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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's Friday night and it's time for a Friday

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Speaker 2: Night special, and let me tell you it's special. Rex

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Speaker 2: Huerman is accused of being the Long Island serial killer,

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Speaker 2: and in the last days a bombshell a Gilgo Beach case.

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Speaker 2: A bombshell blows up in the courtroom as the judge

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Speaker 2: issues a ruling on using DNA evidence at the accused

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Speaker 2: serial killers trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. The

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Speaker 2: judge has ruled damning DNA evidence tying Rex Huerman to

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Speaker 2: the murders of multiple women whose remains found buried near

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Speaker 2: Gilgo Beach lined up like a cemetery, will be allowed

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Speaker 2: in trial. Repeat will be allowed in trial. This is

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Speaker 2: a major ruling. This is really the only way this

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Speaker 2: case can be proven. There are no eyewitnesses, there are

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Speaker 2: no confessions. We need that DNA to prove this case.

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Speaker 2: In a very brief court hearing, New York State Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court Justice Timothy Mazi rules the critical DNA evidence using

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Speaker 2: new DNA technology will be admissible. This is a major

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Speaker 2: blow to Hueman's defense.

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Speaker 1: What exactly do we know about the murders.

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Speaker 2: Rex Hureman, very well respected architect, now behind bars in

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Speaker 2: the deaths of many women connected in time and location.

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Speaker 1: Of them sex workers, all.

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Speaker 2: Of them daughters, mothers, sisters, girlfriends.

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Speaker 1: We've waited a long time for this day to come, for.

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Speaker 2: The Long Island serial killer to be unmasked for the

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Speaker 2: devil that he is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and serious xem one to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases

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Speaker 3: in modern American history. Centered on this lonely stretch of

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Speaker 3: sand on the south shore.

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Speaker 4: Of Long Island, New York.

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Speaker 3: Gill Go be just a small community with a big

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Speaker 3: mystery on its hands. The bodies of fifteen brutally murdered

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Speaker 3: young women, and there seems to be a pattern, many

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Speaker 3: of them under five feet tall and less than one

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Speaker 3: hundred pounds, all dumped in the surrounding dune over a

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Speaker 3: period of twenty years.

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Speaker 5: There's been some new developments in the Gilgo investigation. Last

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Speaker 5: night a little bit around a thirty PM in the

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Speaker 5: vicinity of thirty fifth and fifth Avenue in the city

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Speaker 5: members assigned to the Gilgo Beach Task Force did place

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Speaker 5: one individual under arrest.

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Speaker 6: After years of searching and fear, years of true crime

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Speaker 6: hobbyists and their theories, pres did you do it? It

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Speaker 6: turned out the suspected Gilgo Beach killer was hiding in

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Speaker 6: plain sight the whole time. Fifty nine year old Rex Huerman,

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Speaker 6: a suburban husband, father of two, and cop say, is.

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Speaker 5: A demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families.

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Speaker 5: If not for the members of this task force.

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Speaker 1: He will still be on the streets today, you darn Wright.

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Speaker 2: If not for this newly formed task force instituted by

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Speaker 2: the new elected district Attorney, this guy would still be

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Speaker 2: walking free. And I guarantee you would still be killing.

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Speaker 2: And I've got facts to support that theory. You were

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Speaker 2: just hearing our friends at Crimewatch DLA, WABC seven and

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Speaker 2: the Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison with me an

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Speaker 2: all star panel. But first I want to go to

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Speaker 2: a special guest joining us, Anthony M.

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Speaker 1: Carter.

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Speaker 2: This is the Deputy Police Commissioner in Suffolk County. Deputy

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Speaker 2: Commissioner Man, it's been a long time coming. I want

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Speaker 2: to hear your reaction to the arrest of a prominent architect,

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Speaker 2: a father husband.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of hard.

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Speaker 2: To believe, but you guys have known for some time

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Speaker 2: and keeping it on the down low what was happening,

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Speaker 2: because you had intel. This guy was watching the police's

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Speaker 2: every move. Yeah, it has.

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Speaker 7: It's been for over a year now, something that we've

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Speaker 7: been working on, working on tirelessly, and it really you know,

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Speaker 7: it all began when Commissioner Harrison took office here at

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Speaker 7: priorities was the gilgle Beach Investigation. And he had a vision,

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Speaker 7: as you know, the former chief of Detectives of the NYPD,

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Speaker 7: former chief of department, and the experience that he had.

