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Speaker 1: The guys from PING.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot I

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Speaker 1: kind of want.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the PING Proving Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 1: That's Marty Jerts and Marty. We've got a special guest.

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Speaker 1: We've been having some special guests lately. This is always

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Speaker 1: a bonus. Paul Wood, the VP of Engineering, is here

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Speaker 1: to talk about what I would say is one of

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Speaker 1: the coolest subjects we have hit on. Marty. I know

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Speaker 1: this is a big thing that PING has been involved

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Speaker 1: if adaptive fitting and just trying to fit every golfer

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Speaker 1: in the world. And Paul, I was reading through the

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Speaker 1: different types of adaptive fittings that PING offers and I

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Speaker 1: can only imagine this is a list that continually gets updated.

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Speaker 1: Players in wheelchairs, assist of cards, amputee stroke survivors, seniors,

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Speaker 1: blind golfers, little people, and even in one case, the

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Speaker 1: tallest person in Britain. Paul, I'm gonna start with you,

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Speaker 1: how did you build that list? At and how often

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Speaker 1: is that list updated to expand the offerings that the

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Speaker 1: company has?

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Speaker 2: Great question, Great question. The answer, Shane is one by one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so how this started was getting questions from

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Speaker 2: our customer service team, Hey, can we help someone who's

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Speaker 2: a seated golfer. We don't really have any guidelines on

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Speaker 2: how to fit this guy. So that's kind of one

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Speaker 2: of our resident innovation guys. They would send that call

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Speaker 2: down to me and I would say, oh, I'll try

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Speaker 2: and figure it out. And I'm not the designer that

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Speaker 2: Mardi ever was. I'm not a particularly mechanical person, but

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Speaker 2: I would go find who can help me help this

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Speaker 2: person and then we would okay, great, now we know

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Speaker 2: how to fit this guy. And the next one would

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Speaker 2: come up, and the next one will come up, and

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Speaker 2: it's just been a really fun project to try to

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Speaker 2: build up and you nailed it from the start, like,

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Speaker 2: how do we fit anybody on the planet if you

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Speaker 2: want to play golf? We love the game. We think

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Speaker 2: it's a great game and there's no reason why almost

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Speaker 2: anyone can't play. And that's been the philosophy. So like

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Speaker 2: one of the very very first people we fit in

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Speaker 2: I think it was two thousand and six. Two thousand

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Speaker 2: and seven, Marty, I think, remember this too. I get

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Speaker 2: an email from our customer service team and they it's

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Speaker 2: and I remember it distinctly because it's like a three

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Speaker 2: I used to play golf and then I've had this

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I have no idea, how are

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Speaker 2: And so a week later he comes in and we

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Speaker 1: Best thing, good thing to be accused of, Marty. Marty,

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Speaker 1: and for the golfers that you guys are meeting and fitting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's all the individual stories

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Speaker 1: Paul, I know this is something you're very passionate about,

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Speaker 2: It's been a real slow burn, you know. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. And as Marty said, we created

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Speaker 2: that fitting bag that covers ninety nine percent of cases.

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Speaker 2: You know, someone who's needs a very long club, a

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Speaker 1: It's great, Marty. You've mentioned the fitting process, Paul said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds great, so so I'm sure I'll miss

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Speaker 1: And some cool stories that you've had in terms of

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Speaker 3: that's open up the door even even even more, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of another.

435
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Speaker 4: Degree of freedom. So to speak.

436
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Speaker 3: So we've got long history with it, We've been able

437
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Speaker 3: to use in a lot of different ways. I think that,

438
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Speaker 3: you know, one of the main things is just to

439
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Speaker 3: be able to do those one off things very very

440
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Speaker 3: quickly and accelerate that design, that iteration process.

