 2:24:55.240 --> 2:24:57.240 was like I was coming over, I was covering Isaac 2:24:57.320 --> 2:25:01.400 like ship. Sometimes it's too good to be true. Yep, 2:25:01.760 --> 2:25:03.760 did we miss anything to the other big We talked 2:25:03.800 --> 2:25:06.720 about this earlier, but of course after this game, the 2:25:06.760 --> 2:25:09.560 tie law rule was enacted, changing the NFL as we. 2:25:09.520 --> 2:25:14.160 Know it today for the worst, for the worst pro offense. 2:25:14.760 --> 2:25:18.560 We're turning into basketball here. I mean, that's another big 2:25:18.600 --> 2:25:19.480 takeaway from this game. 2:25:19.520 --> 2:25:27.360 But the tie law rule. Yeah, mine got one too. Yeah, 2:25:27.400 --> 2:25:31.160 the spotter rule. Remember when I got blown up by 2:25:31.200 --> 2:25:36.440 Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl, and uh well ever 2:25:36.480 --> 2:25:39.320 since then because I was staggered getting up, I still 2:25:39.360 --> 2:25:42.520 played now that they put in the spotter rule because 2:25:42.560 --> 2:25:45.480 of that, because now they'll pull you if they think 2:25:45.520 --> 2:25:50.879 you got a concussion. Wow damn. Yeah, yeah, that's better 2:25:50.920 --> 2:25:52.440 than that one. Hey. 2:25:52.440 --> 2:25:55.120 And of course this game and a whole slew of 2:25:55.120 --> 2:25:58.199 other great games led to Tie getting in the NFL 2:25:58.240 --> 2:25:59.960 Hall of Fame in twenty ninth. 2:26:00.080 --> 2:26:05.880 Seen. Hell yeah, appreciate it, man, thank you, yeah, thank you. 2:26:06.320 --> 2:26:08.680 What is the coolest Hall of Fame perk that people 2:26:08.720 --> 2:26:09.200 might not know? 2:26:09.760 --> 2:26:11.600 You know what we used to be able to get. 2:26:12.240 --> 2:26:14.000 I don't know if they still got it, but we 2:26:14.120 --> 2:26:16.280 used to. We have something that we can go to 2:26:16.320 --> 2:26:19.000 any NFL game. So all you got to do is 2:26:19.200 --> 2:26:21.480 to make the call ahead of time, and you and 2:26:21.959 --> 2:26:25.480 a guest can go to any NFL game. We're talking box, 2:26:25.520 --> 2:26:27.760 are we talking? You know, like on the field before 2:26:27.760 --> 2:26:29.800 the game, because you got your Hall of Fame credential 2:26:29.879 --> 2:26:33.360 and you can go to anything outside of the Super Bowl. 2:26:33.640 --> 2:26:35.440 Now that sh it don't work there, so they get 2:26:37.200 --> 2:26:38.680 all of you just walk there. But I think they 2:26:38.760 --> 2:26:41.280 give you up to like five or six games anytime 2:26:41.360 --> 2:26:42.680 you want to go to and you just got to 2:26:42.760 --> 2:26:44.440 you gotta call ahead of time, you know what I mean, 2:26:44.680 --> 2:26:46.680 Like the regular seasons. If I'm out here, like I 2:26:47.280 --> 2:26:49.200 took advantage of it, you know here before to go 2:26:49.640 --> 2:26:53.000 see a game, you know what I mean, go do 2:26:53.080 --> 2:26:56.320 that and then we have a lifetime you know thing 2:26:56.360 --> 2:26:59.119 with top Golf, so you know, you know, I think 2:26:59.120 --> 2:27:00.720 we go get our first round or something like that, 2:27:01.000 --> 2:27:01.680 you know, for. 2:27:02.520 --> 2:27:03.440 We're gonna start them. 2:27:05.320 --> 2:27:08.840 Yeah, damn it, I'm coming to you. I'm the official 2:27:08.920 --> 2:27:11.560 Voka the Hall of Fame to y'all giving us all 2:27:11.600 --> 2:27:16.520 these perks. Yeah, have you been that one over there? Man? 2:27:16.600 --> 2:27:19.520 I haven't Okay, No, I ain't been over there by 2:27:19.560 --> 2:27:21.040 the airport or that area. 2:27:21.120 --> 2:27:21.280 Yeah. 2:27:21.320 --> 2:27:23.800 Yeah, look like I'm like ten minutes from I haven't 