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Speaker 7: One of the things he knew is that we needed

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Speaker 7: to get our law enforcement partners involved. And Commissioner Harrison

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Speaker 7: created this task force called it the Gigle Beach Task Force,

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Speaker 2: You know, you cut out on me right there for

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Speaker 2: a second, but I think you said the FBI and

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Speaker 2: in the past, before the Knee regime, there was a

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Speaker 2: lot of resistance to bring in the FBI. But when

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Speaker 2: you've got women dyeing and going missing and now all

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Speaker 2: these bodies turning up unsolved, Hey, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: happy for all the help I can get every single day.

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Speaker 2: So I just congratulate you and your Commissioner Harrison all

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Speaker 2: this arrest and it was a joint effort. And I

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Speaker 2: like that about you and your boss. You don't try

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Speaker 2: to hog the limelight or say it's all about you.

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Speaker 2: You really always give the credit to everyone involved.

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Speaker 1: And you know, standing by right now, Kristin Thorn.

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Speaker 2: Is with me, very well known investigative reporter to be

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Speaker 2: ABC Channel seven eyewitness news host of Hulu's new crime

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Speaker 2: show Missing Kristin.

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Speaker 1: It's great to.

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Speaker 2: Have you, and you have stood by you and I

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Speaker 2: both have plotted around there at the beach looking for clues,

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Speaker 2: trying to find answers.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe we finally got an arrest?

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Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, Kristin just in time because

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Speaker 2: this pos technical legal term was just caught on camera

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Speaker 2: at a cell phone store paying cash from what I

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Speaker 2: can tell for more burner phone minutes that's his MO.

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Speaker 2: You want to tell me this guy's out of business?

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Speaker 2: H E double Lno, he's still at it, Kristin.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, And I think that's what's really scary about

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Speaker 8: this entire situation and why law enforcement decided it was time. Look,

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Speaker 8: they wanted to have Maureen Brainerd Barnes included in this indictment,

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Speaker 8: and she is absolutely mentioned in this indictment.

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Speaker 5: Well, who whoa, whoa whoa?

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, lady, back it up. You're going warped

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Speaker 2: four before we can get there. There's so many bodies.

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Speaker 2: But you often hear of the GILG four. Correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm on, Kristin.

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Speaker 9: But you are correct.

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Speaker 2: The Gilgo four were all found in burlap bags, similarly

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Speaker 2: bound naked, having been sex assaulted, which really links them together.

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Speaker 2: Right now, This architect, this dad, this husband is charged

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Speaker 2: with six counts, three murders, three felony murder charges, three

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Speaker 2: second degree murder charges, three victims. But it's just a

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Speaker 2: matter of days, I believe, before he's charged with the fourth.

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Speaker 1: Then we got to deal with all the other dead bodies.

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Speaker 1: But you refer to a woman.

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Speaker 2: Brainerd Barnes, Marine, Brainerd Barnes, aged twenty five. He's the

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Speaker 2: prime suspect and she's number four, and then you'll go four.

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Speaker 2: Did I make that clear?

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Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, yes, And so the.

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Speaker 8: Law enforcement knew that they had to get him now

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Speaker 8: because they were worried about what he may do next.

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Speaker 8: What he was looking on his phone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, creepy dude, Christin, creepy dude.

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Speaker 2: You know, my daughter and my son, they'll see they're

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Speaker 2: just fifteen. They'll see somebody and go, Okay, that's a

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Speaker 2: creepy dude right there. Tell us Kristen about this creepy

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Speaker 2: dude going up to a woman.

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Speaker 1: In a park setting in the last.

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Speaker 2: Couple of months and completely scheving her out.

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Speaker 8: He was walking around and she was in the woods

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Speaker 8: as a nice wooded park in massapeoplead Park and she

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Speaker 8: was walking around and he, as she says, came up

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Speaker 8: behind him and was asking about her boyfriend. And you

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Speaker 8: know he's a very big man.

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Speaker 1: Four, hey what do you put him? At Anthony?

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Speaker 2: Carter, Guys i'm speaking To Anthony, carter but he is

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Speaker 2: the deputy police. COMMISSIONER i, Mean i'm acting Like i'm

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Speaker 2: sitting here having a cup of coffee with this. Guy

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Speaker 2: he's been on this from the get, go since he

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Speaker 2: came in and they formed a new task.

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Speaker 1: Force how much does this guy? Way what'd you put him?

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Speaker 1: At two? Forty, YEAH i.

