1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Tuesday, October twenty eighth, and 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: haven't you heard everybody is really worked up about this 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: new hit Netflix movie House of Dynamite. We just watched 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: it and now we see why. And with that, welcome 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rohobes. Is it 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: justified folks have really worked up about this? 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Well, it's an exceptionally good movie and you're along for 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: the whole ride. You are waiting at the edge of 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: your seat for what's going to happen. Tick talk, tick talk, 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: And then I would just say, as you pointed out, 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: oh I should save that. 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm wondering I should we say ahead of time 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: this will be a spoiler free episode. Can we make 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: sure we don't give anything away? Or should we openly 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: and fully discussed We didn't discuss. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: This before we get we didn't, But what about this 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: the first half? Maybe before we go to break, we 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: won't give a spoiler. But I don't see how we 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: have a full conversation about this movie without revealing a spoiler, 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: and so maybe we do it after the break. 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Okay, we will make sure we give a heads up 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: before anything even resembling a spoiler comes out. 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: That's fair because I don't think you can talk about 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: why people are upset without discussing the end of the movie. 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so you think we'll start with that. Do you 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: think the only issue or the main issue folks that 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: have would just be with the ending. 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent, And I would say that that 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: is and was my only issue. I thought it was 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: an amazing movie, really really good, with phenomenal actors. 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So if folks don't know this movie House of Dynamite, 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: I didn't. I saw some of the posters and advertisements 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: for but I didn't really understand what it was about. 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: But it's a new thriller I came out over the 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: weekend on Netflix. Is about two hours long. Described this 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: way from Academy Award winning director Catherine Bigelow. When a 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: single unattributed missile is launched to the United States, a 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: race begins to determine who is responsible in how to respond. 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: That's yeah, accurate. 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: Catherine Bigelow of The hurt Locker, a very phenomenal film. 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: She knows her well. She knows what she's doing when 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: it comes to making movies about war or impending war 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: or just the just it's her lane for sure, and 44 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: this movie confirms it, and it. 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Has all that intensity you expect from her. So in 46 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: that response, it's from that perspective. It is fantastic. Now, 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the cast fantastic. Itris Elba and he actually plays the 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: president in this movie. Rebecca Ferguson. If you don't know 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the name, you'll know her and recognize her from Mission 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Impossible movies. Jared Harris, Anthony Ramos of course, he's a singer, 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Broadway star and actor as well. Was in Hamilton. And 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Jason Clark, who has been in everything you know. 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna say, I feel like every 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: single actor that came up, it was a familiar face. 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know their names, but I'm like, oh that guy, 56 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: oh her, oh him, you know, it was every every 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: actor that I've seen on every IT movie or show 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: from White Lotus. Yeah, I just feel like everyone in 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: this film is recognizable and has an amazing resume. 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Even a Angel Reese's appearance and there to throw that 61 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: one in as well. So the cast, the way it's shot, 62 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: everything is fantastic. Now we'll give more of our opinion 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: on it, but this is one The audience robes and 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: the critics pretty evenly. 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: Splayed Yes, Rotten Tomatoes seventy nine percent, audience score seventy 66 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: seven percent. And you know something that was interesting When 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: you said the run time was an hour fifty two, 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: I have to admit I was a little shocked. It 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: went by very very quickly for me. 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Did you know it was going to be formatted the 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: way it was done? 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: I did not, So we can tell people to format Oh, yeah, 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. So it's basically the 74 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: same twenty minutes from the perspective of several different characters. 75 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: So you're seeing what's happening on the ground. Basically, you're 76 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: seeing what's happening with the troops, You're seeing what's happening 77 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: with the president, You're seeing what's happening with the Defense Secretary, 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: all the different folks who play a huge role in 79 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: responding or attempting to respond to some sort of national 80 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: security threat. 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: I've seen movies done this way. We just saw on 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: this year, Weapons was done this way where you're seeing 83 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the same chunk of time just from different people's perspectives. 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: I did read a couple of reviews where people had 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: took an issue with that because you're only seeing twenty minutes, 86 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: and you're just seeing twenty minutes over and over. Yeah, 87 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I like that kind of storytelling, 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: and this was. 