Speaker 1: Look out, it's only films to be buried with the resurrection. Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a dream weaver, and I love film.
Speaker 1: As Loutsu once said, being deeply loved by someone gives
Speaker 1: you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage. Love
Speaker 1: the film shoplifters, and it will love you hard back. Agreed,
Speaker 1: So agreed, nice one, Loudsu. Every week I invite a
Speaker 1: special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then I
Speaker 1: get them to discuss their life through the films that
Speaker 1: meant the most of them. But not this week. This
Speaker 1: week I use my newly acquired shamanic powers to bring
Speaker 1: back a former guest from the dead and ask them
Speaker 1: twelve new questions. This week is the return of the
Speaker 1: Brilliant Stand Up Actor Writer Podcast, a brilliant all round
Speaker 1: brain mister Dane Baptiste. Head over to the patroon at
Speaker 1: intron dot com forward Slashbreck Goldstein, where you get an
Speaker 1: extra twenty five minutes of chat with Dane where we
Speaker 1: go deep, really deep. We talk about beginnings and endings.
Speaker 1: He's got an amazing secret. We can also get the
Speaker 1: whole episode uncutt and as a video check it out
Speaker 1: over at patriot dot Com Forward Slash Brett Goldstein. As usual,
Speaker 1: please watch Ted Lasso on an Apple TV Plus app.
Speaker 1: You can also watch the film that we made in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Super Bob and the show Soulmates, both of
Speaker 1: which are available on Amazon Prime in most countries. So
Speaker 1: Dame Baptize Dame Baptiste. I mean, I've had him on
Speaker 1: the show once before and then I re released this
Speaker 1: episode because it was so incredible with a new introductors.
Speaker 1: But this is the first time I'm having him back
Speaker 1: for a full, all new resurrection. I always feel like
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a privilege just to talk to
Speaker 1: him for an hour, and we recorded this very recently,
Speaker 1: and as usual, he blow my fucking mind, and I
Speaker 1: think you'll feel the same way. It's an excellent episode
Speaker 1: with an excellent man. I hope you love it. So
Speaker 1: that is it for now. I very much hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy episode one hundred and eighty five of Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried with Resurrection. Hello, and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried with the Resurrection. I am joined back today
Speaker 1: for the fact the third time on this podcast a
Speaker 1: record breaking third time. He's an actor, he's a writer,
Speaker 1: he's a stand up, he's a lover, he's a gentleman,
Speaker 1: he's a warrior. He's been on the news, he's been
Speaker 1: in your house, he's been on your Telly. He's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest brains we have in Britain. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. The Hero, the Legend, the wonder is
Speaker 1: mister Day Bad Taste. Oh, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: such a wonderful introduction. I'm gonna need it in writing,
Speaker 1: but no, thank hell very much. Hello, Hello, and a
Speaker 1: happy New Year to you and the listeners. And it
Speaker 1: is a pleasure to be a part of what's turned
Speaker 1: into a trilogy. So it's so good. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: you one once. Your episode blew everyone's mind, blew everyone's
Speaker 1: mind so much that we did a rerelease of it,
Speaker 1: which I almost never do with a new introduction from you,
Speaker 1: and I had to leave a little gap before I
Speaker 1: could bring you back to life. I'm fucking delighted to
Speaker 1: have you back. And I actually haven't seen you in ages.
Speaker 1: What a nice tree has it been. It's been good man.
Speaker 1: This is like I feel like this is the opposite
Speaker 1: of a triple threat like a triple delight. It's been
Speaker 1: a while, I'm back part of a trilogy. Good to
Speaker 1: see your face again. So yeah, all good things. I'm
Speaker 1: real happy to be back. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the resurrections go where movies are concerned,
Speaker 1: I want this to be a good one. I always
Speaker 1: go well, as I'm sure we all know. I've got
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. A couple of things I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about. Firstly, you did an amazing,
Speaker 1: I'm truly brilliant pilot called Baymous. Was this last year?
Speaker 1: Yeahs last year. I really really loved it. It It was
Speaker 1: so funny and clever and brilliant. Is there going to
Speaker 1: be more famous? I'm hoping so. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to happen with the BBC, but I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: take the format and the concept forward elsewhere. So if
Speaker 1: there are any producers listening, then I have ideas will travel.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still it's a shame. It's got a
Speaker 1: lot of good feedback and I would like to have
Speaker 1: continued with the BBC where it started, but for a
Speaker 1: number of unforeseen circumstances, don't seem to be happening anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see. I'm sure it'll be it
Speaker 1: will be reincarnated and other guys. But I'm hoping based
Speaker 1: on the feedback I've got that somebody will see the potential.
Speaker 1: If anyone is listening to this and hadn't seen Famous,
Speaker 1: Watch Famous, then can you please buy it and put
Speaker 1: it on in Telly. There's a joke in that that
Speaker 1: I think I've quoted so many times but craziested you
Speaker 1: don't worry, but I think it's a near perfect joke
Speaker 1: about about dancing. Do you remember it? Oh? Yes, another one? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna do it. That will give you.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got to go watch Watch It was dancing bits
Speaker 1: exactly how those people have to go and watch it? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: no plot spoilers. And my friend, so somebody typing back
Speaker 1: now last time we spoke. Last time we spoke was
Speaker 1: in the middle of the Black Lives matters marches that
Speaker 1: were happening. There was a real movement going on, it seemed.
Speaker 1: And I guess what I wanted to ask your brain,
Speaker 1: because you know, I like to hang out in it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel a year after that? I think
Speaker 1: it's a year now, isn't it. With all the big
Speaker 1: sort of seismic events that happened in the world in
Speaker 1: the last year. How much do you think has changed,
Speaker 1: how much has stayed the same, how much is worse,
Speaker 1: how much is better? How do you feel now about
Speaker 1: the general state of things. I feel like there is
Speaker 1: there seems to be a drive for those who have
Speaker 1: enjoyed the privilege of and profit from the status quote,
Speaker 1: trying to shift us back to a previous state where
Speaker 1: these things happen. And what you don't get is a
Speaker 1: large vocalized backlash or the articulation of people's plight. But
Speaker 1: I think that we've probably passed a point whereby we
Speaker 1: can go back to that in the first place. So
Speaker 1: I think while that's happening, that was happening alongside the pandemic,
Speaker 1: just the social fabric has changed. It's been restitched in
Speaker 1: some places. I think it's been frayed in others. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of elements to previous institutions
Speaker 1: that have allowed things like racism to perpetuate. The figureheads
Speaker 1: of these institutions now are they're untenable. I think we're
Speaker 1: at a point now where when a head of a
Speaker 1: country when it is being critiqued for they're encompassing their
Speaker 1: job and they're sponsors to call an opposition leader an
Speaker 1: apologist for a child molester. I think we are kind
Speaker 1: of get into the get We'll get into the we'll
Speaker 1: get into the cold, We'll get to the end of
Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, we're starting to wrap things up. I
Speaker 1: think aspect ratio is about to change on this movie
Speaker 1: that we call Life. It's sad to say that. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of things haven't changed. I think, however,
Speaker 1: I mean, revolution and social progression is not something that
Speaker 1: can happen even in the space of a year. So
Speaker 1: I think that awareness has been created. I think there
Speaker 1: is some elements of nomenclature and ideas that a larger
Speaker 1: audience are aware of now that they weren't necessarily aware of.
