WEBVTT - Conversations About The Culturally Entitled 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.320 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 Sealers Podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:18.920 loaw glasses. Malone really is the it's the ad libs 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.439 like selling it. It's not a ton of it. It's 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.600 really just the ad libs and selling it. It don't 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.840 take that much. It be small things to let you 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:34.600 know somebody is there. You know what I'm saying? And 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.320 what's crazy about that song? And actually the last fourteen 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.800 years we was having this conversation on the Live Pete 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:49.640 about how people digest music being instrumental to how the 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.760 records that people make. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:52.480 Right. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.280 I was reading last night about seventy eights, the history 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.720 of seventy eighths, like the ten in seventy eight revolutions 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:06.920 per minute the elect record and it's three minutes, you 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.520 know what I'm saying. And it's funny because we've been 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:13.319 having records that whole time. But I think because of 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.560 the price record player that would play a seventy eight 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.440 inch record, but not a seventy eight excuse me, a 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.520 seventy eight rpm record or a ten inch record. It 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.240 was like seventy eight dollars in the twenties, Like the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.240 player which is like two thousand dollars. Now, I was 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:34.200 thinking like if music, like if the medium to play 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.080 music was two thousand dollars, if the device was two 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.680 thousand dollars, how few people like people wouldn't be playing music. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.759 Yeah, it's amazing how that seems to be the converted 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.240 price point almost for everything new. I bet if you 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.520 were to go nineteen fifty five basic entry television new 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.760 to the market, probably about that price. I remember that 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.040 was about the price when a flat screen came out. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.800 It came out of ten, but it dropped two, and 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.040 then it was kind of like two for while, like 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:06.000 twenty years ago. Like anytime something hits, it's kind of 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:11.040 about that price until sum's made just to be accessible. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.080 But I was looking at right the record itself was 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:25.200 like the I think it was like it was expensive. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.880 It might have been like two dollars back then. I 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.280 wrote it down. Hold up, I wrote it down. Here's 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.400 my notes for it. I think it was like two dollars. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.200 In the team like in the nineteen like nineteen ten, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.880 it might have been like two dollars, and the player 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.120 was like seventy eight dollars still to play music, so 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.880 we did. Year was there, that's nineteen ten, nineteen twenty, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.000 nineteen thirty. So in nineteen thirty, the record player seventy 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.840 eight player, the record that would play the seventy eight 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.440 revolutions per minutes to seventy eight, the ten and twelve, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.279 they were seventy eight dollars. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.800 Got a rain men that it was in nineteen thirty. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.680 Gen, you said, I was all the way until nineteen thirty. 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:11.799 Yeah, that we have. There's an economic statistic on learning 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.359 curves for emerging technologies. This is actually very true here 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.160 as you can see because just think about also just 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.560 the material to make a record, like the physical whatever 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.040 specific piece of type of plastic that was that was 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:31.359 also new. Yeah, So like for every doubling of units sold, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.800 the price of production reduces between twenty to thirty percent. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.040 So we'll use it. Here's the interest effect. I'll try 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:40.640 to pick you off. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:40.880 Gen. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.680 Seventy eight dollars in nineteen thirty would be fourteen hundred 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.760 and seventy three dollars and fifty six cent today for 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.600 a record player to. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.800 Play music, right, but think about it is one dollar 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:58.160 per record in nineteen ten. Right in the twenties it 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.080 went up to a dollar twenty five a little bit more, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.440 which would be like eighteen dollars in eighty six cents. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.800 You know, remember the twenties is really great. Depression happened 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.320 the thirties. It was still over a dollar for a song, 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.080 which would be twenty dollars. But what happened was when 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.520 the forty fives came out and they started printing them 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:25.600 on vinyl. Right that material, that plastic material, it dropped 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.720 it all the way down to like sixty five cent. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.240 I think they was the cheapest forty five cent and 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.640 the player itself dropped down to twenty dollars. It was 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.599 thirty five cent seventy five cent in the forties. So 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.359 that changed the dynamic of what it hit record was 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:49.440 because right if you go to the Duke Ellington's, Duke 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:54.799 Ellington made a lot of good big records. Lewis Jordan, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:03.039 Lewis Jordan made some big records. Lewis Jordan made some 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.560 big records. It's crazy. I was reading too. It's another 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.240 lady Ruth Brown. She made some big records. But because 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.560 music wasn't like for the everyday man, it wasn't available 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.279 like you had to go out to hear music. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.480 It was hard to have recorded music at home pre 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:19.520 nineteen forties. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.440 Even the process of recording music all the way up 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.880 to nineteen twenty five. They used to kind of perform 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.200 into like a horn, and as they were performing, the 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.039 horn right would take the vibration and carve into whatever 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:40.080 the shelacci is. You know, to record the music, you 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.040 had to record in a horn, like it was horn 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.000 in front of you. So I was just I've been 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.520 doing a lot of research, just really foundation research, you 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.200 know what I mean, Like I said, as early as 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:59.640 eighteen eighties, just coming forward, and I was just thinking, like, like. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.680 I don't think we take it serious enough. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.000 I think we've been blessed and lucky enough to have 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.120 so many people, and it depends some people don't feel 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.240 like it's lucky. Some people talk crazy about the business 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:16.240 structure that monetizes the cultural records we present, but really 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.440 without it, you know what I mean, it might be 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.800 a different kind of challenge because you would not realize 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.240 how much work it is to make a record or 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.480 even market a record. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.960 Sure, so that's absolutely true. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.800 So just staring at it and reading it and really 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.040 getting to it, like some crazy facts. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.000 Ike Turner is considered to have the first rock and 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:44.880 roll record. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:51.640 My Man, right, nineteen fifty one, Brother, that's right Turner, right, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.560 So that's before Obviously little Richard, Little Richard gets credited 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.320 as playing the music. And obviously I think think it's 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.080 a combination of what Ike Turner and Little Richard did, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.000 what I Turner was doing with the bust and amp 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.640 on the guitar in nineteen fifty one, and what Little 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.520 Richard was doing in the mid fifties with his styling 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.400 and how he's playing the radeck and stuff that creates 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.400 what's the brother name actually is considered the father of 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.440 rock and roll, Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry like, he took 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.760 those two things and made it, and his idea was 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.600 a flip of an old country song as well. Yeah, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.840 so it's been it's been an interesting journey as I 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.040 as I look to rewrite the independent hip hop record 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.920 business for twenty twenty five, this is no siblings, last 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.160 luck in the house. My brother Peter Boss with me, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.440 got my big brother Norm Stell, big steal, whatever y'all 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:51.960 want to call it. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.040 I call him medium. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:01.800 Well. Yeah, as long as it's not Norman Norm, as 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.600 long as it's not like Norm. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.920 Well done. 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:09.160 Mister well done. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.000 No, that's not me. I actually had I actually, I 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:18.440 actually had a really good medium beef rid By roast 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.160 that I made and it was actually you know what, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.040 it was actually on the more on the side of rear. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.440 I said, I'm gonna try something different this year. It 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.760 was actually one side of rear. And it actually tastes 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.319 a pretty good you feel of it. I don't know, 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:38.960 it actually tastes a pretty good serious pictures, no, Marie, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.520 tell you right now, send the pictures. Let me have 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.079 a picture of it. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.760 Let me see on one small step from man, I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:48.240 don't know if I. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:49.560 Took a picture of this. Let me see. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.760 So this is what I was tripping off of. Right. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.320 So now again for me to go forward, I have 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.560 to understand the foundation of something, which is why I 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.880 understand how important it is to understand your history, you 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.040 know what I mean, Like I get why, especially for 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.960 a mind like Mines, that's a big thing. So as 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.480 I get into the foundation of recorded music, right, and 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.760 then I could look at, like I said, those three artists, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.040 and because music is not so accessible to the everyday 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:23.200 common man in America that even a record that's big 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.840 is not as big as a record became in the 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:30.559 forties and fifties, when records became affordable and the record 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:35.080 player became affordable, you know what I'm saying. So you 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.599 fast forward and to where Ray Charles. That's why he 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:42.960 becomes what looks like the first megastar because of what 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.840 changed in and even fast forward when you look at 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.679 the technology, switches were not giving a lot of credence 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:53.360 to it. Right, you go from Duke Ellington and like 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.360 I said, Louis Jordan and Ruth Brown to Ray Charles 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.160 and you're like, oh, is Ray Charles a better musician? 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.559 Probably not, But because music was more accessible, it went 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.560 from let's say, just as an example, it went from one, 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.160 you know, four hundred thousand people being able to afford 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.200 recorded music at home, where you had to go to 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.480 a bar to hear music or some outing, to where 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.880 four hundred thousand went to four million people being able 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.240 to afford you know, recorded music and playing recorded music 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.440 at home. So then if you putting out music, then 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.720 it's just a different journey. And it's the same thing 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.839 with technology to me that happened with. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:35.240 MTV. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.520 Like if you look at Rick James Prince and Michael 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.320 Jackson right, who all began their careers solo to a 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.680 degree right around the same time. I mean, Michael Jackson 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.680 was a little earlier, but he wasn't really having the 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.400 type of success that he was going to be known for, 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.600 you know, I mean we start talking about Off the Wall, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:03.040 we start talking about you know that version, Yeah, to 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.800 Quincy's Michael, to Quincy's Michael Jackson. But Rick James was 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.679 just as polarizing as a musician and probably just as 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.160 accomplished if you remove to Jackson five as Prince and 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.320 Michael Jackson when he first came out, right, But the 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.559 separation of the technology that we reference as MTV changed 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.080 their ability to be marketed to more people. You know, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.800 Sony had the opportunity. Sony was able to say, Hey, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.280 if you don't play Michael Jackson's record, we're gonna pull 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.960 our white artists from it. And Sony had white artists, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.680 So guess what we get Billy Jean at this massive level. Right, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.040 and then with Prince, right, Warner Brothers has the same opportunities, Hey, 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.320 if you don't put our artists on because MTV wasn't 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.760 playing black artists, we don't put our artists on, We're 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.640 gonna pull our white artists. Now, Prince Is on MTV. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.440 Guess who didn't have black artists botown? So when it 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.600 was time to get Rick James on, they were able 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.719 to keep Rick James off of MTV, and you could 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.800 see what happened to their careers, you know after the 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.880 mid eighties, you know, post that going into the mid eighties, 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.319 every print and Mike went this way, and Rick was 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.840 kind of stuck in just our world. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.280 Rick James. You know what, ze, Rick James was actually 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.839 pretty big in eighty five though, he was actually big, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.280 but I'll tell you where you Yeah, he was big 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.840 in the hood too though, like like like, Rick James 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.160 was one of them dudes. Though I'm trying to think 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.000 of a comparison him to somebody today. He was big 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.000 without being popular. You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, but 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.040 this is what I'm saying to you still point Yeah, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.199 I knowd MTV. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.280 He has MTV and they showed Rick doing his thing 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.400 with street songs versus what does that look like to 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.360 white America at that point that's been able to now 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.920 coming to our world because of m TV. What happened, Hue, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.880 Like what happens to Rick James. Rick James probably would 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:14.760 have been dead in the eighties almost like he almost 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.240 like that Rappers wet. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:24.360 That's what I'm saying. Imagine before it was rappers, we imagine. Yeah, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.000 it's funny, we just had that conversation. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.960 Imagine if White America got a bar of Rick like 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.600 at that level as MTV like they didn't want to 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.040 play give it to Me Baby like. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.280 Imagine if they would. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:42.959 Have on MTV like Brick like Mike and Prince probably 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.280 would have looked like nothing compared to this wild boy 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:45.920 from New York. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.439 Think about the lyrics of giving to Me Baby. Think 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.760 about the lyrics what he was saying though when I 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.320 came home last night, you wouldn't make love to me. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.920 You went fast asleep mm hm, like a juvenile. That's 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.480 juvenile whole premise of that. Let's see, I'm in a 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.120 room with it and a hole worn fuck like a man. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.520 I'm gonna beat my meat and get my fucking up 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.280 for show that was on that back in the eighties. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.440 He's gonna be drove in and I'm gonna turn the 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.439 TV off and go to sleep on that hold in. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.840 You feel me? So I'm gonna cut the TV off. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:25.680 But I'm saying all that to say that technology has 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:31.400 been at the forefront of what happens to music, like 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.520 for a while. You know, somebody like Russ who really 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.560 benefited from a SoundCloud as a community. Remember that social 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:44.000 media created new communities. The blog era created new communities. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.080 Before that, it was just standard communities. You know, people 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.720 that was grouped together, lived close together. D you know, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.760 couple couple exceptions to the rule, but very few versus 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.080 now where there's a ton of different communities where people 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.880 they don't in the physical live with each other, but 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.120 you know mentally they reside in the exact same place. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.440 They may share the same Facebook groups, you know, they 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.000 may live on the same apps. That has a sense 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.560 of community on the apps. So there's so many more 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.560 communities now than ever before, and all of those communities 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:29.440 are kind of developing their own culture. It's not quite 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.080 culture because you don't walk outside and see it, but 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.520 their conduct on social media is the same. Like you 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.240 use words like you see people using terms like glazer, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.000 Oh he's he glazes that person. I guess that's the 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.440 equivalent of saying like a doughnut, where like you you 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.640 you on somebody's jock. You suck and they you know 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.640 you you showing them too much love, you know. I 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.040 guess it's a negative connotation that you suck and they dick. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.680 So it's like a spin on a penis. I would 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:00.640 imagine these words are weird nowadays. Well, the other day, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.840 she says, Dad, you're constantly trying to trigger me. I said, what, Like, 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.000 what does that mean? Everybody's bringing this whole mental health 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.560 age and to just normal sustain. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.720 Everybody told you. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.720 I hate that ship. I hate that ship so bad. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.600 Everybody call them trauma words. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.480 Yeah, you're the trauma. Tell you about your durability. That's 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:23.040 my motto. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.760 I used to tell Jay you one day told me 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.920 that he like you gaslight me. Bro, don't never say 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.240 that to me. I've really had to step up, Like, 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.880 I don't say that to me never again. I don't 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.040 never say that to me again. God, don't even don't 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.320 do that. Don't say that to me. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.880 Don't gas English language even the word like, you know, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.680 like the best example to me of of of a 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:51.520 heisting of a word is equity as like equality on steroids. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:53.320 You know what? 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:54.920 For me woke? 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.360 Yeah, there used to be something that was like black 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.200 like when people understood the assault they was under. Now 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.920 woke has become like what white people is, and white 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.359 people attack other white people as a weird way of 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.040 still offending black people. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.720 They just took our word from They just took the 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.160 word our word. He's made. It's some whole other shit. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.720 It's like the rainbow. It used to be like a 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.480 representation of Jesus love. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:27.720 Yeah, sure, sure, I thought the rainbow was a representation 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.720 of God's love after the Great flood. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.880 Yeah, our God's love. Forgive me, forgive me God after 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.240 the flood. Yeah. So it's like hijack. So it's like. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.119 I was thinking about that and as I prepare, like 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:46.440 I said, to rewrite the independent hip hop record business, right, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.600 I'm just thinking about really the challenges that exists, right, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.639 And one of the greatest challenges is outside of the 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.480 fact that we have been you know, we were spoiled 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.520 by the traditional style of record of seventy years ago, 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.240 you know what I mean. Let's let's just say because 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.480 Ray Charles and them were still making like a rock 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.639 version of record, like the first pop record, not popular record, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.240 but the first kind of concept of a pop record 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.920 to me would be Ray Charles's I got a woman 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.199 right where you kind of take the flavor out of 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.960 some some cultural genre and you make it digestible to 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.119 the masses. Sure, now, there were some cultural things that 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.720 were digestible to the masses, obviously rock and roll, but 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.040 they were very much rock and roll, and people just 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:36.919 got into the spirit. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:38.040 But what Ray. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:43.399 Charles, Yes, I like that, or I like that. A 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.879 lot of sugar, no saltings. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.520 So he took a lot of the the God out 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.480 of He took a lot of God out of the 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.960 Southern tones, must be Jesus, and made it kind of worldly. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.080 Took a lot of the seasoning out of the gospel, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.720 seasoning out of it, and made it really to where people, Hey, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:05.320 I like this. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:11.320 He's the guy who originally started a massive societal paradigm 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:17.000 focus shift of seventy years ago. People were worse than God. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.480 Now they're worse pussy because he remade that song. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.320 I'm not mad. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.160 That might be some truth to that. It's some truth 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:31.240 to that. Pussy could be God too. I thank that weirdness. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.760 Many people kneel to it, people do. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:35.280 Pray to it. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.399 Said, Actually, when you think about it, it's very It 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.320 has a very weird godly effect on men? 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.400 How many prayers? 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.959 Now? Is Jared? God give me some pussy. 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.560 I remember I heard a dude say on a on 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.120 a podcast he was like. I was like, yeah, man, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.879 oh no. I was listening to it and the host 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.320 was like, yeah, man, would you take five hundred million dollars? 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.199 But you can never pussy no more? He said, no, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.520 what I'm gonna do with the money? I was like, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:11.680 holy shit. But the point I'm saying, as I arrive 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.480 at the obstacles, right, and I'm looking at the obstacles, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.920 I'm like, damn, okay, what's going on right now? What's 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.399 really the problem? Like, let me stop walking to the crosswalk. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.159 I always say that hip hop is jaywalking, It's not 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.679 walking to the crosswalk, right, And it's like, what is 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.800 the problem now, what does a crosswalk look like? 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:32.760 And what I thought about. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:37.520 Still was because we've been spoiled by the traditional standard 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.479 record for seventy years or longer, right, which is the 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.040 hook verse bridge, hook verse bridge, whatever that is, right, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.280 And we had that seven years, and then hip hop 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.320 for the last forty years on wax has gave us 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:55.880 culture like a lot of the audience that we want 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.680 to speak to grow up. Culturally entitled. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:02.760 M that's my new we When you. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.639 Say culturally entitled, I know what you mean, but explain 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.920 to the audience a little bit. What you're saying. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.960 Culturally entitled means you have no in hip hop. It means, 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:18.840 specifically street urban culturally entitled that you believe because you've 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:24.240 listened to enough rap songs, right, that you've listened to 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:29.120 enough rap songs and digested enough social media content that 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.639 you are totally in tune with. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.240 The street urban culture. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.640 You are in an expert of what's going on, much 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:41.240 like people that watch a lot of football. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:47.000 Coach, that's that's universal. That's it's it's an academicist perspective. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:57.119 It's it's white sociology PhDs. What that's every white sociology 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.119 PhD breathing oxygen in this country. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.800 Tell me more, telling the truth, Telling the truth, Tell 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:06.240 me more. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:12.720 I pontificated over some peer reviewed horseship essays that aren't 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.600 backed up. I spent a lot of time in the classroom. 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.199 I read a lot of books. Now I think I 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.800 know sub culture. I've never seen it by life. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:19.560 Mm hm. 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.720 Of a white man, and they certified me. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.040 White man or a white woman. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.439 They certify you on other people's coach black. I know 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:32.480 what's going on with those guys. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:32.919 I read them. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.520 It's because of their social economic conditions that they ate 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.760 this way. So when I meet them, I'm going to 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.359 rep to them. I'm going to rep. 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.600 That's that's that's why you get like Hillary. She carries 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.520 hot sauce in pers on fucking Charlottage Show. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.240 If you ever start getting in trouble around some black people, 0:22:53.359 --> 0:23:04.720 just start rapping immediately astimulating to the environment. You imagine 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.919 the motherfucker being stuck in the hooks. He at the 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.719 gas stationed off from period, you know, across from the projects, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.280 and some brothers pointing to a white dude. He just 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.240 start going, Yo, bro, you ain't got to mess with 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:23.160 my fro. Don't mess with my float. The brother just saying, okay, 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.120 he'd be hip to us. What's up, brother, you down 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:26.520 with us? 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:32.600 I'm crying. 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:37.000 Oh you ever seen the Soul plane man, that where 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:41.520 the dude was talking jive on the plane They're plane when. 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:43.400 The dude was talking with the old white lady. 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.720 Yeah, I'm. 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.040 That's famous city. He translates with the stewardess because he 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:55.639 has his stomach ache from the fish. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.760 M let me see you see like the finally to 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:01.880 play that real quick. 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:15.240 Anywhere tu ris man, But anyway, that's over there. 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:21.320 It's running a little hot. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:22.480 We're starting. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.280 This is got way, it's not going it's not there. 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:39.280 Anyway, said go on, there's this, I'm starting the ravee. 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.280 Hold over here playing weird. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:48.760 When you're doing that, I get you something more, folks. 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:50.240 But laying into the boom. 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:54.800 I'm sorry, I don't understand. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.240 You said you can't hang us. 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:04.639 I speak good, he said, anyone you can help me? 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.879 All right? Would you tell him to just relax and 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.000 I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine. 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.479 M hmm, just Alw's blood. 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:14.639 She gonna catch up to. 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:26.960 Raise no dummies, tell me some second chat. 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.040 Don't got no brands? 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:37.639 Oh man, please stop, please stop anyway. But that's b 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.720 And it's weird because all of this stuff, like I've 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.400 talked about this, all of this hoopla right now currently 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.840 that's going on in my in my universe as far 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:54.200 as socially is because around seven years ago I realized 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.960 what hip hop street urban culture was personified through the 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:02.200 arts hip hop, and five years ago, I realized Drake 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:03.080 wasn't a part of it. 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.880 Within the context of a conversation and. 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.000 We're talking about Drake before you get the sixes on. 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:16.919 You six is crazy. Oh man, that's exactly what it's like. 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:23.000 It's like even then, it's like I can hear the 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.000 rhetoric that. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:29.720 His fans or even he's presenting, and it's like in 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.879 his mind, he feels like he's in tune with street 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:37.000 urban culture. And it's like he probably he has to 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.199 be in his mind, Like who this Glasses think he is? 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.120 I'm as aware as him, Like like I am as 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.480 aware of street urban culture as he is. And it's 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.760 because he is studying talk. But that's what I'm saying. 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:50.440 I think. 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.880 He has study jaf talk. Yeah, Glasses, he more thief. 0:26:54.960 --> 0:27:02.439 This is inter because he speaks certified. He has certified records. 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.159 They were certified platter that's a PhD in this genre. 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.680 Oh yeah, he understands and that works to the fans. 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.440 The fans really be like, gee, man, like, look how 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:14.320 well he's doing. 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.440 You mean to tell me he's not speed urban cult. 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.840 And I'm like, I was talking with this girl who 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.959 she's West African and she lives in Cleveland about this thing, 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.560 because she hit me up on Instagram and it was 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.720 just like really funny talking about like this Kendrick Drake shit. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.320 It was like such a weird converging dynamic of a 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.879 West African immigrant in Ohio talking about a Canadian black 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.600 Jewish guy versus a dude from Compton with a white 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:49.000 guy from Orange County. It was the strangest like pile 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:53.320 of stuff thrown in a blender in conversational history. It 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.000 was so weird. 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.359 Anyway, I realized that was going on. That's one of 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:04.040 the greatest it's barriers I have to overcome is the 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.560 average person in America who grew up listening to hip 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:14.080 hop feels like they're as culturally savvy as I am. Like, 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.280 and I get it because they hear the songs and 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.920 they watch the content on social media and it's like 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.800 I had somebody tell me that Glasses we heard the 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.440 same songs, and I'm like, no, I'm living the songs. 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.920 I've lived the song man. 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.159 Like the Mama Mama say Mama, Michael Saw didn't know 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:32.760 what's going on. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:33.320 Gee. 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:38.440 Think about this. Also, though twenty years ago, hip hop 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:43.000 wasn't dominated by per se but there certainly was a 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:48.440 significant aspect of the space, not culturally, but like industry 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:53.760 wise to this discussion as to who's a gangster versus 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:58.200 studio gangster. Right, this isn't a difficult decision to make 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.240 if you're looking at people, but if you don't no 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.080 heads from tails that it's like some of you have 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.840 to discuss and debate for hours and days and weeks 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:14.440 on end. It's like like you'd have to be distant 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:21.000 enough from the epicenter to not understand that rapper ABC 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:26.080 or D maybe in his past didn't actually buy and 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:31.080 sell thirty million dollars worth of rock cocaine in his life. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.480 I mean, I've always thought that that conversation was kind 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:36.400 of like goofy. 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.040 It was goofy, but it was emblematic of the audience. 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.920 There had to be enough of an audience that didn't 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.719 understand shit for that cars didn't even persist longer than 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:47.920 seventeen seconds. 