WEBVTT - Dr. Joseph Warren: American Revolutionist and Secret Spunker

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radiom. No one truly knows the

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<v Speaker 1>identities of those who participated in the Boston Tea Party

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy three, but one man's name always ends up

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<v Speaker 1>on the usual suspects list, and that is Dr Joseph Warren, physician,

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<v Speaker 1>resurrection man, revolutionist. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Trumarquis and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry. In July of a construction crew working

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<v Speaker 1>inside the Holden Chapel in Harvard Yard found human remains

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<v Speaker 1>in the walls of the building's basement. That may sound

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious and like the start of a big murder mystery,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had not been hidden there by a serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer or any sort of murderer. They had been put

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<v Speaker 1>there by the faculty, staff and students of the school

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose. Those were the bones of the many people

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<v Speaker 1>whose corpses had been snatched from local cemeteries during the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to be used as cadavers by

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<v Speaker 1>those who were learning anatomy at Harvard. Just like any

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<v Speaker 1>other medical school in the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>Harvard had a shortage of cadavers. If you've been listening

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<v Speaker 1>this season, that should sound pretty familiar to you at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Laws at this time in Massachusetts, where Harvard

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<v Speaker 1>is located, we're a little bit less restrictive when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to dissection than in other places, but not really

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<v Speaker 1>by a whole lot. Legally, a medical school was allowed

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<v Speaker 1>one cadaver her human body dissection once every four years.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a seventeen eight issue of the Boston Gazette,

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<v Speaker 1>a single body was made to do duty for a

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<v Speaker 1>whole course of lectures. That may have been the law

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<v Speaker 1>on the books, but in reality not all schools received

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<v Speaker 1>equals share. The more prestigious the institution, sometimes the more

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<v Speaker 1>cadavers they received, sometimes, though no not Harvard legally received

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<v Speaker 1>one caldaver annually, but though they had more than other schools,

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<v Speaker 1>it still was not enough. Medical education in the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century was a lot different than today and varied a

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<v Speaker 1>lot among schools. It consisted of a few central things,

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<v Speaker 1>though formal lectures for one or two semesters, followed by

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<v Speaker 1>an apprenticeship with an established physician. There was really no

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<v Speaker 1>academic preparation to attend lectures such as those an anatomy

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, one would purchase a ticket for entry. As

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of clinical material limited instructional experiences, class sizes,

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<v Speaker 1>and opportunities for up close to section, the quality and

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<v Speaker 1>quantity of doctors in Boston and in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole really started to wane. Without the proper

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<v Speaker 1>course materials and yes that did include fresh corpses, Harvard

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<v Speaker 1>decided to change how it educated new doctors. It adopted

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<v Speaker 1>a more hands on study of anatomy known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris method, and according to that, each student learned by

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<v Speaker 1>dissecting their own assigned cadaver. You can see where the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is going to come up. Because while that would

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<v Speaker 1>provide a more intense hands on training experience than just

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<v Speaker 1>watching your anatomy lecturer dissect a single cadaver at the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the class, it now also put the school

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<v Speaker 1>in the position of needing to obtain all of the

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<v Speaker 1>fresh corpses it would need to continue that type of curriculum.

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<v Speaker 1>So Harvard, like many other schools, began to skirt the law.

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<v Speaker 1>They hired body snatchers. Just around sev seventy, around the

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<v Speaker 1>time the college was gifted funds to begin a professorship

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<v Speaker 1>in anatomy. A group of Harvard's own took matters into

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<v Speaker 1>their own hands when it came to the school's cadaver supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Joseph Warren, along with some very well known name

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<v Speaker 1>founded an ilicit secret society known as the Anatomical Club,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was better known as the Spunker Club, which

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<v Speaker 1>appropriately featured a shovel as its representative symbol. The Spunker

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<v Speaker 1>Club was, at least when it came to secrecy, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like fight club. The first rule of being a

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<v Speaker 1>Spunker was you didn't talk about being a Spunker. The

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<v Speaker 1>second rule of being as Funker was you didn't write

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<v Speaker 1>or speak the name of the club. So you get

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here. The purpose of the Spunker Club was

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in anatomic dissection, and to do so using

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<v Speaker 1>cadavers that they themselves had procured. John Warren, who was

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph's brother, was also a member, and he is a

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<v Speaker 1>notable member because he was also the founder of Harvard

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<v Speaker 1>Medical School. Some of the club's other notable members included

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<v Speaker 1>the sons of both Samuel Adams and Paul Revere, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as William Eustace, the future Secretary of War under

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<v Speaker 1>President James is Madison. Stealing a body from a fresh

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<v Speaker 1>grave required at least three participants. You needed to to

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<v Speaker 1>exhume the corpse and one to get ready to go

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<v Speaker 1>with the getaway wagon. The club really took pride in

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<v Speaker 1>their work. In a letter written in seventeen and published

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<v Speaker 1>in the Journal of Social Archaeology, John Warren, remember Joseph's brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and a club member who was not supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>writing about this, I need to point out, described body

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<v Speaker 1>snatching by others as quote done with so little decency

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<v Speaker 1>and caution that it quote needed scarcely be said. It

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<v Speaker 1>could not have been the work of any of our

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<v Speaker 1>friends of the Spunker Club when he wasn't leading doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and students through the graveyard. As a physician and a

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<v Speaker 1>popular one, Dr Warren treated everyone young old Wig Tory,

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<v Speaker 1>it really didn't matter. His reputation in the city was impeccable,

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<v Speaker 1>and he treated prominent people in Boston, including John Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Adams, and John Hancock. It's said he once saved

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<v Speaker 1>seven year old future President John Quincy Adams's finger from amputation.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also known to have treated the American born wife

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<v Speaker 1>of British General Thomas Gage, and this year is with

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<v Speaker 1>a mark of possible historical scandal. That's right, because some

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<v Speaker 1>historians believe it was Margaret Gage who shared intelligence with

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<v Speaker 1>Warren about the British Army's strategies and tactics, in particular

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<v Speaker 1>British plans to raid Conquered Joseph never revealed his informants identity.

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<v Speaker 1>But why you might be wondering, and most appropriately, would

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<v Speaker 1>your family physician have an informant? That's because Bostonian physician

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<v Speaker 1>and patriot Joseph Warren played a central role in the

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<v Speaker 1>events leading up to the American Revolution. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>being a remarkable physician and resurrection man, Joseph was a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable revolutionist military officer. Paula Here's ride from Boston towards

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<v Speaker 1>Conquered to Warren revolutionaries there that the British were planning

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<v Speaker 1>to raid ammunition stores and arrest prominent patriots John Hancock

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<v Speaker 1>and Samuel Adams is a famous story in American history.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you know it was Dr Joseph Warren who

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<v Speaker 1>dispatched him on that famous ride. Indeed, it was We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a quick break here for a word from

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsor, and when we're back, we're gonna speculate what

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Warren and his allies talked about at the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon Tavern. Welcome back to Criminaliat. Let's talk about why

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Warren has been called the quote de facto leader

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<v Speaker 1>of the American Revolution. So let's talk for a minute

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<v Speaker 1>about Joseph Warren's young life. He was born in the

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<v Speaker 1>town of Roxbury, Massachusetts, in June of seventeen forty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the eldest of Joseph and Mary Stevens

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<v Speaker 1>Warren's four sons. He was raised in a three story

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<v Speaker 1>brick house surrounded by acres of pastures and orchards. It

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<v Speaker 1>really sounds pretty idyllic. His father was a successful farmer,

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<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately died after accidentally falling out of an apple

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<v Speaker 1>tree while tending to those orchards. When he was ten

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Joseph attended Roxbury Latin School, one of America's

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<v Speaker 1>oldest public schools as well as one of its most

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<v Speaker 1>prestigious prep schools, known for preparing students seeking admission to Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>At age fourteen, Joseph was admitted to Harvard as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the youngest of a freshman class of forty five students.

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<v Speaker 1>He graduated in seventeen fifty nine at the age of eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and went on, of course, to become a physician and

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<v Speaker 1>for his personal life. He married Elizabeth Houghton in September

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<v Speaker 1>of seventeen sixty four. She was a woman of considerable fortune,

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<v Speaker 1>so he married very well, and the couple had four children.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph was a Freemason. In fact, he was the grand

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<v Speaker 1>master of his group. Together, the men were known to

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<v Speaker 1>meet at the Green Dragon Tavern to talk about the Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph's revolutionary writings caught the eye of Samuel Adams, a

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<v Speaker 1>statesman and political philosopher who became one of the founding

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<v Speaker 1>fathers of the United States. It was through Samuel Adams

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<v Speaker 1>that Warren met Paul Revere, John Hancock, John Adams, and

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<v Speaker 1>other politically active and motivated people. Many of these names

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<v Speaker 1>appear on some very important documents in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. In February of seventeen seventy, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph who performed the autopsy of an eleven year old

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<v Speaker 1>boy named Christopher Cider. Christopher was at the time allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>killed by a loyalist during a protest in the North

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<v Speaker 1>End of Boston. Warren was the doctor who confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>Cider's death at the hands of British customs officer Ebenezer Richardson,

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<v Speaker 1>was the first in the American Revolution. Christopher had been

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<v Speaker 1>fatally shot when Richardson, attempting to disperse the turbulent crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>had fired a load of what's called swan shot, basically

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pea size lead balls out of a window.

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<v Speaker 1>That was actually his second shot, his first he wasn't loaded.

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<v Speaker 1>Cider was struck in the chest by one of these

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of swan shot and also had a secondary hit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's frequently described as hitting him above the eye, although

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you'll read that it hit him in the arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Cider died on February seventeen seventy. That same gunfire

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<v Speaker 1>also injured a local teenager, Samuel Gore, although he survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Cider became a symbol of the Liberty movement. Richardson was

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<v Speaker 1>tried and convicted for killing the boy, although then he

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<v Speaker 1>was pardoned by King George the Third before fleeing North

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<v Speaker 1>America for England. And Joseph Or was closely associated with

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<v Speaker 1>this entire story because of his role in examining Citer's

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<v Speaker 1>body Joseph was also talented in rhetoric and was asked

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<v Speaker 1>to give a speech commemorating the Boston Massacre, an event

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<v Speaker 1>when British soldiers shot and killed five Bostonians. Other names

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<v Speaker 1>had been considered to speak, concluding John Hancock, Samuel Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>and Benjamin Church, but it was Warren who was chosen

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<v Speaker 1>for his oratorical talent. He delivered the speech. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he delivered it twice. The first time was in March

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<v Speaker 1>of seventeen seventy two, during the marking of the anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of the massacre, and the second time was in seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, during a time when the revolution in the

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<v Speaker 1>air was palpable. He wore a costume during that second speech,

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<v Speaker 1>a Ciceronian toga, the garment of a free born Roman

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<v Speaker 1>male citizen. Of his forty five minute address, the Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Gazette reported that Warren's words were quote celebrated with unanimous applause.

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<v Speaker 1>The British, it was reported, were in attendance and they

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<v Speaker 1>were not amused. In response to the set of punative

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<v Speaker 1>laws called the Coercive Acts passed by British Parliament in

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen seventy four after the Boston Tea Party. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Warren who wrote the Suffolk Resolves. The Suffolk Resolves

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<v Speaker 1>document basically said that the colonists weren't going to tolerate

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<v Speaker 1>British rules. The text also encouraged the people of the

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<v Speaker 1>British colonies to stop paying their taxes and to start

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<v Speaker 1>training for armed conflict. The Continental Congress endorsed his declaration,

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<v Speaker 1>which resulted in a boycott of imported goods from Britain

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<v Speaker 1>until the intolerable Acts, as they were called by the

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<v Speaker 1>colonists were repealed. We mentioned earlier that Warren was involved

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<v Speaker 1>with the Freemasons, but he was also part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Sons of Liberty, the North End Caucus, the Boston Committee

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<v Speaker 1>of Correspondence, the Massachusetts Committee of Safety, and the Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>Provincial Congress. That, it turns out, made him involved in

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<v Speaker 1>so many organizations that that is how he got that

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<v Speaker 1>nickname the de facto leader of the American Revolution. He

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<v Speaker 1>touched every branch of every group that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>forming as this revolution was fomenting. This man had more

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<v Speaker 1>time in his day than I do for busy be

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<v Speaker 1>He is a busy busy bee. He also was a

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<v Speaker 1>hero of the Battle of Bunker Hill, where he was

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<v Speaker 1>killed in action alongside the infantry, just six days after

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<v Speaker 1>his thirty fourth birthday and three days after he was

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<v Speaker 1>chosen as major general. According to British General Thomas Gage,

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<v Speaker 1>Warren's death was quote worth the death of five hundred men.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to take another break for a word

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what Harvard did without the Spunker Club, and

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to that is a few different things. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to Criminalia. Let's talk about what became of the

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<v Speaker 1>Spunker Club. Samuel Foreman, a visiting scientist in the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Environmental Health at Harvard School of Public Health and

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<v Speaker 1>president of Oak and Ivy Health Systems, has called Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Warren quote a seminal figure, not only for his participation

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<v Speaker 1>in proto public health activities, but more generally in the

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<v Speaker 1>founding of medically related institutions of all types at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>Foreman believes that had Warren lived beyond his early thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>he would likely have gone on to do more great

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<v Speaker 1>things in his role as a physician and his role

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<v Speaker 1>as a politician. Foreman wrote, quote, he was a proponent

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<v Speaker 1>of disciplined medical education and pushed for the most up

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<v Speaker 1>to date knowledge and techniques in medicine, both in individual

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<v Speaker 1>cases and in public health. A few years after Joseph's death,

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<v Speaker 1>the founding of the Medical School in seventeen eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>made Harvard a university. Previously, it had been known as

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<v Speaker 1>Harvard College. In seventeen eighty three, when Harvard Medical School

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<v Speaker 1>officially opened its doors, it opened as the Medical Institution

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<v Speaker 1>of Harvard University, and its first home was yes the

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<v Speaker 1>Holden Chapel in Harvard Yard. In eighteen fifteen, Massachusetts seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have collectively felt like enough was enough when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to stealing corpses. The state government passed the Act

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<v Speaker 1>to Protect the Sepulchers of the Dead, which made it

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<v Speaker 1>a felony to disturb a grave or steal a corpse.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can imagine, this received a lot of pushback

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<v Speaker 1>from the Massachusetts Medical Society. Air were they going to

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<v Speaker 1>get fresh corpses now? For a brief period during the

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<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary War, corpses had been, unfortunately pretty abundant. It's believed

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<v Speaker 1>the members of the Spunker Club likely collected corpses from

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. That was a practice that George Washington referred

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<v Speaker 1>to and we're quoting him from the Journal of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Revolution, as an abominable crime. But in the years

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<v Speaker 1>after the war ended, that supply had dwindled back to

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<v Speaker 1>pre conflict status, making it harder than ever to keep

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<v Speaker 1>up with demand. In a rapidly growing country a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who wanted to be doctors, So in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one, Massachusetts passed another law, the Anatomy Act, which

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<v Speaker 1>allowed medical professionals to legally obtain the bodies of those

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<v Speaker 1>who had been imprisoned, those who had been determined to

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<v Speaker 1>be mentally ill, and those who had died in poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>Around this time, to Harvard Medical School began moving to

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<v Speaker 1>a new supply chain. They began bribing New York City

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<v Speaker 1>officials to ship corpses from New York to Boston. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>according to an article in the Boston Gazette, where body

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<v Speaker 1>snatchers were quote emptying at least six hundred or seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred graves annually. By eighteen forty two, Harvard Medical School

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<v Speaker 1>employed from Littlefield as a janitor, but his actual job

