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Speaker 2: You're drinking Tom had exactly I had chisel jaw, avocado

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Speaker 2: Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship

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Speaker 1: You fought the law and the law won. This is

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Speaker 1: against our rivals in Peyton Manning. You are one of.

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Speaker 2: The greatest past defenders I've ever watched. Could you have

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Speaker 1: I would adapt. I'll say if I played the way

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna get fine on everything we would have fought. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we would have been fined. But guess what, we've been

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Speaker 2: Your years that you played. Picked off Dan Marino, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly. My

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Speaker 1: longest interception was off Tom though. That picks it. What's

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Speaker 1: your best Bill Belichick story? You want me give you

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Speaker 1: one more? That's your in my contract? Shot up? Oh?

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Speaker 1: God damn it. Shot o'clock, Shot o'clock. I mean we're

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Speaker 2: You gotta get a little toasty.

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Speaker 1: So let's go to Bill's ass. Right.

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Speaker 2: So, Games with Names is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names. This is our fiftieth game,

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Speaker 2: the Big five.

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Speaker 1: Oh what a game for fifty two.

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Speaker 3: We made it guys, fifty two, we made it fifty

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Speaker 3: also fifty as well.

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Speaker 1: We lost fifty two. Oh fuck yeah.

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Speaker 2: But thank you guys for watching and support and it's

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Speaker 2: been so fun awesome. It's been awesome to hear read

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Speaker 2: the comments on all the platforms. Uh, listening to the voicemails.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty it's pretty fun to still be connected with,

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Speaker 4: It's it's been great and you can't wait to see

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Speaker 1: To live show.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna pack it out. What we do that chromeo,

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Speaker 4: What can we doing today?

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Speaker 2: Today's game is the two thousand and three AFC Championship game, with.

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Speaker 1: The Colts traveling in to old Foxborough, snowy fox Burrow

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Speaker 4: Braik, Tom motherfucking Brady.

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Speaker 3: If you can tell the first episode that we let

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Speaker 4: We might have to do games with names after dark.

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Speaker 4: Get an alcohol sponsor, start.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a great episode. I can't wait. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, Hell yeah, let's go. January eighteen, two thousand

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Speaker 1: We have Ty Law in the studio. Welcome to Games Names,

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Speaker 1: but oh man thank you, thank you for having me. Man. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Now, why'd you pick this game? Why do you like

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Speaker 1: your sister. I mean, just anything. But that's how he motivated,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and like I said,

431
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 1: he would just touch that line and back up off

432
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. Rabel was the

433
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: guy that passing out the damn drinks before practice. Cold

434
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: as hell. We used to have to drive, see Jude,

435
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: you you came in when the when the house was built,

436
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: we had to drive the practice. Man. We in there

437
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of like a little bunch of Pop Warner

438
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: kids would show the paths and hammels and benzes and

439
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: ship going to practice. You know, everybody got their little

440
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: Rabel got the flask over. Everybody go take uswigs next thing.

441
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: You know, everybody keeping something in the car. So we

442
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: out there as cold as hell. Cold cold sounds like

443
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: you today. Oh yeah, Mike Rabel, thanks man, you know

444
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: you inspire me. Oh my gosh. I used to be

445
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: in that training room and oh, Jimmy Whalen used to

446
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: tell us all the stories. The stories he tell us,

447
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: the Rabel stories.

448
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: He'd say, Tyla would come in on a Monday, he'd

449
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 2: go jog the dunkin Donuts, grab his coffee, and then

450
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: jogged back.

451
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: Is that true? What's that story all about? He got

452
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: it a little wrong, But I know he got it

453
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I ain't jogging the damn dunkin Donuts

454
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: and jog back with a coffee. I used to come

455
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: in every morning to jog. I'll do five miles period,

456
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I did that every

457
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, people would come in. I'm already

458
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: seeing me on the highway, even if it's snowing. I'm

459
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm jogging. I'm trying to get it in because you

460
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Speaker 1: know my job. We gave this like the cover two shell, right.

461
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: But Bill always say you on your own, so we'd

462
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: roll the coverages as we give a look. But I

463
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: was always, you know, basically man or zone playing man,

464
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just had to

465
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Speaker 1: keep myself in that type of shape. And I was

466
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: always one of those guys that can get a little

467
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Speaker 1: fick shell shit. I gotta I gotta keep on I

468
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: gotta keep on running. So I did that every day,

469
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Speaker 1: and then on Thursdays, I ran the whole stadium. So

470
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Speaker 1: I would do that before practice, sure before before, I

471
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Speaker 1: do that before meetings. I'm already lathered up before meetings.

472
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Some people come in and get a little lift in,

473
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Speaker 1: get breakfast before meetings, or do it in between. I

474
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: came in at six thirty in the morning every day,

475
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking about legit, you know, four

476
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: to five miles, and it was like it's four and

477
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: a half miles. I did with my car, same route

478
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: up and down, and Thursdays, hit the whole state, in

479
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: the whole bottom row. You got to hit every step,

480
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: do the whole run. But Friday, massage, Saturday nothing, game time. Sunday, fucking.

481
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Speaker 3: We had Ernie on, Ernie Adams on. Oh just the

482
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 3: other day he was saying that Rabes used to wreck

483
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Speaker 3: scout team practice because he'd like be out there calling

484
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 3: out exactly what they're gonna do.

485
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Rabel was gravy. That's why he's such a

486
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: good coach, you know what I mean. So, I mean,

487
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: it's the scout team and they're trying to work on something,

488
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: and that's just Ray being Raye, you know, calling it out,

489
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, just letting the offense know that I know

490
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: what you're about to do, you know what I mean?

491
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell my boys. But he was always

492
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: coaching out there. But even out on the field, you know,

493
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: Rabo was a coach. Bruski was that quarterback man. It's

494
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: like I always tell people I would I wouldn't be

495
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: where I am today as a as a Hall of

496
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Famer without that. Damn Teddy Bruski. No why, I ain't

497
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on. I'm like, who

498
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: I got? Give me him? Brusk be like, hey, Ti,

499
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: you got anymore? We're doing this because I would never

500
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: come into the huddle. So if you watch the you know,

501
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: old films, you will never see me going in the

502
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: huddle and everybody run back to her. Damn it I'm

503
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: too tired. I just ran you know, nine nine nine

504
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: routes because if you're playing bump and run, people would

505
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: always just run you off, you know. Man, So I

506
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: was fade fade. I get so many of them a game,

507
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I'll cut the route off and it

508
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: converts to a fade. So Bruski would I would look,

509
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: He'll tell me you got this, you got this. If

510
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I go like this to brew when

511
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: did I'm tired? He'll call the cover too, just to

512
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: give me a break. And he come back to the

513
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: sideline romos to get on him. Bru What the fuck

514
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: was that? He like, fucking tie was tired, you know,

515
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: and he said it's it's on me, And so I

516
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: was like, thank you, Bruce. You know. So there we

517
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: had that kind of thing where he'll just know, you know,

518
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: if I was blue out, and he'll sit there and

519
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: just do that just to give me a break.

520
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: What a what a guy who's the hardest working guy

521
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: in the defense or is one of those things because

522
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: it was always the saying around the building, and it

523
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: was developed with you guys, is the more you can do.

524
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And it was we all competed. So to

525
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: say who was the hardest worker, you know, I would

526
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: say I was the hardest worker. I think Rodney would

527
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: say he was the hardest worker, Willy, because we even competed.

528
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: Drinking water, man, you had to have a gallon of water.

529
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: And if somebody like Willy, because you know, Willy like

530
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: I'm gaining on you, Rodney Harrison, I'm gaining on you

531
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Speaker 1: taking a sip, stay hydrated. So we do stupid shit

532
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: like that just to compete with one another. So you know,

533
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: we run in the scout team. Have you when you

534
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: came when the scout team is on, we never sat down.

535
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: And just that started with myself, Odi Smith. We started

536
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: that and then next thing, you know, here come the

537
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: rest of the defense. We used to do it because

538
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: we were always telling you we took everything as man coverage.

539
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: We had to run with these guys. I wasn't the

540
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: fastest gull on the block, but I can they run

541
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: the same thing for four quarters. So next thing you know,

542
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: you see the offensive line doing it. Now, Hey Tom,

543
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. You know what I mean. But it started,

544
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, right there. So that's why no one ever

545
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: sat down, And we were like I'm gaining on you.

546
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: If you're not doing that, you got to be doing

547
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: push ups or some shit sitting there. Hey, Jules, I'm

548
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: gaining on you. So guess what you got to drop

549
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: down to do push ups? That's just what it was.

550
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: Is that the mentality that's missing with the Patriots right now?

551
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Damn right? Who was there to lead them? Who's there

552
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: to show them? Who was there that had the experience?

553
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: And then now when you're talking about you know, the

554
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: great you know, Matthew Slater, moving on, who's who's left now?

555
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: You know you were gone the day exactly. So I mean,

556
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: are they that are that? Are they that vocal? I

557
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: mean when you do you really look at you know,

558
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: you got to have a dominant personality. You gotta have

559
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: to respect amongst the peers. So I think we had

560
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: so many players as time went on that stayed on

561
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: to be able to help you guys, you know what

562
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean. And then you picked up and you be

563
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: able to help some of the young guys and they're

564
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: going there. But now it's like no one else is there.

565
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: And then when you got Tom Brady is there for

566
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: twenty years. This is the goddamn standard. So It's always

567
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: good when you got your best player, your most popular

568
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: but most respected player, you know, set in a standard,

569
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: working hard, there's no excuses. You know. Tom Brady was

570
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: a goddamn worker. He was a worker. You know, we

571
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: experienced a different Tom. You know, I came in. He

572
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: had three Super Bowls, you know, the supermodel wife, right,

573
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: he was in the the high of the high. You know,

574
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: I never got to see him.

575
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: As one of the boys, you know, so, but he

576
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: was still practicing with the purpose. He would still fly

577
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: out the coach in November that would work on his

578
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: little dumb fundamental drills that like this dude's already a

579
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: twelve year pro. Still is flying out a guy to

580
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: work on his technique, you know, halfway through the season.

581
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's crazy. He was definitely the constant.

582
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: And that's what I think the Patriots are missing, you know,

583
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: they your best players have to be your hardest workers. Absolutely,

584
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: And I learned that when I walked in the door

585
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: with Teddy Brewski and Kevin Falk and Troy Brown was

586
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: always around and then watching the old.

587
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: Film of you guys. I didn't know about it.

588
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: Really, I was a Barry kid, a West Coast kid,

589
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: and I was introduced to it, and I saw by example,

590
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: you know, Teddy Bruski, Kevin Falk, first ones in last

591
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: one's leave, you know, challenging each other at all times,

592
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: practicing hard, doing special teams in there in like their

593
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: fifteenth years, right, you know, I think that mentality has

594
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: definitely been lost.

595
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's even like, you know, the team, what

596
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: we did was important that we started making it a habit.

597
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys did. You probably did.

598
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: But when you look at the team now, you wonder

599
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and do they take the team dinners? Do they go

600
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: out you know together, Do y'all take the wide receivers

601
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: out and make the rookies or the young guys pay

602
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: for it? You know what I mean. It's like we

603
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: did stuff like that, and it was team building, so

604
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: we just didn't have to see each other, you know,

605
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: on the field. We understand that it is work. We

606
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: got families, but we made a conscious effort to do

607
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: stuff not only as a dB group, but we did

608
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: stuff as a team. And that's when we started winning.

609
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: We started seeing things change around. That's what became a

610
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: Patriot wave. Even though like the coaches get credit in

611
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Belichick and Scott them bullshit patriotat started in that locker room. Well,

612
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: I always explained like this, well, first off, in twenty

613
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: twenty four, that's called bullying. First off, And.

614
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: I go, you know, Bill was Congress right, he made

615
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: the fucking law. But the leaders on the team, we

616
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: were the sheriffs out there and we were fucking patrolling it.

617
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't coaches saying shit. It was the guys that

618
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: were making people accountable because everyone was so embarrassed if

619
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: they did something wrong and you were put on that

620
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: Bill low light, you know, because in front of the

621
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: whole team, not just your unit, not just in the

622
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: receiver room, in front.

623
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Of the whole team.

624
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: So when you're walking down the goddamn hallway, you got

625
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: a defensive guy coming up to you saying you're gonna

626
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: drop that wide route?

627
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

628
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: And that's something that was developed the toughness that I

629
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: think that they've been like they've been lacking. What's your

630
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: best Bill Belichick story?

631
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: All right? Look, okay, okay, well you know what all right?

632
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Look all right, So it was a situation where you know,

633
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: I was going through you know, some contract, you know,

634
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: some contract stuff before and Bill was like, hey, we

635
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: need to restructure your contract. And I was like, well,

636
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: it was just gonna be like an extension, you know

637
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, you just save some some cap space

638
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I was like, you know, okay. But

639
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: after we got it all down, I'm like, man, so

640
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: that's a fucking paint cut. No, ain't saving me no money.

641
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't even got to send my agent this ship,

642
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. But then we

643
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: went through it, and then so he hits me and

644
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: it was a good friend uh you know, on the team.

645
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: I ain't say no names. I can't put it out

646
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: there like that. And he was like, hey, look if

647
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: you don't restructure this, man, we're gonna we have to

648
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: cut your boy. I was like, well, I guess you

649
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: cut ass. I ain't giving your ship, you know. I'm

650
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I guess I guess I go tell

651
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: my boy that, hey, brou hey, man, get your nick

652
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: something like that, you know what I mean. But like

653
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: I said, we were well, you know, but that's Bill

654
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: being Bill and out there. So we ended up, uh,

655
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: we end up working out our restructure. I said, Look,

656
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't care about it as long as I'm getting paid.

657
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: The same thing is because I didn't call in and

658
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: try to get no more money. And even though a

659
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: lot of stuff got blown out of proportion, we worked

660
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: it out. I restructured my contract. My dog was still there,

661
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and you know, we move on.

662
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: But all we had to do was just we didn't

663
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: even have to go through all that, Oh Bill, you know,

664
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: you know they try to do that and test your lot.

665
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Coach par Sales tried me when I was a rookie,

666
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: but I, like I like to say, I'm a little

667
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: bit of a different breed. I got a mind of

668
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: my own. So now they came in and put me

669
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: at the end Zone. The end Zone was even better,

670
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: but it was still shitty when you was there, right

671
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: the End Zone Hotel. I lived there for a couple

672
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: of months, but when I came for my visit was myself,

673
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin. They ended up drapping both of us. You

674
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: know how you just go on the business they want

675
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: to talk to your interview and stuff like that. So

676
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: Coach par Sales brought me into the office and say, look,

677
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: hey man, we like you, but we don't like who

678
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: you got representing. You. He'sy you know those uh, those

679
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: posting brothers. Man. He said, I can't draft you with that.

680
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there myself. You know, people had me

681
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: traject to go to the Detroit Lions at at number

682
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I think they had the twenty first pick of the draft.

683
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting like, you know what, after what I've

684
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: seen looking at Foxboro Stadium and seeing all these trailer

685
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: parks up here, and sh I'm like, man, okay, that

686
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: made me keep my agent even more because I ain't

687
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: man y'all. You couldn't even put me in a Marriotte.

688
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: You couldn't put me. You know, I'm thinking, I'm about

689
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: to go to the league, you know, rich, get some

690
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: room service and some ship like that. Man, bruh. I

691
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: was not trying to come to the win just because

692
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: of that. But when he told me, But when he

693
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: told me that, what he tried to do is get

694
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: into you know, a young guy's head. See what you

695
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: think that's the divide and conquer, you know, mentality, saying

696
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that you know you might want to draft me. You

697
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: know I don't know that, but you think I'm gonna go.

698
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Was fired my agent just because of what you said,

699
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: even if I had my agent and I'm with you

700
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: and you don't want to get the deal, now you

701
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: need to know that that's not happening. So he my

702
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: agent brought it up to Bill par Sales, and Bill

703
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: was like, well I had to try because hey, this

704
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: wasn't and I got you know, at that time, you know,

705
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I got a nice rookie deal, you know, which was

706
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: I got equivalent to like the seventeenth pick, even though

707
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: I was a twenty third pick. And then of course

708
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: when you know, when it was time to you know,

709
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: really get paid, you know, for it was the highest

710
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: paid defensive back in the in the league. I mean

711
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: it's a production business exactly exactly. Business, yeah exactly, you

712
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: get paid, you get that production, yeah exactly.

713
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Now you got the old Bill Okie Doe corner trick

714
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: where you know he used to try to do that

715
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: to me all the time in contract talk stuff. Well

716
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: you know, he'd see in the cafeteria, look come over here,

717
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, what's up, coach, how you doing?

718
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: And I would just play dumb. He's like, look, you know,

719
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: we got an agent. You got you tell your agent

720
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: something I tell why don't we just do something right here,

721
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I know he's just

722
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: play a coach. I'm like domb with numbers and ship.

723
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you know?

724
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: Right right?

725
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: You gonna get you in here the same goddamn contract,

726
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: and I don't know what the fuck I'm signing.

727
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: But that's funny that he tried to Oki. Do you

728
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: try to go me twice? That's the Bill, want to

729
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: give you one more? That's here? It okay, since we

730
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: out did and everything going now, so now now I

731
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: had a in my contract. Oh god, damn it. Shot

732
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: clock clock clock. I mean, we're talking, Bill, you gotta go.

733
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: We gotta shot toast. I gotta say this. You know.

734
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: This is Corbus of course, the official Voka, proud partner

735
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A portion of every

736
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: bottle that I sell goes back to the old school guys,

737
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famers that wasn't as fortunate as you

738
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean to be able to make money

739
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: because they had to get jobs in the off seasons.

740
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: So they really played for the love of the game.

741
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: But you know, if they if ever fell on hard

742
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: times or something like that, you you got to take

743
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: care of the fathers, fathers exactly. And if they're passed on,

744
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know the fund, we help their widows

745
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: as well. But anyway, grill pineapple the only grill pineapple

746
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: on the market. Y'all heard it right here, games with names,

747
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: my man, jewels, grill pineapple. If somebody they got that

748
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: ship the second they second, we all cups at real

749
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: pineapple thriller.

750
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: Oh, Jimmy whalers to watch this be talking ship. I know,

751
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: you get a Texas Jimmy be watching this ship. Yeah, okay,

752
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: real pineapple, grill pineapple.

753
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: And we got about to we about to mess with

754
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Bill a little bits. We love them, we love them.

755
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, yeah, it tastes the grill. Yeah yeah,

756
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: it's just on the grill, right, so it's a little different, right.

757
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: So uh so this is what we drinking. Now, we

758
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: started off concentrating in New England, but this is the lick.

759
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: So let's go to Bill's ass, right, So as we

760
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: drinking and thinking shit, all right, So Bill I had

761
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: a contract, so of course you know, he came you know,

762
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: from the Jessie you know, and at the time I

763
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: was the only person on the roster that was still

764
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: in the Pete Carroll's contract. So I signed a big deal.

765
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: I was with Pete. You know, Pete really went to

766
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: bat and like I said, I earned my shit. But

767
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I was under that contract. So you know how it is,

768
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Delly can touch your contract once. Once they touch it,

769
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: you can't touch it for the rest of the year,

770
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They would try to avoid me,

771
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: like to play it. So next to Drew, I was next,

772
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: but they would go to everybody else because they knew,

773
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: you know at the time that I don't come mess

774
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: with me about this shit, that that's not happening. So anyway,

775
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I had a a bonus in my contract where I

776
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: get X amount of dollars if I come and make weight.

777
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: And I had a reporting bone this. So I had

778
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: a reporting bonus, you know, because it's like you had

779
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: a weight you had a weight clause. Huh No, that's

780
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: what's part of my reporting was I I gotta come

781
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: on time, make weight past the conditioning test. Yeah, we

782
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: all got that exactly. I got a million dollars from

783
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: mind workout bonus million bucks. No, that was reporting bonus.

784
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: My workout bonus was a hundred thousand, you know. So

785
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: that's what just in case they catch you, Just in

786
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: case they catch you, this save a mil Yeah, yeah,

787
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: they know you could do it. So that was enough

788
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: to come in and like I said, I was going

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: to pass the conditioning. Say, I'll give a damn if

790
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: I had to sit in the soign for fifty hours straight,

791
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that damn bonus, you know what I mean.

