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Speaker 1: being a puppet master of sorts, and the president is

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Speaker 1: just one of the puppets that she's manipulating. And then

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Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth of the same month, Miss Park

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Speaker 1: offers to resign but does not say when in her proposal,

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Speaker 1: then is dismissed by the opposition and the protesters as

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Speaker 1: a stalling tactic of sorts. On December sixth, the heads

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Speaker 1: of the country's largest companies. Those tribal we mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: are interrogated by lawmakers in the National Assembly, and on

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Speaker 1: December ninth, lawmakers vote to impeach Miss Park. So what

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Speaker 1: kinds of things are being whispered into President Park's ear

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets kind of spooky too, you know.

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Speaker 1: According to the BBC, critics believe Choi perpetuated her father's habits,

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Speaker 1: Choi's father being, of course, the leader of the Eternal

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Speaker 1: Life Church. Uh. Some media reports suggested that Miss Park

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Speaker 1: held shamanistic rituals at the presidential compound under choice influence.

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Speaker 1: Miss Park, for the record, denied this. Yeah, the president

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Speaker 1: holding shamanistic rituals in and if we apply it to

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Speaker 1: the United States president, just in our recurrent situation, President

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Speaker 1: Trump performing rituals in the White House with other people around.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're not so creepy, but but the

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Speaker 1: rituals were we talking about, well, first, you know, for

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Speaker 1: another example, Ronald Reagan consulted an astrologer. Yeah, it's true,

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Speaker 1: leader of the free world, the most dangerous nukes at

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Speaker 1: the time, and presidents do hang out at the Bohemian

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Speaker 1: Grove right at the time of our recording, Park continues

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Speaker 1: to deny any allegations of participating in cult rituals at

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Speaker 1: the Blue House. Think of it as the South Korea

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Speaker 1: White House is the president's home. Specifically, to answer your question, Noel,

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Speaker 1: these rituals included, but we're not limited to acts of

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Speaker 1: alleged clairvoyance, fortune telling, and channeling. Yes, Miss Choi is

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Speaker 1: rumored to have told Miss Park she was capable of

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Speaker 1: channeling the spirit of the president's dead mother. Additionally, she

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Speaker 1: gave the President amulets that had purported abilities to provide

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Speaker 1: magical protection. She also listening devices. Quite possibly, she also

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Speaker 1: advised the president on which sorts of colors to wear

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Speaker 1: and when, for example, red and white clothing. I want

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Speaker 1: to stop here before we're before we get too far,

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Speaker 1: and note that one thing I really liked about the

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Speaker 1: question you asked Nol when you said, well, shamanistic rituals.

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Speaker 1: What type of these things for someone who you know,

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Speaker 1: historically all the US presidents have outward at least if

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Speaker 1: only for the votes, said that they were Christians. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of getting at you. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: is it that bizarre and another culture to perform these

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Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote rituals is it any more bizarre

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Speaker 1: than presidents holding prayer meetings or something like right, or

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Speaker 1: a prayer breakfast or something. Yeah, exactly, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that point because I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: a fantastic points when we need to make because there

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Speaker 1: there are there are shamanistic religious practices in Korean and

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Speaker 1: they're a part of the culture, you know, And so

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Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily it doesn't necessarily mean that this

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Speaker 1: is stuff that Choi and her father just made up. However,

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Speaker 1: it does seem that it does seem that the daughter

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Speaker 1: took up the father's mentor role and definitely put the

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Speaker 1: kid in horse school. That's what that thinks for sure.

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Speaker 1: So opponents a Park allege that their friend Choi was

478
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Speaker 1: actually less like a friend and more like a behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes puppet master, picking up where her father left

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Speaker 1: off and directing the president in matters of state policy.

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Speaker 1: We know the choy ad access to secret government documents.