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: Done well, I don't mind that at all. I actually 90 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: think it's pretty cool. I've read books like that where 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: each chapter is going over the same thing but through 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: a different person's perspective. I always think it's cool because, yeah, 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: it's not always the same. Although this one didn't really 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: vary at all. It wasn't someone's perspective that changed it. 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: Actually all was the same. You're just seeing it from 96 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: a different person's vantage point. 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really liked I was done. And the first 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: twenty minutes of this movie, you're hooked. 99 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: Oh my heart was pounding. I was getting chills. I 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: was in it. 101 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: So a big part of this movie, of course, is 102 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: the United States trying to find out who launched this 103 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: missile against the country and to possibly shoot it down. 104 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: Now the Pentagon has now gotten involved, the. 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: Actual Pentagon, the actual United States kind of got not 106 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: in the movie, but in real life. 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: The real one has gotten involved, and Bloomberg, the news agency, 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: has acquired a memo, an internal memo in which the 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Pentagon is essentially defending its missile defense system against some 110 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: of the claims in the movie. 111 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Wait, I thought that they had just stopped all eeks 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: set the Pentagon. I thought they kicked out all the 113 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: media who didn't sign a paper. 114 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: And you know what, Bloomberg made the point in their 115 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: reporting on this to say, we're doing this reporting, and 116 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: we are doing it after we got kicked out, and 117 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: we didn't sign a pledge, meaning they wouldn't have been 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: able to report this had they signed they signed the. 119 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: Pledge, and meaning that there are still folks willing to 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: talk to members of the press even though they're not 121 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: supposed to. 122 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: And so there you go. 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: But that's a good thing. 124 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Really, you know what, didn't solve any problem. 125 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: That actually hearing that and just putting those two things 126 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: together actually just made me feel safer as a United 127 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: States citizen. 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: All right. So this internal memo that Bloomberg got their 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: hands on was essentially the Pentagon trying to tell or 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: give I guess leadership a heads up about some questions 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: they might get about the missile defense system. And a 132 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: couple of excerpts will share here from the top. You 133 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: could start with the first one. 134 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: So, yeah, this is from the memo. The fictional interceptors 135 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: in the movie missed their target. I guess we didn't 136 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: tell everyone that, but that does happen when they're trying 137 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: to take out this nuclear weapon that's headed towards Chicago. 138 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: The fictional interceptors in the movie miss their target. And 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: we understand this is intended to be a compelling part 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: of the drama, intended for the entertainment of the audience. 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: Yes, they say that it's essentially right there, Robes. They're saying, 142 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: we understand this is just a movie. But they go 143 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: on to defend it by saying, and I quote, the 144 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: system displayed a one hundred percent accuracy rate in testing 145 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: for more than a decade. Now, a big part of 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: this movie is the fan. As far, the best line 147 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: of the movie was the guy going off about how 148 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: much we spend, which is fifty plus billion for this thing, 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: and it's a coin toss to only it's just a 150 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. 151 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: It's just a coin toss. And then one of them, 152 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: the other actors, says, basically, we're shoe up a bullet 153 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: to try and take out a bullet. That's how precise 154 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: it has to be. And so in the movie. When 155 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: he was forced to tell the truth about the accuracy rate, 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: he said it was at about sixty one percent. 157 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: It was a big moment in the movie. 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Not one hundred percent. Sixty one percent. 159 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: Yes, And there are other reports out there, official testing 160 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: we looked up that says the test show a fifty 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: five percent accuracy rate. 162 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: So the movie was actually being generous generous to our 163 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: accuracy rate in taking out some sort of impending missile. 164 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: But if you're being told that your tax dollars are 165 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: going towards a fifty to one hundred billion dollar system, 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: so that you living in Lower Manhattan, if a missile 167 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: is shot directly towards you, we can knock it out 168 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: of the sky, but our chances are only about fifty 169 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: five percent. How would you feel you. 170 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: Had me until that last bit. I was going to say, 171 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: and that's how I sleep at night, and that's how 172 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: paying taxes every year makes it feel worthy of that 173 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: ginormous effort. But when you ended the sentence with with 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty percent success rate or it's a 175 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: coin toss or whatever, that that makes me feel actually 176 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: sick to my stomach. 