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Speaker 1: home energy assessments. Today we're joined by Chad Writer from

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. You know people do one round mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: Chad laughs at those people. He does four round mock drafts. Chad,

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Speaker 1: it's good to talk to you, man. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I don't laugh at anybody, man, I

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Speaker 1: get laughed at. That's how this process works. Chad, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is with NFL dot Com. To go check

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Speaker 1: out all his work there. He does an excellent job.

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Speaker 1: He works with Lance doing all those draft prospect profiles

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Speaker 1: on the website. Lance is great. We're trying to find

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Speaker 1: time in his eight job schedule to get him on

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Speaker 1: at some point before the draft, which is always tough,

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Speaker 1: but we have Chad's uh great work in research. On

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Speaker 1: all these guys to talk about the guys now. So Chad,

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Speaker 1: from your perspective, where are you right now? Are you

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Speaker 1: still watching late round guys? Are you, you know, confirming

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Speaker 1: information bringing everything together? Where are you in your process?

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Speaker 1: About just under four weeks away from the start of

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Speaker 1: this draft. Well, now that we have the combined data

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Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, most everybody play, we're getting in

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Speaker 1: will stand out there. So if somebody really stands out,

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Speaker 1: I'll go watch them if I haven't seen them already,

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Speaker 1: whether I had them as a late round pick or not,

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Speaker 1: and then come to the conclusion. Because not everybody who

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Speaker 1: So it's that time of year where you're kind of

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Speaker 1: not anticipating because that's what I work on. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have DJ does a great job, you know, talking

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Speaker 1: to the league, Glances a great job. Bucky's out there,

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Speaker 1: and my deal is trying to find the things that

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Speaker 1: people don't expect to happen, because every year we get

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Speaker 1: That's great. And by the way, we're gonna dig a

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Speaker 1: a voluminous knowledge of all these draft prospects. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: First year. Chatty is in your fur round mock. I

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Speaker 1: think you've picked a player that I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: consider it a surprise, but I think it's one giant

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Speaker 1: need for another linebacker that can play three downs for sure?

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Speaker 1: You mock at twenty seven in your form round mock

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Speaker 1: There's there's not a super deep center group this year,

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Speaker 1: for sure. Um. All right, so when you were sitting

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Speaker 1: faces and the slot. He's going to be an effective

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Speaker 1: receivers in round two for a second. We'll see if

429
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 1: they get to fifty seven, they or wherever the Giants pick.

430
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: I have to get the exact numb or I'm not

431
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: sure if they get there, but let's just assuming they do.

432
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: Put Racie Rice, Cedric Tillman, and I'm a big at

433
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 1: Perry guy, so you might not have him there. I'm

434
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 1: putting him into that conversation and you can yell at

435
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 1: me for that if you want. He put those three

436
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: guys again. I'm looking for an outside receiver, right, yeah,

437
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 1: compare contrast. What do you think of those three? Well?

438
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: I like Rice a lot. He deserves to be a

439
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 1: top forty forty five pick in my opinion, So I

440
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: think he's to be honest. When I watch him, I

441
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of Justin Jefferson when I saw him

442
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: at LSU. He's not gonna maybe go as high, but

443
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: really the guy got targeted one hundred and seventy times

444
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,719
Speaker 1: this year. That's a serious workload for a wide receiver.

445
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: And he was He was really good and I think

446
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 1: he can do a bit of everything. So mid second

447
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: round for him, if he's available to them. Great. Cedric

448
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: Tillman's a guy that's really underrated, underappreciated for a short

449
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: area of quickness at two hundred and fifteen pounds, and

450
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that maybe slips into that

451
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 1: later second round that shouldn't. Maybe somebody trades up for him.

452
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: One of those kind of guys so the Giants could

453
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: land him as an outside guy. Fantastic. I mean he

454
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: you watch him versus Keiley Ringo. You know he leaves

455
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: Ringo in the dusts a lot on comeback rounds. So

456
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: he's really a guy to watch in the second round

457
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: if he can't, if he can't go higher than that

458
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: at Perry in theory, should be a great receiver. I

459
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: didn't see it on a down boy down basis this year.