792
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: But it was one hundred thousands. So you know when

793
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I came in, I got the uh. I came in

794
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: and got my checks, you know what I mean. At

795
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the time, you know, you got direct direct deposit, but

796
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: you get your receipt. So I got I got one.

797
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's my damn where my other? With my

798
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: little hundred thousand net. So of course, you know, I

799
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: go down, they say, I go upstairs, and they say

800
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: you gotta go talk to Bill. I'm like, well, Ship, okay,

801
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: hey Bill, well I missed one hundred thousand. And he

802
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: was like, well, he said, we didn't talk this year.

803
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: I said, we're talking about because I went to Bob Cursey,

804
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, the great Bob Cursey Olympic you know, gold

805
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: medal winning coach. I trained with him. I never stayed

806
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: in the off season, you know, for the program. So

807
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, I got under my contract as long as

808
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: it was approved by the head coach of GM, which

809
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: it always was, I get both checks. So he said,

810
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: we didn't talk this year because we talked last year because,

811
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: like I said, he was fairly new to it and

812
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: he approved it. It was fine. So I was just assume

813
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: it's like that every year. I was. I signed this

814
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: ship when you was a jet. You remember you was

815
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: a jet when I when I signed this contract. So

816
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: when you came here this we talked jet for you guys.

817
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: That's a little child. Yes, yes, profession exact, yeah exactly.

818
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: So now he said there, He's like no, I'm like

819
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Bill Man, all right. So I called my financial advisor.

820
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, did that million clear yet? Not yet?

821
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: So you know, I went out, I left and I

822
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: came back. So Bill know me, So I'm coming back

823
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: in and bearsh He was like hey, he said, he's

824
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: in there. Bill had my contracts sitting on He had

825
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: my contracts sitting on his laid out, laid out, highlighted.

826
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: He had to shit highlighted, saying hey, it has to

827
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: be approved of this da da dada language. I'm like

828
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: and it was always approved. You was a fucking jit.

829
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: He said, well, Andy Wiser, Chuck, it's no longer GM,

830
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: and I'm the head coach, and I say nothing fine.

831
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I just took my

832
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: ass to the locker room, got my stuff out the thing,

833
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: and I walked on out. I was gone for three days.

834
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: See it what no social media and all that stuff.

835
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: So I was gone for three days, bro, And finally

836
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: got the call because they got to call you and say,

837
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: and this is doing training camp. But I know in

838
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: training camp you cannot find me more than twelve hundred

839
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: dollars a day. So as far it was one thousand

840
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: dollars day at the time. Twenty now, huh twenty grand

841
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, unexcused absence. Yeah, so it was it was

842
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: a thous It was like it was it was it

843
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: was it five thousand? Was it five thousand? Yeah, it

844
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: was five thousand. So I said, as far as I'm concerned,

845
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: I got twenty practices. I'll be back at at UH

846
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: on day twenty one to get that six million salary.

847
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I'll be back for that. But if I'm lose on

848
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: a hunred thousand'ma lose this shit legit. So I was

849
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: I was gone, you know what I mean. So eventually

850
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: Bears called me down the phone. Bring your ass down here,

851
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: all right, I said, Bill, want my money? He said,

852
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: you come down here. We talk about that ship later.

853
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: So I go with principles off. He told me to

854
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: come to go to the game because we were playing

855
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: down in Washington. So you didn't practice all camp, No

856
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: I did. I was gone for three days. I left

857
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: three days is because guess what? Because what the million cleared? Okay,

858
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: that was clear, that was in the bank. So as

859
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, I got one hundred thousand dollars

860
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: right here. That's out there, and to me where I

861
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: come from, that's a lot of goddamn money. That's a

862
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of money. Anyway. That's the kind that you don't

863
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: get a financial advisor get hing a million, but you

864
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: keep one hundred thousand yourself. You know, dud dude, you

865
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: gotta do you know, that's the pocket change at that time.

866
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, when you get there's a lot of money,

867
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: but two things. So, like I said, where I come from,

868
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: that's life changing. So for me, I was like, I'm

869
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: not that guy. I'm gonna leave and I'll be back.

870
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: But they also had the status of who I was too,

871
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: so I knew that as well. So do what you

872
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: gotta do. So I left. He called me, get your

873
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: ass on the plane. We go on the wall. I

874
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: think we was washing pre season. He didn't start me.

875
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: He put me in with the goddamn scrubs, bro Will

876
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Willing and everybody hot dogs on sideline and ship. So

877
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: he puts me in. So now all the guys on

878
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: the other side, they're really going, you know, they trying

879
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: to make thee. I'm getting cut and all out, like man,

880
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, they Willing. It was clown and laughing. Right.

881
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: So we comes back and next day he had to

882
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: come in on Monday. I didn't even take my stuff off.

883
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: I was at the I was at the table eating breakfast,

884
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: steal my clothes on. You know. Bill came, but I

885
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: would the envelope. He said to me, like fucking asshole.

886
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: So I was like, open up the check. Eighty five

887
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: thousand adopted me three days freaking Bill, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

888
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: that's Bill for you. Though. Yeah, he dopped me this

889
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: fucking three days man. So I mean, but we like said,

890
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: we got a great relationship and the respect from there,

891
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: But it was just at the time I wasn't the one.

892
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: I made sure that she was clear though. Man, but

893
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta put your foot down sometime. Now.

894
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: How was what was the similarities and differences between him

895
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: and Parcels and Pete Carroll and and.

896
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: What was to you? And then you went to the

897
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: jets and you went to the chiefs? How was his ship?

898
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: How was that? Man? I tell you what you know,

899
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: come in and get different. What made Parcels different? Is

900
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: you know it was a well I'm gonna start with Parcels.

901
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: That's what drafted me. So Parsales was the master manipulator

902
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: when it comes to the mind and like you like,

903
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: he'll make you so pissed off psychologically, he'll you'll run

904
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: to run through a wall. You want to prove to

905
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: him that he told me. He told me I was

906
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna be the first first round of the NFL history.

907
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: You get cut in training camp, Like, what the that

908
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the He called me to the side.

909
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, right now, you're working on being the

910
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: first first round or in the history of the NFL.

911
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: To get cut in the middle of training camp I'm

912
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: sitting there like in my stupid ass, you know at

913
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the time, you know, just being me from out coball like, well,

914
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, you know, come on, whoop

915
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: all the ad do what you gotta do. Stupid, you

916
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But that's just that, that's that's

917
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: just who I was, you know what I mean. And

918
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: then eventually, you know, he was like, uh man, he

919
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: was the bestie, but he always rolled me. And it

920
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: was one particular game where now it established myself as

921
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of a physical and aggressive, and he was like,

922
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: you know what, you got everybody scared of you out there, right,

923
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: but this week this guy's gonna kick your ass. So

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: he was talking about Michael Irving was going down to

925
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: play the Dallas Cowboys and Michael Irvan I think he

926
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: had just hit you know, Like I said, Nias Williams

927
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: the one of the greatest, you know what I mean,

928
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: look up to Nia's trained women. But he gave he

929
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: gave Nias the business, you know what I mean. It

930
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: was like nine catches something like like two hundred some

931
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: yards and shit, I'm like damn. So Parcelles challenged me saying,

932
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: if he do that, didn Nias Williams because he said,

933
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: you're damn sure knowing Nias Williams. You know that's what

934
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: Parceles told me. He gonna kick your ass. But guess

935
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: what I'm putting you on him? You know you think

936
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: you good? So man when out there ended up having

937
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: two picks. You know, think got Defensive Player of the

938
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: Week all that stuff. But I wasn't even thinking about

939
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: playing you know, Michael and the challenge him. I was

940
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking I got to prove Parceales wrong for

941
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: fucking with me. You know, I'm gonna show you that

942
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm not the one. And I had to take it

943
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: out on Michael at the time, you know what I mean,

944
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: That's how my mentality was. But Belichick, you know that's

945
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: how he got the best out of here. Belichick, He's

946
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: gonna sit you down because he was my dB coach,

947
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: which I loved, by the way, because you had to

948
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: do the least amount of studying when he's your coach.

949
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: Because he done did it all. Everything that he say

950
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: is going to happen is going to happen. It's going

951
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: to be one of two things. And what I really

952
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: fell and loved with the way he coached. He was

953
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: my dB coach. We're playing the Saints. He said, look,

954
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: if they line up in this formation, tight end, here

955
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: guy on the top of the numbers. If he's lined

956
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: up on the top of the numbers, he's going to

957
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: do a curl. And my thing was, I didn't want

958
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: to be on the wrong any highlights. What if you

959
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: run a curl and go, He's not going to do it.

960
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: If you run a curl and go, it's on me.

961
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: So I said, shit, seeing a formation is coming, damn

962
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Sure enough, he did exactly that, came in, jumped in

963
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: front of it, pick and it was like shit. So

964
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: now when we're moving, Belichick had you in such a

965
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: great position mentally that you went into the game so

966
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: confident and saying that if anything happens, put it on him.

967
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: But guaranteed this is going to happen. And that's how

968
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he was as a coach. So when he left and

969
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: came back, we thinking like, that's our boy. Man. Me

970
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: and lawyer called him illegally, I might add, you know

971
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: at the time, because we ain't supposed to, you know,

972
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: contact him and stuff like that. But that was our guy,

973
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: that was our coach. So when he came back. Man,

974
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: we were so happy. And then when Bill walked in,

975
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: the Bill and were trying to go do like the

976
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: group hug type of he the head coach. Now I'm like,

977
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: Bill done got a new chick and got brand new

978
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: and shit, but they done got brand new. It ain't

979
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: the same. But now you have to realize, and it

980
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: took us a minute that he's not our coach anymore.

981
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: He's our coach and he has to sit there and

982
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, treat everything and conduct itself in a certain way.

983
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: But what he does from a game plan perspective, I've

984
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: never been with another coach or another organization that is

985
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: that prepared at all times. And he made you feel

986
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: comfortable even his adjustments. This is what we're gonna do, Bam.

987
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: You just gotta be smart. In training camp, we will

988
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: see shit that we ain't seen in eight weeks. We

989
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: going back to some training camp. You got to like

990
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: what we ain't played that since training camp. But for

991
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: this particular game or we're going at halftime, he comes back.

992
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: This is what it is. So I think that separates

993
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: a Bill from everyone else. It's his adjustments and how

994
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: he looks at the game. You know what I mean

995
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: from offense defensively. He used to have to leave to

996
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: help Charlie Weiss. He would leave our defense to mean

997
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: we be in our bardamnself. Ain't nobody getting coached because

998
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: he up just telling the offense what the other defense

999
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: is doing. He had to leave the meeting so many

1000
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: times just to go up there and help the offense

1001
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: by looking at the defense. He was that much of

1002
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: a genius when it comes to a football mind. Pete Carroll,

1003
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I like Pete. Pete gave me the bag. He puss

1004
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: for me to get the back. But he was a

1005
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: dB guy. But I think his personality didn't mesh well

1006
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of other guys because we all interviewed.

1007
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I interviewed because I ain't nobody who's gonna hire a Belichick.

1008
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I like Pete. So when they

1009
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: came down Bobby Greer and all that gym, you know scrap,

1010
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I was like, man. We went to the playoffs, I

1011
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: felt somewhat responsible because I gave up the touchdown. You

1012
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean I did. I gave up a touchdown.

1013
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I was sick to who I think it was one

1014
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: of the best ever. When it comes to me, you know,

1015
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: matching up that Damn Jimmy Smith was an animal bro. I

1016
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: just want to put that out there. So but Pete

1017
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Carroll Man, the happy, gold lucky guy that just didn't

1018
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: sit well with the rest of his guys because no

1019
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: matter what, come on, guys, don't you feel it? Don't

1020
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: you feel it? Yeah? You know, he was like that,

1021
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, coming from parts exactly, yeah exactly.

1022
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: This guy's smacking his gums saying name exactly. It was.

1023
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: It was a totally different energy, you know. And then

1024
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: you get back to Bill's in that similar similar, more

1025
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: similar to yourselfselves, you know, and Bill, don't be wrong.

1026
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: He wanted outside of business. Me and Bill ain't never

1027
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: had a problem outside of contract and business, you know

1028
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you got to understand we're all

1029
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: independent contracts. You know that at the end of the day,

1030
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: we're on the team. But when we're talking about this

1031
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: and we have discrepancies about this, he has to work

1032
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: for himself in the organization. You have to work for

1033
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: yourself as an individual, you know, as eight because hey,

1034
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: it's short lived, you know what I mean. But drink

1035
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: what you're he gonna gonna have a beer? What you're

1036
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: he gonna laugh, have a good time, and that's you know.

1037
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Bill's a computer where like if he's doing work,

1038
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: he's just thinking about work.

1039
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: And the one thing that.

1040
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: He was always that I always liked with he was

1041
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: honest with you, right, which he would try to be

1042
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: a little overly honest just to prove his point on

1043
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: certain things. Look, I'm not gonna pay you fucking ten

1044
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fucking thirty three.

1045
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're not gonna be able to walk

1046
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: in through. Yeah, he will tell you, he tell you,

1047
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.

1048
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: But what you said about him preparing a team and

1049
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: and saying it's gonna be on me if it doesn't

1050
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: go this way, there are countless times where you remember

1051
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: he'd have those team meetings because it's probably the same

1052
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: and he.

1053
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Give you the keys.

1054
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: Look, fellas, we just need to do this, this.

1055
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: This, and if we do that, this is gonna happen.

1056
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: We'd sit there and be listening to ship and then

1057
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 2: you'd watch that on a Monday when you're watching film.

1058
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Everything that he said happened, right, and exactly how he

1059
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: said exactly I'm saying he took he took that. He

1060
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: made it easier to do your job because he did

1061
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: all the hard work. A lot of guys don't want

1062
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: to study that film. So you basically got a coach

1063
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: as a walking cheat sheet. You know what I mean?

1064
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: You can go ask him anything out of the blue.

1065
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: He gonna already know what it is. I'm sitting there

1066
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: like it's at a point where like, how do you

1067
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: know all that you watched us? You? You hear offensive

1068
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: guys asking him stuff, and I'm like, how do you

1069
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: got time to do all this shit and know all this?

1070
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: He's one hundred percent of the cheat sheet, but he's

1071
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: an asshole cheat sheet. But I loved him. He was

1072
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: an asshole. Yeah, but if you if you talk, I've.

1073
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: Been telling everyone, if you talk to anyone that's in

1074
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: their thirties, forties or or higher, not one guy like

1075
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: their football coach. No one's liked your full you love them. Yeah,

1076
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: I never liked my coach. Who the fuck to like

1077
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: a guy that makes you run up a goddamn hill

1078
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: to walk through for a fucking walk through for another

1079
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: walkthrough to go and fucking do these dumb drills. We're

1080
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: doing tackling drills in the Super Bowl weekue.

1081
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: Why the fuck? Yeah, you don't like it, but we want,

1082
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: but we want And when you win, you know a

1083
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. That's the way, that's the way it

1084
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: is when you win. But if you go out there

1085
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: and you're not being successful when you're losing, that becomes

1086
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: a problem. But I got a question for you, Jewles,

1087
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: because you know you came in he was at a

1088
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: quarterback and then your receiver, and you're developing and you

1089
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: becoming like the top receiver you know on the Patriots

1090
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: coming from a quarterback. You know, how was that transition

1091
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: for you? Like? Who helped you, who inspired you? Did

1092
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: you think you can do it?

1093
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: That was a tough transition, and especially because you know

1094
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: specifically how hard camps are and we still had double days.

1095
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: When I got in right, I felt like I was

1096
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: getting cut every day because everything was so new. One

1097
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: of the greatest things for me was to have Chad

1098
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: o'sha as my football coach, my receivers coach. He was

1099
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: like a king psychologist, great guy of information that you know,

1100
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: would give you everything that you needed to prepare you.

1101
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: But I would sit and watch film and I would

1102
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: take mental reps. When Wes Welker was in front of me.

1103
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: When you know, looking at Randy Moss even though he's

1104
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: a different body type, but being able to see his

1105
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: late hands on a stacking a defender, like these guys

1106
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: are playing through your hands, but you could steal that

1107
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: even though I'm not him, you know, trying to take

1108
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: from every rep and it was. It was fucking crazy tough,

1109
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: but like because the environment I was in, working hard

1110
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: and doing extra and and living at the facility, that

1111
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: was like that's what I thought was normal.

1112
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: So like, I don't know, it took me. It took

1113
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: me time to really because I was always really gifted

1114
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: with the ball in my hand, like I could always

1115
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: make people miss in space.

1116
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: It took me a while to learn how to run routes.

1117
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: I needed the experience. It was the practice. It was

1118
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: like every practice. Scottie O'Brien was my special team's coordinator,

1119
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: which I had to make myself valuable by returning punch.

1120
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: So that's what you feel like you made the team

1121
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: was on your special team.

1122
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, returning punts and on kickoff, you know, and being

1123
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: one of those guys that could back up guys but

1124
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: also be a coarse special team, right, I had to

1125
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: create value to stay on the team. But he would

1126
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: always say this, I coming after a fucking practice all

1127
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: bummed out because I fucked something up and got yelled at.

1128
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: And he'd always say, you know, a play, whether good

1129
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 2: or bad, is a bit of experience, meaning that bad play.

1130
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: Remember that.

1131
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: The great players, the good players, they remember those bad

1132
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: plays and they use it. So like when I would

1133
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: run a when I was doing one on one incuts

1134
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: or something we were playing. We were doing one on

1135
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: one drills and I'd run I didn't know how to

1136
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: run incuts at the time. I was giving my ship

1137
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: up at the top of the route and dropping my

1138
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: weight and DB's you guys read that and just fucking

1139
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: breaking undercut. And so I remember I got undercutt in

1140
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: and I was pissed. And after I heard that, on

1141
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: my outbreaking route I made, I made that same move

1142
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: where I was gonna do like the incut, which the

1143
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: guy undercut.

1144
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: It and I broke out.

1145
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just stacking things together and having

1146
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: mental toughness to be able to to literally go through

1147
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: just the fucking beaten up of you know, the coaching

1148
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: and the grind of an NFL season. And the couple

1149
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: reps you get making those reps work, and then you know,

1150
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: one thing led to another where I got more opportunity.

1151
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: Gronk got hurt, Aaron Hernandez killed somebody. They had to

1152
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: lean on me.

1153
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: And at all, I'm just saying, you know, it's it's

1154
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: it's a compliment to be able to say. I'm used

1155
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: to you know, Okay, I got the ball in my hand.

1156
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: You know you can do that. But you said, it's

1157
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: a art, it's a skill. You have to work to

1158
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: be able to run a route, to sell it right

1159
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: and then catch the damn ball. You throwing the ball.

1160
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: So I mean that that's just to make the team,

1161
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: and not only make the team, but they had the

1162
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: success that you've had and the impact that you had

1163
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: on the game. Man, brouh Hey, that's commendable, man, it's

1164
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: much respect. I always say that dude's a dog, man,

1165
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I said that, dude's a dog.

1166
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Would love to play with you, man, awesome to play

1167
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: with you. We're gonna go to fuck out in practice. Though,

1168
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: that's also what made me better. Me too, I like that.

1169
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: I like that type of party.

1170
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: No, that's also what made me really really a lot

1171
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: better is when we when we signed keep to lead m.

1172
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was like my fourth year

1173
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: or something, just going on one on him, and then

1174
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: we signed Reeve and you know how practices are, we

1175
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: were we were going on ones every day, right, and

1176
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: so I got to learn, I got to get you know,

1177
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: I learned what made him not like shit, and I learned,

1178
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, what I had to do to get open

1179
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: on certain things those practice.

1180
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: Was the most patient corner ever, patient and a long,

1181
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: strong as ship. He had a long.

1182
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: Arm, but he had a short base. So usually you

1183
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: know there's corners that are tall corners that you get

1184
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: them running sideways. You know they can't get out rady.

1185
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: But he was like one of those swimmer built type

1186
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: guys where he had a long upper body but a

1187
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: short lower body, and he always was on balance. So

1188
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: he was very patient line scrimmageing and a crazy offhand jam.

1189
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: And his offhand jam usually you get like a corner

1190
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: of his size. He wasn't like a big big.

1191
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: Guy who's five eleven handed, heavy handed, you know what

1192
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean. He had a heavy hand, so he got you.

