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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump says he as to

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Speaker 1: Nation's Jed Here. Welcome back to Fast Politics, my best aid.

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Speaker 1: Jed here.

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Speaker 2: Always good to be on the front ground.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have you. I really like you.

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Speaker 1: That we never get to hang out because you live

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Speaker 2: I think it's much better if I go down and

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Speaker 2: visit you in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we'll all go on a nation cruise. I

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk to you about it first.

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Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau, your Prime minister, is pretty hot to run

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Speaker 2: I think what they're going to do is try to

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Speaker 1: Jeet here, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: John Allen is a senior national politics reporter at NBC

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Speaker 1: and author of Lucky How Joe Biden Barely won the presidency.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, John Allen.

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Speaker 3: WELLI, John Fust. I'm so happy to be back.

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Speaker 1: With you, so happy to have you. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we're friends, which is so and you know, since it's

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Speaker 3: We're real friends.

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Speaker 1: We're real friends.

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Speaker 3: I set you the holiday card, my family's holiday card,

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Speaker 3: and I would.

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Speaker 1: Say the real data point here is my kids were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's the Allens. But so let's talk about you went

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Speaker 1: from you were in Iowa, now you're in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: You know this is not a normal primary season. Let's

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Speaker 1: But also I think the sense that it was a

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Speaker 3: Right when you say this is an unusual primary season,

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Speaker 3: I think it's partially it feels like an unusual primary

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Speaker 3: saying that he won the twenty twenty election, but he

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Speaker 4: Which is what we're seeing in Biden world right, and

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Speaker 3: And so that, you know, it shouldn't be terribly surprising

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that makes a lot of sense. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and think to himself, who's the person that looks best right.

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Speaker 1: Who looks the most like in the TV version, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, go looks the best mash up against Kabla Harrison.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean physically looks the best, but like just

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Speaker 3: matches up well, you know, and we'll match up in

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Speaker 3: the mind's eye of voters. And so, you know, I

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Speaker 3: think there was a point where that could have been

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Speaker 3: nikkiy Haley, and maybe it could be again, she has

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Speaker 3: touched a part of the Republican Party that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is alienated and is obviously, you know, appealing to a

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Speaker 3: lot of independence. But you know, I think you're more

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Speaker 3: likely to get somebody who's just like, yeah, traditionally in

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Speaker 3: that Trump mode, like Tim Scott or Christine Nome or

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Speaker 3: somebody like that. But who knows, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the idea of ascribing logic to

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Speaker 1: the way Trump works, there's no evidence to support the

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Speaker 1: supposition that logic is involved in Trump's decision making.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the way that I would look at

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Speaker 3: it is that his decisions aren't made along the line

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Speaker 3: the traditional lines for like a vice president. They don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily track, you know, with generations of politicians have done.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, I just think his metrics are different.

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Speaker 3: He's not sitting there with some law firm like going like,

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Speaker 3: all right, let's bet their background.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I feel like we're having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about him like he's a normal political candidate, and I

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Speaker 1: think we should pause because even though, and again I

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Speaker 1: know you're not your nonpartisan and on the straight news side,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you to say anything here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just going to say, in my mind, treating

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Speaker 1: him like a normal candidate. Well, it is true. There

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Speaker 1: are certain things about him, like he's going through the

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Speaker 1: caucus in a normal way, his plan for what he

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Speaker 1: will do if he gets re elected, and the legal

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Speaker 1: challenges that he's facing make him an unprecedented candidate.

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Speaker 3: Fair, Yeah, I mean I don't think that's a partisan

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Speaker 3: thing to say. I think he is unprecedented in American

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Speaker 3: politics for a variety of reasons, and certainly the facing

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Speaker 3: criminal indictment and three jurisdictions one of them twice is

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Speaker 3: one of the ways in which he is non traditional

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Speaker 3: or unprecedented as a candidate. That's not partisan to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, the question like to treat Donald Trump differently

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Speaker 3: as a separate question that but absolutely there's never been

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Speaker 3: anything like in American politics.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: Trump has been doing is he's been going to all

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Speaker 1: of these court cases and he didn't go to the

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Speaker 1: Eugene Carrol case when the jury was deciding and they

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Speaker 1: voted in several case they consider him to be guilty

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Speaker 1: of raping Egene.