460
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: I think he was very inconsistent and I think he's

461
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: one of those guys that either is a guy that

462
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: draft Twitter loves and doesn't ever amount to much or

463
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: he just said he puts it all together when he

464
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: gets to the league and becomes the guy that everybody

465
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: thinks he can and then I think he could be

466
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: anywhere from like Gabrielle Davis, you know kind of guy,

467
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: to you know, to something better where he's making place

468
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: because he's got some great he's got some really nice

469
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: body control at times, he's got the striding speed downfield.

470
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: There's some things to like about him. But I wanted

471
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: to like him more this year than what I saw. So,

472
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, third round, fourth round somewhere, that's that's where

473
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: I That's where I see him going. It's funny. I

474
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: haven't gotten the sense that he is much love out

475
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: there on draft Twitter. Maybe I'm following the wrong guys,

476
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: but I agree. I think the best his best trait

477
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: is the body control and ball tracking on downfield throws,

478
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: Like there are a couple of throws that I watched

479
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: where he's you know, going down looking for the ball

480
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: on there inside shoulder, has to turn to his outside shoulder.

481
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: He still makes the catch, which is really difficult for

482
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, receivers to do, and I think he was

483
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: pretty good at that as Yeah, he flashes that for sure,

484
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of when you get it and

485
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: when you don't. And you know, and again, like a

486
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: guy like Marquez Velis scantling right, gets picked a little

487
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: bit later, becomes a deep threat who does exactly what

488
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: you're saying. And when MVS got his hands right in

489
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: the NFL, he became what he you know, the potential

490
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: was there. So Perry really does have that potential to

491
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: do that. Now, I'm totally with you on that. All right,

492
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: So the Giants you do have him taking a wide

493
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: receiver around three. Jaden Reid out of Michigan State. Now

494
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can play inside, on outside, on outside. Yeah,

495
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I talked him with the Senior Bowl. I think he

496
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: kind of said to me that, you know, it seems

497
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: like teams are really thinking about me more inside in

498
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: the pros. But he's five eleven eighty. You know, he's

499
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: a guy I think can play outside. So we just

500
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: talked about a bunch of second round wide receivers besides Reid,

501
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: who also was kind of Mick in the mix for

502
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: you there as end the third round, start a fourth

503
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: round type of targets and wide out. Well, you're getting

504
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: into again, some guys that are a little more slats.

505
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott from Cincinnati, for example, you know, very quick guy,

506
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of the Day three version of Jalen Hyatt maybe

507
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: from Tennessee that that lean very quick feet, you know,

508
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: but more inconsistent, maybe not as asked, is what people

509
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be. Um, so that he's

510
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: kind of coming off a disappointing combine, you know, in

511
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: that sense, Um, I have Perry in that you know,

512
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: discussion in the third round, Mingo Boutet. We've talked about

513
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: a lot. Frankly, this is not an outstanding year for receivers.

514
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: It's just not It's just very average, and so it's

515
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how many receivers actually

516
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: get picked on Day three. Another guy that's very interesting

517
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: that the Giants might have some interesting is Michael Wilson

518
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: from Stanford UM outside receiver, big bodied receiver. You know. Again,

519
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: consistency wasn't always there. He fought through some injuries but

520
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: the game, but he's in the game. He's very tough,

521
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: and he runs very good routes, and I think he

522
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: will be a really solid NFL receiver number two guy

523
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: that you can not only you know, use deep but

524
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: also on slants. Can you can get through the second

525
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: level on digs? I mean, he can do a lot

526
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: of different things. So he's just one of these third,

527
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: fourth round guys that it's gonna stick around and just

528
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: you know, look, look, Darius Slayton has become something with

529
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: the Giants, right, and I think Perry could even be

530
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: a little better than that. And so I think that

531
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: might be a good fit for them, you know, in

532
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: that in that third round area. Another guy's Parker Washington

533
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: from Penn State. Well, I couldn't even get on my

534
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: mock draft last time. There's just too many guys. So

535
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: he's another guy who's going to be in that conversation. Now,

536
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: whether the Giants want a guy that size, I don't know,

537
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: but he's another guy that's going to be in that

538
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: three round, three four kind of conversation. But more of

539
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: a slot guy, more of a tough slot kind of player. Yeah,

540
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: very thick, good run after the cast, breaks some tackles.

