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Speaker 1: the next live broadcast. I want to talk about flashing.

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Speaker 1: Computer flashing, um in the in that sense of the

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Speaker 1: And it's it's just it's just an intricate process. Case

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Speaker 1: prevent corrosion, which ethanol tends to increase the probability of.

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Speaker 1: We can clean the fuel system, remove any dumb and varnish,

427
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: and do all those things that We can kind of

428
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: delay that water absorption because ethanol likes to absorb water.

429
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: We can delay that. We can't prevent it, we can

430
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: delay it. The one thing that we can't do that

431
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: don't want. No one's figured out the way to do

432
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: is protect rubber and plastic pieces. So if you have

433
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: a collector car and you have the old old plastic

434
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: fuel bowl or fuel floats, ethanol to keep those things

435
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: where your gasket sets away, which can when you replace.

436
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: We just gotta find something that's cantable ethanol, and you're

437
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: usually pretty good, but we can't protect rubber and plastic. Wow,

438
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: that's um that's kind of a scary thought, right. You

439
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: think about all the collector cars out there alone. They've

440
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: got rubber and plastic floats and carbureater pieces and and

441
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: so on. UM can the fuel stabilizers and the ethanol

442
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: treatments and and and and these things do they work

443
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: in all fuel types? Any engine? Is there is there

444
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: a limit to what they'll work with? UM gas and

445
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: gas at some point, I mean, you're whether you're putting

446
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: your collector car, your small engine, or your boat or

447
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: your everyday car. If you're leting to sit for a

448
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: little bit more than thirty days, we always recommend putting

449
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: stable in when you when you fill it up. The

450
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: one thing that we don't treat with our normal products

451
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: is diesel fuels. I mean, if if you have diesel fuel,

452
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: we have a whole separate line up of products to

453
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: treat diesel fuel by itself. UM. You know we talk

454
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: about collector cars, but what about the person driving to

455
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: work Monday morning. UM, you know, do you need to

456
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: use this, any of these products, any of these stabilizers

457
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: on a on a daily basis. If you if you're

458
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: continuing to just drive your car in a regular you know,

459
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: a commuter car kind of a thing. No, your daily car,

460
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean you should. I mean you're you're putting gas

461
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: in it once twice a week usually. I mean you're

462
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 1: filling up. It's it shouldn't be an issue. I mean

463
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: you can look at fuel system cleaners like every oil

464
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: change that there is always a good practice. UM. But

465
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: or cars, I mean they have field field systems, are

466
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: fuel injected. They're a little less susceptible those issues. But

467
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean if you have a Theato or a

468
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: Mustang or a Core event that you don't drive that

469
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: much even though it's pretty new. It's the gas can

470
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: still go bad in that car. You're not you're not

471
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: immune to the problem. Matt. If you were storing a

472
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: car outside of treating the gasoline system, you know, the

473
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: gas with UM, stabilizers and ethanol treatments and such. Um

474
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you've got any quick tips and tricks for storage, you know,

475
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: before you put the car away, something other than you know,

476
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: fuel system maintenance. You know. I've restored and working on

477
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: a lot of cars over my time, and it seems

478
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: like the most productive thing. I mean, you gotta if

479
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: you can get into a garage, get into a garage,

480
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: but you can't park it. If you cannot get a

481
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: garage stage, just don't park it on grass or dirt

482
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: or anything else. Just that moisture under the car just

483
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: destroys them. And then we're in the Midwest or I'm

484
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, and that's there's a lot of rusty

485
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: cars from that problem. But that's my biggest one. And

486
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess maybe I like to clean the interior.

487
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: I like to wash it once, maybe throw a cover

488
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: on it if it's sitting in the garage, because you

489
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: know it's gonna come out being nicer in the spring

490
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: whenever we want to take it back out again. Right, Yeah,

491
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean you can. It depends on how how obsessive

492
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: do you want to get with it. I mean, my

493
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: personal cards and I go I go to the every degree.

494
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I put it on jackstands, but keep the

495
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: pressure on the suspensions. I don't have flat spots and

496
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: the tires. I have the battery maintainer that I put

497
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: on it and I cover it. I get the cover

498
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: that fits for my car is nice and soft on

499
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: the insides of the stuff the pain. So it's all

500
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: I have to do is get down off the jackstands

501
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: and started up next spring and it's ready to go.

502
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: And that's that's the exciting part. No one likes to

503
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: put in their car away. They like to get the

504
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: car out. That's right. Yeah, it's it's it's it's kind

505
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: of like it's it's giving birth in some cases. I understand. Hey, Matt,

506
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: where can the listeners go for more information? We have

507
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: a ton of blogs and information on our our website,

508
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Speaker 1: gold deal dot com and kind of search functions so

509
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: whatever you're looking forward, just type of the search and

510
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511
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Speaker 1: in your car, your boat, your long of them, and

512
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: whatever your story for. We like to talk about that

513
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: is stable plays the integral part of it. Oh yes, stable.

514
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Stable is the player in the marketplace, and uh, we

515
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time. We know how busy you

516
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: and everyone over there is today. Matt, thanks for joining us,

517
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: and we'll get around to you the next time. We'll

518
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: talk again. Great, Thank you very much. You're very welcome.

519
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Speaker 1: I'm Ron anating in the Car Doctor and we're back

520
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Speaker 1: and hey, get back to work. And that's just what

532
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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor is gonna do. Let's go over to Bretton,

533
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: Texas Chevy Suburban. Brett you're there, sir, Okay, So what's

534
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: going on with the suburban, kiddo? Something with brakes? Yeah,

535
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: it's got an intermittent brake failure. Uh, low speeds, you know,

536
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: parking lots, uh stop signs, that kind of deal. When

537
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: when when you say failure, what are you saying that

538
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: the pedal drops out or it loses power brakes and

539
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: it basically goes to its emmanual brakes and you really

540
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: got to stand on it and it doesn't really do much.

541
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a lot of effort and it

542
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: just slowly stops. Okay, So in other words, you're you're

543
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: losing It's not that the pedal lacks height, you're losing

544
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: power assist. Correct. Okay. Um, have you had a chance

545
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: to read for GM bulletin. Um, Actually it's a it's

546
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: a piece of technical information. They call it a PITT

547
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: sixty one. They talk about break pedal effort problems, dated

548
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: March seventeen. Uh. Yeah, I'd read on that and uh

549
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: they actually just released a recall on them to uh

550
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: do a software update to increase pedal effort. But the

551
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: actual the real problem actually has nothing to do with

552
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: pedal effort because increasing the pedal effort doesn't really do

553
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: much other than mask the issue. Because if you lose power,

554
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: if you lose power breaks, you're already exerting more force

555
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: into the pedal. Correct, just it's just it's just a

556
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: band aid. But the problem the the the vacuum pumps.

557
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: It's a belt driven vacuum pump. And I've done a

558
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: bunch of research into this issue back in Marsh when

559
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: we first started having the issue, and a lot of

560
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: people have it, and there's there's been a lot of

561
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: accidents and things because of it. The issue is that

562
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: the in time, and that's in the recall states it

563
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: the pump builds up, gets a build up inside of it,

564
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: and it loses its efficiency and and it just stops

565
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: working at low speeds. So what's your real I'm confusing,

566
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: So what's your question to me other than you want

567
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: to tell everybody because that's that's what the that's what

568
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: sixty one talks about. They talk about issues with the

569
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: vacuum pump. Yeah. Well the question I have, uh, and

570
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: what I called about was the is for a mechanical

571
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: problem and the fix is a software update. Okay, the

572
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I'll just read it to you really quick. The power

573
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: vacuum pump, a component within the braking system, may generate

574
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: less pressure over time because the build up of debris

575
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: as a result, the output of the power breaking system

576
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: may decrease, And then it says the fixed dealers will

577
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: update software in the vehicle and no charge. I'd like

578
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: to and I called General Motors to talk to them

579
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, could have them explained to me how

580
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: a mechanical failure is being fixed with a software update.