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Speaker 7: Mean he's he's a very large. INDIVIDUAL i would definitely, say,

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Speaker 7: yeah right around, there around a two hundred and forty pound.

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Speaker 7: Mark very just very just an, oversized you, know very

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Speaker 7: seen that YouTube, video you, know and where he's towering

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Speaker 7: over the person that's conducting the interview with.

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Speaker 1: Him, yeah nothing like, That Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Marshall to make your first move on a lady to

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Speaker 2: try to get the date is to sneak up behind

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Speaker 2: it reminds me Of Brian coberger crime stories With Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Grace in the last days In New York State Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court justice rules DAMNING DNA evid it's tying Rex hureman

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Speaker 2: to the murders of many women whose remains were found

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Speaker 1: It these are the bodies we know. About are there other?

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Speaker 2: BODIES i would be very surprised if there were Not

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Speaker 2: Bethany marshall with ME psychoanalystidt Of Beverly hills at Doctor

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Speaker 2: bethymarshall dot. Com coburger will go up to women at

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Speaker 2: Number of course the women would run as if they

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Speaker 1: Head like this.

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Speaker 2: Guy you go up to a woman in a, park

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Speaker 2: sneak up behind her and, go, hey who's your?

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Speaker 1: BOYFRIEND i would run.

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Speaker 10: Anthy what it tells me is that he was constantly

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Speaker 10: trolling for, victims and as a part of trolling for,

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Speaker 10: victims he had this whole list of. QUESTIONS i mean

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Speaker 10: number one would, be, hey do you have a? Boyfriend

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Speaker 10: who's your? Boyfriend the reason for that is who is

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Speaker 10: he going to have to separate the woman. From does

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Speaker 10: she have? Family does she have people who's interested in?

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Speaker 10: Her and if, so it's going to make it more

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Speaker 10: difficult to kidnap sex assault. Her, secondly he's looking for

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Speaker 10: women who are quite short or petite women he can easily,

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Speaker 10: handle easily kidnap and transport from one area to. Another

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Speaker 10: and then he actually probably has many other aspects of

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Speaker 10: his victim profile that are going to come out during

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Speaker 10: the course of this, investigation especially as it pertains to

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Speaker 10: his online. Searches maybe under h, kids twinks was one

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Speaker 10: of the THINGS i, heard you, know, yes, hey, well what.

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Speaker 1: Was the last thing you?

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Speaker 2: Said?

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Speaker 1: Twinks you need to tell everybody what that. Means.

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Speaker 10: OKAY a twink is a young man who looks very,

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Speaker 10: feminine usually, underweight very, small and the old fashioned word

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Speaker 10: for them is. Twinks so that was one of his

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Speaker 10: victim profiles that he was looking for with these kinds

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Speaker 2: Men, hey, guys this includes, You Kristin, Thorn Toby, Wilson Todd,

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Speaker 2: Shipley Joe Scott, Morgan Deputy Commissioner, carter Doctor Bethany John,

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Speaker 2: ray the lawyer for the family Of Shannon. Gilbert she

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Speaker 2: may not be connected To, hureman we don't know that,

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Speaker 2: yet but it's because of her that all of these

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Speaker 2: bodies were. Found she's. Dead she was killed there On Long,

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Speaker 2: These google searches we have just learned.

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Speaker 1: About the, police of course knew about it with.

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Speaker 2: Me Todd, shipley cybercrime, expert author of Investigating internet. Crimes

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Speaker 2: you can find them at dark intail dot. Info todd

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Speaker 2: about this guy's Perverted google. Searches i'm sure you've seen, them, right.

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Speaker 12: SURE i think what's important is the fact that that

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Speaker 1: Do you know what guess perfectly.

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Speaker 2: Put but IF i were putting this to a, Jury

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Speaker 2: why Hasn't Long island serial killer been? Caught why could

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Speaker 1: KILLER i, mean who would know to ask that.

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Speaker 2: Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter kept it so secret as he should.

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Speaker 2: HAVE i didn't know about the use of burner. Phones

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Speaker 2: well somebody. Did this guy was looking up why can't

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Speaker 2: they trace his burner?

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Speaker 1: Phones?

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Speaker 12: NO i mean that's specifically what they ended up doing

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Speaker 12: look at what's. There, now what's going to be interesting

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Speaker 2: Too other, searches AND i want to go To John,

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Speaker 2: ray the family lawyer for Victim Shannon. GILBERT i know

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Speaker 2: That shannon's family has been, tortured especially when they see

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Speaker 2: need to go wash it out with. Soap this was

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Speaker 2: what is.

