Speaker 1: I think it's a complete injustice of the world and
Speaker 1: so wholly unfair that someone who can contribute so little
Speaker 1: to this issue can be affected so devastatingly. And I
Speaker 1: see it all the time. You know, people do think
Speaker 1: that it's coming ten years down the road, or you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years down the road. But like we said earlier,
Speaker 1: people are living through it now.
Speaker 2: Fucked.
Speaker 3: Welcome to I'm Fucking the Future. I'm your host, Chris Turney.
Speaker 3: I'm a climate scientist based in Sydney, Australia. I've been
Speaker 3: missearching climate change from the poles to the tropics for
Speaker 3: almost thirty years, and I'll be the first to admit
Speaker 3: that we've royally fucked up our planet. Well, I believe
Speaker 3: that we can still turn things around. That's what this
Speaker 3: show is all about. We'll talk to people making a
Speaker 3: real difference in fighting against global heating, and then how
Speaker 3: we can make a difference too. So let's get started.
Speaker 4: Fucking the future.
Speaker 1: We fight with those who have been forgotten. We fight
Speaker 1: with those who have been neglected, millions of rural people
Speaker 1: who starve feeding the world, people who depend on their
Speaker 1: land for independence, but whose land suffers the effects of
Speaker 1: climate change, not in some near future, but today, people
Speaker 1: who remind me of my mother who once depended on
Speaker 1: that land as well and is now here with me today.
Speaker 3: That's our guest today, Sabrina Elba accepting the Time one
Speaker 3: hundred Impact Award. She and her husband, the actor Idris Elba,
Speaker 3: are you and Goodwill ambassadors. They've been focusing on an
Speaker 3: often overlooked aspect of a climate crisis, the impact on
Speaker 3: the rural of developing world. It's important work for two reasons. First,
Speaker 3: these areas are often the most vulnerable to the effects
Speaker 3: of global heating. And second, these populations have not caused
Speaker 3: the mess we're in. They've produced so little greenhouse eating gases,
Speaker 3: but they've been at the forefront of a climate crisis
Speaker 3: four years.
Speaker 5: It's just not right.
Speaker 3: It's also a personal passion for Sabrina because of her background.
Speaker 3: While she was born in Canada, her family is from
Speaker 3: Somalia in Eastern Africa, and her Somali heritage was a
Speaker 3: big part of her life growing up.
Speaker 1: My mom left in the early eighties, and she says
Speaker 1: she thinks she was one of three Somali people in Canada.
Speaker 1: I cannot guarantee those numbers are cracked, I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's what she says, so we'll take her word for it.
Speaker 1: She came to Canada, she was pregnant with my older sister.
Speaker 1: She had so many dreams, you know, she wanted to
Speaker 1: finish school, she wanted to do all these exciting new
Speaker 1: things that were new to her, obviously being in a
Speaker 1: different country. But she quickly had five kids before she
Speaker 1: knew it. And she was a stay at home mom,
Speaker 1: and I always saw that as powerful because she did
Speaker 1: so many things in one day. I couldn't imagine how
Speaker 1: she could do all these things and you know, drive
Speaker 1: me one place and cook dinner and you know, take
Speaker 1: care of my dad.
Speaker 3: Even though she had a lot on her plate. Sabrina's
Speaker 3: mum marry him, made sure her kids understood their cultural heritage.
Speaker 1: There is a very strong identity attached to the country itself,
Speaker 1: and I carried that with me. You know, the language,
Speaker 1: the food is a big part of it. Family over
Speaker 1: all the time. And I loved it. I loved growing
Speaker 1: up in my Somali Canadian household. And my mom made
Speaker 1: sure that, you know, we understood our culture and went
Speaker 1: back to visit as often as we could. So I
Speaker 1: was super thankful to be growing up two languages and
Speaker 1: two identities, and I think it only made for good,
Speaker 1: you know, conversation, especially in Canada where cultures are welcome.
Speaker 3: It was through her mom's example, but Sabrina found her
Speaker 3: passion for activism.