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Speaker 3: Carol, right, sexually assaulting.

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Speaker 1: Sexually assaulting. This jury has found that, right, So now

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Speaker 1: we're in this sort of damages phase and actually now

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Speaker 1: we're enough. Did he libelhar one of the things that

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Speaker 1: he's been doing. And you can argue it's smart, you

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Speaker 1: can argue it's done. But he has been trying really

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Speaker 1: hard to make this case a case that has tried

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Speaker 1: in the media and not his social media and not

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Speaker 1: in the court. Right, He's tried really hard to say

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Speaker 1: this is about me, and they're cure to get me,

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Speaker 1: but they're really trying to get you or make it

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Speaker 1: a larger issue that isn't about his situation with Egen.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, I think that is sort of plan

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Speaker 1: right now, as much as he has a plan for anything,

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Speaker 1: is that he is going to be at a lot

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Speaker 1: of these hearings, right, yeah, I mean that way, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's your sense on how that play is well, at.

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Speaker 3: Least in a primary, plays very well. For there's nothing

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Speaker 3: that has, you know, has entered his base more than

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Speaker 3: the idea that Donald Trump is being unfairly targeted. So

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Speaker 3: I think he likes being in a court room. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he doesn't love sitting there listening to judges

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Speaker 3: tab shut his mouth, but it has been politically good

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Speaker 3: for him with his base, and I think he understands

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Speaker 3: that in order to win the presidential election, he needs

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Speaker 3: his base super energized. He needs them angry, He needs

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Speaker 3: them to believe that not only is he being treated unfairly,

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Speaker 3: but he is, you know, as he likes to say,

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Speaker 3: a vessel for them, and he likes to say that

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Speaker 3: the government's going after him to go after them. And

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Speaker 3: that's his argument making that something that is fresh in

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Speaker 3: the minds of his supporters is important to his electoral strategy.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk a little bit about what's happening in

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Speaker 1: Congress right now? Sure, I know you're in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: I'm touring the coldest places in the world in the

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Speaker 3: winter time.

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Speaker 1: There are some really good pancakes, right, There's some good

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Speaker 1: I had the best little stuff grapes this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean New Hampshire is like a jam.

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Speaker 3: Really the syrup that's really the syrup that does it.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Congress. We're in really interesting moment

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Speaker 1: I think in Congress where the Senate wants a border

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Speaker 1: deal whatever that looks like, more than the House wants

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Speaker 1: a border deal.

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Speaker 3: The reason that we haven't had comprehensive immigration reform, and

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Speaker 3: we've been really debating it intensely for the last basically

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Speaker 3: twenty years. The reason we haven't had that is that

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Speaker 3: it is politically beneficial to the Republicans to not have

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Speaker 3: its tall and at time right now, at least, and

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Speaker 3: at the times it has politically been beneficial to the

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Speaker 3: Democrats to not have it solved. When George W. Bush

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Speaker 3: was president, Barack Obaba voted for a poison pill in

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Speaker 3: the Senate that basically killed comprehensive immigration reform. The two

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Speaker 3: parties like this fight right maybe more than anything else,

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Speaker 3: speaks to the split in their values. It's something that

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Speaker 3: generates money, like donations, something that generates votes.

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Speaker 1: Right on the Republican side well.

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Speaker 3: But also on the Democratic side. Right now, the Democrats

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Speaker 3: are hiding from it a little more than than they might.

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Speaker 3: You know, it probably depends on how much the public

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Speaker 3: sees at any given moment on documented immigration as a

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Speaker 3: problem versus a positive, and that probably connects pretty closely

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Speaker 3: to what the economy looks like in the US at

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Speaker 3: any given time. But there are times when this is,

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Speaker 3: you know, an issue that's very beneficial for Democrats, or

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Speaker 3: at least they didn't want George W. Bush to get it.

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, immigration is a really interesting issue

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Speaker 1: because I feel like there's such a there's been so

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Speaker 1: much can kicking on it, and there's been on both

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Speaker 1: sides for sure. Right now though we're in this tenuous

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Speaker 1: position where it's going to be a third cr signed

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Speaker 1: which will keep the government from shutting down, sounds like,

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Speaker 1: but the Ukraine funding borders. I mean, this will be

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Speaker 1: a package if it works. What I think is a

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Speaker 1: little bit interesting about this moment is it seems as

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Speaker 1: if Mike Johnson, as much as he is in the

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Speaker 1: same almost identical situation to Kevin McCarthy, he seems like

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Speaker 1: he's not being held hostile in quite the same way

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Speaker 1: to the right now, to the far right now. He

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Speaker 1: may still end up being held hostage by them, but

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Speaker 1: he does. He's behaving as if he has more leeway.