541
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, smaller guy for sure. He's kind of like

542
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: a like a destitute man's Deebo Samuel type of guy. Yeah,

543
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: he's a running back. He looks like a running back

544
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: in a receiver's body, and you know, Golden Tate. Some

545
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: people might say, oh, he's kind of a Golden Tate.

546
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, maybe maybe, but you know, I have

547
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: a little bit lower than that. But again, when you're

548
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: talking third, fourth round guys, it's not as clear, you know.

549
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: And honestly, the Giants, if they don't want to slide,

550
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: if they think on Dale's going to be back, you know,

551
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: if they think Shepherd's going to be able to contribute something,

552
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: maybe they just wait and try to find another Slaton

553
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: or somebody like that rounds five, six seven and to

554
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: be that taller guy that is able to get downfield

555
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, and I think Landers right from Arkansas

556
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those guys. And I'm trying

557
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: to remember who I had one other guy. He ran

558
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: really well at the combine. I didn't like him quite

559
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: as much as Landers, and the names escaping me. I'll

560
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: look it up after I ask you this next question.

561
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: Fourth round, we haven't talked about safeties yet. You have

562
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: the Giants taking Jay year Brown out of Penn State,

563
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: really good ball production in college. Talk about him, and

564
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: then just generally, what do you think of the safety

565
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: class here, Chad? Because the Giants did lose Julian Love,

566
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: so they don't have an incumbent starter next to Davan McKinney.

567
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: They have Dane Belton who they drafted last year, who

568
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: they like. They have Jason Pennock who came over from

569
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: the Jets, who played a lot last year. Who knows

570
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: that they bring back veterans like you know, Landon Collins

571
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: and Tony Jefferson. But what do you think generally of

572
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: this safety class and Brown who gave in the fourth round,

573
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: what's kind of the sweet spot for you for drafted

574
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: a safety? Safety class is not great this year. There

575
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: might be a couple that go in the second round,

576
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: maybe three that go in the second round, but you know,

577
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: by the fourth round, I don't. I think people have

578
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: pushed Brown up a little bit higher than they should

579
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: have because they think he's kind of like another Juan Brisker,

580
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: and I don't quite see that. But I think in

581
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: terms of a guy, look, I knew they drafted Belton

582
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: last year, but more bodies of that position are needed,

583
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: and Brown is going to come in. He's gonna play

584
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: special teams for you. He's a really strong hitter, and

585
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: I think that kind of value in the fourth, I thought, well,

586
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: maybe they'll just continue to build depth at that position

587
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: and see what they can find instead of bringing back,

588
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, veterans like you mentioned, really try to get

589
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: some more young talent at that position. So I like,

590
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Brown's a tough guys. I like him, but I just

591
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: don't think he's at the brisker level. And then the

592
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: position overall, I don't know, there's gonna be a handful

593
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: drafted on day two, but I don't think it's just

594
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: you're You're better off waiting for that position, um, rather

595
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: than jumping the gun on. And I think, yeah, I'm

596
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: with you. And Trey Palmer and Wicks were two of

597
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: the other guys. Yeah, Trey Palmer is uh, you know,

598
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: he's only six. I mean he's not super tall, but

599
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: he's that fast downfield guy. Um. And so you know

600
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: some of the other guys that that I've just brought

601
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: up here at Bryce Ford Wheaton from West Virginia is

602
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: going to be a Day three guy Landers like you mentioned,

603
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: andre Yeshiva's right at a parents Din another guy it's

604
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: out of yeah, out of Prince up. And then Grant

605
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Dubois from Charlotte as another guy who's going to be

606
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: that Day three guy who's really it's got some talent

607
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: to him, So there's there's gonna be some options for

608
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: him on day three. There author Davia Hudginson out there too,

609
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Not really, Yeah, absolutely, I think he's I think he's

610
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: more of a possession guy right than you to speed guy.

611
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: But he's certainly a guy that can play inside and out. Yeah,

612
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: And it's not like he doesn't make plays down field either,

613
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: But I think he's he's in that same in that

614
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: same mid round area. Who's gonna couldn't turn out to

615
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: be a pretty good receiver. What's the sweet spot for

616
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: running backs here, Chad? Because you know sae Quon Barkley

617
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: one of your contract and now on the tag, you know,

618
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: the Giants can always try to, you know, future proof

619
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, Yeah, you think round fours.

