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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guys. What's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you something I never

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Speaker 1: told him back. I want to smoke. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition of All the Smoke. My brother Jack, what's up, bro?

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Speaker 1: We got my man, Brandon Marshall, thirteen year in the

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Speaker 1: NFL VET. I want to teut your horn a little bit, bro,

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Speaker 1: six time pro bowler, uh all pro, only one of

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Speaker 1: six players to catch a hundred balls in three consecutive

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Speaker 1: seasons in the most yards ever without playing in a

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Speaker 1: postseason game. That park only got to hurt a little bit. Huh,

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Speaker 1: you do so good? No, but I want to talk

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Speaker 1: because because you killed I mean, I mean, damn near

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Speaker 1: twelve thousand, five hundred yards, but you didn't get a

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Speaker 1: chair us to play in the playoffs. And obviously, looking back,

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Speaker 1: we're all retired now, and looking back, you kind of

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Speaker 1: look back and some of the most prominent things to

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Speaker 1: me stick out our playoffs. How tough was it for

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Speaker 1: you never to get over that hump. You know what.

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Speaker 1: The first half of my career, it was all about me,

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Speaker 1: and you know it was you know, everything I thought

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Speaker 1: about was like how can I take care of my family?

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Speaker 1: And I would say the first year of my career,

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Speaker 1: I was out there having fun. I was excited. And

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Speaker 1: then once I saw the guys around me, you know,

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Speaker 1: living the way they were and taking care of their people,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that's when it shifted for me, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is a real business, and my mind shifted to business.

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Speaker 1: But it was from a selfish standpoint. And once I

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Speaker 1: got that contract and it was the biggest contract at

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position in NFL history when I went

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Speaker 1: to the Dolphins in two thousand and eleven, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and ten, excuse me, um, then I started thinking about team.

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Speaker 1: Like me, I always thought like, oh if our ball,

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Speaker 1: then the team's gonna be better. But like I literally

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Speaker 1: thought every single day, like I want to win the championship.

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Speaker 1: I want that confetti coming down on me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I started thinking about the big picture. Uh So it was.

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Speaker 1: It drove me the second half of my career and

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Speaker 1: it kept me up so many nights, bro and and

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm proud of my career, but it

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Speaker 1: is one of those things like damn, like I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: live the rest of my life, you know, that's that's tough,

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Speaker 1: but like I'm built for it, right because like it came.

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Speaker 1: It came a point in my life where I realized, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, football doesn't define me. And but at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I consider myself an ultimate competitor

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Speaker 1: and I know how bad I wanted it and it

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Speaker 1: didn't happen that that was the one goal that I

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to accomplish. Like I wanted to have a

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Speaker 1: hundred catchers this season. I wanted to go to the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. It's like when I put my mind to something,

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Speaker 1: it just happened. So like not thinking to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: You want to could do so much. You know, as

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Speaker 1: as a receiver, especially in football, you it's a team sport.

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Speaker 1: You need everybody to have that same passion. Even with basketball,

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Speaker 1: you need everybody to be on the same page. And

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Speaker 1: football is more guys out there. You might have, but

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Speaker 1: You've got two guys just just just half ass, and

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Speaker 1: so you need everybody had that same mentality to win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, just like an NBA one hundred percent bro. Like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if I agree with

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Speaker 1: when I grew up playing basketball au I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: we're good and play lights out on the defensive side.

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Speaker 1: So I was always my mentality. Obviously I didn't think

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Speaker 1: it's the league. I didn't even play in college, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But in football, man, it's like even

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Speaker 1: at Odell Beckham Jr. That's a example the last three years,

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Speaker 1: and that's you can't get the ball. So why is

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Speaker 1: why is? Why is my numbers better than his at

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Speaker 1: his point in his career, when he's the better receiver,

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Speaker 1: time Like wins obviously were great, but you guys took

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Speaker 1: but guys just kind of being able to shake losses off.

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Speaker 1: Explained where that competitive nature came from. Uh, comes from

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Speaker 1: where I'm where I'm from. You know, I'm from Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: So for me, you know, one, Pittsburgh, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a game. It was never a game for me,

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Speaker 1: that's why I struggled so much earlier in my career

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Speaker 1: it was always personal. I was like, Yo, this is

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Speaker 1: everything for me. Yeah, you said something interesting. Earlier. I

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Speaker 1: thought I was the only one. But you guys played

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Speaker 1: like you did what I'm like, not for real. We

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. On the South, man, really good football in

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Speaker 1: you be one of the most dynamic receivers. Uh in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, so everything when I was six, I

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Speaker 1: Like you know something about the game. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 1: how we would approach it. Like they would literally tell me,

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Speaker 1: Brandon going to the league and going to RIDDS, don't

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Speaker 1: I'm the exact I'm the same, but the opposite, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, although I played fifteen years in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: my love is football, you know what I mean? And

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Speaker 1: and it's crazy and I always thought, like what would

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Speaker 1: on the exact opposite sides of we we made a

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Speaker 1: other sport. That's right. But do people really know that story? Man?

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I was shocked to here that you know,

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Speaker 1: in football and at the country level. That's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you really know that. Well, you gotta think too,

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Speaker 1: old film. And I'm working on a documentary right now

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Speaker 1: continuing to press the message. What do you feel like

427
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: the NFL can learn um from not necessary the bubble,

428
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: because we know the NFL can't do a bubble, but

429
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: kind of continuing to empower its players and allowing them

430
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: to be really voices that are heard because there's a

431
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of superstars in the NFL, but the NFL has

432
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: never really been as outspoken as the as the NBA has.

433
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: What do you feel like the NFL can learn from

434
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: us everything? I mean absolutely everything? Um wow, Like we're

435
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: institutionalized as football players, man, you know, and I understand

436
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: that it's a business. You know, um, they owned the team,

437
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you know, our

438
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 1: platforms are so powerful and you know it's time for

439
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: the football player, the NFL player that to continue to

440
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: stand up and speak. Like I'll be honest with you

441
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: with with when I when I watched the NBA games,

442
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: the restart the playoffs, like I saw Black Lives Matter.

443
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: I watched and they were talking about it. And then

444
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: also the people who were covering the broadcast or the analysts.

445
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: They were actually talking about it every single night after

446
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: the game. First question, how are you doing? I don't

447
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: see that in the NFL right now. I see some

448
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: little messages here and there, but I don't see that.

449
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: Like even give you an example. You know, on Instagram

450
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: the other day they said, you know, uh, say there's worries.

451
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the movement. That's not what we're saying.

452
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: It's saying saying her, say her name, saying his name.

453
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: But see the NFL, we do this thing where we

454
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: try to act like we're participating, but we're not really participating.

455
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: We're just trying to let's give him enough. You don't

456
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: the box to check the box? What is this like?

457
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know who said in that room,

458
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: even something like are they doing a better job? Yes,

459
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: they're doing a better job. I feel like they was

460
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: forced to do it. What I look at something as

461
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: simple is that, like why do we got to change

462
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: the name and say, you know, say their stories. I

463
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: never saw that on a T shirt. I don't know

464
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: what that is. I know, say her name, but it's

465
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: too controversial, right, it's too political. And I just think

466
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: sometimes we straddle defense in the NFL. I think you

467
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: hit it on the head too, because you know, more

468
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: likely than not. And and no, I mean i'd say

469
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: the NFL owners too, But I think your guys as

470
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: owners stand almost on the exact opposite side of most

471
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Speaker 1: of the players, you know, of the majority of the players.

472
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: So when it gets to talking about police brutality or

473
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: it gets to talking about the victims of police brutality,

474
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, these owners are aligned with a president or

475
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: or hopefully a former president soon that sees nothing wrong

476
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: with it. You know, that sees nothing wrong with what

477
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: these police are doing. And this isn't a problem that obviously,

478
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: this this administrator has created because this has been going

479
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: on for a long time. But the fact that they

480
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: don't condemn it is a problem, and it it just

481
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: continues to leave the door open for other issues. Yeah,

482
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean, when do we put people over politics? You know,

483
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: so like I can look at it. You know, we

484
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: all made money, and to me is like, you know,

485
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: people want to talk about what about the taxes or

486
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: what about the market, And then it's like, yeah, I

487
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: understand that, but what about my life? What about people?

488
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we was lucky, we were we I think

489
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: too often that people like we're lucky enough to make

490
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: it out, like you said, but it's too often and

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying anyone on here, but sometimes when you

492
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: make it out and make that money, you forget that

493
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: you were the lucky one. And there's a whole ship

494
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: load of motherfucker's just like you that didn't make it out.

495
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: So that's who we're looking out for, and that's who

496
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: we're thinking about when we're talking about it. We're talking

497
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: about lives, lives or taxes, Like, come on, man, you

498
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: are we talking about hate or taxes? Like to me,

499
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Speaker 1: there's no comparison. We were lucky nothing. Yeah, we all

500
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: want to keep our money because it was so hard

501
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: to earn and you have to keep up with stuff.

502
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we were fortunate

503
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: to be able to have a savings, to have money

504
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: to put to the side, when the majority of the

505
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: world doesn't. And a lot and and a lot of

506
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: people don't understand. It's a lot of people that's in

507
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: the undeveloped state. Like we're so worried about building these

508
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: buildings and developing instruction and how how this place look.

