WEBVTT - Episode 19: Adaptive Fitting 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.240 The guys from PING. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.600 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.480 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.680 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.200 Welcome back to the PING Proving Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.400 That's Marty Jerts and Marty. We've got a special guest. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.560 We've been having some special guests lately. This is always 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.959 a bonus. Paul Wood, the VP of Engineering, is here 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.680 to talk about what I would say is one of 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.760 the coolest subjects we have hit on. Marty. I know 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.520 this is a big thing that PING has been involved 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.839 if adaptive fitting and just trying to fit every golfer 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.280 in the world. And Paul, I was reading through the 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.000 different types of adaptive fittings that PING offers and I 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.320 can only imagine this is a list that continually gets updated. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.240 Players in wheelchairs, assist of cards, amputee stroke survivors, seniors, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.600 blind golfers, little people, and even in one case, the 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.240 tallest person in Britain. Paul, I'm gonna start with you, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.280 how did you build that list? At and how often 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.280 is that list updated to expand the offerings that the 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:04.920 company has? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.200 Great question, Great question. The answer, Shane is one by one. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.800 I mean, so how this started was getting questions from 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.920 our customer service team, Hey, can we help someone who's 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.720 a seated golfer. We don't really have any guidelines on 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.240 how to fit this guy. So that's kind of one 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.480 of our resident innovation guys. They would send that call 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.000 down to me and I would say, oh, I'll try 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.400 and figure it out. And I'm not the designer that 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.039 Mardi ever was. I'm not a particularly mechanical person, but 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.399 I would go find who can help me help this 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.600 person and then we would okay, great, now we know 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.280 how to fit this guy. And the next one would 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.840 come up, and the next one will come up, and 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.080 it's just been a really fun project to try to 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.360 build up and you nailed it from the start, like, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.880 how do we fit anybody on the planet if you 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.800 want to play golf? We love the game. We think 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.800 it's a great game and there's no reason why almost 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.400 anyone can't play. And that's been the philosophy. So like 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.160 one of the very very first people we fit in 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.920 I think it was two thousand and six. Two thousand 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.840 and seven, Marty, I think, remember this too. I get 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.320 an email from our customer service team and they it's 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.800 a guy called Jeff Lewis. He lives in an Arizona 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.200 and I remember it distinctly because it's like a three 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.240 line email. He said, Hey, I my name is Jeff. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.920 I used to play golf and then I've had this 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.280 illness and I'm a quadrupe. I'm patina. I don't have 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.440 any arms and I don't have any legs, and I 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.440 would like to play golf again. Can you help me? 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.160 And I was like, I have no idea, how are 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.280 you going to grip the club? Can you come in 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.160 and see us and we'll try to figure it out. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.760 And so a week later he comes in and we 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.079 get a bunch of our engineers and interns and we 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.679 brainstorm and we figure out how to get this guy 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.680 gripping a golf club. And that's how It's been a 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.360 lot of trial and error and things that have gone 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.359 terribly wrong, and then things that go a bit right 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.400 the next time, and Jeff's still playing now fifteen years later. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.440 He won his local competition a couple of years ago 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.600 and got accused of being a sandbagger, which was the. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:05.320 Best thing, good thing to be accused of, Marty. Marty, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.320 you and I have talked so much on this podcast 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.600 about fitting golfers to the clubs that fit who they 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.040 are as a golfer. This is taking that to an 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.720 amazing level. What has it been like to see adaptive 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.840 fitting become a thing that Peeing not just as involved in, 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.840 but kind of leads the category in for the company 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.800 and for the golfers that you guys are meeting and fitting. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.120 Yeah, I mean, I think it's all the individual stories 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.320 like Jeff that Paul talked about have made such a 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.240 huge difference to us, and I love what Paul has 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.360 helped lead us down this path that you know, one 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.880 by one we figure out how to fit and build 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.600 very unique product for a certain type of adaptive needs. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.640 And then you know, we've. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:58.160 Built up this fitting kit, which is tools that we 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.720 have at a select number of accounts around the country 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.880 so that more and more folks can get access to 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.280 that because not everyone could come here and do all 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.960 that hands on experience here at the proving ground. So 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.080 that's been very fun, I think to learn to rethink 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.560 what the fitting process looks like as well. And you know, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.000 I think Paul describes it very well that when you're 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.920 fitting an adaptive golfer, you're really doing things in reverse. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.440 You're figuring out, Like Paul said with Jeff, how is 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.159 the golfer going to grip the club? That's the first 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.560 thing you do, and normally in our fitting process you 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.640 get everything dialed in okay, you know, then the grip 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.400 is the last thing you do, right, So it's flipping 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.840 that in reverse, and that's been very healthy for us 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.640 as engineers to be able to think differently. Like Paul 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.200 talked about. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.440 Paul, I know this is something you're very passionate about, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.280 and I know it's been a big part of your 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.680 last few years. This would be easy to just say 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.760 no to. I mean, you get an email and you're 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.120 thinking about the time and the effort and the building process. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.080 It'd be very easy to go. Now, unfortunately we don't 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.400 offer this. How did you go about making this a 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:08.200 priority of pain? 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.240 It's been a real slow burn, you know. I mentioned 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.320 I think two thousand and six, two thousand and seven 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.880 doing the first couple of bits and pieces, and the 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.679 way we made it work in the first few years 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.480 was because it was five percent of my time. You know, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.719 it's not a huge amount of my time. But when 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.120 someone when someone calls in, I could okay, yeah, I 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:30.760 can work with you. I've got a little bit of time. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.640 We'll figure it out. And as Marty said, we created 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.880 that fitting bag that covers ninety nine percent of cases. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.640 You know, someone who's needs a very long club, a 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.960 very short club, or they're playing from a chair where 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.760 they need a very flat club. We had those options, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.240 but it was little little bits. You know, if you 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.360 just work on something just you know, a couple of 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.360 hours a week over ten years, it starts that up. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.160 And we've been very lucky. We're a family company. The 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.919 Solheim family have always said to me, go for it, Like, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.720 if you want to work on this and you've got 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.560 as long as you're getting everything else to hunt like, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.640 you go for it. But just in the last few years, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:13.320 we've started to see more momentum and more people realizing, yeah, okay, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.040 I can play golf in a seated position, I can 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.600 swing one handed, I can play with these exotic paddles. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.320 That helped me group a club when I didn't think 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.640 I could group a club and suddenly, now the demand 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.560 has grown and now we make it work. We have 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.839 a full time adaptive fitter called Brian, and it's amazing. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.760 It's a full time job for someone to keep up 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.800 with the demand we've created. And that was that's just 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.040 great to see because I think, you know, the latest 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.320 stat I saw was the sixty million people in America 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.400 who live with a disability of some kind of one 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.640 in five people in America. And golf is an amazing sport, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.600 you know, because you can take your time, we can 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.680 adapt the clubs to you. There's a lot of things 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.400 going for it in terms if you can play from 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.159 a seated position like a lot of sports you just 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.880 couldn't do that, So it lends itself well to we 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.400 can figure this out. We just have to show people. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.200 You just have to you know, look, you can play 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.719 this game with a sixty five inch driver, which is 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.120 super cool to see and an amazing skill. So that's 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.040 how it's been, you know a little and often, and 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:14.840 now we have a full time fiddo. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.400 It's great, Marty. You've mentioned the fitting process, Paul said, 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.760 you know, ninety nine percent of cases are kind of 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.440 handled with this bag or fitting that you guys have. Now, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.400 can you walk me through what that entails, what that 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.280 looks like? Because I was reading through the website, you 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.400 guys have mentioned paddles and long drivers, short drivers. What 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.880 does what does an adaptive fitting kit look like? On 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:38.840 y'all side of things? 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.800 I think again, maybe starting with the different grip designs 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.600 first and then expanding on what exactly the bag looks like, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.840 and then maybe paul a few a few good examples 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.840 of fun builds we've done with that over the years. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.400 Yeah, that sounds great, so so I'm sure I'll miss 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.520 a couple of things, but broadly speaking, the idea is 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.400 we have a bag that's kind of an add on pack. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.760 So someone's already paid fitter and they have the basic tools, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.600 they have the kind of nine degree head, they have 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.960 the standard length, you know, regular flex stiff legs, so 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.120 we're trying to add in the extra things that would 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.200 help and so on the grip side, you know, often 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.360 oversized grips can be very helpful if someone has a 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.200 weak grip or they're swing in one handed, go into 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.360 something light and big can be good. We've actually used 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.400 Poto groups, so we you know, in the Rules of Golf, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.440 a grip has to be symmetrical, but if you have 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.560 a medical need, you can kind of go outside that 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.480 a little bit. So we could put a PP sixty 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.280 pot of grip on a full swing club, and we've 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.640 done that many times. We have these paddles, the sort 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.840 of very big paddle that can actually go right next 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.600 to someone's armpit and they can use that to kind 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.200 of grip the club and swing around their body, which is, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.520 you know, very bespoked, but it works for golfers who 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.680 have very short limbs and maybe are struggling to grip 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.000 the club. Elsewhere we have very long and very short chefs, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.400 so just expanding our normal range. You know, a normal 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.560 fitting bag might have plus an inch and a half 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.040 to minus an inch. We have plus twelve inches to 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.400 minus fifteen inches. That kind of thing, and similar with 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.559 things like li angele, where often in a fitting you're 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.760 dialing in a li angele by one or two degrees. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.000 In an adaptive thing, you might be dialing in the 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.079 li angele plus eight degrees or minus eight degrees. So 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.520 a lot of that, you know, and going very light, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.640 a lot of lightweight stuff. So we'll do things like 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.160 we'll take ahead and we'll take the back weight out completely. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.199 You know, it's not optimizing the head for moment of inertia, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.679 but it's sure optimizing the clubhead if you're swinging one handred. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.440 So that's a flavor of what's in the bag. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.679 And some cool stories that you've had in terms of 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.319 fitting over the years for certain people with needs. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.600 Yeah, let me I'll give you a couple of examples. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.200 I've got too many to mention. But Andreas Brandenburger's a player, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.920 came to us with a condition called folk amelia that 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.000 he was born with where his arms are not fully formed, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.680 and so he has shorter arms that end before the 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.160 elbow and a couple of fingers on each arm, and 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.120 so that for him he needed something very very long 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.160 and some way to grip the club. And he was 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.680 actually the inventor of the paddel I mentioned. I'm not 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.200 the mechanical guy. He basically did the hard work of 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.079 imagining what that would need to look like for him 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.560 to swing, and we helped him realize that. And his 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.320 set his job is sixty six inches long with this 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.000 huge panel all the way down to his potter. I 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:26.079 think he is fifty eight inches long and it's amazing. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.200 The thing that sticks with me that he said was 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.360 it's one of the few things in his life that 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.160 adapted to him. He spent his whole life adapting to 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.040 the world. You know, the world was not built with 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.959 him in mind in terms of how ergonomics are. This 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.360 is one of the few things that was adapted to him, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.280 which is what we're trying to do in custom fitting 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.679 for everyone, right We're trying to fit the golf club 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.920 to you, not fit you to the golf club. So 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.800 he's just a great example of that. We've had some 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.640 real fun with, say partially cited golfers, where we've people 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.800 who can just about see a line of a club, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:02.839 but not enough to be able to see is that 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.640 a seven iron or an eight iron. So we've taken 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.760 clubs and like painted the whole head a particular color, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.040 and I think they look amazing. The set of g 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.800 irons where the seven iron is bright blue, the eight 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.320 iron is green, the nine iron is yellow. Simple stuff 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.320 didn't change the performance, but now for a mostly blind golfer, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.160 they can look in the bag and see exactly what 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.920 they've got. We've done and we did a set recently 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.160 for a shorter statue golfer. I think he's between four 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.240 and five feet tall, and everything in his bag is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.640 between five and ten inches short of our standard. It's 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.760 not that difficult to build. You just have to really 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.800 know what you're doing in terms of how do you 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.320 build up the grip. You know a lot of wraps 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.880 of wraps of tape under the grip and being careful 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.280 with weight and things like that, and that's where we 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.560 can leverage our engineering knowledge. It's fun for us because 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.760 it's a great engineering challenge as well as being just 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.680 a really fun thing to help people play the best. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.880 Paul, I can only assume that this has to be 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.000 the most rewarding part of your job and your time 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.199 at paying getting to see people that come to you 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.560 and say things like, you know, you guys have adapted 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.319 golf clubs to me. You know, as you were speaking 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.440 of you know somebody that's had to live a life 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.880 of always having to adapt themselves elsewhere. How has that 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.560 been like for you personally and for your team to 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.200 get to see people come to you and go, I 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.880 want to play golf, even though I don't look or 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.680 or feel like you know, a golfer that comes to 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.280 paying every day. What's that been like? 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.839 It's amazing And if you talk to any of our 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.280 club fitters. Part of why it is such a rewarding 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.160 job as people come in the door hitting it okay 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.839 and they leave hitting it better and whatever that means. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.680 If you're a talk player, hitting it better might be 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.640 zero point one strokes, game better, right. If you're an 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.360 average gopher, it might be game twenty yards on your drive. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.480 If you're an adaptive gover, you might be starting off 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.600 with I can't make contact with a golf ball and 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.520 you leave hitting it one hundred and fifty yards. It's amazing, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.760 you know. And I remember distinctly. We work with a 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.440 lot of military organizations and there's one in the UK 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.720 called Battleback, and we were sponsoring Battleback and they're people 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.280 who have been injured in service. So they're active service people. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.840 They've got injured, they might have lost some limbs, but 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.320 these are big, strong, athletic people who are now not 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.240 able to do what they want to do and they're 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.160 not able to play sport the way they used to. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.040 And so I showed up at a fitting day for 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.600 this with our director of marketing and he shares with 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.200 me or I've never done a club fitting ever. I said, 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.000 don't worry, it'll be fine. Just stick with me. And 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.920 we've got a couple of guys who are both double 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.440 leg amputees and they cannot make contact with the ball. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.120 You know, they're in their twenties, they're fit, they're strong, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.680 and they're frustrating because they don't know what it's like 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.280 to try to play sport on prosthetic legs. And so 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.439 we helped figure out, okay, what's the disconnect here, and 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.920 in their case, it was this feeling that I'm going 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.040 to fall forward. If you're on prosthetic legs, you kind 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.560 of need to be stable. You don't want to feel 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.920 like you're going to fall over. So all we did 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.360 was lengthen the clubs, which normally you know as a 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.040 risky thing to do in a club fitting, to go 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.719 very long in your ions. We put these guys in 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.480 two inch long irons, and suddenly they could swing around 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.720 their prosthetic legs instead of feeling like they were going 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.560 to fall forward, and then nailing shots down in the 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.120 ferry and they're having long drive competitions with each other 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.040 and suddenly the competitive spirit is flowing and they're just like, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.480 this is what we want to do. I want to 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.960 kick his can, I say ass on a podcast. I 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.320 want to kick his ass on the court. And that's 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.400 all it was, right. They wanted that competitive and it's 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.000 so cool to see he went from hitting it zero 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.480 yards to two hundred yards and all I did was 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.200 put a slightly longer golf club in his hands, you know. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.080 So for me, it's great to share that with the 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.200 rest of the team. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:49.120 Well, how much of in your experiences have been you know, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.040 catering the equipment versus with this example, you're helping figure 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.800 out the technique. How much is helping them figure out 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:00.000 what exact technique could they use? And is that something 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.120 thing you know that Brian and our team have actively 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.920 done helped trying to figure out you know, if we 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.000 transpose it to a regular club fitting world, it's that 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.680 marriage of fitting and teaching, right, but maybe there's a 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.960 little bit more priority on the teaching side, or so 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.280 here's some ideas to try. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.160 Yeah, and I think you know, the essence of a 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.800 good club that is, in my opinion, is the big 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.920 part of it is asking good questions. Right, is the 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.680 person in front of me, what are they trying to 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.560 do what's their pain point, why are they what's stopping 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.840 them playing a better golf. This is kind of the 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.560 same thing on steroids of Okay, what do we need 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.080 to do for you to be comfortable hitting the golf 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.640 you mentioned kind of doing the fitting backwards and doing 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.520 some of the things that are normally at the end 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.960 of the fitting, like grip of length, doing them first. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.840 It's because it's like, how do we get you swinging comfortably? 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 And once you're swinging comfortably, then we can dial in 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.960 other things. So yeah, I'd say it's maybe a bit 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.360 less technique and more like ergonomics is not quite the 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.080 right word, but you know what I mean. It's it's 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.280 asking the questions of what's stopping you being at a 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.960 swing freely. But it comes back to and it's just 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.040 the same for you and me and our daily life here, 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.880 my Marty, that asking good questions is eighty percent of 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:12.280 the job. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:13.640 Yeah, Seane. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.400 One thing that came to mind when Paul was talking 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.280 about Andreas and working really working on innovating with him 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.360 on the paddle design was the use and value of 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.840 three D printing. I mean, this is really the ultimate 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.000 example of being able to leverage three D printed parts 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.800 because with Andreas, I remember we catted up in a 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.120 three we did a three D design of the paddle. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.720 Then I remember looking at our three D printer and 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.440 seeing all these designs pop out that they could snap 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.560 together and the rip fastens in there. So that was 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.440 a lot of fun. Paul, what are some other, like, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.480 you know, fun designs we've done, or attachment methods or 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.240 things that have been a little more outside the box. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.920 Yeah, that's great question. I think that the paddle is 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.200 a great example of you know, you're making it one 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.200 of one prototype and now we found that actually the 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.119 paddle works for a few more players, andres is coming 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.919 in next month or in a couple of months to 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.320 try to redesign it. It takes a weight out and optimize it, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.960 which is cool to be at the optimization side. I 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.840 think some of the attachments of like how do you 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:15.959 if you're building a very long club right now, one 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:17.479 of the things we're working on is how do you 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.439 It's very hard to transport a sixty six inch long club, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.760 so how do we disassemble that club? You know in 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.560 a way that it still feels solid when you put 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.960 it together? So working on some screw attachments, like a 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.359 pool queue to take a club apart and be able 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:36.119 to transport it. We've done some stuff, working initially with 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.760 Jeff who was the dupline pt. I mentioned finding a 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.200 way to actually get a club to screw directly into 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.439 his prosthetic, but then have a quick release mechanism. So 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.240 we made this spring. I think you probably remember it 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.000 was an intern that worked on that. It's a great 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.240 little project for a summer intern. It's a spring mechanism 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.760 and once the club is in, the spring holds it 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.160 solid and he can swing. But to take that club 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.720 out you just have to push it twisted and it 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.560 comes out and you put a different club in it. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.080 We've used that for a couple of other players in 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.239 different ways, and then we're thinking about, well could that 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.399 inspire some things, you know, regular product line, and you know, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.879 I think some of the stuff on our justable length 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.080 potters have kind of taken a bit of inspiration from 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.919 some of the adaptive So I think there's a good 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.320 chance in futures and more of these adaptive things will 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.320 end up in regular clubs. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.840 Marty, you mentioned three D printing. Yeah, I was I 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.600 was just going to ask you, I just am so 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.560 interested in the three D printing process in terms of 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.960 golf clubs. How has three D printing changed your world 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.919 over the last decade or so, just in terms of 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.239 seeing a product in hand and actually being able to 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.359 use what you guys are kind of thinking up in 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:46.760 your brain or maybe even on a computer. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.800 Yeah, Paul and I have a lot of experience with 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.679 three D printing, and you know, believe it or not, 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.679 we had a three D printer app being when I 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.960 started so way twenty years ago. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.719