Speaker 1: I think even the discussion of something like privilege, for example,
Speaker 1: is a what's a conversation that people were very reticent
Speaker 1: or very defensive about having. I think people are a
Speaker 1: lot more prepared to indulge conversations about privilege than they
Speaker 1: have been before. I think positively, voice more marginalized voices
Speaker 1: are being able to speak and be able to participate
Speaker 1: in discourse. And I think some of the backlash people
Speaker 1: are getting is just you know, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dinosaurs that can see a meteor over their
Speaker 1: way of life, they don't really like it. So I
Speaker 1: feel like there's been some change, it's not been a
Speaker 1: drastic one, and I think people are trying to move
Speaker 1: things back to how they were. But I think that's
Speaker 1: the normal pathology of people who realize that their way
Speaker 1: of life is about to change and the social fabric
Speaker 1: crme them is changing. That people can be very resistant
Speaker 1: to that. But I think things are changing, whether people
Speaker 1: want them to or not. But yeah, we've still got
Speaker 1: a very long way to go, but it's only but
Speaker 1: it's only been a year, you know, And Yeah has
Speaker 1: said it takes longer been a year for things to change,
Speaker 1: But then all it takes is for one thing to
Speaker 1: change everything straight away. So I think we're going on
Speaker 1: as usual. When we last Spike, we talked about because
Speaker 1: it really it really hit me that American Hollywood films
Speaker 1: the cops are the good guys, that that is such
Speaker 1: a base narrative for so many films. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're watching a film about cops, and it was only
Speaker 1: you know, the you know stuff of the last few
Speaker 1: years where it was like, hang on a minute, they
Speaker 1: do this stuff. I think I think that that was
Speaker 1: an epiphany we all reached, especially I mean black community
Speaker 1: especially have been fooled because a lot of time, that's
Speaker 1: the natural progression for like rappers that transcend into like
Speaker 1: making films and television, is that they often play police officers,
Speaker 1: and so the benevolence of law enforcement has been We've
Speaker 1: been very much by the idea of the betterments of
Speaker 1: law enforcement a lot of time. A lot of your
Speaker 1: comedic heroes, it's normally like buddy cops, so they go
Speaker 1: for so buddy cop films make us all think, oh,
Speaker 1: the police are called they're the ones that get on
Speaker 1: but they speak to animals and they get funny black dudes,
Speaker 1: and so I think we've all been like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is not what happens in real life. It's been rude
Speaker 1: awakening for everyone involved. Really, And do you think, because
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, we're talking about culture, is
Speaker 1: it do you think there's been changed? I mean, all
Speaker 1: I can tell you I haven't seen all of it,
Speaker 1: but I'm aware that Brooklyn ninety nine as a show
Speaker 1: that I think they for their final season is a
Speaker 1: funny cop show if you'd never seen it. I think
Speaker 1: that they were all like uncomfortable and they were like,
Speaker 1: I think they changed the fabric of the show. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what they did, but they definitely did
Speaker 1: something different, yeah, because they were like, yeah, we kind
Speaker 1: of just be great guys. Yeah. They I think they've
Speaker 1: always been very good at kind of addressing a lot
Speaker 1: of these issues within Brooklyn nine nine. Obviously there's a
Speaker 1: limit to which or how much they are able to
Speaker 1: delve into these very difficult topics. I think it's much
Speaker 1: It's definitely more of a personality led the show than
Speaker 1: it is about kind of glorifying or enforcement. So I
Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, I think it would have pinched your shot, really,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a good example of, you know,
Speaker 1: people using their platform responsibly to kind of have these conversations.
Speaker 1: And I'm almost and you know, comedy is normally one
Speaker 1: of the most I think it's probably one of the
Speaker 1: most effective ways of approaching to boost subjects. And I
Speaker 1: think you know, when you give it, I think when
Speaker 1: you're given the quintessential sitcom audience that's not normally something
Speaker 1: that people want to have discussed on a show like that. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is quite as good to see the approach, I suppose.
Speaker 1: So you are now on tour, correct, Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to be finished off my tourks on. My tour
Speaker 1: was postponed during the beginning of the pandemic and then
Speaker 1: a few shows out of London, but I'm trying to
Speaker 1: finish the show. I'm able to finish the tour show
Speaker 1: now in London, so where it started before the pandemic
Speaker 1: started at the Soho Theater and I'm returning to the
Speaker 1: Soho Theater in March to do the last last week
Speaker 1: of shows. Do you has your tours show changed? Is
Speaker 1: it the same as it was a year ago when
Speaker 1: you had to keep post playing it? It's not changed
Speaker 1: a lot, I think because thematically, I was already kind
Speaker 1: of discussing the issues that have been at the forefront
Speaker 1: of a public discourse for the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So my show was basically about, you know, how people
Speaker 1: interpret or perceive black anger and how that's kind of
Speaker 1: either commodified or as weaponized. And it was really a
Speaker 1: show that was about having a unfiltered conversation about race
Speaker 1: relations in the UK and addressing a lot of the
Speaker 1: defensive reactions, whether it's like it's not as bad as America,
Speaker 1: or class breeds more than race in the UK, or
Speaker 1: we're not as bad. It's really a show that it's
Speaker 1: been like, we're at the point now where we can't
Speaker 1: deny the dis that exist within this country, whether they
Speaker 1: are along racial lines, national lines, even down to our
Speaker 1: divisions of north and south and by partisan lines, and
Speaker 1: if you fail to address it on a literal, skin
Speaker 1: deep level, then division is going to break part the
Speaker 1: whole country. And so the last two years have kind
Speaker 1: of been me being like, I know what to say.
Speaker 1: I told you so. So it's actually been quite quite
Speaker 1: gratifying really to see, like, you know, this is all
Speaker 1: all the stuff I'm saying I've been saying in shows
Speaker 1: for years when critics have tried to play it down,
Speaker 1: is now part of the massive over conversation that everyone's
Speaker 1: having in every kind of arena of discourse. So yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, yeah, the show's not really need to change
Speaker 1: as much. Yeah, it's more of updating jokes and updating
Speaker 1: material just to make it more exciting for me. And
Speaker 1: for audiences itself, but so far as the themes of
Speaker 1: the shows and what the show discusses, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's probably been more poignant than ever. The world is
Speaker 1: finally caught up with you. Yeah, basically like that, particularly
Speaker 1: in this country. So it's it's been, Yes, it's been,
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been. It's been cool that spect and
Speaker 1: you know, as a result of which, I've seen some
Speaker 1: change in the aesthetic of the landscape of comedy in
Speaker 1: this country. But there's still a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: and I still address some of that in the show
Speaker 1: as well, because I still think we're at a point
Speaker 1: now where black creativity, particularly the UK, is still seen
Speaker 1: somewhat as a monolith, and even though people are able
Speaker 1: to kind of transcend or like multitask to an extent
Speaker 1: in our industry, I still feel like, you know, as
Speaker 1: a comic, you'll probably get passed over in this country
Speaker 1: as a black comic for a rapper or a more
Speaker 1: prominent influencer in comedy than your white counterpartment. Like I
Speaker 1: don't imagine that Professor Green, for example, would be the
Speaker 1: go to to present or be on the panel of Taskmaster,
Speaker 1: whereas as a black comic you're still kind of competing
Speaker 1: with black influencers and black rappers and singers, and so
Speaker 1: we're still not at the point where there's enough nuance
Speaker 1: given to the work we contribute towards creativities. So that's
Speaker 1: the large part of what the show is about. But
Speaker 1: the show is really just about the fact that, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's really me just trying to provoke people
Speaker 1: to kind of be like, be open about what pisses
Speaker 1: you off. Like, you know, if we're all having discussions
Speaker 1: about mental health, then there's no reason why anger and
Speaker 1: how to process that, particularly the state that we're in now,
Speaker 1: should be a difficult conversation to have. Like people have
Speaker 1: been very isolated, they must have been felt very marginalized.
Speaker 1: And you know, most people perceive convicts and inmates to
Speaker 1: be naturally aggressive, but you know, that's an experience that
Speaker 1: we've all shared and not been able to have our
Speaker 1: personal freedoms restricted, not having access to our families. So
Speaker 1: it would be remiss of us not to think that
Speaker 1: we've developed some of somewhat of a chip on our
Speaker 1: shoulders as a result of like the last the events
Speaker 1: of the last two years. So as the show's kind
Speaker 1: of be being like, you know, like in the film
Speaker 1: Network me being like, we're mad as well, we're not
Speaker 1: going to take an anymore. And you, listen, you were
Speaker 1: very very cerebral. Man, Is that the fad to say?