509
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: But we're not worried about developing the people, and I

510
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: think once we get back to developing the people and

511
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: caring about the people more, we'll start going the right direction. Well,

512
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens in the next couple

513
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: of hours. Look, he just got Wisconsin right and Michigan

514
00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: soothing body is gonna be the guy. Luck out, look out,

515
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: look out, look out. Um. Question, you know this is

516
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: a transition Jack and I made Obviously you've made it

517
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: seamlessly too. But did you find it strange or difficult

518
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: to start covering and talking about the NFL um at

519
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: any point uh post career. I'll be honest with you. Um,

520
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: I never shared this with anybody, only my wife. Uh

521
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: so all them. Yeah. Bro, every time I'm on inside

522
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: the NFL sitting next to Ray Lewis, um Phil Sims

523
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: and we're bringing Mike Irvin and we talked about Hall

524
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: of Fame, we talked about you know, championships and all

525
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: of that, that's when it gets awkward for me because

526
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 1: that like I get I get angry, you know what

527
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that that competitive stuff that we talked

528
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: about earlier in the show, like that's still there. So

529
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: that's the only time that I feel a little weird

530
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: talking about football where you know, we can laugh and

531
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: joke about it, but at the end of the day,

532
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: like it's not a game, right, so we'll make fun

533
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: of it. It's almost like the Charles Barkley effect, right,

534
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like Charles, like you never won the championship,

535
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, how shock be getting on them. So like

536
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: for me, you know, that's the biggest thing for me

537
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: when I think when I think about football, it's like

538
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm over that. I'm you know, I can I still

539
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: probably go out there and catch a couple of balls

540
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: one percent, but I'm over football. I love what I'm

541
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: doing right now. But it's just a simple fact that

542
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I had a goal and I wasn't able to accomplish that.

543
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: So so like when I see it, it's like, man,

544
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm still working through that. I gotta be honest with you, Man,

545
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: it's something you know I'm good because I you know,

546
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: I you know, it wasn't like I just start transitioning.

547
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: Now I'm back in two thousand and fourteen, I spent

548
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: three months with Harvard and I need a Bursey Versey

549
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,239
Speaker 1: looking at athletes who made that transition and what did

550
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: they do, and I was preparing there, so I would

551
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: have been on Showtime for seven years. I had I

552
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: opened this up in two thousand and twelve. We start

553
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: scaling this in two thousand and fourteen, so you know,

554
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: I was already a top on top of it. But

555
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: you know that's the only thing, man, that that that

556
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: keeps me up at night is like, man, like I

557
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: never won a big one. M m m m. Well,

558
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned inside the NFL, which is obviously a part

559
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: of the Showtime family. Jack and I were fortunate enough

560
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: to come on you guys the show last month. What

561
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: I thought was so dope was just the chemistry between

562
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: you guys, between you and Ray talking ship. To feel

563
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: Sam's talking big a. Phil talks big ship and then fails.

564
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: I feel it is funny because I didn't know. I

565
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: just knew Phil as a quarterback. I never got a

566
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: chance to meet him. He's cooled down to earth talk

567
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: ships and then jb All throw a jab in there

568
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: with his O G seal somehing once in a while.

569
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: But that that dynamic between you and Ray is funny.

570
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: I talked to us about, you know, obviously your team

571
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: over that inside the NFL. Yeah, man, we approach like

572
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: it's a locker room, you know, and we've been together

573
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: for six seven years, like you know, Ray came in

574
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: a year later, but like we've been together that long.

575
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: So the more you're around each other, you know, the

576
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: chemistry and the nudity just built. So the way we

577
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: approach it is like we're still competing. Like I'll come

578
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: in and I'm like, yo, don't don't just check the box,

579
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: don't just clock in, like we're gonna We're gonna go

580
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: win the championship. Y'all want y'all championship. This is my championship,

581
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: trying to get a sports Emmy. So no, I don't

582
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: want to talk to what I'm saying it really is

583
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: that is the chemistry, and it's the continuity, and I

584
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: think that's what makes a really good show. And we

585
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: we like each other man, and we're able to push

586
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: each other, call each other out on certain things, hold

587
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: each other accountable, which makes even better TV. Yeah, I

588
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: think that's that's been our secret sauce too is people

589
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: how do you recreate all the smoke? But I think

590
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: it's the chemistry Me and Jack share that we can

591
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: talk ship to each other, crack jokes, be back and forth,

592
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: the mad at each other sometimes, but the love we

593
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: have for each other never waivers. So when we're when

594
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: we're in our element, we're unfunk withable, you know what

595
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean. That's a T shirt. So who has up

596
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: to this point? I mean, obviously no fans. The season

597
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: has been a little different this year, but there's definitely

598
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: some teams that are standing out. Are there any teams

599
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: or players in particular they have stood out or caught

600
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: your eve by surprise this year? Yeah? So, uh, preseason predictions?

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00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, I love what I was. I love the

602
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: thought of what the Steelers could do and not a

603
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: stand here under Okay, okay, hold hold the hold on,

604
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. So you mean it?

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00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me at the beginning of

606
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: this season, you said that Pittsburgh was gonna be undefeated.

607
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm gonna tell you all of my predictions preseason.

608
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell yes to answer your question. Yes, Seattle

609
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Seahawks was my team that I picked on inside the NFL.

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: And first thing, first, I said, come out the NFC.

611
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I said, Russell Wilson will be the m v P.

612
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I said the Pittsburgh Steelers will be my my a

613
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: f C contender. I said, I also like the Coats

614
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: as a dark horse. I like the Tennessee Titans. Right

615
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: so that was my preseason my preseason pick now. And

616
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: I also said the Saints will bust and right now

617
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: they hanging on the Well one thing we know, you

618
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: know football, well, it's it's it's hard to get. It's

619
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Speaker 1: hard to get some preseason predictions, right. But I just

620
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: think that the Pittsburgh Stillers. I still need to see

621
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: Big Ben. Sometimes Big Ben revert back to that back

622
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: your football stuff and just throwing around like you got

623
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: a good defense man, play smart, protect the ball, go

624
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: the way sometimes. M m. What do you think about

625
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: the pickup that the Chiefs were able to get? Someone

626
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: remind me we can edit this. What's the running back

627
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: the Chief Scott? So what do you what do you

628
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: think about the Chief's coming off of Super Bowl, coming

629
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: off Patrick Mahomes and you know he's really doing this thing.

630
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: Where do you think about them being able to pick

631
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: up Levian Beil? All right, so let me ask you

632
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: this question. When you think about the Chiefs, what's the

633
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: first thing you think about? Like, Yo, this team is though,

634
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: because of what my homes. My homes bam right. So

635
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: what I love about the Chiefs is that now they're

636
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: finding different ways to win. We know that my homes

637
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: is dope. We know that he can throw for four

638
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: hundred yards a game, put up for the points. But

639
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: now you they before they added lady On, they was

640
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: running the ball well, they was winning on defense, they

641
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: was winning on special teams. To me, they're a better

642
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: team this year than they was last year because they're

643
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: more complete. So now you put lady on there, how

644
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: you go? How you go? What? Yeah, he ain't got

645
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: no work. How you go two years with the Jets,

646
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: almost two years with the Jets and you never had

647
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: a one rush over fifteen yards and you did it

648
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: twice in your first game with the Chiefs. Come on, man,

649
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: he never is That's about that? So you know, is it?

650
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: Is it a nice pick up? Yes? And and and man,

651
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: we can talk for another hour about you know, this topic.

652
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Because he's also one of the best wide receivers in

653
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: the game him. This is scary. Man. They haven't even

654
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: like really unleashed him yet. Let me hold on what

655
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: y'all think about Tampa? I just love it. So we

656
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: have it right now. I mean, Tom is being Tom

657
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: and I just saw. I mean, I'm watching TV as

658
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing you that you saw today was a BS

659
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: first practice, you know what I mean. So he's out

660
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: there laughing with the guys. I want, I want to

661
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: know your thought. I don't. I don't know if you

662
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: personally know him. I know he's had obviously some some

663
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: ups and downs on the field, a lot of downs

664
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: off the field. I'm glad that he got a chance

665
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: to kind of redeem himself. I know, I know Tom

666
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: fought his ass off to get him. What do you

667
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: think will happen with a B over in Tampa Bay.

668
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: I think he'll be I think he'll be fine, man.

669
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: But the reality is, you know, it takes it takes

670
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: a lot of work, you know what I mean, to

671
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: grow as a man, you know, and you gotta be

672
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: intentional with it. We know him as the player, right

673
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here like I never made any mistakes.

674
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Like I made mistakes. But you know, in the locker

675
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: room and on the team is where I grew up.

676
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: Like in the locker rooms where I learned how to shave.

677
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: In the locker room is where I learned how to

678
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: time my first time, right. So I love that he's

679
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: getting another opportunity, but he gotta be able to embrace,

680
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, his challenges and be better because we know

681
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: you as the player, man, like, just go in there

682
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: and do your job, get your career back on track,

683
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and everything's gonna be loved. It's gonna be good. But

684
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: he gotta make a he gotta take a step forward

685
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: off the field, you know. That's the thing that's been

686
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: holding him back obviously. Yeah, I think it's unfortunate too,

687
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: because I think some people get caught up in this

688
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: social media trying to prove stuff to people. Because I mean,

689
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: we could walk down this whole situation when he went

690
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: with the Raiders and then he got on Instagram talking

691
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: about he wasn't gonna do this, this and that, and

692
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: then got cut and tried to flip it in the hole.

