WEBVTT - #277 Packers Unscripted: Last one on location 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:20.680 Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted on location from the 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.800 NFL Scouting Combine in downtown Indianapolis from Packers dot Com. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.080 I am Mike Spofford, joined by my colleague West hot 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.320 Quits and once again special guest Larry McCarron and guys. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.920 One of the positions that the Packers certainly are looking 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.840 at here at the Combine for the upcoming NFL Draft 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.760 and free agency for that matter, is the tight end position. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.159 West the Packers have only Lance Kendricks under contract at 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.400 the moment. Richard Rogers is a pending free agent. Will 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.640 see what happens there. What are your thoughts on maybe 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.360 where this is headed for Green Bay? Well, I thought 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.360 it was really telling. Mike McCarthy when he was meeting 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.480 with the media back on now Wednesday, he mentioned that 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.600 they need to increase the competition at that position. Obviously 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.680 when when you go through the amunt of injuries that 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.000 they did last season. Uh, give all the credit in 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.360 the world Emmanuel Birds stepping up against the Detroit Lions, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.080 but that wasn't the way you drew it up when 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.880 you were at this thing at the beginning of Week one. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.840 So the best Packer teams historically have had four or 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.240 five options at tight end because with that body type, 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.920 it lends itself to special teams even if they aren't 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.840 getting the reps on offense. I think they got to 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.600 get back to that. Richard Rodgers is a guy that 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.720 we have to make a determination on in free agency. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.759 But I've been saying all along here, regardless of his situation, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.120 I think they still need to draft somebody at that position. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.119 And I know one guy that jumped off the pages, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.800 Troy ful mcgalley. He said he'd love to stay in Wisconsin. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.039 I know Packer fans, Badger fans would love to see 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.319 him stay in Wisconsin. But a lot of good prospects 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.080 overall for the Packers have possibly consider. Yeah, Larry, what 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.560 are your thoughts on just what's going on here at 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.960 the tight end position for Green Bay. You know what 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.680 I've stood out to me most of this off season 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:55.800 is when I read comments an expert opinions on Lance Kendricks, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.120 I get the sense of people I think he is 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.320 a willing blocker, but not a very capable blocker. And 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.560 I know this may be boring to people. That's a 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.960 slight touchdowns of stuff, but I I could pull up 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.359 some tape and show you that guy really kicking some 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.919 rear end. When it comes to the blocking game, he 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.040 is willing, but he's also very technically sound. Now he's 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.440 a chiseled guy, but body type, he's not a big guy. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.280 He's not a mask. He can't can't lay that kind 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.239 of weight on people. But because of technique, I could 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:35.200 just show you some outstanding blocking both against down people 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.160 full grown defensive ends and downfield against linebackers at the 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.280 second level. So I just think Lance Kendricks in that 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.960 regard and that specific area of his game has not 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.400 gotten his just do. And I know a lot of 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.600 you don't care, but I care. It's a good point, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.919 it really is, because I think sometimes people just look 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:54.760 at the numbers, They just look at the stats, and 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.560 that is the end of the ball game for them. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.040 But it doesn't really tell you the whole tale of things. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:00.239 And I think you look at some of the guys 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.360 that have been successful in Green Bay, the Bubba Franks 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.799 is in the world that Donald Lee's guys that were 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.080 more well rounded, that they can do those multiple things. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.200 And we've talked about a time and time again, Mike, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.639 with the way that this college game has played now, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.400 the spread offense. Richard Rodgers talked about it with what 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.079 he was asked to do at Cal it isn't There 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.760 isn't as much inline stuff anymore. So little things like 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.560 that go a long way. I think yeah, And I think, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.640 as we've talked about West, that's one thing that makes 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.280 a guy like Troy fu mcgalley full Misconsin a very 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.880 interesting prospect because coming from Wisconsin's pro style offense, he 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.680 is a guy who's had to block. He is a 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.000 guy who's gone downfield to catch passes. Now, he's not 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.080 the most explosive athlete in the world, So you're talking 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.320 about a mid to late round pick here, You're not 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.720 talking about a first round draft pick. But then on 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.839 the other side of things, also in the Big Ten 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.920 from Penn State, Mike get Sicking is you know, also 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.920 like fu mcgalley, six ft six, around two and fifty pounds. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.720 But this is a guy who's at another level athletically. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.560 He's a basketball player in his background, really loves to 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.440 go up and get the ball. But a guy who 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.360 doesn't maybe have the blocking resume that a guy like 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.720 fu mcgalley does, he's a little bit higher rated because 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.560 of those statistics and what he might be able to 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.880 do downfield. But but two guys from the Big ten 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:11.680 who are getting a lot of attention here. Well, Mike, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.800 when you mentioned a multi sport athlete playing the position, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:20.000 it reminded me of somebody we talked about Rosier this week. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.000 Hayden Hurst, tight end out of South Carolina, and he 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.320 is right at the top of the list, the top 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.120 couple three, maybe fifth at the worst. He's going to 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.679 be a high draft choice fifties, running the four sixes. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.200 But the thing I saw fascinating about him is that 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.800 he came up as a drafted player in baseball out 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.000 of high school, signed with the Pittsburgh Pirates for four 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.800 hundred thousand dollars. He's a picture six fifty, of course, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.960 and he signs for four d thousand dollars, and he 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.680 gets to the rookie camp and slowly but surely, he 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.240 starts losing it. He gets the what he called the yips, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.120 and he no longer has control his hand to be shaken. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.840 He got to the point, and this is what he said, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.799 he got to the point where he couldn't play catch 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.600 on the sideline. They'd have to go somewhere else, and 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.120 and he still couldn't play catch. He just developed, like 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.320 I said, the yips. And he stuck with it for 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.039 two and a half three years, still in rookie camp 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.360 all that time, and finally he said, hey, I could 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.320 play a pretty good game of football when I was 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.040 in high school. So he enrolls of South Carolina and 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.320 three years later he's one of the top tight ends 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.560 in the draft. And what a resilience story. And another 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.760 part of it he had Tommy John surgery as an 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.960 eighth grade. I mean, just a remarkable story. He has 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.160 nothing to do with Troy f mcg but yeah, well, 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.760 and you never you just never know what stories necessarily 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.040 are behind these guys. Even get Sicky from Penn State. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.720 He was a quarterback initially in high school, got beat 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.920 out for the job, was gonna quit football, thought he'd 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.160 be the next Vince Carter on the basketball court. But 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.640 then I had a coach say, hey, why don't you 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.480 try receiver. So he becomes a receiver and said, hey, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.880 I kind of like catching touchdown and now here he 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.840 is one of the top rated tight ends coming out 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.560 of college football, coming out of the Big Tent. Yeah, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.160 I thought I was gonna be the next fense young too. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.120 That didn't quite work out for me. The height wasn't there. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:14.840 But yeah, really impressed enough scouts though for that. But 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.599 one little last day, I want to tell Dallas Goddard 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.360 tight end coming out of South Dakota State. There's been 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:21.919 some good ones that have come out of that program 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.200 over the years, even though it isn't one of those 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.520 big power conferences, uh you know, FBS, whatever you want 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.600 to call it. He had an interesting story too. He's 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:29.960 a guy that could go in the first two days 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.840 of the draft. He's actually named Dallas because his father 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.480 is a Cowboys fan, but his mother ended up remarrying 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.920 when he was eight years old. His stepfather, a Packers fan, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.920 ended up turning him over the Packers, so he said 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.120 he wouldn't be too disappointed either if green Bay came coming. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.159 He should for green Bay. That sounds like a good idea. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.039 With that, we're going to go to a break back 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.719 with more from the NFL Scouting Combine right after this 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.839 Welcome Back to Packers unscripted from the NFL Scouting Combine. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.880 Larry and Mike and West here with you and uh West. Inevitably, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.600 when we come here every year. There are connections between 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.520 these prospects who are entering the draft and players who 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.080 are on the Packers roster. One of those connections that's 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.280 really pretty interesting. For those out there who really know 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.800 the Packers roster top to bottom, you'll know there's a 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.120 six ft six wide receiver who made a little bit 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.320 of a splash towards the end of seen. I'm talking 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.840 about Michael Clark and his college quarterback from Marshall is 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.240 here at the combine trying to make his pitch to 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.440 get drafted, Chase Litton West. Would you find out about Chase? Well, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.080 here's what's interesting about this whole story. These two guys 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.400 actually played AU basketball together from fifth grade through ninth grade, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.240 both Floridians and and you know, really good basketball players 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.840 on the court. Well, ninth grade comes around multi sport athletes, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.320 and you know you had that first year Michael Clarke 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.360 decides to play high school football and then decides, you 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.240 know what, I'm gonna focus on basketball, ends up point 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.880 of St. Francis, Pa. Plays for a year. Meanwhile, you 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.360 have Litton ends up becoming a pretty accomplished quarterback, gets 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.760 a scholarship, goes to Marshall, starts there for a number 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.679 of years, and as time goes on, Michael Clark decides, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.320 you know what, I want to go back to football again. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.440 So he places a text message to Lytton saying, Hey, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.200 what do you think can we make this happen? He 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.760 talks to his coach named Doc Holiday at Marshall Holiday 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.840 three days later is that this is almost too much 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:34.079 to dot Holiday Hoday is the mom name? Miss kiddy? 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.120 What's going on? You know? That's that's definitely the same show. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:44.040 I don't even know regardless of the check out TV. Okay, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.520 I'm sorry, but anyway you have Clark to three days later, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.320 makes the trip down to West Virginia, starts as a 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.720 walk on semester, later gets a scholarship, ends up leading 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.280 them and receiving in his only year at Marshall. Now, 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.160 the interesting part of this is you go for ord 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.040 now is the fact that Linton is actually the one 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.160 leaning on Clark for advice, because Clark ended up having 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.440 those two games with the Packers last season. All the 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.880 intangible six ft six He says, that size that you 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.840 cannot coach and also just strictly unfair. His first three 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.240 catches at Marshall. We're all touchdowns. I mean, that's just 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.160 the kind of ashy. Yeah, throw up the ball and 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.400 let him go get it, Larry, Michael Clark is such 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.160 an interesting story, and I'm curious of your view on 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.200 this because you've seen plenty of guys come and go 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.480 in Green Bay. This is a guy. He doesn't go 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.480 to a major college program. He starts as a basketball player, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.000 decides to enter the NFL draft after one year of 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.400 college football, doesn't hire an Agent's gonna represent himself. He 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.120 doesn't get drafted, he goes the undrafted route. By the 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.960 end of his rookie year, he's on the active roster 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.480 and playing football for the Green Bay Packers. Have you 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.640 ever seen anything like this? Well, the thing of it 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.920 is that whole process that you detailed right there. It 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.480 says a couple of things. Number One, Michael Clark, a 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.839 guy with his background, came to the right place. Now 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:04.360 he will give free agents a chance to grow and develop. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.520 You need that. I mean a guy like Michael Clark, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.000 as unique as he is and what he brings to 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.760 the party physically, you need time. You're talking about going 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.800 from a little a little college football to the NFL 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.280 to Aaron Rodgers to Green Bay Packers and Mike McCarthy's playbook. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.079 I mean, you're talking a heck of a transition. So 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.679 you need a team with personnel people and coaches that 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.680 have patients. The other thing I think it says is 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.880 that Michael Clark is a special guy. He's got that 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.800 that the right stuff. You know. There's there's so many 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.400 times like when you're a player and they bring in 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.599 the young kids and you watch and the guys, the 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.640 veterans they watched in a lot of times they will 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.160 recognize a player that's got the right stuff to mystical 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.120 it shall always say. And I'm sure they were looking 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.079 at Michael Clark this past summer and said that kid 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.719 is going to be a keeper. And sometimes the players 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.320 actually get that sense before the coaches, before the scouts. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.560 It's just something about it. And you see a kid 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.320 how he goes about his business. And number one, you 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.200 have to have ability wanting to do it. I I 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.280 don't want to burst any bubbles, but wanting to do 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.760 it is not enough. That's a big start. But God 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.520 had to be nice to you in the delivery room. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.599 He had to give you some athletic ability. It's just 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.120 the way it. As you go up the athletic ladder, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.480 you need that, you need at least a baseline of ability, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.000 especially as you move up to the higher levels. And 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.640 so he's got that. But then there's also, like I said, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.080 that mystical it when it comes to attitude. Is is 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.079 he that guy that after a couple of days of 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.679 camp and people get sore and tired? Is he the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.560 guy's starting to make more mistakes? Is he the guy 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.319 kind of you know, lack of days ago and his 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.920 walk to the practice field and stuff like that. I mean, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.040 you start looking for little signs, and you also look 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.080 for signs the other ways. He's the guy that's first 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.839 in line. Is he the guy that doesn't drop past us? 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.760 Is he the guys that, when it comes to being 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.320 physical can stick his nose in there? Is not afraid 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.520 of that kind of stuff. That's what you saw, Michael Clark. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.840 And and as you mentioned, Mike, you know, you sit 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.760 there and fight the good fight all season long, and 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.120 the practice squad nobody knows you even exist anymore. But 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.840 every day you're earning your spot on the roster, and 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.120 every day you're being evaluated and the kids like Michael 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.560 Clark who realized that they're the ones that end up 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.440 getting that chance. Yeah, and where I think we're all 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.520 very anxious and interested to see just what Michael Clark 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.920 does in his second season. With that, we'll go to 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.360 a break back with more on Packers unscripted from the 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:59.319 NFL Scouting Combine right after this. Welcome Back to Packers 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.160 unscripted from the Indiana Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis, the 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.880 NFL Scouting Combine, Larry and Mike and West and gentlemen, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.880 we know the NFL is a cutthroat business. There's not 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.400 a whole lot of room for sentiment around here, and 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.200 these teams are going to be going at it in 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.800 the draft, trying to figure out who these prospects are 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.720 ranking him, trying to grab him before the other guys 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.480 do all of that in a couple of months. But 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.280 there was a little bit of a sentimental moment West 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.839 the other day when Seattle General Manager John Schneider was 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.800 at the podium, long time personnel executive for the Packers, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.400 friend and confident of former Packers GM Ted Thompson. He 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.240 was asked by you about Ted Thompson's legacy in Green Bay. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.760 Now that he has he has stepped aside and made 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.319 way for Brian Gouda Kunts and uh, the thoughts from 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.560 Schneider we were very poignant, very interesting. Give me your thoughts. Yeah, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.040 I mean, here's the thing that you have to understand 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.400 is John Schneider is a ron Wolf guy. He's he 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.840 wrote in that letter, you know, asking for an opportunity. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.480 Wolf's a guy that gave it to him. But during 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.000 their time together, he got incredibly close with Ted Thompson 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.000 in terms of just the day in, day out riggers 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.360 of the job, but also just from a personal perspective. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:10.920 And you know, I've talked to him a number of 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.719 times over the years and he always says the one 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.000 thing he learned the most from Ted was just how 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.319 to handle the job with class, you know, whether it's 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.760 cutting a player, whether it's the way you run your operation. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.000 Something that he really tried to take with him. Even 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.120 if you know philosophically his he differs in terms of 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.680 some of the free agent acquisition stuff, he really took 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.440 a lot of that from Ted. So given that Ted 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.720 Thompson's tenure now as GM has come to an end 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.280 after thirteen years now and that senior advisor role. I 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.640 wanted to ask John about that. And the first thing 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.800 he said when I asked him about what Ted's legacy is, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.120 he just said enormous and immediately started breaking up right 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.280 after that and closed it. You know, I had a 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.960 couple of nice words from the close it by saying 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.680 we do miss him down here. Um. And and the 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.640 big thing I think, you know, because Ted stayed back 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.720 is Brian Goodkin said watching film and Green Bay right now. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.400 He's obviously still around here. But for these guys, the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.240 John Dorsey's, the Elliot Wolves, the Reggie Mackenzie's, all of 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.480 them kind of sprout from the Ron Wolf tree, but 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.280 all of them were, you know, have a had a 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.600 pretty big impact made on them by Ted Thompson. Yeah. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.280 And when you look at the fact that the Packers 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.560 have made this big change at the top of their 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.640 football operation, Larry for the first time in thirteen years, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.240 the fact that this transition has gone as smoothly and 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.440 seamlessly as possible. I've said it before, I think Brian 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.440 Goodacus just looks like he belongs in the job. I 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.720 think that's a credit to Ted Thompson, how he set 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.960 the table and how he ran things. It's also a 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.440 credit to Mark Murphy and and Mike McCarthy and everybody 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.640 involved at the top of football that really, as much 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.720 as as big a change as this is, this is 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.200 still very much business as usual in Green Bay here 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.560 at the combine. You know, when you talk about Ted 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.240 Thompson and his legacy, and I've seen this happen before, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.400 it's gonna do nothing now. Those in the inner circle 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.320 who really know the business, like you said a moment ago, West, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.400 his legacy is enormous. But to the Packer nation and 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:06.040 the football the NFL nation beyond that, of course, anybody 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:12.320 in Ted's role takes more than his fair share of criticism. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.640 I mean, he didn't draft the right guy, he didn't 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.840 sign enough free agent. That's just the way it is. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.120 And I can go back, because I watched it up 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.720 close and personal. I can go back to Ron Wolf, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.000 the Hall of Famer Ron Wolf, that Ron Okay, when 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.920 he was actually on the job, and keep this in mind, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.200 just him goes on. When he was actually on the job, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.000 he got criticized all the time, all the time. I mean, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.960 people picked apart his decisions, his moves, all that good stuff, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.920 and and he was a Hall of Fame caliber GM 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.400 He officially became one a couple of summers ago, but 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.480 he was always operating that caliber, and yet he got 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.840 more than his fair share of criticism. Now we've seen 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.840 the same thing with Ted Thompson. And we've seen despite 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.840 the fact that the Packers went to the playoffs eight 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.520 years in a row, that they went to several ENFCY 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.840 championship games in the NFL that is the Final four, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.280 and that they've won a Super Bowl championship. Despite all 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:17.000 those things the Green Bay Packers accomplished under Ted Thompson's leadership, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.560 he still got his share of criticism. However, as time 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.800 goes on, there will there will come a time when people, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.320 and it won't be in the two distant future, talk 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.840 about Ted Thompson in a golden era of Green Bay 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.439 Packer football. I mean, you can see it coming, and 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.480 they're gonna talk about whenever a situation and it will 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.600 happen that a decision will go south. I mean, when 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.639 you're betting on people, it's a tough bat. There will 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.280 be a situation and people will start quoting Chapter in verse, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.560 something Ted Thompson did in a similar situation that worked 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.720 out just fine, and a very good point about a 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:58.959 seamless transition. And I thought something that spoke volumes in 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:04.159 that regard was the Packers hosted a little lunch for 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:09.400 the local writers, uh and part of that lunch was 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.600 being able to talk in an informal setting with head 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:18.080 coach Mike McCarthy and Packers GM Brian Goodacunst. And those 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.320 two guys were sitting there. And it's not that Ted 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.920 and Mike didn't have a comfort level. Of course they did. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.320 This thing worked and worked real well for a long time. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.240 But I had never seen the GM and the head 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.959 coaches in that kind of setting, sitting side by side 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:39.840 fielding questions, and you talk about the transition. There was 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:45.240 just a a comfort level that you couldn't pretend. I 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.640 mean that that couldn't be faked. There was just a 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.960 real solid comfort level. And as you said, Mike, god 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.200 goes back to Mark Murphy's called Ted Thompson, the whole culture, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.560 Brian Goodacunst, Mike McCarthy, the whole culture is in the 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.240 right place, because that's when those things happen. Yeah, it's 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.600 definitely genuine. I agree with you, Larry, with that we've 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.520 got to get to a breakback with more on Packers 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:16.720 Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.080 the NFL scouting combine Larry and Mike and West and guys. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.400 A lot of prospects have come through here over this 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.720 last week and through the weekend while we've been here, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.159 Packers related or not. Is there any one guy that 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.119 just really jumps out of you, that intrigues you for 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.560 any one reason or another. Well, I really like these 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.359 lengthy edge rushers because they give you that elephant type look, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.359 and that's something I think is still gonna be really 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.000 prevalent in this defense under Mike Petton, and for that reason. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.160 Sam Hubbard is the guy that I've kind of pinpointed 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.720 so far. Comes from a good program at Ohio State. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.159 I love his size at six five. That just seems 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.639 to be the prototype for being able to do a 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.560 lot of different things with these guys. But you look 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.879 at Art and Key two, he's six six. I mean, obviously, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.600 the one that jumps off the page for everybody is 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.920 Marcus Davenport. You know on the height that he brings 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.840 to the table. Uh, so many different things you can 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.320 do with him, whether you rushed him off the edge, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.879 three point stands, you know, going off the two point stands. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.760 So many different you know, options with those guys. But 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.960 Hubbard is a guy I think with his pedigree, how 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.919 productive he was I think it was seven sacks. Is 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.040 his last season with Ohio State. You know, potentially you 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.879 know where he's gonna be in Day two or maybe 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.959 day three. Could be a middle round option if they 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.840 don't take one right off the bat. Yeah, one guy 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.040 I'm really interested in, and it really has nothing to 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.920 do with the Packers necessarily, but it's a Shack Griffin, 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:32.000 the linebacker from Central Florida. Now, his twin brother, Shakill, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.520 was drafted by the Seattle Seahawks last year. And Shack 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.200 has uh he's missing basically the lower part of one 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.359 of his arms, and you wonder, okay, how in the 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.119