Speaker 1: As in I'd like to think, So yeah, you're certainly
Speaker 1: the one as smart as people, right know. I try
Speaker 1: to think more than I speak, is what I try
Speaker 1: to do. Really. I think both people think I'm maybe
Speaker 1: a bit too equacious, but I'm like, I tried to
Speaker 1: think a lot more than I speak. And I like
Speaker 1: to think as well. In a world where you know,
Speaker 1: it's very much democratized world of opinions, I like to
Speaker 1: think that I take time to think about what I
Speaker 1: say before I say it. So yeah, how much are
Speaker 1: you when you talk about angry and stuff? How much
Speaker 1: are you angry? Or how much are you because you
Speaker 1: always seem to me very listen, this is how you
Speaker 1: come across and they may not, of course be true.
Speaker 1: You come across as very calm and thoughtful, like in
Speaker 1: a way that like if one is in therapy and
Speaker 1: you're would step back from the feeling and just observe
Speaker 1: it and then don't don't get overwhelmed by the feeling.
Speaker 1: The way you come across as a friend and as
Speaker 1: a person is is that is like the quite enlightened
Speaker 1: in terms of you seem calm and you see the
Speaker 1: stuff and you deal with it. Is that true? Or
Speaker 1: are you sickly fucking fuming all the time when to
Speaker 1: kill everyone? Oh? No, I think I think that's very true.
Speaker 1: I think I personally think as exactly as you describe me.
Speaker 1: And I tried to be very analytical and cerebral and yeah,
Speaker 1: to look at things from a more objective perspective. But
Speaker 1: I think, and this is this is why I've never
Speaker 1: told anybody before, because that my anger really is. It's
Speaker 1: how I am processed more like humanitarian sorrow, Like I'm
Speaker 1: really worried for the world and I'm really worry about
Speaker 1: where we're going as people. But it's so what people
Speaker 1: tend to perceive as me being angry is more the
Speaker 1: fact that my heart bleeds for the world, and it's
Speaker 1: more and the tone is rather than being accusatory, it's
Speaker 1: more alarmist. I really try in my work try to
Speaker 1: warn people of what can happen if they don't address
Speaker 1: a lot of these complexes that they may have. So
Speaker 1: for example, like, you know, I read about people like
Speaker 1: Kanye or I read about you know, it's incidences or
Speaker 1: people like Frank Bruno and stuff who have succumbed to
Speaker 1: like acute issues of mental health, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not really surprised. It's it's I don't think people really
Speaker 1: when they consider representation, it's not really necessarily about box
Speaker 1: ticking of fueling quotas or numbers itself. It's human beings
Speaker 1: are a social species, and so our self image contributes
Speaker 1: massively to our you know, to our state of mental health.
Speaker 1: And if you don't see or hear anything that seems
Speaker 1: to represent yourself, then you can lose a sense of self.
Speaker 1: And you know, over time that can definitely affect you.
Speaker 1: And I've learned, as we all do, that our careers
Speaker 1: and our profile can kind of wax and wayne in
Speaker 1: the creative industry, but really, peace of mind is the
Speaker 1: one thing you can't necessarily buy, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: you look at someone like Kanye West now and he's
Speaker 1: going through a divorce and it's been a very public one,
Speaker 1: and this has all happened after him becoming a billionaire,
Speaker 1: and you know, people have all of their opinions about
Speaker 1: the state of his relationship with Kim kardash and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and I just think to myself, I'm like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the thing is if you strip down all of the
Speaker 1: profile of pomposity around these two names or brands, like
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian is an Armenian woman whose ancestors or parents
Speaker 1: would have fled Armenia to an escape a genocide. Essentially
Speaker 1: is raising four black children. So to watch the father
Speaker 1: of her children closing up next to a man who
Speaker 1: wanted to link four black men for a crown that
Speaker 1: didn't commit, like, of course she'd leave you. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how do people not see that?
Speaker 1: And the things that people tend to focus on, I
Speaker 1: just find it crazy. But it's even like, you know,
Speaker 1: when I look at the state of our political system now,
Speaker 1: for me, like when people might see tweets from me
Speaker 1: or have or narratives which appear to be angry, my
Speaker 1: anger really stems from the fear that I don't really
Speaker 1: think people understand how bad austerity is going to be.
Speaker 1: And I really feel like if people were aware of
Speaker 1: how the powers that they are planning to damage your
Speaker 1: way of life I think we would have a revolution.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, even now the people are hearing
Speaker 1: about like rising energy prices and stuff, So yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't It gets really worrying. So I guess anger's sometimes
Speaker 1: a way of processing it very now and again. But
Speaker 1: I tend to find that being able to have the cathosis,
Speaker 1: whether it's through performing performance or even talking to people,
Speaker 1: is actually very helpful. And I always and a lot
Speaker 1: of time I do get like my detractors kind of
Speaker 1: like frown at this, but I always feel like the
Speaker 1: psychiatry industry probably wouldn't be as prosperous if we all
Speaker 1: hide people we could just talk to about shit like this.
Speaker 1: I really, I really feel like it wouldn't be as
Speaker 1: like even like antidepressors wouldn't sell the way they would
Speaker 1: if people could just talk honestly to other people without
Speaker 1: feeling the need to politically identify with an agenda or
Speaker 1: an idea, and just be able to empathize with other people.
Speaker 1: I think most people believe that, but most people are
Speaker 1: forced to conform into a narrative because they live within
Speaker 1: a capitalist society or they're from a particular culture. Is
Speaker 1: this is is that your way of dealing when you
Speaker 1: get if you get overwhelmed by sadness or anger or
Speaker 1: fear or any of it, do you do other things?
Speaker 1: Do you meditate? Do you or is it just talking
Speaker 1: to people? I guess I just talking to people only
Speaker 1: because I guess I feel that my internal monologue about
Speaker 1: this stuff is the part that most people can identify with.
Speaker 1: And I really feel like at the quantum of most
Speaker 1: of most human beings, there's esoteric truths that people actually know,
Speaker 1: but it's not prepared to do it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people will go and see a therapist
Speaker 1: with a partner, or they may have a couple of
Speaker 1: therapy or you know, And I feel like it's even
Speaker 1: because a therapist can't involuntarily make someone take accountability for directions,
Speaker 1: there's a limit to which that person can kind of
Speaker 1: be engaged. So the true efficacy or something like psychiatry
Speaker 1: requires morality for it to work, even though it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like a science. You need someone who cares
Speaker 1: enough about the people they may have affected, or cares
Speaker 1: about preserving whatever paradigm relationship they have with people, to
Speaker 1: be honest about who they are. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's that that lack of interpersonal honesty we all
Speaker 1: have that's going to ultimately be the most damaging thing
Speaker 1: to our species. And I think, you know, Don't Look
Speaker 1: Up was like a real, real nice cathartic film that
Speaker 1: I saw recently that it really helped me to kind
Speaker 1: of be like, it's not just me. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: just me from that from that perspective as well, whereas like,
Speaker 1: oh so obviously everyone knows the truth, but they just
Speaker 1: fucking out like they don't for me. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: very gratifying to see. Good bless you, Dame Baptiste. Jane Baptiste,
Speaker 1: you have been brought back to life because I will
Speaker 1: like you, you get a second chance. But one point
Speaker 1: in your life, will you come back to what? Will
Speaker 1: you change? Any regrets? Oh? Will you start exactly where
Speaker 1: you left off? Design now, Dane, good questions. I'm going
Speaker 1: to start off where I left off. Let's just get
Speaker 1: back to it. Let's get back to it. No regrets,
Speaker 1: not happing to change, Let's get on with it. This
Speaker 1: is it. Let's get back to it. Let's keep going
Speaker 1: as we as we were. Love that love that about you?
Speaker 1: All right? Will you come back to life? Everyone's very
Speaker 1: excited to see they really missed you. Actually, everybody good
Speaker 1: to have you all both, Thank you very much. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you about Heaven they told me, I'd say nothing,
Speaker 1: Oh really nothing, not even a clue. It's a big
Speaker 1: part of the hor resurrection thing. Breads so much small
Speaker 1: print up there, or is it? I can't even tell you.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell you. Then at least tell me.