177 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so the Pentagon wants you to know it's okay, 178 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: it's a one hundred percent accurate And now again I say, 179 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: the Pentagon wants you to know it was an internal 180 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: memo acquired by Bloomberg. But they are saying in this 181 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: memo again I'm going to quote it here, but they 182 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: want to make sure leadership quote has situational awareness and 183 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: is not surprised by the topic which may come up 184 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: in conversations or meetings. So they're trying to give everybody 185 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: a heads up. You might get asked how accurate is 186 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: our system and they're being told it's one hundred percent accurate. 187 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: But there are a few butts. We're actually going to 188 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: explain how they might be justified with their one hundred 189 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: percent radio I'll get to that in just a second. Now, 190 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: what the writer, Noah Oppenheim, is taking issue with what 191 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: the Pentagon is saying. Yes, because they went through a 192 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: lot of research for this movie. 193 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: And Noah Oppenheim, by the way, used to be a 194 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: big dog at NBC News, So this is somebody who 195 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: has a long history in journalism in a leadership position 196 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: at a major US network, and of course is a 197 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: writer as well. But he said he respectfully disagrees with 198 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: the Pentagon, and we'll go on to say what else 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: he said. He said, I'm not a missile defense expert, 200 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: but I did talk to many missile defense experts who 201 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: were all on the record. We just asked them a 202 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: ton of questions. How does it work, what are the processes, 203 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: what are the procedures? So what you see on screen 204 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: is hopefully a fairly accurate portrait of the reality that exists. 205 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: He said. Unfortunately, our missile defense system is highly imperfect. 206 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: If the Pentagon wants to have a conversation about improving 207 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: it or what the next step might be in keeping 208 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: all of us safer, that's the conversation we want to have. 209 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: What we show in the movie is accurate, and that 210 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: was in the movie. We just watched it. Yeah, they 211 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: said sixty one percent accuracy, and we watched in the 212 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: movie two of the missile defense what are they called 213 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: GDIs gbis miss the target in the movie. 214 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Ground based interceptors is what they call them, and we 215 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: do have them in real life. They're kept in California 216 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: and in Alaska, most of them in Alaska, about forty 217 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: or so. But they say these things are we should 218 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: sleep easy at night. 219 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I actually do and have up until now. 220 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: That is the truth. I mean, it was my understanding 221 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: that it was one hundred percent accurate, or that there's 222 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: no way if we saw it coming in that we 223 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: would miss it. 224 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: Did the movie scare you, Yes, it did. 225 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: It scared me, especially in these times. Look, this is 226 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: everyone probably says that no matter what decade they lived in. 227 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: But I feel like the tensions, like just what we're 228 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 2: seeing in Ukraine, what we're seeing in Russia, what we're 229 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: seeing in the Middle East, and just even when we 230 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: do feel like we make progress, it's one step forward, 231 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: two steps back, and every rhetoric just seems to be 232 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: at its height, and words are weapons. And I just 233 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: I think everyone's a little bit on edge with the 234 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: tension and the division that we not only have in 235 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: the world but in our own country. 236 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels unstable. So yet I think the movie 237 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: is timely and that it really really strikes a nerve. 238 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: But stay with us, folks will tell you why so 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: many folks are upset, in particular about the ending, and yes, 240 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, we will be talking about exactly what happened. 241 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: Also why the Pentagon in arguing that the missile defense 242 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: system is one hundred percent correct. Why they might actually 243 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: have an argument. 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: Say here, continuing our conversation about the movie that everyone 245 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: is talking about, the Netflix film House of Dynamite. It 246 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: dropped over the weekend. It's been number one on Netflix 247 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: and certainly a huge topic of conversation among folks who've 248 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: seen it. Certainly folks online and a lot of people 249 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: are just downright pissed at how this thing ended. 250 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Well, what do you want? We want a nice little 251 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: bow on it. There's supposed to be an ending, a 252 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: conclusion to the story, and I guess we we watch 253 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: a story and then we don't know how the story ends. 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: That's annoying. Think about it from the beginning of when 255 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: you're a kid, like your parents are reading you a 256 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: bedtime book, they just don't tell you the ending. That's 257 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: you're not going to go to sleep. You're going to 258 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: be staying up all night thinking about how it ended, 259 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: or how it should have ended, or what you wish 260 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: the author had written. I mean, maybe that's the intention, 261 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: and I get that from a creative standpoint. However, I 262 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: do think you kind of got out of actually having 263 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: to give us an ending, and somehow I feel like 264 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: you kind of weaseled your way out of actually giving 265 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: us a story that has a beginning, a middle, and 266 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: an end. 267 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Okay, obviously, I know you're not suggesting that there was 268 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: a weasling out you're talking about in general, I know 269 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: you're not talking. 