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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and this is Samantha, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to stuff. I never told you a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios how starts all right, listeners. Um, I know,

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Speaker 1: The other day when I was researching this topic and

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Speaker 1: Some sexual assault, rape, incest, and of course abortion, abortion, miscarriage. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And a future episode possibly right after this one, but

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Speaker 1: that Republicans, which is the party of less government on paper,

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Speaker 1: was a private matter between women and their doctors. Reagan,

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Speaker 1: founder Kristin Conger and Caroline Irvan Pass co host UM.

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Speaker 1: the child or the fetus. It's more so about control

432
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Speaker 1: over that woman. And this is a really dangerous precedent

433
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Speaker 1: that could happen, whether it's a woman's choice or not,

434
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: and binding them into a hard situation. Again, and remember

435
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: many times in domestic violence situations and or um child

436
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: abuse situations. If the wife or the woman or the

437
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: partner rather is a victim and doesn't do anything to say,

438
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: prevent a charm of harm from a child, prevent harm

439
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: from a child, they can be also prosecuted for neglect

440
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: or endangerment. And I know at least several of these

441
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: cases that I've seen or worked with, the partner who

442
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: is the victim is a victim, and it's disregarded oftentimes

443
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Speaker 1: more than anything else. And so you have to think

444
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: about how hard is this going to be even the

445
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: future responses for DV types of situations. Yeah, there's a

446
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: lot of stuff I think that gets left out in

447
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: this whole conversation. There's a lot of other things going on. Um.

448
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Some activists think that both Row versus Wade and Plant

449
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: parented versus Casey have legal loopholes in them protecting the

450
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: legal right to an abortion, but also the interest the

451
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: state has in protecting a fetus's potential life. But most

452
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Speaker 1: of these laws that put the life of the fetus

453
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Speaker 1: at the pain and risk of life of the woman

454
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: don't protect the fetus or the pregnant party like they

455
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: don't succeed in either right, UM, most of these laws

456
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: are new maybe around and asked, Many anti abortion activists

457
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: say that punishing a grieving woman for having an unintentional

458
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: miscarriage is a small price to pay if they can

459
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Speaker 1: abolish abortion. From conservative activists and founding president of the

460
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, Paul wi Rich, I believe that if you

461
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: have to choose between new life and existing life, you

462
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: should choose new life. The person who has had an

463
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: opportunity to live at least has been given that gift

464
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: by God should make way for new life on earth. Yeah.

465
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Speaker 1: We I won't go into how messed up that comment is,

466
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Speaker 1: but I think I do want to put this out

467
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Speaker 1: there too, because I know some of the conversations that

468
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Speaker 1: I have, especially coming around about abortion and UM pro

469
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: life probably choice, those two conversations that happen. We're talking

470
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: a lot about the fact that the male politicians, white

471
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: male politicians seem to have one interest, and I think

472
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: they do. I think there are a lot of them

473
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: who have whole other ideas and controlling women in general.

474
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Speaker 1: But I do believe that there are those out there

475
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: who are very passionate in saying they want to save

476
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: lives UM, and I'm not going to disregard that as

477
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: something that's out there. I get that, I get that

478
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: in your um, in people's minds that this is a

479
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: baby and they want creation, and they have examples of

480
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: people who are unwanted pregnancies to begin with end up

481
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: being who have benefited others and have been helpful, have

482
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: done amazing things. And I'm not disregarding that at all.

483
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: We're not saying that that's not something to consider and

484
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: being passionate about. But what we're talking about is more

485
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: along the lines of this is dangerous, This is a

486
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: dangerous precedent, and not only UM, the fact that people

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: are not trusting people who can be pregnant, which to me,

488
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: I trust my nieces and my you know, and myself

489
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: and I will date the choice that is best for me. UM,

490
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: as well as the fact that there are just whole

491
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: ideas about people, especially late term um abortions, which by

492
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: the way, is not typical and the only time that

493
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: truly really happens is because of medical conditions. UM. Just

494
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: hearing the heartbreaking stories that I've heard from people, UM

495
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: who wanted these these children or this child couldn't because

496
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: of whatever medical problems that occurred, and just watching them

497
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: grieve over that, and then sitting here watching them discuss

498
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: this type of arguments and this type of um laws

499
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: coming into fect, how it could actually affect them, and

500
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: how it's traumatizing to see them being placed in the

501
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: port of like, oh, you're against life, when all they

502
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: really wanted was to create this life and love this

503
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: child and into their home and bring them into their home.