Speaker 1: They have movie night. They have movie night up. Oh,
Speaker 1: every night can be a movie night. That's why it's
Speaker 1: called heaven. Bread. Yes, you've come back to life and
Speaker 1: people want to talk to you about your life through film. Weirdly,
Speaker 1: and the first thing they ask you is what was
Speaker 1: the last film you saw in that taste? Well, as
Speaker 1: I said, I just remember it. I think the last
Speaker 1: film I saw was Don't Look Up, which was in
Speaker 1: Netflix film. I'm glad you liked it. I was in
Speaker 1: the same way I felt about Vice. I was surprised
Speaker 1: that it was so divisive and so many people were
Speaker 1: mad at it. I was like, this is a good thing,
Speaker 1: no beef with it. I found it. I thought it's
Speaker 1: fantastically acted, Yeah, definitely, and very enjoyable. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really good at thinking I thought it was really relatable.
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a film, is it Adam kay? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of his films. Yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of his films. They're definitely a talent
Speaker 1: led in that you can tell a lot of the
Speaker 1: cast have literally in that film because they love the
Speaker 1: script and they love the themes of the film, and
Speaker 1: you can kind of see that in how it kind
Speaker 1: of plays out. But yeah, I don't understand how the
Speaker 1: film can be devisive at all. Like, even if you
Speaker 1: choose to enjoy that film on a satirical or superficial level,
Speaker 1: then it shouldn't be particularly offensive. It's really just taking
Speaker 1: lots of contemporary themes that are very relevant that we
Speaker 1: discuss on a regular basis and making Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: very effective architects and composites to tell a really good story.
Speaker 1: So it's a bit like Your Torch Show in that
Speaker 1: it was written before the pandemic and it just became
Speaker 1: more true, like the world caught up with the film.
Speaker 1: I think in a way, I think what people weirdly,
Speaker 1: what people were annoyed about with the film is they
Speaker 1: were I think that they were like, it's so on thenose,
Speaker 1: that's like it's not even satire, it's just exactly what's
Speaker 1: going on. And I think a year before it had
Speaker 1: been satire, it had been you know, you don't look
Speaker 1: up idea had been made up. And then it was like, no,
Speaker 1: we're all there. Yeah, we've been there. I mean, i'd
Speaker 1: say we've been there for a while. I think as
Speaker 1: soon as like the head of publicity for the White
Speaker 1: House said, alternate facts, we already welcomed like lilies into
Speaker 1: our vernacular and so and also what's from the stuff
Speaker 1: being on the nose? Like we enjoy ritualistic and stylized
Speaker 1: violence on the nose all the time, so you know
Speaker 1: a film doesn't show any over violence or sexuality. Be
Speaker 1: on the nose is very telling about, you know, our
Speaker 1: collective consciousness as people nowadays. Interesting Dame bap Taste, who
Speaker 1: do you think should play you in the film of
Speaker 1: your life? I'm not sure? It is it a weird
Speaker 1: thing I never think about like a biopic or do
Speaker 1: play me in a movie? I like it is quite weird.
Speaker 1: I think about your biopic a lot, I think about
Speaker 1: yours all the time, but my own one, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I leave it opened because I feel like in the
Speaker 1: world of acting, there might be an undiscovered talent there,
Speaker 1: so I would necessarily be like, I insist that it's
Speaker 1: this personal someone that might be already have a profile.
Speaker 1: You never know where you might find talent. So there
Speaker 1: might be someone out there who's analyzed my speech and
Speaker 1: mannerism so well and they're just waiting for this role
Speaker 1: to come up. So I want to leave the casting
Speaker 1: open to find that person. But failing that, Kyle Smith
Speaker 1: Bleno who plays in staff Let's Flats, He's really funny.
Speaker 1: That is a really good we both got similar haircut.
Speaker 1: But I think he did a great job. That's a
Speaker 1: really good chat. He would do a great job. That's
Speaker 1: perfect casting. You know what you're doing. We're not getting
Speaker 1: someone nine name, We're getting him getting Dame Baptiste. What
Speaker 1: is I think? I don't know this for sure. I
Speaker 1: suspect that you are a romantic. I think so. No, No,
Speaker 1: definitely a romantic. What's the nice romantic film you've ever say?
Speaker 1: It's a good question. It's a good question. Good question.
Speaker 1: There's a film or theres a series of films called
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf and Cub and some people might know them
Speaker 1: as know the film Baby cart on the River Sticks, right,
Speaker 1: But it's an old seventies like feudal Japan era action epic,
Speaker 1: like a Japanese film about the samurai called a Gammy Ito,
Speaker 1: and it's about he was a showgun's executioner and a
Speaker 1: secret ninja clan is trying to replace him, and so
Speaker 1: they kill his family, and so he goes on a
Speaker 1: journey to May for Mardu, which is the world of
Speaker 1: fire in Shinto culture, on a bloody path to revenge,
Speaker 1: and he brings along his son as well, and he
Speaker 1: basically goes on vengeance to avenge his family. And it's
Speaker 1: just a very graphic, very violent epic. But I'm like
Speaker 1: all of this because your wife died, so he must
Speaker 1: really really love his wife. Like the guys. He's a
Speaker 1: showguns executioner, so it's on a healthy wage. He's got
Speaker 1: a son, so he's got an heir, and you know,
Speaker 1: feudal patriarchal Japan, he would be fine, but these guys
Speaker 1: killed his wife. So essentially he wipes out two ninja
Speaker 1: clans and basically everyone that stands in his way on
Speaker 1: his path to hell as he seeks vengeance for the
Speaker 1: loss of his family, and I'm like, that's love right there.
Speaker 1: That's pretty romantic. So by your wrestling now, John Wick
Speaker 1: is a very romantic film about a man and a dog.
Speaker 1: I mean it is, but it's more about the fact
Speaker 1: that he hasn't got the emotional intelligence to process his
Speaker 1: grief because he could just be in a bar and
Speaker 1: just get drunken by it. But he's like, if my
Speaker 1: lover isn't here, my dog isn't here, none of these
Speaker 1: people should should be here. So it's romantic, but it's
Speaker 1: more tragic in the fact that it's like these men
Speaker 1: are so paralyzed by their love of their partners, who
Speaker 1: clearly see something in them that they felt they don't have,
Speaker 1: that they are just consumed by grief and self hatred
Speaker 1: and project that everywhere. And it's just almost like bits
Speaker 1: me to be like, oh, you just need a hunt
Speaker 1: from your missus, mate. And I feel like that's such
Speaker 1: a big part of the complex of toxic masculinity. I
Speaker 1: think there's a I think there's so many men out
Speaker 1: there who would just if they could honestly just say
Speaker 1: I loved her with everything and she broke my heart
Speaker 1: and left me, that there's we would really address a
Speaker 1: key part of what makes up the specter of toxic
Speaker 1: masculinity and toxic patriarchy stuff like that, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of men who because can't say, she broke my
Speaker 1: heart and I loved it with everything, and every day
Speaker 1: she's gone, I feel like a husk. I'm naked in
Speaker 1: the cold and darkness, and there's no amount of carnality
Speaker 1: that will replace the love that this woman had for me.
Speaker 1: So being able to select to myself, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: how I was able to become a good comedian because
Speaker 1: I had a lot of free evenings and it made
Speaker 1: a heartbreak. Definitely made a man of me. And yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: And you didn't go on a three film killing spree. No, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. But um but I know a lot
Speaker 1: of men tend to project onto these archetypes, and you know,
Speaker 1: in cells they do project onto these archetypes of these
Speaker 1: of these lone wolves that exact vengeance on alphas and
Speaker 1: the like, And I really feel like love in cells,
Speaker 1: if they could just openly be honest and be like,
Speaker 1: I loved her and she broke my heart, then we
Speaker 1: could probably probably less of a need for those kind
Speaker 1: of films. And so they're like there like men's romance
Speaker 1: films really, and I guess it's almost it's almost like
Speaker 1: the justification that you find for these archetypes to like
Speaker 1: exact all of this violence is then be like he
Speaker 1: had everything and he lost a woman he loved and
Speaker 1: now he's out for vengeance. And so I guess for
Speaker 1: men that's how they feel like by me doing these
Speaker 1: alpha displays of hyper stylized violence, it shows I could
Speaker 1: love a woman and being a monogamous relationship, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but we could also as men, try telling her how
Speaker 1: you feel and then you won't feel so consumed with
Speaker 1: grief if you ever lose the opportunity due to unforeseen circumstances.
