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Speaker 1: There we go. It is a Wednesday, We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful day Live. It's The Herd wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening, whatever platform it is. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for making enough part of your day. Joel Platt in

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Speaker 1: one hour, got another look the college football rankings, which

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Speaker 1: becomes the college football Playoff. You know I saw this

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Speaker 1: morning certain things that just make you smile. If you

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Speaker 1: saw this j Mac, you know, the highest graded quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the NFL the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Of course, let me get a guess. I'll go Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting, isn't this funny?

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Speaker 1: Highest rated PFF quarterback all year as a former Trojan

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Speaker 1: and currently the hottest USC Trojan.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you they're coming back telling you so.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this success.

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Speaker 4: In any field.

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Speaker 1: Any field can be law education, it's mostly masonry, one

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Speaker 1: brick at a time. Great parenting isn't the weekend birthday parties.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday through Friday, seven to eight to seven p.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams was flashy last year. Caleb Williams is still

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Speaker 1: flashy this year. But you want to know why he's

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Speaker 1: the highest credded quarterback. It's all the masonry. He proves

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Speaker 1: that young talented quarterbacks, even super hyper talented quarterbacks, they

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Speaker 1: just need a base line of support and common sense.

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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson takes.

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Speaker 1: This job, does he say, Caleb, I want more zany

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Speaker 1: flashy plays.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: The first thing he addresses, we got to get better

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Speaker 1: at guard center guard. Not even the most dynamic offensive

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Speaker 1: old line. They get Jonah Jackson, Drew Dolman. They get

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Speaker 1: Joe Toney guard center guard. The second thing he says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you something, Caleb, can you not run backwards?

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Speaker 1: I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre

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Speaker 1: stat penalties. Two basic masonry laying brick needs. And suddenly

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Speaker 1: he's the hottest quarterback in the league. Because when you're

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Speaker 1: not first and fifteen or first and twenty or second

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Speaker 1: run the ball better, and you run the ball more often,

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Speaker 1: and that helps the quarterback. Now, Patrick Mahomes the way

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Speaker 1: he entered the league Hall of Fame coach, great GM,

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Speaker 1: That car had no flat tires, and Caleb entered the

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Speaker 1: Bears with eber flues and that staff and the battle line.

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Speaker 1: Their were four flat tires. But Caleb was not terrible

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Speaker 1: last year. He was wildly flashy. Twenty touchdown, six picks.

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Speaker 1: It's all the little stuff that makes great parenting and

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Speaker 1: great quarterback. Yeah, we have much better protection guard, center guard.

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Speaker 1: We don't have any negative plays pre snap stuff. What

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Speaker 1: You're always playing in front of the sticks. It's never

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Speaker 1: first and fifteen, it's never second and twenty two. Move

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Speaker 4: That's in eight, that's natural. That's gonna come.

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Speaker 1: Caleb's success this year is a on all the minutia

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Speaker 1: Last year it was eighty eight. This year it's ninety two.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't run the ball last year for Chicago between

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Speaker 5: You have to have a quarterback that can make second,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Caleb brings the sizzle, right, he brings the sizzle.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just brought in a better stake. Success is

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Speaker 1: an exception because I think this is instructive. So I

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Speaker 1: said the other day, I said, Micah Parsons is a

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Speaker 1: be surprised if Dallas moves off him even though he's

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Speaker 1: a great athlete and a great player, and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer. But the Cowboys try

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Speaker 1: doesn't have fast eyes. He's one of those classic Hassan

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Speaker 1: Reddick was this. He's a much better player than Hassan Reddick.

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Speaker 1: See quarterback, go get him, sea ball, go get it.

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Speaker 1: There's no knock on that. He's a world class athlete. Well,

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Speaker 1: he didn't like when I said that. He put up

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Speaker 1: a tweet yesterday and said, hey, we just held Saquon

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Speaker 1: holding teams to thirteen points. Man, Sometimes, can y'all please

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Speaker 1: just blankety blank stop giving people mics or listening to trash.

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Speaker 1: So let me just say this about your great job

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley has rushed for sixty yards or less. The

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys held them to sixty yards. The Eagles can't

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Speaker 1: run the football this year. That wasn't great defense. That

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Speaker 1: argument here isn't about who's right me or Micah. It's

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Speaker 1: very very infrequent professional athletes that do a bunch of

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Speaker 4: O Tawani can do everything.