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Speaker 3: He does have more leeway, And I think there are

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Speaker 3: a couple of reasons for that. Number One, they already

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Speaker 3: just got rid of a speaker.

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Speaker 1: Right, he can't do that too many times.

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Speaker 3: You can't do it every week. He knows that there

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Speaker 3: is some latitude. I also think that the reason that

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Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy's no longer the Speaker of the House is personal.

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Speaker 3: They stopped liking him, they stopped crossing him, or whatever

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Speaker 3: it was. But like, there are different reasons, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure some of them would based on policy, but like

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Speaker 3: the truth of the matter is, there's not much difference

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Speaker 3: between the way Mike Johnson will play this in the

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Speaker 3: way Kevin McCarthy will play this, except for that Kevin

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Speaker 3: McCarthy was a little bit more experienced and might have

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Speaker 3: the benefit of that experience. And you know, Johnson stilled

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Speaker 3: feeling his way out a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean it's quite interesting, but it does

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Speaker 1: seem like there is a schism in the party between

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's saying he wants a border Deale, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think there is? And again, this is a

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Speaker 1: supposition as much as anything. But like, do you think

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Speaker 1: there's a world in which Mitch McConnell has less to

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Speaker 1: lose and so is even less motivated by Trump and

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Speaker 1: his anxiety about Trump?

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Speaker 3: I do think he has less to lose. O. Look,

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Speaker 3: he's already gotten everything he wanted out of life, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: He's been set up the majority leader or whatever. So

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Speaker 3: like on a personal level, he's reached the apen.

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Speaker 1: It seems like this is it for him, right.

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Speaker 3: I think he wants to get the policy done. I

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Speaker 3: think he thinks it's good to strengthen the border. I

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Speaker 3: think he's an old school politician who's like, when you

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Speaker 3: see an opportunity to get the thing done that your

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00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: voters want done, you should do it. And so like,

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Speaker 3: for example, you know the Supreme Court stuff, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the judges the Supreme Court. He wasn't like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: we're going to appoint these people and then they're going

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Speaker 3: to undo Roe versus Weight, and then we're going to

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Speaker 3: lose a bunch of elections. He's like, the people that

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Speaker 3: elected me in the Senate are pro life, and the

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Speaker 3: people who elected them want a zero overturned. And so

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Speaker 3: we're going to push that to get the thing done.

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Speaker 3: There's something classic and predictable and traditional about that that

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Speaker 3: is different from the modern Republican leaders that have succeeded

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Speaker 3: or at least you know, have grown up since Mitch

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Speaker 3: McConnell first came to power. So like, it makes sense

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Speaker 3: that you would want a border deal. Also, even if

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Speaker 3: they get a border deal, it's still an issue that

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Speaker 3: his candilates can use in, you know, in the campaign

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Speaker 3: trop because I don't think anybody's going to see a

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Speaker 3: border deal and then immediately immigration's going to stop.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Johnson does have like an opportunity here

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Speaker 1: to show Republicans doing stuff, you know, like he really

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Speaker 1: has these far right Republicans who want to burn it

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Speaker 1: all down. From what I understand from people I've talked to,

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Speaker 1: I know, you'll be shocked to hear that. I don't

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Speaker 1: talk to any Republicans in the House, but there is

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Speaker 1: a sense that the people who are a Republican, who

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Speaker 1: are quote unquote normal Republicans are furious with the heart

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Speaker 1: right because they just want to get stuff done and

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Speaker 1: they're irritated that these people have made them look bad.

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Speaker 3: I would say members from Swing districts that are on

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Speaker 3: the you know, on the chopping.

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Speaker 1: Block, like Michael Lawler.

