Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special guys. What's up with your Brodie with
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you something I never
Speaker 1: told him back. I want to smoke. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: another edition of All the Smoke. My brother Jack, what's up, bro?
Speaker 1: We got my man, Brandon Marshall, thirteen year in the
Speaker 1: NFL VET. I want to teut your horn a little bit, bro,
Speaker 1: six time pro bowler, uh all pro, only one of
Speaker 1: six players to catch a hundred balls in three consecutive
Speaker 1: seasons in the most yards ever without playing in a
Speaker 1: postseason game. That park only got to hurt a little bit. Huh,
Speaker 1: you do so good? No, but I want to talk
Speaker 1: because because you killed I mean, I mean, damn near
Speaker 1: twelve thousand, five hundred yards, but you didn't get a
Speaker 1: chair us to play in the playoffs. And obviously, looking back,
Speaker 1: we're all retired now, and looking back, you kind of
Speaker 1: look back and some of the most prominent things to
Speaker 1: me stick out our playoffs. How tough was it for
Speaker 1: you never to get over that hump. You know what.
Speaker 1: The first half of my career, it was all about me,
Speaker 1: and you know it was you know, everything I thought
Speaker 1: about was like how can I take care of my family?
Speaker 1: And I would say the first year of my career,
Speaker 1: I was out there having fun. I was excited. And
Speaker 1: then once I saw the guys around me, you know,
Speaker 1: living the way they were and taking care of their people,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when it shifted for me, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a real business, and my mind shifted to business.
Speaker 1: But it was from a selfish standpoint. And once I
Speaker 1: got that contract and it was the biggest contract at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position in NFL history when I went
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins in two thousand and eleven, two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten, excuse me, um, then I started thinking about team.
Speaker 1: Like me, I always thought like, oh if our ball,
Speaker 1: then the team's gonna be better. But like I literally
Speaker 1: thought every single day, like I want to win the championship.
Speaker 1: I want that confetti coming down on me. You know,
Speaker 1: I started thinking about the big picture. Uh So it was.
Speaker 1: It drove me the second half of my career and
Speaker 1: it kept me up so many nights, bro and and
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm proud of my career, but it
Speaker 1: is one of those things like damn, like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: live the rest of my life, you know, that's that's tough,
Speaker 1: but like I'm built for it, right because like it came.
Speaker 1: It came a point in my life where I realized, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, football doesn't define me. And but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I consider myself an ultimate competitor
Speaker 1: and I know how bad I wanted it and it
Speaker 1: didn't happen that that was the one goal that I
Speaker 1: wasn't able to accomplish. Like I wanted to have a
Speaker 1: hundred catchers this season. I wanted to go to the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. It's like when I put my mind to something,
Speaker 1: it just happened. So like not thinking to the playoffs
Speaker 1: or the Super Bowl. It's like how did how does
Speaker 1: that not happen? So it is tough. You're gonna do.
Speaker 1: You want to could do so much. You know, as
Speaker 1: as a receiver, especially in football, you it's a team sport.
Speaker 1: You need everybody to have that same passion. Even with basketball,
Speaker 1: you need everybody to be on the same page. And
Speaker 1: football is more guys out there. You might have, but
Speaker 1: eight guys going to hunting a hunting in Tampa Center.
Speaker 1: You've got two guys just just just half ass, and
Speaker 1: so you need everybody had that same mentality to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, just like an NBA one hundred percent bro. Like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if I agree with
Speaker 1: you there. I always felt like in basketball, one or
Speaker 1: two guys can they dictate the success of the entire team,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I always felt even when I was
Speaker 1: when I grew up playing basketball au I was like, man,
Speaker 1: if I if I just go drop thirty forty right now,
Speaker 1: we're good and play lights out on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: So I was always my mentality. Obviously I didn't think
Speaker 1: it's the league. I didn't even play in college, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. But in football, man, it's like even
Speaker 1: at the receiver position, like you said, that could be
Speaker 1: really good at the wide receiver position. But if my
Speaker 1: quarterback stick then my career I'm staying offensive hoarder he
Speaker 1: can't dial it up, then I'm not gonna be Look
Speaker 1: at Odell Beckham Jr. That's a example the last three years,
Speaker 1: and that's you can't get the ball. So why is
Speaker 1: why is? Why is my numbers better than his at
Speaker 1: his point in his career, when he's the better receiver,
Speaker 1: he's the better athlete. M I think you made a
Speaker 1: great point when we came on your show, um Man,
Speaker 1: maybe a month ago, and and you and Jack were
Speaker 1: very similar from this standpoint, and you had a hard
Speaker 1: time Like wins obviously were great, but you guys took
Speaker 1: losses hard, and you took losses a lot harder than
Speaker 1: other people, and you would have a problem with sometimes,
Speaker 1: but guys just kind of being able to shake losses off.
Speaker 1: Explained where that competitive nature came from. Uh, comes from
Speaker 1: where I'm where I'm from. You know, I'm from Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and East Liberty, the east side of town. It's
Speaker 1: the poorest city and supported porest county in Pennsylvania. Uh
Speaker 1: So for me, you know, one, Pittsburgh, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's football country. In two it's a way
Speaker 1: of life. Right So like literally that was my life.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a game. It was never a game for me,
Speaker 1: like playing free for all in the in the parking
Speaker 1: lot on concrete, like it was you always serious, literally
Speaker 1: it was serious. So for me, I never had that
Speaker 1: that switch where it was like, Okay, when I go
Speaker 1: on the field, I can turn it on, but when
Speaker 1: I get off, the turn it off. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why I struggled so much earlier in my career
Speaker 1: because it was all personal. And even till I retired,
Speaker 1: it was always personal. I was like, Yo, this is
Speaker 1: not a game for me, this is my life. It
Speaker 1: saved my life. It changed the people around me, and
Speaker 1: and and so like, no, I'm not out here just
Speaker 1: to put a jersey. I'm not just out here just
Speaker 1: to you know, get a bag, like I'm out here
Speaker 1: to really, like you know, like this is this is
Speaker 1: everything for me. Yeah, you said something interesting. Earlier. I
Speaker 1: thought I was the only one. But you guys played
Speaker 1: tackle football in the street the contrete When he was
Speaker 1: younger too, we used to play that. We used to
Speaker 1: play that ship in the street. Like we used to
Speaker 1: play tackle football in the street and people are just
Speaker 1: like you did what I'm like, not for real. We
Speaker 1: used to tackle each other because we had no grass
Speaker 1: to play on. That's what we played at well, hold
Speaker 1: on what we we We did the same thing in
Speaker 1: the South, Matt but one thing we did we had
Speaker 1: grass on the sidewik so we only tackled when it
Speaker 1: was by the curb. Was yeah, yeah, yeah, we already
Speaker 1: talked about the curb. We we we was we was
Speaker 1: tackling in the street. But when you we were smart
Speaker 1: enough to where it's like, okay, let me get next
Speaker 1: to the curb. So if they do, I like that,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. On the South, man, really good football in
Speaker 1: the South. Yeah. So, uh, high school, you lettered in
Speaker 1: three sports. Uh, tell me how track and basketball helped
Speaker 1: you be one of the most dynamic receivers. Uh in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, so everything when I was six, I
Speaker 1: just talked to somebody earlier about this. We got a
Speaker 1: couple of young cats that opted out. That's training out
Speaker 1: of facility right now, and I was telling us, like, man,
Speaker 1: everything that I did from the age of six was
Speaker 1: about making it to the NFL. Like literally, watching the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Stealers played, sitting there in the living room, I
Speaker 1: was telling my mom like, yo, Bobby Bobby Brister, Bobby Foster, um,
Speaker 1: like you know, like I should be running the ball
Speaker 1: right now. Like I literally thought at the age of
Speaker 1: seven that I could go pick up that first down
Speaker 1: or make that touchdown. Like my mindset was just it
Speaker 1: was probably aniotic back then, but that was that was,
Speaker 1: That's what it was. So when I got to high school,
Speaker 1: everything I did was like how do I get better
Speaker 1: as a as a football player. So track track was
Speaker 1: about speed, Like I wasn't the fastest guy ever and
Speaker 1: and and in high school I was actually super slow
Speaker 1: because like I had two gross firs my freshman year,
Speaker 1: I shot up to six four or six too. And
Speaker 1: then my softore I shot at the sixth four, so
Speaker 1: I was still adjusting to my body. So I was slow.
Speaker 1: I went from a dominant little league player to high school,
Speaker 1: you know, not really putting it all together. And track
Speaker 1: helped me there. And I end up winning state my
Speaker 1: senior year in the triple jump, competed in the high jump,
Speaker 1: went to state, and also to long jump and ranting
Speaker 1: three hundred hurdles. And I could have went to play
Speaker 1: when not playing, I couldn't run, but I could have,
Speaker 1: you know, did the field events at the next level.
Speaker 1: Basketball for me, I like basketball is my first love
Speaker 1: when it comes to sport, not like you know, like
Speaker 1: whop dreams type first love. But when I talk about
Speaker 1: when you talk about playing the game and competing, I
Speaker 1: get more angry and basketball than I did do football
Speaker 1: still to this day, right, Like I love basketball, bro,
Speaker 1: Like you know something about the game. It's a beautiful
Speaker 1: game and it's like there's so many moving parts to it,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I loved it number one, But
Speaker 1: number two, I always felt like it was another way
Speaker 1: to be conditioned. There was another way to help me
Speaker 1: develop as a wide receiver. Like being able to you know,
Speaker 1: develop my game above the rim helped me catch the
Speaker 1: ball deep. Like I never was a d threat, so
Speaker 1: like I literally would go in the gym and just
Speaker 1: catch AliOS, just but picturing catching a post route football
Speaker 1: picturing and like utilizing that in the rid zone when
Speaker 1: I got to the league. That that's how we that's
Speaker 1: how we would approach it. Like they would literally tell me,
Speaker 1: Brandon going to the league and going to RIDDS, don't
Speaker 1: be a basketball player. Box out. That's doughe I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm the exact I'm the same, but the opposite, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, although I played fifteen years in the NBA,
Speaker 1: my love is football, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: and it's crazy and I always thought, like what would
Speaker 1: have happened if I would have gave it a chance,
Speaker 1: you know, because being sixth aide and really being able
Speaker 1: to play it would have been a blessing. So we're
Speaker 1: on the exact opposite sides of we we made a
Speaker 1: career out of something, but our favorite sport with the
Speaker 1: other sport. That's right. But do people really know that story? Man?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was shocked to here that you know,
Speaker 1: you were one of the best wide receivers in in
Speaker 1: in football and at the country level. That's crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't think you really know that. Well, you gotta think too,
Speaker 1: with us being a little bit older. This is back
Speaker 1: in the nineties seven, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: there wasn't really no you know, there wasn't no phones,
Speaker 1: there wasn't no social media. You just you gotta get
Speaker 1: old film. And I'm working on a documentary right now
Speaker 1: of of you know, a particular part of my uh
Speaker 1: my high school life, and that they shot me a
Speaker 1: bunch of film and me playing football highlights to me
Speaker 1: playing football the other day and I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 1: had these one handed diving catches and going through people,
Speaker 1: over people, all this kind of ship. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of excited to show the world because, like you said,
Speaker 1: most people don't know because, like I said, there was
Speaker 1: no real interaction with everyone. Remember back then when we
Speaker 1: were growing up, Like you didn't know about knowing until
Speaker 1: you played against them, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: why it wasn't for you, Like there wasn't no scouting
Speaker 1: or friends on the other side of the country, like
Speaker 1: we right when we right into each other. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: you know the couple of magazines they have, but when
Speaker 1: you ran into somebody, it was the first time you
Speaker 1: really had seen him or played against him, because there
Speaker 1: was no really way to see them on the internet yet,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. It's crazy now, how you know
Speaker 1: we're so connected worldwide with this, that's crazy. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: how is COVID has been treating you and your family?