270 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: About No, of course, like that, Academy Award winning directors 271 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: can know much more about art than I do. Yes, I. 272 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going to happen and why 273 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: people were so upset, and then I took a beat. 274 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I took a beat, and before the credits were even 275 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: done rolling, I'm like, ah, maybe she was making a 276 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: bigger point than I was giving the movie credit for. 277 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: So yes, FELK, we're gonna spoiler one more time if 278 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: you want to hop out. But this is going to 279 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: be a full spoiler alert here now. But the movie 280 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: goes through twenty minutes of time, and there are different 281 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: perspectives of different people who are involved in trying to 282 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: figure out where this missile is coming from and how 283 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: to keep it from hitting the United. 284 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: States and how to respond. 285 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: And the response what there should be. So there's twenty 286 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: minutes of time is what we get because they have 287 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: the countdown of when the thing is going to hit Chicago, 288 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: and it's going to hit in twenty minutes. So you 289 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: see the same twenty minutes over and over and over again, 290 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and then at the end, when the twenty minutes is out, 291 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: on the last segment, we have no idea what happened 292 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: to Chicago, and no idea what decision the president. 293 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: Made cut to black and look. I understand the conversation 294 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: that we're now having, and honestly, even the frustration or 295 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: downright anger that some people feel after having invested two 296 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: hours of their time into this movie to want a conclusion. 297 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: Perhaps that's getting us to talk about it even more. 298 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Catherine Bigelow and Noah Oppenheim were 299 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: hoping for. And if that was the intention, bravo. You 300 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: all did an excellent job, and the whole entire movie 301 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: was phenomenal. I just feel cheated out of the resolution, 302 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: and I understand that that's probably how a lot of 303 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: people feel. Because those twenty minutes were so intense, and 304 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: then you had to relive them through different perspectives, you 305 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: are even more invested, like you can't wait, like you 306 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: had to wait, then you had to wait again, then 307 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: you had to wait again, and now finally you're gonna 308 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: find out what happened, and you never do. That is 309 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: deeply unsatisfying. 310 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: Simply, I am with you, simply a you're speaking as 311 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: a moviegoer. You're sitting down as a person who wants 312 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: to be entertained. And stories do follow a very simple. 313 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: Arc, and that is why people have a Netflix subscription 314 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: because they want to be entertained. 315 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: Okay, but okay, I am with you sitting as just 316 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: some by as a moviegoer. I respect it now as 317 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: a citizen, possibly because maybe the conversation, which is a 318 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: worthy one, about the building up and our stance as well. 319 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: We need to build up our we needed to be 320 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: a deterrent our military stance and all of these complicated 321 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: systems we have. They even had a mention in there 322 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: to possibly an AI launching this thing. So it scares 323 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: the hell out of you. And think about where we 324 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: are with our military positioning. Why do we need to 325 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: see the end of the story, need to know whether 326 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: there's a disaster or not to change how we view 327 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: our military stance in this country. 328 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: Look, I hear you on another level, on a political level, 329 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: on a yes, but on an entertainment level, you need this, 330 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: I thought cheated, But I understand, like in my head 331 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: as I was, because I didn't know how it was 332 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: going to end. I just knew people were upset about it. 333 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: I actually thought that they were going to have Chicago 334 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: actually go up in smoke, and I thought, Wow, they're 335 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: really going to do this because people are upset. It 336 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: actually didn't dawn on me that I wasn't going to 337 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: find out what happened until right towards the end that 338 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, they're not going to show it. 339 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: They're not going to tell us what happened. And I 340 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: even thought they would tell us what happened and not 341 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: show it because it would be too hard to watch. Look, 342 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: I was actually thinking from the perspective of creating this 343 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: movie and how real it seemed. It was too real. 344 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: It felt too real too where we are it was 345 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: going to be, like I can't imagine how actually frightening 346 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: it would have been had they shown something catastrophic happening. 347 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the build up to this, and I was actually 348 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: reading Robes and again to your point of cutting off 349 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: seeing the cat the catastrophe of Chicago, there is like 350 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: a couple of devastating family scenes in this movie, like 351 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: they are gutting to see. And the consultant that worked 352 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: with them on the movie was essentially doing an interview 353 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: saying what they got right and what they got wrong. 354 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: They say, yeah, they some of the mechanics of it. 355 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: They say, yeah, we a is in the military. We 356 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: see the mechanics. Okay, emergency because we do these drills. 