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Speaker 3: They're not happy with just blocking things and they're not

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Speaker 3: happy with messaging boats. But if you're like Johnson and

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Speaker 3: you want to get stuff done, like your best route

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Speaker 3: is to like have a bunch of those messaging boats

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Speaker 3: and like let all these let all the super conservatives

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Speaker 3: like get their you know, get their day on the

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Speaker 3: House floor and then ask them to vote for the

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Speaker 3: things that they don't like and say, like, look, we

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Speaker 3: put your stuff up even if it failed, and you

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Speaker 3: could do that through an amendment processes. It's one of

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Speaker 3: the sad things that's been lost in recent years, with

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Speaker 3: you know, a ton of turnover in the House and

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Speaker 3: primaries and stuff, is that leaders have lost the sense

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Speaker 3: of how to legislate and the deals that you can

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Speaker 3: make and the ways in which you can make your

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Speaker 3: members happy or satisfy them enough. I feel like the

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Speaker 3: floor is not used as well as it could be.

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Speaker 1: John Allen, thank you so much. Also, Seersucker Day, right,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's still.

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Speaker 3: Going not in New Hampshire Soccer here weird plea.

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Speaker 1: Seer Soccer Day. Heather Williams as president of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Legislative Campaign Committee. Welcome to fat Politics, Heather, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: memo brus. Tell us what you do and why you are.

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Speaker 5: Here would be too. So the DLCC is the party

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Speaker 5: committee responsible for identifying ways to build power in the states.

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Speaker 5: We work across states to really articulate and identify, using data,

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Speaker 5: where the greatest opportunities are to build power. And what

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Speaker 5: we're seeing is the states are where things are getting done.

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Speaker 5: It's where the Democratic Party's agenda is geting accoplished, why

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Speaker 5: the president's agenda is geting accomplished. It's where we're protecting

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Speaker 5: our rights, and we are on the forefront of that work.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because on the Republican side, we see,

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Speaker 1: for example, in Texas, Abbot killing migrants. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: not laughing, I'm just shocked that that's happening. Revernor Abbot

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Speaker 1: took away the right to choose right. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was what they did with SBA. So we do see

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Speaker 1: a precedent for states setting the tone in a larger way.

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Speaker 5: Right on the Dobbs decision, crystallized for so many people

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Speaker 5: the importance of what was happening in the States, and

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Speaker 5: it shed a light on what was going on in

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Speaker 5: a way that it just hadn't existed before. And that's

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Speaker 5: really important because for a long time, I think the

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Speaker 5: States were seen as a laboratory of democracy, as an

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Speaker 5: opportunity to try and test things. Legislation moves very quickly,

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Speaker 5: things could happen fast, and what we've seen since the

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Speaker 5: Dobbs decision is a spotlight and Republicans refusing to listen

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Speaker 5: to their constituents, to voters on the issues that they

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Speaker 5: care about and what they want to see action on,

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Speaker 5: and instead are using their power to advance their own

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Speaker 5: personal ideals and agenda right.

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Speaker 1: And I think also takeaway rights right. I mean SBA

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Speaker 1: is a great example of taking away rights like this

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Speaker 1: was a right that it was entrined in the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: taken away by a state legislature.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, the same thing happened in North Carolina when there

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Speaker 5: was a party switcher and the governor lost the video power,

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Speaker 5: and the first thing Republicans did when they had enough

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Speaker 5: power to do so was be an abortion. This is

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Speaker 5: the first thing that they're doing everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about like I've certainly

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Speaker 1: seen a Michigan. They've worked really hard at the state legislature.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 5: Michigan has been a legislative battleground for a long time,

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Speaker 5: and we worked really closely with them in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: We built a trifecta. It is a narrow margin trifecta,

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Speaker 5: but it is one that took their power very seriously,

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Speaker 5: and they delivered for the voters. They delivered on their promises,

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Speaker 5: and they went into their first legislative session as a

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Speaker 5: trifecta with a really clear agenda, and they made so

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Speaker 5: much progress in Michigan. They advanced and secured abortion rights,

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Speaker 5: they moved common sense gun legislation, they made their labor

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Speaker 5: laws so much better. They just did so much good

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Speaker 5: with what they had. And now we're in a position

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Speaker 5: where the state Senate is not on the ballot in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, but the state houses, and they are

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Speaker 5: going to prove their case to the voters. They're going

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Speaker 5: to talk about all that they've accomplished, and they're certainly

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Speaker 5: going to be asked to return to that trifecta in November.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to state legislature, what are the rights

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Speaker 1: that you can enshrine for people?