620
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking at your fourth Mokier and I'm

621
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: seeing and I'm not surprised because this is a great

622
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: running back class. There are some really good running backs

623
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: that you have going in the fourth round that I

624
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: could see being real contributors in the NFL. Yeah, I

625
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: think that's what it's become for running backs. You know,

626
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe a handfuler picked on day two and then it

627
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: really in day three is when they really come off

628
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: the board. I had, I had a last second change

629
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: to me, so I took isy a ban of handa

630
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: off the fourth round and then he goes out today

631
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: runs like in the fourth threees on this pro day.

632
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: So I really got a force m Endo. But the

633
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: thing is, it's so hard to project running backs to

634
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: go in the top four rounds because teams use so

635
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: many of them. They already have a lot of veterans

636
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: on their roster and so you don't necessarily know if

637
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: they're going to think that that's the position that they're

638
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: going to use one of their premium picks on. So

639
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to project these guys. But yes, fourth round,

640
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna there's gonna a ton of talent. There's gonna

641
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: be a ton of talent in the fifth round. They'll

642
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: probably be a hand not a handful, but two or

643
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: three guys. They're gonna be really strong contributors next year.

644
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: So I think third fourth round UM is really so

645
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: I think the giants if depending on what they're looking for. UM,

646
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, Matt Breed is a pretty good number two

647
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: but if you're depending on what you're looking for, right, So,

648
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: if you're looking for more speed, you got Condre Miller

649
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: from TCU be a pretty good pick. If you're looking

650
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: for more you know, a stronger guy, maybe a Dwayne

651
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: McBride from from UAB might be in that Chris Rodriguez

652
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: from Kentucky who may not end up going until the

653
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: sixth round, but he's gonna come in there and pound people.

654
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's grind their man. Who. Yeah, so it's

655
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna there's a lot of really good talent Day

656
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: three talent at that position, so it's hard for me

657
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: to put a bunch of guys in round two or three.

658
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: Teams know that, and a lot of people think it's

659
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: because running backs are not valued, but honestly, I think

660
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: it's because there are so many good running backs. It's

661
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: more of a supplying demand. Right. If there's ten guys

662
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: that you know can play in the league, why would

663
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: you use a second round pick on one when you

664
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: can get one in the fourth. You really have to

665
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: be special, special, special to get to be a top

666
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: fifty pick at running back. Yeah, I mean, just to

667
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: give you an example, and the fans and idea. You

668
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: have Chase Brown going in round four, right, Yeah, the

669
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: guy was like, what a thirteen hundred, fifteen hundred yard

670
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: back in the Big ten this year? He can catch,

671
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: he's five ten, he's over two hundreds to almos two

672
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: hundred and ten pounds, Like if this was ten years ago,

673
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: that guy's probably a second round pick, right exactly, And

674
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: and somebody may like him enough to take him in

675
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: the third. I mean it's it's really, you know, one

676
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: of those situations where a team may just have a

677
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: particular fit. Now, Chase isn't the most agile guy. He's

678
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: not going to be, you know, causing people to to

679
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: He's not going to elude a lot of pro defenders.

680
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: He's steadied them, very steady, but he's staying. I mean,

681
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: that's the guy that look Tyler Lgier out of BYU

682
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: ran for a thousand yards this year. Fifth round pick.

683
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: That's what you get with a guy like Brown and

684
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: some of these other guys that are come in there.

685
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: You give them fifteen carries a game, they're going to

686
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: carry the mail for you. And even if they might

687
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: there not be John Robinson in terms of talent, but

688
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the job done for you. So that's

689
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: day three is probably where I'd look if I were

690
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: the Giants. A couple more here for Chad, real quick, Chad,

691
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: we haven't you know? I was torn the Giant Trader

692
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: for Darren Waller. I got excited because, you know, Daniel Jones,

693
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: I have someone good to throw too. But then I'm

694
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: sitting here away. Hell, they I have Waller. They obviously

695
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: they you know last year they drafted a tight end

696
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: who was a really good this year with with with Bellinger. Absolutely,

697
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: and I love this tight ends class so much, and

698
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: now I can't really talk about it. It kind of

699
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: sucks because I love these guys. I mean, I think

700
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: you could have four or five top fifty picks, four

701
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: top forty picks, yeah, I mean, and you can get

702
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: a good one going all the way into rounds four

703
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: or five. Just talk about this class for me, a

704
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: tight end and how deep does it go? Yeah, well

705
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: there could be twenty song drafted and that doesn't happen.