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:53.040 But I don't think the audience started that conversation. I think, no, 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.720 they didn't reject it either. Well, I don't think they can. 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.400 I think that you would degree there was enough caring 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.480 for it to have sustained itself. 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:13.640 Well, I think that was something that started within the art. Again, 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.040 hip hop is the artistic expression, it's the artistic expression 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:22.080 of the culture. So again, like if we start talking 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:26.120 about who really did what, that's not quite like the 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.920 conversation to me, right that It's like if somebody next 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.320 to you, if you did something and somebody you grew 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.480 up with did something and you know the experience. Yeah, 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.600 it's task upon you to explain it. Now, whether you 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:43.200 explain it in first person or third person is irrelevant 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.200 to me. I mean, that's just your creativity because obviously 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:50.000 you're making art. But I'm saying this is a little 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.120 different than that, because this is not like, this is 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:57.720 not the same conversation as oh, who is a studio 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:02.480 gangster and who is Like we're we're talking way past around. 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.560 Yeah, I'm not saying that specifically. 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.520 I'm just saying, but I don't want people to listen 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.240 to this pod and get confused thinking that a studio 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.640 gangster is somebody that's culturally entitled. 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.960 No, I'm not talking about the artists at all. I'm 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.280 not talking about anything that's going on in or around 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.880 the studio by the artists, labels, distributors, or otherwise I'm 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.440 simply just talking about the audience and their perception. 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.120 No, no, but even the perception they didn't even again, 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.560 like I said before we get loose to that, I 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.040 don't think they really was into the studio gangster side. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:34.200 I think that was something. 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.520 That the culture itself started, and then the audience was 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.280 able to say, Okay, do we really care about this? 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.160 And I don't as much as I think, as much 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.120 as I think they do, they don't. 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.080 I post one question, sure. 0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.800 And I don't want to stay there only because this 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.760 kind of becomes counterproductive, like this is where we're gonna 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.600 get lost and of what I have to do because. 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.680 It's like, yes, it's the weeks. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.360 Yeah, exactly, like it's a tangle because that's not what 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.800 hip hip hop was never about. The actual person, Like 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.000 I'm just lucky to be to make it through to 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:14.680 be the actual person to describe it. 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.400 But saying it was, I'm saying it speaks to the 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.080 illiteracy of the audience. If you don't think the audience 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:22.480 cared asked Ja rou. 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.320 But I don't think. I don't think. I don't even 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.600 think that's even what happened at Ja Ruh. Like I 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.560 because if that was a case, Jahru would probably be 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:35.360 the one that's doing well. Jahru was the aggressor in 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.720 the conversation and that whole sequence of him in fifty cent. 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.200 His crew was more of the aggressor. His crew was 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:43.440 more of the thorough crew. 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.400 Again, we're talking about two bunch of street guys to 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.760 some degree, right, but the supreme team that was with 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.640 ja Ru. Jahru was a guy. They had fights, you know, 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:57.960 sometimes I think gu and it won some of the fights. 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.680 They had another fight where murdering stab fifty cent if 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.200 I remember hearing correctly, Like, it was always a back 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.480 and forth thing and the biggest player and the whole 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.480 situation is on the murder ink side. So it's like, 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.480 I don't think jah Ru. If people thought jo Ruth 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.440 was a studio against they probably might be a little wrong. 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.479 I mean, I'm sure they're wrong to some degree. So 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:26.800 it's like, that's why you can't have the audience deciding that, 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.600 you know what I mean? Really, it was always within 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:32.480 the culture conversation that leaked out. 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.680 But again I don't want to get caught there because 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:36.760 this is not that conversation. 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.320 This is not whether you think somebody that grew up 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.400 in the community or you know that grew up baptized 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.880 in street urban culture. If they're actually a criminal, if 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:51.080 they're a participant, because your job as an artist is 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.800 to paint the pictures of what's happening in the culture. 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:58.920 Sure, sure, I'm just saying if you don't, If if 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:03.360 you're a literist low enough, then you can get taken 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.120 for a ride. 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:10.799 It's all same, Yeah, I know, but right otherwise, so, 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.799 but it's like you have people that are culturally unaware. 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:16.839 That's the thing. 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.319 The depth of their understanding is they're being taught by 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.680 the artists or what's going on on social media, and 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.840 I don't think there's really okay, So, while that's not 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:36.320 hip hop, if the songs are teaching you about what's 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.960 going on in the culture, you know, especially where you're from, 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.600 mainly where you're from, you probably are not the culture. Yeah, 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.400 And I think that's what's happening to the fans. I 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.160 think we have a group of fans who grew up 0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:01.000 with the culture in their airphone, you know, in their 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.719 air force, in the in their earphones. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:03.080 Right. 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.200 This is another this is a This is probably the 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.600 third Is this the third generation that grew up with 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.360 hip hop. Still you the first generation that grew up 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:09.879 with hip hop? 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:11.959 Yeah? 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.560 You know what I would say this is, this is the. 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.520 Third generation growing up with hip hop, because yours the 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:18.399 first generation that. 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.640 Grew up with hip hop. Because hip hop still when 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:21.920 you were a teenager. 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.720 Yeah, because I remember when it really wasn't I remember 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.560 when we were like there was Yeah, we were listening 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.959 to Duran, Duran, a lot of R and. 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:36.399 B had we had other things outside of hip hop, 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.359 versus my era where it was just hip hop. 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.480 Yeah, X gen X millennials gen Z. 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.959 Yeah, so it's three generations, right, So I think what's 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.520 happening is as we're marketing music to this third generation 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.360 or even the first and second, right, I think you 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.319 have people who you used to sell the culture to 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.800 right the art too, and they knew that they weren't 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:06.640 from this environment like we're still grew up at There 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.680 were people who grew up in different places and they 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.200 were honest enough that still age to say, hey, I 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.840 didn't grow up like still grew up. My experience was different, 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.760 and they would let Still tell them about his experiences 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.200 of growing up in Cleveland, you know, coming to Long Beach, 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.440 right like this is his experience, and they didn't. The 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.360 people from Crito's didn't act like, oh, I know what 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.160 he's talking about. They were still open. Even my generation, 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.560 right as that second generation that grew up in it 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:42.239 right to a degree, we still let other people tell 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.480 us about culture that wasn't our own. But this third 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:51.960 generation is really unique because they feel like they understand 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:55.759 what's going on based off of growing up generationally with 0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.160 street urban culture at their fingertips. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:01.839 Not just the. 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:06.640 Songs, not just a history of songs, a history of books, 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.480 a history of films, a history of content that you 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.200 can access on social media. 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.959 And what I came to the conclusion of is like, we. 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.799 Have to like there's a group of people outside of 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.040 that group of people that we have to start targeting. 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.960 You know what I found interested in coming up in 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:31.359 a place like Cleveland that was really segregated. We did 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.680 have white folks that lived on our side of town, 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.759 you know, on the east side off one hundred and five, right, 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.920 same community we lived in, Right. I don't think you 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.200 couldn't have told them dudes that they wasn't black, dude, 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.000 they had white parents. It wasn't like they either they 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:49.960 had white parents. They just lived in the neighborhood. But 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.800 they were into the same things that we were doing, 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.719 and they didn't really know how to. I remember my 0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:01.160 boyfriends man when we first got Bush to Clark Elementary. 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.319 He was on the bus with us and his white 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:05.920 dude asked him, why are you hanging out with the 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.319 nigros all day? Why are you hanging out with these 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.440 like And he didn't understand what they were saying. He 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.920 didn't understand. He really didn't understand that stuff because he 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:20.200 was raised with us. True, So I think I think 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.120 it's very important to note dog did. 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:30.839 Yeah, And that's an interesting micro macro on the segregational 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.640 concept because while the segregation in the macro had all 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.040 the people who were asking that same person the question, 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.400 he wasn't. He was integrated. He was in your neighborhood. 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.640 So he's two different Those are two radically different people 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:46.520 and experiences. 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.840 Yeah, what you think due to this day is married 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.200 to a black woman, married to a black woman. Also 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:59.200 had a white home boy that dated pretty much everybody 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.400 dated white girl. I was saying black girls, but he 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:02.919 was from the neighborhood. Though. 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.719 I always say that the root of culture is not 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.080 your skin. The root of culture is the land. 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:11.400 Mm hm yeah. Sure. 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:13.879 So it's like when of the dudes in. 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:15.760 The phone see would swear up and down it was black. 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.759 I mean, I don't quite know what that means, but 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:19.480 I got it. 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.319 No, But they just speak a certain way. You feel 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.920 what I'm saying. But look at a perfect example, look 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:30.000 at Storing Baker bro dude, that was raising the black community. 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.160 But but again it. 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.720 This goes back to that same conversation I keep having 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.279 with people about hip hop not being black, hip hop 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:45.080 being black based off of demographics, not being black based 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.800 off of an understanding or existing of being black. 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.640 Well, it's yeah, it's it's the fruit of a tree. 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.840 It's there's a difference between the tree and the fruit, 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:54.960 you know what I mean. 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.320 Yes, But I mean. 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.879 Because somebody, like I said, somebody like Fat Joe who 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:11.320 grew up in a project full of brothers, he doesn't 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.080 have a full understanding of what it's like to be black. 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.560 Even somebody who's a Puerto Rican who grew up in 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.600 the Bronx, who grew up in hip hop, you know 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.520 what I mean, And the culture itself still could use 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.520 a term like radical black racist because there's a level 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:30.560 of blackness that he's unaware of, because again, being hip 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:36.440 hop doesn't mean being black to a full point. 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:42.600 Or he's aware of it, and he's using polarity for 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:43.719 self servitude. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:46.759 I don't even I don't even think he would do that, 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:49.680 as I think if you were'm aware, he wouldn't even 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.520 do that. And see, that's what I think most people 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.839 think of what he's doing, is that he's using it 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.160 as like he knows better. And it's like, I don't 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.520 think he knew better, because Joe's the kind of person 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.000 I believe if you knew better, he would do better. 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.960 Better man if he didn't know any better. But again, 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.520 like I said, it's like there are certain things that 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.719 being black. You know that naturally, you just know coming up. 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:18.520 You've heard it enough in your life. 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.760 You hear it inside your house, you hear it outside 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.600 your house, you hear it. You know. 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.600 For the most part, it's a standard when you start 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.560 to assimilate with people that look like you, you know 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.520 what I mean. And for most of us, it comes with 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.400 our parents. I mean, there is a small percentage of people. 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.480 I would imagine there are some black parents that's teaching 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.879 a kid racism. Don't exist. I just don't know if 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.200 I know any of them. I don't think I've ever 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.720 met a black parent that doesn't think racism doesn't exist. 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.640 But I'm sure there are some preaching it. So again 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.400 we're talking about the macro. I mean, what's happening in most. 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:57.600 Homes from my own experience, like, I think there's maybe 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:04.239 not enough like gradient this to that spectrum. What I 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.719 people who I know who might be loosely described as 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:12.360 having that perspective, it's not it doesn't exist, it's while 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:19.319 it exists, your problems you you haven't even got there 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.160 yet kind of thing, you know what I mean. It's 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:24.560 like that might exist, but you fucked up at this, 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.799 so that could exist, or otherwise you fucked up before 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:35.560 you even got there. Is largely like the the root 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.799 of most of the conversations that I have that are 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:43.879 further down on that side of that perception spectrum, because 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:45.799 I don't know anybody who said it doesn't exist, but 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.000 it usually have to the extent that it exists, it 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.799 doesn't matter for you. You already made a bad decision that 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.080 costs you, So don't blame it on that because you 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.920 fucked up for you even hit that point. 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.000 Yeah, that's technically that's yeah. 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.920 I think there are a large contingency of people that 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:11.239 believe that racism no longer exists, you black people. I 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:12.920 think it's a few black people that think. 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.680 Especially large, A large, A large, not at large. 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.839 It's a larger percentage of white folks that don't think 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.960 racism exists. But there's a there's a small segment of 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:30.400 black people that think racism that think everything is just fine. 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.440 Don't don't don't play with words. 