357 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: We do all these drills. They say. What they nailed 358 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: is what we don't get to see is a human 359 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: reaction to having to do a real time. He said, 360 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: we never had to do that because we just did drills. 361 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: He said he really appreciated seeing this guy's a young father, 362 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: this person has a daughter in this city. That he said, 363 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: they really appreciated that they nailed that. 364 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: Part yeah, and part of you were yelling at the TV, 365 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: get it together. You're first line of defense if you 366 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: can't keep emotion out of this and nothing's gonna save us, 367 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: No one's gonna save us. But I was like, honestly, 368 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: those are human beings who have jobs, and yes they 369 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: understand how important they are, but they've never really been 370 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 2: put to the test of where you know information and 371 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: your loved ones are potentially absolutely in the line of fire. 372 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: What do you do? Do you break down? Do you 373 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: put in that phone call, do you try to get 374 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: somebody out? Do you yeah, all of those things? Do 375 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: you basically do you leave the oath behind in a way, 376 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: or at least, you know, fudge the rules a little 377 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: bit because you're a human being trying to get one 378 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: last call to mom or tell your daughter you love them, 379 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: or even try to get somebody out of harm's way. 380 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. If I were in 381 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: their precision, I'd probably do the same thing. But I'm 382 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: speaking from the perspective of someone who is living in 383 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: Chicago and the people in charge of whether or not 384 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: I am going to get hit with a nuclear winter. 385 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't want them stepping out in the hallway. 386 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 2: And breaking down crying. 387 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't want it. I need eyes front, I need 388 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: focus right now for people. So that is where I 389 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: was coming from. 390 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: That's where your perspective was. You're like, stop it with 391 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: the tears thrown man crying. 392 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: I did not say that. 393 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: You didn't, but you were thinking it. 394 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: I know you given me as much as I cried. Anyway, Folks, 395 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: check the movie out. It is that first twenty minute. 396 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, all we had to do is tell 397 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: you to watch the first twenty and you're hooked. You 398 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: ever watched the rest? 399 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: It's intense, And look, I do think all jokes aside 400 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: and my feeling of dissatisfaction at the end, it was 401 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: still such a good movie to watch, and it was 402 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: a thought provoking movie. And the fact that the Pentagon 403 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: even felt the need to respond and send out a 404 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: memo and actually prepare for their response to what is 405 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: real and what is not is actually fascinating in and 406 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: of itself. 407 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh well, goodness, I forgot to answer the question why 408 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: the Pentagon might be right? Yes, with the experts tell you, 409 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: there's no way if a missile is coming towards the 410 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: United States that we're just going to shoot one missile 411 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: back at it. Like you said, bullet hit in a bullet, 412 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: it would be like four bullets trying to hit that 413 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: other boat. They would, they would, so they might have 414 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: one hundred percent success rate when they fire multiple interceptors 415 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: at it. 416 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay, But we haven't had to test that, 417 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: have we not, or I mean, obviously real. 418 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: Time no over the United States? 419 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: No, right, yes, so that that is a fascinating thing 420 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: to consider and scary as as it gets. But I 421 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: will say it was interesting hearing those percentages and then 422 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: you were looking up in real time because when they 423 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: talked about we only would send up The reason why 424 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: they defended in the movie only sending up two different 425 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: gbis was that they said, we only have fifty and 426 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: if we're under attack and there are more of these 427 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: to come, we have to save what we have. Basically, 428 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: we can't save Chicago because we have to save the 429 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: rest of America in case there are more. That didn't 430 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: seem totally plausible to me. It feels like we would 431 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: have done everything we could to save ten million people. 432 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: Oh thank god I wasn't mobile. I mean I have 433 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: been taking the time. 434 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: If it was DC, they would have thrown off. 435 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Oh oh god, you make a good point. And they 436 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: make some of those political points in the movie. There's 437 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: very little humor, but the couple of lines they have 438 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: they absolutely do nail. And I loved idests alway as 439 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: the president. He was cool. 440 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: Everybody was so good. I thought it was an excellent movie. 441 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: Highly recommend And yeah, I would love to hear what 442 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: you all think about the ending as well after you've watched, 443 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: but thank you for listening to us. We appreciate you 444 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: as always. I made me Robock alongside DJ Holmes. We'll 445 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: talk to you soon.