706
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: So it's really a strong class. And I think even

707
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: with while our Malagier, I think they still take one

708
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: day three. I mean, why wouldn't you unless they think

709
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence Cagre is going to be you know, great or something.

710
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: But but I think you've got guys like Michael Ezeki

711
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: from UCLA who nobody really talks about, but you'd him

712
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: in the fifth, you know, sixth, seventh round athletic guy,

713
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: catch the ball, really tough runner. Some of these guys

714
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: are gonna play for a long time even though they're

715
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, fifth, sixth round, seventh round picks. UM. So

716
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: I think the giants would be you know, would would

717
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: be looking at one of those guys a little bit

718
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: later too, because look, Waller's gotten injured before, um and

719
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: and you need depth at that position, especially if you

720
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: want Daniel Jones to really be his most effective. You

721
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: want you want three good tight ends. Every pro offense

722
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: should have good three good tight ends. And so you know,

723
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt if they took a later pick on one.

724
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: All right, couple general jaff questions. Chat. If you have

725
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: another couple of minutes um guy that you love that

726
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: other people in your opinion aren't high enough on, you

727
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: can take it at any level of the draft. Oh boy,

728
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: um hmm, Well, I don't know. I mean, to be honest,

729
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: I only marginally look at other people's stuff. Because I

730
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: don't want I don't I don't want it to influence

731
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: too much what I'm thinking. I see some stuff, but um,

732
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it's I don't want

733
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: to overdo it. Okay, So I've played. I've loved Cody

734
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: Mock since day one this year, and I think I'm

735
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: maybe the only person that has put him in mock

736
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: drafts the whole time in round one, and maybe that's

737
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a mistake, but I love that guy. Um, I want

738
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: that guy on my team. I would give him a

739
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: higher grade than I gave Trevor Trevor Penning coming out

740
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: last year. Um, he could play anywhere. He's tough, he's athletic,

741
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: really really good player. And so Cody's been in that

742
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: He's going to continue to be in the first round

743
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: of my mock drafts going forward. And I just love

744
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: that kid. I think he's he's so good and of

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: course he's engaging great attitude and the teeth and the

746
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: red hair and all that, but on the field, he's

747
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: really tough. He plays with an edge, but he doesn't

748
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: go over the line. He knows when the whistle stops,

749
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: he stops. So I love that guy, and uh, you know.

750
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: I hope he gets picked in the first round. I

751
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: just think he's a really good player. Is there a

752
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: guy that you watched a bunch where you like, you

753
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: think you like him, but then you can't. You're on

754
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: the fence a bat him. Where should I put him?

755
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: I can't quite figure him out. Anyone that's giving you

756
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: trouble in this draft class? Yeah, all of them, honestly,

757
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: because look what you and I think of these players

758
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what teams think of these players. Zero, right,

759
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: So we know that, and here's here's here's a great example.

760
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson front TASU. There are times where he looks fantastic,

761
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: But I can't get the thought of guys like Denzel

762
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: Mims out of my mind when I watch Quentin Johnson,

763
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: because you see the big plays in the make and

764
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: you're not sure if that's always going to be there,

765
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: and you think you know a guy there. The ultimate

766
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: guy of this is Jonathan Baldwin, who was at Pittsburgh

767
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs picked this was many. This is how

768
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I've been doing this too. But you look at these

769
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: guys that you just don't know if it's all gonna

770
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: be there, and if it is excellent. You've got something.

771
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: But Quentin Johnson's a guy that I don't know that

772
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I'll ever put in the first round on my mock

773
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: unless I get real information. But I think he's one

774
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: of these guys that a lot of people do but

775
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I see a lot of

776
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims and Josh Doctson who ended up, you know,

777
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: in the first round out of TCU and it didn't

778
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: really work out very well. So he's just one of

779
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: those guys that you get that bias in your head

780
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: and it's hard to shake. You have to trust your

781
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: gut in the situations, and I've got a prodigious gut,

782
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: so I try to pay attention to him, but know

783
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's wrong and sometimes you're right. But he's

784
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: one of the guys that, you know, I'm just not

785
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: quite sure about. Yeah, you know, big twelve wide receivers.

