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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. I'm Wilmer Valderrama.

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Speaker 2: I'm Freddie Rodriguez and this is the docent MINGOS podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a very special episode today. I don't

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Speaker 3: even know where to begin. Our guest is someone that

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Speaker 3: I've known for a long time. We've trusted each other

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Speaker 3: with our lives. Shared of milkshake, Yeah we have, we

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Speaker 3: have her milshik definitely got this boy to the yard.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, any of you there.

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Speaker 3: Guys are watching or listening to that AMOS podcast, Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much. This is a very special episode, a

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Speaker 3: very exciting one for us because he's getting it, He's

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Speaker 3: getting a little personal, a little deeper dive. We normally

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Speaker 3: never do this where you know, neither you or I

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Speaker 3: never really do this, but foreign territory if you want

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Speaker 3: to introduce who I guess this.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is a model, a dive master, a mother

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Speaker 2: of two, and the partner to me and Mono.

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Speaker 4: Me Amigo, amandap a trick.

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Speaker 3: Yay yay yay yy yn Uh honey, Hi, welcome to

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Speaker 3: the podcast.

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Speaker 1: How does it feel?

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Speaker 5: I mean I could literally count on like two fingers

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Speaker 5: how many times I've talked into a microphone.

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Speaker 6: So uh.

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Speaker 7: Supernatural.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, we were gonna make it super easy

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Speaker 3: because obviously this is this is the this, this is

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Speaker 3: supposed to be interrogation, and we never have you know,

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Speaker 3: it's agos, but today you're the third Ama.

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Speaker 1: You're so so very excited.

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Speaker 3: So we you know, Leo, our producer, Leo clam I

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Speaker 3: had this idea that you know, we've gone the whole

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Speaker 3: season talking to some amazing friends of ours who you know,

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Speaker 3: have played different roles in our lives, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it all came full circle too, you know, the two

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Speaker 3: people in our lives that are made made a major,

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Speaker 3: a major contribution, if not in life, life enhancing an

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Speaker 3: altern moment as we revolutionize ourselves as actually not just

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Speaker 3: grown ups but real men.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So so we thought that having an episode

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Speaker 3: where we just paid tribute to the women that makes

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Speaker 3: us a hole in the women that makes us better,

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Speaker 3: I thought, you know, would be a really cool idea.

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Speaker 3: We have a little bit of a game for those

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Speaker 3: of you who are expecting what this episode is going

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Speaker 3: to be, and we're not going to play against each

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Speaker 3: other a little bit and and Freddie's going to run

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Speaker 3: that game. But before that, it would be my pleasure

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Speaker 3: for you all to meet who Amanda Projecto is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, Amanda. Where are you originally from?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 5: I was born in San Diego, and I grew up

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Speaker 5: in a small town near Sacramento called Rockland, California.

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Speaker 1: Rockland.

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Speaker 5: I lived there for most of my life until I

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Speaker 5: moved around as I got older and have lived all over. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: mostly in northern California, southern California, but I jumped around,

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Speaker 5: lived in Hawaii for a little bit, lived in the

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Speaker 2: Why did you move Why did you live there when

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Speaker 2: you were a child? Why were you moving so much?

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Speaker 5: Well, this was not when I was a child, so

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Speaker 1: And why there?

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Speaker 4: Why did you choose to go to the Philippines and Hawaii?

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Speaker 5: So Hawaii, I mean for obvious reasons. I mean, he

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Speaker 5: time when I went to the Philippines. I went there

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Speaker 5: for a scuba diving trip actually, and I went there

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Speaker 5: for I went there for one week for on a

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Speaker 5: liver board, So I basically like went on a dive trip.

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Speaker 7: You go on a dive boat for a week.

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Speaker 5: You live on the boat and you just hop around

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Speaker 5: So I ended up saying goodbye to everybody that was

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Speaker 1: And by yourself.

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Speaker 5: By myself, and I ended up staying there for six months. Wow,

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Speaker 5: just traveling solo. Completely different culture in the Philippines. Like

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Speaker 5: I honestly never wanted to come home, but yeah, eventually

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Speaker 5: I ended up coming home, But it was it was

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Speaker 5: was there, I went to Bali. Where else did I go?

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Speaker 5: I mean a ton of different islands. The Philippines has

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Speaker 5: over like seven thousand islands, so I hopped around all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask, what was the thing

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Speaker 3: to summerse yourself more in it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just the hospitality of just the people there.

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Speaker 5: It was just like, I don't know, I felt so

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Speaker 5: terrifying for my dad. When I told him that I

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Speaker 5: this was two thousand and seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm only asking because you said your dad

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Speaker 4: Says I want to stay in the Philippines for six months.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it doesn't matter like what age your kid is, like,

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Speaker 5: but but yeah, I just I don't know, it felt

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Speaker 5: it felt like another home to me, and I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to take you back there sometimes.