1193
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: But sometimes when a dB would give you that off

1194
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: hand jam if you were to grind through it and

1195
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: get through it, they're out of position. Sometimes he was

1196
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: never out of position. And then he'd also know, like

1197
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: what you just said, when when you were preparing and

1198
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: you saw that tight end here and the guy on

1199
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: the split here, you identified formation and it gave you

1200
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: subconscious reaction. He would go out and he would be

1201
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: able to call play just by the situation and our formation, which.

1202
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: We all know our plays, but like he was doing

1203
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: that the games too. Yeah, he was something special.

1204
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: And then Gilmour came and you know, it was also

1205
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: great to compete against him.

1206
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: So I would say my.

1207
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: Development as a receiver was through the practice, through the

1208
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: psychology of Chad O'shay, through watching Wes Welker and how

1209
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: he practiced, watching the film of Troy Brown Dion Branch.

1210
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: I would watch their film. I wanted to see the

1211
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: guys catching the balls in this system and we had that.

1212
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: So that and then practicing against the great players that

1213
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: we had because practice was so fucking hard.

1214
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, we practiced hard right Hey. By the way,

1215
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, I want some money off you, man. I

1216
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: din't ever get to tell you thank you. Yeah, you know,

1217
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: I bet on it like I was like, who going,

1218
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: Who's gonna it? Was the bookie me wasn't. It wasn't

1219
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: the legit shate. We didn't have all that. Look, I

1220
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to do all that. It was. It

1221
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: was just it was just a bat like get the MVP.

1222
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm sitting like, you know what time I said you

1223
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: can hey, I was like, man, hell with it. It

1224
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: was something that like it was so some crazy odds

1225
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: and I'm saying like all right, fine, man, I got

1226
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars, damn number I'm putting on. I'm putting

1227
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: it on the element to get the m v P.

1228
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean like, you know,

1229
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: because it's like m v P quarterback, he got to

1230
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: really mess it up sometime not to get it. Because

1231
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: if they have any type of decent game, you know

1232
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the m v P. Man. So you know,

1233
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 1: I took a took a chance on your man, putting

1234
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: a couple of dollars down there, got eleven grand about

1235
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: the deal.

1236
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 4: Donald this year money on Sam Donald for MVP this

1237
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: year one.

1238
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: To get hurt.

1239
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: That's that was the bet three hundred and one on

1240
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: Sam Darnald for Yo.

1241
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: So I got one for you too, because I mean,

1242
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: it's like, I know we had to be talking shop man,

1243
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: but I know you could still play when you left

1244
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: the game, look like you can still play now. What

1245
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: was the deciding factor was saying, you know what, I'm

1246
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna walk away.

1247
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: I could still play, It's just I couldn't play consistently.

1248
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: And by my last year before the season, while we

1249
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: were training, I tore the root of my meniscus and

1250
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: that's what holds your meniscus down. And they came up

1251
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: to me and they go, we could do like a

1252
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: microfracture surgery where it's a twelve month recovery I was

1253
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: thirty four, or you could try to play with it

1254
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: and we'll just treat it. And I was like, all right,

1255
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: let's try to do that. I couldn't walk until Saturday

1256
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: after a game. Like the next the following Saturday, I

1257
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: would get two three plays at practice just because it

1258
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: was it was so raw and it was.

1259
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: So new, there was no scarring.

1260
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: And we went into a season right away with the

1261
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: fucking shitty injury. I was just mentally fucking drained, you

1262
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And the little things that were

1263
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: my great parts of my game weren't easy anymore.

1264
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: I had to like do ship. You know, I didn't

1265
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: look the same on film. I couldn't practice the way

1266
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to practice, and so like I was like

1267
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: fuck that, you know, and it just I mean, I couldn't.

1268
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: I couldn't run, bro And then you know, two years,

1269
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: like a year after you retire, you know, things start healing,

1270
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: you start feeling great. I still stay in shape, but

1271
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm not in football shape.

1272
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know football shape. Yeah,

1273
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: that's what when guys talking about they can still go

1274
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: out there and play, I mean, it's kind of you know,

1275
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: come on, man, I could go play four or five,

1276
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: I could go play twenty plays.

1277
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: Says that like every week I can't get I can

1278
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 3: still play.

1279
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no. And the thing is it's different when like,

1280
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like you know, to yo, man,

1281
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: he's a freaking nature. He's a freaking nature. But to

1282
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: say to go out there and play football, I doubt

1283
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: that to you because it's it's just learning how to

1284
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: fall again. Man, I can't even fall and going down

1285
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: to slowing down, but falling, it's an art to knowing

1286
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: how to fall when you get tired. I don't even

1287
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: know how to fall them. Why I slip this shit

1288
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: hurt now? Man, I don't even know how to catch

1289
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: myself break myself.

1290
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: And your body can't fall like it used to, like

1291
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: when you used to when you're fucking twenty in your

1292
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: twenties and early thirties or twenties, you fall down at

1293
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: the full speed you get up like after the years

1294
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: and years of compounding injuries, you fall down.

1295
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: Your body's like, we can't do that right now exactly.

1296
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: And you know you've got no life alert blazelet on

1297
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: the practice.

1298
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: Of breaking like, hey, do you miss it? I missed

1299
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: the practice.

1300
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: I miss the preparation in the officeas I miss having

1301
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: something to do always. You know, you got to create

1302
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: your own routine. I miss like you know, the fellas.

1303
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: In fighting against Patrick Chung in practice and fucking fighting

1304
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: Gilmour on his first day as a Patriot because we

1305
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: used to battle when he was a bill.

1306
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Right, you know, like I missed that ship. Who did

1307
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: you ever fight in practice?

1308
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: Or who is the battle? Who did you battle with?

1309
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Patton Brown? You know what? You know me? You know Patton?

1310
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: You know it was like man like pat was the

1311
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: type of guy. You know. Yeah, he the guy that

1312
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: you know you just didn't even want to swear around.

1313
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: He was just a good dude. Man. You know Patton

1314
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: come around, it's like, you know, here come the pastor

1315
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We can't say what we

1316
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: want to say. We can't talk about no girls, we

1317
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: can't say that, we can't drop the F word, we

1318
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: can't do nothing around Patton. He had just that type

1319
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: of you know, respect and but me and Troy, I

1320
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. It was sometime we'd be like, man,

1321
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: how you feel the day though? We're going We're going

1322
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: hard today, you know what I mean, And we'll go hard.

1323
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: Sometime we'd be like, yo, man, let's make it look good.

1324
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: Got the buddy system going on, you know what I mean?

1325
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: That depends it all depends on the day. But when

1326
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: it was time to work, you know, it was time

1327
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: to work, man, you know what I mean?

1328
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: So who are the who are the receivers you loved

1329
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: going against in the league? I mean I was we

1330
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: were watching doing the research. I mean you picked one

1331
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: when you were getting t o Irvin. I mean your

1332
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: years that you played because you were also in you

1333
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: know the bruces and this, but you got like you

1334
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: picked off Dan Marino, Yeah, you picked off Steve Young.

1335
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. My first pick was Jim Kelly. Jim Kelly, so

1336
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then you're also picking off Peyton like

1337
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: your most picks came from Peyton Manning. But like my

1338
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: longest interception was off Tom. Though that takes sense football

1339
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: was a little thick with it, but you know I

1340
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: got it, you know, but in that year, you know what,

1341
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: New York. But it was one of those things. And

1342
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: that's what makes the greats great because like after the

1343
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: you know game and Bill, when we were walking into halftime,

1344
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, same thing, he came in, fucking asshole, you know,

1345
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: just as a joke, you know, you know, still it's

1346
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: still still all love. But Tom, in the next day

1347
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: you're like, what did you see? And I'm like, I

1348
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: got play with your ass full out on line. Why

1349
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: would you do the same thing? You know on me?

1350
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: Like it was a movement, cause it was one of

1351
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: those plays where it was givings. First of all, it

1352
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: was ain't about to run past me anyway, even though

1353
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: I was, even if I was, you know, I don't

1354
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: worry about him running past you know, what I mean.

1355
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: But he did one of those short motions, and you

1356
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: know how come half we start our way out there.

1357
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be an outcut. And soon

1358
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: as I say, Tom looked the other way and gave

1359
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: that you know that it was like a little fake.

1360
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: It was a half ass fake, which that was not

1361
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: like you're coming off really throwing the ball. So as

1362
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: he did that, I just stopped in my tracks. I said, oh,

1363
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: he coming right here, and and he threw it, you

1364
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I told him that,

1365
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: but it really bothered him and it messed with him,

1366
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: and he called me because, like I said, it was great,

1367
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: you know, always the friendship and the love is still there.

1368
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: And like Peyton, same thing. We gets over to the

1369
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, Peyton gonna try to fill you up with

1370
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: damn drinks, you know, but guess what, it's some football coming.

1371
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: So so what did you think? And I'm like, man,

1372
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: I ain't stupid Payton. I'm still from the hood, don't

1373
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: get I know. I know what you're doing. I mean,

1374
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: you're like, look at all these girls out here, and

1375
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: but katies and ship, we ain't talking about no football, man.

1376
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: We we the sights I've heard he's like the mayor

1377
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: of the Pro Bowl.

1378
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no. Paydon is great, like I said,

1379
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna feed you the drinks and you're gonna have

1380
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: a good time. But if he curious about something in football,

1381
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: because look, that's the competitive edge, you don't never take it,

1382
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, personal, because we all you know, you know,

1383
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: great friends, hall of Fame teammates, you know now, but

1384
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: you know at that time it bothered Tom and it

1385
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: bothered you know, Peyton that they made a mistake or

1386
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: they let you get one or what was you saying

1387
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: on this one man? And I respect it, you know,

1388
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: always trying to get that always always trying to get

1389
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: this receiver to cover Y Smith, I say, Jimmy Smith,

1390
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: because man, he was so strong, he was so fast,

1391
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I considered myself that a bully

1392
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: because I ain't trying to run with you all day

1393
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: if I ain't got you, even though I can, but

1394
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: I rather sit and fight. So you know, they talk

1395
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: about matchups. Jimmy Smith was one of those guys that

1396
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, intimidate because he can run as

1397
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: fast as any receiving the league. He was strong, he

1398
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: was tough, you know what I mean. So that one

1399
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: right there is like you knew that you had to

1400
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: come to work, you know. And I love to play

1401
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: against him because it was a great challenge. The people

1402
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: that I didn't like to play against all the time

1403
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: is people like yo, ass, they just running just quick,

1404
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, for no damn reason, like you know, like

1405
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: they just running. And then the option routes. Oh man,

1406
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: that inside the option route. I'm trying to get you

1407
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: right now. But that kind of stuff right there too.

1408
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: Small guys. It's like, man, give me a big guy,

1409
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: give me, give me, give him, give me Keyshawan, give me,

1410
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: give me Moss, you know what I mean, give me,

1411
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: give me something like that, you know, Michael Irving, I

1412
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: like Jay Rice, I like that, But chasing guys like you, man,

1413
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: sh it man, I hated that. Who is your favorite

1414
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: cornerback watching when you're a kid? Always prime, you know

1415
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? But you said, tell me. He he

1416
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, you know, and you know, just a great,

1417
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: just great dude. You know overall you seeing when he's doing,

1418
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: how he's impacting young lives. But he was the greatest

1419
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, cornerback that ever played the game. You know,

1420
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's who you know, that was, you know,

1421
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: our Michael Jordan when it comes to football and playing cornerback.

1422
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: But the reality is I didn't have Deon Sanders speed,

1423
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know one of

1424
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: my favorite dbs who I kind of like, say, if

1425
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: I had to pattern my game off of who I

1426
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: looked at, it was Rod Woodson. Rod Woodson was the

1427
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: real deal. He was fast. Hell wasn't that fast either,

1428
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: but you know, he put his nose in there in

1429
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: the tackling and you know, he just played the game

1430
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: like you know, especially growing up in Pittsburgh, you know

1431
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: what I mean, I know was good. Rod Woodson was

1432
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: that guy, you know what I mean? So next to

1433
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: Deon Salmers who had everything and we're talking about pure

1434
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: just cover guys that made our position popper, that made

1435
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, us get paid like that because I was

1436
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: right after him when he signed that fifty million dollar deal.

1437
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, at the time, defensive players, especially cornerbacks, used

1438
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: used to be the lowest paid, and he changed the

1439
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: dynamic of what a cornerback is. And when he got that,

1440
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I mean, let me I

1441
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: got to get some of that. Hell yeah, on contract

1442
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: negotiation jewels man. So it's Andy Watson Chuck, my agent,

1443
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess he went to the bathroom.

1444
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: So they were trying to, you know, say take dionis exemp.

1445
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: Let's leave that contract because they try to tell you, oh,

1446
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: it was back loaded. It wasn't the you know, I'm

1447
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: playing dumb. All I said was fifty million dollars on TV.

1448
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: I say fifty million. I know how contracts work. But

1449
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: they were trying to say the structure bullshit. I say

1450
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. Fifty Yeah, that's what I said. So

1451
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: my agent called me when I was gonna. I didn't

1452
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: even want to, you know, go in there. He's like, look,

1453
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: just come in here and be tyl. All Damma, just

1454
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: come in here and be tyl. I said, okay, I

1455
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: come in and then you know he going through it

1456
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: and what we're thinking about. We think like Dale Carter

1457
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: signed this six years. You know, we're thinking somewhere along

1458
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: those lines and we can give you this a couple

1459
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: hundred I said. I said, Dale Carter and deal Carter.

1460
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: Mind you was a goddamn animal. I'm a beast, but

1461
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: it was thirty six million, fifty million. I seen fifty.

1462
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: Now I'm talking to Andy. I said, look here, man,

1463
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know where y'all come, but Dale Carter. I

1464
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm in my fourth in the league.

1465
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: They already been there. I was like, man, I could

1466
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: do that. My name sleep man. We ain't doing it,

1467
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: even though it's not like that, because he was a

1468
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: freaking as we talking shit, and I was like, Deon

1469
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: Sanders did this, That's what I seen. And I was like, look,

1470
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: I ain't claim to be Deon Sanders, but I'm prime

1471
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: time round this motherfucker right here. That's what I told Andy.

1472
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: I said, I ain't done. I ain't claimed to be

1473
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: deone Sander, but I'm prime time around this mother. I said.

1474
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: You know what, Carl, I said, if this man, I

1475
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: don't even eat be it. I just got up ship

1476
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: off and I'm like, what fuck is? I go back

1477
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: and sit my car, and Carl came out about thirty

1478
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: forty minutes later. He just got in the car. He

1479
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: just like this, give me five and that's it. Then

1480
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you know, they went into it

1481
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: and it still wasn't there. Because I had just wanted

1482
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted ten. That was the kind of

1483
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: the market if you get there. It was like, and

1484
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: Carl was like, hold on, give me another way. I said, Carl,

1485
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: we're in training camp. So now were covered and lawyer

1486
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Lloyd we was going. We crashed and like it was

1487
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: a dig, right, I was covering. Lawyer hit me and

1488
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: a player. I thought, I blew my knee out. I

1489
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: was scared. I was like, oh shit, got up. I

1490
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: was all right. I was playing timid somewhat in practice

1491
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: out there because I really thought, because you go across

1492
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: there with lawyer, lawyer gonna knock shit out of you. Man.

1493
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: He was one of the most aggressive you know safeties

1494
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: that you know I ever play with. Man, the dude

1495
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: was tough, man, you know what I mean, Like not

1496
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,520
Speaker 1: very big in stature, but he hit like a dad linebacker.

1497
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: He would light your ass up. So you know what,

1498
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: two weeks later, like a week or so after that

1499
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: instance that happened, then two days later, you know, he

1500
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: I was ready to sign. There was like ten six.

1501
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: I like, deal sign it. He like, I got him.

1502
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: Hold on, I said, you're getting greedy. Carl, Come on, mate,

1503
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: ship I'm good. Man called me. The next day. So

1504
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: we had the day off. I'm up in Boston on

1505
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: Boston Street. You know, God, his mom. We up there

1506
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: kicking and I'm gonna do a little shopping on the

1507
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: off day. He said, you ready. I was like, what

1508
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: we got it done? I'm like, he said, you buck

1509
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: it up. I'm like, shit, I am now what man?

1510
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: He told me what it was. And at the time,

1511
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: it was seven years, you know, for fifty and I'm

1512
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: sitting like, what's the sign of bones? That's that's when

1513
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: it was the fourteen I threw that ship and park

1514
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: I got out. I was all over the street, shite recognition.

1515
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: I jumped out the dead car. What's wrong? What's wrong?

1516
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: What's good? Hey? Man? I was overjoyed, man, because you

1517
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: worked so hard to say to your family and at

1518
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: that time, you know, I mean, that was a that

1519
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: was a big deal. But now you know, it's the

1520
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: standard to live up to when you're getting that type

1521
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: of contract. When you sit there saying that, you know,

1522
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: you got a contract to the equivalent of even though

1523
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 1: you're talking that shit you wanted, but now the reality

1524
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: set in, Okay, you got to live up to that contract.

1525
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: You got to live up to that if you the

1526
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: prime time around. Look, you know that I'm talking. You

1527
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: feel me, so I have to Hey, guess what it

1528
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: worked yourself out now? Prime set the bar, he said,

1529
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: the bar bro Who what corners are you watching nowadays?

1530
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: Saying that they're damn they're good? Stepan. I always like Stefan,

1531
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: even when he was a picture. I know he's getting older,

1532
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: but he's working on his Hall of Fame resume, you know,

1533
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: right now. But I mean, I think somebody that can

1534
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: go out there and play with anybody. I think Stefan

1535
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: Gilmour is still, you know, one of the better cornerbacks.

1536
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: But you got guys like, you know, Giant here, Alexander Ward,

1537
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is you know he can play you know

1538
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: he can play ball. But I still don't see anybody

1539
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: right now that I can look at and say, who's

1540
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: following the best guy all over the field. They're not

1541
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: doing that anymore. I'm like, you know, that's when you

1542
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: want to get get games change, game change when you

1543
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: ask for that type of money. But if you're a

1544
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: starter right now, you can you can ask for that

1545
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: type of month because that's where the market is at.

1546
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: But when we were playing, when Dion was able to

1547
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: jump and say that because he was Deon Sanders, he

1548
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: did stuff that everybody don't do. And when I said that,

1549
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm prime time right here, not saying that I'm Deon Sanders,

1550
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: but for what we do and for you know, me

1551
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: to be going to the number one receiver game in

1552
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: game out, you know, no matter what the defense was played,

1553
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He I know I'm going

1554
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: to Keishawn. I know I'm going to Wayne on the

1555
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 1: third down, so I'm changing. I know I got Marvin

1556
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't even sit there and mess with Reggie,

1557
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: not saying that Reggie Redgewaying is a you know, a

1558
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer himself, but at that time they would

1559
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: even I ain't even waste my time over there, because hell,

1560
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: I got to handle this over here. And like I said,

1561
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: Reguating was just coming to his own. So I got that.

1562
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: We go play Sam Fran pick your pois. You got

1563
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: jay Rice, then you get to O. You know what

1564
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got that. So that's why

1565
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, it's missing Darrell Reeves. He

1566
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: goes to the guy, there's not many of those anymore.

1567
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: Six exactly run that cover six, which is it plays

1568
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: like man, but you get to play with your eyes

1569
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: in the backfield, right, you know what I mean? Because

1570
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: you have that guy going to that flat zone. Our

1571
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: back was turned to the well, that's why you don't see,

1572
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, as many interceptions or something like that, because

1573
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: our back was turned to the ball because we were

1574
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: here and we're covering you know that guy, you know

1575
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then you talk about guys like

1576
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: a Champ Bailey and all that. We we went to

1577
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: the top dog no matter what. And I think that's

1578
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: what's missing from the game.

1579
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: You think they've gotten away from man coverage because of

1580
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 2: the how they're calling the game now because of p

1581
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 2: I and illegal contact on every goddamn play.

1582
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: That's the one. Hey, you know what an excerpt? Do

1583
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: you have something from there?

1584
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 3: We were talking about it this morning.

1585
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

1586
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: And this game that we're talking about today led to

1587
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 3: the tail rule.

1588
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher Bill.

1589
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: Polling on the Rules committee in O four in there

1590
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 3: crying and you got to enforced rules ridictas.