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:36.960 No, don't play with words. 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.400 Do you think there's a large number of black people 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.160 that don't think racism exists. 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.359 I think it's I think it's more than it should be. 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.480 I wouldn't say it was large, right, but I think 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:51.680 it's more than it should be. 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.839 More a million is three percent, So it depends on 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:59.000 how you're defining the raw number or the percent number. 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.080 I just think, man, and there are some people that 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.680 are doing well in life, bro, that think that certain 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.040 stuff don't effect impact them. You feel what I'm saying. 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:11.360 They think, Oh, I'm up there, not because I have money. 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.239 I have this. I've never thought, no matter how much 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.440 money I have, dog, I always got reminded, man that 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.120 I was a nigga. I always got a reminder that 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.840 you are still black. I remember, man, when we was 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.400 an escro for a house. You know, we're getting our 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.680 stuff together for a house, right, and you know that's 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:30.759 the stressful last time. People. You know, when you're buying 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:32.160 a house, you got to have a certain amount of 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.160 money in the bank, you know, when you're doing certain 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:40.520 things right. So I had, you know, my my mortgage. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.200 You know, my real estate agent said, hey, y'all gotta 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.200 put like fifteen to twenty more grand in the bank 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.440 to show that y'all, you know, do this. So I 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.000 had I had a cashiers checked, like one hundred thousand dollars. 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.200 Cashiers checked dogs. I went to put in the bank. 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.120 I went to the bank down in pair of my dude. 0:44:58.120 --> 0:44:59.960 They wanted to put a hold on it, wanted to 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.600 had me do this show reforms ID and I was 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.560 mad as hell. So I left there, went to the 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.840 bank and Beverly Hills. Dog went up there with my attorney, 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.520 you know, the attorney from the publisher coming. He met 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.920 me up there, some people. My stuff is available the 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:17.960 same day. Dog money was available. Funds available the same day. 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.560 Whereas I went to this other spot. Oh, there's no 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.440 way you can have Where did you get this from 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.040 Norman Steel? That doesn't sound like your name. You don't 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.600 look like a Norman you know. Just little things, bro, 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.760 And you get reminded, Yeah, you're still the nigga dog, even. 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:36.960 Like that's that's a that's a poverty that that's a 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:38.799 zip code thing, you know. 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:42.880 Yeah, which which ultimately first over the racism. 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.680 Thing is it's still yeah, Pete, that's what we're telling 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.319 you though. 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:54.399 No, but yeah, but even at the top level, it's 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.719 still not a zip code thing. And I think that's 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.600 the thing where it's like, this is the kind of 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:01.960 thing that that might be one of the things that's 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:06.160 in black cultures that we all know about racism at 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.239 a full I think that may be one of the 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.880 few things that we do share as a macro, you know. 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:16.359 I mean, I don't think it's one percent of Black 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:21.960 people that don't think, you know, America is racist. I'd 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.160 be surprised if you could find one million Black people 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.080 that don't think America. 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:28.800 Yeah. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:30.759 I just think that just that would be one of 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.120 those cultural things that we all communicate and know. 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:39.080 But again, we have to be at a different place where. 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:48.520 Culturally, a middle upper class Jewish kid from Canada things 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.239 that he is as urban culturally savvy as somebody who 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:57.080 grew up in Watson Compton, you know what I mean. 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:02.439 And there's an audience of people saying, oh, well, he's 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:06.280 as culturally savvy as you. He's as urban culturally savvy 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:15.920 as you, And I'm like, huh really. But then again 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.160 it goes to the audience, right, the audience who has 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:26.759 no idea what urban culture is, but they feel like 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.480 they do because of what they saw on social media 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:32.520 or the records that they listen to. 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:38.640 Whatever happens with the rest of this podcast, there's a 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:43.319 piece between grew up in Canada versus I grew up 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.640 in Wahston Compton and you, and then a pause and 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:52.520 the word huh. That clip needs to be extracted and 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.200 circulated elsewhere whatever happens on the rest of the show, 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.959 that little twelve seconds was just spectacular. 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.080 All right, Still, you need to make sure you cut 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:08.920 that out. It's between forty forty eight minutes. Write this 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.239 down between the forty six minute and the forty eight 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:11.799 minute mark. 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.720 Forty six and forty eight minute, Yeah. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.040 Write that down, so we could chop that clip. Again, 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.840 It's just we're in a different time and. 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.880 People will say to me and again, it's not about 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:30.279 cuz it's about the fans, like with his dad's from 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:37.280 Memphis and I'm like Nikka, like I ain't from Compton, 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:43.719 like in Watts like again, because people are culturally entitled, 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.960 and I think the goal is hip hop has not 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.319 only have I been critical of artists who are just 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:54.800 using old rap songs, old hip hop songs to hatch 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.440 new songs, which is kind of while we're not, you know, 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.880 growing hip hop the way our predecessors were, you know, 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.800 in the in the early two thousands and the nineties, 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:06.520 in the eighties, they were all growing it. 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:10.280 But we're like feasting on what's they're already. 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:14.400 Know, like like a like a buzzard, like a you know, 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:16.920 what do you call it, a scavenger. Were just feasting on, 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:23.640 you know, ourselves, like a accountibal. While our predecessors were 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:25.720 always bringing new people to the party. 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.600 While Dre was bringing people who liked. 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.560 David McCallum to the party. You know, the guys who 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:35.480 made the edge or or using no doubt, you know, 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:38.880 declined to make forgot about Drake bringing no doubt fans 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.600 to the hip hop party or jay Z you know, 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.000 using the doors to make takeover, bringing rock fans to 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.200 the party where for years hip hop used to bring 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.439 people to the party. If you were at the It's 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.200 also party, Big Pun brought you to the hip hop 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.080 party with the remix of I Still Don't want to 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.200 be a player, Like that's what hip hop used to do, 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.200 used to rush your people into the party, into our 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:07.360 cultural party. But now hip hop is so spoiled and 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.719 the audience, so the artists are so spoiled, and then 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:16.120 the base is so culturally entitled that they like, yeah, 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.480 I know as much as anybody else, the artists themselves 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:24.200 painting the picture. So I think the goal is hip 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.640 hop is to go outside of the space. Like I said, 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.160 It's like like if the first single on the one 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.920 ten album, right, it's chili cheese fries. We need to 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.600 go teach Rachel Ray on her show she needs to 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:39.440 make chili cheese fries, and we need to tell her 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.279 what does that mean to La street urban culture. That 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:49.040 base of people is probably not culturally entitled, true. I 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:52.920 mean we need to really get back to servicing this 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.760 party and bringing people who haven't came to this party, 0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.640 to this party because there's an audience for people that's 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.680 doing it. That's why Taylor Swift is doing so well. 