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Speaker 3: So then when you started exploring the Philippines and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: Mostly like my family and my friends were like can

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Also your relationship with your dad, because you and

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Speaker 7: I'm so close with my family.

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Speaker 5: And that's the reason why, like I had lived so close,

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Speaker 5: So probably that, Yeah, But you know, you go on vacation,

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Speaker 5: and then you realize like, well, I'm already here, Like

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Speaker 7: Actually going to go back to that place.

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Speaker 5: And for me, that's why I sometimes don't go home

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Speaker 4: And did you have the same experience in WHI same thing.

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Speaker 5: I went there for my twenty second birthday, my twenty

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Speaker 7: But I did go back like immediately after. And then

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Speaker 7: I ended up staying there for about a year.

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Speaker 1: A year. Yeah, did you stay with the family.

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Speaker 7: No, No, not on that trip.

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Speaker 5: I stayed there for let's see, I say there for

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Speaker 5: a year. Actually it was like under a year. I

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Speaker 3: Every single friend that we have that has either moved

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Speaker 3: You know our brother Jay her Natty, you know, he

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Speaker 3: He would go like surfing and occasionally and stuff, but

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Speaker 3: did you dive there?

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Speaker 1: Too?

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Speaker 5: At that time, I wasn't diving, so no, I was

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Speaker 5: doing a lot of snorkeling, and a lot of friends

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Speaker 5: that I had made there were like, don't get in

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Speaker 2: But what made those waters different or more dangerous than what?

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Speaker 2: Because you were obviously accustomed to a certain type of

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Speaker 4: What was different that made theirs dangerous?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think just like bigger waves and you know,

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Speaker 1: Unpredictable of waters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I mean it's also like it's very deep waters,

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Speaker 3: so you're talking about some of the biggest animals.

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Speaker 1: In the water.

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Speaker 5: Or to a was added, I'm honestly way more terrified

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Speaker 5: of sharks here than anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: So I guess you don't look like food anywhere else

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then so then you came back to the United States, right,

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Speaker 3: And then where did you go to school?

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Speaker 1: At that point? You had gone to school before that.

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Speaker 7: Let me think, So then I came back and what

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Speaker 1: What did I do?

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Speaker 5: I went to community college for like ever and then

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Speaker 5: I moved to San Diego. I was going to go

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so my mom was diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, we do, we do. My mom is suffering

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is just talking about it,

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Speaker 5: And like there's the one test that's like kind of

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Speaker 3: But I was very taken by your passionate about prevention

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Speaker 5: And yeah, it's tough because they have these these age

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Speaker 7: And I was like, no, I do need to worry

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Speaker 3: Like it's literally the most preventable uh. And why it

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Speaker 3: So so so that's when so when that happens. It's

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Speaker 1: It targets every single one of us.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that you're able to talk about it

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Speaker 3: Like tomorrow, I'm going to make that call. Like I

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Speaker 3: like okay, cool, let me just do it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But even her point of view about ovarian cancer, because

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Speaker 7: Fifty is like starting point.

444
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Speaker 5: But even then, like if you if you don't have

445
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Speaker 5: like any like signs or whatever, then they're like, oh,

446
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Speaker 5: you know, you should be fine unless there's something that

447
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 5: you feel is not fine.

448
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Speaker 7: You know.

449
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Speaker 2: But but then but by that time, you said, then

450
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Speaker 2: it's too late.

451
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Speaker 3: If you do have a you could have had something

452
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: at thirty fifteen years later.

453
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that was like my mom's biggest work, like,

454
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 5: like she always wanted to know is this something that

455
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: I had for a really long time and I didn't

456
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 5: know about it and I could have known about it?

457
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 5: Or is it something that like I just woke up

458
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 5: with and it's like, yeah, so we'll never know.

459
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Speaker 1: How was her mother?

460
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Speaker 7: She was forty five four?

461
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Speaker 4: And did she find out a forty five she found out?

462
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they gave her six months to a

463
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Speaker 5: year in one year, like almost to the day of

464
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 5: her diagnosis.

465
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Speaker 4: Did your mom have a history of it before she

466
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Speaker 4: got it?

467
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Speaker 7: Not that we know of, Okay, Yeah.

468
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Speaker 4: So that's tough, right for like women like your mom.

469
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Speaker 7: Who is just like a fluke.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like you know, so should that

471
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Speaker 2: be something would you suggest for all women?

472
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Speaker 4: Like at twenty five.

473
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Speaker 7: I think that you should be like it should be

474
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Speaker 7: getting checked out.