693
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: To me, it was just, you know, less was more

694
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, you didn't want to be there.

695
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: You got up out of there, sit back and get

696
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: ready to go to work. But I think he was

697
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: addicted to the attention and and and a lot of

698
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: negativity came and it says a lot about his talent

699
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: because people don't get as many chances as he's gotten,

700
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and and and it's a testament

701
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: to how fucking talented the dude is. But like you said,

702
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: you hope he develops as a man, because if there's

703
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: no development as a man, we're never gonna get to

704
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: see that a B on the field again. Yeah that's right,

705
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. After that situation um in Oakland,

706
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: then he went to New England, he kept he kept

707
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: with the nonsense. He went out and did a whole album,

708
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: a whole rap video, crazy bro right. So but so

709
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: he stayed, he stayed on that same path, and once

710
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: they suspended him, he got off of all social media. Now,

711
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: this is a guy for three years social media has

712
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: been actually counter productive for him and pulling him down.

713
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: And so like that's the only sign that he's getting

714
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: it is that the last four months he hasn't done

715
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: anything digitally and that's and you know that's hard for him.

716
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 1: So hopefully he got Hopefully he's he started to work.

717
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: He's still doing the work, and he'll get through this

718
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: and get his career back on track, his life back

719
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: on track. And it seems like everything be good. I

720
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: have a question though, Uh, you know, obviously never playing

721
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I know plugging in a player in

722
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: the n b A is somewhat difficult, but there's not

723
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: as many guys, so he can find his footing faster.

724
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: How hard is it to be plugged in the NFL

725
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: because there's so many more players that are on the field. Yeah,

726
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: it can't. I think it's it's difficult for a quarterback.

727
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Like if you're asking a quarterback to come in, it's

728
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: like learning a new language. But a while conceiver slant robins,

729
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: a slant route like body It's like it's probably the

730
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: same and you know in all sports, but like it's

731
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: like body language. You know, when I get to the

732
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: top of my route, you know, like like what indicators

733
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: am I giving my quarterback that he knows Okay, let

734
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: me let it go right now. Routes and slam route,

735
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: A go route to go route, it's all about me

736
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: and you get on the same page. And the hard

737
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: part is like it got to a point with me

738
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: and Jake Cutler, like Jake Cutler would just look at

739
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: me and I knew what he would what he wanted

740
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: me to do. I would have a slant route on.

741
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: He would just look out, give me a give me

742
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: an eye, and I'll go run and go. Like we

743
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: got We didn't have to give any hands signal to talk, right,

744
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: And that's just that that chemistry that built over the years.

745
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: But like coming in and being able to, you know,

746
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: to to contribute right away, he'll be able to do that. Look,

747
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: he did that in a half in New England, went

748
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: in there fifty four yards and a half a touchdown,

749
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, and then obviously the next week he tweeted

750
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: and then he was out of there. So Tom and

751
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: him already have a connection, so that would expedite the process.

752
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: But I would say that the quarterback position would be

753
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: the position where it's like, yo, we this We need

754
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: some time with him, but just haven't just haven't just

755
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: having somebody to have your back, you know, and then

756
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: not only having your back, it's Tom Brady. You know,

757
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: you got you got time, you got Tom Brady vouching

758
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: for you. Come into a situation where you know you're

759
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: the best player, the best probably the best player in

760
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: the league has your back and you can come in

761
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: and just be a professional, trying to put everything behind you.

762
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: I think that's the best situation for him when you

763
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: got somebody like that. I had that when I had

764
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Tim Dunk and I had Tim Duckan I have my

765
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: back doing when I was right, when I are when

766
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: I was wrong. So Joah, I think that's that's the

767
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: best situation he can be. And having the best player

768
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: in the league behind you, it helped you make that transformation. Yeah.

769
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: And one of the big stories right now around this

770
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: whole deal with Antonio Brown and Tampa is like, you know, uh, Tom,

771
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Like he moved into Tom Brady's house, so I got, yeah, roommates.

772
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: He did the same thing in New England and now

773
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: it's in Tampa. Have y'all ever had a teammate live

774
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: with y'all? Have y'all ever lived with a teammate for

775
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: off season or through a transition period, trade or anything

776
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: like that. I used to. I used to every time

777
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I go to Bay. I stayed in Matt House. We

778
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: didn't live together, But I remember a lot of teams

779
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I've been all out. That was a rookie guys that

780
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: come in that try out that I was cool with it.

781
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: I was from my area doing training camp. They stayed

782
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: at my house. Yeah, a lot of people don't understand

783
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about that on one of our shows.

784
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Uh you know what, we talked about it this morning,

785
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: and people like, what, why, why why is he staying

786
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. I'm like, man, like you guys don't understand,

787
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: like it's a brotherhood. It's like my brother absolutely. I know.

788
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: One thing I used to try to do, um was

789
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: for the holidays, you know what I mean, because we

790
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: were always on you know, Thanksgiving, Christmas unless you're playing.

791
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to play a lot of the

792
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: years in my league, but the holidays are lonely, you

793
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that was one thing I

794
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: always trying to do is I would always try to

795
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: have the younger players coming to my house and whether

796
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: my mom cooking before she passed, Rest in peace, or

797
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: we would order food, just to kind of have some

798
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: sort of that family feel because people think we're athletes

799
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: and nothing bothered us. And it's easy because we got

800
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: but as we go through all those same emotions, man,

801
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: of being lonely and missing our family, and like you said,

802
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: ay be living with Tom to build that chemistry where

803
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: he the beings to first and foremost, and you know,

804
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: to try to make it as comfortable and as smooth

805
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: as possible as a goal, especially with your teammates. That's right, Yeah,

806
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: I got it. Let's I know you've probably got another

807
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: question or two, but I gotta like change topics real quick.

808
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: N b A go ahead. I got a prediction. The

809
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Clippers will win it. The Clippers will will will win

810
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: it next year. Ship, I said that this year. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

811
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: and and and and he still owes me my tin

812
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: cushupsh Ship, Hey, bro, tell me tell me why you

813
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: tell me why you think that? Tell me why you

814
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: tell me why you think that? Though No, no, no, no,

815
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: be cushups, not push ups, cushups, oh, cush ups. Smoking

816
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: every every pushup you inhaling or exhaling with a joint

817
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: or blunt in your mouth. I don't smoke weeds or

818
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: it's that hard. Yeah, you gotta breathe, You gotta breathe.

819
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: It's it's yes. And he gotta record it. And he

820
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: got to record it and put it online like I

821
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: did too. You know, that's what we gotta that's what

822
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: we gotta do. We gotta do that. Like if I

823
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: decided to smoke, let me stop lying. I tried it before.

824
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I tried it before, um you know, uh for about

825
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: a year. That's actually that's how I knew I need

826
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: to go get some help because actually, when I smoked,

827
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I felt better. And I did that a couple of times.

828
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: But as a whole another story. But if I get

829
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: back to it, then I'm when we come at l A, yeah, yeah, yeah,

830
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: y'all gonna have to we we got you. But but

831
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: but here the Clippers. Here's why I like the Clippers,

832
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if Paul George, if Paul George, if

833
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: he can get back into his rhythm. You know, now

834
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: we're looking at two of the top you know, I

835
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he slid out of the top ten,

836
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: but you got two the top fifteen NBA players. You know,

837
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: they can play ball, they play defense, and that's that's

838
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: what's missing in the NBA to me now is you

839
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: only have like three or four teams in the league

840
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: that can play defense and offensively, you got Mr Consistent,

841
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: uh Kawai Leonard, and I like Paul George. I need

842
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more of the Paul George on the

843
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: offensive end. And I understand he said I was dealing

844
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: with a little anxiety a little depression. Maybe he needed

845
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to do some some coushups in the bubble. He got

846
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: his mind like some cusshups. If he can do some

847
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: cushups this offseason, get his mind right, then you know

848
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna be right there. But that well, here's the problem,

849
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: like in that locker room is divided, like you you

850
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: gotta know, man, who the superstars is. So if if

851
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: if duc and and and lewis saying, if they saying, look,

852
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna embrace low management, if we're gonna embrace like

853
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: giving that superstar status, then you either speak your piece

854
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this season or you hope keep

855
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: get upright like that's the superstar. So for me, I

856
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: think Tyl Lose gonna do a good job of saying

857
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. And everybody in that locker

858
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: room they gotta they gotta they gotta accept it. If not,

859
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: they gotta get out of there, because that's what broke

860
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: that team down is everybody got a voice. Everybody. I

861
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: used to hate that in the locker room, like, man,

862
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: if you ain't the superstar, to shut up, like I mean,

863
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: I want to hear your voice. I want to hear

864
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: your voice. But when it comes to like, well, why

865
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: is this guy sitting out? Don't make it a problem.