504
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's really problematic that we ignore that

505
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: and seem to be flippidly saying, oh, they did this

506
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: on purpose, yeah, you know. And I think that's another

507
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: part of the conversation. We want life. I treasure life.

508
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: That is my job. Like I try to care for

509
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: the because that come into the world without any help

510
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: and who have been pushed back or abused or neglected

511
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: or you know, completely disregarded because they are now old

512
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: enough to care for themselves, and why won't they type

513
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: of conversations, This is what I do. This is what

514
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about, and I want to be there for them,

515
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: and I want to help them and advocate for them.

516
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is this whole idea

517
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: of it just being pro life versus you know, anti life.

518
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: If you want to say that way, that's not true,

519
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: that's not the conversation. And just easily saying you're murdering babies.

520
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: We get that. No one wants to murder babies. Let's

521
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: just put that out there. That's not a thing. That's

522
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: not a thing. But at the same time, this is

523
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: the bigger issue. This is a bigger point. Who are

524
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: we criminalizing Why are we criminalizing them? How does this

525
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: affect individual women to being healthy and honest and upfront

526
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: about what they need, how to get the care that

527
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Speaker 1: they need. Like again, I know this is all like

528
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: kind of a rant right now, but I don't want

529
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Speaker 1: it to be said that is just oh, yeah, we

530
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: we don't like babies. Yeah, this is not I don't

531
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: know how else to say it. There's not that's not

532
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: a thing, I know. And that's why a lot of

533
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: people are trying to relabel it as bro choice and

534
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: anti choice. Um right, yeah, And I mean we didn't

535
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Speaker 1: go into it too much because, like I said, there's

536
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: so much content and I'm sure a lot of you

537
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: know it, but yeah, late term, a lot of the

538
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: miss out there their myths like and also we've heard

539
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: story after story, and we even did one specifically when

540
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: we did the Ireland episode UM of women being taken

541
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: to hospitals and like having extreme long, difficult miscarriages because

542
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to have an abortion um and the

543
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: babies UM. And then in the case of the one

544
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: in Ireland, she died as well. So this is dangerous, right,

545
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: This is absolutely dangerous as well as the fact that

546
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: and to put it bluntly, and I'm so sorry for

547
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: those who have gone through this to have a a

548
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: stillborn still inside of you and have trying to carry

549
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: that the full term. It's already traumatic. It's already tramatic

550
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: to have to give birth to uh, something that is

551
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: no longer living that you love automatically. Let's just go

552
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: ah and put that there. And these laws are problematic

553
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: in itself because of things like that. Yeah. And one

554
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: other thing that um, I find really upsetting, and I

555
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of people do, is that there aren't

556
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: any support systems in place oftentimes for raising these children UM. Right.

557
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And again I say this as a person who works

558
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: and worked with foster care systems. The argument that many

559
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: people have is that no one truly supports the foster

560
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: care system, more kids in out of home placements, and

561
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: it's very true we don't have enough funding to help

562
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: these kids. We do the bare minimum. Hey Christmas, Christmas

563
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: time comes around and all of the churches give free gifts,

564
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. Please we appreciate that, thank you very much. However,

565
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: they need they need more than just gifts around Christmas time.

566
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: They need family atmosphere they need and when I say family,

567
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: someone who could care for them. But it's hard to

568
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: love those who don't know how to be loved. Let's

569
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: try that. And because people are being told you need

570
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: to have these children and single moms, you are miracle workers.

571
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to go ahead and put that out there.

572
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: You have a job, probably for those who have one

573
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: job trying to figure out how to care for a

574
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: kid taken to school and not neglect them. If you

575
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: don't have a support system, you're already screwed. What that

576
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: buy that? I mean like a family or they care

577
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: free child care. That is problematic too. And then we

578
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: talk about again when we talk about the foster care system,

579
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: there's so many kids ages eight and older who have

580
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: no home because they're troubled, they have had issues because

581
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: of things that they have gone through. And I can

582
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: guarantee you any of these kids you meet are going

583
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: to have to have intensive counseling. It's really cute, these

584
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: little integreen gables, fairy tales that happened, or you know,

585
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: any the orphan who are all just ready to be

586
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: picked up and love you. It is gonna be amazing.