Speaker 1: She's always been a humanitarian, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: I quite appreciated when I was younger, because she left
Speaker 1: a lot to go help when she could. She'd go
Speaker 1: to Somalia, she started a water project, she'd distribute water
Speaker 1: to rural areas that didn't have much, and she'd, you know,
Speaker 1: she'd help families in whatever way she couldn't. When I
Speaker 1: was younger, I remember thinking, why do you have to
Speaker 1: keep leaving? You know why I can't do you stay
Speaker 1: with us? And when I was younger, I didn't understand
Speaker 1: why she was so passionate, but she always did say,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I want to change, this
Speaker 1: is why I'm doing what I do. I want to
Speaker 1: go back one day and see the beauty that I remember,
Speaker 1: and actually in my advocacy and my humanitarian work. As
Speaker 1: I get older, I start to realize a lot of
Speaker 1: my passions have aligned with hers.
Speaker 3: As a kid, Sabrina's Mum would take her to Somalia
Speaker 3: and what she saw was a country full of pristine,
Speaker 3: natural beauty. But that was changing and fast.
Speaker 1: My visits when I was younger. The difference between visiting
Speaker 1: back then and visiting you know last year was my
Speaker 1: most recent visit. It's astronomically different, just in terms of
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, the weather. You notice a big
Speaker 1: change when we were younger. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: quite noticed it because I only noticed like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Camel's exciting, sad, how exciting. But the older I got
Speaker 1: and the more i'd go back, I'd realize that, you know,
Speaker 1: these people really are trying to rebuild from massive amounts
Speaker 1: of not only physical but cultural destruction.
Speaker 3: Somalia suffers from some of the worst effects of global heating.
Speaker 3: While you might just think that means rising temperatures, the
Speaker 3: situation goes far beyond that, which brings us to our segment.
Speaker 3: Holy fuck. Less than two percent of Somalia is productive farmland. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: that tiny portion generates seventy five percent of the country's economy,
Speaker 3: so that means having productive growing seasons every year is
Speaker 3: critical in Somalia. Unfortunately, Somalia has had five years of drought.
Speaker 3: No rain means no crops, and no crops means famine.
Speaker 3: There's seven point eight million people in Somalia who experience
Speaker 3: food into security, and one point four million of them
Speaker 3: are children under five years old who are suffering from malnutrition.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely heartbreaking. And to make matters even worse, Somalia
Speaker 3: actually did get rain this year, so much rain that
Speaker 3: it's caused catastrophic flooding and displaced more than seven hundred
Speaker 3: thousand people. The country is experiencing one climate extreme event
Speaker 3: after another. This kind of crisis has another terrifying side effect.
Speaker 3: It creates political instability and enables violent extremism. And that's
Speaker 3: exactly what's happening in Somalia. The country is in the
Speaker 3: middle of a decade long civil war between the federal
Speaker 3: government and al Qaeda aligned militants. The causes of a
Speaker 3: what are complex, but the climate crisis is contributing to
Speaker 3: famine and therefore to the political instability. It's just one
Speaker 3: example of the enormous and far reaching impacts of global heating. Okay,
Speaker 3: back to Sabrina. As she discovered, but climate crisis is
Speaker 3: not just about bad weather. It creates a risk of
Speaker 3: war and of cultural destruction.
Speaker 1: We do think of it as being a sole an
Speaker 1: environmental issue, but we also forget that it's happening right
Speaker 1: now in a lot of places, and we're seeing more
Speaker 1: and more climate conflict. On one hand, you have the
Speaker 1: idea of whole areas being underwater as some future type
Speaker 1: thing where you can imagine communities might be lost and
Speaker 1: cultures might be lost, and that haunts me. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, you're seeing real conflicts, and conflict can
Speaker 1: lead to very real things like genocides and and other
Speaker 1: horrendous things where you see other beautiful cultures and peoples
Speaker 1: potentially wiped out. We forget that there are rural people
Speaker 1: all over the world who are not only suffering the
Speaker 1: impacts of climate change now, but are really extremely vulnerable
Speaker 1: to worsening effects or maybe things we haven't even thought
Speaker 1: of down the road.