786
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: It's a it's not a great list over the past. Look,

787
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: and I'll take Marvin Min's all day now. He's a

788
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: good player for the combine. I put him at fifty

789
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: eight to the Cowboys, and I think a lot of

790
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: people were not interested in him until third or fourth round.

791
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: But that dude is tough for his side, So I'll

792
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: take that guy any day of the week. Yeah, I'm

793
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: trying to get more like those bigger perimeters, Yeah for sure. Yeah,

794
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: and so look, but Johnson also makes some fantastic catches.

795
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: And you talk about body control as we dub some

796
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: of these guys, he shows that. So but you know,

797
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: we all have our and and you know it's funny

798
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I root for every single one of these players. You

799
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: have to. If I do a mock draft and I

800
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: don't have a guy as high as some other people like, oh,

801
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: you don't like that guy, I'm like, no, it's just

802
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: that I value some other players more, and you try

803
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: to make it fit what teams want. And look, good

804
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: players last until the third round. It happens every year,

805
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: or even the fourth round. So it's not like if

806
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: I put a guy in the second round, I don't

807
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a good player. There's only

808
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: so much room for a guy in every round, so

809
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, just do the best we can, right, Chad.

810
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: You can't like more than one player at a position.

811
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: You either you either hate them or you like one

812
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: and then you hate the other ones. That's how it works. Yeah, no,

813
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: shades of great man. That's absolutely. By the way, they

814
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: thing about Quinn Johnson that makes him weird. You know,

815
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: these six three tall wide receivers out of vertical threats,

816
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: usually their big strength isn't run after the catch. Yet

817
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: somehow he's really good at that. It's it's it's he's

818
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: a really weird combination. But he's not great at contested

819
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: catches at sixty three, but he's great after the catch,

820
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: and he's skinny. It's this, he's a weird combination of trade.

821
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: You know what. He's Christian Watson. We just saw this

822
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: last year. Christian Watson's very similar and he went early

823
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: round two. So that's another reason that I've kind of

824
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: put him in that category. It's like, okay, that's I

825
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: can see a team even trading up to get him

826
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: early in round two like the Packers did last year.

827
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: So very that's the kind of the comp I'm running with, really,

828
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: is that Christian Watson comp who, by the way, it

829
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: could turn out to be a pretty good NFL right receiver. Right,

830
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: So you know, well you have to speak all right,

831
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: and this is kind of what where I'll end with you,

832
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: And I think you brought this up to right, It's

833
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: just hard for us to figure this because I think

834
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the ways, Chad, what I've learned doing

835
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: this over a bunch of years is what a lot

836
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: of what ultimately determines whether or not these players turn

837
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: flashes into consistent production is information that we generally as

838
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: people that cover this from the outside, don't have access to. Right,

839
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: whether it's the medical stuff, which is you know, in

840
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: this case maybe not as important, but more the psychological testing.

841
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: You know, how good of a learner are they, How

842
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: hard are they willing to work? Do they really love it?

843
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: You know, are they willing to put all the extra

844
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: hours in time to become not just students of the game,

845
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: but better physically at what they're doing? And I think

846
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: this back, for lack of a better word, background information

847
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: and character information is a lot of what determines whether

848
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: or not these guys are going to become the players

849
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: that we envision them to become. And that's why teams

850
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: have scouts, that's why they have private investigators, and I

851
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: think that is such a big factor here. That's more

852
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: than just the tape, which is what we're working after,

853
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: we're working off of for the most part that's going

854
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: to determine which one of these guys truly end up

855
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: being great, which is why, frankly, this whole damn think

856
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: such a crapshoot. Yeah, but I think yes, But when

857
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: you watch a guy on film, if he doesn't work hard,

858
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: it shows up on the film. Now that's fair, okay.

859
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and if if his mind is not where

860
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be at a given moment, it shows up,

861
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: so you can see it a little bit. But the

862
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: fact is is that none of us were the same

863
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: people when we're twenty one versus when we're twenty seven.