441
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Speaker 1: I just find it so interesting that this has, you know,

442
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Speaker 1: the evolution of just simply designing the golf clubs has

443
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Speaker 1: gone through this many steps. I mean, you talk about,

444
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Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago having this at your disposal,

445
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Speaker 1: but now being able to do it in so many

446
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: different ways as quickly as you can. You think about

447
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: what it's going to look like ten years from now,

448
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: where you're going to hit print and it's going to

449
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: be out in you know, thirty seconds. I mean, it

450
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Speaker 1: can only it's only going to get quicker, Paul, for

451
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Speaker 1: you guys in this space and adapt of I mean,

452
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that the three D printing. When

453
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Speaker 1: you have a customer come your way that is in

454
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Speaker 1: need of something you guys haven't attacked yet, having that

455
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Speaker 1: as an option makes your job all the easier.

456
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Speaker 2: It's a great tool to have in the two bocks.

457
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Speaker 2: Like Martie said, it's it's speed, it's if you're making

458
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Speaker 2: one or ten of something, it's an amazing way to

459
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Speaker 2: do it. The dimensional accuracy has got so much better,

460
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Speaker 2: you know. And we have a whole machine shop here too,

461
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: and can turn around prototypes cutting metal really quickly. So

462
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Speaker 2: the more options you have, the more the more the

463
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Speaker 2: team can be creative.

464
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Speaker 3: Marty, you got anything I think we've I've seen in

465
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Speaker 3: the last couple of years, a lot of investment from

466
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Speaker 3: different organizations. Can you give a little bit of insight

467
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Speaker 3: into some of the big adaptive tournaments that are taking

468
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Speaker 3: place different organizations. That's kind of fueled the popularity we've seen,

469
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Speaker 3: you know, I think pretty explosive growth in the participation

470
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Speaker 3: even lately in some of the big events that that

471
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Speaker 3: you and Brian have been attending.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been great. There's been there's been tournaments around

473
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Speaker 2: for a long time, and I remember going to a

474
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Speaker 2: tournament in Europe in twenty ten. There was a big

475
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Speaker 2: sort of cross disability tournament. There's the British Open at

476
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Speaker 2: the time, the British Disabled Open, I think it was

477
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Speaker 2: the name. But just in the last two years, like

478
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Speaker 2: you said that, we sponsored a tournament called the US

479
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Speaker 2: Disabled Golf Championship which has really grown was this year

480
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Speaker 2: is sponsored by the PGA of America and they hosted

481
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Speaker 2: it over in Ports of Lucy and there were about

482
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Speaker 2: one hundred competitors and some really good players and really

483
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Speaker 2: good mix. That's been going through few years. The USGA's

484
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Speaker 2: got involved. They have the Adaptive Open now and I

485
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Speaker 2: think at least a few people who are watching or

486
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Speaker 2: listening to this podcast probably saw there were some highlights

487
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Speaker 2: on the Golf Channel, which was great to see on

488
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Speaker 2: TV some of these really good players. And then on

489
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Speaker 2: the European Tour or the DP World Tour, they've had

490
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Speaker 2: a couple of events. They've got a little mini tour

491
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Speaker 2: where they play alongside the DP World Tour main event,

492
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Speaker 2: and they'll have like twelve to twenty Adaptive athletes who

493
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Speaker 2: are playing their competition on the same course at the

494
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Speaker 2: same time, and it just gives visibility to the events.

495
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Speaker 2: And some of these athletes are so good. I mean,

496
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Speaker 2: we're our first Adaptive brand Ambassador staff player Kwan Pastigo,

497
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Speaker 2: who's a young Spanish guy. He's scratch player. You know,

498
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Speaker 2: he's won a couple of those events they're on, you know,

499
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Speaker 2: TV Quoite a bit in Europe and he does the

500
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Speaker 2: whole thing swinging on one leg and it's amazing to

501
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Speaker 2: watch together three hundred yard drives on one leg. I'm

502
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Speaker 2: quite jealous, to be honest. I think it's grown along.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, paul I. I had Alex FORI on the Get

504
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: a Grip podcast a few weeks ago, Recappy and the

505
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: US Adaptive Open and listening to the conversation, and the

506
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Speaker 1: one thing that Alex was really pushing. And I think

507
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Speaker 1: the hope for so many people in this space, or

508
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: that they're interested in this space, is getting these tournaments