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Speaker 1: We also know that she edited the president's speeches. But

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Speaker 1: that leads us to a couple of questions. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what types of edits were made

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Speaker 1: to the speeches. On one hand, it could be as

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Speaker 1: simple as proofreading. Maybe she's just fixing some typos, right sure,

487
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Speaker 1: just going through right clicking in the word document and

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Speaker 1: or whatever document and then fixing the red saying that's

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Speaker 1: actually further not farther, Yeah, for sure. But on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, CHOI could have been altering the content of

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Speaker 1: these speeches, like meaning, somebody with absolutely zero official government

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Speaker 1: position was creating public policy through the words of the

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Speaker 1: president and possibly even swaying these things like whatever is

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Speaker 1: happening in either the favor of the church or in

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Speaker 1: personally you choice favor me because we know, like I mean,

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Speaker 1: speeches don't necessarily dictate policy directly, but they can certainly

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Speaker 1: shape perception. And you know, the give the impression of

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Speaker 1: support of certain things, and that matters. We know words matter,

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Speaker 1: and that can make a big difference in you know,

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Speaker 1: the way things move in terms of actual policy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're sending signals to the rest of your government

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Speaker 1: by saying things in public. That's just it signaling, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it is. It is very important. It's a crucial

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Speaker 1: component of foreign policy. So somebody with no qualifications other

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Speaker 1: than being someone's friend and or manipulator had their hands

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Speaker 1: at the wheel in one of the most um I

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Speaker 1: would say, one of the top three most fragile geopolitical areas.

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Speaker 1: Sure time, you know, what if? What if? Kim Jong

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Speaker 1: un here's his speech that he or his advisors don't like.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a feeling that happens all the time.

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Speaker 1: Probably does it, Probably does. So this is an ongoing situation,

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Speaker 1: and where does it leave us in the modern day.

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Speaker 1: We'll draw some conclusions after a word from our sponsor, Well,

514
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: we're back, and it doesn't look good, right, Miss Park

515
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: certainly did seem to be under the sway of choice

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Speaker 1: influence as well as choice fathers and heads of the

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Speaker 1: corporation involved are saying, you know, it's fairly it's incredibly

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Speaker 1: uncommon for these very powerful business leaders to be called

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Speaker 1: into a member version of Congress. They're saying they were

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Speaker 1: a core into donating millions of dollars to choice organizations. Wow,

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Speaker 1: South Korea already elected a new president, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you I'm just wondering about being coerced into donating millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars to this stuff because I guess you couldn't.

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Speaker 1: You could threaten to impose sanction or you know, new taxes,

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Speaker 1: or you know, things that would make operating your giant

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Speaker 1: conglomerate unfeasible. I can't imagine how much pressure, but there

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Speaker 1: must have been something there, some triggers to pull. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's also the yeah, they're they're definitely triggers. There. There

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Speaker 1: are hard triggers and there are soft triggers that might

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Speaker 1: not ever legally be personal stuff you're right, or legally

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Speaker 1: recognized as a threat too. Yeah, there might be personal stuff,

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Speaker 1: but it might also be something as simple as we

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Speaker 1: have new complications on building codes, right, yeah, or tariffs

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Speaker 1: or something, you know. Yeah, I wonder if Choy threatened

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Speaker 1: to summon the dead relatives of some of the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the conglomerates. That's an interesting idea, Matt. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we don't At this point, we don't know. Yeh sure,

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Speaker 1: if it's anything like that, and most likely as not,

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Speaker 1: it would just be interesting. Well, that's the thing. Without

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00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: knowing what was happening, right, it's it's very difficult for

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Speaker 1: people to form concrete opinion or sort of chronological chain

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Speaker 1: of events. We do know that since the tenth of

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Speaker 1: May twenty seventeen, there's been a new president in South Korea,

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Speaker 1: Moonji In, who as far as we know, is not

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Speaker 1: under the sway of a cult. As a former human

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Speaker 1: rights lawyer and chief of staff to another former president,

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Speaker 1: Romo hun he was he was elected with a with

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Speaker 1: an okay, okay share of the of the vote. It

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Speaker 1: seems like in all honesty, they just had to have

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Speaker 1: a snap election to get this other person out. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's the case. So far as this is a

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Speaker 1: developing situation, we'll probably hear more about it. Um it

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Speaker 1: does not come at the best time of course, geopolitically,

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Speaker 1: we are this. This is going to come out after

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Speaker 1: we record it, so some of the events may seem

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Speaker 1: a little bit older or changed even slightly, but not

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Speaker 1: much hopefully right like we are currently recording this the

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Speaker 1: day before the DPRK is set to launch another ICBM,

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Speaker 1: and they'll be launching it on Saturday, September ninth, yep