Speaker 3: So Somalia and other rural communities are experiencing some of
Speaker 3: the worst impacts of a climate crisis, and maybe the
Speaker 3: most gut wrenching parties that it's not their fault. It's
Speaker 3: rich developed economies for the pumped out a vast majority
Speaker 3: of pollution that is causing global heating.
Speaker 1: It's a complete injustice of the world and so wholly
Speaker 1: unfair that someone who can contribute so little to this
Speaker 1: issue can be affected so devastatingly. And I see it
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, people do think that it's
Speaker 1: coming ten years down the road, or you know, twenty
Speaker 1: years down the road. But like we said earlier, people
Speaker 1: are living through it now. People are being affected now
Speaker 1: and also feeling that injustice. You know, we're not just
Speaker 1: talking about crops or livestock. We're talking about people's lives
Speaker 1: when we're talking about loss and damages. And you know,
Speaker 1: I find it hard to find an argument against.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to pause right there on that concept
Speaker 3: loss and damages. It's a hot topic in the environmental
Speaker 3: community right now, and it brings us to a segment
Speaker 3: we call what the.
Speaker 5: Fuck are you talking about? What the fucking you target about?
Speaker 3: Across the world, we are all trying to figure out
Speaker 3: how to adapt to the climate crisis. In the United States,
Speaker 3: the government recently passed the Inflation Reduction Act. This historic
Speaker 3: bill contains at least four hundred billion dollars in climate
Speaker 3: related spending. That's billion with a B. And this is
Speaker 3: a great thing because Transitioning to clean energy and mitigating
Speaker 3: the impacts of a hotter world is going to be expensive,
Speaker 3: so this money is going to be really helpful. But
Speaker 3: here's the thing, not every country has that kind of money.
Speaker 3: To use Somoli as an example, their whole GDP is
Speaker 3: only about eleven and billion dollars. To match the investment
Speaker 3: of the Inflation Reduction Act adjusted for population, Somalia would
Speaker 3: still have to spend roughly seven years of their entire
Speaker 3: economic output or for a problem they didn't even cause.
Speaker 3: This has led to an effort to make rich countries
Speaker 3: like the US compensate poorer countries for the losses and
Speaker 3: damages caused by the climate crisis, and this could go
Speaker 3: a long way in helping these poorer countries recover from
Speaker 3: these crises and adapt to a hotter world. If we
Speaker 3: want place is like Somalia to continue to exist, we're
Speaker 3: going to need to pay up for the harm we've caused.
Speaker 3: And that's what the fuck we're talking about. What the
Speaker 3: fuck are you're talking about? Sabrina believes that paying loss
Speaker 3: and damages to poorer countries is the absolute least we
Speaker 3: can do to make things right.
Speaker 1: So much of the narrative in so many different parts
Speaker 1: of the world has become about there's lots of talk
Speaker 1: about migrant issues and oh, who's welcome and who's not welcome?
Speaker 1: But why do people leave? You know, so many people
Speaker 1: wouldn't have left Somalia if there wasn't conflicts. So people
Speaker 1: leave because there's a reason they can't stay. And if
Speaker 1: more frequently that's becoming climate we're causing in the global north.
Speaker 1: How are we then going to turn around and say, well,
Speaker 1: we're sorry that your homeland is getting destroyed. There's no
Speaker 1: opportunities there because of either drought or family or whatever flooding,
Speaker 1: but no, you can't come in here either. It's a
Speaker 1: very kind of ignorant way of thinking when we don't
Speaker 1: think holistically about issues. So I hope that people look
Speaker 1: at issues like the ones that we're talking about as
Speaker 1: global issues rather than a them problem versus an US problem.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's something we're seeing more and more. Climate change
Speaker 3: knows no borders. When the climate changed in the past,
Speaker 3: you moved. But nowadays we have these pesky borders and
Speaker 3: they're limiting movement and opportunities for people affected by climate change.