864
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: Especially you have to get a check for like three

865
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: million dollars exactly, So it's all projection. I want to

866
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: say it's a crapshoot, but it's all projection. You are

867
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what this guy is going to

868
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: look like in three years, four years, and I think

869
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: that's very difficult. And I think the information can go

870
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: both ways. I think there can be information overload for

871
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: teams where you're not paying enough attention to what's on

872
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: the field and you're worried about things that are off field,

873
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: and some of those things are worth worrying about. But

874
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: in some sense you'll see teams. The Chiefs are a

875
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: perfect example. They took Tyreek Hill when a lot of

876
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: teams may not want to take him. They overlooked, you know,

877
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: they overlook size requirements that maybe some other teams have.

878
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why no other team wanted Creed Humphrey

879
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: until late in the second round, but that was ridiculous

880
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: to me. He should have been a first round pick.

881
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: By the way. You watch Creed Humphrey at the Senior

882
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Bowl that year, and he won every rep like he

883
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent. I've never seen a performance like

884
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: that from an offensive line there at the Senior Bowl.

885
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. And so teams like that worry less

886
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: about arm length and things like that and focus on

887
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: the player. And if they have off field concerns, they

888
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: don't take them off the board, but maybe they take them,

889
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, a round or two. And so I think

890
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: you can overdo that as a team too, because some

891
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: guys have Some of these guys have really rough upbringings,

892
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: and we you know, those of us lucky enough to

893
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: not have had that, I think we can overlook the

894
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: idea that they mature as they get older. They really

895
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: become great players, that become great members of the community.

896
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: So it's a balancing act and I think you can

897
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: overdo that extra information as well as on our case

898
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: not having it as much. You know, you kind of

899
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: miss some stuff, and I think, you know, we are

900
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: going to miss some stuff. But I think it goes

901
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: both ways. Now, I think that's beat all right, I'm

902
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: not gonna you get up the hook. What's happening with

903
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? Well, here here's my here's my take as

904
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: love today. Right. Uh. I think I think you've got this.

905
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: I think you've got the top three in Stroud, Bryce Young,

906
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. Um. I think Anthony Richardson is the Josh

907
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: Allen of this draft not will love us, and I

908
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: think he is going to be an outstanding player. If

909
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: that dude ends up with Shane Steichen in in Indianapolis,

910
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: you know that's that's gonna be rough for for the FC. So,

911
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: so that's I think that's where we're looking at, um

912
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Stroud and Young probably in that order, Richardson going to

913
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: the Colts, and then you've got leave us who's gonna

914
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: be He's very much at Jay Cutler to to me,

915
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: um so in that ten eleven twelve area, he could

916
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: go maybe a little bit later. If he falls through there,

917
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: I think somebody will will up and get him at

918
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: some point ten eleven twelve, maybe all the way down

919
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: to fourteen to the Patriots and then and then you've

920
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: got Hendon Hooker, who's a big question mark. Um. I

921
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: think in the end he will end up being that guy.

922
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: It's about time we have a team trade up in

923
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round for a quarterback. It's

924
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: been a while years now, so um, we had Bridgewater

925
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: and then we had Lamar and now maybe it's time

926
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: for for Hendon Hooker late the Raiders moving up to

927
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: get him. Or I think I think you're forgetting the

928
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: great Paxton Lynch right. Oh the way nobody trade up

929
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: for him. I think they just stuck it. O Denver

930
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: traded on a similar thing, right. So, so I think

931
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at, is that's my guests as

932
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: of today. Um so, uh, you know, that's where I'm

933
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: sitting at with him right now. Or he could look

934
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Geno Smith comparisons with with Hooker, So

935
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe early two something like that, somewhere in

936
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: that in that range is where I see that, and

937
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: then after that Aidan O'Connell probably in the third round, Um,

938
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: you know the Lions would be great fit for the

939
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: Lions to play behind Golf and um and Tanner McKee

940
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: from Stanford would be would be next after that, and

941
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: some guys in day three that um, you know one

942
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: of them look after Buck Purdy did what who did?

943
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: I think teams really need to pay attention to what

944
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: they're doing on round three. And if you don't have

945
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: three good quarterbacks, you gotta take one. Um Ron Wolf,

946
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: former GM of the Packers, the dar every year, if

947
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: not every year, every other year, right, you gotta always

948
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: be on your radar, because you never have enough of them.