581
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: And your question to me is how are they doing it? Yeah?

582
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: I just I don't understand it. Well, are they Are

583
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: they running the pump longer? Are they changing the parameters

584
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: of when the pump goes on and off? Well, it's

585
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: a belt driven pump and it doesn't have like a

586
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: clutch on it, like a like a a clutch or something,

587
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: so it's I assume it's always on. Right, So what's

588
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: the software update doing unless the only the only thing

589
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I can see the software update doing is are they

590
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: affecting cam timing which is going to affect manifold vacuum idle.

591
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a vacuum line on the intake these

592
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: new direct injected motors, Uh, the the input out, they

593
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: don't have a vacuum line. That's why they have the

594
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: the vacuum pump. Right. But so, so wait a minute,

595
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: this system has is the vacuum pump is the sole

596
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: source of vacuum to the booster exactly. Then I don't

597
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: see where. I don't see where software would have an

598
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: effect on that. And now you see why I'm calling

599
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: you because I don't see it either. I called GM.

600
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: They didn't have an answer for me. They said, let

601
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: me put you in touch with a technician. They didn't.

602
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: They put me in touch with a service advisor at

603
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: a dealership who whose answer was, well, all I can

604
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: do is tell you what GM tells us to do.

605
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: And we're doing a software update. And I said, that's fine,

606
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: but I don't understand how that's going to six problem

607
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: and and and it's important to me because my wife

608
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: and four kids are in this vehicle daily. That's why

609
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: you have you had the software update done. No, the

610
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: recall just got released. My dad actually just had his

611
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: done yesterday, but we haven't had ours in yet. And

612
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: the software update is increasing pedal field is. All it

613
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: does is increase the effort. Right. But now keep in mind,

614
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: you may have a bad vacuum pump as a result

615
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: of the fluid build up they talked about in correct,

616
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: So maybe you've got a bed a bad pump and

617
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: you're an eat of the software update. Do this, Bread,

618
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm up against the clock. Get the software update done.

619
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: If that doesn't fix it, called me back. All right,

620
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: well let's leave it there. All right, kiddo, you're welcome

621
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Speaker 1: eight five five zero. We're back right after this welcome back.

622
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: Weren't in any of the car doctor real quick? I um.

623
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: I logged into the shop and dug into the database

624
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: real fast on the break and there's a there's a

625
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: special coverage bulletin they talk about break assist decreased during

626
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: vacuum loss um for those vehicles. If Bread, if you're

627
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: still there, that that bulletin that recall isn't for software.

628
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: That the recall I'm thinking of that. I had to

629
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: go back and look at to make sure I'm not crazy.

630
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: As dated April, they're talking about replacing the vacuum pump

631
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: with a different vacuum pump, and I've got to think

632
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: it's a different style. Listen, engineers and lawyers all looked

633
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: at this, I'm sure, so you know it's it's a

634
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: matter of let's do what the company asks, not questioned

635
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: it for the moment, and see if there's a difference.

636
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Because the time we're waiting to do it. Maybe the

637
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: time in which we have a problem. Um, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: got to happen. It's just it's just gotta happen that quick.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't do uh. Um, let's let's save

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Speaker 1: him for the next hour, because there's another hour. Car

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Speaker 1: doctor and to come. Um flashing bulletins, recalls, updates, they're

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Speaker 1: not thrown out there willy nilly, and when it comes

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Speaker 1: to breaks, they're looked at very carefully like everything else.

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Speaker 1: And I have Brett, if you're still there, I understand

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Speaker 1: what you're thinking. But there's a whole lot more thought

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Speaker 1: process that goes into this than you and I'll ever know.

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Speaker 1: They'll never tell us what the update does. They just

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Speaker 1: want it done. Let's get it done and see where

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Speaker 1: it goes, and we can take it from there. I'm

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Speaker 1: not an any in the car doctor. Mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you one she was to superd