Speaker 3: The UN International Organization for migration says that as many
Speaker 3: as one billion people will be environmental migrants in the
Speaker 3: next thirty years. The question is not whether this will happen,
Speaker 3: but how we will respond to it. So far, the
Speaker 3: reaction for countries that have caused for climate crisis, and
Speaker 3: I should mention for countries that have historically benefited from migrants,
Speaker 3: has been to make migration difficult for people seeking safety.
Speaker 3: But I also want to point out that climate migration
Speaker 3: isn't just an international issue. Even in the United States,
Speaker 3: people are leaving low lying and fire prone areas for
Speaker 3: places with stronger climate resilience, but that doesn't change that
Speaker 3: the global self is facing the harshest symptoms of climate change,
Speaker 3: and we're seeing a huge number of migrants fleeing their
Speaker 3: homelands because of climate related issues, and those numbers are
Speaker 3: only increasing. But migration doesn't have to be the only solution,
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be. People shouldn't be forced to flee
Speaker 3: their homeland, and so right now we need to help
Speaker 3: support resiliency efforts in the areas but they're on the
Speaker 3: front lines of a climate crisis.
Speaker 1: We also put this I think expectation on rural communities
Speaker 1: to scale up to the same way that the global
Speaker 1: North can, and to move quick to change over to
Speaker 1: renewable energies when it's like they you know, it takes time.
Speaker 1: It takes time. How are you expected to to fight
Speaker 1: climate change if you can't you don't even have an
Speaker 1: accurate reading device or the weather. You know, like simple
Speaker 1: technologies to adapt to changing climate are so important, but
Speaker 1: even these technologies are so underfunded for rural people. How
Speaker 1: can we put these expectations on people.
Speaker 4: We're on fucking the future. We're on fucking the future.
Speaker 3: The good news is there are people working hard to
Speaker 3: solve this problem. Loss and damages was a big issue
Speaker 3: at a recent COP twenty eight climate summit, and I
Speaker 3: was slightly relieved to see several wealthy countries put up
Speaker 3: money for the Loss and Damage Fund, but their contributions
Speaker 3: amounted to less than half a percent of what is needed.
Speaker 3: I'm a hopeful person, but honestly, really it's a drop
Speaker 3: in the ocean, which is why we have to focus
Speaker 3: on the many different avenues and approaches to solving for
Speaker 3: global saff's climate crisis.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 3: Sabrin has been working with e FAD, the International Fund
Speaker 3: for Agricultural Development is a UN agency that focuses on
Speaker 3: projects related to agriculture and rural communities.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that I would ever be doing
Speaker 1: work in agriculture. I mean, if someone said that to me,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't, well, what are you talking about? But
Speaker 1: there might have been maybe a couple of things about
Speaker 1: my identity and my beliefs that I shared with my
Speaker 1: husband that kind of influenced us to work with EFAD
Speaker 1: in the first place. And one of those was that
Speaker 1: we looked at the AID model and the general aid model,
Speaker 1: and I, look, there's a time and place for AID.
Speaker 1: I think it's super important, but I do think it
Speaker 1: can be really shortsighted if you're offering a band aid
Speaker 1: over a band aid over a band aid, not really
Speaker 1: getting to the root cause of an issue. And when
Speaker 1: I learned about the work that EFAD was doing and
Speaker 1: how they not only teach people how to live off
Speaker 1: the land they live on by providing them with education
Speaker 1: around agriculture and giving them a sense of entrepreneurship as
Speaker 1: well as food security, I was blown away because I
Speaker 1: realized that that model was meant to actually make people
Speaker 1: more independent rather than on an agency. And I thought Wow,
Speaker 1: what a great model. You know. It goes to show
Speaker 1: that actually the majority of impoverished people live in rural communities,
Speaker 1: and what they do have is land, and in that
Speaker 1: land is opportunity.
Speaker 3: Places that aren't economically developed often have large regions of
Speaker 3: unspoilt land, forests and important natural resources.