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is such a great question. The power of

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Speaker 5: the state legislature is pretty vast. You know. When we

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Speaker 5: think about in context of this decision and where our

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Speaker 5: rights are, you're seeing Democrats and the legislature at vance

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Speaker 5: or secure our rights around abortion and reproductive healthcare, around

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Speaker 5: access to contraceptives, around voting rights, around allowing us to

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Speaker 5: love who we want to love and marry who we

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Speaker 5: want to marry, Around safety and schools, around safety in

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Speaker 5: our community. So many of these fundamental rights have a

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Speaker 5: state based component to them. And with the inaction in

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Speaker 5: Congress and the deep need to address issues in this country,

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Speaker 5: all of the action is happening in the states. And

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Speaker 5: you see such a stark contrast of not just priorities

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Speaker 5: but action when you look at and compare Florida and

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Speaker 5: what they are doing in their legislature in their state

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Speaker 5: versus you know, Minnesota or Michigan New Democratic trifectas and

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Speaker 5: what they are doing.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about Minnesota, because that is very

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Speaker 1: exciting in my mind.

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Speaker 5: Minnesota has done, you know, a really incredible job. The

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Speaker 5: Senate is on the ballot again in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: The Houses, they really took, what I would say, and

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Speaker 5: I'm from Minnesota, like a very pragmatic approach to their legislating.

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Speaker 5: They looked at the things that we're going to touch

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Speaker 5: people's lives, that we're going to give them some relief

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Speaker 5: that we're really going to affect it. And the thing

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Speaker 5: that I always like to talk about in Minnesota is

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Speaker 5: they made sure that all kids had access to lunch.

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Speaker 5: And it is governing through that lens, through understanding that

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Speaker 5: you have the power to not just make a difference,

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Speaker 5: but to do things that have a true impact to

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Speaker 5: our lives. That represents the kind of community and government

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Speaker 5: that we're actually looking for, that cares for people. And

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Speaker 5: they accomplish that and so much more in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because the Republican case against free

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Speaker 1: school lunches, free school breakfast is that it is like

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Speaker 1: some real backward stuff. I mean, you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to end up paying for someone who could afford lunch.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they really have no argument against feeding hungry kids.

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Speaker 1: Where else are you guys feeding hungry kids? Where else

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Speaker 1: is the legislature doing those kind of anti poverty things

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Speaker 1: that seem to not get the spotlight but are so

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Speaker 1: profoundly important.

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Speaker 5: I think you're seeing elements of this across all of

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Speaker 5: our democratic chambers, and you're seeing advocating for this in

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Speaker 5: chambers where Democrats are in the minority. This is the

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Speaker 5: kind of work that Democrats are doing. Of course, the

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Speaker 5: attention right is always on the ability to expand abortion

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Speaker 5: access or to remove an ancient law off the books.

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Speaker 5: That is what gets the spotlight. But when you go

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Speaker 5: a layer deeper, you see these very pragmatic, smart approaches

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Speaker 5: to ensuring that our communities are strong, that we're looking

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Speaker 5: through a lens of justice and people feel included, and

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Speaker 5: that we are using our resources to help people where

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Speaker 5: we can. And we see that all over the place,

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Speaker 5: and we see Republicans fighting against it. Yet they are

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Speaker 5: the first ones to offer vouchers where they may be

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Speaker 5: doing the exact same thing for private schools, right the

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Speaker 5: person who could afford it is given a voucher, But

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Speaker 5: we couldn't do the same for school lunch.

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Speaker 1: I would love you to just explain to our listeners

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Speaker 1: why you think that Republicans are happy to support schools

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Speaker 1: that are not public in a way that they don't

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Speaker 1: with public schools.

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Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing across Republicans and the way

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Speaker 5: that they are governing is that they are doing it

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Speaker 5: for them, and they're very narrow communities. Their interests are

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Speaker 5: not for the people. They may not know where the

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Speaker 5: communities they are not a member of. They cannot seem

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Speaker 5: to comprehend how to even say, do you know what,

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Speaker 5: I'm not a member of this community, but I understand

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Speaker 5: that this thing is hard. Let me make it easier.