Speaker 1: So I'd say that one, or I'd say if not
Speaker 1: low More from Carve a film I sol recently which
Speaker 1: is very romantic. Was Queen and Slim. I so romantic,
Speaker 1: it's so intense and as a sexy film, such a
Speaker 1: sexy film, really great film, amazing casting love leaving with
Speaker 1: and everything she does. But yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 1: I don't think you get a greater demonstration of love
Speaker 1: and and black love, which has a genre unto itself.
Speaker 1: Then defending the woman you love from police brutality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I thought that's a really good film. It's a
Speaker 1: still film I see very still see, very vividly in
Speaker 1: my mind that doesn't require Yeah. So yeah, great film
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't even need to see again, even though
Speaker 1: it's a very romantic film. Um, but it's romantic for
Speaker 1: all the right reasons. I think person only love prevailing
Speaker 1: in more strenuous circumstances, it's a lot more profound than
Speaker 1: when you see it blossoming in like a Roman com
Speaker 1: where everyone comes from a very privileged background and London
Speaker 1: to them is like phone boxes and black taxes. I
Speaker 1: think if you're facing mortal danger, under run for your
Speaker 1: life and throughout that you can still act selflessly for
Speaker 1: somebody else. I think that doesn't get really wrong romantic
Speaker 1: than that beautiful answer. What's the best film you ever
Speaker 1: saw that you never want to see again? Dame Back
Speaker 1: tweets that's a good question. Um, I think maybe no,
Speaker 1: mad Land. It's a really good answer. I have to agree.
Speaker 1: It's it's an amazing film, flawlessly done. I think the
Speaker 1: style of how it's shot like there's such a very
Speaker 1: thin line between what has kind of been created for
Speaker 1: you know, stories to take of storytelling. But I can't
Speaker 1: tell what's really then what's actually been kind of film
Speaker 1: And that's why it works so well. Yeah again in Frost,
Speaker 1: McDorman is another person that really ever misses and I
Speaker 1: think No Man Land is a film that everyone should see.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say I didn't see it
Speaker 1: once is that if that film doesn't make you acting
Speaker 1: your best interest for your own personal or spiritual well being,
Speaker 1: then I don't know what will. Yeah, but it's that
Speaker 1: that's the film that's um If anyone who who claims
Speaker 1: to wholeheartedly believe in support a free economy in the
Speaker 1: West should watch that film. If you can watch that
Speaker 1: film and you're fine with it, then yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: really challenge your perceptions, but I personally feel like, if
Speaker 1: you should watch that film, yeah, it's awesome. It surprised me.
Speaker 1: It was a very lovely film. I think it surprised
Speaker 1: me how lovely it was as well, like it was
Speaker 1: really quite profound and and very like warm. I sort
Speaker 1: of assumed it was going to be a depressing film,
Speaker 1: and there was so much and love. It's a really
Speaker 1: lovely film. Actually, I take it back. I would watch
Speaker 1: it again. What's the best action film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: Dane back Fleets. Oh, so many choices here, I would
Speaker 1: say Fist of Legend. It is a great film. I
Speaker 1: think Fist of Legend is the film that was choreographed
Speaker 1: by the action choreographer Yen Rooping and was the reason
Speaker 1: why Quentin Tarantino recruited him for Kill Bill. The Raid
Speaker 1: is also very good. Yeah, it's kind of like the
Speaker 1: Radio because it's almost like very russtick in terms of
Speaker 1: its hour shows the action scenes as it is on Back.
Speaker 1: I think Tony jarr is one of the best action
Speaker 1: styles since Jackie Chan, who was in another one of
Speaker 1: my favorite action films, just as Armor of God two,
Speaker 1: Operation Condor, which has the famous fight between him and
Speaker 1: the Amazon women, which is great. But then also Avengers
Speaker 1: Endgame because I've always been a massive comic book fan.
Speaker 1: So that final scene when it's like forty seven characters,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you, Holly for me.
Speaker 1: That was Hollywood and this these studios have made up
Speaker 1: for all of the failed attempts at like adaptations and
Speaker 1: all of the times they've given blank checks to people
Speaker 1: that didn't deserve them, like after that scene in Avenger's
Speaker 1: End Game, like I all prepared to forgive ben Affleck
Speaker 1: for playing Dad Devil. That's how much that meant to me.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I was. I
Speaker 1: wasn't as vocal about ben Affleck doing Batman as I
Speaker 1: was about Dad Devil. You know, I've been able, I've
Speaker 1: been able to mellow out about about that since I've
Speaker 1: got an order so much so, like Avenger's Endgame has
Speaker 1: given me so much faith in comic book adaptations, like
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson, who was he was it a column in
Speaker 1: Twilight and he's playing Batman and I'm like, let's give
Speaker 1: him a gun. I'm team Patterson. He's fucking great. He
Speaker 1: is great. He is great. I gotta say he is great.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got nothing against him. He's great. I
Speaker 1: think I think he'll do a great job. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw his action chops in Tenant and
Speaker 1: I like those, and you know, I believe in the guy.
Speaker 1: And especially I'm really looking forward to seeing Paul Dano
Speaker 1: as the Riddler. Yeah, that's gonna be really good. Of
Speaker 1: all the films, if you had, if you had to
Speaker 1: game back tweets which film do you think you could
Speaker 1: have made and why I've got this question quite simple,
Speaker 1: and that's only because I want to show that I
Speaker 1: have reverence for people that are creators or make an
Speaker 1: effort to make a feature length motion picture. So I
Speaker 1: would say maybe The Blair Witch or Paranormal Activity. And
Speaker 1: I'm just looking from a purely logistic logistical perspective where
Speaker 1: setting up the shots will probably be the easiest to
Speaker 1: do with those particular films, because it's like when people
Speaker 1: in a pub watch a football ago shit utherly better
Speaker 1: than that. I'm like less than one percent of the
Speaker 1: people in this entire country could do that, So no
Speaker 1: doubt you could, and you know, in the same thing
Speaker 1: with films, and that is very easy to proticute these things.
Speaker 1: But at this point, I'm like, it's not as easy
Speaker 1: as it looks. So I'd go for those two in
Speaker 1: terms of logistics. But as far as the films that
Speaker 1: I would like to have made, I have, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have idea to fan fiction and films i'd like
Speaker 1: to make. One being I wanted to do a Blade film, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it with kill Monger from
Speaker 1: Black Panther being resurrected as a vampire, and then there's
Speaker 1: like a Blade and Black Panther crossover, and then they
Speaker 1: could bring that out for Black History Month and so
Speaker 1: come out right now, yeah so and then also I
Speaker 1: also recall Marvel used to have a UK imprint, like
Speaker 1: at the height of their publishing, they were like British
Speaker 1: Marvel Comments, and that was a group. There was a
Speaker 1: duo called motor Mouth and kill Power, and kill Power
Speaker 1: has got like the brain of a child, but he's
Speaker 1: been like genetically augmented into like this enormous beast, but
Speaker 1: still a demand of a child. And he's helped up
Speaker 1: like kill Powers. Like she's like a fast talking, like
Speaker 1: she heat girl and she's got a sonic screen. And
Speaker 1: I thought that would be a good idea for a film.
Speaker 1: But I haven't got about getting the rights to that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are the rights, now get the rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't get back. I will do. What is
Speaker 1: the film you have pretended to like to impress people?