1591
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but it started with mail Blunt, So

1592
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't can't tell you all the credit started with

1593
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: the Mail Blunt and that's me and male's thing. Now,

1594
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, we had rules, so I look at that

1595
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: as a as a compliment. But the game, yeah, yeah,

1596
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: we would have been fighting, you know what I mean, absolutely,

1597
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: guess what, we've been drinking a beer afterwards.

1598
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 2: But like you could just tell I watched your film,

1599
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 2: you know, just you're a veteran on how to hold

1600
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: and like, you know what I mean, that's what the

1601
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: great DB's. They're the slickest. Everyone's cheating out there. It's

1602
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: just you gotta like you gotta grib back here and

1603
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: then you fucking fling your little body and undercut, you know.

1604
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, what I see now is like people are

1605
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: going out there grab it. But if I'm running next

1606
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: to you, I'm sitting there doing this. I'm banging your

1607
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 1: arm because you can't run. And now when you're so

1608
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: used to of me fighting you, you can't get into

1609
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: your rock because you're worrying about me. Now, you know

1610
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. The certain thing to think about two

1611
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: of the balls in there exactly. So when you when

1612
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: we running side by side, all I do is looking

1613
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: like I'm running with you, but I'm really you know,

1614
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm really hitting you, so you can't go. But that

1615
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: was my my little thing because I had to slow

1616
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: you down. I mean, I can't getting no foot race.

1617
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: You know all the time, you know you used to

1618
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: hit guys on them. Yeah, yeah, always, it's always, it's always,

1619
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: it's always angle and try not to open up the gate.

1620
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: So when you open up the gate and they sit there,

1621
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: just go right, and now they donne stacked you. I'm

1622
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: always going to use that sideline as much as I can,

1623
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If I can get these

1624
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: paws on you. I knew I was stronger than most.

1625
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: You know, I might not have been like that in stature,

1626
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: but I knew I was stronger, and once I put

1627
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: my hands on you, it's over, you know what I mean.

1628
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: It was only a very few receivers that can muscle

1629
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: through that, you know what I mean. So from a

1630
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: receiver standpoint, it was a little different. Now when I

1631
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: can imagine if I happen to go against ground, you know,

1632
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: and I try to have to use more quickness. Now

1633
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: I would have took the challenge. I would have loved

1634
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: the challenge. But like being coached to get around him

1635
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: brew buh bru man, I'm telling you, he was a monster.

1636
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: You know he was. He was big as strong, country strong,

1637
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I kind of grew

1638
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: up and learned in that era where you got the

1639
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: tough receivers, the big tight ends, and then the quick guy.

1640
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: So every week it was something a little different for me.

1641
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: I tell you right now, the receivers right now are

1642
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: pretty damn good though. You look at it, like but

1643
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, you can't can't, you can't hit

1644
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: him and all that. So you look at Jamar Chase

1645
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: like that dude is like, you know, run you. He's

1646
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: he's strong, country strong, Cincinnati. Yeah, I know what I'm saying.

1647
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: He's the best as a receiver. You look at him

1648
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: and I just think he's He's just got a lot

1649
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: of everything. He can. He can fifty to fifty ball you,

1650
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: he can route you, he can out quit you, justin Jefferson,

1651
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: the same thing these guys. But you can't you can't

1652
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: hit him like he used to. Yeah, and it's harder

1653
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: to play.

1654
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: Guess what, you more dominated than this this generation.

1655
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: I would adapt, you know what I mean. But I'll

1656
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 1: say if I played the way that I played, I

1657
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't get no check. You know, you're gonna get

1658
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: fine on everything, you know what I mean. But that's

1659
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: the way it was then, Like you didn't go across

1660
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: the middle like I say, you got you know, Rodney Harrison,

1661
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: Lloyd Milloyd, you're talking about at Water, Brian Dowkas, you

1662
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,839
Speaker 1: talking about you go Ronnie a lot. You go across

1663
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: that middle if you want to, you know what I mean,

1664
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: ray Lewis ed Reed. I mean it was the game

1665
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:21,480
Speaker 1: was a little.

1666
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 2: Way different, and I saw a transition in my career.

1667
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: It was probably thirteen fourteen fifteen is when they started

1668
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: calling shit. Yeah, because I would look at I would

1669
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: watch all my plays after the year and I'd look

1670
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: at like fifteen sixteen of my catches across the middle.

1671
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: I'd be like, early in my career probably would have

1672
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: been out for a week. Yeah shit, you know what

1673
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean. Because the guys that are going for the

1674
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: interception and I'm blowing you up as much or they're

1675
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: they're hesitant because they can't blow you up right, so

1676
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: you so it made you more confident going across the middle.

1677
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: Because I remember when I got hit by Brian Dawkins

1678
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: my rookie year, I saw a star for three weeks.

1679
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: I had to learn how to play and catch with

1680
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: the fucking star because this dude let me up so

1681
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: goddamn herd right Chancellor from fucking the Super Bowl.

1682
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: He lit me up.

1683
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 2: But like as it went on early later, like, guys,

1684
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: it's just changed. And it started with the farming systems

1685
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: and Pop Warner the seven on the seven cans and

1686
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: you know you gotta you gotta get interceptions to get paid.

1687
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: So guys, you ain't getting you ain't getting knockout hits

1688
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: and getting paid any more.

1689
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: People. You know, as players, you adapt to what the

1690
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: game is and say, okay now instead of looking before

1691
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 1: the knockout shot was just as good as a turnover,

1692
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So now you're looking to

1693
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 1: make that play. You're looking to anticipate and make the play.

1694
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: So yes, you can get paid. But at the same time,

1695
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: it's taken away from the game of my in my

1696
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I really think that the game is

1697
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: is watered down. It's one thing with the quarterbacks, because

1698
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: they're the face and all that you need a quarterback.

1699
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, you know, protect them, but everybody else

1700
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: on the damn field, man, it just you rid of

1701
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: that folk. They got rid of the drop the drop

1702
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: hit drop tackle. Yeah, you know where you you get

1703
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: a guy from behind, you just drop your weight. They're

1704
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna make a fun They're gonna make that

1705
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: a penalty. How you supposed to Now if you pick

1706
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: them up and supplex them, that's a penalty too, right.

1707
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to tackle.

1708
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: They just want the point. I think Vegas messed up

1709
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: the game a little bit, you know what I mean,

1710
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: because I mean, think about it. Why do you have

1711
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 1: to sit there and tell everybody who in and who

1712
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 1: were Hey, it's fair play whoever out on the field,

1713
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: that's out on the field. But the reason that you

1714
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: have to report injuries you have to do this is

1715
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: because of Vegas and the points. But they don't want

1716
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: they don't want players to bet, but they still want

1717
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: to make money that way. And I, like I said,

1718
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: I understand the game, but I think you know when

1719
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: you're starting to let so many other outside forces because

1720
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,879
Speaker 1: it's the bottom line. And like I said, I understand

1721
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: business as a businessman, but come on, man, it's taking

1722
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: it's taken away from the game. Man ships the ship

1723
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: soft for twenty years, you would have played for twenty years. Nowadays,

1724
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: as much as it's taken away from the game, the

1725
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: ratings are up twenty three percent last year. From a

1726
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: players standpoint, I mean, guess what, you know why too,

1727
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: Because everybody betting, they're trying to see what they betsy is.

1728
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: They probably ain't the people's watching, not true football fans

1729
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: to guess what they're betting on it. So guess what,

1730
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to follow my money and see I'm gonna

1731
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: get paid. So it's like the casinos. They not making

1732
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: money from the food and all that good ship you

1733
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: see in at the restaurants, liquor and all that. They

1734
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: making money by you going to the table and guess

1735
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: what the sports books you're getting fans that's watching the

1736
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: game because they trying to watch their money because now

1737
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: you can bet on it. That means it's gonna automatically

1738
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a snowball in there and next say

1739
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: it's at the bottom line. But the guys are getting

1740
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: paid a lot more money, which is great. I mean,

1741
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: I'm all for it, but I don't like, like, for instance,

1742
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: a defensive back. And this is where it's a little

1743
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: personal to me. If you're if you're running the route.

1744
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: This is Julian Edeman. He quick as a goddamn cat.

1745
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: So if you come across the middle and you catch

1746
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: the ball, I got, let you get two feet on

1747
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: the ground before I hit you. See, I mean, when

1748
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: the game is going so bad, I mean it's like

1749
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: you got to put feet down and have possession. Randy Moss,

1750
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 1: he too got damn fast, and the game moves too fast.

1751
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm running fast. He running fast. So guess what I

1752
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: was taught. If you touch the ball, I knocked the

1753
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: shit out of you as soon as you go like this.

1754
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: That's how we learned to play the game. So to

1755
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: have to stop that and have to not go full

1756
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: tilt and the risk of getting fine and risk losing money.

1757
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: I think it's taking away the game from a player's perspective,

1758
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 1: but I understand.

1759
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: It is us are players that of our generations and

1760
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: the generations before us. But the young players aren't taught

1761
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: with you were taught, right, you know. So it's the

1762
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: game's just changed.

1763
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's definitely. It's definitely evolving, you know what

1764
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean.

1765
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to around January eighteen, two thousand

1766
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: and four, and this is a segment where we go

1767
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: over pop culture of things going around the world.

1768
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: Number one movie was Along Came paul You ever see

1769
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: that with Ben Stiller? Yeah? I probably. I can't remember it.

1770
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,440
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderstand.

1771
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 3: We were weirdly just talking about this the other night.

1772
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the title, but I can't remember

1773
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: the movie this. I know you remember the song. Yeah,

1774
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, this is my high school prom right here.

1775
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: I know you're right here winning the Super Bowls ye

1776
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 1: over here, Damn Paulo rot oh man uh Victor Mbiana

1777
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: Okay he was born. Man, that's the next face of

1778
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: the league. Man. I mean, somebody that tall, that skillful

1779
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: do that. Man, the league is in trouble because I

1780
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: mean he imagine when he puts on that good fifteen

1781
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: to twenty pounds. Needs to Yeah, he needs to. It's

1782
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: just the kid's nineteen, right, I mean, wait until he's

1783
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five. Who's your NBA team?

1784
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 4: Being from like Western Pa, I didn't really have one.

1785
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean I've always loved of course, everyone's

1786
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan fan, but I was more of a

1787
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Kobe fan anything. But being from Pennsylvania. You know when

1788
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson. You know, I was always rolling

1789
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: with the six just being a Pennsylvania guy. But I

1790
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: had individuals that I like to watching and Allen Man

1791
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: and he's a football guy too, you know, he was

1792
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: a he was a city all right. So Alan Iverson man,

1793
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about. I look for dogs and

1794
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: like say, who is a dog? Sometime time? You can

1795
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: be skillful, you can be tall, fast, god given, but

1796
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: when you have a dog, that's who I love playing with.

1797
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: And when I watched Alan Everson, Kobe Bryant, you know, Jordan,

1798
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: not only were they great, there was actually some damn dogs,

1799
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: you know they you know, like Rodney Harrison dog dog dog. Yeah.

1800
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 3: I think if if our Celtics can get a little

1801
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: more dog in him this year, we're winning it all.

1802
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: I could, you know what, I would love to see

1803
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: it too. But they need to have that dog, you

1804
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: know in the finals. You know what I mean? You

1805
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: can't play pass dog? Huh? Can you explain? I think

1806
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: the dog? The dog is a mentality. You know that.

1807
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: And under any circumstances are you gonna break me, I'm

1808
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna win. I'm gonna every play, even if you knock

1809
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: me down, I'm gonna get back up. I'm gonna come

1810
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: at you the same full tilt all day. And when

1811
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: adversity strikes you still don't drop your head. And you

1812
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: got that mentality that I'm gonna beat you this play.

1813
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: If you beat me, oh the next play, Oh it's own,

1814
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: do it again? You know what I mean? So that's

1815
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: what like we're looking up right there. Kevin Garnett dog dog,

1816
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: all time dog. What's rushmore of dogs? WHOA that's tough,

1817
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: that's tough, I would say, you know, okay, let's just

1818
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: throw out a couple from me sports. Lawrence Taylor dog

1819
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: dog one that just retired, Aaron Donald that is a dog,

1820
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis dog. Rodney Harrison dog. You know what I mean?

1821
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you I'll say here because Rodney Harrison

1822
01:25:54,840 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: is supposed to be in a Pro Football of Fame. No, no, no, okay, no,

1823
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: he's Jimmy Smith dog, Julian Edelman dog. And not just

1824
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: because of you know, I looked at the journey to Okay,

1825
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: you can make plays, you can do all this stuff,

1826
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: but to know how tough he was to be able

1827
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: to go out there and do that and go out

1828
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: there and do what I do. I told Troy Brown,

1829
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: you got me fired, dog, I got hurt Troy Brown

1830
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: playing dB you know, and and did some dog ship

1831
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: picking stuff. He led the league, he led the team

1832
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: and picks you know, you know what I mean. So

1833
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: when you guys, when you guys come in and do

1834
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: that and can do more than just your job, and

1835
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 1: you do it with so much passion, and you're successful

1836
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: because no one expected you to be who you are.

1837
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you expected it, but when you got drafted, or

1838
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: did you get drafted, Okay, you went seven round, damn it.

1839
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: That's basically a free agent bosh. But you're a free

1840
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: agent because you don't have to do two years huh exactly.

1841
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: But no one expected you or they brought you in.

1842
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: They didn't expect you to turn into the only person

1843
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: that can believe that as a dog. And you got

1844
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself because basically, when you get drafted

1845
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: that late, you're coming from another position. You're basically there

1846
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: for a tackling dummy. You're there forgot. You're there for

1847
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: guys like somebody established like myself, to beat up on

1848
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: the exactly so for you to make it. You know,

1849
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: you a dog right there, and then to put it

1850
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: out there and perform, and then you had some of

1851
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: the top corners out there that didn't want to see him.

1852
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: So that right there, you fit in the dog. Tom

1853
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: Brady was a dog dog because from day one he

1854
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: came in there and he wanted to compete. He gonna

1855
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: talk shit, and I'm telling him we used to light

1856
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: him up. But he coming right back at you as

1857
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: a dog on head, bunch you. He gonna fight you.

1858
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: And that wasn't the quarterback that we've seen before.

1859
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: I got a real quick question because I know his

1860
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,440
Speaker 2: octave he gets super.

1861
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: Was it even higher when he was younger? But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1862
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean you know what you know, he when he

1863
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: when he throw out that, you know, you say something

1864
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: like you know, a little higher. You know, he'll sit

1865
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: the f you back and all that, but he will

1866
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: come at you. And he was not no pump. And

1867
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: that's what you know then he ain't no punk. Right there,

1868
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: that was like a compliment, Oh he ain't no pump.

1869
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: You know nowadays it's he ain't no bitch. He ain't

1870
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: no punk, you know what I mean? So that was Tom.

1871
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I look at like receivers like again, Hye's Ward was

1872
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: a dog. He wasn't fast, he wasn't it, but he

1873
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: will sit there and rock you. You know, he will

1874
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: blindside the ship out at you too. So you always

1875
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: got to keep your head on the swivel. So I

1876
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: look at at the tough guys, even even you know,

1877
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: like I said t o Randy Moss was a dog,

1878
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he was tough. Chris Carter,

1879
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin, he will fight you all damn day too,

1880
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I look at so

1881
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: many tough guys, but like just skill everybody and a

1882
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: dog man are.

1883
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: Born with a dog or can you develop the dogs.

1884
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here looking at my seven year old daughter

1885
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing some of this attitude and effort on

1886
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: the flip field right now.

1887
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, I don't know if we got

1888
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: dog in her what, you know what, puppy And my mom,

1889
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: My mom told me, you know, when I was younger,

1890
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: she said, you know you used to get your ass

1891
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: with you know, you wouldn't you wasn't that tough. But

1892
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I remember one time that I came home right and

1893
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: she made me go back out there and fight, you know,

1894
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna go out there and fight.

1895
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: And I started developing. So yes, you can develop the

1896
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: dog and you can develop dog yap the dog development.

1897
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: You could be born into it. To shirt that shirt developed.

1898
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: It's a tie log teacher, right. I develot time and

1899
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: you get that confidence and then it's like when you

1900
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: realize that you got to believe in yourself. That was

1901
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: my whole thing, was always believing in myself with no

1902
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: matter what anybody thinks. That's that's what a dog is.

1903
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: A dog is someone who believes in himself no matter

1904
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:45,879
Speaker 2: what the situation.

1905
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, the.

1906
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Situation is against you. If the world is against you,

1907
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 2: still still think you're gonna do it is when you

1908
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready.

1909
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: They say the same thing with like like everybody asks

1910
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: me with the vaka. If you go to any liquor store,

1911
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: the vodka hour is always the biggest because you can

1912
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: make it with so many things. You can make it

1913
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: with you know, corn wheat, you know rye, even making

1914
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: it with cheese, grapes, all that. And they was like,

1915
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: why would you go into vodka when you got a

1916
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: guy like Tito's out there? You know everybody. I love

1917
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: his story, you know what I mean. He worked and

1918
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: he's the number one out there. But you know my

1919
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: attitude is hell. I can cover jay Rice, Random, mas Teo,

1920
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, damn it, I can cover Tito's ass. Too

1921
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: much respect to Tito for real, man, because his story

1922
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: is incredible, but it's inspiring in a way. But you

1923
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: can't be afraid to go out there and give it

1924
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: a shot if you believe in your product, you know

1925
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: which I believe more so than anything. I know my

1926
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: product is good, you know what I mean. So if

1927
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: you put liquid the lips, you put it in there.

1928
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere else, I promise you.

1929
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of dogs, how crazy is it with was? I

1930
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 2: was looking at Aaron McNair, Steve McNair. He was a dog,

1931
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 2: a McNair's dog. Oh damn right, how they have co

1932
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 2: m vps. It was Steve McNair and Peyton Manning. You

1933
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: guys beat both the m vps to go to the

1934
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year.

1935
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: I hope you know that. Oh I did not. There

1936
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: was coin vps like mild I've never heard of that,

1937
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: because because we beat him in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah,

1938
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: we beat him in the playoffs beat two m dnps

1939
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: to go to the fucking super Bowl. That is that

1940
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: is crazy. But how do you get a co v P?

1941
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Like who who's the panel? You know? I mean I

1942
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: got co VP of the Pro Bowl one year? Right, yeah,

1943
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: it was crazy, right? How many interceptions you have in

1944
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl because we were watching it? Yeah yeah,

1945
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: yeah so but co VP. So it was myself in

1946
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Key Sean. And ain't no cost sponsors behind that. Hell,

1947
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: we got us a goddamn plaque. Man, I'm like, what

1948
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: a car? You know what I mean? What no cost?

1949
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: But I'm always like a little short end of the stick,

1950
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: even though like the Super Bowl, right, you know, people

1951
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: according to the papers, you know, not taking any thing,

1952
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: wait from from goat Brady. But I was supposed to

1953
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: be an that's what they say it, right, that's the

1954
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: first year that they went on the internet. Came up short,

1955
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 1: but got defensive Player of the game. Yeah where Brady

1956
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: got a car? Disney World? You know what I got

1957
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: goddamn Belover Watch Blover, Blover b you blow over Yeah, yeah,

1958
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: I got I got me one of them. Defensive That's

1959
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I'm always playing a little dollar short.

1960
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: The year I got super VP was the first year

1961
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: they didn't give cars cap yours either. No car. You

1962
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: got the plaque. Now I got that ball, silver ball

1963
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: where right there? That that silver ball, that's you, Bullship,

1964
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that Tiffany. Tiffany's nice hand show ball. But you called it.

1965
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: You signed and tell Tom to sign it, man ship.

1966
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna tell Tom to sign anything

1967
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: signed that right there, Sign that right there, now you

1968
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But then they have a car sponsor.

1969
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: It was the first year they stopped doing the car

1970
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 2: wow because you remember, like Dion used to.

1971
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: Drive his Cadillac. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he used to drive.

1972
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: They always drive their Super Bowl truck and every once

1973
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: in a while, yeah yeah wow, I never got one.

1974
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 3: They would they would bust out the Super Bowl car

1975
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 3: every once in a while.

1976
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you know he's see because Deon came back to

1977
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: us and he'd have this fucking twelve.

1978
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: Year old or like eight year old Cadillac eight year old.