949
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: You need three, you need three. The forty nine ers

950
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: proved that last year. You need three. So there's gonna

951
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: be some good guys on day three this year. Sadly,

952
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: in the NFC Champions Game, they actually needed four and

953
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: they did four. They did just as the follow up

954
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: that I struggle with that Tennessee offense. Man, like you

955
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: watch it and it's like this doesn't even resemble NFL football.

956
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: And even with Jalen Hyed, right, who just was you

957
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: know so much space, there's a bunch of deep rounds

958
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: to comebacks. Like I struggle with that offense sometimes figuring

959
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: out how those guys are going to translate. Well, and

960
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing you say, that's it's not an NFL offense.

961
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: But after a few weeks last year, I think we

962
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: saw more teams running stacked receivers because they saw what

963
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: Those guys they're not dumb, they watch what's going on

964
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: on center. No, that's true. Well, I think I think

965
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: some of that has already filtered in now. The difference

966
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: is the pro players, the pro defensive coordinators are going

967
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: to adjust much more quickly and you know, and you

968
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: don't have the hashes to create all that space either.

969
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: So in the end, I think a guy like Hyatt

970
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: can create after the catch enough. And I'm not saying

971
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be super great, but I think he's gonna

972
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: be a first round pick because he can do something

973
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: after the catch. He wasn't all deep balls, he wasn't

974
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: all slot phase. Um, So I think he's got enough

975
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: of that too that somebody will have interest in him.

976
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: And with Hooker is the same thing. Look is he

977
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: m Kyle Trask was a Round two guy. Hendon. Hooker

978
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: is a better player than Kyle Trask was. And you

979
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: saw when when when Trask lost his guys at the

980
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: end of the year at Florida, it just wasn't there.

981
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: And I think Hooker's got enough. Scott. I liked him

982
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: a little bit at Virginia Tach. I liked him in

983
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: his first year at Tennessee until he got hurt. So

984
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: this wasn't totally out of the blue. But look, he

985
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: can only throw to the guys where his offense is

986
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: telling him to throw it too right, and if he's

987
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: exactly he doesn't have a plus arm. He just doesn't.

988
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: He said. Okay, um, but I think he's got enough

989
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: traits that he can become a starter in the right situation. Yeah,

990
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: this is great. So I for taking you a little

991
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: bit long. Hope I didn't kill you. Yeah, it was

992
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: always great. I always love catching up with you to

993
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: combine the Senior Bowl. When I see you, enjoy the

994
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: rest of the process. You got about four weeks to go,

995
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: give or take, and then you can start all over

996
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: in the beginning of a Hi, didn't that's right, that's

997
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: when the fun starts. That's right, that's when. Then that's

998
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: when my most fun time getting to well review the

999
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: old guys that I've already seen and then get to

1000
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: know some new guys. And now with the COVID eligibility,

1001
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: You've got like four hundred guys that I'm carrying over

1002
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: from last year, so you're still seen. Yeah, it's it's

1003
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Speaker 1: it's it's great. But anyway, so yeah, that's a fun part.

1004
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Speaker 1: Anything you want to promote that you want to make

1005
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: sure people will keep an eye in with the stuff

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Speaker 1: you have coming out. Yeah. Yeah, So NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'll have some articles coming out probably at least once

1008
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Speaker 1: a week over the next a little bit, and then

1009
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Speaker 1: mock drafts. Of course, I've got another four round mock

1010
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Speaker 1: draft coming out in a couple of weeks. Then I

1011
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: got the big seven round mock draft coming out the

1012
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Speaker 1: week before the draft. So if you like mock drafts,

1013
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Speaker 1: if you like little one off articles, check me out

1014
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Speaker 1: at NFL dot com, and of course check out all

1015
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Speaker 1: the other great writers we have too. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: it's a great place to work and work with a

1017
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Speaker 1: lot of talented people. Absolutely seven rounds. God bless you, sir,

1018
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Speaker 1: May God be with you. Yeah, good stuff, man, appreciate

1019
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Speaker 1: you taken the time to talk to us. Enjoy your weekend, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the Giants Little Podcast Chad Ryder.

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