Speaker 1: They're also technically the custodians of this planet. Imagine the
Speaker 1: potential if they were given the appropriate tools and education
Speaker 1: and investment that they deserve, because it is an investment
Speaker 1: in ourselves, particularly when you translate that to the climate conversation,
Speaker 1: because then you're talking about people who are protecting the
Speaker 1: biodiversity of areas, who are adapting communities to the climate
Speaker 1: changes that are happening in real time.
Speaker 3: Sabrina's witnessed firsthand for benefits of empowering rural communities in
Speaker 3: the fight against global heating, and it gives a hope.
Speaker 1: I'll never hear this image of this swamp land in
Speaker 1: sire Leone that was converted into rice farms, and seeing
Speaker 1: them before and after, I could not believe that nine
Speaker 1: that was so degradated and so turned into this like,
Speaker 1: you know, massive community with women farming. And I always
Speaker 1: thought that was so amazing, and it just goes to
Speaker 1: show like even things like land degredation, like we need
Speaker 1: rural people to restore the world through nature based solutions.
Speaker 1: Nature based solutions are such a big part of it.
Speaker 1: And who else is going to protect these areas? Like
Speaker 1: I said that, the genuine custodians of our planet rural people.
Speaker 1: And I'm endlessly amazed, endlessly amazed, and also endlessly touched.
Speaker 1: I think seeing programs change people's lives with such simple
Speaker 1: technology and such simple you know, climate resilien seeds for instance,
Speaker 1: or you know, different kinds of fertilizers, it just makes
Speaker 1: a huge, huge difference in people's lives. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's really what it's about.
Speaker 3: After some time working with EFAT on their projects with
Speaker 3: agricultural communities for you and approach Sabrina and about becoming
Speaker 3: official good Will ambassadors. It was a surreal moment, especially
Speaker 3: because her mother had connected her with EPHAD in the
Speaker 3: first place.
Speaker 1: I remember calling my mom and being like, mom, they've
Speaker 1: asked me to be an ambassador. It's so cool. And
Speaker 1: the first ambassadors that they've had on this scale, and
Speaker 1: actually the first couple ever asked to be new and
Speaker 1: good Will ambassadors, which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Serving as good Will ambassadors has given Sabrina and Idris
Speaker 3: a totally new platform to raise awareness about the challenges
Speaker 3: rural communities are facing. And one of the ways they've
Speaker 3: been using at platform is to empower women and girls
Speaker 3: in these communities.
Speaker 1: So the ties between gender and agriculture became so intertwined
Speaker 1: for me in a way that I didn't know that
Speaker 1: I just it became so much of my passion to
Speaker 1: see that women are historically at a disadvantage and that's
Speaker 1: amplified and sort of, you know, made extreme when you're
Speaker 1: in situations around climate because you realize if you already
Speaker 1: at a dispantage and you're trying to get land rights
Speaker 1: or access to finance, it only makes it harder for
Speaker 1: you to adapt or make the changes you need to change.
Speaker 1: And EFAT does a lot of work in gender and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's all of these different touch points
Speaker 1: that they've been able to expand their work into that
Speaker 1: really made me passionate about the work they that they do.
Speaker 1: Once people understand by empowering women or girls, you empower
Speaker 1: a community, you actually see communities buy into it because
Speaker 1: it works, and a lot of them field visits I do,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, no shade to men, but men
Speaker 1: are often in the city at the bars, and I
Speaker 1: see women in the fields you just do, with babies
Speaker 1: on their back or children on their back, farming all day,
Speaker 1: sending their kids to school, and not spending the money
Speaker 1: you know, at a bar on their friends, but at
Speaker 1: home and building their home and building women around them.
Speaker 1: And women give back, you know, in a way that's
Speaker 1: so much more community led than men do. That the
Speaker 1: statistically true, and I think, look, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: It just means we just need to empower women.