866
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Don't make it a problem, right, Why does this guy

867
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: get to do that? Well, this dude putting up thirty

868
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: five points again, thirty points eight points a game, this

869
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: dude scoring two touchdowns a game, like, let you know,

870
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: that's why it happens, that's why. Well, I think one

871
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: thing about Tyler is Tyler is an excellent communicator, you know,

872
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and and being in that locker room before and him

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: being an assistant coach and knowing that the love of

874
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Citi's biggest weakness was ourselves. You know, we had a

875
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: talented enough team to definitely win a championship and we

876
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: but it has too often and I did. That didn't

877
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: rear its head for the Clippers until later and then

878
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: after the season where people were chirped and why I

879
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't like this are so and so shouldn't have been

880
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, damn, Like that's why I thought

881
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: we was way past that as as professional athletes. But

882
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I guess I guess we weren't. One thing I also

883
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on two was you know, you're big

884
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: and and and have been speaking and outspoken on mental health.

885
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: And that was the one thing when I got a

886
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: chance to talk to PG while he was in the

887
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: bubble because he was dealing with some mental health and

888
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression and separation. How serious is this because

889
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: as black men first and foremost, and as black athletes,

890
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: it was looked down before before as almost a weakness

891
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: to talk about issues you had. Obviously we're passed that

892
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: and it's more talked about these days, But what is

893
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: your take on it? Being someone that has suffered from it?

894
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad that you went back to that because,

895
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: like you know, although I was making fun of the

896
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: whole Clipper situation and and and that whole restore, but

897
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: there was a lot of guys, you know, uh struggling

898
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: U in that bubble, and there's guys in the NFL

899
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: struggling right now. So you know, it's not a game.

900
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: It is serious. But like that's why I talked about,

901
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, marijuana is because when I was playing for

902
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, that's when I realized something was going on,

903
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: and marijuana was the thing that got me through that year.

904
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Like it is, like that was the first time I

905
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: was able to smile again. And feel again, and then

906
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, you get to the office. I got to

907
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the off season and I went to McClain Hospital and

908
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: I was there for three months in the outpatient programs

909
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: diagnosed with borderline personality sort of the best way to

910
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: describes like an emotional disorder being able to self regulate

911
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: your emotions. Right, long story short. I took dialectical behavior

912
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: therapy that's a group therapy. I took mentalization therapy. I

913
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: took self assessment, you know, one on one with Dr Gunderson.

914
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: I did a clinical evaluation, neurological evaluation, just to see

915
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: what was going on in my mind. And I was

916
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: put in this program and it changed my life. And

917
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: there's so many of us that deal with I mean,

918
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: this life is hard, you know, and you know have

919
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: If you don't have a game plan around how you're

920
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: gonna deal with stress, that stress can turn into uh

921
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: mental health challenge and mental health issue for you. It

922
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: may it may not be bipolar, it may not be borderline,

923
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: it may not be anxiety, but if you don't correct

924
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: these things, uh, then it can definitely hit you and

925
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: hit you in a major way. So you know, even now,

926
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: like now, we got people dealing with anxiety and depression

927
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: for the very first time. So I just think that,

928
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I appreciate it Paul George saying it,

929
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot of athletes dealing with anxiety,

930
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of athletes dealing with depression or understanding

931
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: being comfortable with who they are in this big space.

932
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: So you know, now you've got the Kevin Loves of

933
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: the world, you got the Dak Prescotts of the world

934
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: really using their platforms and talk about and highlight it.

935
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: We still talk about it wrong in the media. You

936
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: saw what Skip Bayliss said after Dak Prescott came out.

937
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a there's a's a long way

938
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: to go, but I love I love where where we're

939
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: at right now. And once again lad by the athletes.

940
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: So it used to be a taboo topic not to

941
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: not to press too much in your personal life. Is

942
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: this something that's ongoing or did you get it fixed

943
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: when you win? Or is this a daily still a

944
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: daily battle for you? Yeah? No, So like now, it's interesting,

945
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, because there's so many ways it can present itself.

946
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: You know, mental health can present itself in over three

947
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: different ways. But just one diagnosis. So for me, going

948
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: through that process really gave me the skills and tools

949
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I needed to self regulated. So you know, I could

950
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: be in a moment and I'm like, well, with tools,

951
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: with skills, do I have to regulate? You know what

952
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean to manage this? Do I kind of make

953
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: it better? You know? I wanted to stay the saying,

954
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: don't make it worse. So what I do now, and

955
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: I'll go back to my last years in football, So

956
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: what I did in the football season, I had a

957
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: game plan. I knew that was the most stressful time

958
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: of the year for me. So every every week I

959
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: would sit down with a mental health practitioner before practice,

960
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: I would jump in the float pod after practice, jumping

961
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: the float pod. Like I was very intentional daily in

962
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: my mental fitness in the off season. In the off season,

963
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: what I do is as needed. So I'll probably like

964
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: once a month check in um with the mental health practitioner,

965
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: or I might check in with a family member or

966
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: friends just like yo, how you doing? He checking or

967
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: he or she checking on me. And but part of

968
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: my daily routine because I feel like you need to

969
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: make deposits because something's going to happen right, Like who

970
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: who would have known? We you know, this year would

971
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: have turned out the way it is, Like where you did?

972
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: You have the deposits um that to be able to

973
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: be strong enough through this. So meditation is big for me. Um,

974
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: being able to recover get aways, turn off at night,

975
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: you know, shut my brain off is important for me.

976
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: So those are things that I do every single day

977
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm making those deposits. So when those

978
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: stressful moments come up, I'm good, I'm ready to go.

979
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: I think the key you said if anyone takes what

980
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: away the tools you need to handle the situation, because

981
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: we're not we're not equipped with them. We we we

982
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: weren't raised with them. It wasn't something that was talked about.

983
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Showing emotion in our culture was a sign of weakness,

984
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: no matter who you were. From a child to stop

985
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: sucking crying to an adult, you know what I mean.

986
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: So now that we're in a where in a space

987
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: that we can comfortably talk about it, it's the tools,

988
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: like you said that you learned from handling, doing your counseling,

989
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: that that we're allowed you to get through the process,

990
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: and not enough of us have that too. I was fortunate.

991
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I came from a you know,

992
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: functioning drug addicts, my parents for functioning drug adics, very

993
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: abusive household. So I found marijuana at fourteen and smoked

994
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: it from fourteen to this day. And that was really

995
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't know what it was. I

996
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: just knew it was an escape for me. And as

997
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: I got older, I realized, Okay, damn, I can focus,

998
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: I can sleep better. Uh, you know, a lot of

999
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: different things are coming from this. So that's why I

1000
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: was so glad when the medical research finally called up,

1001
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: because I could have said everything it made me do

1002
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: until I was blue in the face, but until there

1003
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: was medical backup, medical research saying okay, well it does

1004
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: a B and C just like these guys are saying

1005
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: it was doing it wasn't doing any good. But I

1006
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: think if I didn't have cannabis, no bullshit, who knows

1007
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: what kind of deepened I would have went off of.

1008
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: Because you know, my life off the court was very

1009
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: well document. I was in a lot of ship off

1010
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: the court. But you know, to be able to be

1011
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: on TMZ and all these blows and then have to

1012
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: play on ESPN that night, that focus is essential. You know,

1013
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: no matter what the fun is going on in your life,

1014
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: for that two hours two and a half hours, where

1015
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: it's on the football field of the basketball field, there's

1016
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: no excuses and and my outlet is always being cannabis.

1017
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: So I'm very thankful now that, like I said, the

1018
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: medical research is catching up because I know a lot

1019
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: of these athletes, like you said, whether you use it

1020
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: or not, we need some sort of tools to deal

1021
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: with this ship because people think we're invincible because we

1022
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: have money. But that's the furthest thing from the truth. Yes,

1023
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: So is that is that why you're so passionate and

1024
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: investing in this space? Yeah? Yeah, because I believe in it,

1025
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'll be the first one

1026
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: to tell you I in joy getting high, like the

1027
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: way it feels. But I'm more on the educational side,

1028
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm not a snoop, I'm not a rapper. I mean,

1029
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: it's okay to kind of glorify in that aspect, but

1030
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm coming from an aspect of a former player, a father,

1031
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: and someone who coaches my kids right now, So I'm

1032
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: coming more on the medical side and understanding trying to

1033
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: remove the word high and explain that the medical benefits

1034
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: of it in the way it makes me feel. And

1035
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're finally starting to make headway

1036
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: because whether they like it or not, whether they keep

1037
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: find us a lot a lot of professional athletes use

1038
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: it and we shouldn't be penalized for it. Draft Day

1039
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: two thousand six, what's going through your mind? Man? Two

1040
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: thousand six? Draft Day? I literally thought like, Man, I

1041
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: went to UCF and we were Mad Major back then,

1042
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: playing in the Mad Conference. Just which to conference, you

1043
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: would say. And in my mind, if I you know,

1044
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: I felt like if I ran well as a big

1045
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: white receiver, I could have snuck into the first day.

1046
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: So the first the back then, you know, they did

1047
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: the first three rounds day one. So I was sitting

1048
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: there stressed out, uh you know, in the third round,

1049
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: thinking that I had an opportunity to go and it

1050
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: didn't happen, And it was the longest night in my life,

1051
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was super stressed out. And then the

1052
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: next day I end up getting drafted to the Denver Broncos.