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Speaker 1: Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman, man

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson was just a great running back, Micah is

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Speaker 1: essentially Tyreek Hill for the record, both traded in their prime.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't run great routes, but he'll probably make the

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Speaker 1: They moved off him in his prime, and the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: what Micah is? He's Tyreek Hill. Both traded in their prime.

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Speaker 1: Both unbelievable, Both will probably make the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Both highly productive. But Tyreek Hill isn't Larry Fitzgerald. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But the Cowboys tritament linebacker. I was told bad GM

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Speaker 4: It's not what he does.

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Speaker 1: And by great standards, nine percent great athletes, not just

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Speaker 1: old timer, that does a bunch of stuff. Well, Christian

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Speaker 1: Got Belichick New York Giant rumors, I believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: Belichick New York Giant rumors. I'm gonna quiz everybody this

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Speaker 2: News, this is the herdline news, all right.

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Speaker 6: Colin a few weeks ago, I said I was really

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Speaker 6: You saw what happened last weekend, another brutal loss to

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Speaker 10: I'm just not going to allow your words to be

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Speaker 9: That's all.

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Speaker 10: Sunday night was what it was, but I have no

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Speaker 1: It's my second favorite bet of the week is the

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Speaker 6: So, uh, Bengals, you saw the big news this week, right,

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Speaker 2: Up a win or two.

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Speaker 3: We steal one here.

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Speaker 6: We already beat these chumps, right, we're right back in

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Speaker 3: Why not? Why not us?

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's issue has always been he's a terrible Thursday night coach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we know about Pittsburgh, we don't know what

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Speaker 1: Come on, they didn't handle them the ball. They earned

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Speaker 6: But the other thing on the Bengals gone these divisional

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Speaker 6: careful the number is five and a half. It's a

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Speaker 6: This is a great Sunday night football matchup. I gotta

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Speaker 3: In a clash of NFC powers.

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Speaker 9: This is a heavyweight. This is a heavyweight match, and ma'am,

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Speaker 9: one misstep can cost you this game. Now, that shouldn't

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Speaker 9: You got to give it your full attention and lay

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Speaker 1: I like Philadelphia. It was one and a half. I

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Speaker 3: Against the Packers. That was a tough one.

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia is the play here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, final story, Colin and I love this one.

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Speaker 6: The Dallas Mavericks obviously fired their GM Nico Harrison after

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Speaker 3: Well, now it's getting real spicy.

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Speaker 6: There is an NBA writer named John Hollinger who is

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Speaker 3: Know the fan base.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw.

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Speaker 3: I talked about this on my podcast.

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Speaker 6: Harrison because the whole arena is booing during the game, and.

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Speaker 3: She's like, why do we have.

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Speaker 6: To put up with this crap, essentially the Nico Harrison trade.

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Speaker 6: There's just a stench lingering. And I hate to say it,

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Speaker 6: but Anthony Davis was.

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Speaker 4: Part of that trade.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I almost think you kind of have to

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Speaker 6: move him just to move on from that trade. Right,

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Speaker 6: you fired Nico, Now you got to move ad. I'm

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Speaker 6: putting you on the spot here, but do you have

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Speaker 6: any landing spots for Anthony Davis? And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 6: no Laker fan wants him back, Just to put that

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Speaker 6: out there, I don't. He's still a little overweight, he's

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Speaker 6: still injured. I think he's coming back this week.

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Speaker 3: They expect No. I thought, I see efensively, he's.

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Speaker 1: Really good, I said two weeks ago on the show.

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Speaker 1: I watched two Mavericks games. He looked heavy. It did

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Speaker 1: not look like he was in great shape. So and

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Speaker 1: that earlier in his career had been an issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think Dallas, it just kind of

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Speaker 1: smells as a franchise.

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Speaker 4: It was a bad move.