1979
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: The year before the Pro Bowl, I think I was second,

1980
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: and because you know, I was getting the picks and

1981
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: car sponsored year, me and Keishawn got no sponsor. The

1982
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: next year, car sponsor again, I'm like, God, damn, he

1983
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: took a free car without you gotta pay TAXI man,

1984
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: were just the story more the story of that tech

1985
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 1: your car we had paid.

1986
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 3: Maning on here and he said he took that ship.

1987
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 3: Seriously in the Pro Bowl, he wanted the car.

1988
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: No, the game was a little bit different. We did

1989
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: play because man, it's so goddamn expensive over there. Man,

1990
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: So by the time you fly all your people over

1991
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: there and stuff like that, it's like, man, when it

1992
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: gets when it comes play cutting time, dany third fourth quarter,

1993
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: Like in the third quarter, fourth court, you see where

1994
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: you at. It's time to play ball. Because that's the

1995
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: difference in the checks, you know what I mean. You mean,

1996
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: you go from twelve thousand to twenty five thousand, So

1997
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: hey were trying to get that twenty five geez back

1998
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 1: then because he's playing tickets and all that. She was

1999
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of money bringing to everybody over day, you

2000
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

2001
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 3: So you know we got up there, Jackie, Oh should

2002
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 3: we should we run through these teams real quick? Set

2003
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 3: the stage for this game.

2004
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: Set the stage. We'll jump into the game.

2005
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: This back to these uh these o three to oh

2006
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 3: four Indianapolis Colts, led by Peyton Manning. As we talked

2007
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 3: about earlier, some other dogs on this team, Marvin Harrison,

2008
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 3: Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne even not a Loki dog at kicker,

2009
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 3: Mike vander Jack guy was kind of he was kind

2010
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 3: of yoked. He was a tough kicker. Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis,

2011
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Dallas Clark's rookie season Cato June. They won the f

2012
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 3: SEE South. For all you division heads out there, there's

2013
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 3: only the second year of the AFC South. Colts were

2014
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 3: in the AFC East before that, so we had plenty

2015
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 3: of see We had plenty of time seeing Peyton Manning

2016
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: before that. And this was also a year oh three

2017
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning where he still kind of had that rep

2018
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 3: of a guy that couldn't really get it done in

2019
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Oh in three record entering this game in

2020
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 3: playoff games, even though he didn't win MVP this year,

2021
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 3: going VP that.

2022
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 1: Is, Did you guys hate the Colts as much as

2023
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: we hated the Colts in our era? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

2024
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: because really because we felt like and like I said,

2025
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: love you know, Peyton, but you always ride with your guys.

2026
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: But even with all the success that we was having,

2027
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: Peyton was still the face of the league. It wasn't

2028
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It was always you know, Peyton and whatever

2029
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: he was doing, you know. And of course you look

2030
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: at how many you know, Hall of famers, you know,

2031
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: they got up there, you know what I mean, it's like,

2032
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: come on, man, and they got they got all the

2033
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: love they got, they got they got to love man.

2034
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: So we we used that as energy. We thought we

2035
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: were the better team. We thought we were tougher. They

2036
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: were more you know, I guess they was more of

2037
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 1: a finess team. But we always tried to look at

2038
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: us as a tough team, you know, man, exactly, exactly exactly,

2039
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. And you knew they were

2040
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: going to put the game all the time in Peyton's hand.

2041
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: So as defensive backs, we love, we love to take

2042
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: that challenge. So that means if they put it in

2043
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: your hands, you got to be whipping my hands. So

2044
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: that's how I was like, no, that it's time to play.

2045
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: What were the keys to stopping Peyton, you know what?

2046
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Switching it up? You know, as far as like the

2047
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: looks even though Peyton is smart enough and no, no

2048
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: enough as a as a quarterback, that we messing with him,

2049
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: just like he messed with us. Like he coming up

2050
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 1: there doing all these handsickens half the time, ain't saying ship,

2051
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, and say omaha, what is home omaha mean?

2052
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: But we we would just start hollering out dumb ship too.

2053
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 1: We'll holler at omaha. We'll holler out beef jerky, yeah, something,

2054
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, just to you know, try just a combatant

2055
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: combat right. But for me, I've never in my fifteen

2056
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: years of playing and ever was threatened by a quarterback.

2057
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: I took a different approach and I always respected it.

2058
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care if we're playing against Aaron Rodgers,

2059
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: Payton Manning, Damn Marina, whoever it was. I'm like, I

2060
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: gotta worry about you. I'm covering you. So if I

2061
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 1: got you covered, what the hell I got to worry about?

2062
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: You know them folk? If they a so, I'm doing

2063
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: my job right here. A lot of people get caught

2064
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: up into the quarterback. But if you got the receiver cup,

2065
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: he has to do a perfect ball if I'm draped

2066
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: all over you. So I was never threatened by a

2067
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: quarterback because I had enough to worry about, you know,

2068
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: covering the receiver and the only quarterback that I've ever

2069
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: played to where he made you think like, damn he different,

2070
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Damn Marino. He was the only quarterback that I know

2071
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: that can place the ball at least from my experience,

2072
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: somewhere where the receiver got the best chance to catch

2073
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. He was He was that guy as

2074
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 1: far as that for me, perfect pass, the perfect pass

2075
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: is uncoverable, right, And he was the only one that

2076
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: can do it like that. And then he didn't have

2077
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: a whine up. Dan was like, you know, he was

2078
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,560
Speaker 1: able to just short arm inflect that thing and you

2079
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: had to pick it up. So when I got my

2080
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: first pick off of then, man, I found his ass

2081
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: after the game. Man. You know, I was a Pittsburgh guy.

2082
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: I had him sign that ball. Man. I was a

2083
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: fan boy. It was my second year league. I mean,

2084
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: mister Marino, could you sign? He was a good sport.

2085
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: I still got the super Bowl at dinner? Cool? Yeah,

2086
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: man is cool Dan, It's cool as hell. Man. He

2087
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: was just chilling. Yeah, you know, great, great player. I

2088
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 1: even my first NFL interception was off you know, a

2089
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: great you know, Jim Kelly. But when I got that

2090
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: one off of Damn Marino. Like I said, being a

2091
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy, I was like, man, I was not getting

2092
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: on that plane back to New England until I get

2093
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: this ball signed. That's crazy because I remember, you know

2094
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: by the end, that's what guys are doing to Tom

2095
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 1: if they picked him. Oh yeah, hell yeah yeah. You

2096
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: know that's some crazy legend for people to have the balls. Yeah,

2097
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: to take the ball that you picked off of exactly.

2098
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta shoot your shot, yeah, I mean

2099
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: you got to. I mean, and then, but it's also

2100
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: a sign, you know, a respect. And I knew I

2101
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: was getting old when when we were playing I think

2102
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: he was playing Tennessee and playing against one of the

2103
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: young guys. I don't even know who he was, you know.

2104
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: And after the game he caught like a little bullshit

2105
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: but was no touchdown, nothing like daddy. He wanted me

2106
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: to sign it for him, talking about Man, I had

2107
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: you on my wall man this and that. I'm like, Ship,

2108
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm getting old. It's time to go, you know what

2109
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm getting old When you got somebody that

2110
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: was a little kid and telling you that you were

2111
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: on the wall and all that stuff, and it's like, man,

2112
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: you want to sign it like a little yeah seven yeah,

2113
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: a little seven eight yards yeah that yeah. Now, can

2114
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: you imagine if Dan Marino played in this generation, you

2115
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: got to be a little mobile in this generation. Now,

2116
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: Damn Renal, you know, the big ass cleats. His might

2117
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: have been bigger than Tom right there. He was like, yeah, exactly.

2118
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 1: But his arm talent was incredible though. I mean people,

2119
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, yes, man, when you talk about pure you

2120
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: know throwers, you know, and accuracy, Damn Marino was. Damn

2121
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: Marino was that dude. I've really never picked off a

2122
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: ball that hurt your hands like Drew Blest or Drew

2123
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Bless who had one of the strongest, you know arms.

2124
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: Like he was like, no, I didn't get far far,

2125
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: they't mess with me. We was at the super Bowl

2126
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: when we played him in ninety six, and you know, Antonio,

2127
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: good friend. He's like, you know, before the game, you know,

2128
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 1: we just sized each other up, warmed up, and Frame

2129
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you you ain't gonna get no action today.

2130
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: In my second year, I'm sitting there like, oh, he

2131
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: about today about to try to set my ass up.

2132
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: So now I'm really on guard, you know, and show

2133
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: enough that whole game, you know, Brett, And then Brett

2134
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: came out before that. He was like, all, you ain't

2135
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: get no action to I guess young Buck, you know too,

2136
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna get no action to day. So I'm

2137
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: still thinking coming from Freeming him, they're trying to set

2138
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: me up showing up. He didn't mess with me. You know,

2139
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

2140
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 2: We were interviewing Ernie and he said, specifically for when

2141
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: you guys played the Colts, he would dedicate an hour

2142
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 2: of the day just to study them. And he would

2143
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 2: started in November, early November, just because he always knew

2144
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: it'd come down, so you had to. And do you

2145
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 2: remember the game plan for this specific game?

2146
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: You know what?

2147
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 2: He said, You guys completely changed it up. You went

2148
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 2: to cover four because they used to love that ram pass.

2149
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: That seem so that you guys covered up the seams

2150
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 2: with the cover four in this game, and it fucked up.

2151
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: You know what for Like I was always worried about it,

2152
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: Like whatever Bruski said, Dude, I was playing, I was

2153
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: always yeah, yeah, that's what they used to do with Reeves. Yeah,

2154
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: where you know, like you could be playing Zone but

2155
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: they would just say you're over here. Yeah, exactly. And

2156
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: that's where I was, you know, you know, with it

2157
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: and man and whoever was on my side receiver, I covered,

2158
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, I covered like it was man. You know,

2159
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean, like say, we might say we're rolling or anything,

2160
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 1: we'll give you a shell. But you know, Bruski and them,

2161
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: you got to give those guys so much, you know, credit,

2162
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: because you know, not only did they protect the run,

2163
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: you got the great Edger and James up there, them

2164
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: running up the scene with those tight ends and that

2165
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: was calling those guys. It's like, bro Bruski had a

2166
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: hell of a job trying and then trying to keep

2167
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: my ass right. He trying to make sure everybody else

2168
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: right do his job, you know what I mean, Man,

2169
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski was an all time great man, all the time.

2170
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: Now, Super Bowl Week we'll get into the New England Patriots.

2171
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 2: But real quick, do you remember anything different going in

2172
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 2: this year?

2173
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: Guys? This is your third Super Bowl? This is you

2174
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: guys lost, No, we lost my second year, then we

2175
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: won the the Rams. Yeah, this is so this will

2176
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: be your third Super Bowl appearance. Right with did you

2177
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: feel like you had an advantage for Carolina? Carolina, you're

2178
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 1: having an.

2179
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 2: Advantage just because you guys experience, yes, experienced it.

2180
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought we had advantage. But at the same time,

2181
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: we were also those guys before you know, you know,

2182
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: on the come up. You know, we came in and

2183
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: and uh, hey, we we wanted to win. So just

2184
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: the last game as you know, playing and uh, as

2185
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 1: many as you've played in man, it's like anybody can

2186
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: win that game. And they started off hit us with

2187
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: the big one quick, you know what I mean. You

2188
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: know it was a jake, the loan. You know, he

2189
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: running around, he talking all kinds of ship. But now

2190
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: we had we had Tom Brady, you know what I mean,

2191
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 1: and that and now by that time, you know, it

2192
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: was when he was with us. You know, first that's

2193
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You know who he started to be in

2194
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 1: that time. Come Tom mother fucking Brady. That's a difference.

2195
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: See we had like you, we had Tom Brady. You

2196
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 1: had Tom motherfucking Brady. See that, that's who he was

2197
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: that at that time. So when you have that, and

2198
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: we knew if we stayed in here, you're drinking Tom exactly.

2199
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I had chiseled jaw, amocado, yeah, beautiful hair, yeah, skin complexion,

2200
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:12,520
Speaker 2: and how do you smell good after practice.

2201
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: Tom. So when you got that, man, we were like,

2202
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: we knew what we had. All we had to do

2203
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: was now you don't mess up. Now we don't mess

2204
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: up because we know we give you a chance you

2205
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 1: don't already proved it time and time getting not just

2206
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: in the big games, but any game you know we're

2207
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna win. And Tom, like I said, I've never seen

2208
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 1: anybody like him when it comes to being so cool

2209
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 1: and calm under pressure, set one man football, and that's

2210
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: Adam Vinit Terry. Yo, Bro, you talking about somebody is

2211
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 1: like no fear, you know, Like imagine going up there

2212
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,679
Speaker 1: and you just got to take that free throw as

2213
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: easy as it might be to have to take that,

2214
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: all the pressure and everything riding on you. That's why

2215
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I say they need to bronze Damn Foot like Tom

2216
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: need to have his statue, of course, but they need

2217
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: to have a big ass replica of Adam Van Terry

2218
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: Foot somewhere around on that stadium, you know what I mean,

2219
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 1: somewhere Put Adam for real. I mean I didn't even

2220
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: see I mean, after watching the Dynasty, I didn't even

2221
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 1: know he was on the team. Huh he was.

2222
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackie said, Patriot, all.

2223
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Right, let's run through this roster. We've talked a lot

2224
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 3: about this era. Pats a team full of dogs. We

2225
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 3: thought that Colts had some dogs. I mean, god, dang,

2226
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 3: it was like Kat's compared to England.

2227
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: These are the dogs, Baby.

2228
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 3: Brady, Kevin Falk, Patrick pass and Twine Smith, Deon Branch,

2229
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 3: Troy Brown. I mean, that's just offense right there. On

2230
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 3: the defense, we got Jarvis Green huge this game, sack

2231
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 3: and left and right. It seemed like we got Tie

2232
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 3: of course, Anthony Pleasant, Richard seymour.

2233
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Ty, Warren.

2234
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 3: This defense up a league low fourteen point nine points

2235
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 3: a game. We didn't lose at home all season eight

2236
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 3: to no. Bounced back from what people call the Lawyer

2237
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 3: Malloy game in Week one, Yeah, got whooped thirty one nothing,

2238
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 3: then ended the season doing the same thing, reversing the score,

2239
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 3: beating the Bills thirty one nothing, fourteen and two record.

2240
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 3: I mean, heck of a team.

2241
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,879
Speaker 1: Man, look at that list. Oh man, that was some bullshit.

2242
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, I was

2243
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: hurt because you know that was that was my brother,

2244
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 1: that was one of my best friends on the team.

2245
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: You know, man, we kind of like that was the dB.

2246
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: That was our UH. That was our room. You know,

2247
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 1: me and Laurd we was the two heads of the

2248
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: UH of the room. And when they let him go,

2249
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: especially being a captain, you know, every year, Lawyer was

2250
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 1: that type of guy. Man. He was a great He

2251
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: was a great leader. Like that's the only thing, like

2252
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: I clown a little bit about, you know, his speeches sometime,

2253
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, is that you can't have something to say

2254
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 1: every day? Got that? I mean sometime we could just

2255
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: go on the fuck home, man, you know what I mean.

2256
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: But that was Lawyer for you man, My brother loved

2257
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 1: to death and I was. I was hurt. And then

2258
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: when they brought in Rodney, you know, so now it

2259
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: was that thing because I wasn't the biggest fan of Rodney,

2260
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: you know when he came in, because you know, one,

2261
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't with us and respected his game, but he

2262
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: was always the competitor. And what really turned me off

2263
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 1: from Rodney. And like I said, I didn't even know

2264
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Roddy like that at the time. I just knew he

2265
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: was a you know, a hell of a player. But

2266
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, he would come in and put on the

2267
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: tape for the DB's and we ain't even playing san Diego.

2268
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 1: We watching San Diego. Foe. He was like, see this,

2269
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 1: like seeing what we ain't playing them. It's Rodney Harrison

2270
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: running around like a mad man, just everything he was

2271
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 1: doing one hundred miles, just knocking a shit out of people.

2272
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what the hell that got to

2273
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: do with us? He said, this is how, this is

2274
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: how you play. Ain't no fucking loaf in here. And

2275
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Rodney wasn't like Rodney's in San Diego, you know what

2276
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he ain't get here yet. So I remembered that,

2277
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sing, and they're like, man, f Rodney Harrison, Man,

2278
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: fuck him, you know what I mean. And when he came,

2279
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, okay, now he's part of the team.

2280
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, you see him play much respect whatever. But

2281
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: then they let Lawyer go, so then that went back

2282
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 1: to where it's like, hold on, man, he came in

2283
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: here with that bullshit and now they even cut my

2284
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: brother this and that. But Rodney was just one of

2285
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 1: those type of guys that man, you had to respect you.

2286
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 1: He earned it, he earned it, but man, and he

2287
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: didn't need to earn anything from me. He was already

2288
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison, but to see his work athlete, his practice habits,

2289
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: and he made you step your game up. And then

2290
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 1: when you're out there on the field with him, you'd

2291
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this is different. You know.

2292
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: It's like for instant, your example, Lawyer, I'd be like, Lawyer,

2293
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: I see this, I'm about to jump this shit. He

2294
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: was like, you paid all that money. Cover that motherfucker.

2295
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 1: That's lawyer with holidays. You can you get paid all

2296
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:51,879
Speaker 1: that money? Cover that mother I'm saying, I see someone jumping. Rodney. Hey, Rodney,

2297
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 1: I see this man. He's like, got you go go

2298
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: go take it, take it, you know what I mean.

2299
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 1: It was just that type of Dynamic's like lawyer was

2300
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: ready to go knock the hell out of something and

2301
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: he will put it. So it was a great dynamic.

2302
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: I could have just imagined if we can all play together, man,

2303
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: with Lloyd Malloy and Rodney Harrison, you're talking about no

2304
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: flies on. You couldn't go nowhere but Rodney Harrison. You know,

2305
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 1: like I said, it was one of the greatest to

2306
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 1: ever play the game. And like I said, he should

2307
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I want

2308
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: to say that here right now, because I've been saying

2309
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: that forever. There's only two guys in the history of

2310
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: the game that got thirty picks in thirty sacs, Ray

2311
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Lewis being one of them. We praised Ray for being,

2312
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, the all time great, you know, the goat,

2313
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: but somebody did it before him, and his name is

2314
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison. He did it first, but he don't get

2315
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: the same admiration or anything for that particular stat And

2316
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: if you look at the stats with all the Hall

2317
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: of Famers, Rodney Harrison is right there with every safety

2318
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: that's in the Hall of Fame right now and getting

2319
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: looked over for what reason, I don't know. But one

2320
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 1: of the best that I ever played with Monster. I mean,

2321
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: we heard about how hard he practiced ruh and and

2322
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,719
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill loved it. But he made you step

2323
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: your game up, you know what I mean. So Rodney,

2324
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, a respect because you know, you just don't

2325
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,799
Speaker 1: give out anything. Heat sit there and took his respect.

2326
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: And the way he played the game, man, you had

2327
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 1: to sit there and say hat soft man, and a

2328
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of times you got to follow his lead. Man,

2329
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:18,560
Speaker 1: that's the type of guy that he was. From a

2330
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: leadership standpoint, the way he played the game. And if

2331
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to any foxhole, damn, we're gonna get

2332
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 1: out with Rodney. Yeah, who's the unsung hero of the

2333
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 1: team this year? This year and three oh tomorrow and

2334
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: three I think the unsung hero when you look at

2335
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: all those names, I was, like, I always say, Troy Brown.

2336
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Troy Brown is just one of those guys that when

2337
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 1: you need a damn play, Troy is gonna be the

2338
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:46,600
Speaker 1: one to do it, you know what I mean. And

2339
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: like Troy Brown was an absolute dog, just like yourself.

2340
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: Troy got cut a couple of times, you know, I

2341
01:50:57,080 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: think twice, and you know after later, you know they've

2342
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:04,640
Speaker 1: been trying to replace Troy Brown for I don't know

2343
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 1: how damn long. But you couldn't, you know, you couldn't

2344
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: throw them away and for him to you know, Like

2345
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 1: I said, I look at you guys very similar in

2346
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 1: the way you played the game. As far as being tough,

2347
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: being the dog, it ain't. But you as a receiver

2348
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 1: that went over to play dB, that came from when

2349
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 1: you came from, Troy was more of a returner you

2350
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 1: know as well, and to come play defense and being

2351
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 1: that tough guy making the plays when it mattered most.