Speaker 1: I know you're still able to work, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: but how has it affected you and your family if
Speaker 1: it has it all? Yeah, first and foremost, we're all healthy.
Speaker 1: We're good. So from you know, my wife and kids,
Speaker 1: got three kids, and my mom, my dad, brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: Everybody's good. Everybody's still here. Um, there's been some people
Speaker 1: around me that's been extremely affected. I mean, all of
Speaker 1: us have been affected, but for us to still be here.
Speaker 1: It's a blessing during these crazy times. But as far
Speaker 1: as like covid Man, I just took this time to
Speaker 1: really just fall back and figure out like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: let me put in do I have the right systems
Speaker 1: and processes in place to build what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do post career. Um. So I was moving, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred miles per hour. We were having a lot
Speaker 1: of success with House of Athlete, breaking mortar and supplement line,
Speaker 1: and you know, this gave me the time to build
Speaker 1: it so I don't break, you know, three or four
Speaker 1: years from now. So you know, I'm really appreciative of
Speaker 1: this time to really fall back. I kept our whole
Speaker 1: team on on you know, together we have around like
Speaker 1: fifty employees, and I just sat everybody down. I said,
Speaker 1: here's the here's the goal. When we get out of this,
Speaker 1: can come out stronger. Make sure that we have the
Speaker 1: foundation in place. I want this thing to scale. This
Speaker 1: is where I'm trying to do three years from now.
Speaker 1: So I took it on this end right now. Pay
Speaker 1: everybody's salaries, and I said, look, I want to see
Speaker 1: systems and procedures I want to see on boarding process,
Speaker 1: make sure the HR department is built right. I want
Speaker 1: to see the sales process. I want to see operations.
Speaker 1: I want to see our meeting cycle. How are we
Speaker 1: going to meet? What's our goal for? What's our goal for?
Speaker 1: What is the what is the themes of our quarters?
Speaker 1: Like we really broke everything down and now we're in
Speaker 1: perfect position to really scale for that's dope. I love
Speaker 1: that we'll explain to us what house of the athlete is.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see the logo behind you. Explain to
Speaker 1: our viewers and fans what it is. Well, look, man,
Speaker 1: we're the healthiest people on the planet. When you look
Speaker 1: at the right, like it's at four point five trillion
Speaker 1: dollar industry and we don't participate, right, Like everybody built
Speaker 1: their companies off of our lifestyle. Yo, Matt Brandon, Like,
Speaker 1: we need you guys to do this. Hold up this product. Yes,
Speaker 1: things that we take and the things that we may
Speaker 1: use and do, but like, no one has ever scaled
Speaker 1: athletic performance for the gym pop and when you look
Speaker 1: at the healthiest athletes in the world, we do these
Speaker 1: five things and we do it every single day. Is
Speaker 1: part of our routine. We train, we have to be
Speaker 1: in physical shape. Right, So that's a part of it.
Speaker 1: And and and you know there's a way of doing that. Um.
Speaker 1: The second thing is fuel, We fuel correctly. You gotta
Speaker 1: be able to understand where a healthy veggie is, a
Speaker 1: healthy protein, and healthy car a healthy fat. You gotta
Speaker 1: track your macro nutrients. You gotta understand supplementation. We know
Speaker 1: that we want to get all of our food through
Speaker 1: I mean all of our are nutrients through food, but
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible. So that's where the supplement line came in.
Speaker 1: That were mentally fit. But that is this tricky one
Speaker 1: because as a professional athlete, like one day you could
Speaker 1: be on the side of impairment, dealing with anxiety, depression
Speaker 1: or just how stress you could lose the game, right,
Speaker 1: you can win the game. So now we're looking at
Speaker 1: you know, high performance and just you know, how do
Speaker 1: I get more out of my brain more out of
Speaker 1: my body. So we gotta have a plan for both.
Speaker 1: And that's what we see the top athletes do, Like
Speaker 1: we find the way we figure out it. What you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on with our mindset. The fourth thing is recovery.
Speaker 1: Like like there's a lot of people man deal with
Speaker 1: an MC l injury or some type of ankle injury
Speaker 1: and their sideline for a year or even or they
Speaker 1: may stop all physical activity. Was a professional athlete, We're
Speaker 1: back on the court or on the field in two
Speaker 1: three weeks, so quick right now, no crutches. We just
Speaker 1: had a niece and you're back in ten days playing,
Speaker 1: So you know, recovery is create key. And then the
Speaker 1: last thing is his team is tried and and that's
Speaker 1: like none of us got to the top by ourselves.
Speaker 1: There always was somebody or a few people to help
Speaker 1: us get there. So community is key. So that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Man. We're going to scale athletic performance to
Speaker 1: the gym pop in the wellness and wellness space will
Speaker 1: open up forty three facilities and the biggest economies in
Speaker 1: the world. And in our supplement line. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this suppletment line to be a two hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: revenue generator in two years. And we're also launching apparel,
Speaker 1: just a performance line to compete with the Lulu limits
Speaker 1: of the world. So we're super excited about it. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of attention. Um, It's something I've been
Speaker 1: doing since two thousand and twelve and now that i'm
Speaker 1: you know, owner, operator and lead in a way the
Speaker 1: last year and a half, you know something I'm excited about.
Speaker 1: I think that's really dope. We don't hear enough about
Speaker 1: this side of us because we all have different things
Speaker 1: we're into. But you only hear the typical stuff for
Speaker 1: the bad stuff, but you never hear how we're trying
Speaker 1: to better our communities and and like you're opening doors
Speaker 1: for people in your in your neighborhoods quote unquote. So
Speaker 1: I think that's the beautiful thing man in best of
Speaker 1: luck with that. Appreciate it, man, I think thank you.
Speaker 1: I remember when you first retired, Um, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a few stories about you, and then one of
Speaker 1: the things that I you know, caught my eyes like
Speaker 1: there's something different about this dude, because like you were like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I want to make
Speaker 1: a billion dollars, but I'm gonna do X with it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what Matt talking about? You want to do
Speaker 1: a bill? You're like, what do you remember that? You
Speaker 1: remember that? Yeah? Absolutely? As you're retired, it's like Matt,
Speaker 1: what are you doing now? And he's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go invest in these companies. I'm gonna build this, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a bill. You like what well you mean
Speaker 1: you got you mean you gotta shoot for the moon
Speaker 1: and land on the stars, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think too often, and Jack
Speaker 1: loves to say this. You know, we're able to tell
Speaker 1: our own stories now. And you know, for you had
Speaker 1: you had a certain reputation. Jack and I definitely had
Speaker 1: a reputation. So anytime we're allowed to step outside of that,
Speaker 1: people kind of side eye us, not really knowing that
Speaker 1: we're really on our ship and we are businessmen and
Speaker 1: we are you know, everything you thought we weren't post career,
Speaker 1: And I think too often it really surprises people when
Speaker 1: there's really a lot of people just like us that
Speaker 1: are still doing the same thing. It's just never highlighted, right.
Speaker 1: And and one of the things I appreciate appreciate about
Speaker 1: you guys, it's like you guys are creating a lane
Speaker 1: that we all can learn from. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at what you guys are doing with all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Like literally, I'm telling y'all right now, I just steal
Speaker 1: y'all templar, I say, what are they doing? I'm doing
Speaker 1: so in the same when if y'all see anything from
Speaker 1: my platform looking like all the smoke, like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: change up the aesthetic. Okay, I'm like, that's a compliment.
Speaker 1: That's a compliment people. But people don't understand what y'all,
Speaker 1: what y'all are doing, and what y'all did, and how
Speaker 1: fast y'all did it. And I'm like, yo, the game
Speaker 1: is right there. They've showing us how to do it right,
Speaker 1: So like, I just appreciate you guys for actually like
Speaker 1: showing us the way this. Guys just gotta pay attention.
Speaker 1: There's other athletes like we should have been doing this right.
Speaker 1: I'm I love what you guys are doing, man, appreciate
Speaker 1: that pivoting Right now, with the current climate of the
Speaker 1: world and social justice, how do you feel like athletes
Speaker 1: as a whole, putting us all in one group have done,
Speaker 1: continuing to carry the message, pushing you know, we just
Speaker 1: finished with the elections. How do you feel like athletes
Speaker 1: have done in this space when no one really wanted
Speaker 1: us to. They wanted us to shut up and dribble
Speaker 1: or just play football or do everything. But what we're
Speaker 1: doing right now, how do you feel athletes have kind
Speaker 1: of stepped up and met the challenge, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: to kind of do our part to help the country.
Speaker 1: I love where we're at right now, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what it's about. I go back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen when Cap took his first knee and
Speaker 1: standing in that locker room and having everybody on the
Speaker 1: beat and all those cameras in our eyes, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what are you guys gonna do? We had no game plan.
Speaker 1: We we we weren't connected, we weren't on the same page,
Speaker 1: and I think you know that's why we didn't make
Speaker 1: as big of the impact. So now you fast forward
Speaker 1: four years later and we're seeing how the NBA took this,
Speaker 1: brought it all together, use their platform. And I know
Speaker 1: you guys see it differently. Jack, you didn't want to
Speaker 1: go to the bubble. Matt you wanted. You thought it
Speaker 1: was best to go to the bubble. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: with Matt. Jack, Like, I just feel like you guys
Speaker 1: had a platform every single day to tell the story.
Speaker 1: And you know, I would have liked to see the
Speaker 1: NBA back you a little bit more, you know, because
Speaker 1: what you did, what you did, like just I mean
Speaker 1: it was just like, I mean, bro, like you you
Speaker 1: really lead an entire civil rights movement and you're still
Speaker 1: leading it. Um. So like for me, like, I'm just
Speaker 1: proud to call myself an athlete to have a play
Speaker 1: a small part in it. But overall, I think the
Speaker 1: athlete from from you Matt to you Jack, to basketball
Speaker 1: to football, have done a phenomenal job of just keeping
Speaker 1: it in the headlines every single day. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately your brother, your twin, you know, lost his life.
Speaker 1: He was brutally killed in the streets. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, I would say it's not in vain because
Speaker 1: now he's gonna save so many lives because of what
Speaker 1: you stepped up and then so I'm just thankful that,
Speaker 1: you know, we came together and we kept the conversation
Speaker 1: moving forward because there's a lot of change. Man, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people still complaining. But for me, I
Speaker 1: look back, I'm like, look how many things have changed
Speaker 1: so far in a short time. Right, we all have
Speaker 1: we all have a part to do, man, we all
Speaker 1: do on our part. We all got the same goal,
Speaker 1: we all had the same direction, so we all got
Speaker 1: a part to play. Absolutely, Uh, you know you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, the NBA was able to bring the bubble
Speaker 1: and make it a success with nobody getting sick and
Speaker 1: continuing to press the message. What do you feel like
Speaker 1: the NFL can learn um from not necessary the bubble,
Speaker 1: because we know the NFL can't do a bubble, but
Speaker 1: kind of continuing to empower its players and allowing them
Speaker 1: to be really voices that are heard because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of superstars in the NFL, but the NFL has
Speaker 1: never really been as outspoken as the as the NBA has.
Speaker 1: What do you feel like the NFL can learn from
Speaker 1: us everything? I mean absolutely everything? Um wow, Like we're
Speaker 1: institutionalized as football players, man, you know, and I understand
Speaker 1: that it's a business. You know, um, they owned the team,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you know, our
Speaker 1: platforms are so powerful and you know it's time for
Speaker 1: the football player, the NFL player that to continue to
Speaker 1: stand up and speak. Like I'll be honest with you
Speaker 1: with with when I when I watched the NBA games,
Speaker 1: the restart the playoffs, like I saw Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 1: I watched and they were talking about it. And then
Speaker 1: also the people who were covering the broadcast or the analysts.