509
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Speaker 1: full time on television, you know, getting a chance to

510
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Speaker 1: be able to watch the US Adaptive Open. I know

511
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Speaker 1: it's in its second iteration this year, and there were

512
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Speaker 1: highlights on the Golf Channel, But I think the hope

513
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Speaker 1: for golf fans out there is this eventually will be

514
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Speaker 1: on television where you could watch, you know, the last

515
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Speaker 1: couple of rounds on TV.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean there's a very common phrase, right, you

518
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: can see it, you compete it. So having representation on

519
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: the top of the game, having the best players in

520
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: the world in these events beyond TV is a big

521
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: deal because if you see someone like you who's breaking

522
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Speaker 2: part you think, well, then I could get out and play.

523
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Speaker 2: And Steve, who's one of the Steve winter As a

524
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Speaker 2: wheelchair golfer, Who's the first guy I talked to on

525
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: this whole project back in two thousand and six. He said,

526
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Speaker 2: when it boils down with it, all I want is

527
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: to be out to suffer golf the same way you

528
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Speaker 2: suffer golf. I want to be just as annoyed missing

529
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Speaker 2: a three book on as you. Is that so much

530
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Speaker 2: to ask?

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Speaker 1: I love that we're all just golfers at heart, right,

532
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean everybody, no matter what walk of life you're in.

533
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Speaker 1: You want to get frustrated, You want to hit the

534
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Speaker 1: shot every now and again that brings you back.

535
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Speaker 2: That's it, Paul.

536
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Speaker 1: If someone's listening to this podcast and they're interested in

537
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Speaker 1: getting involved in golf, or maybe there's someone that has

538
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Speaker 1: a physical disability that they've never really thought that there

539
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: were golf clubs made for them, how can they go

540
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Speaker 1: about getting fit or learning about the fitting process with

541
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Speaker 1: people at ping.

542
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Speaker 2: On pink dot com. On a website, there's a fitting section,

543
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Speaker 2: and in the fitting section, there's an adaptive fitting section

544
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Speaker 2: that has some examples of what we can do and

545
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: so you know, you can send us a message through

546
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: that through we'll contact form and it'll get to Brian,

547
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: our adaptive fitting coordinator. With myself certainly, if anyone wants

548
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Speaker 2: to send me a note on social media, it's it's

549
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Speaker 2: Poor Wood seventy nine on Twitter or x or wherever

550
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Speaker 2: we are these days. On these things, I would love

551
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Speaker 2: to chat to people, but you know, through the website's

552
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: probably the easiest. And then you know, if you're in

553
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: the States, there's a whole bunch of organizations, Like I said,

554
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: the US Disabled Golf Association, there's the one Armed Golf Associations,

555
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: the Seated Golfers Association. So just doing a bit of

556
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Speaker 2: a Google search, you can kind of a couple kinds

557
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Speaker 2: of great organizations, probably locally your area.

558
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Speaker 3: All add on there too. You could also go to

559
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Speaker 3: our find a Fitter tool on ping dot com and

560
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: filter by our accounts that have our adaptive fitting bag,

561
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Speaker 3: so you might be able to find one of our

562
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Speaker 3: Ping accounts very close to you, as we have a

563
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Speaker 3: you know a good mix of those spread throughout the country.

564
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Speaker 3: There's another option.

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Speaker 2: That's a great, great point. There's about a dozen accounts

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Speaker 2: that I have the equipment of that of certified as

567
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Speaker 2: our adaptive accounts. But I would also say just go

568
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Speaker 2: to your local account. Ye, And we have a we

569
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Speaker 2: have a loan of bag that we can send to

570
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Speaker 2: any of our accounts if they have an interest in

571
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Speaker 2: doing a fitting, they don't have the right tools, we

572
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: can send the tools to help any of our accounts

573
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Speaker 2: do a fitting.

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Speaker 1: Paul, what's the seventy nine on the end of your

575
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Speaker 1: Twitter handle? Is that like your low score? Or what

576
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Speaker 1: are we talking about here? What's what was this that?