475
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Speaker 3: Right, right, you know, it's it's it's a it's an

476
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: ever evergreen conversation, right, I mean, I think it's like

477
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: the best solution is to just get on it. I mean,

478
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: like and then and and we obviously now as a

479
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: guarantee a solution, you know, but if you don't talk

480
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Speaker 3: about maybe your mom didn't have any history of over

481
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: in cancer before her, and now you do. Right, So

482
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: now she has it, and now Amanda now has you know, history,

483
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Speaker 3: a very near history of her mother having it. Which

484
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: it's a great indicator to say, like just stay ahead

485
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Speaker 3: of it, you know. But but I again like this

486
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Speaker 3: is also a great call and a great you know,

487
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 3: serendipitous you know, moment of this conversation to basically tell

488
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Speaker 3: everyone who's listening or watching that you got to advocate

489
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Speaker 3: for younger prevention. You know, you got to advocate to get

490
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Speaker 3: ahead of it in early to tension, right. And uh,

491
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Speaker 3: and I think the the idea is also to to

492
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Speaker 3: pass the urgency of health to our children. So then

493
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Speaker 3: they change it up for our culture, right, because it

494
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: has to spread and evolve into our cultures. You know,

495
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Speaker 3: truth that prevention is something that culturally we should also

496
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Speaker 3: be part of our truth as Latinos and and any

497
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Speaker 3: other you know minorities and ethnic backgrounds that that you

498
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Speaker 3: know that also embraced that like I'll take a back seat,

499
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Speaker 3: I'll go there when it hurts, I'll drink and talk

500
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Speaker 3: to pass the problem.

501
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Speaker 5: If you let go because you're feeling something's not right,

502
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Speaker 5: then it's scary. But if you go and you're like, oh,

503
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Speaker 5: I feel fine, nothing's going to be wrong, then it's

504
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Speaker 5: a little.

505
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Speaker 1: Easier, easier, easier.

506
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well pivoting from that, you know, and again

507
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Speaker 3: very grateful that you went there with us.

508
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Speaker 1: The the idea.

509
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Speaker 3: That this was one of the moments like this is

510
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: the woman that was carrying herself with so much truth,

511
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 3: so much reality, and so much foresight was one of

512
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Speaker 3: the first things that I was like, she's really interesting.

513
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to know her.

514
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: And when we first met, uh, it was this ongoing

515
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: conversation of the things that we actually wanted in life, which.

516
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Speaker 4: Was where how did you first to meet?

517
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Speaker 1: Well, we had a mutual friend. We both have like

518
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: interesting perspectives from where she's this, she has a different perspective.

519
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Speaker 3: Absolutely the shorter version and I said, the cliffhanger because

520
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: we might use this one for social is that I

521
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: really fell in love with your dad first. You know,

522
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Speaker 3: this is the clip that Leo wanted for social media.

523
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Speaker 4: And your dad's a cool guy.

524
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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a cool He's he's my second dad too,

525
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Speaker 3: you know, he's just he's awesome and he's an incredible

526
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Speaker 3: friend to my dad.

527
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: He's just a great truck driver.

528
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Speaker 7: He is a retired truck driver, thank god. Finally.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us a little bit about that history too,

530
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: because that was something that your last.

531
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Speaker 1: Name is Pacheco.

532
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 4: So your dad, what's his ethnic background?

533
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Speaker 7: My dad is Mexican.

534
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: Mexican, and yeah, he was a truck driver for all

535
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 5: of his life and recently retired this year.

536
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 4: So he finally did it.

537
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Speaker 1: Grew up on that truck. I met your dad.

538
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Speaker 4: He was talking about retiring, but he actually did it.

539
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you talked to him about

540
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: it like four years ago, you know.

541
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I finally like kicked him.

542
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Hard enough and he did it. That's it done.

543
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: So we met to a mutual friend and and I kind.

544
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Speaker 4: Of like we we we.

545
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Speaker 3: I kind of was in this like I was like, oh,

546
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Speaker 3: should I say hi?

547
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Speaker 1: Should I not?

548
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: You know, like it was this serendipitous feeling that I

549
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 3: felt like I needed to connect with her. And as

550
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: soon as we connected, it was, you know, she was

551
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: she had plans to move to Miami because she wanted

552
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: to do model in Miami. One more of her adventures

553
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: where it's gonna lead her to Miami.

554
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Speaker 1: Irid living in San Diego when you when you.

555
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 7: Met, she had moved to maybe a month ago.

556
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a quick intersection before she jumped

557
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: on another flight go to Miami. But either way, she

558
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: was wondering about Miami and all the stuff, and obviously

559
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm from Miami, so I was giving her advice on

560
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: where to do, where to live, and you know, like

561
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: the things to expect about Miami and all that, because

562
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: you know she was gonna go to Miami, you know.

563
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Speaker 3: And in one afternoon we decided to meet for for

564
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Speaker 3: coffee and we met at zinc in uh or sincue.