Speaker 1: They were actually talking about it every single night after
Speaker 1: the game. First question, how are you doing? I don't
Speaker 1: see that in the NFL right now. I see some
Speaker 1: little messages here and there, but I don't see that.
Speaker 1: Like even give you an example. You know, on Instagram
Speaker 1: the other day they said, you know, uh, say there's worries.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the movement. That's not what we're saying.
Speaker 1: It's saying saying her, say her name, saying his name.
Speaker 1: But see the NFL, we do this thing where we
Speaker 1: try to act like we're participating, but we're not really participating.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to let's give him enough. You don't
Speaker 1: the box to check the box? What is this like?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who said in that room,
Speaker 1: even something like are they doing a better job? Yes,
Speaker 1: they're doing a better job. I feel like they was
Speaker 1: forced to do it. What I look at something as
Speaker 1: simple is that, like why do we got to change
Speaker 1: the name and say, you know, say their stories. I
Speaker 1: never saw that on a T shirt. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is. I know, say her name, but it's
Speaker 1: too controversial, right, it's too political. And I just think
Speaker 1: sometimes we straddle defense in the NFL. I think you
Speaker 1: hit it on the head too, because you know, more
Speaker 1: likely than not. And and no, I mean i'd say
Speaker 1: the NFL owners too, But I think your guys as
Speaker 1: owners stand almost on the exact opposite side of most
Speaker 1: of the players, you know, of the majority of the players.
Speaker 1: So when it gets to talking about police brutality or
Speaker 1: it gets to talking about the victims of police brutality,
Speaker 1: you know, these owners are aligned with a president or
Speaker 1: or hopefully a former president soon that sees nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with it. You know, that sees nothing wrong with what
Speaker 1: these police are doing. And this isn't a problem that obviously,
Speaker 1: this this administrator has created because this has been going
Speaker 1: on for a long time. But the fact that they
Speaker 1: don't condemn it is a problem, and it it just
Speaker 1: continues to leave the door open for other issues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, when do we put people over politics? You know,
Speaker 1: so like I can look at it. You know, we
Speaker 1: all made money, and to me is like, you know,
Speaker 1: people want to talk about what about the taxes or
Speaker 1: what about the market, And then it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand that, but what about my life? What about people?
Speaker 1: I mean, we was lucky, we were we I think
Speaker 1: too often that people like we're lucky enough to make
Speaker 1: it out, like you said, but it's too often and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anyone on here, but sometimes when you
Speaker 1: make it out and make that money, you forget that
Speaker 1: you were the lucky one. And there's a whole ship
Speaker 1: load of motherfucker's just like you that didn't make it out.
Speaker 1: So that's who we're looking out for, and that's who
Speaker 1: we're thinking about when we're talking about it. We're talking
Speaker 1: about lives, lives or taxes, Like, come on, man, you
Speaker 1: are we talking about hate or taxes? Like to me,
Speaker 1: there's no comparison. We were lucky nothing. Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: want to keep our money because it was so hard
Speaker 1: to earn and you have to keep up with stuff.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we were fortunate
Speaker 1: to be able to have a savings, to have money
Speaker 1: to put to the side, when the majority of the
Speaker 1: world doesn't. And a lot and and a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't understand. It's a lot of people that's in
Speaker 1: the undeveloped state. Like we're so worried about building these
Speaker 1: buildings and developing instruction and how how this place look.
Speaker 1: But we're not worried about developing the people, and I
Speaker 1: think once we get back to developing the people and
Speaker 1: caring about the people more, we'll start going the right direction. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens in the next couple
Speaker 1: of hours. Look, he just got Wisconsin right and Michigan
Speaker 1: soothing body is gonna be the guy. Luck out, look out,
Speaker 1: look out, look out. Um. Question, you know this is
Speaker 1: a transition Jack and I made Obviously you've made it
Speaker 1: seamlessly too. But did you find it strange or difficult
Speaker 1: to start covering and talking about the NFL um at
Speaker 1: any point uh post career. I'll be honest with you. Um,
Speaker 1: I never shared this with anybody, only my wife. Uh
Speaker 1: so all them. Yeah. Bro, every time I'm on inside
Speaker 1: the NFL sitting next to Ray Lewis, um Phil Sims
Speaker 1: and we're bringing Mike Irvin and we talked about Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, we talked about you know, championships and all
Speaker 1: of that, that's when it gets awkward for me because
Speaker 1: that like I get I get angry, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that that competitive stuff that we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier in the show, like that's still there. So
Speaker 1: that's the only time that I feel a little weird
Speaker 1: talking about football where you know, we can laugh and
Speaker 1: joke about it, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like it's not a game, right, so we'll make fun
Speaker 1: of it. It's almost like the Charles Barkley effect, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like Charles, like you never won the championship,
Speaker 1: you know, how shock be getting on them. So like
Speaker 1: for me, you know, that's the biggest thing for me
Speaker 1: when I think when I think about football, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm over that. I'm you know, I can I still
Speaker 1: probably go out there and catch a couple of balls
Speaker 1: one percent, but I'm over football. I love what I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now. But it's just a simple fact that
Speaker 1: I had a goal and I wasn't able to accomplish that.
Speaker 1: So so like when I see it, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm still working through that. I gotta be honest with you, Man,
Speaker 1: it's something you know I'm good because I you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, it wasn't like I just start transitioning.
Speaker 1: Now I'm back in two thousand and fourteen, I spent
Speaker 1: three months with Harvard and I need a Bursey Versey
Speaker 1: looking at athletes who made that transition and what did
Speaker 1: they do, and I was preparing there, so I would
Speaker 1: have been on Showtime for seven years. I had I
Speaker 1: opened this up in two thousand and twelve. We start
Speaker 1: scaling this in two thousand and fourteen, so you know,
Speaker 1: I was already a top on top of it. But
Speaker 1: you know that's the only thing, man, that that that
Speaker 1: keeps me up at night is like, man, like I
Speaker 1: never won a big one. M m m m. Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned inside the NFL, which is obviously a part
Speaker 1: of the Showtime family. Jack and I were fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to come on you guys the show last month. What
Speaker 1: I thought was so dope was just the chemistry between
Speaker 1: you guys, between you and Ray talking ship. To feel
Speaker 1: Sam's talking big a. Phil talks big ship and then fails.
Speaker 1: I feel it is funny because I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: just knew Phil as a quarterback. I never got a
Speaker 1: chance to meet him. He's cooled down to earth talk
Speaker 1: ships and then jb All throw a jab in there
Speaker 1: with his O G seal somehing once in a while.
Speaker 1: But that that dynamic between you and Ray is funny.
Speaker 1: I talked to us about, you know, obviously your team
Speaker 1: over that inside the NFL. Yeah, man, we approach like
Speaker 1: it's a locker room, you know, and we've been together
Speaker 1: for six seven years, like you know, Ray came in
Speaker 1: a year later, but like we've been together that long.
Speaker 1: So the more you're around each other, you know, the
Speaker 1: chemistry and the nudity just built. So the way we
Speaker 1: approach it is like we're still competing. Like I'll come
Speaker 1: in and I'm like, yo, don't don't just check the box,
Speaker 1: don't just clock in, like we're gonna We're gonna go
Speaker 1: win the championship. Y'all want y'all championship. This is my championship,
Speaker 1: trying to get a sports Emmy. So no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk to what I'm saying it really is
Speaker 1: that is the chemistry, and it's the continuity, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes a really good show. And we
Speaker 1: we like each other man, and we're able to push
Speaker 1: each other, call each other out on certain things, hold
Speaker 1: each other accountable, which makes even better TV. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's that's been our secret sauce too is people
Speaker 1: how do you recreate all the smoke? But I think
Speaker 1: it's the chemistry Me and Jack share that we can
Speaker 1: talk ship to each other, crack jokes, be back and forth,
Speaker 1: the mad at each other sometimes, but the love we
Speaker 1: have for each other never waivers. So when we're when
Speaker 1: we're in our element, we're unfunk withable, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's a T shirt. So who has up
Speaker 1: to this point? I mean, obviously no fans. The season
Speaker 1: has been a little different this year, but there's definitely
Speaker 1: some teams that are standing out. Are there any teams
Speaker 1: or players in particular they have stood out or caught
Speaker 1: your eve by surprise this year? Yeah? So, uh, preseason predictions?
Speaker 1: You know, I love what I was. I love the
Speaker 1: thought of what the Steelers could do and not a
Speaker 1: stand here under Okay, okay, hold hold the hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. So you mean it?
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me at the beginning of
Speaker 1: this season, you said that Pittsburgh was gonna be undefeated.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm gonna tell you all of my predictions preseason.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell yes to answer your question. Yes, Seattle
Speaker 1: Seahawks was my team that I picked on inside the NFL.
Speaker 1: And first thing, first, I said, come out the NFC.
Speaker 1: I said, Russell Wilson will be the m v P.
Speaker 1: I said the Pittsburgh Steelers will be my my a
Speaker 1: f C contender. I said, I also like the Coats
Speaker 1: as a dark horse. I like the Tennessee Titans. Right
Speaker 1: so that was my preseason my preseason pick now. And
Speaker 1: I also said the Saints will bust and right now
Speaker 1: they hanging on the Well one thing we know, you
Speaker 1: know football, well, it's it's it's hard to get. It's
Speaker 1: hard to get some preseason predictions, right. But I just
Speaker 1: think that the Pittsburgh Stillers. I still need to see
Speaker 1: Big Ben. Sometimes Big Ben revert back to that back
Speaker 1: your football stuff and just throwing around like you got
Speaker 1: a good defense man, play smart, protect the ball, go
Speaker 1: the way sometimes. M m. What do you think about
Speaker 1: the pickup that the Chiefs were able to get? Someone
Speaker 1: remind me we can edit this. What's the running back
Speaker 1: the Chief Scott? So what do you what do you
Speaker 1: think about the Chief's coming off of Super Bowl, coming
Speaker 1: off Patrick Mahomes and you know he's really doing this thing.
Speaker 1: Where do you think about them being able to pick
Speaker 1: up Levian Beil? All right, so let me ask you
Speaker 1: this question. When you think about the Chiefs, what's the
Speaker 1: first thing you think about? Like, Yo, this team is though,
Speaker 1: because of what my homes. My homes bam right. So
Speaker 1: what I love about the Chiefs is that now they're
Speaker 1: finding different ways to win. We know that my homes
Speaker 1: is dope. We know that he can throw for four
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game, put up for the points. But
Speaker 1: now you they before they added lady On, they was
Speaker 1: running the ball well, they was winning on defense, they
Speaker 1: was winning on special teams. To me, they're a better
Speaker 1: team this year than they was last year because they're
Speaker 1: more complete. So now you put lady on there, how
Speaker 1: you go? How you go? What? Yeah, he ain't got
Speaker 1: no work. How you go two years with the Jets,
Speaker 1: almost two years with the Jets and you never had
Speaker 1: a one rush over fifteen yards and you did it
Speaker 1: twice in your first game with the Chiefs. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: he never is That's about that? So you know, is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a nice pick up? Yes? And and and man,
Speaker 1: we can talk for another hour about you know, this topic.