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Speaker 1: On His google. Searches John.

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Speaker 2: Ray Now shannon's family has to read this and only

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Speaker 2: imagine What shannon may have or the other victims put up,

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Speaker 2: with what they, endured what they lived through before they.

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Speaker 1: DIED i want to.

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Speaker 11: VOMIT i can plame, everybody DOES i think this, monster

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Speaker 11: this giant, monster WHO i characterize As Tyrannosaurus, rex his

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Speaker 11: image is now frozen in the minds of The gilbert.

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Speaker 11: Family AND i also Represent Jessica taylor's family and the

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Speaker 11: Same they have the same.

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Speaker 2: Reaction twenty year Old Jessica taylor also found there along the.

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Speaker 11: Beach go, ahead, Yeah and these families haven't this image

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Speaker 11: now that's frozen in their, mind that he is a.

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Speaker 11: Killer there's no way to be sure that he had

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Speaker 11: anything to do With Shannon gilbert at this. Point we're

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Speaker 11: looking hard at. That but as we, speak but you,

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Speaker 11: we know that she was under a threat from somebody like,

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Speaker 11: is probably more than one of.

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Speaker 4: Them but.

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Speaker 11: We're still very optimistic now and delighted That Ray tiern

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Speaker 11: finally may put together the agencies that weren't working together

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Speaker 11: we think that is a really good chance That Taranosaurus

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Speaker 11: hunter and, hunters he was a proficient. Hunter they have

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Speaker 11: tools and they take apart their, animals so he's certainly

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Speaker 11: capable of having dismembered these others that are.

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Speaker 9: There, so of.

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Speaker 2: Course and you know another, Issue Kristin thorn joining, me

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter to THE abc star Of hulu's true crime,

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Speaker 2: Show Missing. Kristin just because he ran out of burrow at, Bags,

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Speaker 2: okay that does not mean he's not connected to all

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Speaker 2: the other. Bodies And i'm telling, You, kristin there are more.

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Speaker 2: Victims there are more, victims.

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Speaker 8: NANCY i think what concerns me and what has kept

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Speaker 8: parkway On Long, Island but it's the women we haven't

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Speaker 8: i've covered in my, SHOW i had some, concerns AND

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Speaker 8: of these other women who have disappeared in The Tri state,

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Speaker 8: area WHO i believe in their family believes were victims of,

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Speaker 8: else because we haven't yet identified his, profile right we

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Speaker 9: Lie CAN i make a.

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Speaker 2: Comment about, that, Yeah, Japan BUT i need to go

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Speaker 2: To Anthony carter about what they're doing right. Now hold

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Speaker 2: on just a, Moment Deputy Commissioner, CARTER i pray To

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Speaker 2: god In heaven that this new task, force And i'm

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Speaker 2: sure you're not going to tell, me is comparing HIS

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Speaker 2: dna to every OTHER dna that's been found in let's

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Speaker 2: just say The Tri state, area because once these bodies were,

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Speaker 2: where he was seen in That chevy, avalanche WHICH i

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Speaker 2: want to ask, You Deputy. COMMISSIONER i happen to know

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Speaker 2: an avalanche part outside his, PLACE i believe a relative's.

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Speaker 2: Place an avalanche was seen at one of the victims'.

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Speaker 1: Homes let me THINK i believe it Was Amber. Costello

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Speaker 1: long story.

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Speaker 2: SHORT i can go on and on and on About,

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Speaker 2: Homes how come it took so? Long but that is

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Speaker 2: i want to know that HIS dna is being compared

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Speaker 7: Area, no and that's a great that's a great. Question

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Speaker 7: arrested this subject that the task force has you, know

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Speaker 2: To take that as a. Yes even though you're not saying,

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Speaker 2: Yes i'm taking.

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Speaker 1: It as a.

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Speaker 7: Yes you say to examine every piece of. Evidence that's, right,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of every piece of, evidence let's take a look at.

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Speaker 2: It we can talk about them that all the women,

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Speaker 2: work many of them contacted On. Craigslist they were sex.

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Speaker 2: Workers they were found dead in the same. Way physical

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Speaker 2: similarities all these four putt In burlett bags disposed of

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Speaker 2: the evidence the heart Evidents take a listen to our

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Speaker 6: Seven prosecutors say the smoking gun was a pizza. Crust

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Speaker 6: police dug Through hureman's, trash MATCHING dna from a partially

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Speaker 6: The gilgo. Victims today they Booked heureman on murder, chargers

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Speaker 6: accused in the deaths Of Melissa, barthell Me Megan, waterman

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Speaker 6: the death of a fourth, Marine Brainerd.