Speaker 1: Day back tweets don't seem a faker to me, But
Speaker 1: maybe you've been pretended to like something you didn't. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm not really a faker. I don't really
Speaker 1: pretend to like stuff, but there are There is a
Speaker 1: film called Minister Society. Yeah huge, huge brothers. Yeah, huge brothers.
Speaker 1: And I liked the film to an extent, but not
Speaker 1: as much as was made out. Like Minister Society is
Speaker 1: considered like a classic within African American cinema, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I just find it quite bleak and gratuitous.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's like a really famous scene where Laurentz
Speaker 1: Tap playing Old Dog shoots a crackhead, a guy as
Speaker 1: a crackhead over some cheeseburgers, and the way it's kind
Speaker 1: of recanted in about community, people say it's like it
Speaker 1: as a joke because essentially the guy basically offers to
Speaker 1: give him a sexual act in exchange for some crack
Speaker 1: and he's like what, so he shoots him, and everyone
Speaker 1: finds the idea quite funny that he responded to I
Speaker 1: suppose this homosexual advance with violence, and I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: it just seems very excessive to me. And then I
Speaker 1: found that the film making Old Dog pretty much the
Speaker 1: only survivor a really bad message because in the film
Speaker 1: Old Dog is I mean, it's already a film where
Speaker 1: there's clear antagonists and protagonists, but I suppose he's a
Speaker 1: friend of the protagonist and he's known for being very
Speaker 1: excessively violent, and at the end of the film he's
Speaker 1: one of the only survivors. And I feel like the
Speaker 1: message you're sending people is that like, if you are
Speaker 1: crazy and shoot before you ask questions, then you're more
Speaker 1: likely to survive urban youth violence and poverty, which I
Speaker 1: don't think it was the right message to send. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, maybe this is the reason why
Speaker 1: Tupac beat the Share of his brothers and that's why
Speaker 1: he never got to do the film in the end,
Speaker 1: because he was originally supposed to play Cane in menat
Speaker 1: of Society. Really, I think he beat the share the
Speaker 1: two other than set and then he ended up doing
Speaker 1: some time for it because there's a clip of Tupac
Speaker 1: talking about it on your own TV raps and yeah,
Speaker 1: and he almost basically stitched on himself to an extent,
Speaker 1: So yeah that that film probably it also started Jaya Pinkett,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, I think instead of
Speaker 1: the wrong message. And also the film colors because it's
Speaker 1: like I just think at the time, because there's such
Speaker 1: a lack of context the film Colors was supposed to
Speaker 1: show like the kind of side of gang banging culture
Speaker 1: in LA and how bad it was, and what it
Speaker 1: really did was helped to spread that gang culture globally,
Speaker 1: so the other Southern states and various other states in
Speaker 1: Middle America. When people are like, or how did bloods
Speaker 1: and Crypts come to your neighborhood, is like, well, because
Speaker 1: we all saw it in Colors, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't fully opposite of what was supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: So there was a point in the nineties where I
Speaker 1: think there was just like this explosion of like the
Speaker 1: biggest a big explosion of like black cinema following like
Speaker 1: you know, the black exploitation of the seventies. But I think,
Speaker 1: as we discussed in previous episodes of the podcast, that
Speaker 1: part of that convidence was that these films have to
Speaker 1: show one dimension of the black or the African American experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't always obviously wasn't everyone's experience. And I
Speaker 1: remember I saw something recently when Eddie Murphy talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that when he made a film called Boomerang like,
Speaker 1: which is about like, you know, successful black people running
Speaker 1: their own business. There was a lot of that was
Speaker 1: panned by critics as opposed to when you know, films
Speaker 1: like Boys in the Hood and Men Society, which I'm
Speaker 1: lauded for being so overtly violent and graphic, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's nothing new, so yea man's Society.
Speaker 1: I think people like it and people sent to life
Speaker 1: and focus on these things, which again I reckon, as
Speaker 1: I said, it's just a another wall that put people
Speaker 1: up to to feign the fame not having vulnerability. Fantastic answer.
Speaker 1: What is the film you've never seen that you think
Speaker 1: it's mad? You've never seen it, Donnie Darko, that is mad?
Speaker 1: What is the film you love that you don't expect
Speaker 1: anyone else to lie? It's still Beverly Hills Troop, which
Speaker 1: I just it's just a classic. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe it's because it's just one of the
Speaker 1: only films I had on VHS as a kid, But
Speaker 1: I just think it's a great film. It's very funny,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just think it's it's just a great film.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna be if I'm gonna be a father
Speaker 1: someday and I have some some young kids that's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the go too, just on a bank holiday,
Speaker 1: every day, every day watching every day's strung up with
Speaker 1: the kids. Yeah, it's raining out, we're watching Beverly Hills Trap. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Come on, kids, it's maybe the man I am today.
Speaker 1: Do you like daddy? Yeah? Well this is why put
Speaker 1: it on. What is the film you would show a
Speaker 1: lover as a test to see if you should be together?
Speaker 1: That see if we'd work two films, one being a
Speaker 1: house party because I think, yeah, if you understand, and
Speaker 1: the thema. Yeah, if you don't like Happy, you not
Speaker 1: like kidn' play, you're not gonna like me, and don't
Speaker 1: like if you don't like kidn't Play? And uh and
Speaker 1: I mean even house parts a film like even again,
Speaker 1: on reflection, the comedic talent that was in that film
Speaker 1: was insane because kiddn player in that film. Tisha Campbell
Speaker 1: was in that film. John Witherspoon was in that film,
Speaker 1: Robin Harris was in that film. Yeah, and again I
Speaker 1: think there was that Reggie Huddling I think directed that,
Speaker 1: the guy that does the Boondocks, so he's involved in
Speaker 1: it as well. So um, yeah, that film was just amazing.
Speaker 1: It just it shows a lot of times again that
Speaker 1: great early film that's still a cult classic, but just shows.
Speaker 1: And for me it's been really now that I work
Speaker 1: in creative fields that giving people the breadth to kind
Speaker 1: of realize their potential and innovate within scenes and stuff
Speaker 1: can only produce a perfect synergy. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think would be parasite. Well, basically I love Parasite and
Speaker 1: I showed it to a person I used to live
Speaker 1: with and they were like, I don't get it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's why we don't live together anymore,
Speaker 1: because you don't understand why this stuff is a problem.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I just think those films kind of
Speaker 1: show parts of me where it's kind of like, like
Speaker 1: to be fun and personable. Obviously my comedic side, which
Speaker 1: is expressed on one level through house Party, and then
Speaker 1: my more cerebral side, where I am are very much
Speaker 1: concerned about humanitarian issues and how that kind of plays
Speaker 1: out and the inevitable outcome of clos us and economic iniquity.
Speaker 1: But what you're also saying with Parasite is yeah, I
Speaker 1: care about all those things, but I'm still a thrill ride. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still still fun. I'm still fun. I'm still still do
Speaker 1: a dance here and there. Yeah, I'm still I'm still
Speaker 1: a party. I'm still for the party animal, but I
Speaker 1: care about people like you know, a party, but I
Speaker 1: still want to make sure that the cups are recyclable,
Speaker 1: still want to clean up afterwards. Everyone gets something safe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: make sure no one drugs anything, keep your drink safe.
Speaker 1: No one gets in a nuber with a lower than
Speaker 1: for writing exactly, I know. And also nobody is too
Speaker 1: good or not good enough to be at the party.
Speaker 1: Everybody's welcome. That's as party. Yeah, because if to have
Speaker 1: have a house of a floor and everyone's having a
Speaker 1: good time at the on the backs of people that
Speaker 1: are suffering, that's not a good thing. The outcome when
Speaker 1: those two worlds collide will be a bad thing, and
Speaker 1: I think that's not a good time. Anyone that's with
Speaker 1: me now should understand that. That's my main narrative is
Speaker 1: that like inequality is going to come to a head
Speaker 1: and human beings are going to be in the conflict
Speaker 1: for dwindling resources. So we can still have fun, but
Speaker 1: we should be conscious of those that are below us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the film that made you the most uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Dayme back tweets. I find it even sorry it's entirety,
Speaker 1: but I think it would be sex in the City too.