Speaker 1: Because he's also one of the best wide receivers in
Speaker 1: the game him. This is scary. Man. They haven't even
Speaker 1: like really unleashed him yet. Let me hold on what
Speaker 1: y'all think about Tampa? I just love it. So we
Speaker 1: have it right now. I mean, Tom is being Tom
Speaker 1: and I just saw. I mean, I'm watching TV as
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing you that you saw today was a BS
Speaker 1: first practice, you know what I mean. So he's out
Speaker 1: there laughing with the guys. I want, I want to
Speaker 1: know your thought. I don't. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: personally know him. I know he's had obviously some some
Speaker 1: ups and downs on the field, a lot of downs
Speaker 1: off the field. I'm glad that he got a chance
Speaker 1: to kind of redeem himself. I know, I know Tom
Speaker 1: fought his ass off to get him. What do you
Speaker 1: think will happen with a B over in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be I think he'll be fine, man.
Speaker 1: But the reality is, you know, it takes it takes
Speaker 1: a lot of work, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 1: grow as a man, you know, and you gotta be
Speaker 1: intentional with it. We know him as the player, right
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here like I never made any mistakes.
Speaker 1: Like I made mistakes. But you know, in the locker
Speaker 1: room and on the team is where I grew up.
Speaker 1: Like in the locker rooms where I learned how to shave.
Speaker 1: In the locker room is where I learned how to
Speaker 1: time my first time, right. So I love that he's
Speaker 1: getting another opportunity, but he gotta be able to embrace,
Speaker 1: you know, his challenges and be better because we know
Speaker 1: you as the player, man, like, just go in there
Speaker 1: and do your job, get your career back on track,
Speaker 1: and everything's gonna be loved. It's gonna be good. But
Speaker 1: he gotta make a he gotta take a step forward
Speaker 1: off the field, you know. That's the thing that's been
Speaker 1: holding him back obviously. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate too,
Speaker 1: because I think some people get caught up in this
Speaker 1: social media trying to prove stuff to people. Because I mean,
Speaker 1: we could walk down this whole situation when he went
Speaker 1: with the Raiders and then he got on Instagram talking
Speaker 1: about he wasn't gonna do this, this and that, and
Speaker 1: then got cut and tried to flip it in the hole.
Speaker 1: To me, it was just, you know, less was more
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, you didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: You got up out of there, sit back and get
Speaker 1: ready to go to work. But I think he was
Speaker 1: addicted to the attention and and and a lot of
Speaker 1: negativity came and it says a lot about his talent
Speaker 1: because people don't get as many chances as he's gotten,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and and and it's a testament
Speaker 1: to how fucking talented the dude is. But like you said,
Speaker 1: you hope he develops as a man, because if there's
Speaker 1: no development as a man, we're never gonna get to
Speaker 1: see that a B on the field again. Yeah that's right,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. After that situation um in Oakland,
Speaker 1: then he went to New England, he kept he kept
Speaker 1: with the nonsense. He went out and did a whole album,
Speaker 1: a whole rap video, crazy bro right. So but so
Speaker 1: he stayed, he stayed on that same path, and once
Speaker 1: they suspended him, he got off of all social media. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a guy for three years social media has
Speaker 1: been actually counter productive for him and pulling him down.
Speaker 1: And so like that's the only sign that he's getting
Speaker 1: it is that the last four months he hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything digitally and that's and you know that's hard for him.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he got Hopefully he's he started to work.
Speaker 1: He's still doing the work, and he'll get through this
Speaker 1: and get his career back on track, his life back
Speaker 1: on track. And it seems like everything be good. I
Speaker 1: have a question though, Uh, you know, obviously never playing
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I know plugging in a player in
Speaker 1: the n b A is somewhat difficult, but there's not
Speaker 1: as many guys, so he can find his footing faster.
Speaker 1: How hard is it to be plugged in the NFL
Speaker 1: because there's so many more players that are on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can't. I think it's it's difficult for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like if you're asking a quarterback to come in, it's
Speaker 1: like learning a new language. But a while conceiver slant robins,
Speaker 1: a slant route like body It's like it's probably the
Speaker 1: same and you know in all sports, but like it's
Speaker 1: like body language. You know, when I get to the
Speaker 1: top of my route, you know, like like what indicators
Speaker 1: am I giving my quarterback that he knows Okay, let
Speaker 1: me let it go right now. Routes and slam route,
Speaker 1: A go route to go route, it's all about me
Speaker 1: and you get on the same page. And the hard
Speaker 1: part is like it got to a point with me
Speaker 1: and Jake Cutler, like Jake Cutler would just look at
Speaker 1: me and I knew what he would what he wanted
Speaker 1: me to do. I would have a slant route on.
Speaker 1: He would just look out, give me a give me
Speaker 1: an eye, and I'll go run and go. Like we
Speaker 1: got We didn't have to give any hands signal to talk, right,
Speaker 1: And that's just that that chemistry that built over the years.
Speaker 1: But like coming in and being able to, you know,
Speaker 1: to to contribute right away, he'll be able to do that. Look,
Speaker 1: he did that in a half in New England, went
Speaker 1: in there fifty four yards and a half a touchdown,
Speaker 1: you know, and then obviously the next week he tweeted
Speaker 1: and then he was out of there. So Tom and
Speaker 1: him already have a connection, so that would expedite the process.
Speaker 1: But I would say that the quarterback position would be
Speaker 1: the position where it's like, yo, we this We need
Speaker 1: some time with him, but just haven't just haven't just
Speaker 1: having somebody to have your back, you know, and then
Speaker 1: not only having your back, it's Tom Brady. You know,
Speaker 1: you got you got time, you got Tom Brady vouching
Speaker 1: for you. Come into a situation where you know you're
Speaker 1: the best player, the best probably the best player in
Speaker 1: the league has your back and you can come in
Speaker 1: and just be a professional, trying to put everything behind you.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best situation for him when you
Speaker 1: got somebody like that. I had that when I had
Speaker 1: Tim Dunk and I had Tim Duckan I have my
Speaker 1: back doing when I was right, when I are when
Speaker 1: I was wrong. So Joah, I think that's that's the
Speaker 1: best situation he can be. And having the best player
Speaker 1: in the league behind you, it helped you make that transformation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one of the big stories right now around this
Speaker 1: whole deal with Antonio Brown and Tampa is like, you know, uh, Tom,
Speaker 1: Like he moved into Tom Brady's house, so I got, yeah, roommates.
Speaker 1: He did the same thing in New England and now
Speaker 1: it's in Tampa. Have y'all ever had a teammate live
Speaker 1: with y'all? Have y'all ever lived with a teammate for
Speaker 1: off season or through a transition period, trade or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I used to. I used to every time
Speaker 1: I go to Bay. I stayed in Matt House. We
Speaker 1: didn't live together, But I remember a lot of teams
Speaker 1: I've been all out. That was a rookie guys that
Speaker 1: come in that try out that I was cool with it.
Speaker 1: I was from my area doing training camp. They stayed
Speaker 1: at my house. Yeah, a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about that on one of our shows.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what, we talked about it this morning,
Speaker 1: and people like, what, why, why why is he staying
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. I'm like, man, like you guys don't understand,
Speaker 1: like it's a brotherhood. It's like my brother absolutely. I know.
Speaker 1: One thing I used to try to do, um was
Speaker 1: for the holidays, you know what I mean, because we
Speaker 1: were always on you know, Thanksgiving, Christmas unless you're playing.
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to play a lot of the
Speaker 1: years in my league, but the holidays are lonely, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that was one thing I
Speaker 1: always trying to do is I would always try to
Speaker 1: have the younger players coming to my house and whether
Speaker 1: my mom cooking before she passed, Rest in peace, or
Speaker 1: we would order food, just to kind of have some
Speaker 1: sort of that family feel because people think we're athletes
Speaker 1: and nothing bothered us. And it's easy because we got
Speaker 1: but as we go through all those same emotions, man,
Speaker 1: of being lonely and missing our family, and like you said,
Speaker 1: ay be living with Tom to build that chemistry where
Speaker 1: he the beings to first and foremost, and you know,
Speaker 1: to try to make it as comfortable and as smooth
Speaker 1: as possible as a goal, especially with your teammates. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. Let's I know you've probably got another
Speaker 1: question or two, but I gotta like change topics real quick.
Speaker 1: N b A go ahead. I got a prediction. The
Speaker 1: Clippers will win it. The Clippers will will will win
Speaker 1: it next year. Ship, I said that this year. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and and he still owes me my tin
Speaker 1: cushupsh Ship, Hey, bro, tell me tell me why you
Speaker 1: tell me why you think that? Tell me why you
Speaker 1: tell me why you think that? Though No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: be cushups, not push ups, cushups, oh, cush ups. Smoking
Speaker 1: every every pushup you inhaling or exhaling with a joint
Speaker 1: or blunt in your mouth. I don't smoke weeds or
Speaker 1: it's that hard. Yeah, you gotta breathe, You gotta breathe.
Speaker 1: It's it's yes. And he gotta record it. And he
Speaker 1: got to record it and put it online like I
Speaker 1: did too. You know, that's what we gotta that's what
Speaker 1: we gotta do. We gotta do that. Like if I
Speaker 1: decided to smoke, let me stop lying. I tried it before.
Speaker 1: I tried it before, um you know, uh for about
Speaker 1: a year. That's actually that's how I knew I need
Speaker 1: to go get some help because actually, when I smoked,
Speaker 1: I felt better. And I did that a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But as a whole another story. But if I get
Speaker 1: back to it, then I'm when we come at l A, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna have to we we got you. But but
Speaker 1: but here the Clippers. Here's why I like the Clippers,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if Paul George, if Paul George, if
Speaker 1: he can get back into his rhythm. You know, now
Speaker 1: we're looking at two of the top you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he slid out of the top ten,
Speaker 1: but you got two the top fifteen NBA players. You know,
Speaker 1: they can play ball, they play defense, and that's that's
Speaker 1: what's missing in the NBA to me now is you
Speaker 1: only have like three or four teams in the league
Speaker 1: that can play defense and offensively, you got Mr Consistent,
Speaker 1: uh Kawai Leonard, and I like Paul George. I need
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the Paul George on the
Speaker 1: offensive end. And I understand he said I was dealing
Speaker 1: with a little anxiety a little depression. Maybe he needed
Speaker 1: to do some some coushups in the bubble. He got
Speaker 1: his mind like some cusshups. If he can do some
Speaker 1: cushups this offseason, get his mind right, then you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna be right there. But that well, here's the problem,
Speaker 1: like in that locker room is divided, like you you
Speaker 1: gotta know, man, who the superstars is. So if if
Speaker 1: if duc and and and lewis saying, if they saying, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna embrace low management, if we're gonna embrace like
Speaker 1: giving that superstar status, then you either speak your piece
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this season or you hope keep
Speaker 1: get upright like that's the superstar. So for me, I
Speaker 1: think Tyl Lose gonna do a good job of saying
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. And everybody in that locker
Speaker 1: room they gotta they gotta they gotta accept it. If not,
Speaker 1: they gotta get out of there, because that's what broke
Speaker 1: that team down is everybody got a voice. Everybody. I
Speaker 1: used to hate that in the locker room, like, man,
Speaker 1: if you ain't the superstar, to shut up, like I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to hear your voice. I want to hear
Speaker 1: your voice. But when it comes to like, well, why
Speaker 1: is this guy sitting out? Don't make it a problem.
Speaker 1: Don't make it a problem, right, Why does this guy
Speaker 1: get to do that? Well, this dude putting up thirty
Speaker 1: five points again, thirty points eight points a game, this
Speaker 1: dude scoring two touchdowns a game, like, let you know,
Speaker 1: that's why it happens, that's why. Well, I think one
Speaker 1: thing about Tyler is Tyler is an excellent communicator, you know,
Speaker 1: and and being in that locker room before and him
Speaker 1: being an assistant coach and knowing that the love of
Speaker 1: Citi's biggest weakness was ourselves. You know, we had a
Speaker 1: talented enough team to definitely win a championship and we
Speaker 1: but it has too often and I did. That didn't
Speaker 1: rear its head for the Clippers until later and then
Speaker 1: after the season where people were chirped and why I
Speaker 1: didn't like this are so and so shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, damn, Like that's why I thought
Speaker 1: we was way past that as as professional athletes. But
Speaker 1: I guess I guess we weren't. One thing I also
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on two was you know, you're big
Speaker 1: and and and have been speaking and outspoken on mental health.