2:27:23.800 --> 2:27:27.080 been there yet. Yeah. We got to name the game type. 2:27:28.360 --> 2:27:31.800 We got the tie Law game, the Peyton Pickoff game, 2:27:32.400 --> 2:27:35.440 that ty Law Rule game, or do you have any 2:27:35.760 --> 2:27:38.280 other suggestions for what the name of the game could 2:27:38.280 --> 2:27:42.680 be or you could pick one of these hmmm. I like, 2:27:42.840 --> 2:27:45.560 you know, Chris Berman coined something for me, man, and 2:27:45.560 --> 2:27:47.880 that and that's special to me because it was the 2:27:47.879 --> 2:27:51.320 great Chris Berman. You know, you would always do this 2:27:51.520 --> 2:27:53.560 talk about I fought the law and the Law won. 2:27:54.200 --> 2:27:56.720 You know, I didn't know what it was, like, Oh 2:27:56.760 --> 2:27:58.600 that's cool when I found out it was a damn song, 2:27:59.320 --> 2:28:02.600 you know if the law and you know, yeah, I 2:28:02.600 --> 2:28:07.640 mean it's cool. It ain't like my music, but hey, 2:28:07.720 --> 2:28:10.360 I like that, man. So I mean I thought the 2:28:10.480 --> 2:28:15.520 Law and the Law one. Yeah, so shout out shout 2:28:15.520 --> 2:28:18.560 out to Chris Burban man for man. 2:28:19.600 --> 2:28:23.440 Yeah, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game 2:28:23.520 --> 2:28:29.800 of all time? Let's score its stakes? Zero to ten decimals? O, K, 2:28:30.720 --> 2:28:31.760 what are the stakes? 2:28:32.080 --> 2:28:34.240 And this is we're talking about the MC Championship. 2:28:35.720 --> 2:28:38.720 You We've had Brandy Chestain to talk about a championship, 2:28:38.720 --> 2:28:42.720 World Cup game. You've had World Series, comebacks of Pro Bowl, 2:28:43.680 --> 2:28:45.920 a Pro Bowl stakes zero. 2:28:46.000 --> 2:28:48.720 So a super Bowl? Is this the greatest game of 2:28:48.760 --> 2:28:51.200 all time? I would think, you know, for me, I 2:28:51.200 --> 2:28:54.520 would say the second. I would say the second because 2:28:54.920 --> 2:28:57.879 the Super Bowl, you're the only game in town, and 2:28:58.040 --> 2:28:59.959 you know, being fortunate enough to be on the other 2:29:00.200 --> 2:29:04.800 side of a play that everyone's remember, I would got 2:29:04.800 --> 2:29:06.960 to say that because you got to close it out. 2:29:07.120 --> 2:29:09.160 There's one thing of getting there, but there's another thing 2:29:09.160 --> 2:29:10.600 of getting there and closing out. So I would say 2:29:10.640 --> 2:29:13.480 that was the second greatest uh you know game for me, 2:29:14.040 --> 2:29:18.360 star power wise zero to ten. You gotta score it. 2:29:18.520 --> 2:29:23.280 Oh you gotta score it. Oh score it. That's a 2:29:23.360 --> 2:29:26.920 that's a that's a ten. 2:29:28.160 --> 2:29:31.320 Yeah yeah yeah, what's hell? 2:29:31.440 --> 2:29:34.440 Yeah? Star power? What do you mean by that? Give 2:29:34.480 --> 2:29:35.039 me a. 2:29:34.879 --> 2:29:39.679 Players players star power? 2:29:40.200 --> 2:29:42.920 You know, think about it. We had the two that's 2:29:42.920 --> 2:29:47.360 a ten too. Ever, that's the two greatest quarterbacks you know, 2:29:47.480 --> 2:29:50.120 of the time, and now one is the greatest ever 2:29:50.200 --> 2:29:52.160 and the other one you know, he's top five, you know, 2:29:52.240 --> 2:29:54.400 I mean, can't beat that. How many Hall of famers 2:29:54.400 --> 2:29:58.480 now including you know, like I said self, Seymour, Tom Brady, 2:29:58.640 --> 2:30:02.880 man Ship, Oh we got nine between those two teams. 2:30:02.920 --> 2:30:05.040 It's going to be about eight nine of us. So yeah, absolutely. 2:30:06.320 --> 2:30:09.480 Gameplay, like, how was the gameplay of the game? You 2:30:09.520 --> 2:30:13.000 know what, back and forth, defensive battles. 