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Speaker 1: eehaw right, And we can do an entire episode about

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Speaker 1: North Korea's purported nuclear capabil these plus versus their actual

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Speaker 1: nuclear capabilities. But at this time the region is under

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Speaker 1: intense global scrutiny and the powers that be are are

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Speaker 1: flocking there. This is a this is going to be

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Speaker 1: Asnell said, interest a series of interesting times for South

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Speaker 1: Korean president and for the people of the region. Just

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Speaker 1: as a side note, I know a few people, multiple people,

568
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Speaker 1: who are in the navy, and they have been snapped

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Speaker 1: up from being on leave to go on an adventure

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Speaker 1: somewhere that they cannot discuss. So it always makes me think, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're heading that way. Who knows. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, we have signals from officials in the

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Speaker 1: Russian and US governments talking about that are indicating arms

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Speaker 1: build up, training exercises. What a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: I hope that the streak of being alive continues not

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Speaker 1: and of course we hope that everyone hearing this is

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Speaker 1: in a safe place, and we are sending our thoughts

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Speaker 1: and support to the innocent people of the world because

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Speaker 1: you know, as they say, what's that old quote, when

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Speaker 1: elephants go to war, only the grass suffers. Oh geez,

581
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Speaker 1: trampling on all. Now, just one last thing here before

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Speaker 1: we you know, end of this episode. Per se, are

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Speaker 1: you doing the voice? Do the voice of work? We

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Speaker 1: just have to remember in our own country, if we

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Speaker 1: look at ourselves. The United States has a long tradition

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Speaker 1: of secret societies among the upper echelons of our government. Yeah, heah,

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Speaker 1: including Freemasonry, let's say, the illuminosis perhaps of Bavaria, and

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Speaker 1: you know, the Bohemian grove, skull and Bones, all of

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Speaker 1: these other secret societies that the United States voter just

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00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: has to either not know about or completely ignore when

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Speaker 1: they make their decision on who they're going to vote for,

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Speaker 1: because most of the people that get up to that

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Speaker 1: level have been a part of one or more of these.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point, Matt, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you made it, because it goes so it's in the

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Speaker 1: great interest of people who profit from a status quo

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Speaker 1: to enforce disunity amongst the bottom part of society, right,

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Speaker 1: or any lower part of society. So often you'll see

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Speaker 1: this false dichotomy hinging on a political position or a

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Speaker 1: I mean, the best is when there's blind loyalty to

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Speaker 1: a party, because when the parties are both fingers on

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Speaker 1: the same hand, then everybody gets to have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of bread and circuses, a little bit of Facebook liking,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of clicktivism or whatever, and feel that

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Speaker 1: they've done their part for reproduction or gun ownership or

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Speaker 1: whatever whatever their issue is, and Honestly, just saying it

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Speaker 1: on a podcast that I know goes out to a

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Speaker 1: number of people makes me feel good. But ultimately, what

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Speaker 1: does it do? What does it do? R right? And

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Speaker 1: the groups who are participating in the just buffoonish, buffoonish

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Speaker 1: summer camp that is Bohemian Grove or the dumb fraternity

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Speaker 1: that has skull and bones. I mean, look, here's the

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Speaker 1: thing with tradition. I've never been in them, just I

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Speaker 1: don't have an opinion because well, it's a very powerful

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Speaker 1: organization with very powerful people in it, and hopefully those

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Speaker 1: people are using their power to keep this species alive

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Speaker 1: and push it toward its ultimate destiny, which is expanding

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Speaker 1: beyond this planet before we destroy it one way or another. However,

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Speaker 1: I think that it is a lapse in critical thinking

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Speaker 1: to assume that because something has existed for a long time,

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Speaker 1: or that because powerful people like it, it is therefore

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Speaker 1: somehow correct or superior. I mean, look at sadly, there's

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Speaker 1: so many examples of times where people said, well, that's

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Speaker 1: tradition or that's how we've done it, and those turned

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Speaker 1: out to be terrible, terrible, incredibly stupid things. And we're

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Speaker 1: still doing a lot of them, and we can't we

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Speaker 1: as individuals, we as groups, whatever group you align yourself

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Speaker 1: with have to be have to take great pains to

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Speaker 1: note that the problems we so easily spy or so

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Speaker 1: we easily perceive in other organizations, whether that's a religion,

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Speaker 1: a state, or a business or a family, whatever, a

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Speaker 1: fan club for Christopher Walkin. Groups of humans tend to

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Speaker 1: have some of the same root problems, you know, and

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Speaker 1: the same rotten tooth of corruption in the mouth of

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Speaker 1: the South Korean government and still exists. Right, the president

636
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: was corrupt, But we can't act like the US doesn't

637
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: have its own cavities in this terrible analogy. Dude, Hey,

638
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Speaker 1: I feel that the big thing for me is loyalty.