1053
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: And what's interesting behind that they actually drafted me as

1054
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: a tight end. So coach Shanahan when he called me

1055
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, you know, we don't know if you

1056
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: can play wide receiver. Just be ready to play h

1057
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: back when you come in. And at that point, I

1058
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: was like, man, just give me an opportunity. I'll show

1059
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: you what I can do. So you hit the ground running. Um,

1060
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: you know from two thousand seven to two thousand nine,

1061
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: three consecutive hundred season catches. What was it like after

1062
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: what you explained to us, they weren't sure you could

1063
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver. To come out and experience so

1064
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: much success early on in your career, yeah, I mean,

1065
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, that first year was about

1066
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: about having fun and and then just enjoying being in

1067
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: the league. And the second year, Javon Walker, we we

1068
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: just paid Javon Walker a lot of money to be

1069
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: our number one receiver. He went down with a knee injury.

1070
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: So when he went down, I just stepped up and

1071
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: Jay was just throwing me the ball. Like Jay was like,

1072
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm dropping back and throwing the brand and it just

1073
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: took it just took off. So Um, that actually set

1074
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the bar for me. Like I, I didn't really have

1075
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: any expectations when I got in the league. I knew

1076
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to be great. But when I that first

1077
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: hundred catches, I was like, well, I guess I'll do

1078
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: this every year, so that that became my goal. My

1079
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: goal was like, I want to that's the that's the

1080
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: that's the bar right there. M hm. Who are some

1081
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: of the receivers you studied on? You studied uh in

1082
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the process of becoming a pro, leading up to the

1083
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: pro and even after you got into the NFL. Yeah,

1084
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: So I looked at everybody. Every year, I would take

1085
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the top ten wide receivers and I would break down

1086
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: all their film every year, and then also throughout the year,

1087
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: I would keep up with their film because I don't

1088
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: know if you'll have this in the NBA, but I

1089
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: can see every single play, every single snap from every angle,

1090
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams. So I would take that and

1091
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: I would have our video guy just built out my films.

1092
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll be on the plane, I'll be watching our games

1093
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: and studying myself, studying our opponent, and then also studying

1094
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: everybody else. So back then, it was Chad Ocho, Sinko,

1095
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: it was t O, it was Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Um,

1096
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: you know who else was who else was bawling back

1097
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: the Randy Moss, Steve Smiff, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. Um,

1098
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: you know I was studying those cats I got. You

1099
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: know that was that way before me. Ankor On Bolden

1100
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: was one that I was studying. Well, Mega Tron came

1101
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: after me when you know, Um, but eventually he became

1102
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: that part of that top ten when he came in

1103
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: a couple of years later on. You know, that's when

1104
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: I start really studying my body type. I was about

1105
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: to say, you guys are similar, right, you guys are

1106
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: similar in body right. Bro, He's like you bro, like

1107
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: like I got a picture? Yeah, man, Like you know

1108
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: Megatron is like your side. It's crazy what and he moved?

1109
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: So think about I don't know as you were when

1110
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: you was playing back then, you know, but I ran,

1111
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: I ran, yeah, yeah, I ran a four three nine. Wow. Yeah.

1112
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this documentary. And you touched on

1113
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: something that I don't think everyone understands and you may

1114
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: not get to understand it if and when you get

1115
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: to the league. But how important is film study not

1116
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 1: only of yourself but your opponent in your environment, Because

1117
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: I think that's something that people don't get and I

1118
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't get maybe my first handful of years into the league,

1119
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: and I you know myself and Jack. You know, Jack

1120
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: was a little bit more more offensively minded than me,

1121
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: but we always had to guard the best players. And

1122
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: film was so crucial to me. So how important this

1123
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: film for an athlete is everything to set you up

1124
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: for success. And I think that's the hardest thing to do,

1125
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: is actually learn how to watch film, how a breakdown opponents.

1126
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: That's that was the hardest thing for me. I give

1127
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: you you know a cool story two thousand and sixteen,

1128
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: and I believe it was when I was playing for

1129
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: the Jets battling against the Patriots. We go up the

1130
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: fox ver the first the first game, and this is

1131
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: probably my best year. I'm I'm on payt halfred yards,

1132
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns, another all pro year, Pro Bowl year, and

1133
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, I go against I look at the roster,

1134
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's this Logan Ryan Cat And then they

1135
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: got another dB on the other side. I'm like, oh,

1136
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm manna, I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have the day.

1137
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick always finds a way to take out

1138
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: their top wide receivers, their top threats, like that number

1139
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: one number two. You hear about it every single week. Oh,

1140
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: this is what Bill Belichick's wanna do. So I step

1141
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: in and I'm like, oh, you know, this is gonna

1142
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: be easy for me. They're playing me man to man.

1143
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I was strapped, I mean strapped, Bro.

1144
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't get off the line of scrimmage and this

1145
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: is a dude. I'm like, I don't even know this

1146
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: dude's name at the time, like this Loogan Ryan catch

1147
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: and so the first quarter I couldn't get off. I'm struggling,

1148
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this dude's embarrassing me. And then

1149
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: one time I come out and and I'm on the

1150
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: right side and I so happened to put up my

1151
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: right foot right. So if you're on the right side

1152
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, nine times I'll tend you as you know,

1153
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: let left side up. I put my right side out

1154
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: just I don't know what I was thinking. And then

1155
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: he's looking at my fild and then he turned around

1156
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: and looked at mcquardy. They did some little some little

1157
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: hand gestures, bro, and I was like, holy crap, like

1158
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: it is this a you know, is this a Tennessee

1159
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: is something that they studied, and they study everything in

1160
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: New England. Right, So anyways, I started playing with my

1161
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: feet and then depending on what foot was up and

1162
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: what my split was determined how they played me. And

1163
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: that's why I couldn't damn because I was giving a tendency.

1164
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: Right fast forward, we played New England twice. We come

1165
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: back around and I'm I'm breaking down film for like

1166
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: a week. I'm watching them like, man, what is my tendency? Like?

1167
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: What are they seeing? And how can I use this?

1168
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: So literally, I it it out. I remember running out

1169
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: that it was like six in the morning. Seven in

1170
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: the morning. I ran out of my room and me

1171
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: and Fitzpatrick was the only ones in the facility around

1172
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: that time, and the coaches, right, I ran in the

1173
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: quarterback rooms like yo, I figured it out. Here's the

1174
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: game plan. All you gotta do is watch the guy

1175
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: over me and it's gonna dictate what they played. I

1176
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: ran in the coach Bowls office, who's now the defensive

1177
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: coordinator in Tampa. I was like, coach, man, look at this,

1178
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: here's the Tennessee. This how they stopped us week one

1179
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: the first time we played, and this is what we

1180
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: need to do. And so literally The game plan going

1181
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: in was all right, let me look at Brandon. If

1182
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: the dude is three yards off of Brandon, they're gonna

1183
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: go three bail, right, And basically that is, you know,

1184
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: this corner has this third, the safety as this third.

1185
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: This corner has that third. And when I say, we

1186
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: lit it up, bro, we lit it up like we

1187
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: knew everything they was doing based off of how they

1188
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: played me if he was three yards off, remember he

1189
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: was on if he was inside of his outside and

1190
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: so man, they like I went for a hundred something yards,

1191
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: Eric Decker went for some hundred something yards. So I

1192
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: say all that to say, film study is critical and

1193
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: something as as critical as that, like you we give

1194
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: tendencies and then also like when you know what you're doing,

1195
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: you can really dominate the game just off of your film.

1196
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: M hm. That footwork, that that foot with that line,

1197
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: that line footwork and getting off the line is crucial

1198
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: for people who have never played or understood the meaning

1199
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: of that bide receiver position. That's just important. Um, December

1200
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, you said an NFL record, but one

1201
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: catch us. What do you remember that day? That's a

1202
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of cash you was online? Yeah, so you had that,

1203
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: you had that Bruce Leroy glow. You had the Bruce

1204
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Leroy glow that day. So I used to try to, like,

1205
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: um put together a mindset going into a week. And

1206
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: remember two thousand and I don't even know what album

1207
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: hold just dropped, but jay Z just dropped the album.

1208
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: And in my head, I was like back then, I

1209
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm gonna embrace my inner jay Z.

1210
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know what I loved about jay Z back

1211
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: then was like how he moved. It was like effortlessly right,

1212
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: like it was like I'm supposed to do this. So

1213
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: I went, you know, I was rocking, you know I was.

1214
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: I was jamming to his his album. I don't remember

1215
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: which one that was. And uh, I walked out and

1216
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: then Um Smith, one of the ESPN reporters, were standing

1217
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: right there, and I was like, yo, bro, this is

1218
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna be the best game I've ever played. And I said,

1219
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: just remember I said this. So then we fast forward

1220
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: getting into the game. We get into the game, and

1221
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was just catching the ball. I was

1222
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: just balled like I was, like I said, I was,

1223
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 1: I was embracing my enner jay Z. I would catch

1224
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: the ball, would get up to flip the ball to

1225
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: the ref, had my head down. Somebody trying to talk

1226
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: to me. I don't hear you, and uh, I think

1227
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: I was around like eighteen catches. I remember Kenny McKinley

1228
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: came sat next to me on the bench. He's like, bro,

1229
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: he looked at me where I'm like, Bro, what are

1230
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: you staring at me like this? He said, Bro, you

1231
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: got eighteen catches. I said what he said? You got

1232
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: eighteen catches? Bro, You're about to break the NFL record.