565
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Speaker 1: Zinc or sinkue zinc at no No.

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Speaker 3: This was in in La so we in West Hollywood,

567
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Speaker 3: across from the Pacific Design Center, and we just had

568
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: like a three hour conversation about everything that you know,

569
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: that about our lives and all that, and I just

570
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: knew that I was going to know this person. And

571
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: then we walked over to join the Juice and we

572
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: had another coffee there, and then I was getting picked

573
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: up because I was going to Operational Smile in a

574
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 3: Park City with my friend Jennifer Sake and was there

575
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: an amazing organization by the way we could just bring

576
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: his mouth to the planet, which is incredible. But the

577
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: point is I was leaving and as I was leaving

578
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 3: our coffee, we had talked about everything, you know, and

579
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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to know this person.

580
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Speaker 1: And as soon as a guy in the.

581
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Speaker 3: Car and I drove it to her car, you know,

582
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Speaker 3: and as soon as I took off, I was like,

583
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Speaker 3: I think this is going to be my friend.

584
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to have a new friend, you know.

585
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: And we kind of send each other a few messages

586
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: and then she was like, Hey, what are you doing

587
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: Monday when you get in?

588
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, this hang out again.

589
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: So we we met a second time and then we

590
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: were just you know, talking and talked more and had

591
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: the great time. And was that when we went to

592
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Speaker 3: the movies or when did we go to the movies after?

593
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, we went to the movies, like right after that.

594
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Speaker 1: On the second time.

595
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so second date movies.

596
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Speaker 3: So we went to see the movies and there to

597
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Speaker 3: the movie. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna go to the

598
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: movies and my friend Toda was going to meet us

599
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: there and all stuff, and dude, it was the opening

600
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: nine for Dumble and We're gonna go watch Dumble And

601
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: as Tim Burton dumb And as we walk in to

602
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: the movie theater, my mom and my two sisters coincidentally

603
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Speaker 3: show up to the same movie.

604
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Speaker 1: This was not planned at all.

605
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 7: I still don't believe that it was.

606
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Speaker 1: It was not planet all, but it was the opening night.

607
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: It was like the showing before dinner, right, So, like I.

608
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: Knew that my sisters were gonna go to a movie

609
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: at some point, and of course it was gonna be

610
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: in this night. And we woke up and I'm like

611
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Speaker 3: a man, meet my mom and my sisters. So of

612
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: course Cinderella and my sisters are like, you know, two sisters,

613
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: and like she you know, and you know, obviously they're

614
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: so sweet, they're funny. They were like totally fine. But

615
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: but of course for her it's like what the will

616
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: just happened. I'm meeting his best friend, he's best friends,

617
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, girlfriend, and then you know, my wife and

618
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, my mother of his child, and then also

619
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Speaker 3: my mom and my two sisters.

620
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Speaker 1: So she like was thrown in the deep end on

621
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Speaker 1: the second.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big that's a big deal.

623
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but it was.

624
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: It was beautiful because you know, we went to the

625
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: movie and we didn't we didn't have you know, she

626
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: didn't have to talk to them, So so that was good.

627
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: The craziest part for me was when we went to

628
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 3: dinner right after and and uh, we're sitting there and

629
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Speaker 3: my friend had, my friend had, you know, brought his daughter,

630
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: like his daughter, and they're sitting there and you know,

631
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Speaker 3: she finds out that Amanda is it is a dive master,

632
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: and she starts asking questions about the ocean. And Amanda

633
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: spend the entire dinner talking to this young girl about

634
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: the ocean, about what she's seeing, about the places she's

635
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: gone and when she's discovered on the ocean. And I'm

636
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: watching her talk to this young girl and having the

637
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: patients and the and being so passionate or tell her

638
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: about the ocean and the nature and all the stuff

639
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 3: that she loves as an ocean lover herself. And I

640
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: literally said to myself, she's the mother and my children.

641
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: Mm On the second day.

642
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: The second day, I just know she was going to

643
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: be an incredible mother. The way you took the time

644
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: to talk to her, I was like, she has half

645
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: that patience with our annoying as kids, and it's gonna

646
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: be pret thankfully. Uh Nacana is just as an adventure

647
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: freakings as her mother.

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00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good.

649
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: But let's hold that right there, and we're gonna say

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Speaker 3: this is part one and stay tuned for part two

651
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Speaker 3: of my conversation with my Jimmy Turi and I think

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Speaker 3: next we're gonna play a little game too.

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Speaker 1: A little game.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Dose Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's

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Speaker 2: Our cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed

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Speaker 2: by Deny Holt.

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Speaker 3: Claw And thank you for being at Third Amigo today.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys always listening to those Amigos.

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Speaker 2: More podcasts from my Heart, visit the R Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,

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Speaker 2: so you next week