Speaker 1: And that was the one thing when I got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to PG while he was in the
Speaker 1: bubble because he was dealing with some mental health and
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression and separation. How serious is this because
Speaker 1: as black men first and foremost, and as black athletes,
Speaker 1: it was looked down before before as almost a weakness
Speaker 1: to talk about issues you had. Obviously we're passed that
Speaker 1: and it's more talked about these days, But what is
Speaker 1: your take on it? Being someone that has suffered from it?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad that you went back to that because,
Speaker 1: like you know, although I was making fun of the
Speaker 1: whole Clipper situation and and and that whole restore, but
Speaker 1: there was a lot of guys, you know, uh struggling
Speaker 1: U in that bubble, and there's guys in the NFL
Speaker 1: struggling right now. So you know, it's not a game.
Speaker 1: It is serious. But like that's why I talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, marijuana is because when I was playing for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, that's when I realized something was going on,
Speaker 1: and marijuana was the thing that got me through that year.
Speaker 1: Like it is, like that was the first time I
Speaker 1: was able to smile again. And feel again, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you get to the office. I got to
Speaker 1: the off season and I went to McClain Hospital and
Speaker 1: I was there for three months in the outpatient programs
Speaker 1: diagnosed with borderline personality sort of the best way to
Speaker 1: describes like an emotional disorder being able to self regulate
Speaker 1: your emotions. Right, long story short. I took dialectical behavior
Speaker 1: therapy that's a group therapy. I took mentalization therapy. I
Speaker 1: took self assessment, you know, one on one with Dr Gunderson.
Speaker 1: I did a clinical evaluation, neurological evaluation, just to see
Speaker 1: what was going on in my mind. And I was
Speaker 1: put in this program and it changed my life. And
Speaker 1: there's so many of us that deal with I mean,
Speaker 1: this life is hard, you know, and you know have
Speaker 1: If you don't have a game plan around how you're
Speaker 1: gonna deal with stress, that stress can turn into uh
Speaker 1: mental health challenge and mental health issue for you. It
Speaker 1: may it may not be bipolar, it may not be borderline,
Speaker 1: it may not be anxiety, but if you don't correct
Speaker 1: these things, uh, then it can definitely hit you and
Speaker 1: hit you in a major way. So you know, even now,
Speaker 1: like now, we got people dealing with anxiety and depression
Speaker 1: for the very first time. So I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I appreciate it Paul George saying it,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot of athletes dealing with anxiety,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of athletes dealing with depression or understanding
Speaker 1: being comfortable with who they are in this big space.
Speaker 1: So you know, now you've got the Kevin Loves of
Speaker 1: the world, you got the Dak Prescotts of the world
Speaker 1: really using their platforms and talk about and highlight it.
Speaker 1: We still talk about it wrong in the media. You
Speaker 1: saw what Skip Bayliss said after Dak Prescott came out.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a there's a's a long way
Speaker 1: to go, but I love I love where where we're
Speaker 1: at right now. And once again lad by the athletes.
Speaker 1: So it used to be a taboo topic not to
Speaker 1: not to press too much in your personal life. Is
Speaker 1: this something that's ongoing or did you get it fixed
Speaker 1: when you win? Or is this a daily still a
Speaker 1: daily battle for you? Yeah? No, So like now, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's so many ways it can present itself.
Speaker 1: You know, mental health can present itself in over three
Speaker 1: different ways. But just one diagnosis. So for me, going
Speaker 1: through that process really gave me the skills and tools
Speaker 1: I needed to self regulated. So you know, I could
Speaker 1: be in a moment and I'm like, well, with tools,
Speaker 1: with skills, do I have to regulate? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean to manage this? Do I kind of make
Speaker 1: it better? You know? I wanted to stay the saying,
Speaker 1: don't make it worse. So what I do now, and
Speaker 1: I'll go back to my last years in football, So
Speaker 1: what I did in the football season, I had a
Speaker 1: game plan. I knew that was the most stressful time
Speaker 1: of the year for me. So every every week I
Speaker 1: would sit down with a mental health practitioner before practice,
Speaker 1: I would jump in the float pod after practice, jumping
Speaker 1: the float pod. Like I was very intentional daily in
Speaker 1: my mental fitness in the off season. In the off season,
Speaker 1: what I do is as needed. So I'll probably like
Speaker 1: once a month check in um with the mental health practitioner,
Speaker 1: or I might check in with a family member or
Speaker 1: friends just like yo, how you doing? He checking or
Speaker 1: he or she checking on me. And but part of
Speaker 1: my daily routine because I feel like you need to
Speaker 1: make deposits because something's going to happen right, Like who
Speaker 1: who would have known? We you know, this year would
Speaker 1: have turned out the way it is, Like where you did?
Speaker 1: You have the deposits um that to be able to
Speaker 1: be strong enough through this. So meditation is big for me. Um,
Speaker 1: being able to recover get aways, turn off at night,
Speaker 1: you know, shut my brain off is important for me.
Speaker 1: So those are things that I do every single day
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm making those deposits. So when those
Speaker 1: stressful moments come up, I'm good, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: I think the key you said if anyone takes what
Speaker 1: away the tools you need to handle the situation, because
Speaker 1: we're not we're not equipped with them. We we we
Speaker 1: weren't raised with them. It wasn't something that was talked about.
Speaker 1: Showing emotion in our culture was a sign of weakness,
Speaker 1: no matter who you were. From a child to stop
Speaker 1: sucking crying to an adult, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So now that we're in a where in a space
Speaker 1: that we can comfortably talk about it, it's the tools,
Speaker 1: like you said that you learned from handling, doing your counseling,
Speaker 1: that that we're allowed you to get through the process,
Speaker 1: and not enough of us have that too. I was fortunate.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I came from a you know,
Speaker 1: functioning drug addicts, my parents for functioning drug adics, very
Speaker 1: abusive household. So I found marijuana at fourteen and smoked
Speaker 1: it from fourteen to this day. And that was really
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know what it was. I
Speaker 1: just knew it was an escape for me. And as
Speaker 1: I got older, I realized, Okay, damn, I can focus,
Speaker 1: I can sleep better. Uh, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: different things are coming from this. So that's why I
Speaker 1: was so glad when the medical research finally called up,
Speaker 1: because I could have said everything it made me do
Speaker 1: until I was blue in the face, but until there
Speaker 1: was medical backup, medical research saying okay, well it does
Speaker 1: a B and C just like these guys are saying
Speaker 1: it was doing it wasn't doing any good. But I
Speaker 1: think if I didn't have cannabis, no bullshit, who knows
Speaker 1: what kind of deepened I would have went off of.
Speaker 1: Because you know, my life off the court was very
Speaker 1: well document. I was in a lot of ship off
Speaker 1: the court. But you know, to be able to be
Speaker 1: on TMZ and all these blows and then have to
Speaker 1: play on ESPN that night, that focus is essential. You know,
Speaker 1: no matter what the fun is going on in your life,
Speaker 1: for that two hours two and a half hours, where
Speaker 1: it's on the football field of the basketball field, there's
Speaker 1: no excuses and and my outlet is always being cannabis.
Speaker 1: So I'm very thankful now that, like I said, the
Speaker 1: medical research is catching up because I know a lot
Speaker 1: of these athletes, like you said, whether you use it
Speaker 1: or not, we need some sort of tools to deal
Speaker 1: with this ship because people think we're invincible because we
Speaker 1: have money. But that's the furthest thing from the truth. Yes,
Speaker 1: So is that is that why you're so passionate and
Speaker 1: investing in this space? Yeah? Yeah, because I believe in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'll be the first one
Speaker 1: to tell you I in joy getting high, like the
Speaker 1: way it feels. But I'm more on the educational side,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a snoop, I'm not a rapper. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's okay to kind of glorify in that aspect, but
Speaker 1: I'm coming from an aspect of a former player, a father,
Speaker 1: and someone who coaches my kids right now, So I'm
Speaker 1: coming more on the medical side and understanding trying to
Speaker 1: remove the word high and explain that the medical benefits
Speaker 1: of it in the way it makes me feel. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're finally starting to make headway
Speaker 1: because whether they like it or not, whether they keep
Speaker 1: find us a lot a lot of professional athletes use
Speaker 1: it and we shouldn't be penalized for it. Draft Day
Speaker 1: two thousand six, what's going through your mind? Man? Two
Speaker 1: thousand six? Draft Day? I literally thought like, Man, I
Speaker 1: went to UCF and we were Mad Major back then,
Speaker 1: playing in the Mad Conference. Just which to conference, you
Speaker 1: would say. And in my mind, if I you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like if I ran well as a big
Speaker 1: white receiver, I could have snuck into the first day.
Speaker 1: So the first the back then, you know, they did
Speaker 1: the first three rounds day one. So I was sitting
Speaker 1: there stressed out, uh you know, in the third round,
Speaker 1: thinking that I had an opportunity to go and it
Speaker 1: didn't happen, And it was the longest night in my life,
Speaker 1: you know, I was super stressed out. And then the
Speaker 1: next day I end up getting drafted to the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting behind that they actually drafted me as
Speaker 1: a tight end. So coach Shanahan when he called me
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, you know, we don't know if you
Speaker 1: can play wide receiver. Just be ready to play h
Speaker 1: back when you come in. And at that point, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, just give me an opportunity. I'll show
Speaker 1: you what I can do. So you hit the ground running. Um,
Speaker 1: you know from two thousand seven to two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: three consecutive hundred season catches. What was it like after
Speaker 1: what you explained to us, they weren't sure you could
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver. To come out and experience so
Speaker 1: much success early on in your career, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, that first year was about
Speaker 1: about having fun and and then just enjoying being in
Speaker 1: the league. And the second year, Javon Walker, we we
Speaker 1: just paid Javon Walker a lot of money to be
Speaker 1: our number one receiver. He went down with a knee injury.
Speaker 1: So when he went down, I just stepped up and
Speaker 1: Jay was just throwing me the ball. Like Jay was like,
Speaker 1: I'm dropping back and throwing the brand and it just
Speaker 1: took it just took off. So Um, that actually set
Speaker 1: the bar for me. Like I, I didn't really have
Speaker 1: any expectations when I got in the league. I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to be great. But when I that first
Speaker 1: hundred catches, I was like, well, I guess I'll do
Speaker 1: this every year, so that that became my goal. My
Speaker 1: goal was like, I want to that's the that's the
Speaker 1: that's the bar right there. M hm. Who are some
Speaker 1: of the receivers you studied on? You studied uh in
Speaker 1: the process of becoming a pro, leading up to the
Speaker 1: pro and even after you got into the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I looked at everybody. Every year, I would take
Speaker 1: the top ten wide receivers and I would break down
Speaker 1: all their film every year, and then also throughout the year,
Speaker 1: I would keep up with their film because I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll have this in the NBA, but I
Speaker 1: can see every single play, every single snap from every angle,
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams. So I would take that and
Speaker 1: I would have our video guy just built out my films.