1233
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I said, boy, whyite? You didin't been telling me this?

1234
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: So I was in the zone, man like I called it,

1235
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: which is crazy. And then I just remember being in

1236
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: that like that zone. We always talked about that as

1237
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: an act like man like. I don't even remember what happened.

1238
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: I was so locked in too, just bawling that. Um,

1239
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't even know I had those many catches.

1240
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: That's dope. And that zone for real. You're traded from

1241
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: the Broncos to the Dolphins in two thousand and ten.

1242
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Earlier in the interview, you said that you and j

1243
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Cutler just had looks because that's what kind of chemistry

1244
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: you had. So you went with Chad Henny for two

1245
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, Matt Moore for two thousand eleven. You

1246
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards both seasons. How tough was it

1247
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: developing chemistry after having such great chemistry over in Denver

1248
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: with color. Yeah, that was the hardest thing, man. And

1249
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I I used that story to talk

1250
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: about Odell in his situation in Cleveland this past two years.

1251
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: But for me, you know, like I made my money

1252
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: just beating man and man coverage, and that was our

1253
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: all fense in Denver. It was, you know, Jay and

1254
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: I just tooking into coaches just said all right, we're

1255
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: gonna develop our offense this way. Like one day we

1256
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: went out there and it was you know, I was

1257
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: single backside, one on one. We didn't like it. Jay

1258
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: looked at me, He gave me a go route. We connected,

1259
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: and then we came back. They did something else. He

1260
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: gave me a slant. We connected, came back. They gave

1261
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: me a look. I said, Jay, let's running out. We

1262
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: ran out. We connected. Come fast forward to that Monday

1263
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: morning meeting. Jeremy Bates was like, I don't know what

1264
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: the hell you guys are doing, but I like it.

1265
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: So what we would put plays and we would say

1266
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: front side, you gotta play Jay and Brandon, y'all figure

1267
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: it out. Y'all get out there. We would literally call

1268
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, trips right, Z zing bingo? What were you

1269
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: the Z or the X hands? It I was ex

1270
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: I was backside, so they would say X hand signal,

1271
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 1: that was the that was the place. So we would

1272
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: go off right. So now you fast forward to going

1273
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: in the henty and that was really frustrating for me

1274
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: because I'll be one on one and he wouldn't even

1275
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: look my way and throw me the ball. He would

1276
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: be going through his progression. I'm like, this is why

1277
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: you got the money, paid me the money I came

1278
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: here because of that. Yeah, So that was that was frustrating. Man.

1279
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: How long did it take for you? Did you guys

1280
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: developed that at all? Or no? Henny, Matt Moore, Tyler Thick, Penn,

1281
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: who who I'm gonna sounding like on a minute. So

1282
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: I love playing with the way Matt Moore actually would

1283
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: throw it to me like he was like, yeo, I'm

1284
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: just gonna drop back if you want to want um

1285
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: throwing to you. So that was cool. He was little

1286
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: limited at quarterback, but I love playing with him. Um,

1287
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: but no, we never developed that. And it wasn't until like,

1288
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, my second my second year in in Miami.

1289
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 1: I remember watching Sunday night football and seeing Jay Cut

1290
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: just being smashed and he was probably getting hit every

1291
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: time he dropped by back, and I just hit him out, like, bro, man,

1292
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: you all right? Man, I just watching this man, keep

1293
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: your head up. And yeah, we just started talking. It's like, hey,

1294
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: why don't we come to Chicago. I was like, man,

1295
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: I ain't asking for no trade. Bro, I'm just gonna

1296
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: pray on it and see what happened after the season,

1297
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: But I would love to come ball with you that offseason. Man.

1298
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: They called me and then and they were like, hey,

1299
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, Chicago wing the trade for you. Jay stood

1300
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: on the table just like Tom Brady stood on the

1301
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: table for a b and and they brought me and

1302
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: JA was like, I need to X go right. You know.

1303
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: I went right to Chicago and we picked right up

1304
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: where I left off when we left off. I mean,

1305
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: you came in with the monster. You're a d eighteen receptions,

1306
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards and eleven touchdowns and not your sixth

1307
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: one thousand yards seasons. I mean how did that feel?

1308
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: It felt good because, like I was, that was the

1309
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: first time I listened to the media. Was my last

1310
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: year when I was playing for the Dolphins. You know,

1311
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: I went from back to back to back, hundred yards,

1312
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: hundred kept seasons, Pro Bowls, back to back, and you know,

1313
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: that was the first time, like the newspaper clipp and

1314
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: I was reading it, and I was struggling, and I

1315
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: didn't have amazing numbers like a D catches hair a

1316
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: D catches there, three touchdowns, four touches, whatever it was.

1317
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: So what I ended up doing is I took all

1318
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: the clips of all my drop balls and I would

1319
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: go home after practice and I would literally catch twenty

1320
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: of those like in that same position. So like I

1321
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: we played in San Diego and I was running down

1322
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: the left side of the field. It was like I

1323
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: would have been like the seventy seven yard touchdown, but

1324
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: I lost the ball in the lights, and I was

1325
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: like damn. So I went home. I put the lights

1326
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: on on my basketball court and I had my trainer

1327
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: throw it up in the lights and I would track

1328
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: the ball coming out of the lights. And so what

1329
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: I did is I took all those catches and I

1330
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: just kept working on and working on, work on it

1331
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: fast forward. It didn't happen that next year. I mean,

1332
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: it didn't happen that year, didn't turn it around because

1333
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to ball finish off the season strong.

1334
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: Then that next years when I had that hundred eighteen catches, man,

1335
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: and you know I ain't it felt like I ain't

1336
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: dropped anything. So I just that's what I remember from

1337
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: that season was how I put that work in the

1338
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: year before and how it ended up panning out. You know,

1339
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago that sounds like some code ship they said

1340
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: code mr up. Was it a free throw or a jumper?

1341
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's urban legend, but they said

1342
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: he worked one summer with just a bunch of lights

1343
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: right in his face, just so a camera flash would

1344
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: never funk with him. Again, Well, it's it's it's interesting

1345
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: I would I mean, you know, you learn a lot

1346
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: as an athlete, you know when you and when you're

1347
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: in those moments and and from that play, Like what

1348
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,479
Speaker 1: I would start doing is actually before the game start,

1349
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: I would walk the entire stadium. That's find any blind spots,

1350
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know if you ever had

1351
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: a moment where you're like, man like I I got.

1352
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: If I knew this was happening, I could have prepared

1353
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: changed your preparation for me. It was like before the game,

1354
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: I would walk to the stadium and look at everything,

1355
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: every inch of the grass, if there was any debits,

1356
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: any blind spots. You were paired with Matt Forte that year,

1357
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: very solid offense. You guys ended up going ten and six,

1358
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: but not making the playoffs. How disappointing was that because,

1359
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: like you said, you came out with the monster year.

1360
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: You're reunited, but probably one of your favorite quarterbacks you

1361
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: played with you in your career, Matt Forte, was in

1362
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: his bag, and you guys still fell short with a

1363
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: ten and six record. That's I mean most of the

1364
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: time ten and six nine percent the time, that's a

1365
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: playoff record. So you know, you guys know how it is.

1366
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: Man Like you put so much work into it. And

1367
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier, like that mindset of a

1368
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: right now shift from you know, getting that contract to

1369
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: now winning the Super Bowl, and everything I did was

1370
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: for that moment, So like, I was so locked in

1371
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: every every waking moment, and for us to lose it

1372
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: was it was. It was devastating. I remember we win,

1373
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: we in with a Minnesota Viking loss. So as we

1374
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: lad we played Detroit, we beat Detroit. We we handle

1375
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: our business. We fly back to Chicago and we're on

1376
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: a bus heading to UH Lake four's tool to headquarters

1377
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: and we're watching the game as we're going and we

1378
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: just need Minnesota, I believe to win. I believe it

1379
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: was for Minnesota to win. And they lost or no

1380
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: yet and they lost, and all of us, just like

1381
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, le Levy Smith was fired after that year.

1382
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: They let go of a cute a few key players,

1383
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: Brian or a Lacker, and nothing was the same sense

1384
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Did it ever? Where on you? Obviously you

1385
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: said it's something you still think about, but it did

1386
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: where on your you off the field, your attitude towards

1387
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: your family or your friends, or your mental approach to

1388
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: the lack of being able to get to the playoffs

1389
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: and your job. Where in your personal life now? I

1390
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: think my uh, just my dedication weird on my family. Um,

1391
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: and that was part of you know, where I had

1392
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: to find ones, you know, as part of that whole

1393
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: mental health journey to man my my second anniversary, I

1394
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: went to Whole Foods, brought my steak norhamonal norh hormonal steak,

1395
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: all my season my pots and my pan because you

1396
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: know the bad you know they talk about different type

1397
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: of uh you know things and pans. Like it was.

1398
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: I was just on this health kick. So i go

1399
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: down to Prime one twelve at four o'clock or four

1400
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: o'clock that day and I'm like, look, I'm coming from

1401
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: my anniversary, but here's my food. This is how I

1402
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: want you to prepare it. Like bro, I was so

1403
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: I was that wow on my preparation, how I took

1404
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: care of my body. That it just I didn't have

1405
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: a life outside of the ball. That's all I wanted

1406
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: to do was just be great. You know what I'm

1407
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: saying to the point, and I always used as an

1408
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: example because I'm like, damn, looking back on it, that

1409
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: was crazy. Like one day in the off season. One

1410
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: day in the off season, I can't just go to

1411
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: Prime one twelve and say, you know, cook me, give

1412
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: me your inflated me on like I went to Old Foods,

1413
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,879
Speaker 1: made sure it was norm hormonal, gave him my seasoning

1414
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: my pants right. My wife looking at me like, yo,

1415
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: you're crazy man, You how did the inside the NFL

1416
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to present itself? Oh man, Bill, you see. So

1417
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 1: just studying, like I said, spent three months with Ania

1418
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: l Verse the Harvard class and just studying like how

1419
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: guys transmission and u let magic, Johnson lived Strong stood

1420
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: out to me. Boomer size and Dugs Low like a

1421
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: couple of guys stood out to me. It did well

1422
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: with their platform. And so after we got out of

1423
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: that case study, I put a game plan together. It's

1424
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: like two thousand and fourteen. I said, Okay, let me

1425
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: do it now, so I can actually make that transition

1426
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: uh seamlessly. So I said, every year I'm going tour,

1427
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do I'm going out the Bristol, get

1428
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: on ESPN, I'm going out to l A through some

1429
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: of the lifestyle stuff. But I want to meet the executives.

1430
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: I want to meet the producers. I want to get

1431
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: the reps. So when I'm ready to move on, it's

1432
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: already set up. So the first time I went on tour,

1433
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: I called it going on tour. C A A hit

1434
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: me up, wm me, hit me up. All these ages

1435
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: hit me up. I didn't even know you needed a

1436
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: broadcasting agent. I thought my football agent was going, you know,

1437
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: my TV deal. So all these ages hit me up

1438
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: in Josh Pott for W and Me. He's like, look,

1439
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: I love what I just saw. Let's work. So literally,

1440
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, a week later, he's like, there might be

1441
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to go on showtime inside the NFL.

1442
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: Be the first active athlete doing full time broadcasting. So

1443
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: that's how that came about, and that's one of the

1444
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: reasons why the Chicago Bears shipped me out of there.

1445
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: It's like, we don't want that. Yeah, I was gonna

1446
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: get that. So that they had an issue with you

1447
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: doing stuff in the off season. I'm sleep, not the

1448
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: off season. In season, what I was doing was so

1449
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL every Tuesday, it's pretty much

1450
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: universal that guys are off. So everybody's off. That's your off.

1451
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: They do whatever you want, take care of your body,

1452
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: but just chill um. So we shoot inside the NFL

1453
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Ah in New York, that's right. So I

1454
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: would wake up. I would wake up at like four

1455
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: in the morning. The PJ would leave five thirty in

1456
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: the morning. I'll leave from actually like Indiana, it was

1457
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: forty five minutes away. From the city of Chicago, take off,

1458
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: landing Teterboro. From Teterborough, we would be on you know,

1459
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: we will shoot to the city. I'll be on set

1460
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: around ten thirty. We would start shooting from twelve at twelve,

1461
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: at twelve to two thirty, we're shooting at four o'clock.

1462
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm back at Teterborough. I'm landing in Chicago at five o'clock. Right.

1463
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: So that was my days on on on Tuesdays. And

1464
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: they didn't like that. He thought it was a distraction,

1465
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just went for yards, Like why

1466
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: is it a distraction? You know? So the new the

1467
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: new regime, when they came in, they were like, look,

1468
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: it's either you stopped doing this or or or else.

1469
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, I'm gonna keep

1470
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: moving forward because then they got back to what we

1471
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: talked about early, like just being institutionalized. I'm like, I

1472
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: got once in a lifetime opportunity to do something built,

1473
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: something bigger than the game of football. I said, I'm

1474
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: still bawling. I said, what's more of a distraction me

1475
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: talking shop on Tuesdays on showtime about football or me

1476
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: going to the club every night, coming in drunk. It

1477
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: was more of a distraction to the team. It's that

1478
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: bullshit business side of everything. How dope was it though,

1479
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: to be able to actively be playing in the NFL

1480
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: to doing your thing but still being able to talk

1481
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: about the rest of the league on Tuesdays. It was challenging.

1482
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: Bro I absolutely hated it because you know, it was

1483
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: uh like an art to it where I couldn't like hell, hell,

1484
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't even want I wasn't even

1485
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: watching all the games, so I couldn't even really I

1486
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: had to finesse it because I didn't really know what

1487
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: was going on. I knew my matchups, I knew, you know,

1488
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: what teams I was playing against. So it was challenging

1489
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: because you know, we never want to, you know, give

1490
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: bulletin board material. So it was a way of trying

1491
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: to entertain without saying something crazy like now I get

1492
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: on there, you know, like yesterday on on first things First,

1493
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the worst year Bill Belichick ever had.

1494
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he's the goat, but he's terrible. He's

1495
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: having a terrible year, right, Like, I would never say

1496
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: that when I'm playing, because there's going to be a

1497
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: distraction to absolutely you know, you couldn't speak Yeah, Like

1498
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't go up there and say, Baker Mayfield is

1499
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: a bus I do it now, right, But like I

1500
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: tried to do it where you know, I was still entertaining,

1501
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: but I wasn't creating major headlines that could be a

1502
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: distraction to the team. Right. So you end up um

1503
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: with the Jets in two thousand and fifteen have another

1504
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: monster season. Hundred nine receptions, fifteen hunere yards again fourteen

1505
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 1: touchdowns led the NFL. What was it like, first and

1506
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: Foremus going to the Jets, but then playing in the

1507
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: biggest media market in the world. You know, I was

1508
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: the whole plan, man, Like I just I felt like

1509
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: being there, I would I could extend, you know, my

1510
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: time on showtime and then obviously get an opportunity to win.

1511
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: Like I felt like we were a quarterback away there.

1512
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought Geno Smith could develop. I

1513
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: didn't think he would get it year one, but I

1514
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: thought our our second year together with Todd Bowls that

1515
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: it could happen. To me. It was the you know,

1516
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: I was getting the best of both worlds. Off the field,

1517
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: I was exactly where I wanted to be on and field,

1518
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: I felt like we had an opportunity to compete. We

1519
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: went back and got the real reevers, Antonio Comarty. The

1520
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: deepense was was was you know, on paper, was supposed

1521
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: to be really good. They were really good that first year,

1522
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: and offensively I thought I was the difference maker. I thought,

1523
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, if they used me correct act league, that

1524
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: we would be good enough to to to win ball

1525
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: games and make some noise. Mm hmmmm. Who was the

1526
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: one quarterback during your career you wish you got a

1527
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: chance to play with? Oh, I played with him, but

1528
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: it was too late. Russell Wilson bro Yeah, because that's

1529
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 1: my that's my style. It's like, just give me a chance,

1530
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: like Russell one on one, I'm coming to you and

1531
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: it's and I also like that set up in Seattle

1532
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: where they're going to run the ball, which gives me

1533
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: favorable matchups outside one on one. But Russell Wilson, I

1534
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: just loved how he played. He extended plays where you

1535
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: know the players never did. He's gonna get out of

1536
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: the pocket, keep running, keep going, try to find a

1537
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: way to get open. I'm throwing the ball. So he

1538
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: was that guy. But if you know another guy, you

1539
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,480
Speaker 1: know I would enjoyed playing with with being like Aaron Rodgers,

1540
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Tom Brady to go. But I love

1541
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: those guys because it's still a little bit of backyard football,

1542
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: like one on one, you know, like you know, and

1543
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: then also look out there running slam go out, you know,

1544
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: off scripted plays, favorite dB to match up against or

1545
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: who you loved talking ship to. So champ Bailey, I

1546
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: practiced against him, and then you know, he was on

1547
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: my team in Denver, and then we played against each

1548
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: other when I went to Miami. Cham Bailey was a dog.

1549
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: He was. He was my hardest matchup. He was one

1550
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I developed. And then also um

1551
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: Drell Reeve was hand down probably the hardest matchup. Like

1552
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: this dude had a stretch where nobody went over a

1553
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 1: hundred yards. We're talking about Randy Moss, Reggie, Wayne Andre Johnson,

1554
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: Chad Ocho, Sinko, you name it, the Larry Fitzgerald Megatron.

1555
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: Nobody could get off on this dude. So revous Island bro.

1556
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, he was alright, right, Randy Random, I

1557
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: was dead burned his ass and catching one hand and

1558
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: that was one. That was one. And then after that

1559
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: played and then after that played, he pulled his hand.

1560
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: He was out. He was a handstring. I just think

1561
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: pe was hurt. On a serious note, March two thousand

1562
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: and eighteen, you partnered up with Logic, UH, Glenn Close

1563
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: and his wife to start a group called can You Relate?

1564
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us what that was about? Typically,

1565
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: we have our first break from the aide at the

1566
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: age range of eighteen and twenty two, eighteen and twenty two,

1567
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: where we're at on college, we're in college, so you know,

1568
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: what we focused a lot on during that time was

1569
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: how do we bridge the gap between our college students

1570
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: and mental health and then understanding what services they had.

1571
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: So what we did is we actually put together an

1572
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: entire week where we brought out Logic and some other

1573
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,480
Speaker 1: folks to really highlight mental health and have that discussion.

1574
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't understand. It's like, man,

1575
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: I've been good all my life and now I'm having

1576
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: this first like what is this I'm feeling? Well, that's anxiety,

1577
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: and they don't even know what it is. They feel

1578
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: like they died, they're dying, they feel like they're having

1579
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: a heart attack, but the reality is anxiety, depression, you know,

1580
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: the sense of you know, m I work that. You know,

1581
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: you come from a place where you're you're the best

1582
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: person in your class, the best person in your sport,

1583
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: and now you in a pool full of people that's talented.

1584
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: So there's a lot that happens on the college campus,

1585
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: and I just think it's important for us to give

1586
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: our college students resources that they need to deal with

1587
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: these mental health challenges. That's all right, we're quick hitters.

1588
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: Now this is the end of the show. So I'll

1589
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: take the first one. Who are your top five artists?

1590
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,480
Speaker 1: Top five artists? I gotta go with jay Z number one. Um,

1591
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: I love Biggie, I love Rick Ross and we're talking

1592
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: about rap, right yeah, all right, so so jay Z,

1593
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna go with Biggie. We're gonna go with Rick Ross.

1594
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with you know, oh man five five

1595
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: you need five Jack Jack Jack through Michael McDonald in

1596
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: there last week. So feel free to stray outside of rapp.

1597
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me go some new school. Let me

1598
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: go some new school right now. So new school. You know,

1599
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: I like listening to I like listening to the Baby

1600
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: hel and uh, you know, I'm gonna go back to

1601
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: Park to Like, man, this is a leg I still

1602
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: listen to Park all the time. Like Park is one

1603
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: of those dudes where you know you can lift weights

1604
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: to it and also you can sit back and vibe

1605
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: to it. So I love listening to Park so many

1606
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: different ways and fight to them. And that motherfucker had

1607
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: a song for every emotion, every human emotion that was

1608
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: that was given to us. Yeah, Pop man speaking the

1609
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: pot and you're working out, give me three songs on

1610
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: your training playlist, So three songs on my training latest

1611
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: right now? Um, I'm listening to this just sounds crazy,

1612
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 1: But Fetty Walk got a joint from two thousand and

1613
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: seventeen that I just found me, I just found So

1614
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: Fetty Walk got a joint called a that I'm listening

1615
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: to heavy right now. Yeah, um, T I gotta what

1616
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: is it? T I just came out with something. His

1617
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: last project was nice. Yeah that that shocked me. And man,

1618
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: what else am I listening to? So those are the

1619
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,480
Speaker 1: top Those are two that on rotation and then the also, um,

1620
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: what's the kid out in Detroit? Big Big Sean. Big

1621
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: Sean got a few projects out right now, a few

1622
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: joints out Big Sean. Yeah, Big Sean album is high.

1623
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm still pop smoke. Hey, I didn't with all due respect,

1624
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: rest in peace, I didn't really know too much because

1625
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: I didn't. I haven't really give there's a handful of

1626
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: these young boys I listened to. But that pop Smoke album,

1627
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: you gotta give your hat to him. And and fifty

1628
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: did a great job producing that ship. That was a

1629
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: hell of album. Shout out fifty cent man for sure.

1630
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: And I know, and you know, like I didn't even

1631
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: know nothing about Nipsey for real, So that that that

1632
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: hustle that I still listened to that as well, Um,

1633
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: motivate call hustle, Yeah, hustle and motivate that joint go hard.

1634
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: That's always like a snowboard too. So like I listened

1635
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: to a lot of Nipsey when I snowboard? Is that right? Well?

1636
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: What got you in the snowboard? I would have never

1637
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: expected that you gotta go? You might be too tall, y'all,

1638
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: how snowboard? Now as snowboards a lot, how bigger the

1639
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: ball of us? And he snowboard? I remember sunny Bunno

1640
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: y'all can have that snowboard. And I just want to

1641
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: know what got you into it. Yeah, I don't know. Man.

1642
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: Like I was out there playing in Denver and we

1643
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: used to always used That's where I went and got

1644
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,520
Speaker 1: my my surgery. I had three hip surgeries in bell Colorado,

1645
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: and everybody with ski and I never got it. So

1646
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: when when one trip my wife is like, you know,

1647
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: I want to go ski and I want to try

1648
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I'll be down at

1649
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: the bottom of the mount Then the next trip she

1650
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 1: finally got me to just, you know, take a class,

1651
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with it. Bro. I was

1652
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: just like, get the instructor. I'm gonna follow my way

1653
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: down the whole slope figuring out. And we've been snowboarding

1654
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: like my my my kids starts snowboarding at three. They

1655
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: five now three year olds, going down the mountains, going

1656
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: down greens and blues. I don't snowboard. I don't have

1657
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 1: snowboard on ice skate because black people have been skating

1658
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:32,839
Speaker 1: out the ice the whole life. So I'm still still fed.

1659
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: Um back to the questions, who is your your wide

1660
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: receivers of Mount Rushmore, I'm gonna go with uh, man, No,

1661
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do that. I'm gonna get the O

1662
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: g s out the way Jerry Rice. Um, well, then

1663
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: there's a couple of them Jerry Rice, t O M

1664
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, you know I and then like some new

1665
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: school dudes, Julio Jones. I think he's gonna go down

1666
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: as one of the greatest. Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. But

1667
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: if I had to just give the top five Jerry Rice,

1668
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: Randy Mass, Terrell Owens, Julio Jones, Mega Tron Nice Nice, Okay,

1669
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: five five dinner guests Alive or the seas just your

1670
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: five dinner guess you want to have Denner with a

1671
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: love of the season. Plus Obama. I want to sit

1672
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: down with Obama. He's all he's on, He's on everybody list.

1673
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: This one's gonna trip you out. But I want to

1674
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: sit down with Trump. Wow, I want that? Yeah, bro,

1675
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: Like you don't think that'd be an interesting conversation, Like absolutely, absolutely,

1676
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: he's interesting. Um I met Hols before, but like he's

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Speaker 1: up there. Like I respect how he moved out. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know, there ain't too many people that really, you know,

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Speaker 1: excite me outside of what they do. I just love

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Speaker 1: how he's he's he's paving away. Um, so we got

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Speaker 1: hold there. Number four, I would say, you know, I

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01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: don't even know who would be for Martin Luther King.

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Speaker 1: I would love to sit down with Martin Luther King.

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Speaker 1: And the last person I would say is you know, man,

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Speaker 1: let's throw it. Uh. I don't know who you got jack?

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Speaker 1: Who you got? Give me one jack? Uh, I'd just

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Speaker 1: give you what I'll give you. Uh, probably a mega

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Speaker 1: evers nice okay, cool, a nice little dinner. All right.

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Speaker 1: So last question, and we always have to pre prep

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Speaker 1: you if you the way you answer this last question,

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Speaker 1: if you have access to him, we need your help

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Speaker 1: getting them. Who's one guest you'd want to see on

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01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: all the smoke? Oh all the smoke? Drum roll? Please

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01:24:54,040 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: bring who would be Dope jay Z? Yeah? We that's

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01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: what you need. He right there. It's just he's out here.

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Speaker 1: It's just harder. Yeah, that's a rich motherfucker's just hard

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Speaker 1: to get to him. He's out here though. Hold no hope.

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Speaker 1: I think I think hoping me here that clip Hold

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Speaker 1: would definitely come in because you know, like yeah for real,

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01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: like he like what y'all doing. You gotta respect the

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01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: movement like you gotta y'all had y'all had Kobe d Wade.

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean you got Biden, you got some like y'all.

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: I mean y'all. Right there, we need hope, Hold, we

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01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: need you, we need you all. We need you. Heard conversation.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you to will be your

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01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: first question? You get hold, what's the first question. I'm

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for the biggest segment. What's gonna be for?

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01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: We need we need Puma contracts, we need a Puma sponsor. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My first question would probably be knowing where you came from,

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Speaker 1: did you ever see yourself being becoming a billionaire? Oh? Wow?

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Speaker 1: I mean he came from the streets slaying crack and

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Speaker 1: he's a fifty year old billionaire. Now he's named another

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Speaker 1: one that it's not dead or in prison, right man.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know. I think he would

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Speaker 1: say no. I think he would say yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 1: thought I would be super successful, but billion there I

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Speaker 1: would I would who who? Who rooms up from the

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01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: hood saying I'm gonna be a billy? Well now the

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Speaker 1: kids now, kids now when I say that, but not

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Speaker 1: back then his answer. I would like to hear your answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh man, thank you, Brandon. We appreciate it. We apologize

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01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: that we had to cancel on you last week, but

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Speaker 1: we had to get some things done. But man, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time. Best to luck with everything you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Me and Jack array to come on your show whenever

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01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: you need us to let us know. Bro. Oh bet,

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01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 1: Bet appreciate it. I appreciate it. Bro, that's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Another episode of All the Smoke with our guests Brandon Marshall.

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Speaker 1: You can catch this on Showtime Basketball YouTube, or the

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Speaker 1: I Heart platform Black Effects. See y'all next time. This

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Speaker 1: is All a Smoke, a production of The Black Effect

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