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Speaker 1: If you if you are swearing an oath to serve

640
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Speaker 1: as a democratically elected official, especially and in the executive

641
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: office as the president for the people, you are you

642
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: are acting as an executor of the people's will essentially

643
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: and also you know in a way, and that's at

644
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Speaker 1: least what it says. But what if you've already sworn

645
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Speaker 1: an oath to one of these secret societies prior to

646
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: swearing that oath? Do they exist simultaneously? Do you know

647
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: who do you serve? If you are a public public figure,

648
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Speaker 1: if you're a government official, should you be required to

649
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Speaker 1: disclose all all the ins and outs of those businesses

650
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Speaker 1: or you know, swear like break that oath in some

651
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Speaker 1: way officially? Well, then is it a violation of because

652
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: a government official is still a citizen, is a violation

653
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Speaker 1: at least in the US of their right to privacy?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? You know what do you think? I

655
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Speaker 1: don't know. I just I support the right to you know,

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Speaker 1: for a high level government to have a guru of

657
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Speaker 1: some sort they just keep around, you know, I think

658
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Yeah, what's the point of having a

659
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Speaker 1: stressful job like that if you can't have some sort

660
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Speaker 1: of weird magician that you hung around with all the time? Merlin,

661
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: there should always be a resputant a choice and still

662
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: there you go. You know, that's interesting because we do

663
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Speaker 1: know that there are advisors in different countries that would

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Speaker 1: they're doing things that would be considered magical acts, right

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Speaker 1: like Myanmar were also aka Burma had the military powers

666
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: there for a long time, took the advice of astrologers

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Speaker 1: and actually relocated the capital for that and even magical beliefs,

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Speaker 1: aside just having a trusted confidant or an advisor, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're in a series, if you're in a position

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Speaker 1: where several million, several hundred million people in case of

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00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: any US president past nineteen fifty probably would like to

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Speaker 1: kill you. You know, it's good to have friends. Are

673
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. Yeah,

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00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I haven't learned much from TV

675
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and movies, but one thing I have learned is that

676
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: the bad guy is almost always the close trusted advisor.

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00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Oh like Scar almost always in the Lion King or Iago,

678
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: there's so many A lot of times it's the magician.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, it's the religious leader.

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Speaker 1: Just saying yeah, you know, that makes me think. Leads

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, if you were in a position of immense power,

682
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: or if you are now, do you practice having gurus?

683
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: Do you have a trusted advisor? Do you have even

684
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Speaker 1: if you are not in a position of quote unquote

685
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: immense power? Now, do you have a spiritual advisor? Do

686
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Speaker 1: you have someone that has a connection to things unseen

687
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: and little understood, and if so, do you follow their lead?

688
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Have you met with success or have you been burned

689
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: in the shamanistic rituals? We'd like to Yeah, whatever the

690
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: belief system, maybe we'd like to hear from you. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of which reminds us it's time for first shout

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Speaker 1: out Today comes from Simon Hey from Australia. Says, Simon

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Speaker 1: love the show, so I thought i'd give you a

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Speaker 1: story I heard from a friend's grandpapa. I inserted the

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Speaker 1: extra papa. He was in the navy in Al Salvador

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Speaker 1: or the US, and after this encounter, he and his

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00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: shipmates have never set foot back on a boat. When

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00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: they were out in the Atlantic one night, massive swells

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00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: began to form out of nowhere, and he said something

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Speaker 1: came out of the water that was so big that

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00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: its eyes were the size of a semi trailer. It

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Speaker 1: looked directly at the boat and went back under water.

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Speaker 1: So Simon says that when they reported this to the command,

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Speaker 1: they were basically dressed down by their commanders or whatever

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Speaker 1: and basically accused of being drunk. So he swears to

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Speaker 1: the story, and it doesn't go into too much more detail,

707
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: but he hates talking about him. Also, have you ever

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00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: heard about the westall Ufo sighting. I highly recommend you

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Speaker 1: sus it out as Australia is known for weird things

710
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: like UFO sightings. Keep up the good work and skadooche

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Speaker 1: nice Simon. That's a cool story. You know, the size

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Speaker 1: of a semi I like that. Yeah, that's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: You gotta really believe that, friends Grandpa, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I believe him, but I want to learn more. Also,

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Speaker 1: if there's a massive storm, maybe it's possible that something

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00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: that typically would be in the lower levels of the

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Speaker 1: ocean was pulled up to the surface momentarily or just

718
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: came to check it out, or just came to check

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Speaker 1: it out, just to see what the HAPs were. The

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Speaker 1: Westall UFO Encounter is a UFO story from nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: six where more than two hundred students and teachers at

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00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: these two schools witnessed in UFO descending on a field.

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Speaker 1: And it's an interesting case because I remember this, you know,

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00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: over two hundred people. Yeah, so there's a lot of corroboration.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Simon. That's a really good

726
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: idea too. Thank you so much for writing in And

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Speaker 1: I hope your friend's grandfather talks about it more. Often

728
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Speaker 1: that's you'd be surprised what people can remember when they

729
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: try the size of a semi that keeps yelp and

730
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: keeps baffling me. I don't want to see that. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: Writing in Simon, who's next next? Shout out goes to Cameron. Cameron,

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00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: that's your shout out, Cameron says, I was listening to

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Speaker 1: the Lucky Yates episode, and you pondered why aliens would

734
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Speaker 1: analyze the ethics of abducting humans and come to the

735
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: conclusion that they must return us to Earth after abducting us,

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Speaker 1: but that they do not have to ask permission in

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Speaker 1: the first place. It stands to reason that, by our morality,

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Speaker 1: the most ethical way to approach an abduction would be

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Speaker 1: to ask permission first and return the abductee to their

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Speaker 1: original state afterwards. This is a primary tenet of the

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00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: American justice system, after all. Cameron says, However, what if

742
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Speaker 1: alien morality does not parallel our own? Consider a man,

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Speaker 1: a human man who's sitting on a boat on a

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00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: lake with a pole attached to that pole as a

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00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: string with a hook on the end. This man is fishing.

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Speaker 1: I like, how You're right, Cameron. He will not ask

747
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Speaker 1: the fish for their permission before catching them. But there

748
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: stands a good chance that if he will not eat

749
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Speaker 1: the fish, he will throw it back into the lake.

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Speaker 1: Why does the man do this Well, because humans have

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00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: an ethical standard that they apply to fishing, whereby the

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00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: fish is returned to the water if it will not

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Speaker 1: be eaten. We call this catch and release. We do

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00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: this because we do not assign enough value to the

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00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: lives of the fish to require their permission. Oh wow, right,

756
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: good point. So is it possible that the aliens operate

757
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Speaker 1: with the same ethical dichotomy? Could they see us as

758
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Speaker 1: fish hiding underneath the surface of Earth's atmosphere and reason

759
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: that their ethics do not require them to ask permission

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Speaker 1: of us fish human folk, but do require them to

761
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: return us to Earth if they don't plan to eat

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Speaker 1: us and or to you know, do something that would

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Speaker 1: end our lives. Hmm, you know, I really I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate that point. To me, probably the stranger thing is

765
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Speaker 1: just how one would traverse the gulfs of time and space. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I really love the catch and release comparison. The reasoning

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Speaker 1: here is yaiful. What do you think, Matt? What do

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Speaker 1: you think? Though? I love this Cameron. If there are

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Speaker 1: in fact species of some sort that are advanced enough

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Speaker 1: to want to study humans and this is in fact

771
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Speaker 1: what they're doing, this makes so much sense to me.

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00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: M hmm. And that that one line in particular, we

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Speaker 1: do this because we do not assign enough value to

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Speaker 1: the lives of fish to require their permission. WHOA isn't

775
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: it funny to how even people that are like a

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00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: lot of you know, non meat eaters are okay with

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Speaker 1: eating fish like pesketarians because they aren't cuddly, they don't

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00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: seem to have you know, anthropomorphic type of traits. Yeah.

779
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone's out there, like I'm interested actually

780
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: to hear what your reasoning is behind it. Is it

781
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: like a health thing or is it in fact a

782
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: kind of more of an emotional thing. It's because their

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00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: water breathers. Man, they ain't breathe in air. Now, an

784
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: octopus is capable of experiencing emotion and recognition, right, So

785
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: so if that's if it's an ethical concern about like

786
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: the ability to suffer or have experience experience emotions, then

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Speaker 1: I guess a pescetarium shouldn't eat an octopus. I have

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00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: known pesket arians that will not eat cephalopods. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's different for different people, but let us know. Yeah,

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00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. And how can you prove if

791
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: a fish feels emotion or not because they're always just

792
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: going oh sorry, I'm so sorry. Oh man, no, I

793
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: respect that we're working live. Yeah, all right, Nolan, I

794
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: did a horse dance earlier. So now now the three

795
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: of us are back on even keel, we have time

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00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: one more shout out today from riconomed name assumed name.

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00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: Ricon says, I just listened to the Pyramid podcast and

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Speaker 1: the part at the end where you said your conversations

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Speaker 1: normally continue at a bar somewhere. I'd love if you

800
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: all did an after hours podcast where you were drinking

801
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: at a bar and continuing the conversation from a normal podcast.

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00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Ricon um drunk conspiracy see or I

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00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: mean even just like conspira drunk, the ambiance of a bar,

804
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: hanging out and having just maybe even if it's just

805
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: a beer or something with the cameo from the bartender.

806
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and then just have we could have special

807
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: guests come over and just hang out with us. You say,

808
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff once you've had a logger

809
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: or two. Well, yeah, look, we're still will still listen

810
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: back and Tristan will do his magic on whatever it is.

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: But I can imagine something really cool being there Tristan.

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00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: You have to edit sober though, right, that's that's the

813
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: rule he's given the no like not possible. Tristan will

814
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: be there with us, and he'll edit real time as

815
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: we're going, just like cut and then keep going. I

816
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: love this. I like the idea too. And we have

817
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, we have a couple of regular spots maybe

818
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: sometime in like October later in the year. Yeah, I've

819
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: been off the sauce this month. Yeah, we both have. Yeah,

820
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: that's true. You can have a cranberry. I didn't want

821
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: to talk out of school, but yeah, it's been pretty great. Actually,

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00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm I might. I might never go back. Oh well, hey,

823
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, man, more power

824
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: to you. Thanks buddy. Yeah, then I gotta tell you, hey,

825
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: you out a bar is not drinking. It is actually

826
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: really interesting and a lot of fun. I went to

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00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: a show the other night at a concert, saw this

828
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: amazing band, the Ocs. If anyone's ever heard of them,

829
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: or check them out there like this m LA kind

830
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: of garage e psychedelic punk kind of I don't know,

831
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: it's hard to even describe, but the dude that plays

832
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: guitar just blows it up. He's amazing and he's it's

833
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: it's really really cool music. But it was one of

834
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Speaker 1: the first times I've been to a concert like that

835
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: and not had a drink. And I felt so undistracted,

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00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: Like I watched the whole show, never moved, never worried

837
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: about getting back the bar, you're getting in line whatever.

838
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a much more full experience.

839
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Not to nice, sound preachy or anything.

840
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I really have been kind of digging. It's not more

841
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: of your money's worth. Just try too, you know. Yeah,

842
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: I went to a I went to one of our

843
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: local bars in the area here and I hung out

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Speaker 1: we got a hot dog from fries. Wow. It was great.

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Speaker 1: So we were obviously into this idea. Ricon and fellow listeners,

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Speaker 1: would be believe it or not, probably even more casual.

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Speaker 1: My thought is we could incorporate the Lucky Yates style

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Speaker 1: might be able to make this work. Gentleman, I'm game,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully you are. To let us know. For now,

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Speaker 1: that concludes ours but not our show. We will be

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Speaker 1: If it's your first time listening, let's make it interesting

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Speaker 1: And then with Instagram, just add show to the end

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Speaker 1: of it and that's the end of this classic episode.

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