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<v Speaker 1>was to supply the school with fresh corpses, and they

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<v Speaker 1>paid him twenty five dollars per body. Now it's unclear

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<v Speaker 1>if Efrem himself was snatching the bodies or if maybe

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<v Speaker 1>instead he was a go between who was just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of managing the whole thing. He was, though, also tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with the disposal of the remains left over after dissections

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<v Speaker 1>from dumped them in the basement of Holden Chapel. That

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<v Speaker 1>makes those the bodies that construction workers discovered in n

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<v Speaker 1>It's been determined that the remains belonged to at least

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<v Speaker 1>eleven males and females, but most of the remaining bones

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty bad condition and they make identification impossible or

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<v Speaker 1>at least very unlikely. According to aarticle in student run

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<v Speaker 1>Harvard Daily newspaper The Crimson, Carol A. S. Mandrick, the

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<v Speaker 1>director of the Ocean Lifelong Learning Institute at University of

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii at MANOAH and former anthropology professor at Harvard, noted

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<v Speaker 1>that quote, some of the bones have metal pieces sticking

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<v Speaker 1>out of them, as if someone was trying to construct

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<v Speaker 1>a skeleton. Amid these changes in the mid eight hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>the body snatching spunker club wasn't really needed anymore, although

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<v Speaker 1>no one is exactly certain when they closed down, with

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<v Speaker 1>their being a secret club and all. Surely somebody blabbed

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<v Speaker 1>it in a letter, right, John Warren? Where are surely

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<v Speaker 1>you could be better than this. We didn't really talk

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<v Speaker 1>about embalming or anything in this episode, but would you

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<v Speaker 1>like some embalming fluid, Marina? I would love some, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>to go along with my revolutionist reading materials. There you

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<v Speaker 1>go over. In thinking about a cocktail for this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to think of something at least vaguely related

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<v Speaker 1>to time and place, and so I immediately thought about

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<v Speaker 1>one of the popular drinks during this time, which would

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<v Speaker 1>have been cider. But then I also got to thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how a lot of the founding fathers were also distillers,

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<v Speaker 1>to varying degrees of success, and George Washington in particular

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<v Speaker 1>made a lot of whiskey and brandy. You can actually

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<v Speaker 1>still buy whiskey and brandy from the restored distilleries that

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<v Speaker 1>he had. It's pricey. I do not have any on

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<v Speaker 1>hand and did not use it in this recipe, although

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<v Speaker 1>there is whiskey coming up, and I also just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to think of other yummy things to combine with such items.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a little drink that is a very

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<v Speaker 1>delicious and I'm calling it secret society. But it's very

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<v Speaker 1>easy to throw together, very easy drinking, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the mocktail version is really quite lovely as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>for this, you are going to throw into your cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>shaker a half ounce of lemon juice, a half ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of simple syrup, and ten fat blueberries, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna muddle those together. And then once you've done that,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it's like what we've talked about before, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a pulverizer. You just kind of want to

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<v Speaker 1>break those berries up. Usually if they're fat and right,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll break up pretty easily anyway. And then you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to add an ounce of whiskey of your choice. Rye

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<v Speaker 1>is great for some folks, not everybody loves Rye. So

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<v Speaker 1>really whichever whiskey you desire, and some ice, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shake that all together. Just give it a good shake,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure it's an all nice and cold, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll pour it. You won't strain it. You'll pour it

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<v Speaker 1>with the ice into a rocks glass and then you

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<v Speaker 1>just top it with four ounces of hard cider. This

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<v Speaker 1>is so stink and delicious. I don't even know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't normally consider myself a big hard cider drinker,

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<v Speaker 1>but this might change that game. A little whiskey and

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<v Speaker 1>blueberries made everything new, and it doesn't really lends it

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know a different flavor, it's not. The

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<v Speaker 1>blueberry is interesting. There are a lot of um whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>and cider cocktails out in the world. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people like to play with those two together, especially in autumn.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to do something that was a little

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<v Speaker 1>summary and I again, I always like putting fresh fruit