Speaker 3: Women make up nearly half an agricultural labor force in
Speaker 3: developing countries. They're often also the ones who actually have
Speaker 3: to feed their families, but as farmers, they have lower
Speaker 3: yields on their land than men, and that's because of
Speaker 3: unequal access to resources like fertilizer, credit and good quality land.
Speaker 3: One UN study found that if women who were afforded
Speaker 3: the same access as men, their agricultural yields would increase
Speaker 3: by up to thirty percent. This could even reduce world
Speaker 3: hunger by twelve to seventeen percent. That would mean pulling
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million people out of hunger. That's
Speaker 3: a population in Mexico and Australia combined.
Speaker 1: If you empower women, they'll be able to do that,
Speaker 1: you know. So food security, if we're empowering women, they'll
Speaker 1: help feed their families. And it's been shown and proven
Speaker 1: time and time again. If you support women and girls,
Speaker 1: you change communities, you change countries, and I feel the
Speaker 1: world really needs to step up to that. ePAT is
Speaker 1: doing its part, and that's where I'm hopeful is there
Speaker 1: are amazing programs. There are such amazing grassroots programs, and
Speaker 1: e FAT does go through government to support grassroots projects
Speaker 1: as well, and so there are all of these different
Speaker 1: ways to support rural women and girls. It's just about
Speaker 1: the funding. The funding isn't there. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: food security funding or climate funding even and of itself,
Speaker 1: only one percent goes to something like adaptation, which is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest hurdles of your community.
Speaker 4: We're on fucking the future. We're on fucking the future.
Speaker 3: One of the big takeaways from this conversation, and I
Speaker 3: imagine a lot of the conversations will have on this show,
Speaker 3: is that it's not always technical fixes that will help
Speaker 3: us unfuck the future. One big discovery in the lab
Speaker 3: of the newest startup is not going to get us
Speaker 3: out of this mess on its own. It's about how
Speaker 3: we live as a society, and in this case, it
Speaker 3: means giving rural communities for resources they need to thrive,
Speaker 3: not just survive. Rural people deserve to be compensated for
Speaker 3: the losses and damages caused by the climate crisis, and
Speaker 3: by investing specifically in rural girls and women, we can
Speaker 3: make progress on climate issues as well as related problems
Speaker 3: like food insecurity. But those are big government level solutions.
Speaker 3: So what can we do as individuals sitting at home
Speaker 3: listening to its podcast.
Speaker 1: One of the most important things that we can do
Speaker 1: is use our voices. And I say that a lot
Speaker 1: because the conversation around food systems and rural people and
Speaker 1: climate it needs to be sort of frontline. Like I
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm looking at headlines and we're flooded with information
Speaker 1: that feels so, look, if we're not talking about our survival,
Speaker 1: which is really what it is as a human race,
Speaker 1: then I don't see why we would be talking about
Speaker 1: anything else. But I think conversation is so important. I
Speaker 1: think you inspire change by being the change that you
Speaker 1: want to be. If you're mindful of these issues, other
Speaker 1: people will be inspired, and then maybe that'll lead to
Speaker 1: more people reaching out to their leader. It's more people
Speaker 1: voting and also kind of understanding and being able to
Speaker 1: combat the misinformation that's thrown at us all the time.
Speaker 1: I always say, being a You and Goodble ambassador is
Speaker 1: about access. It's about speaking with voices who can't get
Speaker 1: into the rooms that I'm so fortunate to be able
Speaker 1: to have access to. People want their stories shared, people
Speaker 1: want their struggles shared, because you see change when people
Speaker 1: galvanize together. And I said, unless we have these conversations,
Speaker 1: So using your voice, I would say, is the most
Speaker 1: important thing.
Speaker 3: And it's it's a face to be almost like stories.
Speaker 3: We're telling our stories and that's how we relate to
Speaker 3: one another, isn't it with physically with storytellers, the.
Speaker 1: Shortest distance between two people as a story. I heard
Speaker 1: that somewhere. It's not my own quote.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was always which brings us to
Speaker 3: how we can help Maggie bed take it away?