2352
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: Being small in stature, you know, big attitude and crazy

2353
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 1: dog when it comes to, you know, competing. That's who

2354
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: I look at it and say, man, Troy Brown did.

2355
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't high, wasn't high draft, It wasn't the fastest guy,

2356
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest guy. We caught him little dude, you

2357
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's the Troy's name, Little dude,

2358
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: little dude to whooped that ass. You know, don't sleep

2359
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: on it. Troy. He's always been any classacked dude, absolutely

2360
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: class Absolutely, he was always around as a coach. But

2361
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,799
Speaker 1: you know he would always we'd always have a connection

2362
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 1: just because you know, he knew what I was going through.

2363
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 1: And you know he mean connects you on that play

2364
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 1: because he went through it. I'm telling you. They tried

2365
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: so many times to replace him or bring somebody else

2366
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 1: in the Troy always ended him. It's kind of like

2367
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 1: OLDA Smith, same thing. Yeah, you know, olda Smith. He

2368
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 1: was a great mentor to me, you know, one of

2369
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 1: like like I wouldn't be the player that I am

2370
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: without you know, a guy like OLDA Smith that's taking

2371
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: me under the wing and telling me, you know what

2372
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: to do, how to be a pro jack. Let's let's

2373
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 1: see this game lead off, lead up to this game.

2374
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 3: This is the AFC Championship game. So to get there,

2375
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 3: Patriots had to beat co VP Steve McNair and the

2376
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 3: Titans seventeen fourteen, a tough one, and then Denver was

2377
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 3: bawling out. They had to play in the wild card.

2378
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 3: I mean not Denver. I'm looking at Denver here Indy,

2379
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 3: and he had to beat Denver put up forty one.

2380
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 3: Then they beat Kansas City put up thirty six. The

2381
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 3: offense was clicking, which just made the performance that this

2382
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,919
Speaker 3: Patriots defense came out and laid even that much more impressive.

2383
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 3: The Patriots hadn't lost in Week four playing the Redskins,

2384
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 3: so they were just on a roll. And this was

2385
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 3: the first playoff meeting between the Patriots and Indy, the

2386
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 3: first of many, which is crazy. Brady Brady owned the

2387
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 3: Colts up until this point. It's worth noting six and

2388
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 3: oh in uh, it starts against the Colts to this point.

2389
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 1: His first start was against the Colts after the Jets game.

2390
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: You guys won, then you guys lost three ye right, yeah, okay,

2391
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: that's when we hit him for three right there right.

2392
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:33,679
Speaker 1: Usually certain games is you just hot. It ain't nothing

2393
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: that you can do that nobody can cover you. It

2394
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: was one of those games where that is nothing that

2395
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 1: you could have done, you know, to beat me. That

2396
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 1: did you just feel it? I ain't felt that way

2397
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: in a long time. You don't. It don't come all

2398
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 1: the time, I tell you that day lying, But that

2399
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,680
Speaker 1: particular game, I didn't care who you threw out there

2400
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: in front of me. I just had a feeling that,

2401
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, you just got that glow like Bruce Leroy

2402
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 1: up in this month, I heard I heard the NFL

2403
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: planned this thing in the football this game. It was

2404
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 1: called the ugly Finder, So whoever had the most it

2405
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: was just the ball would find the ugly guy them.

2406
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: I love that hip. I love But you know what,

2407
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: like you said, we're always one little, one day short,

2408
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 1: one week short. Why could I do that in Super Bowl?

2409
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You found Like I mean,

2410
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it happened though, so we got in

2411
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:23,639
Speaker 1: the duble. But I mean that's the kind of game,

2412
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 1: the game that you want to feel and you want

2413
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: to have in the Super Bowl.

2414
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 4: Man, you gotta be careful because Rodney Harrison had the

2415
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:31,600
Speaker 4: other interception.

2416
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: Man, oh he'll hit you here, he might hit me.

2417
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm my back back and all that ship.

2418
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 3: Yo, that one handed one in the second quarter, like

2419
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 3: that was it?

2420
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: Man? Oh yeah, that's the third drive drive Yeah yeah man.

2421
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 1: And that one right there was when we had it

2422
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 1: was one of those cover tues where you know they're

2423
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: trying to get you back on that seventh you know, yeah, yeah,

2424
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get the good jam off the

2425
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: off ben and and he floated it, you know what

2426
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean. I said, you know what I was willing

2427
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: to give up up, you know, the low underneath one,

2428
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you know Peyton trying

2429
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 1: to win, Peyton be and Peyton being confident, and he

2430
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 1: put it up there and that just that just started everything. Man.

2431
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 2: Now look at your chops when you saw the forecast

2432
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 2: thirty two.

2433
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 1: And so absolutely absolutely because the games down. Man, it

2434
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: slows the game down. And yet we knew we were

2435
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: tough guys, you know what I mean. So this falls

2436
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 1: right into us. I mean, you guys are playing in

2437
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: the dome, you know what I mean. It's it's it's

2438
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: a different ball game I had. This is real this

2439
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 1: is real deal football, you know what I mean. So

2440
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: in thirteen when when Peyton was on Denver and the

2441
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: AFC Championship, we go out to fucking Denver and we're.

2442
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 2: Praying, like, oh, I think we're gonna get Snow. It's

2443
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 2: gonna be she They turned out be seventy five and sunny.

2444
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: They beat us. Yo, we're hopings, hey man, you know what,

2445
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: and like after you know games, you know, like this, Okay,

2446
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 1: we wining there. But when we went to play the

2447
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: rams Bro on the greatest show on turf in the Dome,

2448
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 1: everybody thought that we was gonna get our asses whip.

2449
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: I think to this day we distilled the biggest underdogs

2450
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 1: from a betting standpoint. Yeah, in Super Bowl history. That

2451
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: was flat out fucking disrespectful. Ernie.

2452
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Ernie asked me to ask you about Bobby Hamilton. Bobby Hamilton,

2453
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 2: we shocked the world, he said. He said, he found

2454
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 2: out in two thousand and one, you guys were what

2455
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 2: h and for something or your two and two and

2456
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 2: he felt like the team clicked in a practice or

2457
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 2: it was in the year before that, and when you

2458
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 2: mother fucked Bobby Hamilton. You and him got in a fight, okay, yeah, yeah,

2459
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,160
Speaker 2: he didn't come in and communicate the motion.

2460
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, me and Bobby Man, that's my guy right there,

2461
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 1: like you're talking about hilarious dude. But Bobby was always

2462
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 1: super intense when it came to football. He had to

2463
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 1: fight his way to get to where he was at.

2464
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 1: And like, dude was coming down and I didn't call

2465
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: out the crack and it didn't even hit Bobby, it was.

2466
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: It was one of the other you know, outside linebackers

2467
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: line at the time. And so Bobby, of course, you know,

2468
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 1: come being Bobby getting up in my face, and now

2469
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's where the oupha was coming at.

2470
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm about to go at it, you know,

2471
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 1: with his ass, you know, three hundred pounds ass. But

2472
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I ain't. That's when the al

2473
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 1: equipper come out. There ain't no bitches around here now,

2474
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 1: would let let's go, you know, So we started going

2475
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 1: at it. Didn't he come out of the line, and

2476
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: here come to DB's knowing that we can't beat them,

2477
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. From besides, especially when Willie's

2478
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: big ass come up in there, you know, what I mean,

2479
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, exactly, Debo come up

2480
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 1: in there. But it was just one of those things

2481
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 1: that that's how we were, you know what I mean.

2482
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: So you expected me to do my job. He was

2483
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: protecting his d lineman by coming at me saying, God,

2484
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 1: damn it, call out the crack, you know what I mean. Yeah,

2485
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: I could have called out the crack, you know, and

2486
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,080
Speaker 1: I think I did. He might not have heard it.

2487
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 1: But if I didn't and he didn't hear, it's still,

2488
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, my fault. But you are not to come

2489
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,160
Speaker 1: in here and that like you, my mama. I'm a

2490
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: grown ass man, so you're gonna talk to me with

2491
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 1: a certain type of you know, respect, And that's how

2492
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: it was. But that's just how we did. But guess

2493
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 1: what what we're doing after practice? Where we're going, you

2494
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where we drinking that and it's

2495
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 1: all love, you know what I mean. We will sit there,

2496
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 1: we can go to blows on the sideline in the practice.

2497
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, be some real scratch man. Afterwards. Man,

2498
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: it's all love. Were eating wings and drinking.

2499
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 2: That's what Ernie said, though he said that was when

2500
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 2: he saw the team started to gel.

2501
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: What did you think you guys? Uh, you guys were

2502
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a super Bowl caliber team. He goes, it

2503
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: was just a third down practice Week five. We were zero

2504
01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 1: and four and it's when Ty and Hamilton got into it.

2505
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: I shot there and it was like start the stick,

2506
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 1: start this stick Yep, he b hamm and he gonna

2507
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 1: come right at you. But it was like, you know

2508
01:58:57,360 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, the big guys, they

2509
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,560
Speaker 1: think they gonna come at the I think it's going no, no,

2510
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 1: that's not happening.

2511
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 2: Beat by Derek Burgess because I was when I was

2512
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 2: on scout team the Raiders and years, and he like

2513
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 2: I had to do something. It was on the fucking

2514
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 2: card right to go hit him and he got he

2515
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 2: like mushed me for no reason after the play, and

2516
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 2: I fucking mushed him back. We almost started throwing blows

2517
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 2: and Derek Bridges probably hated. He didn't like he was

2518
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 2: kind of in his own world, you know, he felt

2519
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 2: like an outside Yeah.

2520
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, after that he was my dog, though he respected

2521
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 1: the out. It was a guy I don't know if

2522
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,480
Speaker 1: you remember his name. His name was Sean Morey, went

2523
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: to Brown Universe. He was a receiver no one expected him,

2524
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 1: and they gave him a tryout out of Brown receiver.

2525
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: He was. He was an eleven to twelve year special

2526
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: team guy, just running down on kickoff. He was like,

2527
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, uh a Matthew Slater at that time. He

2528
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 1: was that type of guy and he he had some

2529
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: success play eleven years. Who do you do when you

2530
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: come into the yard. He tried to pick on, pick

2531
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 1: on the big guy. I'm the guy with the name right,

2532
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 1: So he came right at me hard all day, you

2533
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And we got into it and

2534
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: I had to twist him up a little bit. But

2535
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:12,760
Speaker 1: after practice I had to give him some love, man,

2536
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: because look, he trying to make the team. I'm already established.

2537
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:19,960
Speaker 1: He's a free agent, you know, basically just got an

2538
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 1: opportunity because like he went to Brown, he earned everything. Man.

2539
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 1: So I look at Sean mulray or he was a

2540
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 1: dog because he wasn't afraid to come at me. You know,

2541
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 1: sometime if you want a guy, you go out the

2542
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 1: wrong guy, you're gonna get cut now. Sean, man, he

2543
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:36,280
Speaker 1: always gonna have my respect. And I haven't ever got

2544
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: to tell him this in person outside of the time

2545
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 1: afterwards the practice. It was good man. I had to,

2546
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know, buy him a beer. Man. I said, man,

2547
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:46,160
Speaker 1: you keep working, bro, and keep working. You gotta respect

2548
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: guys like that, got it. I mean that those are

2549
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 1: the I was one of those guys, you know, I

2550
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 1: had to do that kind of ship. Yeah, but can

2551
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 1: you walk us through beat for beat? The pick six,

2552
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 1: he's an easy one, that was. That was one of

2553
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 1: the easy you know, you know picks like because I

2554
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: always give credit to Rabel. You know, Rabel, you know,

2555
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,800
Speaker 1: made him Aaron flow. It was one of those things

2556
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 1: where you know, he did the same thing that Indy

2557
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:13,200
Speaker 1: used to do and start putting Marvin in motions. So

2558
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: they put Isaac in motion so I couldn't get him

2559
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. And it was one of

2560
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: those places you had to back off, you going to

2561
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 1: motion and you just seen it, you're coming. Rabel got

2562
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 1: through so clean that okay, now I'm just reading him.

2563
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 1: And then it was an Aaron throw. So I said,

2564
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Hesitan case Isaac because he had an

2565
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 1: Isaac can route. He would rap the hell out of you.

2566
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:34,840
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, you're playing for the double move.

2567
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 1: It might be because I didn't know because he wasn't

2568
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:38,960
Speaker 1: going in motion like that until then. So I was

2569
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of trying to feel it out. So what type

2570
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 1: of games is gonna be? And Rabel came in there

2571
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:46,680
Speaker 1: and he wind back the thought. I'm like, you bullshit,

2572
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 1: he dude, it come on, man, come on, Kirk, you

2573
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it was coming like it

2574
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,520
Speaker 1: was slow motion. I was sitting like, oh, this is

2575
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,720
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's the kind of shit you dropped

2576
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 1: because it's so easy. It's so easy and rop it.

2577
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: But you know, once I got it, man, all you

2578
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: seen was flashes and it was like everything would blank,

2579
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, and you know it's like you hear the

2580
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 1: screens and it just went silent, and I'm running down

2581
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,640
Speaker 1: there and just flashes and knowing that this is it,

2582
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the super Bowl, and got that pick

2583
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 1: and the rest we rolle the hell out of it,

2584
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:18,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We wrote the hell out

2585
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 1: of that thing man. The hand that's just like I

2586
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 1: don't even know what I was doing, you know, I

2587
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 1: just I just it's super I just clew it up,

2588
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's something that I've never

2589
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: done before in any of my picks or my pick six.

2590
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 1: I didn't throw it up. It was just something that

2591
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 1: just happened and I threw it up there and it's

2592
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 1: been the iconic picture ever since, so damn iconic. Insane.

2593
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's get back into this game real quick.

2594
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 1: You guys start off hot. You guys started off hot,

2595
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:49,960
Speaker 1: did you? But you knew it wasn't it wasn't going

2596
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,120
Speaker 1: to be over because of Peyton Manning, right. I mean

2597
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 1: you think about the people that they had on it.

2598
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 1: Look at their skill, guys. You got Edrin James, Hall

2599
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 1: of Famer, you know a lot of Hall of Famers

2600
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: with the whole lot little rint mount of rings. Yeah,

2601
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot of Yeah, we got a lot of

2602
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 1: rings exactly. But you talk about some some some true

2603
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: some true dogs, you know what I mean, And that's

2604
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:12,640
Speaker 1: what they had. I was like, Edrin James can play Marvin,

2605
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he wasn't like like a tough guy,

2606
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: but Marvin, he's gonna god damn compete, you know what

2607
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean. I read a story that he didn't need

2608
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 1: to chase someone down for rent money once. Oh you

2609
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: know what, you know what? Yeah? He was he was.

2610
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:31,560
Speaker 1: He was a quiet guy. He didn't talk a lot,

2611
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't like, you know, you know those

2612
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:36,720
Speaker 1: guys I want to sit and hang out with. Oh yeah,

2613
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what, so saying he's not

2614
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: a dog, I was saying that from being a vocal

2615
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, most receiver ship talkers, you know, like like, uh,

2616
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, Isaac, He'll you could be warned up, He'll

2617
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:49,640
Speaker 1: walk through your ship. He was that guy trying to

2618
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: get into you. Joe Horner talker, O Joe a talker,

2619
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:53,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Even though they was tough,

2620
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and great players, but it

2621
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:59,640
Speaker 1: was something different about somebody that's willing to fight you

2622
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: and not try to just get in your head. It's like,

2623
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, I ain't got to do a lot of talking.

2624
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:05,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, he was that type of guy.

2625
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,680
Speaker 1: But you look at their offensive skill position and their guys. Man,

2626
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: it's like god damn. So it's never over. It's never

2627
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: over with them. And we knew that, and we was

2628
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 1: giving it all all the week got and of course

2629
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, you give him enough opportunities, he's going to

2630
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 1: make some plays. So you always got to respect your

2631
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,200
Speaker 1: opponent and letting and know that they're going to make

2632
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:26,720
Speaker 1: some plays too. Now you didn't play any special teams,

2633
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh no, you know you're really good for I played

2634
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 1: my first year, you know what I mean. But then

2635
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:37,360
Speaker 1: what we did take pride in and if Troy needed us,

2636
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 1: me and Lawyer, we love to be the gunner, like

2637
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 1: the guys that hold up there. That was that was

2638
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 1: that was, that was us on the avice. So my thing,

2639
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 1: we would always try to like the guys on the side.

2640
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:50,480
Speaker 1: You guys score seventeen points with special teams, Hey, we

2641
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 1: try to knock the gator right down. That was the goal.

2642
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:54,880
Speaker 1: So when we're out there as the gonna we line

2643
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:57,080
Speaker 1: up insight. We want you to go outside the roger there,

2644
02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:59,920
Speaker 1: but you can get no, not just get him out

2645
02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 1: of bounds. Were trying to knock over the gatorade. So

2646
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,240
Speaker 1: that was the goal, to try to get them in

2647
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 1: the gator rade, you know what I mean. And we

2648
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 1: got a couple of people like that, you know, through

2649
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 1: the years, we lock them up. We trying to knock

2650
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:11,200
Speaker 1: y'all's fucking drinks down, you know what I mean, And

2651
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:13,440
Speaker 1: especially if we was on that sideline. But that was

2652
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 1: pretty much the only special teams kickoff, did that, and

2653
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: you know how you're supposed to go down there, and

2654
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:21,520
Speaker 1: and I was never like the wedge guy. I was

2655
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:23,280
Speaker 1: always want to call him fold as soon as they

2656
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,960
Speaker 1: kick it. No, you've got to go down there phone

2657
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:27,680
Speaker 1: so I could come in the back. I'm not going

2658
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:29,840
Speaker 1: down there that you You tougher to me, Bro, you

2659
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 1: hear about this new thing. I think they're gonna go

2660
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 1: to that new XFL shit, what is I I couldn't

2661
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:35,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't follow it.

2662
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 2: So they're gonna have not ten guys from the kickoff

2663
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 2: on the opposing forty five I think, or thirty five

2664
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:46,720
Speaker 2: forty five, and then a ten yard gap with nine

2665
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:48,480
Speaker 2: guys for the return team.

2666
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:49,920
Speaker 1: So there's a ten yard cushion.

2667
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:53,720
Speaker 2: Kickers still weigh in the back, kicking by himself, so

2668
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:57,480
Speaker 2: they're taking We're all usually on that our own thirty five.

2669
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 2: They're bringing it all the way here. So there's a

2670
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 2: ten year cushion and you get two returners. You can't

2671
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:05,080
Speaker 2: have any You can have a wedge on the front line,

2672
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:06,960
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be I don't know, it's fucking weird.

2673
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,240
Speaker 1: You're taking away from great players. And I'm glad that

2674
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:11,640
Speaker 1: he got in the Hall of Fame, where I think

2675
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna really open up the doors for you know,

2676
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 1: specialist guys like yourself, you know, Devin Hester getting in, Man,

2677
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: that was an exciting part of the game when you're

2678
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: taking shit and taking the punt returns. Because that's a

2679
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,880
Speaker 1: exciting part of the game. Man, How did you feel

2680
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 1: like that? Did you feel like that was like especially

2681
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,520
Speaker 1: you were more of a you know, pure receiver then.

2682
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: But do you feel like that they took away from

2683
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 1: you specifically when you were doing more to returners when

2684
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:39,520
Speaker 1: they start changing these rules. No, they haven't really changed

2685
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 1: punt Well I'm talking about the kickoff, the.

2686
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 2: Kickof Yeah, the kickoff when I was covering kicks. Yeah,

2687
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 2: but it wasn't ever in my generation by the time. Yeah,

2688
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 2: it sucks because I was boys with all the teamers

2689
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,040
Speaker 2: for like my first four or five years. You know,

2690
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:57,160
Speaker 2: I hung out with the special teams guys, and that's

2691
02:06:57,200 --> 02:07:00,560
Speaker 2: their job. They're just eliminating jobs eight jobs.

2692
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 1: But then the exciting plays, you know, I played with

2693
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 1: Daunte Hall man, I mean, oh, man, beast, you know

2694
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. You sit there like, you know, I

2695
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:12,360
Speaker 1: was out on the field when Troy Brown and when

2696
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 1: we're doing that in Pittsburgh and the game, you know,

2697
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 1: I was out there on the field as as de vice,

2698
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:20,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like that's a

2699
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:23,800
Speaker 1: big part of the game. You know. Kickoffs, man, you

2700
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:26,360
Speaker 1: you do this, you don't get to see Devin Hester,

2701
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:30,280
Speaker 1: how many kickoffs did you take up? I took four

2702
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 1: punt returns. I had two called back. That's it. You

2703
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 1: had two called back? Damn. Oh wow.