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.759 We was pursuing that audience, Snoop and Dre was pursuing 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:11.560 that audience. They started to compete for that audience. They 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:15.319 wasn't competing for this audience that we naturally already have. 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.120 They were competing for whoever. The biggest act was in 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:20.720 ninety two ninety three period. 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:30.080 Yeah, chili, cheese, fries and interest. And when they come out. 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:34.520 And they understood, like those guys understood not maybe the 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:40.360 artistic bridge, but just the like the consumer parallel between 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:46.759 and you've talked about this between cinema and music. Yeah, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.840 they made miniature cinema into music or vice versa. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:52:00.239 Do you think that if Snoop band, Snoop Dass, all 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.160 those guys when they came at the around the time 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.879 they came to Dre, do you think they had more 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:10.359 of an influence on Dre than Drey had on them. 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.959 Influence is a different word, probably not. 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.680 Because you got to remember they was fresh out the hood, 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:18.200 fresh out. 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:20.279 I think it's. 0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:24.960 Probably not more because I think Dre they picked up 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.000 a lot of doctor Dre's ways as a veteran. They 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:33.919 all looked up to Dre. I think artistically they could 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.439 have shaped where the chronic was going. But I think 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:41.799 he was way more influential to them. He was way 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:46.040 by that time when he was thirty years old, I 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.200 mean roughly, so it's like, you know, they were all 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.120 looking up to doctor Dre from n W A. 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:52.200 So. 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.520 And to the extent that one learn or another, they 0:52:56.640 --> 0:53:02.040 learned different things. Like Draymond learned a little bit more 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.640 what was fresh, but they learned a lot more. And again, 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.840 you're in you're in that room. You're trying to be 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.319 a music professional. He was a music professional. You have 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.160 more to learn from him than he has to learn 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:12.440 from you. 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.280 Yeah, you know, of course musically. When I'm talking about 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:19.360 is culture and style and all that other stuff. Stuff 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:23.600 that might you know, because when people gee, when people 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:27.520 attained a certain level of success, they do become removed somewhat. 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.560 Look at this way, though Dre had been at a 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.560 Compton four or five years. 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.520 Was it that long? I don't even think it is 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:37.879 that I'm being generous. You be a year old. 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.839 Those guys been in the music industry. 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:42.879 Never well, I think I think. 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.640 I think also remember, like they said, even when they 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:49.000 start recording it at Dre's house, he even had furniture. 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:51.920 It wasn't like somebody who was. 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.400 At millions of dollars and was out of the hood, 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.880 like you know, straight out to the n w A. He 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.480 was in the hood. And eighty eight he was still 0:53:58.520 --> 0:53:59.960 in the hood. Eighty nine he was still in the hoo. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.600 It probably didn't get out the hood till probably eighty 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.759 nine ninety and then he finds Scoop in ninety one, 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:07.960 ninety ninety one, you know what I mean. He wasn't 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.880 that far removed. But I definitely think they brought a 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:18.759 youthful energy Warren you know, Warren Dog corrupt RBA. They 0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:20.000 you know what I mean, they brought. 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:23.279 And you could listen to the music eating. At the 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:27.399 height of Warren Jee's popularity, he was living right over 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.680 behind what's the grocery store over there. Now they used 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:35.840 to be like Alberson's or something. I was a winkles them, mom. 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:40.640 The gated community over there and Long Beach Lakewood like Lake. 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.680 South and South and Downy, yeah, South and Downey. 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:50.040 Warren was all that gaeated community in a gated community, though, 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:52.719 Warren and Leaf from over there. It was that when 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:56.640 regular was going on Dog, I would see Warren sometimes 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.399 driving down South Street and his beans dog top down, 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:01.879 just hanging out, still going to the same records store 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.520 to get samples and stuff Dog, and people see Warren like, 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.560 what's up Warren? He was just always in the hood. 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.320 I think Warren was more in the hood than the 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.359 mother dudes was for a long time. 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:17.040 Sure, So again again, I think. 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.600 I think we have to get away from the culturally 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.160 entitled marketing to the culturally entitled. 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:28.520 Sure, and I. 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.600 Think there's something specifically we have to do with the records. 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.200 But I think when you are making a traditional seventy 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:37.440 year old record, I think you have to get away 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:42.680 from the culturally entitled based that that that that we've 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:46.200 been marketing to, you know what I mean, not necessarily 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:51.000 streaming again, not not going to the same thing, because 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:54.040 I think they just spoiled. They've had it too long, 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.279 They've been so aware, like think about it, like I 0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.560 always say this, but well, cripping and blood and there's 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:00.319 a general racing. 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.560 The kids who grew up with crypton bloods in their town. 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.680 They don't even care where it comes from. 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:12.280 Sure, and like I'll quote George Gilderton, dead and buried, 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:18.400 there's a certain universality to the to the principal information 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:23.600 is surprised at this point, there's no longer information being 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:30.040 trans preferred because there's no news. It's just shit we 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:34.640 know and heard before, recirculating the people who've heard it before. 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.920 Peter before. I forget what I was looking for on 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.520 the phone. What was the name of that white doctor. 0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:43.800 She was an older lady and she did this experiment 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:45.520 in the sixties where she was showing a bunch of 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:49.080 white kids what racism. 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:52.160 Was, and those kids and wanted to be black. 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:58.320 Yeah, what was that woman was brilliant, though. 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.520 I don't know what. I don't know what you know. 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:08.000 I know you're talking about. I just got my head 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:12.520 confused because I started watching the Stanford prison experiment yesterday and. 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.120 I was trying to find that broke because those white 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.440 kids were really in their feelings some kind of but like, 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.520 this is not fair, and she said, well, that's what 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:21.960 happens to black people every day. 0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.439 Well, if y'all know what it is, make sure y'all 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.080 leave it in the comments. 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:28.240 No selings. 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.120 Looking out for tuning into the No Sellings Podcast. Please 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.160 do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comment, and share. This 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.520 episode was recorded right here on the West coast of 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:44.000 the USA. 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