Speaker 1: I'll be on the plane, I'll be watching our games
Speaker 1: and studying myself, studying our opponent, and then also studying
Speaker 1: everybody else. So back then, it was Chad Ocho, Sinko,
Speaker 1: it was t O, it was Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Um,
Speaker 1: you know who else was who else was bawling back
Speaker 1: the Randy Moss, Steve Smiff, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I was studying those cats I got. You
Speaker 1: know that was that way before me. Ankor On Bolden
Speaker 1: was one that I was studying. Well, Mega Tron came
Speaker 1: after me when you know, Um, but eventually he became
Speaker 1: that part of that top ten when he came in
Speaker 1: a couple of years later on. You know, that's when
Speaker 1: I start really studying my body type. I was about
Speaker 1: to say, you guys are similar, right, you guys are
Speaker 1: similar in body right. Bro, He's like you bro, like
Speaker 1: like I got a picture? Yeah, man, Like you know
Speaker 1: Megatron is like your side. It's crazy what and he moved?
Speaker 1: So think about I don't know as you were when
Speaker 1: you was playing back then, you know, but I ran,
Speaker 1: I ran, yeah, yeah, I ran a four three nine. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this documentary. And you touched on
Speaker 1: something that I don't think everyone understands and you may
Speaker 1: not get to understand it if and when you get
Speaker 1: to the league. But how important is film study not
Speaker 1: only of yourself but your opponent in your environment, Because
Speaker 1: I think that's something that people don't get and I
Speaker 1: didn't get maybe my first handful of years into the league,
Speaker 1: and I you know myself and Jack. You know, Jack
Speaker 1: was a little bit more more offensively minded than me,
Speaker 1: but we always had to guard the best players. And
Speaker 1: film was so crucial to me. So how important this
Speaker 1: film for an athlete is everything to set you up
Speaker 1: for success. And I think that's the hardest thing to do,
Speaker 1: is actually learn how to watch film, how a breakdown opponents.
Speaker 1: That's that was the hardest thing for me. I give
Speaker 1: you you know a cool story two thousand and sixteen,
Speaker 1: and I believe it was when I was playing for
Speaker 1: the Jets battling against the Patriots. We go up the
Speaker 1: fox ver the first the first game, and this is
Speaker 1: probably my best year. I'm I'm on payt halfred yards,
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns, another all pro year, Pro Bowl year, and
Speaker 1: you know, I go against I look at the roster,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's this Logan Ryan Cat And then they
Speaker 1: got another dB on the other side. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm manna, I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have the day.
Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick always finds a way to take out
Speaker 1: their top wide receivers, their top threats, like that number
Speaker 1: one number two. You hear about it every single week. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what Bill Belichick's wanna do. So I step
Speaker 1: in and I'm like, oh, you know, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be easy for me. They're playing me man to man.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I was strapped, I mean strapped, Bro.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get off the line of scrimmage and this
Speaker 1: is a dude. I'm like, I don't even know this
Speaker 1: dude's name at the time, like this Loogan Ryan catch
Speaker 1: and so the first quarter I couldn't get off. I'm struggling,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this dude's embarrassing me. And then
Speaker 1: one time I come out and and I'm on the
Speaker 1: right side and I so happened to put up my
Speaker 1: right foot right. So if you're on the right side
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, nine times I'll tend you as you know,
Speaker 1: let left side up. I put my right side out
Speaker 1: just I don't know what I was thinking. And then
Speaker 1: he's looking at my fild and then he turned around
Speaker 1: and looked at mcquardy. They did some little some little
Speaker 1: hand gestures, bro, and I was like, holy crap, like
Speaker 1: it is this a you know, is this a Tennessee
Speaker 1: is something that they studied, and they study everything in
Speaker 1: New England. Right, So anyways, I started playing with my
Speaker 1: feet and then depending on what foot was up and
Speaker 1: what my split was determined how they played me. And
Speaker 1: that's why I couldn't damn because I was giving a tendency.
Speaker 1: Right fast forward, we played New England twice. We come
Speaker 1: back around and I'm I'm breaking down film for like
Speaker 1: a week. I'm watching them like, man, what is my tendency? Like?
Speaker 1: What are they seeing? And how can I use this?
Speaker 1: So literally, I it it out. I remember running out
Speaker 1: that it was like six in the morning. Seven in
Speaker 1: the morning. I ran out of my room and me
Speaker 1: and Fitzpatrick was the only ones in the facility around
Speaker 1: that time, and the coaches, right, I ran in the
Speaker 1: quarterback rooms like yo, I figured it out. Here's the
Speaker 1: game plan. All you gotta do is watch the guy
Speaker 1: over me and it's gonna dictate what they played. I
Speaker 1: ran in the coach Bowls office, who's now the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in Tampa. I was like, coach, man, look at this,
Speaker 1: here's the Tennessee. This how they stopped us week one
Speaker 1: the first time we played, and this is what we
Speaker 1: need to do. And so literally The game plan going
Speaker 1: in was all right, let me look at Brandon. If
Speaker 1: the dude is three yards off of Brandon, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go three bail, right, And basically that is, you know,
Speaker 1: this corner has this third, the safety as this third.
Speaker 1: This corner has that third. And when I say, we
Speaker 1: lit it up, bro, we lit it up like we
Speaker 1: knew everything they was doing based off of how they
Speaker 1: played me if he was three yards off, remember he
Speaker 1: was on if he was inside of his outside and
Speaker 1: so man, they like I went for a hundred something yards,
Speaker 1: Eric Decker went for some hundred something yards. So I
Speaker 1: say all that to say, film study is critical and
Speaker 1: something as as critical as that, like you we give
Speaker 1: tendencies and then also like when you know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: you can really dominate the game just off of your film.
Speaker 1: M hm. That footwork, that that foot with that line,
Speaker 1: that line footwork and getting off the line is crucial
Speaker 1: for people who have never played or understood the meaning
Speaker 1: of that bide receiver position. That's just important. Um, December
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, you said an NFL record, but one
Speaker 1: catch us. What do you remember that day? That's a
Speaker 1: lot of cash you was online? Yeah, so you had that,
Speaker 1: you had that Bruce Leroy glow. You had the Bruce
Speaker 1: Leroy glow that day. So I used to try to, like,
Speaker 1: um put together a mindset going into a week. And
Speaker 1: remember two thousand and I don't even know what album
Speaker 1: hold just dropped, but jay Z just dropped the album.
Speaker 1: And in my head, I was like back then, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm gonna embrace my inner jay Z.
Speaker 1: And you know what I loved about jay Z back
Speaker 1: then was like how he moved. It was like effortlessly right,
Speaker 1: like it was like I'm supposed to do this. So
Speaker 1: I went, you know, I was rocking, you know I was.
Speaker 1: I was jamming to his his album. I don't remember
Speaker 1: which one that was. And uh, I walked out and
Speaker 1: then Um Smith, one of the ESPN reporters, were standing
Speaker 1: right there, and I was like, yo, bro, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the best game I've ever played. And I said,
Speaker 1: just remember I said this. So then we fast forward
Speaker 1: getting into the game. We get into the game, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was just catching the ball. I was
Speaker 1: just balled like I was, like I said, I was,
Speaker 1: I was embracing my enner jay Z. I would catch
Speaker 1: the ball, would get up to flip the ball to
Speaker 1: the ref, had my head down. Somebody trying to talk
Speaker 1: to me. I don't hear you, and uh, I think
Speaker 1: I was around like eighteen catches. I remember Kenny McKinley
Speaker 1: came sat next to me on the bench. He's like, bro,
Speaker 1: he looked at me where I'm like, Bro, what are
Speaker 1: you staring at me like this? He said, Bro, you
Speaker 1: got eighteen catches. I said what he said? You got
Speaker 1: eighteen catches? Bro, You're about to break the NFL record.
Speaker 1: I said, boy, whyite? You didin't been telling me this?
Speaker 1: So I was in the zone, man like I called it,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. And then I just remember being in
Speaker 1: that like that zone. We always talked about that as
Speaker 1: an act like man like. I don't even remember what happened.
Speaker 1: I was so locked in too, just bawling that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't even know I had those many catches.
Speaker 1: That's dope. And that zone for real. You're traded from
Speaker 1: the Broncos to the Dolphins in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: Earlier in the interview, you said that you and j
Speaker 1: Cutler just had looks because that's what kind of chemistry
Speaker 1: you had. So you went with Chad Henny for two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, Matt Moore for two thousand eleven. You
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards both seasons. How tough was it
Speaker 1: developing chemistry after having such great chemistry over in Denver
Speaker 1: with color. Yeah, that was the hardest thing, man. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I I used that story to talk
Speaker 1: about Odell in his situation in Cleveland this past two years.
Speaker 1: But for me, you know, like I made my money
Speaker 1: just beating man and man coverage, and that was our
Speaker 1: all fense in Denver. It was, you know, Jay and
Speaker 1: I just tooking into coaches just said all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna develop our offense this way. Like one day we
Speaker 1: went out there and it was you know, I was
Speaker 1: single backside, one on one. We didn't like it. Jay
Speaker 1: looked at me, He gave me a go route. We connected,
Speaker 1: and then we came back. They did something else. He
Speaker 1: gave me a slant. We connected, came back. They gave
Speaker 1: me a look. I said, Jay, let's running out. We
Speaker 1: ran out. We connected. Come fast forward to that Monday
Speaker 1: morning meeting. Jeremy Bates was like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the hell you guys are doing, but I like it.
Speaker 1: So what we would put plays and we would say
Speaker 1: front side, you gotta play Jay and Brandon, y'all figure
Speaker 1: it out. Y'all get out there. We would literally call
Speaker 1: you know, trips right, Z zing bingo? What were you
Speaker 1: the Z or the X hands? It I was ex
Speaker 1: I was backside, so they would say X hand signal,
Speaker 1: that was the that was the place. So we would
Speaker 1: go off right. So now you fast forward to going
Speaker 1: in the henty and that was really frustrating for me
Speaker 1: because I'll be one on one and he wouldn't even
Speaker 1: look my way and throw me the ball. He would
Speaker 1: be going through his progression. I'm like, this is why
Speaker 1: you got the money, paid me the money I came
Speaker 1: here because of that. Yeah, So that was that was frustrating. Man.
Speaker 1: How long did it take for you? Did you guys
Speaker 1: developed that at all? Or no? Henny, Matt Moore, Tyler Thick, Penn,
Speaker 1: who who I'm gonna sounding like on a minute. So
Speaker 1: I love playing with the way Matt Moore actually would
Speaker 1: throw it to me like he was like, yeo, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna drop back if you want to want um
Speaker 1: throwing to you. So that was cool. He was little
Speaker 1: limited at quarterback, but I love playing with him. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, we never developed that. And it wasn't until like,
Speaker 1: you know, my second my second year in in Miami.
Speaker 1: I remember watching Sunday night football and seeing Jay Cut
Speaker 1: just being smashed and he was probably getting hit every
Speaker 1: time he dropped by back, and I just hit him out, like, bro, man,
Speaker 1: you all right? Man, I just watching this man, keep
Speaker 1: your head up. And yeah, we just started talking. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we come to Chicago. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't asking for no trade. Bro, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: pray on it and see what happened after the season,
Speaker 1: But I would love to come ball with you that offseason. Man.
Speaker 1: They called me and then and they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, Chicago wing the trade for you. Jay stood
Speaker 1: on the table just like Tom Brady stood on the
Speaker 1: table for a b and and they brought me and
Speaker 1: JA was like, I need to X go right. You know.
Speaker 1: I went right to Chicago and we picked right up
Speaker 1: where I left off when we left off. I mean,
Speaker 1: you came in with the monster. You're a d eighteen receptions,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards and eleven touchdowns and not your sixth
Speaker 1: one thousand yards seasons. I mean how did that feel?