2704
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:41,280
Speaker 2: You can never get mad at a guy trying hard

2705
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:44,200
Speaker 2: on kickoff or you know in the kicking game because

2706
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:46,320
Speaker 2: those guys get a holding call, you get a clip.

2707
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:49,680
Speaker 2: Just try and work their for you, right, So Dane

2708
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:52,520
Speaker 2: Fletcher and Patrick Chunk even impact.

2709
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 1: Like a Matthew Slater. I mean, I used to love

2710
02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 1: watching Matthew on the kickoff. That's the only time I

2711
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:00,960
Speaker 1: like look at the kickoff because Matthew sla gonna be

2712
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: the first one down to feel. He don't give a

2713
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 1: damn who in front of him. He running through it.

2714
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 1: He found a way and make the play. But it's

2715
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:08,080
Speaker 1: taking away from god thing because guess what, you running

2716
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:10,520
Speaker 1: down there fast as hell, it's going to be a touchback.

2717
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's the new rule. They the new touchback.

2718
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 1: If you kick it in the end zone, they get

2719
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:20,560
Speaker 1: it out. It's like they think the forty or the thirty,

2720
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 1: it's some big ass numbers. So they're they're trying to

2721
02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: make it where you want to kick it in the

2722
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 1: kick zone, which is the twenty to the goal line.

2723
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 1: It's fucking weird. It's like some wow in theory.

2724
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 4: It's gonna make a little bit more like returns happen

2725
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:37,560
Speaker 4: and just make it safer. But we'll see it's gonna

2726
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 4: be complicated and hard to fallow.

2727
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: Jackie, break down this game. Let's put a bow on

2728
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:42,000
Speaker 1: this bad boy.

2729
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:45,520
Speaker 3: This was a game that defense of the Patriots really

2730
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:49,400
Speaker 3: ran this thing. Five turnovers, three picks by ty Law,

2731
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,360
Speaker 3: three sacks by Jarvis Green. I didn't know he had

2732
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 3: three sat by Rodney, and in our mind's eye we

2733
02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 3: were talking about this earlier, it really felt like a blowout,

2734
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:00,800
Speaker 3: like as we look back on it, but it can't.

2735
02:09:01,240 --> 02:09:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean, the Colts at the ball with under two

2736
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:05,800
Speaker 3: minutes left, marching down the field trying to tie this

2737
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 3: thing up, but uh gotta stop. Adam knocked through a

2738
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:11,680
Speaker 3: field goal put us up twenty four to fourteen to

2739
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:15,320
Speaker 3: ice that game. And uh it's became the second NFL

2740
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:20,120
Speaker 3: game without a punt, crazy, right, no punts in this thing?

2741
02:09:20,440 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 4: Wild? There was there was a punt. There was an

2742
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:24,480
Speaker 4: attempted punt of safety.

2743
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 3: It was a safety went by, uh went by the

2744
02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 3: punter and he kicked it out of the back of

2745
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 3: the end zone for safety.

2746
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:32,600
Speaker 1: You know you know what. I didn't know that. You

2747
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:39,360
Speaker 1: know what that calls fort Okay, now we got to

2748
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:41,480
Speaker 1: do the peer. We gotta run and done. No, this

2749
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:45,000
Speaker 1: is the peer. This it's just pure potato. Now this

2750
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:51,400
Speaker 1: is corn. Yeah, all natural, let's do it. Hey, it's

2751
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:53,720
Speaker 1: to success to you guys, mane, thank you for having me.

2752
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:58,280
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Hey and beating the Shehall of the Cold. Yeah, absolutely,

2753
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 1: look sure, all respect. Now what's the aftermath? The aftermath?

2754
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: New England goes on to beat the Panthers in the

2755
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:15,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty sevens right, second super Bowl in three years,

2756
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,760
Speaker 1: pretty much starting to get that dynasty talk, dynasty talk,

2757
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 1: dynasty talks coming. Uh.

2758
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 2: Indy would continue to struggle in the playoffs until twenty

2759
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,920
Speaker 2: six two thousand and six, beat.

2760
02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:27,640
Speaker 3: The Bears in the Super Bowl.

2761
02:10:27,720 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: Eat the Bears in the Super Bowl, which Ernie thinks

2762
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:33,440
Speaker 1: that that was the super Bowl. That was the Super Bowl?

2763
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:36,200
Speaker 1: Was that game that you guys that they lost in

2764
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:40,800
Speaker 1: you know six because the Bears, the Bears were a

2765
02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:41,440
Speaker 1: caliber team.

2766
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 3: They had Rex Grossman starting at quarterback. I mean, no

2767
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 3: Shade erect come.

2768
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 1: On now, yeah, I mean that was I mean, they

2769
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:48,240
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew what was going to happen. Then.

2770
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 1: I think it was uh, you know, you know, more

2771
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:52,680
Speaker 1: rioting on the line just than just you know, Peyton

2772
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:55,240
Speaker 1: getting his you know about you know, Tony dungeye b

2773
02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 1: and one of the you know if African American you know,

2774
02:10:57,560 --> 02:10:59,480
Speaker 1: you know at the time it's gonna be African American.

2775
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:04,040
Speaker 1: Another one, yeah, lef, you know, getting a Super Bowl

2776
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:06,560
Speaker 1: ring and you know you're still you know, you're looking

2777
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:13,520
Speaker 1: at that. Tony Dungee was awesome, Like Tony that you

2778
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 1: that you want to play for, you know, and he

2779
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:17,400
Speaker 1: played the game. You know, Bill coached him.

2780
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 2: I think he coached him on special teams back in

2781
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:22,600
Speaker 2: the day.

2782
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 1: Damn.

2783
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 2: I remember I saw an interview where Tony Dungee was

2784
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 2: talking about how Bill was his special teams coach.

2785
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:32,440
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. But you know, it's different,

2786
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:35,200
Speaker 1: like you know, I used to have the ship with

2787
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Bill sometime and Eric Man Jenny, you know, my dB coach,

2788
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:41,760
Speaker 1: and they'll say, like a certain technique. I'm like, have

2789
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:46,640
Speaker 1: you ever stood across from random Moss coming fool speed

2790
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 1: at you to say to do this that that? Like man,

2791
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,920
Speaker 1: hell no. But when you say the same thing to

2792
02:11:51,960 --> 02:12:00,600
Speaker 1: Herman networds, Oh yeah, yeah, look at I've been that

2793
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:03,560
Speaker 1: TALLO say the full I been. I've been there, so

2794
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:06,040
Speaker 1: her so her. It's like it's a little bit different

2795
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 1: when they play. So Tony Dungeon he played at the

2796
02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:10,600
Speaker 1: at the highest level, you know what I mean. So

2797
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:12,840
Speaker 1: it was just one of those you know things that

2798
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:14,520
Speaker 1: you know when I went there, it was such a

2799
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:17,000
Speaker 1: difference playing like Belichick, he can see it, he can

2800
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,160
Speaker 1: know it and all that stuff. But saying they didn't

2801
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:22,240
Speaker 1: experience it, they didn't experience that speed and that you know,

2802
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,200
Speaker 1: and what's really going on out in the field. So

2803
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:26,440
Speaker 1: sometime as a young player, you know, and that's as

2804
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:29,640
Speaker 1: a player in general, you know now that do you

2805
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,040
Speaker 1: understand what's really going on out here? Do you see

2806
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:34,200
Speaker 1: that man over there? Do you see the freak that

2807
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 1: damn Randy Moss t O and all you do you

2808
02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:40,960
Speaker 1: see that? But herm will let you know real quick.

2809
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 1: You know, I got I got thirty, I got thirty three,

2810
02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 1: thirty six somethingdy, He'll let you know it. And he

2811
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 1: got thirty plus in this league. So you ain't about

2812
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:55,000
Speaker 1: to sit there and tell him, you know what's gonna happen. Hey, Man,

2813
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 1: love love her Man. HER's funny. Oh speech as ever. Man.

2814
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean we watched him on the ESPN. Yeah, he's funny, hilarious.

2815
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:08,920
Speaker 1: Eric little Bill, Yeah, we called we called you little Bill. Yeah,

2816
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:11,960
Speaker 1: a little little Bill told on the teacher. That's what

2817
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm like, but you know when I went

2818
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 1: to first time, my first stint with the Jets, Yeah, no,

2819
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:19,880
Speaker 1: it was the second, you know, the first stint was

2820
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:22,520
Speaker 1: with her, and then I went back again, you know,

2821
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 1: after I left Kansas City and I went to the

2822
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,080
Speaker 1: Jets second time. That was you know, man, Jeanie was there.

2823
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:31,480
Speaker 1: So you were there during all the spy games, huh Man.

2824
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:33,840
Speaker 1: I was there late because I came in like at

2825
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 1: week eight. You know what I mean. I was. I

2826
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:40,120
Speaker 1: was I was ratted Daddy out and then he was

2827
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:43,040
Speaker 1: daddy No way. I was there. I was there with

2828
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:44,920
Speaker 1: the I think I was new. What year was that

2829
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:47,880
Speaker 1: I was still in New England? Was seven? Oh? No,

2830
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:49,440
Speaker 1: I was gone, you know, I was what I was

2831
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I came back in eight, so, you know,

2832
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 1: but just going there and with Eric, because now now

2833
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 1: we had a different time Like when I went to

2834
02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:01,760
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls Eye, I always always bring Eric because

2835
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 1: he's a dbe coach of his family and we'll go

2836
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:06,120
Speaker 1: over so we had a different type of bond of connection.

2837
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 1: So I should just try to tell him just be you.

2838
02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 1: I think when people leave Belichick, they try to be Bill,

2839
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, no, it's only

2840
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 1: it's only one Bill. So I think even with Josh,

2841
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 1: I was there with that spike exactly. But it's like

2842
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:26,680
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't. I didn't even know. But you know, Eric,

2843
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I know where all the bones buried.

2844
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's what they know. Where that So

2845
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 1: and if you was doing that, which, like I said,

2846
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 1: as players, we never knew anything, you know what I mean.

2847
02:14:40,200 --> 02:14:41,760
Speaker 1: So it's like when they say this and that, like

2848
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:44,800
Speaker 1: when have you ever came in and seen another person's

2849
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:47,240
Speaker 1: practice or anything like, I've never experienced that. So when

2850
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 1: people say that, what do the hell are you talking about?

2851
02:14:49,080 --> 02:14:51,320
Speaker 1: But then if if Eric was to say something, if

2852
02:14:51,320 --> 02:14:53,920
Speaker 1: he was the one to go out, Okay, Bill, you

2853
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:57,000
Speaker 1: know who you're playing to. You don't gonna do that

2854
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 1: ship or if something is really going on like this,

2855
02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:01,960
Speaker 1: you didn't. You can't do that on the player, that

2856
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:04,040
Speaker 1: on somebody that you was doing. So it was dumb

2857
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:06,080
Speaker 1: on both day parts if that was the case. You

2858
02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I've never seen personally, have

2859
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,240
Speaker 1: you ever seen a since you've been there, have you

2860
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:11,800
Speaker 1: ever seen it when it was all coming out? I've

2861
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:12,840
Speaker 1: never seen nothing like that.

2862
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,720
Speaker 2: No, But I mean I was watching that that documentary

2863
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,800
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and was there.

2864
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 1: Eric wasn't on it. Man, did Maie come on it?

2865
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 1: He's been banned from football if you noticed it. Huh.

2866
02:15:23,680 --> 02:15:25,920
Speaker 1: I know he's doing TV. But ever since he told

2867
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 1: on him, he ain't got a job.

2868
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:29,360
Speaker 3: He did have a cameo on the Sopranos, so that

2869
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:29,880
Speaker 3: was pretty cool.

2870
02:15:30,120 --> 02:15:30,280
Speaker 1: Huh.

2871
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:31,640
Speaker 3: He was in the Sopranos.

2872
02:15:32,040 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 2: The Belichick in factors that someone is saying like, I

2873
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:36,760
Speaker 2: don't want that my my my building.

2874
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:40,160
Speaker 1: You know what? Secret? You know what? I don't know

2875
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:42,640
Speaker 1: if you were saying and if you got black ball,

2876
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:45,600
Speaker 1: because he had after you went, Check went to Cleveland Cleveland,

2877
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:47,760
Speaker 1: so they still he still was at that. But you

2878
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:49,760
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta win, you know what I mean. And

2879
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:51,440
Speaker 1: he hadn't do that. But if you was the one

2880
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:55,520
Speaker 1: that called out and you participated, you know, if that

2881
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:59,320
Speaker 1: was anything going on, it's like, that's hypocritical if that

2882
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 1: was the case. Like I'm keep saying that because I

2883
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,240
Speaker 1: know people try to sound like I never seen the ship.

2884
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 1: I never know whether check you got to be a

2885
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:11,000
Speaker 1: damn food if you do that to somebody that know,

2886
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:13,600
Speaker 1: would the bones beard and seekers and all that stuff.

2887
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:15,800
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of like baseball. These fools

2888
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:18,800
Speaker 1: are stealing each other signs all year long. Yeah, that's

2889
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:21,000
Speaker 1: why you tell people's like if you see somebody with

2890
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:24,600
Speaker 1: when can you ever do anything when you get the signal?

2891
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:28,320
Speaker 2: Right, It's like you can't communicate it until the next

2892
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 2: game and things are changed anyways.

2893
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:33,240
Speaker 1: But I'm just still mad at Eric Mangini. That was

2894
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:36,879
Speaker 1: some bullshit. You can't be going literally, you know, like

2895
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:39,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of like kind of like a little baby

2896
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:42,280
Speaker 1: bird coming out of an egg. Bill literally sat on

2897
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:43,879
Speaker 1: your ass and hatched you.

2898
02:16:45,720 --> 02:16:48,760
Speaker 2: And hatched you, and you're gonna go away from the

2899
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:52,240
Speaker 2: nest and you're gonna go try to kill Mama bird.

2900
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:58,520
Speaker 1: I think you know, like I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

2901
02:16:58,640 --> 02:17:00,480
Speaker 1: I get what you say. I think it's dumb if

2902
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:02,440
Speaker 1: that was the case it was done on both day parts,

2903
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:06,160
Speaker 1: because it's like if some situations like that was happening

2904
02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:09,560
Speaker 1: and he knew it, you know, not to do that,

2905
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, to him, because he can you know, I

2906
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:17,760
Speaker 1: don't get dog or you're a rat if you you

2907
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:22,000
Speaker 1: think you can do it. I got to see the

2908
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:24,440
Speaker 1: rest because I didn't know if he did that, and

2909
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,480
Speaker 1: he and they said the only thing that he did it,

2910
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,080
Speaker 1: that's some rat ship. That's rad ship right there. I

2911
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:34,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know speculation, you know, shoot after this,

2912
02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:38,680
Speaker 1: but we're not saying allegedly all. I got to let

2913
02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 1: the rest of it. But like I said, I have

2914
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:42,720
Speaker 1: never seen the stuff for me personally to be able

2915
02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:46,600
Speaker 1: to watch somebody press like the ram still Man Marshall

2916
02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:49,560
Speaker 1: f Marsha fawk Stills. That's my guy too, right there.

2917
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:53,680
Speaker 1: You know, Marshall, it's over. Man, Oh broh, you talk

2918
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,720
Speaker 1: about hell to prepare for it. Man, Marshall fall. Marshall

2919
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:02,000
Speaker 1: falls a b is that exactly? Hell of a receiver, Marshall,

2920
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:04,600
Speaker 1: if he wanted to and he trained at it, he

2921
02:18:04,680 --> 02:18:07,920
Speaker 1: probably could have been a productive receiver. That's how good

2922
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:09,640
Speaker 1: he was, you know, out of the backfield. That's what

2923
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 1: people say. He was that good the scrolls route. But

2924
02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:22,119
Speaker 1: we still whip you all ass Yeah, physical exactly great,

2925
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 1: greatest show on Turn, the bed Track team all that stuff,

2926
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:28,240
Speaker 1: and like they were extremely extremely talented. Man, you know,

2927
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about Tory Holt, the same thing was like

2928
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:33,360
Speaker 1: the same thing Marvin Harrison, Reggy Wayne, you're talking about

2929
02:18:33,400 --> 02:18:36,199
Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce was one of the best routers to ever

2930
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:37,800
Speaker 1: play the game, you know what I mean? And talking

2931
02:18:37,800 --> 02:18:45,160
Speaker 1: about stop on a jime. He was like you know Ricky, Yeah, Ricky.

2932
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 1: And then you had Tory hold Over there with that

2933
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:49,280
Speaker 1: speed that could take the top off anytime. You had

2934
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:51,680
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. Then Marshall fall. You had to like we

2935
02:18:51,800 --> 02:19:00,680
Speaker 1: had somebody in there, guys just rotting with marsh fall. Yeah,

2936
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:01,640
Speaker 1: but I was that.

2937
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 2: One team that I was playing Madden and Ship you

2938
02:19:04,879 --> 02:19:08,040
Speaker 2: played right, exactly exactly right.

2939
02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:12,080
Speaker 1: And then Marshall fault, like we had somebody mimicking him,

2940
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,879
Speaker 1: and it was just different guys rotating the number twenty

2941
02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:19,800
Speaker 1: eight because the job was we ain't gonna lose with Marshall,

2942
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:22,720
Speaker 1: so somebody hit him. So you're talking about rookies a sore.

2943
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,959
Speaker 1: We all put in a little something to give them

2944
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:28,560
Speaker 1: extra check, you know, after we won that game, you know,

2945
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:31,520
Speaker 1: and before we played the game, we all chipped in

2946
02:19:31,560 --> 02:19:34,240
Speaker 1: and all the guys that Scout Team, guys that played, uh,

2947
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:38,119
Speaker 1: Marshall fault, we gave him a little bonus. I love that. Yeah,

2948
02:19:38,200 --> 02:19:41,600
Speaker 1: that's how we were. That's what we did, man, because

2949
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:43,880
Speaker 1: they was getting the ship kicked out of them all week.

2950
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:46,199
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, I didn't give no bonuses

2951
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 2: when we play against a dB unit that was noturist,

2952
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, for holding in Bill. He was literally light

2953
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:58,240
Speaker 2: up the Scout Team guys off sides in us holding us,

2954
02:19:59,240 --> 02:20:01,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna fuck hold you in the game at him,

2955
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:02,160
Speaker 2: and what are you gonna do about it?

2956
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:06,360
Speaker 1: There? You know he do ship where he'd make make

2957
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:09,280
Speaker 1: him hold us just to get us, you know, frustrated

2958
02:20:09,400 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 1: at practice because you know the team we were playing.

2959
02:20:12,680 --> 02:20:14,440
Speaker 1: I won't throw no teams under the bus. But you

2960
02:20:14,480 --> 02:20:17,280
Speaker 1: know who you are be holding the whole time, you

2961
02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:20,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So so it was ever a dB,

2962
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:22,920
Speaker 1: Like who was the dB that you was? Like? God damn.

2963
02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:26,279
Speaker 1: So like just like you said with you said Jimmy Smith.

2964
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:30,879
Speaker 2: It's crazy because Reeves was probably the best corner I

2965
02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:33,280
Speaker 2: played with. But one of the guys that I hated

2966
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:38,920
Speaker 2: matching up against was Jimmy Smith of the Ravens. Wow,

2967
02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:41,200
Speaker 2: he was a big, long corner, but he could get

2968
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:43,000
Speaker 2: in and out of breaks. And I remember we used

2969
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:45,720
Speaker 2: to I was training at API over in l out

2970
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:48,360
Speaker 2: here in l A. And I remember him coming out

2971
02:20:48,680 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 2: for the draft. I think he went to Colorado. He's

2972
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,680
Speaker 2: a first round draft pick and this dude was big,

2973
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,200
Speaker 2: and he remembered doing his cone drows, Like this guy's

2974
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 2: fucking fast, he's quaking getting out of breaks. And it

2975
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 2: was just we used to play them twice a year

2976
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:05,160
Speaker 2: all the time, in the playoffs and regular season. He

2977
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,840
Speaker 2: was just he knew how to use his hands, he

2978
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:10,440
Speaker 2: knew how to play me. You know, I thought he

2979
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:14,000
Speaker 2: was always he was very competitive, and then he got older,

2980
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:15,720
Speaker 2: he lost the lots something.