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Speaker 5: Let me make sure that you are included in our

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Speaker 5: community and that we are protecting you. Instead, it's looked

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Speaker 5: through the lens of how do we hold on to

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Speaker 5: the power that we have we meet in this office,

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Speaker 5: but also me in this community, and how do we

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Speaker 5: expand that power so that we keep our power for

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Speaker 5: a very long time and we use it to tell

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Speaker 5: other people how to live their lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the legislating that you do, explain to us what

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Speaker 1: that sort of centralized legislation means. So is that involved

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Speaker 1: in getting Democrats elected at the state level? Is that

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Speaker 1: helping to find candidates? I mean, what does that look like?

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Speaker 5: The great question we are the party committee, the Political

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Speaker 5: Committee that is looking across all of these legislative elections,

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Speaker 5: and so we are supporters and tieging partners and we

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Speaker 5: share resources right with these campaigns where we can build power.

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Speaker 5: And so it's everything from supporting candidate recruitment to making

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Speaker 5: sure that we've got the best opportunities to communicate with

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Speaker 5: voters at the door, which is such a cornerstone of

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Speaker 5: our campaigns, those real conversations with voters in the community,

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Speaker 5: to know the paid communication at the very end. And

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Speaker 5: I think if you folks are interested in learning more,

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Speaker 5: they can head to dealcc dot org. But we are

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Speaker 5: really in it all the way.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk for a minute about what sort of legislatures,

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Speaker 1: state houses you're looking at now, what states are up,

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Speaker 1: what the landscape looks like where you're hopeful, where you're

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Speaker 1: not hopeful. So first talk to us about what are

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Speaker 1: your kind of focuses right now.

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Speaker 5: This year there is a lot of overlap with the

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Speaker 5: legislative map and the paths of the presidency and some

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Speaker 5: of these really key states white races. So the states

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Speaker 5: and I think the opportunities are going to feel quite familiar.

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Speaker 5: We've got real opportunities to challenge Republican control in Arizona

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Speaker 5: and in New Hampshire, and we have a need to

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Speaker 5: return our neuro democratic majorities in Michigan in the Pennsylvania House,

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Speaker 5: and then return that trifecta in Minnesota. And then the

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Speaker 5: sort of third thing is we kind of think both

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Speaker 5: an immediate wrong on the power ladder, if you will,

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Speaker 5: and also kind of long term, we're looking at places

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Speaker 5: where we can secure a democratic governor's veto power, understanding

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Speaker 5: how important that is in Kansas and in Wisconsin and

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Speaker 5: in North Carolina. And then we've got a list of

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Speaker 5: places where we're really looking to gain ground.

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Speaker 1: So I want to like really drill down on this

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Speaker 1: because you are the person to talk about this, and

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Speaker 1: so I want a lot of our listeners are sitting

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Speaker 1: there watching Donald Trump really freaked out. I think if

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Speaker 1: our listeners are anything like my husband completely freaked out,

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Speaker 1: so I think they want to hear exactly what this

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Speaker 1: plan is. So the state legislatures that need to that

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Speaker 1: can be one are ones like Arizona, right that that

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Speaker 1: could be.

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Speaker 5: Flipped, that is exactly right, yep, where the Republicans in

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Speaker 5: control are vulnerable, and we believe that Democrats have the

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Speaker 5: greatest opportunity in twenty twenty four to create a democratic majority.

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Speaker 1: And so Arizona has a democratic governor and a democratic

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State and a democratic age. So he has

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Speaker 1: three Democrats there, but the state House is still Republican.

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Speaker 1: And when you have a Republican state house, especially a

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Speaker 1: lot of these Republicans, they tend to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that maybe Democrats wouldn't do to hold on

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Speaker 1: to power.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yes, that's right. And so in Arizona, the governor,

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Speaker 5: Governor Hobbs, who is a former legislator herself.

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Speaker 1: Right, and you'll remember she won against Carrie Lake, who

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Speaker 1: had made it clear that she did not believe in

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Speaker 1: in democracy the way we've done it all this time.

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Speaker 2: For it all.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that is exactly right. So she is a former

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Speaker 5: legislator now the governor, and her power is different with

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Speaker 5: a Republican. Her power in being able to proactively execute

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Speaker 5: her vision for Arizona to make change is different with

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Speaker 5: a Republican legislature. They have to work together and she

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Speaker 5: does not have an ability to proactively do things. Now,

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Speaker 5: she can obviously use her power in a lot of

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Speaker 5: regulatory ways, and there's a lot that she can do,

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Speaker 5: but she does not have full power because she does

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Speaker 5: not have this state legislature. They are Republicans.