587
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen people. That's not misleading is wrong. Um,

588
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: And I know how I've scared many people away from

589
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: being a foster parent because I get really honest and

590
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, you need to be ready for this, because

591
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: one of the hardest things that I see in the

592
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: system is because who are not wanted. And when I

593
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: say that, I mean kids who are passed around from

594
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: foster care to foster care, group home to group home,

595
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: from family person one person to the next, and they

596
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: learn very quickly how little they're worth. Yeah, So if

597
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you're really pro life, what does that look like? And

598
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't mean because you want to be given the

599
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: sainthood and for bringing a child into your home. That's

600
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: not how this works. This is this is difficult and

601
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: whatever you think you're going through, that child has gone

602
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: through even more and that's the thing is how do

603
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: we help How do we help a system that does

604
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: not benefit people who are in bad situations who are

605
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: trying to make a life for that child, whether it's

606
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a single parent trying to figure this out and trying

607
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: to get the job that they want, trying to go

608
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: back to school, or trying to keep their job and

609
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: not being able to be afforded helping these kids. Or

610
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: when you have a school system that is so punitive

611
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: that at any types of trouble they kick them out,

612
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: so therefore the kids have nowhere to go even after

613
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: the fact. There's so many things wrong with the system.

614
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: And and and I'm going off again, However, this is part

615
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: of the problem here, is like we want to talk

616
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: about birthing children. Got you that happened? Now? What? Yeah?

617
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: And we're talking about restricting food stamps and what they

618
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: can get with food stamps. We're talking about doing drug

619
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: screams for those people so they can't get food stamps,

620
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: or we're talking about wick and cutting back on some

621
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: of that health care. We're talking about the fact that

622
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: we're taking away insurance for people. How does that help

623
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: those who live and those who are alive? Mm hmm.

624
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: What do we do? Why haven't we focused on that

625
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: because we're placing more value and the people that have

626
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: not been born yea yeah. Um. And another part of

627
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: this argument that we won't go too much into, but

628
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: it is very important, is the fact that um, like

629
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: restrictions around getting birth control or insurance pro writing birth control,

630
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: so um, the difficulty of preventing an unwanted pregnancy so

631
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that you will never have to get to this abortion

632
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: because we're even having to have a definition of what

633
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: is abortion with birth control exactly. And then we talked

634
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: about there's already a conversation about making education abstinence only

635
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: once get Oh yeah, there's so my scause. I think

636
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: I just ignored it all together except for health classes

637
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: we had to sign for emission form. I think that

638
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: was it. Um. As well as the fact that the

639
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: administration once again is pulling back um, birth control as

640
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: preventive medicine. Yeah, but at medication is still free for all.

641
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: Fantastic Yes. Um, A rectile dysfunction is what I mean here,

642
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: because I got corrected once about it probably meaning eating disorders. Um. Yeah,

643
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: So so there's that as well. UM. And then there's

644
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: also the conversation We had around racism with this because

645
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I saw a popular argument that our population is declining

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Speaker 1: because of abortion. And no, just no, Um, it's going

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Speaker 1: down for a lot of reasons. Hardly anyone can afford

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Speaker 1: to have kids. There's no maternity leave or affordable childcare. Um.

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Speaker 1: Those are just off the top of my head, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Um. And it's not aborgins, it's

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Speaker 1: not abortions. Um. And also this is a pretty white statistic. Um,

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Speaker 1: we care when white women aren't having kids, but inversely,

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Speaker 1: we don't want women of color, people of color having kids.

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Speaker 1: And by we, I mean people in this country using

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Speaker 1: like the role. We're not not us um. And there's

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Speaker 1: a long dark history of forcibly sterilizing women of color,

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Speaker 1: eugenics and abortions that we definitely need to come back

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Speaker 1: and revisit. Right. And then a few years ago we

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Speaker 1: had that incident in which the judge forced that upon

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Speaker 1: a black woman, saying either you go ahead and get

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Speaker 1: sterilized or you go to jail, as if that's a choice,

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Speaker 1: and that was given to a woman of color. Right,

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Speaker 1: And and here here's what I'm gonna say. This is

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Speaker 1: an outright attack on people of color. I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: that as a statement. Let's be clear, the pre row

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Speaker 1: legalities targeted poor or women of color, including refugees and

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Speaker 1: black people, and where and is more likely to be

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Speaker 1: charged and criminalized under the new laws and policies. And

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Speaker 1: with that, it's already recorded. The maternity more city rate

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Speaker 1: is much higher for people of color, three times more

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Speaker 1: likely than any other race um according to the CDC.