2981
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:19,040
Speaker 1: We all did. But right, yeah, but I that battle

2982
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:21,160
Speaker 1: I just remember, because we played in so many important

2983
02:21:21,160 --> 02:21:23,680
Speaker 1: games against him, right right, right, Okay, I just always

2984
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,440
Speaker 1: respected him. Yeah, that's what's up, Jackie went. The legacy

2985
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:28,480
Speaker 1: of this game. The legacy of this game.

2986
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:32,160
Speaker 3: The Patriots beat Peyton Manning once again, go on to

2987
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:35,840
Speaker 3: win Super Bowl against the Panthers and keep the streak rolling.

2988
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:39,080
Speaker 3: If you remember, they won twenty one straight games from

2989
02:21:39,080 --> 02:21:41,760
Speaker 3: week five of three all the way to week eight

2990
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 3: of four when it came to an end against the Steelers.

2991
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:48,040
Speaker 1: That's why I broke my foot. Damn, my friend, that's

2992
02:21:48,040 --> 02:21:51,600
Speaker 1: why they won it. Jones Straccher, huh fifth MINUATERSA No.

2993
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:54,280
Speaker 1: I had a list, Frank, list Frank. I had a list, Frank.

2994
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:58,640
Speaker 1: So that's why the tables turned right there. So hey, hey,

2995
02:21:58,959 --> 02:22:01,320
Speaker 1: my bad fellas Man because and then at the time,

2996
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, it was because of my assignment. You know,

2997
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:07,000
Speaker 1: I had Hines wherever and if you could see before

2998
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,560
Speaker 1: I got you know, I broke my foot that game.

2999
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,520
Speaker 1: You know, we I mean we we we had stuff

3000
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:14,480
Speaker 1: under control, you know what I mean. It was about

3001
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:16,160
Speaker 1: to be a rap. But then you have to change.

3002
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:18,360
Speaker 1: And like I said, Sante came in and went on

3003
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:20,080
Speaker 1: to have a hell of a career. You know what

3004
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean. You can argue, oh whoa you said, Sante?

3005
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:26,280
Speaker 1: How come with Sante hates Bill so much? Man? I

3006
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:28,840
Speaker 1: don't know, man, because like I said's little brother man.

3007
02:22:28,879 --> 02:22:32,280
Speaker 1: And I think it started stilling with no, no, it's

3008
02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:34,720
Speaker 1: been I think it started with the contract stuff. So

3009
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:39,760
Speaker 1: I think felt disrespected, you know, especially when I was gone.

3010
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,800
Speaker 1: He was up next to get his contract and I

3011
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:46,080
Speaker 1: and I think he felt like he's proven himself, which

3012
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:48,080
Speaker 1: he did. You know, you look at the numbers, you

3013
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:49,720
Speaker 1: know he put he put it out there, you know

3014
02:22:49,760 --> 02:22:52,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. Sante Samuel got some damn numbers. You

3015
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:53,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He can play, So he was

3016
02:22:53,840 --> 02:22:56,000
Speaker 1: the next He was the next guy up. You know,

3017
02:22:56,160 --> 02:22:58,760
Speaker 1: they released me after I broke my foot because I

3018
02:22:58,760 --> 02:23:02,400
Speaker 1: had this huge cap number, so I got released. Sante

3019
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:05,240
Speaker 1: he stepped into that role, got stup bowl. Then guess

3020
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,520
Speaker 1: what he's sitting there making plays. So when they didn't

3021
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:11,200
Speaker 1: give him a long term contract and enfranchised him, all

3022
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:13,640
Speaker 1: that it played on him because man, he wanted to

3023
02:23:13,640 --> 02:23:16,760
Speaker 1: be appreciated for what he's done. If you're not letting

3024
02:23:16,840 --> 02:23:18,600
Speaker 1: go and get some money, and that's didn't happen. So

3025
02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:22,920
Speaker 1: he went out there balled out, and I think that

3026
02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:26,560
Speaker 1: Sante has never forgotten what he went through to get

3027
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:28,640
Speaker 1: to where he was at ended up going to get

3028
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, his money, you know, elsewhere in Philadelphia and Atlanta,

3029
02:23:32,520 --> 02:23:35,280
Speaker 1: continued to make plays. So you know, much respect to

3030
02:23:35,480 --> 02:23:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, little brother, you know what I mean. But

3031
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:43,160
Speaker 1: I think his dislike towards Belichick stemmed from him not

3032
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:45,119
Speaker 1: giving him his money and not giving him the respect

3033
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:48,959
Speaker 1: that you know, he thought he deserved or rightfully deserved.

3034
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:51,880
Speaker 4: You would have made that Picktown in Super Bowl. You

3035
02:23:51,879 --> 02:23:52,880
Speaker 4: would have made that pick thown.

3036
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, hey, but you know what he got plenty.

3037
02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean that was he was. He was a ball hog.

3038
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:05,959
Speaker 1: He was a guy. He's always around the ball. The

3039
02:24:05,959 --> 02:24:07,480
Speaker 1: ball found him and the one thing that he can

3040
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:09,200
Speaker 1: do is catch the ball, you know what I mean.

3041
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:11,360
Speaker 1: And of course we all like, I think I would

3042
02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:13,800
Speaker 1: have really secured the m v P. But guess what,

3043
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:17,480
Speaker 1: it just wasn't magnified like a Sciantas. He figured it's over.

3044
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:20,720
Speaker 1: I dropped a pick in the Super Bowl that it

3045
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:23,360
Speaker 1: would have really iced everything. I dropped it right in

3046
02:24:23,400 --> 02:24:25,480
Speaker 1: my hands. Everybody, look at the one that I caught.

3047
02:24:25,640 --> 02:24:27,280
Speaker 1: You see you know, hand up and there you see

3048
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,560
Speaker 1: that one. It's another one that I should have caught,

3049
02:24:29,560 --> 02:24:31,520
Speaker 1: but I got blinded by the lights and all that,

3050
02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:34,320
Speaker 1: and I just know I dropped that ship. I'm like, God,

3051
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:35,920
Speaker 1: damn it, I dropped that in the m v P

3052
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:38,160
Speaker 1: with it, because now I had two picks. They were

3053
02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:40,120
Speaker 1: down in the reds on the bout to score, and

3054
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,520
Speaker 1: they ended up they ended up scoring. But it was

3055
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,600
Speaker 1: a pick that I would pick off any day of

3056
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:49,040
Speaker 1: the week, and and I dropped it one. Yeah, I

3057
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:51,120
Speaker 1: made the big one. But that's what that would have

3058
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:52,960
Speaker 1: iced the game right there, because they would stop they

3059
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:55,120
Speaker 1: score driving. I mean, you know what it is. That

3060
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:57,240
Speaker 1: was like I was coming over, I was covering Isaac

3061
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:01,400
Speaker 1: like ship. Sometimes it's too good to be true. Yep,

3062
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 1: did we miss anything to the other big We talked

3063
02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:06,720
Speaker 1: about this earlier, but of course after this game, the

3064
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:09,560
Speaker 1: tie law rule was enacted, changing the NFL as we.

3065
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:14,160
Speaker 3: Know it today for the worst, for the worst pro offense.

3066
02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:18,560
Speaker 3: We're turning into basketball here. I mean, that's another big

3067
02:25:18,600 --> 02:25:19,480
Speaker 3: takeaway from this game.

3068
02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:27,360
Speaker 1: But the tie law rule. Yeah, mine got one too. Yeah,

3069
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:31,160
Speaker 1: the spotter rule. Remember when I got blown up by

3070
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:36,440
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl, and uh well ever

3071
02:25:36,480 --> 02:25:39,320
Speaker 1: since then because I was staggered getting up, I still

3072
02:25:39,360 --> 02:25:42,520
Speaker 1: played now that they put in the spotter rule because

3073
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:45,480
Speaker 1: of that, because now they'll pull you if they think

3074
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:50,879
Speaker 1: you got a concussion. Wow damn. Yeah, yeah, that's better

3075
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:52,440
Speaker 1: than that one. Hey.

3076
02:25:52,440 --> 02:25:55,120
Speaker 3: And of course this game and a whole slew of

3077
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:58,199
Speaker 3: other great games led to Tie getting in the NFL

3078
02:25:58,240 --> 02:25:59,960
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame in twenty ninth.

3079
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Seen. Hell yeah, appreciate it, man, thank you, yeah, thank you.

3080
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:08,680
Speaker 3: What is the coolest Hall of Fame perk that people

3081
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:09,200
Speaker 3: might not know?

3082
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:11,600
Speaker 1: You know what we used to be able to get.

3083
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if they still got it, but we

3084
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:16,280
Speaker 1: used to. We have something that we can go to

3085
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:19,000
Speaker 1: any NFL game. So all you got to do is

3086
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 1: to make the call ahead of time, and you and

3087
02:26:21,959 --> 02:26:25,480
Speaker 1: a guest can go to any NFL game. We're talking box,

3088
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:27,760
Speaker 1: are we talking? You know, like on the field before

3089
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:29,800
Speaker 1: the game, because you got your Hall of Fame credential

3090
02:26:29,879 --> 02:26:33,360
Speaker 1: and you can go to anything outside of the Super Bowl.

3091
02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:35,440
Speaker 1: Now that sh it don't work there, so they get

3092
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:38,680
Speaker 1: all of you just walk there. But I think they

3093
02:26:38,760 --> 02:26:41,280
Speaker 1: give you up to like five or six games anytime

3094
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:42,680
Speaker 1: you want to go to and you just got to

3095
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:44,440
Speaker 1: you gotta call ahead of time, you know what I mean,

3096
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:46,680
Speaker 1: Like the regular seasons. If I'm out here, like I

3097
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:49,200
Speaker 1: took advantage of it, you know here before to go

3098
02:26:49,640 --> 02:26:53,000
Speaker 1: see a game, you know what I mean, go do

3099
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that and then we have a lifetime you know thing

3100
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:59,119
Speaker 1: with top Golf, so you know, you know, I think

3101
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:00,720
Speaker 1: we go get our first round or something like that,

3102
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, for.

3103
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:03,440
Speaker 4: We're gonna start them.

3104
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn it, I'm coming to you. I'm the official

3105
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:11,560
Speaker 1: Voka the Hall of Fame to y'all giving us all

3106
02:27:11,600 --> 02:27:16,520
Speaker 1: these perks. Yeah, have you been that one over there? Man?

3107
02:27:16,600 --> 02:27:19,520
Speaker 1: I haven't Okay, No, I ain't been over there by

3108
02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:21,040
Speaker 1: the airport or that area.

3109
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3110
02:27:21,320 --> 02:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, look like I'm like ten minutes from I haven't

3111
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:27,080
Speaker 1: been there yet. Yeah. We got to name the game type.

3112
02:27:28,360 --> 02:27:31,800
Speaker 1: We got the tie Law game, the Peyton Pickoff game,

3113
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:35,440
Speaker 1: that ty Law Rule game, or do you have any

3114
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:38,280
Speaker 1: other suggestions for what the name of the game could

3115
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:42,680
Speaker 1: be or you could pick one of these hmmm. I like,

3116
02:27:42,840 --> 02:27:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Berman coined something for me, man, and

3117
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:47,880
Speaker 1: that and that's special to me because it was the

3118
02:27:47,879 --> 02:27:51,320
Speaker 1: great Chris Berman. You know, you would always do this

3119
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:53,560
Speaker 1: talk about I fought the law and the Law won.

3120
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know what it was, like, Oh

3121
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:58,600
Speaker 1: that's cool when I found out it was a damn song,

3122
02:27:59,320 --> 02:28:02,600
Speaker 1: you know if the law and you know, yeah, I

3123
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:07,640
Speaker 1: mean it's cool. It ain't like my music, but hey,

3124
02:28:07,720 --> 02:28:10,360
Speaker 1: I like that, man. So I mean I thought the

3125
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:15,520
Speaker 1: Law and the Law one. Yeah, so shout out shout

3126
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:18,560
Speaker 1: out to Chris Burban man for man.

3127
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game

3128
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:29,800
Speaker 2: of all time? Let's score its stakes? Zero to ten decimals? O, K,

3129
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:31,760
Speaker 2: what are the stakes?

3130
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:34,240
Speaker 1: And this is we're talking about the MC Championship.

3131
02:28:35,720 --> 02:28:38,720
Speaker 2: You We've had Brandy Chestain to talk about a championship,

3132
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:42,720
Speaker 2: World Cup game. You've had World Series, comebacks of Pro Bowl,

3133
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:45,920
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl stakes zero.

3134
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,720
Speaker 1: So a super Bowl? Is this the greatest game of

3135
02:28:48,760 --> 02:28:51,200
Speaker 1: all time? I would think, you know, for me, I

3136
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:54,520
Speaker 1: would say the second. I would say the second because

3137
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:57,879
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you're the only game in town, and

3138
02:28:58,040 --> 02:28:59,959
Speaker 1: you know, being fortunate enough to be on the other

3139
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:04,800
Speaker 1: side of a play that everyone's remember, I would got

3140
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Speaker 1: to say that because you got to close it out.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing of getting there, but there's another thing

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Speaker 1: of getting there and closing out. So I would say

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Speaker 1: that was the second greatest uh you know game for me,

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02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:18,360
Speaker 1: star power wise zero to ten. You gotta score it.

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02:29:18,520 --> 02:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta score it. Oh score it. That's a

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02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:26,920
Speaker 1: that's a that's a ten.

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02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, what's hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Star power? What do you mean by that? Give

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Speaker 1: me a.

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02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:39,679
Speaker 4: Players players star power?

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Speaker 1: You know, think about it. We had the two that's

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02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:47,360
Speaker 1: a ten too. Ever, that's the two greatest quarterbacks you know,

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02:29:47,480 --> 02:29:50,120
Speaker 1: of the time, and now one is the greatest ever

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02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and the other one you know, he's top five, you know,

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02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, can't beat that. How many Hall of famers

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02:29:54,400 --> 02:29:58,480
Speaker 1: now including you know, like I said self, Seymour, Tom Brady,

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02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:02,880
Speaker 1: man Ship, Oh we got nine between those two teams.

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02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:05,040
Speaker 1: It's going to be about eight nine of us. So yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Gameplay, like, how was the gameplay of the game? You

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02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 2: know what, back and forth, defensive battles.

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02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:14,560
Speaker 4: Those five field goals in the safety, you know.

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Speaker 1: What as a defensive player, I would have to put

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02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:21,640
Speaker 1: that up and say that was I would say that

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Speaker 1: was That's a hard nine. You know, that's a hard nine.

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Speaker 1: That's a hard nine because you know, you want the

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02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:28,640
Speaker 1: game to come down to that. You know, with all

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02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:30,720
Speaker 1: this scoring and all this offense and all that, this

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02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:34,200
Speaker 1: is how the game is. You know, defense wins championships

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02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:36,560
Speaker 1: and that's why we got there. So I would say

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Speaker 1: that's a hard nine because I don't I would say

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02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:41,360
Speaker 1: a teen. But you got to give you know, the

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02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:44,920
Speaker 1: other guys some credit, so you know, hard integrity right there.

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02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:48,280
Speaker 1: What's the name of the game? Score the name though,

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Speaker 1: I fought the law and the law one game. Yeah,

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02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:52,959
Speaker 1: I like that one because that one in three picks, man,

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02:30:52,959 --> 02:30:57,680
Speaker 1: they fought me to score the name ten that I

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02:30:57,720 --> 02:30:59,560
Speaker 1: fought the law and the law one. That is, that's

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Speaker 1: all I got a song, that's right, baby, Nine point

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Speaker 1: seventy five. Let's see where it ranks in the games

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Speaker 1: that we've done tied thus far. That is a very

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02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:16,520
Speaker 1: high you right, number two? Yeah. AFC Championship game superne

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02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Patriots versus Chiefs. So what they got us at? I

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02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:22,360
Speaker 1: can't see it? Where where we at? You're right, you're

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02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:24,880
Speaker 1: in between, yeah, and where else? Jackie.

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02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 4: Game six to the twenty eleven NBA Finals, Maverick versus

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02:31:27,720 --> 02:31:30,000
Speaker 4: heat Mark Cuban came in and it was just kind

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02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,760
Speaker 4: of a little wild. So that one's high Mark.

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Speaker 1: Cuban gave it all tens. I think, oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's above the Giants and Patriots super Bowl

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02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:41,800
Speaker 4: eighteen to one game. It's above the Alcs, two thousand, Yankees,

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02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:44,440
Speaker 4: Red Sox. That's a that's our second overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just saying, but you think about it, man,

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Speaker 1: that that magital to that game, you know, and the

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Speaker 1: star power I mean, just the anticipation, the weather. I mean,

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02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:57,120
Speaker 1: that was that was how football is posedbly Man, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about it twenty years later, literally twenty years later,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about it. Ty, we miss anything about this game?

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02:32:03,560 --> 02:32:06,400
Speaker 1: No we did. I think, uh, we got we we

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Speaker 1: got everything covered right there. We get we get, we

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02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:11,520
Speaker 1: covered everything, you know what I mean? Because I was like,

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02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:13,640
Speaker 1: I can't get no, you can't get no better than that.

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Speaker 1: And and just before we get off and go, I

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Speaker 1: believe it is corvs. Yeah, yeah, you know, we don't.

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02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:26,360
Speaker 1: We don't ran the gauntlet. So we're gonna what y'all want,

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Speaker 1: tropical pure grilled pineapple. I like the grind.

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Speaker 3: I love the grilled pineapple.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I taste the flame grilled. Yeah. Absolutely, Hey,

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Speaker 1: he shout out to man that my guys up there

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Speaker 1: one team grill man. Hey, hey, they huge support. Ryan Dion,

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Speaker 1: Hey Cam Hey, y'all wouldn't be here without you man,

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Speaker 1: so appreciate that legal seafoods there. Thank you, Ty.

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Speaker 4: Awesome episode.

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Speaker 3: Home this episode, thot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good though, I mean Corvs Vodka.

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Speaker 3: Grill up that. Everybody's got a pineapple, everybody's got a citrus,

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Speaker 3: No one's got a grilled.

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Speaker 1: No one has a grilled pineapple. I tasted the grill marks.

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Speaker 1: So you said that I was thinking it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: tasted it. It's true. You can taste it.

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Speaker 2: Go check it out, New England, Faithful Patch Nation, but everyone,

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Speaker 2: everyone go check it out and.

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Speaker 4: A portion of every sale goes to the Pro Football

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame Player Assistance Fun, which is cool.

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Speaker 1: Great cause take care of the old guys guys that

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02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:59,080
Speaker 1: built this league. It built it. But man, what by brick?

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02:33:59,440 --> 02:34:01,840
Speaker 4: What are an apple? So that was fiftieth game?

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02:34:02,520 --> 02:34:06,119
Speaker 3: How apropos for our fiftieth That we we went wild apropos.

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02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby fifties instantly comes to your mind.

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02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:14,560
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, Mike Redmankovich, Roman, zachar Oh Oh, David Robinson,

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02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:15,000
Speaker 3: the Admiral.

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Speaker 1: Good fifties out there, some good fifties.

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02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:21,440
Speaker 3: Zach Randolph Zebo earlier on the Grizzlies, some.

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02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:24,240
Speaker 1: Guys who else there's like a there's another fifty out there.

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Speaker 4: And also all you hotline callers. We uh, we were

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02:34:28,480 --> 02:34:30,160
Speaker 4: planning on doing it for this episode, but it went long,

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02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:33,720
Speaker 4: and you know, I'd rather have Tylot talk to Steve

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02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:34,440
Speaker 4: from Canton.

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02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:39,959
Speaker 1: So we'll bump in next and he's got some hot

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02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Steve is from Canton. He's definitely talking town Spa, some

3243
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:48,840
Speaker 1: fucking bo pizza. I know it's in Stoton, Sam, but

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02:34:48,920 --> 02:34:51,480
Speaker 1: if you live in the line right next to Stoton,

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02:34:51,560 --> 02:34:53,320
Speaker 1: you go to goddamn town Spa.

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02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:58,200
Speaker 2: Well, what an interview. Thanks again to ty Law. That's

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02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:02,360
Speaker 2: been another episode. Games with Names tune in next week.

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