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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of Couch

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Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat.

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Speaker 1: I am the host, and if you are unfamiliar with

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Speaker 1: what couch Talks is, it is the special bonus episode

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Speaker 1: that comes out every single Wednesday where I answer questions

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Speaker 1: that listeners send to me at Catherine at You Need

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Speaker 1: Therapy podcast dot com. Now, quick reminder before we get

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Speaker 1: into today's show that although I'm answering your questions, although

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Speaker 1: I'm a therapist, and although this podcast is called You

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Speaker 1: Need Therapy, it does not serve as a replacement or

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Speaker 1: substitute for any actual mental health services. However, we always

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Speaker 1: hope that it can help you in some way wherever

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Speaker 1: you are when you're listening to it. Another thing I

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Speaker 1: want to say before we get into today's question is

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Speaker 1: that one what we usually do on here as I

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Speaker 1: answer one question a week and two I always keep

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Speaker 1: them anonymous, so you guys to feel safe sending in

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Speaker 1: your stuff. I'm not going to share something that you

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Speaker 1: say don't share. I mean, if you put it in

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Speaker 1: the email and ask me to read it, then I

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Speaker 1: read this part, I am not going to read it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say your name, or you're from

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Speaker 1: your email, any of that, so I keep them anonymous

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Speaker 1: so you guys can send in questions that you want

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Speaker 1: Another disclaimer that I want to say, justin let you

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Speaker 1: know the name of transparency, that this past Monday you

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Speaker 1: heard a best of episode from the podcast, because right

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Speaker 1: now as you're listening to this, if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: it the week it comes out or came out, I'm

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Speaker 1: on my honeymoon. I got married on Friday, and so

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Speaker 1: I am now on vacation. But I wanted to give

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Speaker 1: you something new this week since we were doing a

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Speaker 1: best of and for anybody that had already heard that episode,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of them are helpful.

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Speaker 1: Repetition is really helpful when it comes to mental health

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Speaker 1: in general. But I just wanted to give you something

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this as we speak. It's hard to talk

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Speaker 1: in the future but also talk about the past. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this the week prior to you listening to it,

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Speaker 1: so right now I'm not married. But I am married. Well,

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Speaker 1: as I'm saying this, I'm not married, but as you're

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do something new for you guys this week,

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Speaker 1: So this is coming last week, which this question has

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Speaker 1: a dietitian, and I just thought it was a really

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Speaker 1: so it would I mean, I usually just assume that

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Speaker 1: some of y'all are having similar thoughts as you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the content, and so I wonder that if there's

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Speaker 1: not some other people out there that are wondering the

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Speaker 1: same thing that this listener was wondering. So let's get

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Speaker 1: into it after I give you all the disclaimers. Here

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Speaker 1: it is. Hey, kat I listened to your episode yesterday

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Speaker 1: with Caroline and it was really helpful. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for putting that out. I've already started to take

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm worried as some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: or if it's legit. I know you probably can't go

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Speaker 1: way you can share with us how you can tell

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Speaker 1: or if what we're seeing is real. Okay, So if

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Speaker 1: you are unfamiliar with that episode, Basically, I had a

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Speaker 1: conversation with a dietician talking about some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: on cold plunging. You know, it's a very fad it's

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Speaker 1: So some of the stuff you might be doing in

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Speaker 1: that and make a decision based off that. Now, now go

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Speaker 1: couple things just to look for. One, if we're talking

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Speaker 1: it's empowering to know that what I'm listening to is

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Speaker 1: a testimonial. So something worked for somebody, and that's awesome,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I love reading reviews like on Amazon

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