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Speaker 2: Barnes, okay let's talk about the HARD dna.

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Speaker 1: Evidence evidence from a.

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Speaker 2: Hair one of those hairs was found at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of one of the burlat bags that one of the

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Speaker 1: In, also, apparently and correct me If i'm, wrong jump.

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Speaker 2: On At Kirsten, thorn three victims had the defendant's wife's

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Speaker 2: hair on, them obviously a transfer from her to him

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Speaker 1: OF dna that we know.

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Speaker 2: Of then one of the victims was tied up with

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Speaker 1: That AM i missing ANY? Dna, Kristen, no that sounds,

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Speaker 8: Correct BUT i would love to talk about the wife's.

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Speaker 2: Hair, sure Because i've got a professor of forensics with

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Speaker 2: me and a for forensic consultant specializing IN dna waiting

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Speaker 2: to jump on this because this this is going to

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Speaker 2: get him in addition to all of the circumstantial. Evidence tell, Me, kristen.

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Speaker 8: Here's my, question AND i would love to hear from, You,

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Speaker 8: nancy and from your experts to, me finding the wife's

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Speaker 8: it on. Three i'm trying to, actually you, know when

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Speaker 10: How does this?

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Speaker 8: Happen how does the wife's hair end up on it each?

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Speaker 8: Time and, AGAIN i am not implying anything about. Her

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Speaker 8: anybody have any thoughts on?

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00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: THAT i got a, thought But i'll bring in the

438
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: experts a. Transfer just like.

439
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Just a few minutes, ago right before we went to,

440
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: air my co Worker sydney handed me a big stack

441
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: of papers to go through about three minutes before we,

442
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 2: started and she leaned over me with her long blonde

443
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: hair AND i. TURNED i guarantee you some piece of

444
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: hair or some something brushed up against my jacket and it's.

445
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: There. Okay you know who loves talking about. This Joe Scott.

446
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: Morgan he loves what's Your you have some quote you

447
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: always start?

448
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 10: With?

449
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Why, Okay i'll let you tell.

450
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: It Joe Scott morgan with me professor friends As Jacksonville State,

451
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: university And i've got to tell You i've been to

452
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: their crim pro building and.

453
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: Facilities that's an incredible.

454
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Program Joe, scott author Of Blood Beneath My feet and

455
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: host of a hit Series Body, bags With Joe Scott,

456
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: morgan go, Ahead no action doesn't leave the?

457
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: Trays, well, la la. La what's the rest of?

458
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: That the cards, principle every contact leaves a, trace and

459
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: it's it is a cornerstone that we work from in,

460
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: forensics and it's that axiom is over one hundred years

461
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: old and it still.

462
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: Applies tell, It Joe, scott preach. It preach, it, father

463
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: because this tie is.

464
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: Going down because of THIS. Dna and WHEN i.

465
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Think of these computer, searches at him acting out those, horrible,

466
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: horrible evil computer, searches all these ladies to hell with. Him,

467
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: NOW i got to figure out a way to prove.

468
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: It hit.

469
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: It let me give you a hellscape, here AND i

470
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: think that it exists in that. House and this is

471
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: my supposition. Here you, know we were speaking just a

472
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: moment ago about the transfer of the wife's. Hair you

473
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: know you Mentioned sydney in the. Studio what space do

474
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: you guys, share probably on a daily basis when you're

475
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: laying down sound it's in that, studio, Okay so within

476
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: that environment you kind of coexist in that. ENVIRONMENT i

477
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: am very, Curious, nancy relative to the accused where any

478
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: of these victims brought back to this.

479
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Home that's such a good, Idea Joe, scott because you

480
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Remember Joe scott many of these and jump In Anthony,

481
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Carter Deputy, commissioner And Kristen thorn because you may know

482
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: better Than Joe scott AND i many of these murders

483
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: occurred while his wife was, gone and she has very distinct.

484
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: Hair she Is, icelandic so HER dna is going to

485
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: be very.

486
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Identifiable and this is MITOCHONDRIAL, dna which comes from your mother.

487
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: Only so anybody jump in with a thought In, BETHANY

488
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: i Promise i'm circling.

489
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: Back this Is.