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Speaker 1: I just want people to completely understand the situation here.

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Speaker 1: If you can flip the state legislature in Arizona, you

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Speaker 1: can do things like pre school breakfasts for public school kids.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is exactly what happened in Minnesota and Michigan.

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Speaker 5: That is the result of creating democratic power and creating

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Speaker 5: new democratic majorities in a state, and Arizona would be

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Speaker 5: the next one of those.

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Speaker 1: So codify row free school breakfast, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: You'll be able to do that. New Hampshire also has

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Speaker 1: a mixed state house, right.

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Speaker 5: They're all Republicans right now, there's going to be an

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Speaker 5: open governor's race, and the House is an enormous legislative body.

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Speaker 5: It's four hundred people in the New Hampshire House, which

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Speaker 5: is wild given the size of the state. We are

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Speaker 5: really close to a majority there, and I think that

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Speaker 5: the New Hampshire Senate is also going to put up

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Speaker 5: a really good fight as we move through this election. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so New Hampshire, Arizona, those are the greatest places right

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Speaker 5: now to create new majorities.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us your second theory of the case when

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Speaker 1: it comes to preventing super majorities, because that's a really

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Speaker 1: important idea that I don't know that people quite understand.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So using North Carolina as an example to sort

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Speaker 5: of launch us into what the opportunities are in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four. In twenty twenty three, there was a party

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Speaker 5: switcher who gave Republicans the super majority.

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Speaker 1: Ran as a Democrat but changed as soon as she

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Speaker 1: got elected.

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Speaker 5: That's right, she changed over the summer, and that gave

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Speaker 5: Republicans the power to override the governor's veto.

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Speaker 1: There, Christen Cinema, Yes, because the governor is is actually

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Speaker 1: a Democrat.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Governor Cooper. So Governor Cooper in that moment lost

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Speaker 5: the veto pen which meant that all of the abortion

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Speaker 5: bands that had come to his desk he could veto

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Speaker 5: until that moment. And when Republicans gained that power, that

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Speaker 5: ability to override his veto, they moved an abortion ban

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Speaker 5: and he was unable to veto it. So when we

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Speaker 5: think about how to build power in the states, and

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Speaker 5: truly what makes legislative elections and work in the state

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Speaker 5: so interesting is you've got these different levers that you

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Speaker 5: can think about as you're building towards the pinnacle of power,

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Speaker 5: which is a democratic trifectam. So we want to make

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Speaker 5: sure re elected governors in Kansas Governor Kelly and in

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin Governor Evers that they have the veto pun. And

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Speaker 5: then in North Carolina there's an open governor's race. We're

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Speaker 5: going to believe very strongly that we're going to return

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Speaker 5: a governor to North Carolina democratic governor. We want them

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Speaker 5: to come in with that veto pen because the legislature

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Speaker 5: is so harmful under their Republican control. And so that

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Speaker 5: is the how we're wrong by which we are looking

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Right makes a lot of sense New Hampshire, Arizona. And

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Speaker 1: then the three sort of fighting against the supermajority states.

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Speaker 5: Are North Carolina, Kansas, Wisconsin, all.

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Speaker 1: State houses with Democratic governors who are being foiled by

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Speaker 1: Republican state electeds who want to strip them of power. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Heather Williams, thank you so much for joining us. I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I loved it.

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Speaker 6: No moment ou Jesse canon my junk fast. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's like one of Trump's favorite things to do. Is

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Speaker 6: like a little bit of like, let me back out

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Speaker 6: of this dumb thing I did when I realized I'm

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Speaker 6: back into a corner and try to weasel his way

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Speaker 6: out of it with some really inept language.

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Speaker 3: What are you seeing here with that today?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but Trump is king,

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Speaker 1: and so he needs to be able to shoot someone

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Speaker 1: on for the avenue. His supporters already feel that it's

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Speaker 1: not a bad thing perhaps to be doing, but Trump

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Speaker 1: would really like it if the law also let him

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Speaker 1: do that. He's working on it. So that is what

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Speaker 1: Trump is bringing the Supreme Court his reign of kingness.

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Speaker 1: And for that, Donald Trump, considering himself king is our moment. Offucker.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds

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