577
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Speaker 1: Were you the seventy ninth? Paul would like, what's what's.

578
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sadly my birth year that kind of shows my

579
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Speaker 2: age a little, Okay, I preferred to me my average

580
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Speaker 2: gold school.

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Speaker 1: But never mind, you know, I mean I I have

582
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Speaker 1: I have seen people throw the fifty nine up there

583
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Speaker 1: before when they when they've been lucky enough to break sixty.

584
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Speaker 1: But I like the idea of seventy nine on there. Paul.

585
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Speaker 1: It's so it's so wild to think, you know, you

586
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: you talk about the first email and you know, getting

587
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Speaker 1: a chance to chat with people that now obviously are

588
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Speaker 1: involved in golf and now having a fitter or a

589
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Speaker 1: person at ping that's sole job. Is this how busy

590
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Speaker 1: is Brian? Like, how often is Brian going about fittings

591
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Speaker 1: on a week to week basis? You know?

592
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Speaker 2: Funnily enough, I asked him that yesterday because when we

593
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Speaker 2: got permission to bring him down to our area, there

594
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: was a bit of you know, is this going to

595
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Speaker 2: be a full time job. We'll call it fifty to

596
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: fifty you could do adaptive fitting and some other stuff.

597
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Speaker 2: And I asked him, how busy are you? He said,

598
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Speaker 2: it's ninety He's going to events, he's doing fittings here,

599
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: he's setting up fittings that you know at our accounts.

600
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Speaker 2: He's working on special one offs. We're supporting an amputee

601
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: conference where it's actually someone outside of being who's who's

602
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: invented a way to attach a golf club to to

603
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Speaker 2: someone's prosthetic for someone who's a double arm amputee, and

604
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: we're supporting that. He's doing all kinds of things. It's wonderful,

605
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's a great example of I think we're

606
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: at that point where momentum is. You know, people have

607
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: seen I could do this, and I want to. I

608
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: want to come and get the best equipment I can.

609
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: I want to get out there and beat my friends.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Paul, can you tell the story about the fella from

612
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Speaker 1: England that was seven foot eight and got fit at Pink.

613
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Speaker 1: I love reading about that.

614
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Speaker 2: It's really fun. So this was Britain's tallest man, and

615
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: you know, so it's an adaptive fitting because he's he's

616
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: literally off our chart. So I remember our team kind

617
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: of said, hey, can you give him advice? You know,

618
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Speaker 2: I wasn't able to get over there for the fitting,

619
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Speaker 2: but they I said, well, okay, at least get his

620
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: heightened wrist the floor and let's see when his hand

621
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: size and you know, the basics. Let's see where we are.

622
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: And he was. He was off our color code chart.

623
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Speaker 2: He was too tall and his wrist was to floor

624
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: with so we had to kind of go back and go, okay,

625
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: if we were to extend the chart, what would that

626
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: look like? So we made basically made a bigger version

627
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: of our color coach chart to kind of go, okay,

628
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: what's a decent length recommendation and color code recommendation. So

629
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: we now have this expanded version of our color code

630
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: chart that he inspired, and so we were able to

631
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: build some clubs ahead of time. And when you go

632
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: really long, you have to watch out for things getting

633
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: too heavy, So we did a few things just try

634
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: to lighten things up when you're when you're playing a

635
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: four inch over length club, you've got to take some

636
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: weight out of that head. And that was the biggest challenge.

637
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: And we built him a belly putter for him was

638
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: a normal putter. So it's a forty one inch you

639
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: know now would be an omelock. That was his normal

640
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: length putter. It's fun project, Marty.

641
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Speaker 1: You know, single lenked irons have become a popular thing

642
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: in the sport. I mean, I think Bryson is a

643
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: big part of that. And then obviously a lot of

644
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: companies have kind of leaned into the idea of an

645
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: entire bag being the same lengthd iron. When you have

646
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: someone come through the fitting process that is extremely tall

647
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: and you've kind of got to mess around with weight,

648
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that helps you, guys when you

649
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: want to dive into something like a single length iron

650
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Speaker 1: project or trying to fit even you know, a professional

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Speaker 1: golfer for something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, when single length irons kind

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Speaker 3: of became a thing in the industry for the everyday golfer.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this sounds like a good idea.