Speaker 1: The woman is going to be by yeah, depending on
Speaker 1: what people take away from Sex in the City, I think,
Speaker 1: and for me as well, because I love Kim Control.
Speaker 1: She's the best, She's such a great person. I just
Speaker 1: think that I when a lot of my peers were
Speaker 1: turned off by the idea of Sex in the City,
Speaker 1: I took the time to do the due diligence and
Speaker 1: actually watch it before making any judgments about it based
Speaker 1: on the title, which I think a lot of men did.
Speaker 1: And it's a very funny comedy show. But it's a
Speaker 1: great show. But the only thing I worried about, and
Speaker 1: you know this is not an issue that's gender based,
Speaker 1: is I feel like there was a lifestyle being sold
Speaker 1: to people without them being aware of the consequences, and
Speaker 1: I think, obviously them going to Dubai is the epitome
Speaker 1: of that, and I just worried that. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people that liked Sex in the City liked
Speaker 1: it because they liked the idea of these archetypes of
Speaker 1: women being you know, independent and successful and being achievers
Speaker 1: in their own right and for them to kind of
Speaker 1: try to take that and try to solve the issues
Speaker 1: or the social issues that they saw at a place
Speaker 1: like the like Dubai in the space of one film
Speaker 1: like this is kind of simplistic and also suggest that
Speaker 1: there are not problems at home that require the same
Speaker 1: level of address as they do in the Emirates. Like
Speaker 1: the Emirates know who they are, they don't hide it.
Speaker 1: The issue is about, you know, parts of the West
Speaker 1: where people pretend the stuff is okay. Like I don't
Speaker 1: even hear women talk about menolo blocks as much as
Speaker 1: they used to anymore, and that used to be the
Speaker 1: be all on end or when Sex and the City
Speaker 1: first came out, but I already mentioned as much, But
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people are and I think
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, the same way that
Speaker 1: like colors were supposed to warn against gangs and it
Speaker 1: helped them to flourish. I think that Sex and the
Speaker 1: City was supposed to encourage women to not just be
Speaker 1: dolls for the male gaze, and then if you kind
Speaker 1: of look at today, there's I think that seems to
Speaker 1: have gone in the opposite direction, where what's supposed to
Speaker 1: be empowering seems to really only empowering, be empowering consumerism
Speaker 1: rather than feminism. So that's what I was kind of
Speaker 1: worried about, really, is that you know, those ladies are
Speaker 1: grown women who have very good jobs and that's why
Speaker 1: they can live the way they do, and not everyone
Speaker 1: can do that, especially after a credit crunch, should be like,
Speaker 1: I don't try this at home kind of thing for
Speaker 1: sex and the city sexy, don't try this at time.
Speaker 1: Don't try If you could show a child one film,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Then back tweets it would be Moonwalker?
Speaker 1: Why as a warning? Why? Yeah? Actually also as a
Speaker 1: warning to let these children know if you become too
Speaker 1: successful and you break all records with your album, then
Speaker 1: stories of your impropriety of children will come out. So
Speaker 1: they should be warned about that, especially my children. But
Speaker 1: I think I just think Moonwalker is a where kids
Speaker 1: are concerned. It's masterpiece. I think, you know, when I
Speaker 1: look at Michael Jackson's esthetic, that's what you can achieve
Speaker 1: creatively if you don't feed into this idea that there's
Speaker 1: a certain way that adults should think and should interpret
Speaker 1: the world. And you know, at the time my Jess
Speaker 1: must have been in this like well, late thirties, early
Speaker 1: forties when the moon came out, and you know, he
Speaker 1: turns into a robot and a car and robot should
Speaker 1: layers and you can dance. I mean, it's true. It's
Speaker 1: just I think, even today, when you judge opposed the
Speaker 1: entertainment that is give towards children on social media today,
Speaker 1: I'd rather take it down a natural two and show
Speaker 1: The Moonwalker, which I think still holds up today. He
Speaker 1: does turn into a robot and thea you're right around
Speaker 1: rabbit biker. He was Transformers before the Transformers or around
Speaker 1: the same time exactly. Yeah, he was Transformers from Transformers
Speaker 1: and and it's I'm trying to remember who directed The Moonwalker.
Speaker 1: But yeah, also Joe Pesci's in Moonwalker. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Pesci's in it. It can't all be bad.
Speaker 1: It can't be all bad. But I think I think
Speaker 1: kish see, I think I think kids should understand how
Speaker 1: long ago it was, how ahead of his time was.
Speaker 1: And also because I feel like there's not going to
Speaker 1: be another Michael Jackson. I think entertainment it's so much
Speaker 1: more democratized in terms of people showing what they like
Speaker 1: and I think everyone's chasing that dragon. But there's never
Speaker 1: going to be another moment Jackson. So I think it's
Speaker 1: important case to see what celebrity looked like before it
Speaker 1: was distilled and made a too commodity that you could
Speaker 1: buy them on the internet. So yeah, Dave back tweets,
Speaker 1: you have been as wonderful and brilliant as ever. In fact,
Speaker 1: you've been so good that I've decided I'm going to
Speaker 1: let you live. Thank you. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: one day, you know, Let's not to say you'll be
Speaker 1: here forever. So just in case something were to happen,
Speaker 1: what DVD would you like to leave in your will
Speaker 1: for a loved one? Now? Before I was going to
Speaker 1: say The Avengers, but then I think if it's for
Speaker 1: a loved one, may need a different message. So it's
Speaker 1: a really tough one because I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to give somebody a complex if I'm no longer here
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be able to help them, I
Speaker 1: got it. It's going to have to be Malcolm X
Speaker 1: directed by Spike Lee. I'm going to say The Avengers,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna go from Malcolm ex rated
Speaker 1: by Spike Lee because I think anyone should have an
Speaker 1: interest in films. I think that it's a great film.
Speaker 1: I think Denzel Washington is a great person to set
Speaker 1: a bar for acting for whoever's watching it. I think
Speaker 1: while want to get across for people from people where
Speaker 1: Malcolm ex is concerned is that it's it was. It's
Speaker 1: a much bigger story than a pro black activist, Like
Speaker 1: this is a story about somebody who's come from abject poverty,
Speaker 1: someone who was fully steeped in vice and I think
Speaker 1: in cardinality, and I think that's a part of people missed,
Speaker 1: Like this is not about someone that's holding down postially
Speaker 1: and like Malcolm Ez was a coke dealer. He's sniffed coke,
Speaker 1: he did burglaries, he carried a gun, he used to
Speaker 1: do numbers like so you know, at any archetypal story
Speaker 1: about a criminal, like he embodied all of that as well.
Speaker 1: He was nomadic in his travels from you know, to
Speaker 1: be living in Detroit to being from Nebraska and living
Speaker 1: in Harlem. So many of the theme So you know,
Speaker 1: this is a story that goes from basically being pulp
Speaker 1: fiction to being like a redemption story to acting selflessly
Speaker 1: for the great good of people, even at the expense
Speaker 1: of your own mortality. And I think that's a great
Speaker 1: example to set about how you should live as a
Speaker 1: human being. And so I would definitely leave that. And also,
Speaker 1: I mean it's as it's not completely faithful to the
Speaker 1: actual book itself, but I also like my connection was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, our point would't even be
Speaker 1: where I was if it wasn't for my sister. And
Speaker 1: so there's so many elements in terms of what he
Speaker 1: discusses in terms of like self image, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that he talks about that is not applicable
Speaker 1: to today's world, particularly in this part of the world
Speaker 1: that we live in. So I would definitely say that's
Speaker 1: the film I'd want anybody who cared about me or
Speaker 1: anyone to watch that you can come from fucking nothing,
Speaker 1: and not only yourself, but you can lead people to
Speaker 1: a greater understanding. The comedian Dick Gregory, who pop us
Speaker 1: Away quite recently, what he's asked about Milcolm X. He
Speaker 1: says that this man cleaned up. He was he was
Speaker 1: six foot three and a half, and yet he was
Speaker 1: one of the most sotisspoken, most polite people you'd ever meet.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like I took it on board
Speaker 1: so much that like I make it a point of
Speaker 1: principle to almost be painfully polite and everyone I address professionally,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why you can't addressed everyone with a please,
Speaker 1: no thank you, and a yes sir, I don't know, madam,
Speaker 1: or even someone is non binary. There is no reason
Speaker 1: why you can't take the time to learn someone's pronouns
Speaker 1: and to respect their existence as a massive influence. And
Speaker 1: you can do all of that whilst taken on the
Speaker 1: whole fucking world. And for me, I've never heard a
Speaker 1: more inspirational story like I think reading and watching that
Speaker 1: film definitely helped in terms of my attitudes towards sexuality
Speaker 1: and towards vice, and really helped me to get a
Speaker 1: much broader understanding of people and never being resistant to
Speaker 1: listening to anyone's ideas. And for me, that just makes
Speaker 1: me a so much more peaceful person that being able
Speaker 1: to indulge the narratives of anyone that is not seeking
Speaker 1: to calm, cause harm or loss to any other sentient being.
Speaker 1: There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to respect
Speaker 1: and indulge their humanity or their way of thinking. And
Speaker 1: it's made me a bad artist, it's made me a
Speaker 1: happier person. And yeah, and that's what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like when people hear me vocalize and descent about regressive ideology,
Speaker 1: it's because I'm generally of the positions like there is
Speaker 1: no reason and there are none of us who are
Speaker 1: in a position where we've completely had mastery over the
Speaker 1: self that we should be worrying about what any other
Speaker 1: human being is doing. And I generally believe it's like,
Speaker 1: you know where, depending on how people politically identify, part
Speaker 1: of that tends to be that, like, you're a Christian,
Speaker 1: so you have to reject other theological belief or your
Speaker 1: assist gender heterosexual man, so you should reject any notions
Speaker 1: that about the fluidity of gender. And I'm like, why,
Speaker 1: what difference does it make to your life? Who gives
Speaker 1: a fuck? Like how does this make my life bad?
Speaker 1: Is this helping me towards reaching a state of a
Speaker 1: higher state of being? And it doesn't, And like I might,
Speaker 1: I might, you know, falter at this goal, but that's
Speaker 1: all I want as a human being. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: forget because something like that's nice, but what money I'm
Speaker 1: going to be successful? Babys shouldn't go for three seasons,
Speaker 1: which is nice, but at the same time it's like
Speaker 1: what I remember. As much as I like Baymous and
Speaker 1: I love to to be a serious the reason why
Speaker 1: Bamous exists is too is because like when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, Bret like, there were people like Missed the
Speaker 1: Motivator or like Shudow from Gladiators or you know, Rusty Lee,
Speaker 1: and wherever they realize it or not, Like like I said,
Speaker 1: this representation paved the way or was able to implant
Speaker 1: a seed in my mind, and I had not had
Speaker 1: the opportunity of having that dialogue with them, but obviously
Speaker 1: there is a lineage which allowed me to be in
Speaker 1: a space that I'm in and Baymous it was to
Speaker 1: show reverence for that, but Baymous was also to show that,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a part of British culture and
Speaker 1: by accepting this and encouraging this, we enrich our culture
Speaker 1: over all. And also because for me it was to
Speaker 1: at a time where we were so intensely discussing what
Speaker 1: it means to be black and understanding what the identity
Speaker 1: means in the UK, it was about presenting that in
Speaker 1: a way that's positive and also actually introducing people to
Speaker 1: the idea that this is not a new idea, This
Speaker 1: is not being thrust upon you. It's been a part
Speaker 1: of your reality for a very long time. And if
Speaker 1: you actually look and actually understand this, then what you
Speaker 1: think are these changes that are shaken the vibrations of
Speaker 1: British society or work in society aren't. Actually they're actually
Speaker 1: part of the structure that built it. And the sooner
Speaker 1: we accept that, the more likely we are going to
Speaker 1: be able to improve our way of life and the
Speaker 1: way we get on with each other. Because for those
Speaker 1: people that are encouraging our profiting from divisiveness, well you're not.
Speaker 1: What you've not worked out is how to replenish the
Speaker 1: dwindling resources we have in it. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just the so I think, yeah, I want people to
Speaker 1: look at that. I want people to look at how
Speaker 1: it's very easy for you to go the negative way
Speaker 1: that satisfies your more calmer desires, but there is a
Speaker 1: something greater if you give over to it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: same that tweet, You're you're one of the great. Thank you,
Speaker 1: as are you? Brett Always a plank. You for letting
Speaker 1: me hang out with your brain. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: And I always need to have towards to meditate for
Speaker 1: an hour, and I mean half the time I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's too much, it's too much for one session. Oh no,
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all, because you know it's
Speaker 1: I just think. I just think. I like to think.
Speaker 1: And this is the gratification that most of us want
Speaker 1: to get when we create art and or when we
Speaker 1: consume art, is that there's someone else that feels how
Speaker 1: we feel, or someone else kind of sees it the
Speaker 1: way we see it. And this internal monologue, which we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know is a function of matter or hormone
Speaker 1: and chemical releases. Like someone's presenting it in a way
Speaker 1: we're like, oh that's how I think, And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that life is about a dream in it. So I
Speaker 1: always say to people, when you're interpreting dreams, you don't
Speaker 1: tend to do that along the lines of being a
Speaker 1: man or a woman, or a black or white person
Speaker 1: until you wake up and then I'm forced to interpret
Speaker 1: along these lines. And so if we can capture everybody
Speaker 1: in that dream state, then it's going to be the
Speaker 1: best way for us all to communicate because we are
Speaker 1: beings of consciousness. So yeah, that's that's, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do anyway, just to make the world easy
Speaker 1: for us all to live in. I suppose what would you?
Speaker 1: Is there anything before we go you should tell people
Speaker 1: to look out for other than your tour show which
Speaker 1: tell the dates of that please? Oh yes, So first
Speaker 1: of all, thanks again for having me on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and thank you to everyone supporting the Patron. It was
Speaker 1: a pleasure of hanging out with you Gholstein. And please
Speaker 1: check out my YouTube series. It is called The Eighties
Speaker 1: of the Blackness, which I did with Little Dot Studios.
Speaker 1: That's available on my YouTube channel as well. My tour begins.
Speaker 1: The final dates of the tour of the fourteenth to
Speaker 1: the nineteenth of March and Soho Theater and Yeah Babies
Speaker 1: are still available on the BBC Player. So any anyone
Speaker 1: that's interested, please go onto my social media and click
Speaker 1: on my link tree and you can find all the
Speaker 1: links to there dame backsweets, what a guy. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming back to that. Love to you, Love to
Speaker 1: you too, and I will speak to you see. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, have a lovely time goodbye, my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks Brett cheers Man. So was episode one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty five. Head over to Patreon dot com forward slash
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Speaker 1: the film that means the most to you and why.
Speaker 1: That's a nice thing to read in it for everyone,
Speaker 1: So do that. Go on, Thanks very much. You don't
Speaker 1: have to live your life, do whatever you want. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much to Dame for doing the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Scrubius pipping the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Buddy Peace for producing it. Thank you to you all
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks to a Class for hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Adam Richardson for the graphics and leads to load
Speaker 1: them for the photography. Come and join me next week.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, good guess next week? Have I? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have actually come and join me. Find out who
Speaker 1: it is. And if you won't listen to this when
Speaker 1: it comes out, those who are coming, I'll see you
Speaker 1: at the weekend at the Big Live Show. Looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. I hope you've got some stories to tell,
Speaker 1: because I will be asking you. Oh yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: asking you. Bet me ready. So that is it for now.
Speaker 1: I really hope you're all well. Meanwhile, have a lovely
Speaker 1: week and please, now more than ever, be excellent to
Speaker 1: each other. That bat