2:30:12.600 --> 2:30:14.560 Those five field goals in the safety, you know. 2:30:14.560 --> 2:30:18.520 What as a defensive player, I would have to put 2:30:18.560 --> 2:30:21.640 that up and say that was I would say that 2:30:21.680 --> 2:30:23.760 was That's a hard nine. You know, that's a hard nine. 2:30:23.800 --> 2:30:26.680 That's a hard nine because you know, you want the 2:30:26.720 --> 2:30:28.640 game to come down to that. You know, with all 2:30:28.680 --> 2:30:30.720 this scoring and all this offense and all that, this 2:30:30.840 --> 2:30:34.200 is how the game is. You know, defense wins championships 2:30:34.400 --> 2:30:36.560 and that's why we got there. So I would say 2:30:36.560 --> 2:30:38.640 that's a hard nine because I don't I would say 2:30:38.640 --> 2:30:41.360 a teen. But you got to give you know, the 2:30:41.440 --> 2:30:44.920 other guys some credit, so you know, hard integrity right there. 2:30:45.040 --> 2:30:48.280 What's the name of the game? Score the name though, 2:30:48.440 --> 2:30:51.000 I fought the law and the law one game. Yeah, 2:30:51.000 --> 2:30:52.959 I like that one because that one in three picks, man, 2:30:52.959 --> 2:30:57.680 they fought me to score the name ten that I 2:30:57.720 --> 2:30:59.560 fought the law and the law one. That is, that's 2:30:59.600 --> 2:31:05.199 all I got a song, that's right, baby, Nine point 2:31:05.360 --> 2:31:07.560 seventy five. Let's see where it ranks in the games 2:31:07.560 --> 2:31:10.160 that we've done tied thus far. That is a very 2:31:10.200 --> 2:31:16.520 high you right, number two? Yeah. AFC Championship game superne 2:31:17.160 --> 2:31:20.080 Patriots versus Chiefs. So what they got us at? I 2:31:20.120 --> 2:31:22.360 can't see it? Where where we at? You're right, you're 2:31:22.360 --> 2:31:24.880 in between, yeah, and where else? Jackie. 2:31:24.959 --> 2:31:27.720 Game six to the twenty eleven NBA Finals, Maverick versus 2:31:27.720 --> 2:31:30.000 heat Mark Cuban came in and it was just kind 2:31:30.000 --> 2:31:32.760 of a little wild. So that one's high Mark. 2:31:32.600 --> 2:31:34.400 Cuban gave it all tens. I think, oh. 2:31:34.320 --> 2:31:36.760 Yeah, but it's above the Giants and Patriots super Bowl 2:31:36.800 --> 2:31:41.800 eighteen to one game. It's above the Alcs, two thousand, Yankees, 2:31:41.840 --> 2:31:44.440 Red Sox. That's a that's our second overall. 2:31:44.920 --> 2:31:47.080 Yeah. I'm just saying, but you think about it, man, 2:31:47.280 --> 2:31:50.160 that that magital to that game, you know, and the 2:31:50.240 --> 2:31:54.240 star power I mean, just the anticipation, the weather. I mean, 2:31:54.360 --> 2:31:57.120 that was that was how football is posedbly Man, we're 2:31:57.120 --> 2:32:00.000 talking about it twenty years later, literally twenty years later, 2:32:00.080 --> 2:32:03.120 we're talking about it. Ty, we miss anything about this game? 2:32:03.560 --> 2:32:06.400 No we did. I think, uh, we got we we 2:32:06.720 --> 2:32:09.360 got everything covered right there. We get we get, we 2:32:09.400 --> 2:32:11.520 covered everything, you know what I mean? Because I was like, 2:32:11.920 --> 2:32:13.640 I can't get no, you can't get no better than that. 2:32:13.760 --> 2:32:17.080 And and just before we get off and go, I 2:32:17.600 --> 2:32:23.720 believe it is corvs. Yeah, yeah, you know, we don't. 2:32:23.760 --> 2:32:26.360 We don't ran the gauntlet. So we're gonna what y'all want, 2:32:26.360 --> 2:32:29.920 tropical pure grilled pineapple. I like the grind. 2:32:30.040 --> 2:32:31.320 I love the grilled pineapple. 