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Speaker 1: So I think when I say it's an attack, it's

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Speaker 1: an attack because you see people who talk about welfare

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Speaker 1: are of that stuff. When we see all of the

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Speaker 1: languages within the legal talks, it neglects women of color,

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Speaker 1: black people specifically in all of their conversations. Essentially, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's no coincidence that this is happening in states

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Speaker 1: that have done their best to redistrict and restrict voting rates. Right,

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Speaker 1: And there's been many comments involving Stacy Abrams and the

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Speaker 1: current issues prevailing our system with suppressing voters. And as

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Speaker 1: we speak, there are now forms of voting that could

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Speaker 1: very easily be corrupted. The new ways of new tallying

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Speaker 1: systems and the computer systems we're talking about is very

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Speaker 1: dangerous about what who and what is neglected. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So there is a lot at play in this conversation,

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Speaker 1: and because it is emotional, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: times it just boils down to you know, I don't

688
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Speaker 1: want abortion or I do want abortion, but you've got

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Speaker 1: to think about all of this other stuff as connected

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Speaker 1: to it. UM. And we do have a little bit

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Speaker 1: more for your listeners, but first we have one more

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Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. So, UM, we did wanna have kind

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Speaker 1: of in our concluding segment maybe what you can do

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Speaker 1: I think options, UM. But before that, I just want

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Speaker 1: to say that this is really about control UM and

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Speaker 1: women not being seen as people but as baby production factories. UM.

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Speaker 1: And with some of the statements and extreme possible consequences

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Speaker 1: that they also show a lack of concern for women

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Speaker 1: situation that they're facing. The quote from Alabama bill sponsor

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Speaker 1: Senator Clyde Shambliss demonstrates this because when he was asked

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Speaker 1: about why the bill didn't apply to the destruction of

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Speaker 1: fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization, he said, the

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Speaker 1: egg in the lab does not apply. It's not in

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Speaker 1: a woman. She is not pregnant. So I mean that's

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Speaker 1: pretty clear that if you if he really believes that

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Speaker 1: conception is at the moment of fertization, like the bill argues,

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Speaker 1: it's what I'm trying to say, don't you've literally said

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Speaker 1: it's not in a woman. So um, ways that you

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Speaker 1: can get involved, vote, vote. I know we've kind of

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Speaker 1: like put it through on the water well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and if you go and look at your stays, you

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Speaker 1: can see what seats are coming up. Run. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love that idea. If you have a passion, run, um.

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Speaker 1: I think that that is something that is important. And

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Speaker 1: if you have the you know, the clean background check

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Speaker 1: um cleanish kandish cleanish will say. And also if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to run, you can support someone right you

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Speaker 1: believe in. You can be involved in their campaign, you

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00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: can help organize um, you can donate, you can always donate.

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Speaker 1: You can speak up. I know there was it was

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Speaker 1: trending on Twitter, just like share your experiences, and they

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Speaker 1: were trying to get men to be share their experiences

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Speaker 1: as well. It sucks that the onus is always on

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00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: marginalized folks to tell our stories so that people will

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00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: treat us like human beings right. Yeah. Um, a lot

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Speaker 1: of states have specific organizations you can volunteer for or

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Speaker 1: donate to as well, so I would check that out right,

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00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: And as we spoke about earlier, there's still there's still

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Speaker 1: access to abortion care all over the country and none

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Speaker 1: of these laws have completely come into effect yet. Um,

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Speaker 1: so volunteer. There are many clinics who need people to

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Speaker 1: be escorts. We already know it's scary en't have to

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Speaker 1: go forward and make significant decisions in regards who wants body,

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Speaker 1: but to have hate and intimidation surround you. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine that trauma uh having an allied support

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Speaker 1: in just everyday life. I know that something that is

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Speaker 1: benefited and was wanted and is asked for. And that's

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Speaker 1: the way. One way that you could actually be there

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00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: in the fight is to be a hand, to be

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Speaker 1: a literal shield them as they walk to do something

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Speaker 1: that may be already incredibly difficult and a huge life

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00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: decision for them. And if not, it maybe just something

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00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: they can have someone to talk to and just be

745
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: there with them, because not everyone has that support system, right,

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Speaker 1: I know, I say it all the time, but sex djucation,

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Speaker 1: it's clear that a lot of the dude is making

748
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Speaker 1: these laws have no idea how the female body works.