Speaker 4: What fuck can I do?
Speaker 3: Maggie? What did you take away from my discussion with Sabrina.
Speaker 6: So Sabrina isn't only a U and Goodwill ambassador, She's
Speaker 6: also the European board chair of an organization known as
Speaker 6: Global Citizen, an organization I also know and love. Global Citizen,
Speaker 6: also known as Global Poverty Project, is an international education
Speaker 6: and advocacy organization that seeks to catalyze the movement to
Speaker 6: end extreme poverty and promote social justice and equity through
Speaker 6: the lens of intersectionality. My kids, Billy and Phineas, have
Speaker 6: been big supporters of Global Citizen, performed in the amazing
Speaker 6: concerts Safe Given, and just really try to lend their
Speaker 6: support to incredible work that Global Citizen does to get
Speaker 6: people involved to take action that is effective in so
Speaker 6: many ways, and anyone can join Global Citizens for free.
Speaker 6: Once you're part of their network, they'll bring you different
Speaker 6: actions that you can take to fight global poverty and
Speaker 6: defend the planet, because of course, poverty and climate change
Speaker 6: are inextricably entwined. Some of the actions they recommend are
Speaker 6: super easy, like tweeting at government officials, for example, which
Speaker 6: is actually very effective. But they'll also connect you with
Speaker 6: opportunities to march, to volunteer, and to be part of
Speaker 6: a community, because you know, to be clear, it's maybe
Speaker 6: not quite enough to send emails and tweets. Like Adam
Speaker 6: McKay told us last episode, we need to show up
Speaker 6: in real life, not just on social media. I mean,
Speaker 6: social media is great, but Global Citizen is a great
Speaker 6: platform to start your journey into climate action and then
Speaker 6: find like minded people who care about this issue just
Speaker 6: as much as you do. You can sign up at
Speaker 6: global citizen dot org.
Speaker 3: That's brilliant, Maggie, And let's say thanks for the great idea.
Speaker 3: It's all about being a global citizen and one community
Speaker 3: and for everyone listening out there, that's what the fuck
Speaker 3: you can do?
Speaker 4: What the fuck can I do?
Speaker 3: Well, look, thank you again, Sabrina, just for joining us
Speaker 3: on the show. It's so grateful for all your time
Speaker 3: and helping us understand the urgent work that needs to
Speaker 3: be done to support our communities, not just in Somalia
Speaker 3: and in Africa, but but around the world.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's been brilliant talking to you.
Speaker 1: No, it's been such a pleasure. Thank you for having me,
Speaker 1: and thank you for doing the working that you do.
Speaker 1: I mean you are spreading awareness and conversations in every episode,
Speaker 1: so thank you.
Speaker 4: Oh fucked.
Speaker 3: That's all for this episode. Next time I'm Fucking the Future,
Speaker 3: we'll be talking with Tom Steyer. He went from investing
Speaker 3: in the coal and oil industries to leading the fight
Speaker 3: for clean climate.
Speaker 5: Friend the investments, well.
Speaker 2: You know, capitalism scales, profitability scales. It's somewhat cynical of
Speaker 2: me to say, but unfortunately I think it's realistic for
Speaker 2: me to also say. Altruism doesn't scale. It's capitalism can
Speaker 2: be good. Capitalism is basically, we're going to produce what
Speaker 2: you want so you'll pay us money. That's capitalism, Like,
Speaker 2: you tell us what you want and we'll produce it
Speaker 2: if you'll pay us for it. And the idea is okay,
Speaker 2: So my self interest is to produce something you want.
Speaker 5: You're just gonna get whatever you want.
Speaker 2: You tell me and I'll make it.
Speaker 3: How can you make a mint while saving a world?
Speaker 3: You'll have to tune in to find out. Until then,
Speaker 3: I'm Chris Turney signing off from Sydney, Australia.
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining me in Unfucking the Future.
Speaker 4: Weird Fucking the Future.
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Speaker 3: The show is written by Meredith Bryan. I'm Fucking the
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