490
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 9: Toby first of, all the HAIR i was A freensic

491
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 9: hair examiner for a share. Time, also the average person

492
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 9: that has hair loses about one hundred hairs at a day,

493
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 9: Randomly so the hair connection on just the one pert

494
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 9: victim would be, coincident could be yelled called. Incidents on three,

495
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 9: victims it becomes more of a. Pattern but the locations

496
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 9: of the hair is because of. That if she rode

497
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 9: in the, avalanche if it was on his, clothing if

498
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 9: he took any of the victims, home all those are

499
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 9: reasonable explanations for where the hair is that THE dna

500
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 9: was done on came from because of the fact that

501
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 9: we lose hair so, easily so that, connection you, know

502
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 9: is more open to. Interpretation where you come, from it's

503
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 9: very probable because he transported, them or may have transported

504
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 9: them in the, avalanche that the hairs were on him

505
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 9: or in that vehicle and that's where the transfer. Occurred

506
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 9: or if the you, know if the fur loot bags

507
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 9: came from his, home they could have been transferred. There

508
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 9: but hair transfers are a common, thing and you know

509
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 9: there it makes it harder to interpret what's going. On

510
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 9: because of how common it.

511
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Is BUT i agree with.

512
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: You you're Hearing Toby wolves and forends that consult at

513
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: specializing IN dna erology bloodstain at No Slow forensic Dot. Com,

514
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: well he's, right of, Course Joe Scott. Morgan but three,

515
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: hairs As Kristen thorn pointed, out each one on a different.

516
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: VICTIM i want to explore your theory that these victims

517
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: may have been taken to his. HOME i, mean when

518
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: you've got three hairs on three different, victims the only

519
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: thing the defense can do now is AN aja defense

520
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: it was. PLANTED i, mean let me hear your, Theory Joe.

521
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Scott, well this.

522
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: Is one thing That i'm very encouraged by and that

523
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: thieves folks are, doing is THAT i saw these images

524
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: on the news of the, police the investigators going in

525
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: and out of that home And. NANCY i hope they

526
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: retain this place and take it down to the damn,

527
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: studs that everything that they can harvest out of that

528
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: environment from an evidentiary standpoint is to be. Acquired here's

529
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 4: one more, thing And i'll be.

530
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: QUIET i don't want you to be. QUIET i love

531
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: everything you're.

532
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: Saying it's something that really sent a chill up up my.

533
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: Spine and maybe it's, maybe maybe it's a wild goose,

534
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 4: chase but this one. VICTIM i was looking at this

535
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: charging document that's mentioned The Mari Miss Marine Brainer, barnes

536
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: and one thing that kind of sent a chill up

537
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: my spine was that this burner phone that the accused,

538
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 4: had or that he is alleged to have, had had

539
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: contacts With marine's phone sixteen Times nancy over a period

540
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: of time From july to sixth Or july the. Ninth,

541
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: okay they have her phone finally dropping off the face

542
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: for a, while and there's like a couple of days

543
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: lag in. There but then here's the chilling. Part he

544
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: apparently the perpetrator opened her phone up again and began

545
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: to check her. Messages let me ask you, Something, nancy

546
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: would you just blindly give without any kind of fighting.

547
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: Back would you give somebody the code to your cell

548
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: phone to check your? MESSAGES i, MEAN i KNOW i.

549
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: WOULDN'T i don't know about the other folks on the,

550
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: Panel but how did he get that information from her

551
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: in order to get in to her voicemail to check?

552
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 4: It if that is? True what they're a legend and

553
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: that to me is. Chilling that to me shows that

554
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: he may have been in control of that person in.

555
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: Particular about the rest of, THEM i have no.

556
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Idea, well all you've got to do is look at

557
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: His google Searches Joe scott and figure AND i can tell.

558
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: YOU i mean he looks up a hog time raping.

559
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Woman obviously he is fixated on. TORTURE i, Mean Dr Bethany,

560
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: marshall you don't see that kind Of google search every.

561
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: Day And i've looked at plenty of people's computers in their.