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Speaker 1: Example after example of them trying to still don't understand

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Speaker 1: some of the female body parts. So like that explanation

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00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: of like the topic pregnancy. Oh my god. UM, so

752
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: it's maybe too late for them. We should get them

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00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: all in our room and just be like with you. Um.

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Speaker 1: And just also in Georgia, there's a mass discussion in

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Speaker 1: the entertainment industry and how they should proceed. Obviously, Georgia

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Speaker 1: has become a big hub for a lot of the

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Speaker 1: entertainment production companies to come through and film here, and

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00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: a few of our production companies have already pulled out. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I know several actors have already stated they would

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Speaker 1: not be a part of any film or project that

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Speaker 1: filmed in the states that have these new legislations. So

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Speaker 1: Jason Bateman's already made a statement that if the Georgia

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Speaker 1: law passes any of the um blocks that he would

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Speaker 1: not be filming here. The Ozarks is one of those

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Speaker 1: that is filmed here. Um. But so I have a

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Speaker 1: like uh when it comes to stuff like that, because

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Speaker 1: I understand why bands are necessary and protesting like that

768
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: is necessary, but for those who live in this community,

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Speaker 1: like you and myself, we need allies. So when people

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Speaker 1: just abruptly leave, we lose allies, we lose any kind

771
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Speaker 1: of stance that we really have, and we start backtracking.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, in the last few elections, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten a little more hopeful because we feel like I

774
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: feel like we're progressing in a big way. Um. But

775
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Speaker 1: then you look at people like Jordan Pill and j

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Speaker 1: j Abrams who has a different approach which they're about

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00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: to start filming here as well, and instead of pulling out,

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00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: they said they would be donating their whole um profits

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Speaker 1: to UH fund against these legilations. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: even bigger, Like we're gonna have someone behind us with

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Speaker 1: a little more money, because get our individual sales don't

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Speaker 1: have the money that a lot of the politicians and

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Speaker 1: a lot of these UM lobbyists do. So having people

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Speaker 1: like that saying they're gonna give us money to help

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Speaker 1: fight it, that's to me a better way, maybe because

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00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: I live here and I want to proceed to fight

787
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: for it instead of just letting it be UM. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a really hard situation. How how would you how

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Speaker 1: does someone handle this without being over the top. And

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Speaker 1: of course there's also the debate that um, I know

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Speaker 1: the right the conservatives have said that the that the

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00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: entertainment industry has its benefit this at all any way

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Speaker 1: to begin with, it's just the way for them to

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Speaker 1: let save money. And that's kind of true for sure.

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Speaker 1: But we've also got an uptake go on um jobs, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did an episode on that a while back, because

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00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: I do work in the entertainment and and like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the numbers are squidgy, but I would I would argue

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Speaker 1: that we have made money. It's just hard to say

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Speaker 1: how much. Um, And yeah we have. We have jobs,

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00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: we have new infrastructure in place. Yeah, it's I think

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00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: it's worth saying. As at the top of the Planned Parenthood,

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00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: I believe it says, um, abortion is still safe and

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00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: it's still legal, Like, um, these are all its influx.

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Speaker 1: It's happening very quickly. It This fight is in no

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Speaker 1: way over right, um, and we do we need allies

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00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: and um and it's not just the seuth no obviously,

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00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: as we are looking around and the new bills are happening. UM,

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Speaker 1: I like how it's been kind of specified as if

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Speaker 1: it's just a southern issue in southern country people, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's the thing everywhere. And as people about

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00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: any of these kind of morginalized issues is global. It

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00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: is um and we are now highlight get more and

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00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: more because of the newest administration. However that it should

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Speaker 1: be seeing this is everyone's fight, is not just one

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Speaker 1: state fight. Yeah, and this this about brings us today

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Speaker 1: into this episode. I know that people have very strong

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Speaker 1: feelings about it, so I hope that we can continue

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Speaker 1: the conversation and get some of the There's so much,

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Speaker 1: there's so many things to tackle here. But I I

821
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Speaker 1: think that this community, the people who listen to this show,

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00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: I'm always so inspired, UM buy them hearing them. So

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Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you. Um, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing in your state or in your country? Because

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00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: we have international listeners. You know this has been very

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00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: United States specific, but UM, if you would like to

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