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<v Speaker 1>in a drink. It feels somehow a little fancier. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also know I've been doing a lot of strawberry actions,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was time to trot out. And also blueberries,

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<v Speaker 1>so yum. This one's very easy to make. Is a mocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll start out the same way with the blueberries, the

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<v Speaker 1>lemon juice and the simple syrup, and then you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put whiskey in there, but you can shake it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can use a sparkling nonalcoholic cider here, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>great if you want to give it a little kick

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<v Speaker 1>of something that's different. Since you're skipping the whiskey, this

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<v Speaker 1>becomes that choose your own adventure a little bit. We

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<v Speaker 1>often throw in like a very strong, heavily steeped tea

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<v Speaker 1>in lieu of a whiskey, which you can do and

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<v Speaker 1>it almost makes it like an apple iced tea situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would also suggest if you want more of

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<v Speaker 1>that like alcohol, bite to it without the alcohol. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a great time to trot out your habanero or

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<v Speaker 1>your hallopeen, you know, syrup if you have it, and

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<v Speaker 1>just throw a little in there and make it have

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<v Speaker 1>that little bit of chi chow that feels a little

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<v Speaker 1>bity on your tongue yet is just a delicious syrup

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<v Speaker 1>and no alcohol in it. Yeah, and then pour several

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<v Speaker 1>more for yourself. We're friends. I do like ciders, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually I'm happy to see that one has popped up.

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<v Speaker 1>Done dune, dun listen. I'm trying to get around to

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<v Speaker 1>everything eventually. If we did only what I naturally gravitate

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<v Speaker 1>to would be all vodka and chartreuse all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be amazing but boring diet, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>cordial of chartreuse some cogniac every evening and not predictable

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<v Speaker 1>at all, not at all. I mean, did I want

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<v Speaker 1>to put a cogniac or a brandy in it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>did I know? Because I always try to stretch a little.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually was wondering if you were going to go

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<v Speaker 1>in a direction of an apple brandy, because that's a

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<v Speaker 1>very New England kind of a business. I thought about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm actually I'm so like happy to see this

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<v Speaker 1>direction that you have gone into, because there's how many

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<v Speaker 1>apple jacks do we need in the world. Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very yummy, but it's fun to play with stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>make new fun things. Blueberries are They do a magical

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<v Speaker 1>thing here because it doesn't you don't really taste blueberry,

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<v Speaker 1>but you taste like a fruity essence to it that

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<v Speaker 1>is discernibly different from just apple, which is nice. The

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<v Speaker 1>skins tended to settle on the bottom, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>interior is like pulpy and lurks in like the middle

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<v Speaker 1>range with your ice more than anything. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>rest is about the golden tone you would expect. But

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<v Speaker 1>you do get that nice, nice berry something. If I

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<v Speaker 1>think if somebody didn't know blueberries were in it, they

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, what, there's something in here I can't

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<v Speaker 1>pick out. It is a fruit and possibly a berry,

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<v Speaker 1>but they it's hard to figure out, like where the

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<v Speaker 1>blueberry flavor is actually moving amongst your apple sip. So

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<v Speaker 1>try it, but you can if you don't love blueberries,

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<v Speaker 1>you could put in other things. You could try it with,

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<v Speaker 1>of course strawberries which we mentioned, a raspberry. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this would be very interesting and I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>disaster to try it with a mashed kiwi in it. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. Yeah. I love playing with fruit in a

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<v Speaker 1>basic drink. It changes it considerably without becoming overwhelming usually

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<v Speaker 1>unless you use some really pungent fruit, which I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>you could. You could put a mango in this get

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different drink out of it, So it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a very different drink. I'm sure it'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>very good drink, but it would be it would suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>feel much more tropical and lass New England in like

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<v Speaker 1>a second definitely not Roxbury like, not even a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you will give this a whirl and hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>will enjoy it as much as I do. And we

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<v Speaker 1>also want to make sure we thank you for spending

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<v Speaker 1>this time with us, and we hope we will see

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