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Speaker 3: We kind of went and I went to Paul and said, well,

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Speaker 3: we've done those quite a bit for blonde golfers, because

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Speaker 3: you don't want to have to adjust to where the

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Speaker 3: ground is, the point is, and how that change on

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Speaker 3: all your clubs. So Paul was like, well, we've actually

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Speaker 3: done this quite a bit. It works really good for

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Speaker 3: blind golfer. I was like, oh, yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: And then, you know, Paul and I were just talking

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Speaker 3: earlier today about you know, some things we've learned through

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Speaker 3: adaptive that have kind of given us a little clues

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Speaker 3: or hints. It's forced us to be more creative, to

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Speaker 3: think differently. That has inspired some things that have made

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Speaker 3: their way into our mainline product.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think adjustable length putters was another really good example

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Speaker 3: where you know that it's mutually beneficial on the adaptive

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Speaker 3: side to your everyday golfer. So this has been a

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Speaker 3: very positive sum initiative for us. That's allowed us to

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Speaker 3: stress our creativity and you know, help a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks along the way. And also, I think your everyday

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Speaker 3: golfer is benefiting from the fact that we're being challenged

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Speaker 3: by this to push the envelope in different ways.

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Speaker 1: Marty, I still have an adjustable putter, has to be

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old Scottsdale putter that when I'm really struggling, man,

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Speaker 1: I go back to it. It's in the bag in

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Speaker 1: my golf closet right now. And when I'm missing everything,

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Speaker 1: that's my bad boy, I go to and I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still have a little tool and uh, and it

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Speaker 1: occasionally gets itself back in the bag.

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Speaker 4: Got a little weight in that call it right there.

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Speaker 4: That's moving that thing up and down.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's been super helpful on the adaptive side. We

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Speaker 3: use that all the time.

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Speaker 4: The ball. It's so true.

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Speaker 2: That's like the perfect fitting butter, right, And we've built

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Speaker 2: some with that exact thing on wedges so we can

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Speaker 2: dial in wedgling foot players. It's yeah, it's super helpful

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Speaker 2: for the doubted project.

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Speaker 1: Well, Paul, very very interesting subject. We really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean just it's it's I'd say

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Speaker 1: it's encouraging. It's exciting to hear about these stories. You know,

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Speaker 1: we love throwing the turm around grow the game, and

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Speaker 1: it's been you know, it's been worn out over the

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Speaker 1: last few years. This is truly growing the love of

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Speaker 1: the game because it's allowing people to get involved than

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Speaker 1: a sport when you know sport is something they might

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Speaker 1: not have believed was going to be in their cards

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Speaker 1: going forward. So kudos to you and the crew. Very

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Speaker 1: very cool to hear these stories. And if you could,

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Speaker 1: just Marty, if you could remind people where they could

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Speaker 1: go to kind of read stories or check out where

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Speaker 1: they might be able to get fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely go to Ping dot com, go up into

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Speaker 3: the fitting section. You'll be able to read some really

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Speaker 3: cool story. You'll be able to read all about our

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Speaker 3: adaptive program, some really cool stories. And then go to

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Speaker 3: that find a fit tool and filter by Adaptive fitting

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Speaker 3: bag and you'll be able to find one of those

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Speaker 3: accounts in your area. And or as Paul said, that

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Speaker 3: loaner program is awesome. You go to any Ping account

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Speaker 3: and express interest in this and we will help get

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Speaker 3: that bag to the account if you can't come to

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Speaker 3: us here in Phoenix and be able to provide you

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Speaker 3: with with those tools. So a lot of fun, as

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Speaker 3: Paul said, a lot of ways to get a hold

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Speaker 3: of us and get access to this program.

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Speaker 1: So cool, Marty, appreciate the time. Paul, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. This is the Ping Proving Grounds podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm