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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and now he arm Strong and.

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Speaker 3: Jetty Lifelong friends of the man police say carried out

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Speaker 3: the deadly attack on a Mormon church in Michigan say

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Speaker 3: he dated a Mormon woman and descended into heavy methamphetamine

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Speaker 3: youse while living in Utah. Peter and Francis Tercini say

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Speaker 3: after alleged gunman Thomas Jacob Sandford's relationship ended with the

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Speaker 3: woman and he returned to Michigan he had changed. Peter

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Speaker 3: Tercini says Sandford went on rants about Mormon's Francis Tercini

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Speaker 3: writing in a Facebook post that man that came back

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Speaker 3: from Utah wasn't the same.

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Speaker 2: He was a puppet and the puppeteer was Satan. So

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Speaker 2: he gets dumped by a woman who's Mormon, which makes

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Speaker 2: him angry, and he's a heavy matthewser, what are you

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Speaker 2: supposed to take from that in terms of some sort

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Speaker 2: of societal meaning anything.

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Speaker 1: Angry guy committing suicide and taking people with him, right horrible.

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Speaker 2: I'd say a couple of different things. Want to get

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Speaker 2: to here. First of all, there's a new book out

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Speaker 2: about Senator Bob Menendez. If you remember him, he was

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Speaker 2: a prominent senator. I mean he was a chair of

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Speaker 2: some of your big committees and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Gold bar Menindez. You remember when he got busted with

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Speaker 2: him and his wife. They were taking gold bars from Egypt,

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Speaker 2: among other things. He'd been a crook forever and gotten

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Speaker 2: away with it, got in trouble a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: he got away, but finally gold bars with direct connections

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Speaker 2: to Egypt were just too much.

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Speaker 1: But his wife, Mercedes Boobooman, she was something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ni Nidine Menndez. She's doing four and a half

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Speaker 2: years in prison for bribery in corruption also, And this

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Speaker 2: segment of the book that I was reading about was

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Speaker 2: all about when he met her. And it's just what's

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Speaker 2: interesting to me is that kind of woman. And maybe y'

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Speaker 2: all know some or maybe some of you are that, uh,

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Speaker 2: you're I was gonna say, a hot woman, but it's

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Speaker 2: often not like the hottest of the hot it's just

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Speaker 2: you're you're pretty attractive, and you decide to make your

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Speaker 2: way through the world on that by attaching yourselves to

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Speaker 2: politicians or rock stars or successful businessmen or whatever in

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Speaker 2: the most like transparent way. But you you attach yourselves

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Speaker 2: to the kind of guys that don't care that it's transparent,

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Speaker 2: that they're only with you for the fact that you're

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Speaker 2: a rock star or a senator or have a lot

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Speaker 2: of money. Both both of you know what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: and I find that just so disgusting all the way

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Speaker 2: around the fact that you both know exactly what you're

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Speaker 2: doing and are okay with it. It's one thing to

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Speaker 2: be fooled like you're you're you're a US senator and

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Speaker 2: an attractive woman and you think she loves you and

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Speaker 2: everything like that. But it's clear from this relationship and

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Speaker 2: all the people she'd gone through. The excerpt was so interesting.

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Speaker 2: She'd been with so many different rich or powerful people,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like everybody knew exactly what was going

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Speaker 2: there all the time. Nobody's pretending anything else. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's also slimy. Her and her friends were all that

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Speaker 2: kind of woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a friend who has an ex who

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Speaker 1: turned out to be that sort of person, and he

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Speaker 1: told me, uh, her her mom was too, and that

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Speaker 1: was just the model. See, there's nothing in my background

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Speaker 1: that would make me think, hey, I've got an idea. Right,

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Speaker 1: we have this nakedly transactional you're hot, I'm rich thing.

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Speaker 1: But if you grew up with I didn't have a

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Speaker 1: cynical view of marriage, I guess you'd have to have that.

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of you women who are

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Speaker 2: very attractive, who who just like go through life like normal,

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Speaker 2: and our attraction churche is aside part of your life

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Speaker 2: or personality or whatever, but you don't make that your

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Speaker 2: This is how I'm going to end up being with

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Speaker 2: a senator. And if this thing with the senator, if

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Speaker 2: he gets tired of me, I'll go to a rock star.

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Speaker 2: Just just sounds like such an exhausting life for a

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Speaker 2: CEO or something. Yeah, yeah, And that's exactly what she does.

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Speaker 2: She would go to parties. Well, well, this happens all

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Speaker 2: the time when the somebody becomes aware in the news

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Speaker 2: and you find out that she dated you know, five

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Speaker 2: out at those kind of parties.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, if you were

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Speaker 1: going to make a counter argument, and it's not like

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this personally, but the accounter. Argument would be,

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Speaker 1: and you certainly know this, that getting together marrying for

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Speaker 1: love and having it not go well is crushing. It's

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Speaker 1: it's horrible, true to ask. So how about I just

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Speaker 1: get into a relationship. We're both happy, we both know

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Speaker 1: what to expect, and yeah, I mean, we're not crazy

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Speaker 1: in love. But what the hell, it's a nice lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know, Like, I can't arguing.

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Speaker 1: In favor of that. I just think that's probably the

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Speaker 2: I get the guy who thinks it's love, but the

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Speaker 2: guy who knows I'm a troll. She's only with me

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Speaker 2: because I'm a senator. Ah, that just seems like a

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Speaker 2: heck of a thing to wake up and think every day.

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Speaker 1: No friends with benefits? What are the benefits? Let's talk.

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Speaker 2: We got the gold bars coming in from Egypt. Don

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Speaker 2: That's that's the cool thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just explaining in that book how she and

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Speaker 2: her friends would go to parties and they would know

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Speaker 2: who is going to be there, and they would spot

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Speaker 2: them have a discussion amongst themselves. So who is going

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Speaker 2: to approach whom? You know, kind of split him up. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you go, you go with the CEO. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go talk to the Senator horrible.

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Speaker 1: My daughter, who interned with a couple of different organizations

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Speaker 1: that included the very powerful in Washington.

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Speaker 1: At one point she said to me, it's all really

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Speaker 1: interesting and exciting, but you can feel your soul dying.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure. And then somebody like sender Menindez, because I

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Speaker 2: assume he didn't start a crook in his life, is

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Speaker 2: sold deadened throughout the whole many many many years of

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Speaker 2: being around government, and probably got cynical enough where he thought, hey,

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Speaker 2: everybody's getting rich. I' might just rich who cares sure.

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Speaker 1: Being a powerful man in New Jersey. Forget about it.

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Speaker 2: It's all a game. Yeah, something more uplifting. I want

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Speaker 2: to read a little bit of this. Richard Lowry writing

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Speaker 2: in the New York Post about the Mississippi Miracle, and

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Speaker 2: he's very annoyed by that term that people have attached

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Speaker 2: to it, as he writes, there's nothing miraculous. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about the education thing. We've talked about a lot. The

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Speaker 2: Mississippi went from last in the country to like top

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Speaker 2: five first in some categories.

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Speaker 1: A couple other states too.

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Speaker 2: The Mississippi Miracle and he said, there's nothing miraculous about

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Speaker 2: a state that adopts phonics and sets high standards for

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Speaker 2: its kids getting better results in reading instruction. This to

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Speaker 2: the country is a predictable outcome, not a miracle. It's

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Speaker 2: exactly what you would expect to happen, and a replicable one,

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Speaker 2: as other Southern states have taken up similar policies and

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Speaker 2: are getting the same results. I think that's a very

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Speaker 2: good point to make.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's frustrating, though, isn't it. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: good story, but that you have to explain to people

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Speaker 1: how they did it and how successful it is, and

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Speaker 1: then talk them out of continuing to pursue exactly the

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Speaker 1: wrong policies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the idea quick call it a miracle.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what would be a good name the

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Speaker 2: Mississippi going back to what has always worked towards the

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Speaker 2: little cumbers obvious. I don't know, but that's a much

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Speaker 2: better point to make. We started doing what has always

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Speaker 2: worked for like two thousand years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, went back to it.

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Speaker 2: It's not a miracle.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point and a solid point. I just

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Speaker 1: I think calling it to Mississippi miracle gets people's attention.

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Speaker 1: I suppose it all this shiny object.

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Speaker 2: It all came out of a piece written in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and two called illiteracy is a policy choice that

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Speaker 2: actually came out of Florida, and that's where it all started.

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Speaker 2: I Unfortunately for my kids, and thank god, my older son,

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Speaker 2: who really dealt with this is can read fine. But

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Speaker 2: he landed in kindergarten right at the time where they

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Speaker 2: did away with phonics and they no longer believed in

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Speaker 2: phonics and they went with sight words. And looking back

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Speaker 2: But as my first kid in first year school and Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing now, and we would practice

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Speaker 2: the site words at home and it never really worked.

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Speaker 2: Of course it didn't. The idea that you just taken

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Speaker 2: out with phonics, it's just a dumb idea on its face.

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Speaker 1: There are too many effing words for one thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the creative spelling, the whole language approach, it was a

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Speaker 1: fad adopted by those layers of PhD administrators to justify

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Speaker 1: say I've got an innovative, great new policy. It's to

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Speaker 1: do what we've always done because it works really, really well.

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Speaker 1: Then what the hell are you doing there? So education

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Speaker 2: If you're unfamiliar with this, because I sat through the

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Speaker 2: lecture about it before we started teaching our kids this way. Uh,

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Speaker 2: there was this new theory that people don't actually learn

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Speaker 2: to read through sounds. You take in a word as

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Speaker 2: a whole. That's the way the brain works. And then

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Speaker 2: they would throw around some mumbo jump up and looking

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. No, who has ever picked

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Speaker 2: all at once. No, of course you don't.

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Speaker 1: No, especially because writing is really just it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a way to record spoken language. And kids learn spoken

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Speaker 1: language way way way before they learn to read. Sure,

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Speaker 1: they know what see Jane run means long before they

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Speaker 1: can read those words. So you've just got to help

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Speaker 1: them learn how to identify in print sounds that they've

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Speaker 1: heard before. And you get older, you learn new words

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Speaker 1: through reading. But that's you know, a different phase in

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Speaker 1: your life. But to see again, the part that makes

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Speaker 1: people with both my fists is that there was never

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Speaker 1: any problem with the old approach. The phonics approame with

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Speaker 2: Same with math, the same with the math. Math was fine,

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Speaker 2: there was there was nobody. Nobody was having any trouble

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Speaker 2: with the way we always learned math. You didn't need

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Speaker 2: to develop a new way to do it.

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Speaker 1: A cure in search of a disease, as the old

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Speaker 2: Has that gone away because my kids are out past

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Speaker 2: that age where they're learning math at that But that

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Speaker 2: was horrible?

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Speaker 1: Oh my good progressive places, they are still fighting tooth

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Speaker 1: and nail against reinstituting phonics, even as they fight to

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Speaker 1: have secretly guide your son into becoming a girl.

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Speaker 2: So I think phonics is just part of it. I

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Speaker 2: think maybe the most important part of what Mississippi is

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Speaker 2: doing in those other southern states is having standards and

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Speaker 2: holding people to them. They've done away with I forget

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Speaker 2: what the soft phrase they use when I was young,

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Speaker 2: Did you hear Jimmy flunked, he's gonna have to take

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Speaker 1: Together, right, Look, there's the drummer right here with us.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, knock yourself have a good time. Hey, can we

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Speaker 1: The FEDS who are protecting the federal buildings and workers

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Speaker 4: To allow for meticular traffic remain on the sidewalk across

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Speaker 1: So they've used AI to have Donald Trump pread that

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Speaker 2: There won't the more fat generals. We are done with that,

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Speaker 1: people who they just fired I think, but the habit

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Speaker 1: was gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that happens once you get out, because I

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Speaker 2: did that with the NFL when my kids were born

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Speaker 2: and I was a huge NFL fan. I got out

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Speaker 2: and if you're if you stay out for a couple

445
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Speaker 2: of years, it's it's worked to get back in because

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Speaker 2: you don't know who anybody is and it's hard to

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Speaker 2: get back into it again. I've always been somewhat consistent

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Speaker 2: on baseball I was noticed in last night. This is

449
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Speaker 2: just kind of interesting from that whole scandal a couple

450
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Speaker 2: of years ago when the Houston Astros had the they

451
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Speaker 2: were stealing and then sending Morris Code by banging a

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Speaker 2: bat on a trash can to signal simple and brilliant. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's that's known, right, that's not just a theory.

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Speaker 2: That's they nailed that down.

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Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, they got hammered for it.

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Speaker 2: Regardless. Watching playoff Baseball last night several different games, there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of those players that are on teams

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Speaker 2: now and carry the teams. They were really good players,

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Speaker 2: so they were cheating and they're really good players. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta be both. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, tell me precisely what major league pitch

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Speaker 1: is coming at me. I ain't hitting it. You got

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Speaker 1: to be really, really good.

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Speaker 2: That dude that was pitching for the Red Sox last night,

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Speaker 2: they left him in as opposed to other pitchers that

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Speaker 2: got pulled out yesterday. Because the pitch counts such a

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Speaker 2: big deal in the modern world. You don't go over

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Speaker 2: a certain number. Back in the day, they'd left you

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Speaker 2: out there until your arm fell off, but the dude

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Speaker 2: they left in for the Red Sox through his hardest

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Speaker 2: pitch of the night on his last pitch, he had

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Speaker 2: retired seventeen in a row, struck out a guy with

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Speaker 2: one hundred point two mile an hour fastball. His fastest

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Speaker 2: pitch of the night was his one hundred and seventeenth pitch,

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Speaker 2: most he'd ever pitched in one game. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: The Yankees had bases loaded bottom of the night at

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Speaker 2: the Yankee Stadium, which is like your movie scenario, no out.

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Speaker 1: How far were they behind?

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Speaker 2: It was three to one I think at the time

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Speaker 2: basis loaded, I mean absolutely in it. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean and then then they ended up straying all three.

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Speaker 1: God, I love baseball so much.

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Speaker 2: It is weird. The playoff baseball is awesome.

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Speaker 1: What other check it back in?

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Speaker 2: Apparently Troy Aikman bad mouth the broadcast the other night

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Speaker 2: for Sunday Night Football. I wasn't watching it, but it

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Speaker 2: was a blowout game and there were a bunch of

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Speaker 2: flags being thrown and he was complaining about it, saying,

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Speaker 2: this is just a terrible product we're offering here. What

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Speaker 2: are they doing? So do you think that that makes

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Speaker 2: sense like if a game's a blowout, stop throwing flags.

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Speaker 2: Just let the thing get over with. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what I think about that.

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Speaker 1: I could loosening it up a little bit, so, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting back to baseball, I have it on pretty good

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Speaker 1: authority that if it's seventeen to one, that strike zones

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Speaker 1: getting big. Oh really, because we've all got places to go.

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Speaker 1: Have Both teams want it, the Umps want it, the

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Speaker 1: hot dog vendors want it. The fans are already gone.

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Speaker 1: Let's get this beach over.

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Speaker 2: With Corey Well, who's enjoying this. This is a terrible.

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Speaker 1: Product talking about We're gonna go under the hood and

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Speaker 1: this stinking blowouts. Stop it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we will finish strong next.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 6: Speaking yesterday about the cost of higher education, Governor A.

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Speaker 6: Round De Santis promoted the new College of Florida to

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Speaker 6: parents nationwide and added quote, would you rather visit your

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Speaker 6: kid in January in Michigan or Sarasota? Does this guy

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Speaker 6: even know how college works? Nobody visits their kid in January?

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Speaker 2: They were just for.

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Speaker 1: Hm hmmm. It wasn't a show stopper, but it's certainly

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Speaker 1: slowed it down. Yeah, uh, Jack, I have and you

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Speaker 1: will dispute this, but I stand ready to defend myself.

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Speaker 1: I have a fascinating note on the shutdown. Okay, fascinating

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Speaker 1: might oversell it. Can I have a second take? I

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Speaker 1: have a mildly interesting note on the shutdown. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going through this checklist on uh, you know, will social

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Speaker 1: Security checks go out? Will national parks close?

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Speaker 2: Baba?

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Speaker 1: How could the shutdown affect travel? Transportation Security Administration employees

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Speaker 1: and air traffic controllers would work without pay, but travelers

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Speaker 1: could see longer security lines or delays, especially if employees

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Speaker 1: skip on paid work. Wait a minute, you're telling me

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Speaker 1: the TSA is going to be surlier and less engaged,

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Speaker 1: the TSA is going to be in a bad mood,

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Speaker 1: and air traffic controllers are going.

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Speaker 2: To be resentful. Now you've got my attention. They eventually

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Speaker 2: get paid. We all know this, right, You've been through

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Speaker 2: enough of these shutdowns to realize they eventually get paid.

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Speaker 2: So and and and unless it goes for a while,

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Speaker 2: you get your check exactly the same time you always

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Speaker 2: get your check, so uh, it rarely means anything. So

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Speaker 2: that's way over. So I was listening news this morning,

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Speaker 2: and they use the example of for instance, this Friday,

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Speaker 2: the inflation numbers are supposed to come out, and with

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Speaker 2: the government shut down, those numbers may not come out

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Speaker 2: on time. And I thought, if that's the best you

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Speaker 2: can do for how horrific the shutdown is for America,

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Speaker 2: and I think we'll be all right. That's your that's

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Speaker 2: your best example, Mommy.

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Speaker 1: What's the current inflation?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: I just don't know, honey, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did you see this story that there's another Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: out there and he's even worse what This guy Howard

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Speaker 2: ruben X new York City financier with not as rich

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Speaker 2: as Epstein, not worth billions, but worth many tens of millions,

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Speaker 2: well known in the Big Apple. He just got arrested

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Speaker 2: the other day. And there's a lot of similarities with Epstein.

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Speaker 2: He had been trafficking and torturing playboy models and other

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Speaker 2: women in his Midtown Manhattan penthouse sex dungeon for many, many,

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Speaker 2: many years, good god like, including beating them and electrocuting them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so he was a degree worse than Epstein.

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Speaker 2: But the interesting thing to me is they've also arrested

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Speaker 2: this woman just like Gislaane Maxwell. He had a pretty

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Speaker 2: attractive woman who worked with him that apparently they had

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Speaker 2: no sexual relationship between them, but she was the one

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Speaker 2: that would find the women and bring him to them,

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Speaker 2: and he paid for everything that she did. He financed

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Speaker 2: her life, her and her husband. She was the you know, assistant.

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Speaker 2: Apparently that's what these people do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I've been aware of some really troubling

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Speaker 1: uh sex trafficking rings, including child sex trafficking rings, and

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Speaker 1: there's some utterly brutal, soulless women involved in those rings.

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Speaker 1: Almost always, that's our goal, is to gain the trust

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Speaker 1: of the victims.

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Speaker 2: WA's their job because this is usually portrayed as a

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Speaker 2: dude thing obviously, but they have these women helpers that

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Speaker 2: can go out and get the chicks for them. God

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Speaker 2: dang it got and some of the texts that they

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Speaker 2: had in between the two of them in the New

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Speaker 2: York Post were rough because he would he was into

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Speaker 2: the whole hitting people thing, and like one of his

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Speaker 2: texts he sent, I went, I went pretty far on

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Speaker 2: this one. We're gonna have to work really hard to

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Speaker 2: give her enough money for her to keep her mouth shut. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, yeah, it's brutal. Oh, my ma is

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Speaker 2: super well known, you know, man about town. What is

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Speaker 2: wrong with people?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: Money can buy a lot, including that lifestyle. I guess

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Speaker 1: for a while, God, yeah, I guess. Sick.

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Speaker 2: How much time do we have?

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Speaker 1: Michael A minute at thirty minute thirty? You know, I've

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Speaker 1: got believe it or not, some really interesting follow up

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Speaker 1: stuff on Charlie Kirk and his assassination and the reaction

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Speaker 1: to it. Probably don't have time to get into it exactly,

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Speaker 1: but the way I was going to get into it was,

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend yesterday. I'll just leave

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Speaker 1: it at that. We have an association, we deal with

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Speaker 1: each other. But he was dealing with a person very bright, personable,

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Speaker 1: likable fella political lefty, and this guy was at this

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Speaker 1: point and it was I think earlier this week, guy's

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Speaker 1: completely convinced, be on a shadow of doubt that the

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Speaker 1: young man who assassinated Charlie Kirk was a MAGA enthusiast

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Speaker 1: who thought Charlie Kirk didn't go far enough. That hole

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Speaker 1: completely convinced of that still, and then went on a

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Speaker 1: rant and the irony police are going to lay down

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Speaker 1: their arms and retire. Then went on a rant about

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Speaker 1: how people are brainwashed by Fox News and how it

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Speaker 1: is so one sided. And my friend was like, what

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Speaker 1: do you say to somebody? Like he was not in

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Speaker 1: a position to say anything to the guy for reasons

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Speaker 1: of commerce. But it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, I don't know how society works when

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Speaker 2: he got that completely different set of facts out there.

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Speaker 1: The president of the College Professors Association in America is

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Speaker 1: still claiming Charlie Kirk's assassin was a right wing kid.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Down strong, it's.

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Speaker 4: Strong.

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Speaker 2: You're ready. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew

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Speaker 1: to wrap up the day. There is Michelangelo pressing the

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Speaker 1: buttons in the controller. Michael, what's your final thought? You

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Speaker 1: know what I love about playoffs baseball is that there's

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Speaker 1: always the role players that become superstars, and then you

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Speaker 1: have the superstars that shrink.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, true, it happens, Katie Green are esteemed to use

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Speaker 1: woman as a final thought. Katie, I've already informed my

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Speaker 1: husband that we will be referring to it as a

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Speaker 1: shower poof from here on. There you go. It's the

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Speaker 1: proper term.

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Speaker 2: Jacka final thought for us yeah, show Hey with Tani

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Speaker 2: did not shrink last night. Two home runs in Game

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Speaker 2: one for the Dodgers. But it's hard to root for

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Speaker 2: a team with the payroll that they've got. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's so close to buy in a World Series and

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Speaker 2: just I don't know, I have trouble getting on board

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 1: Oh near a longtime band wagon jump or two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what one feels extra dirty.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: My final thought is echoing something we discussed earlier in

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Speaker 1: the show. Ask if they're teaching phonics at your kids' schools,

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Speaker 1: and if they're not, get them out of there. The

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00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: crazes that took hold in American education over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years, the Woke period and screwed up these kids'

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Speaker 1: ability to learn is just unforgivable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe even talk to people in your school boarder,

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Speaker 2: teachers or whatever about the Hey you heard about the

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Speaker 2: Mississippi miracle. What do you think of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Bring it up a lot.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty Wraight pick up another grueling four hour workday.

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Speaker 1: So many people, thanks, so little time. Go to Armstrong

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Speaker 1: and Getty dot com. The clique though, the clicks, the

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Speaker 1: hot links, Katie's Corner. You can email us mail bag

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Speaker 1: at Armstrong Yeddy dot com. Pick up a T shirt

650
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Speaker 1: or a hoodie or a hat or something for your

651
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: favorite A and G fan and it helps keep everybody

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Speaker 1: on the payroll.

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Speaker 5: Dring.

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Speaker 1: It's difficult times.

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Speaker 2: Now we're getting close enough to Christmas too, you might

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Speaker 2: want to start thinking about that. You will see them.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, bless America. I'm strong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: They see gender is only a construct and sex is

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Speaker 3: assigned in birth, and they say.

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Speaker 2: We are done with that.

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Speaker 3: Transing kids by self diagnosis with no age limit, no

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Speaker 3: parental notification, and no acknowledgment of social contagent.

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Speaker 2: We are done with that. Homelessness is a lifestyle, Done

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Speaker 2: with that. Whiteness is toxic. Don henuses in.

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Speaker 3: Women's prison, done welcoming me intofada.

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Speaker 2: We are done, done, done with that. Armstrong and Getty,