Speaker 1: It felt good because, like I was, that was the
Speaker 1: first time I listened to the media. Was my last
Speaker 1: year when I was playing for the Dolphins. You know,
Speaker 1: I went from back to back to back, hundred yards,
Speaker 1: hundred kept seasons, Pro Bowls, back to back, and you know,
Speaker 1: that was the first time, like the newspaper clipp and
Speaker 1: I was reading it, and I was struggling, and I
Speaker 1: didn't have amazing numbers like a D catches hair a
Speaker 1: D catches there, three touchdowns, four touches, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: So what I ended up doing is I took all
Speaker 1: the clips of all my drop balls and I would
Speaker 1: go home after practice and I would literally catch twenty
Speaker 1: of those like in that same position. So like I
Speaker 1: we played in San Diego and I was running down
Speaker 1: the left side of the field. It was like I
Speaker 1: would have been like the seventy seven yard touchdown, but
Speaker 1: I lost the ball in the lights, and I was
Speaker 1: like damn. So I went home. I put the lights
Speaker 1: on on my basketball court and I had my trainer
Speaker 1: throw it up in the lights and I would track
Speaker 1: the ball coming out of the lights. And so what
Speaker 1: I did is I took all those catches and I
Speaker 1: just kept working on and working on, work on it
Speaker 1: fast forward. It didn't happen that next year. I mean,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen that year, didn't turn it around because
Speaker 1: I was trying to ball finish off the season strong.
Speaker 1: Then that next years when I had that hundred eighteen catches, man,
Speaker 1: and you know I ain't it felt like I ain't
Speaker 1: dropped anything. So I just that's what I remember from
Speaker 1: that season was how I put that work in the
Speaker 1: year before and how it ended up panning out. You know,
Speaker 1: in Chicago that sounds like some code ship they said
Speaker 1: code mr up. Was it a free throw or a jumper?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's urban legend, but they said
Speaker 1: he worked one summer with just a bunch of lights
Speaker 1: right in his face, just so a camera flash would
Speaker 1: never funk with him. Again, Well, it's it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: I would I mean, you know, you learn a lot
Speaker 1: as an athlete, you know when you and when you're
Speaker 1: in those moments and and from that play, Like what
Speaker 1: I would start doing is actually before the game start,
Speaker 1: I would walk the entire stadium. That's find any blind spots,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know if you ever had
Speaker 1: a moment where you're like, man like I I got.
Speaker 1: If I knew this was happening, I could have prepared
Speaker 1: changed your preparation for me. It was like before the game,
Speaker 1: I would walk to the stadium and look at everything,
Speaker 1: every inch of the grass, if there was any debits,
Speaker 1: any blind spots. You were paired with Matt Forte that year,
Speaker 1: very solid offense. You guys ended up going ten and six,
Speaker 1: but not making the playoffs. How disappointing was that because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you came out with the monster year.
Speaker 1: You're reunited, but probably one of your favorite quarterbacks you
Speaker 1: played with you in your career, Matt Forte, was in
Speaker 1: his bag, and you guys still fell short with a
Speaker 1: ten and six record. That's I mean most of the
Speaker 1: time ten and six nine percent the time, that's a
Speaker 1: playoff record. So you know, you guys know how it is.
Speaker 1: Man Like you put so much work into it. And
Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier, like that mindset of a
Speaker 1: right now shift from you know, getting that contract to
Speaker 1: now winning the Super Bowl, and everything I did was
Speaker 1: for that moment, So like, I was so locked in
Speaker 1: every every waking moment, and for us to lose it
Speaker 1: was it was. It was devastating. I remember we win,
Speaker 1: we in with a Minnesota Viking loss. So as we
Speaker 1: lad we played Detroit, we beat Detroit. We we handle
Speaker 1: our business. We fly back to Chicago and we're on
Speaker 1: a bus heading to UH Lake four's tool to headquarters
Speaker 1: and we're watching the game as we're going and we
Speaker 1: just need Minnesota, I believe to win. I believe it
Speaker 1: was for Minnesota to win. And they lost or no
Speaker 1: yet and they lost, and all of us, just like
Speaker 1: you know, le Levy Smith was fired after that year.
Speaker 1: They let go of a cute a few key players,
Speaker 1: Brian or a Lacker, and nothing was the same sense
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Did it ever? Where on you? Obviously you
Speaker 1: said it's something you still think about, but it did
Speaker 1: where on your you off the field, your attitude towards
Speaker 1: your family or your friends, or your mental approach to
Speaker 1: the lack of being able to get to the playoffs
Speaker 1: and your job. Where in your personal life now? I
Speaker 1: think my uh, just my dedication weird on my family. Um,
Speaker 1: and that was part of you know, where I had
Speaker 1: to find ones, you know, as part of that whole
Speaker 1: mental health journey to man my my second anniversary, I
Speaker 1: went to Whole Foods, brought my steak norhamonal norh hormonal steak,
Speaker 1: all my season my pots and my pan because you
Speaker 1: know the bad you know they talk about different type
Speaker 1: of uh you know things and pans. Like it was.
Speaker 1: I was just on this health kick. So i go
Speaker 1: down to Prime one twelve at four o'clock or four
Speaker 1: o'clock that day and I'm like, look, I'm coming from
Speaker 1: my anniversary, but here's my food. This is how I
Speaker 1: want you to prepare it. Like bro, I was so
Speaker 1: I was that wow on my preparation, how I took
Speaker 1: care of my body. That it just I didn't have
Speaker 1: a life outside of the ball. That's all I wanted
Speaker 1: to do was just be great. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to the point, and I always used as an
Speaker 1: example because I'm like, damn, looking back on it, that
Speaker 1: was crazy. Like one day in the off season. One
Speaker 1: day in the off season, I can't just go to
Speaker 1: Prime one twelve and say, you know, cook me, give
Speaker 1: me your inflated me on like I went to Old Foods,
Speaker 1: made sure it was norm hormonal, gave him my seasoning
Speaker 1: my pants right. My wife looking at me like, yo,
Speaker 1: you're crazy man, You how did the inside the NFL
Speaker 1: opportunity to present itself? Oh man, Bill, you see. So
Speaker 1: just studying, like I said, spent three months with Ania
Speaker 1: l Verse the Harvard class and just studying like how
Speaker 1: guys transmission and u let magic, Johnson lived Strong stood
Speaker 1: out to me. Boomer size and Dugs Low like a
Speaker 1: couple of guys stood out to me. It did well
Speaker 1: with their platform. And so after we got out of
Speaker 1: that case study, I put a game plan together. It's
Speaker 1: like two thousand and fourteen. I said, Okay, let me
Speaker 1: do it now, so I can actually make that transition
Speaker 1: uh seamlessly. So I said, every year I'm going tour,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do I'm going out the Bristol, get
Speaker 1: on ESPN, I'm going out to l A through some
Speaker 1: of the lifestyle stuff. But I want to meet the executives.
Speaker 1: I want to meet the producers. I want to get
Speaker 1: the reps. So when I'm ready to move on, it's
Speaker 1: already set up. So the first time I went on tour,
Speaker 1: I called it going on tour. C A A hit
Speaker 1: me up, wm me, hit me up. All these ages
Speaker 1: hit me up. I didn't even know you needed a
Speaker 1: broadcasting agent. I thought my football agent was going, you know,
Speaker 1: my TV deal. So all these ages hit me up
Speaker 1: in Josh Pott for W and Me. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: I love what I just saw. Let's work. So literally,
Speaker 1: you know, a week later, he's like, there might be
Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to go on showtime inside the NFL.
Speaker 1: Be the first active athlete doing full time broadcasting. So
Speaker 1: that's how that came about, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why the Chicago Bears shipped me out of there.
Speaker 1: It's like, we don't want that. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: get that. So that they had an issue with you
Speaker 1: doing stuff in the off season. I'm sleep, not the
Speaker 1: off season. In season, what I was doing was so
Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL every Tuesday, it's pretty much
Speaker 1: universal that guys are off. So everybody's off. That's your off.
Speaker 1: They do whatever you want, take care of your body,
Speaker 1: but just chill um. So we shoot inside the NFL
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Ah in New York, that's right. So I
Speaker 1: would wake up. I would wake up at like four
Speaker 1: in the morning. The PJ would leave five thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning. I'll leave from actually like Indiana, it was
Speaker 1: forty five minutes away. From the city of Chicago, take off,
Speaker 1: landing Teterboro. From Teterborough, we would be on you know,
Speaker 1: we will shoot to the city. I'll be on set
Speaker 1: around ten thirty. We would start shooting from twelve at twelve,
Speaker 1: at twelve to two thirty, we're shooting at four o'clock.
Speaker 1: I'm back at Teterborough. I'm landing in Chicago at five o'clock. Right.
Speaker 1: So that was my days on on on Tuesdays. And
Speaker 1: they didn't like that. He thought it was a distraction,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just went for yards, Like why
Speaker 1: is it a distraction? You know? So the new the
Speaker 1: new regime, when they came in, they were like, look,
Speaker 1: it's either you stopped doing this or or or else.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: moving forward because then they got back to what we
Speaker 1: talked about early, like just being institutionalized. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: got once in a lifetime opportunity to do something built,
Speaker 1: something bigger than the game of football. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: still bawling. I said, what's more of a distraction me
Speaker 1: talking shop on Tuesdays on showtime about football or me
Speaker 1: going to the club every night, coming in drunk. It
Speaker 1: was more of a distraction to the team. It's that
Speaker 1: bullshit business side of everything. How dope was it though,
Speaker 1: to be able to actively be playing in the NFL
Speaker 1: to doing your thing but still being able to talk
Speaker 1: about the rest of the league on Tuesdays. It was challenging.
Speaker 1: Bro I absolutely hated it because you know, it was
Speaker 1: uh like an art to it where I couldn't like hell, hell,
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't even want I wasn't even
Speaker 1: watching all the games, so I couldn't even really I
Speaker 1: had to finesse it because I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: was going on. I knew my matchups, I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: what teams I was playing against. So it was challenging
Speaker 1: because you know, we never want to, you know, give
Speaker 1: bulletin board material. So it was a way of trying
Speaker 1: to entertain without saying something crazy like now I get
Speaker 1: on there, you know, like yesterday on on first things First,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the worst year Bill Belichick ever had.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he's the goat, but he's terrible. He's
Speaker 1: having a terrible year, right, Like, I would never say
Speaker 1: that when I'm playing, because there's going to be a
Speaker 1: distraction to absolutely you know, you couldn't speak Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I couldn't go up there and say, Baker Mayfield is
Speaker 1: a bus I do it now, right, But like I
Speaker 1: tried to do it where you know, I was still entertaining,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't creating major headlines that could be a
Speaker 1: distraction to the team. Right. So you end up um
Speaker 1: with the Jets in two thousand and fifteen have another
Speaker 1: monster season. Hundred nine receptions, fifteen hunere yards again fourteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns led the NFL. What was it like, first and
Speaker 1: Foremus going to the Jets, but then playing in the
Speaker 1: biggest media market in the world. You know, I was
Speaker 1: the whole plan, man, Like I just I felt like
Speaker 1: being there, I would I could extend, you know, my
Speaker 1: time on showtime and then obviously get an opportunity to win.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like we were a quarterback away there.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought Geno Smith could develop. I
Speaker 1: didn't think he would get it year one, but I
Speaker 1: thought our our second year together with Todd Bowls that
Speaker 1: it could happen. To me. It was the you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting the best of both worlds. Off the field,
Speaker 1: I was exactly where I wanted to be on and field,
Speaker 1: I felt like we had an opportunity to compete. We
Speaker 1: went back and got the real reevers, Antonio Comarty. The
Speaker 1: deepense was was was you know, on paper, was supposed
Speaker 1: to be really good. They were really good that first year,
Speaker 1: and offensively I thought I was the difference maker. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, if they used me correct act league, that
Speaker 1: we would be good enough to to to win ball
Speaker 1: games and make some noise. Mm hmmmm. Who was the
Speaker 1: one quarterback during your career you wish you got a
Speaker 1: chance to play with? Oh, I played with him, but
Speaker 1: it was too late. Russell Wilson bro Yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: my that's my style. It's like, just give me a chance,
Speaker 1: like Russell one on one, I'm coming to you and
Speaker 1: it's and I also like that set up in Seattle
Speaker 1: where they're going to run the ball, which gives me
Speaker 1: favorable matchups outside one on one. But Russell Wilson, I
Speaker 1: just loved how he played. He extended plays where you
Speaker 1: know the players never did. He's gonna get out of
Speaker 1: the pocket, keep running, keep going, try to find a
Speaker 1: way to get open. I'm throwing the ball. So he
Speaker 1: was that guy. But if you know another guy, you
Speaker 1: know I would enjoyed playing with with being like Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Tom Brady to go. But I love
Speaker 1: those guys because it's still a little bit of backyard football,
Speaker 1: like one on one, you know, like you know, and
Speaker 1: then also look out there running slam go out, you know,
Speaker 1: off scripted plays, favorite dB to match up against or
Speaker 1: who you loved talking ship to. So champ Bailey, I
Speaker 1: practiced against him, and then you know, he was on
Speaker 1: my team in Denver, and then we played against each
Speaker 1: other when I went to Miami. Cham Bailey was a dog.
Speaker 1: He was. He was my hardest matchup. He was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I developed. And then also um
Speaker 1: Drell Reeve was hand down probably the hardest matchup. Like
Speaker 1: this dude had a stretch where nobody went over a
Speaker 1: hundred yards. We're talking about Randy Moss, Reggie, Wayne Andre Johnson,
Speaker 1: Chad Ocho, Sinko, you name it, the Larry Fitzgerald Megatron.
Speaker 1: Nobody could get off on this dude. So revous Island bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, he was alright, right, Randy Random, I
Speaker 1: was dead burned his ass and catching one hand and
Speaker 1: that was one. That was one. And then after that
Speaker 1: played and then after that played, he pulled his hand.
Speaker 1: He was out. He was a handstring. I just think
Speaker 1: pe was hurt. On a serious note, March two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen, you partnered up with Logic, UH, Glenn Close
Speaker 1: and his wife to start a group called can You Relate?
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us what that was about? Typically,
Speaker 1: we have our first break from the aide at the
Speaker 1: age range of eighteen and twenty two, eighteen and twenty two,
Speaker 1: where we're at on college, we're in college, so you know,
Speaker 1: what we focused a lot on during that time was
Speaker 1: how do we bridge the gap between our college students
Speaker 1: and mental health and then understanding what services they had.
Speaker 1: So what we did is we actually put together an
Speaker 1: entire week where we brought out Logic and some other
Speaker 1: folks to really highlight mental health and have that discussion.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't understand. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I've been good all my life and now I'm having
Speaker 1: this first like what is this I'm feeling? Well, that's anxiety,
Speaker 1: and they don't even know what it is. They feel
Speaker 1: like they died, they're dying, they feel like they're having
Speaker 1: a heart attack, but the reality is anxiety, depression, you know,
Speaker 1: the sense of you know, m I work that. You know,
Speaker 1: you come from a place where you're you're the best
Speaker 1: person in your class, the best person in your sport,
Speaker 1: and now you in a pool full of people that's talented.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that happens on the college campus,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's important for us to give
Speaker 1: our college students resources that they need to deal with
Speaker 1: these mental health challenges. That's all right, we're quick hitters.
Speaker 1: Now this is the end of the show. So I'll
Speaker 1: take the first one. Who are your top five artists?
Speaker 1: Top five artists? I gotta go with jay Z number one. Um,
Speaker 1: I love Biggie, I love Rick Ross and we're talking
Speaker 1: about rap, right yeah, all right, so so jay Z,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go with Biggie. We're gonna go with Rick Ross.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with you know, oh man five five
Speaker 1: you need five Jack Jack Jack through Michael McDonald in
Speaker 1: there last week. So feel free to stray outside of rapp.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me go some new school. Let me
Speaker 1: go some new school right now. So new school. You know,
Speaker 1: I like listening to I like listening to the Baby
Speaker 1: hel and uh, you know, I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: Park to Like, man, this is a leg I still
Speaker 1: listen to Park all the time. Like Park is one
Speaker 1: of those dudes where you know you can lift weights
Speaker 1: to it and also you can sit back and vibe
Speaker 1: to it. So I love listening to Park so many
Speaker 1: different ways and fight to them. And that motherfucker had
Speaker 1: a song for every emotion, every human emotion that was
Speaker 1: that was given to us. Yeah, Pop man speaking the
Speaker 1: pot and you're working out, give me three songs on
Speaker 1: your training playlist, So three songs on my training latest
Speaker 1: right now? Um, I'm listening to this just sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: But Fetty Walk got a joint from two thousand and
Speaker 1: seventeen that I just found me, I just found So
Speaker 1: Fetty Walk got a joint called a that I'm listening
Speaker 1: to heavy right now. Yeah, um, T I gotta what
Speaker 1: is it? T I just came out with something. His
Speaker 1: last project was nice. Yeah that that shocked me. And man,
Speaker 1: what else am I listening to? So those are the
Speaker 1: top Those are two that on rotation and then the also, um,
Speaker 1: what's the kid out in Detroit? Big Big Sean. Big
Speaker 1: Sean got a few projects out right now, a few
Speaker 1: joints out Big Sean. Yeah, Big Sean album is high.
Speaker 1: I'm still pop smoke. Hey, I didn't with all due respect,
Speaker 1: rest in peace, I didn't really know too much because
Speaker 1: I didn't. I haven't really give there's a handful of
Speaker 1: these young boys I listened to. But that pop Smoke album,
Speaker 1: you gotta give your hat to him. And and fifty
Speaker 1: did a great job producing that ship. That was a
Speaker 1: hell of album. Shout out fifty cent man for sure.
Speaker 1: And I know, and you know, like I didn't even
Speaker 1: know nothing about Nipsey for real, So that that that
Speaker 1: hustle that I still listened to that as well, Um,
Speaker 1: motivate call hustle, Yeah, hustle and motivate that joint go hard.
Speaker 1: That's always like a snowboard too. So like I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of Nipsey when I snowboard? Is that right? Well?
Speaker 1: What got you in the snowboard? I would have never
Speaker 1: expected that you gotta go? You might be too tall, y'all,
Speaker 1: how snowboard? Now as snowboards a lot, how bigger the
Speaker 1: ball of us? And he snowboard? I remember sunny Bunno
Speaker 1: y'all can have that snowboard. And I just want to
Speaker 1: know what got you into it. Yeah, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 1: Like I was out there playing in Denver and we
Speaker 1: used to always used That's where I went and got
Speaker 1: my my surgery. I had three hip surgeries in bell Colorado,
Speaker 1: and everybody with ski and I never got it. So
Speaker 1: when when one trip my wife is like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to go ski and I want to try
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I'll be down at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the mount Then the next trip she
Speaker 1: finally got me to just, you know, take a class,
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with it. Bro. I was
Speaker 1: just like, get the instructor. I'm gonna follow my way
Speaker 1: down the whole slope figuring out. And we've been snowboarding
Speaker 1: like my my my kids starts snowboarding at three. They
Speaker 1: five now three year olds, going down the mountains, going
Speaker 1: down greens and blues. I don't snowboard. I don't have
Speaker 1: snowboard on ice skate because black people have been skating
Speaker 1: out the ice the whole life. So I'm still still fed.
Speaker 1: Um back to the questions, who is your your wide
Speaker 1: receivers of Mount Rushmore, I'm gonna go with uh, man, No,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I'm gonna get the O
Speaker 1: g s out the way Jerry Rice. Um, well, then
Speaker 1: there's a couple of them Jerry Rice, t O M
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, you know I and then like some new
Speaker 1: school dudes, Julio Jones. I think he's gonna go down
Speaker 1: as one of the greatest. Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. But
Speaker 1: if I had to just give the top five Jerry Rice,
Speaker 1: Randy Mass, Terrell Owens, Julio Jones, Mega Tron Nice Nice, Okay,
Speaker 1: five five dinner guests Alive or the seas just your
Speaker 1: five dinner guess you want to have Denner with a
Speaker 1: love of the season. Plus Obama. I want to sit
Speaker 1: down with Obama. He's all he's on, He's on everybody list.
Speaker 1: This one's gonna trip you out. But I want to
Speaker 1: sit down with Trump. Wow, I want that? Yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: Like you don't think that'd be an interesting conversation, Like absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's interesting. Um I met Hols before, but like he's
Speaker 1: up there. Like I respect how he moved out. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, there ain't too many people that really, you know,
Speaker 1: excite me outside of what they do. I just love
Speaker 1: how he's he's he's paving away. Um, so we got
Speaker 1: hold there. Number four, I would say, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't even know who would be for Martin Luther King.
Speaker 1: I would love to sit down with Martin Luther King.
Speaker 1: And the last person I would say is you know, man,
Speaker 1: let's throw it. Uh. I don't know who you got jack?
Speaker 1: Who you got? Give me one jack? Uh, I'd just
Speaker 1: give you what I'll give you. Uh, probably a mega
Speaker 1: evers nice okay, cool, a nice little dinner. All right.
Speaker 1: So last question, and we always have to pre prep
Speaker 1: you if you the way you answer this last question,
Speaker 1: if you have access to him, we need your help
Speaker 1: getting them. Who's one guest you'd want to see on
Speaker 1: all the smoke? Oh all the smoke? Drum roll? Please
Speaker 1: bring who would be Dope jay Z? Yeah? We that's
Speaker 1: what you need. He right there. It's just he's out here.
Speaker 1: It's just harder. Yeah, that's a rich motherfucker's just hard
Speaker 1: to get to him. He's out here though. Hold no hope.
Speaker 1: I think I think hoping me here that clip Hold
Speaker 1: would definitely come in because you know, like yeah for real,
Speaker 1: like he like what y'all doing. You gotta respect the
Speaker 1: movement like you gotta y'all had y'all had Kobe d Wade.
Speaker 1: I mean you got Biden, you got some like y'all.
Speaker 1: I mean y'all. Right there, we need hope, Hold, we
Speaker 1: need you, we need you all. We need you. Heard conversation.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you to will be your
Speaker 1: first question? You get hold, what's the first question. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for the biggest segment. What's gonna be for?
Speaker 1: We need we need Puma contracts, we need a Puma sponsor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My first question would probably be knowing where you came from,
Speaker 1: did you ever see yourself being becoming a billionaire? Oh? Wow?
Speaker 1: I mean he came from the streets slaying crack and
Speaker 1: he's a fifty year old billionaire. Now he's named another
Speaker 1: one that it's not dead or in prison, right man.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know. I think he would
Speaker 1: say no. I think he would say yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: thought I would be super successful, but billion there I
Speaker 1: would I would who who? Who rooms up from the
Speaker 1: hood saying I'm gonna be a billy? Well now the
Speaker 1: kids now, kids now when I say that, but not
Speaker 1: back then his answer. I would like to hear your answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, thank you, Brandon. We appreciate it. We apologize
Speaker 1: that we had to cancel on you last week, but
Speaker 1: we had to get some things done. But man, thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. Best to luck with everything you're doing.
Speaker 1: Me and Jack array to come on your show whenever
Speaker 1: you need us to let us know. Bro. Oh bet,
Speaker 1: Bet appreciate it. I appreciate it. Bro, that's a rap.
Speaker 1: Another episode of All the Smoke with our guests Brandon Marshall.
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