562
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 10: Searches you, know absolutely. Not and to frame our, discussion

563
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 10: if you think of this guy as a combination of

564
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 10: an obsessive sex addict who thrives off power and inflicting

565
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 10: pain in order to enhance his sexual, arousal his victim

566
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 10: profile is going to keep changing if he goes to

567
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 10: more and more extreme types of pornography and more different

568
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 10: types of victims in order to enhance his sexual. Arousal

569
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 10: so maybe he starts with someone with it in his own,

570
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 10: race an age. Mate then he goes to a younger,

571
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 10: person than a smaller, person than a bigger, person than a,

572
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 10: man than a, woman than a, child and SO i

573
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 10: think that the complication and why the investigation is going

574
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 10: to have to focus so much on the data and

575
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 10: the science is this guy is going to find anything

576
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 10: in order to increase his sexual, arousal and not just

577
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 10: finding different, victims but stocking, them toying with, them perhaps

578
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 10: taking them back to his. House this is not a

579
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 10: one and done kind of guy where maybe someone looks at, pornography,

580
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 10: masturbates closes the. Computer this is a guy who's going

581
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 10: to get as much sexual satisfaction out of any one

582
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 10: victim as. Possible so it's multiple assaults against one victim

583
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 10: over an extended period.

584
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: Of, time which goes back To Joe Scott morgan's theory

585
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: that some of the victims may have been taken to

586
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: the home because an extended period of time assault probably

587
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: would not take place in a. Vehicle The Chevy avalanche.

588
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: Crime stories With Nancy.

589
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: Grace this BOMBSHELL dna ruling comes after a series of

590
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: fry hearings where the state and the defense argued over

591
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: a new method of ANALYZING dna used to Link, hureman

592
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: the architect and married, father to the murders of seven.

593
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: Women it's an advanced NUCLEAR dna test carried out by

594
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: A california based, Lab Astrio, forensics and it identified hairs

595
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: on six of the seven victims as belonging To hureman's

596
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: now ex, Wife Asa, ellerup their Daughter Victoria, hueman and

597
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: another person connected to the suspected serial. Killer the defense

598
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: argued the technique should be excluded because it had never

599
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: been used In New. York the state, responded is being

600
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: used widely across our. Country maybe not here In New,

601
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: york but all across the. Country it's been used and

602
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: it is accepted by the scientific. Community of, Course huremans

603
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: sat there and gave no. REACTION i wonder if while

604
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: the defense and prosecution argue ABOUT dna evidence found on the,

605
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: bodies if he's actually thinking about the bodies and how

606
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: they got buried At Gilgo. Beach Deputy, COMMISSIONER i don't

607
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: know if you can comment on, this but can you

608
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: describe how HIS.

609
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Dna was obtained off a pizza crust during?

610
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 7: Surveillance you, know he was being observed and there was

611
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 7: an opportunity where he had discarded A i guess like

612
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 7: a small personal pizza box into a garbage in the,

613
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 7: city and our undercovers were able to retrieve that, box

614
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 7: and just to go back on a point to you,

615
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 7: know whether you know his home may have been involved

616
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 7: in the location of the. Homicides the one thing that

617
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 7: we can say is that it's not a coincidence that

618
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 7: his wife and family were away in three of the.

619
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 7: Murders and we're taking you, know LIKE i, said active.

620
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 7: Investigation we're at the. HOME i think somebody had mentioned

621
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 7: on the call here that we're taking the. House we

622
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 7: should take the, house AND i think that is the

623
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 7: plan to get every piece of evidence that we can

624
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 7: possibly get while we're inside of that home with.

625
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: Me Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter From Suffolk County, POLICE.

626
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: I had to tell you, Something Deputy.

627
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: Commissioner i'm the first one to scream when police screw

628
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: up an investigation because it hurts me as a former

629
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: prosecutor and a crime victim. Myself BUT i am so

630
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: impressed with your surveillance of, hereman your identification of. HIM

631
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: i know it's been a long time, coming but this

632
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: is a FRESH humma side task. Force this is a

633
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: whole new look because this case was ignored by prior.

634
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: Administrations you guys come in there like a barn on.

635
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Fire you find this, guy you surveil, him you really

636
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: look at the. Evidence then you catch him discarding a

637
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: pizza crust and get HIS dna which matches up to OTHER.

638
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: Dna you get his WIFE'S. Dna do we have any?

639
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: Idea can you comment on how you did? That Deputy?

640
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 7: Commissioner so the, same you, know same methodology in trying

641
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 7: to obtain abandon. Examples you, know very similar fashion where

642
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 7: we were able to obtain recycled cans from their, look you,

643
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 7: know from where they.

644
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Live so that's how you got the WIFE'S. Dna that's.

645
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: Correct, wow there's so MUCH i hardly know which way to.

646
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Go but let me understand, Something Kristin. Thorne anybody on

647
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: the panel and knows the answer to this the Way

648
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: i'm reading the affidavit and other, information was this idiot

649
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: actually traveling with a burner phone and his own private

650
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: mobile phone together Like. Kyburger you know you can see

651
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: him traveling away from the crime.

652
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: Scene did that? Happen does anybody? Know, well we know that.

653
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 8: They certainly there. Are they certainly tracked the burner phones

654
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 8: relationship and location Near Massapequa park as well as his midcount,

655
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 8: office and they called that the. Box that was the

656
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 8: point that they used to.

657
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 13: Triangulate although in that word it would be three, sides

658
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 13: but the box would be four to really you, know

659
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 13: pinpoint that his, locations where he, was where he, lives

660
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 13: where he, worked were also coordinating with the hits from

661
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 13: these burner.

662
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: Phones, okay break that down, too regular people.

663
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 12: Talk this is Todd SO i think what significance is

664
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 12: what you're, saying and what they alleged in the core

665
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 12: documents is that they found no instance where the suspect

666
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 12: was in a separate location from the other cell phones

667
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 12: when the communications occurred when he was talking to them

668
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 12: from the burner, phones and so at that significant that

669
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 12: they tied them together from Those hoteller, records that his

670
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 12: phone was there and the burner phone was. There in

671
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 12: instances outside of the, calls his, phone you, know was not.

672
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 12: There so it's pretty.

673
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: Significant, okay that is entirely significant To anthony Carter, fly police.

674
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Commissioner what do you make of that?

675
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 7: Theory, so you, KNOW i think when we talk about

676
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 7: some of the locations that we talked, about you, know

677
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 7: the burner phones versus his, phone and trying to tie

678
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 7: that all, IN i think it was you, know it

679
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 7: was challenging because we, look we're looking in an area

680
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 7: of over fifteen hundred homes that also included a portion

681
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 7: of The Massapeaker, preserve and that also then opens up

682
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 7: which are hitting those cell towers to people that may

683
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 7: or may not even live In, massapequa may or may

684
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 7: not even live IN Nasa. County SO i mean that

685
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 7: is one of the things behind the exhaustive effort committed

686
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 7: by the members and the Task force to try to

687
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 7: drill down and get the right information and the right

688
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 7: evidence to you, know move us forward in the.

689
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: Case Christen thorn W Abc channel, seven what can you

690
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: tell me about recent revelations of a storage unit a?

691
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 10: Search so we know that.

692
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 8: There's an active investigation right now around a storage unit

693
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 8: On Long, island and for all we know and we

694
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 8: believe that it is connected to this. Investigation you, KNOW

695
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 8: i think what they're going to be looking. For AND

696
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 8: i also noticed in the indictment and we talk about

697
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 8: his house and how they do need to and are

698
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 8: going to tear apart that, house there were items missing

699
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 8: from the, victims so, jewelry some pieces of, clothes those

700
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 8: are things that would probably be familiar to the family

701
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 8: that the family told them she used to always wear this,

702
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 8: necklace this. Bracelet that's very common we, find and so

703
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 8: those things were, missing and so those are the things

704
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 8: that they're going to be looking for in the house

705
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 8: and in this potential storage.

706
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Unit this is rapidly, developing but for right, Now Asa,

707
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: ellerup the ex, wife continues to Insist hueman her husband is.

708
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: Innocent she sat in the public, gallery flanked by her

709
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: own fleet of attorneys and quickly flounced out of the

710
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: courtroom when the hearing came to an. End the daughter

711
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: Of victoria was. Absent now remember some of her hairs

712
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: that are found on the dead. Bodies wonder how that went.

713
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: Down who wants to know their hair is on multiple

714
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: dead bodies buried On Gilgo. Beach in a linking Rex

715
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: hueman to the dead bodies At Gilgo, beach seven dead

716
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: bodies that we know of will be. Allowed, interesting it's

717
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: not his, hair it's his wife and his daughter's hair

718
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: found on the dead. Bodies that tells me a. Lot

719
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: that tells me the women were there in the, home

720
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: possibly when they were raped and murdered or stored there

721
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: before they were. Disposed this is a major bombshell for

722
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: the state in this, case a major ruling for the.

723
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: State can the state prove the? Case will THE dna be?

724
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: Enough the staggering number of bodies found is going to

725
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: overwhelm any.

726
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: Jurar but it's the, truth and you cannot hide the

727
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: truth from a. Jury we wait as justice.

728
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Unfolds goodbye, friend