2:32:31.480 --> 2:32:37.280 I feel like I taste the flame grilled. Yeah. Absolutely, Hey, 2:32:37.680 --> 2:32:39.840 he shout out to man that my guys up there 2:32:39.959 --> 2:32:45.039 one team grill man. Hey, hey, they huge support. Ryan Dion, 2:32:45.720 --> 2:32:48.680 Hey Cam Hey, y'all wouldn't be here without you man, 2:32:48.720 --> 2:32:54.080 so appreciate that legal seafoods there. Thank you, Ty. 2:32:54.360 --> 2:32:55.199 Awesome episode. 2:32:55.240 --> 2:32:59.080 This is amazing, awesome, Thank you Corvis Vodka. 2:32:59.400 --> 2:33:10.039 Let's go, oh thank you. Insane man tak got me hammered, gosh. 2:33:10.680 --> 2:33:12.400 Home this episode, thot. 2:33:13.120 --> 2:33:17.080 Yeah, it's good though, I mean Corvs Vodka. 2:33:16.280 --> 2:33:19.760 Grill up that. Everybody's got a pineapple, everybody's got a citrus, 2:33:20.040 --> 2:33:21.000 No one's got a grilled. 2:33:21.120 --> 2:33:24.680 No one has a grilled pineapple. I tasted the grill marks. 2:33:26.640 --> 2:33:29.440 So you said that I was thinking it. Yeah, I 2:33:29.480 --> 2:33:31.960 tasted it. It's true. You can taste it. 2:33:32.080 --> 2:33:36.960 Little Smoke available online now at Corvis Vodka dot com. 2:33:37.000 --> 2:33:45.080 Go check it out, New England, Faithful Patch Nation, but everyone, 2:33:46.080 --> 2:33:47.520 everyone go check it out and. 2:33:47.520 --> 2:33:49.320 A portion of every sale goes to the Pro Football 2:33:49.320 --> 2:33:52.199 Hall of Fame Player Assistance Fun, which is cool. 2:33:52.360 --> 2:33:55.400 Great cause take care of the old guys guys that 2:33:55.480 --> 2:33:59.080 built this league. It built it. But man, what by brick? 2:33:59.440 --> 2:34:01.840 What are an apple? So that was fiftieth game? 2:34:02.520 --> 2:34:06.119 How apropos for our fiftieth That we we went wild apropos. 2:34:06.800 --> 2:34:09.720 Yeah, baby fifties instantly comes to your mind. 2:34:09.720 --> 2:34:14.560 Mike Rabel, Mike Redmankovich, Roman, zachar Oh Oh, David Robinson, 2:34:14.560 --> 2:34:15.000 the Admiral. 2:34:16.360 --> 2:34:18.800 Good fifties out there, some good fifties. 2:34:18.440 --> 2:34:21.440 Zach Randolph Zebo earlier on the Grizzlies, some. 2:34:21.360 --> 2:34:24.240 Guys who else there's like a there's another fifty out there. 2:34:25.160 --> 2:34:28.480 And also all you hotline callers. We uh, we were 2:34:28.480 --> 2:34:30.160 planning on doing it for this episode, but it went long, 2:34:30.240 --> 2:34:33.720 and you know, I'd rather have Tylot talk to Steve 2:34:33.800 --> 2:34:34.440 from Canton. 2:34:34.560 --> 2:34:39.959 So we'll bump in next and he's got some hot 2:34:40.160 --> 2:34:45.520 Steve is from Canton. He's definitely talking town Spa, some 2:34:45.600 --> 2:34:48.840 fucking bo pizza. I know it's in Stoton, Sam, but 2:34:48.920 --> 2:34:51.480 if you live in the line right next to Stoton, 2:34:51.560 --> 2:34:53.320 you go to goddamn town Spa. 2:34:54.280 --> 2:34:58.200 Well, what an interview. Thanks again to ty Law. That's 2:34:58.240 --> 2:35:02.360 been another episode. Games with Names tune in next week. 2:35:02.879 --> 2:35:07.879 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. 2:35:08.440 --> 2:35:11.200 Come in a game you want us to do and remember, 2:35:11.560 --> 2:35:16.160 rate and review. Remember to follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, 2:35:16.360 --> 2:35:19.200 x TikTok and snap Chat, leave a message on the 2:35:19.240 --> 2:35:24.360 hotline at four two four two nine one two two 2:35:24.520 --> 2:35:25.240 nine zero. 2:35:26.360 --> 2:35:30.600 See you guys next week. Later games with names of 2:35:30.680 --> 2:35:35.360 production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit 2:35:35.400 --> 2:35:42.080 the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.