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Speaker 1: I always said, if you want to trade Luca, then

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Speaker 1: you got to get three first round picks. Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 1: Max Fris maybe in Austin Reeves. They didn't get enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm not anti trading in, but you got to get

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Speaker 1: more because I do think the drafts going forward. This

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Speaker 1: next draft, by the way, oh no, it's one of

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Speaker 1: the best drafts in a decade. I mean the top

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Speaker 1: three picks are like can't miss guys, the Kansas Wing,

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Speaker 1: the Boozer Kid BYU Star like this. The nil is

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Speaker 1: going to make all these NBA drafts going forward much

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Speaker 1: more fortified, much better drafts, much thicker at the top

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Speaker 1: eight or nine guys that can't miss. I was okay

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Speaker 1: moving Luca if I got Austin Reeves three first round

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Speaker 1: picks and Ad they just didn't get enough, and then

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Speaker 1: when everybody got hurt, then it makes the trade look disastrous.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not one of these you know when they

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Speaker 1: when the Chiefs traded a Tyreek Hill, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: or Micah getting traded. Dallas' defense was bad this year,

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Speaker 1: it's bad last year. I'm I'm for trades, but you

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Speaker 1: got to get more than the Mavericks got.

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Speaker 6: The problem Colent, I don't think the Mavericks can go

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Speaker 6: out there and be like, oh, we're going to get

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Speaker 6: to first for Ad. I'm sorry, I don't think that

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Speaker 6: I don't think anything close to that. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: don't want to say you sell them on pennies on

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Speaker 6: the dollar, but using your theory, if something's not working,

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Speaker 6: you just got to make.

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Speaker 2: Them just cut bait.

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Speaker 6: They might just have to take a poop poo platter

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Speaker 6: of guys. And you know, a not great first and

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Speaker 6: a second round pick for Anthony Davis, who again at

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Speaker 6: the height of his powers, he's a really good, impactful

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Speaker 6: defensive player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: That's the heard Line news.

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this, ask yourself, what draft picks.

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Speaker 4: Did we think.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be pretty sensational players and they really

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Speaker 1: haven't delivered. I'll give you a list. Travis Hunter with

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Speaker 1: the Jags, Ashton Jenny with the Raiders, and Cam Ward

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Speaker 1: with the Titans, and those are dynamic players and they

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Speaker 1: didn't do anything. So there's a story. Travis Hunter. They

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Speaker 1: shut him down for the year. He had two hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety eight yards this year one touchdown. Do you

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Speaker 1: really think Travis Hunter if he went to the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Rams of the Ravens would have under three hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: That would be I mean marginal defensive player, really talented.

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Speaker 1: So that's whenever I hear, oh, the Jets in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of first round picks, My take is

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Speaker 1: that's just giving money in the family to the one

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Speaker 1: guy that's irresponsible with money. The Jacks screw everything up.

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Speaker 1: The Browns, Jets, they screw everything up. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to hear about all your first round picks. By the way,

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Speaker 1: what rookies have actually been really good?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell going to Vrabel and Robert Kraft the Patriots. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren going to Shane Stike in great GM Colts.

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Speaker 1: Oh a Mecca at MUKA Tampa is a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Oh Gray Zabel Seattle, well run, I mean, go look

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Speaker 1: at the first round. But he said, oh cam Ward

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Speaker 1: and Travis they're going to be unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Look where they went.

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Speaker 1: The guys that are actually good is the first guy

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Speaker 1: that went to Mike Frable. Now I will say tam

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Speaker 1: Mac to the receiver in Carolina. They're dysfunctional, though less

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Speaker 1: so today than two years ago. He's pretty good. But

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Speaker 1: when I hear about all these draft picks, go look

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Speaker 1: at Travis Hunter. This whole flyer on cornerback is dumb.

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Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. It's an offensive league.

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Speaker 4: Get him the ball.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen targets, eleven catches, two jet sweeps, one reverse. He's

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Speaker 1: a super talented player, but he's a receiver and a

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Speaker 1: return man.

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Speaker 4: Get him out of corner.

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Speaker 1: Go look at the we thought Ashton genty was going

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Speaker 1: to be unbelievable. Travis Hunter and Cam Ward, a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys are super talented. They went to franchises

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Speaker 1: that don't know what to do with the money, don't

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Speaker 1: know what to do with the talent. Bummer, But it's true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're the general manager. You're the general manager. You have

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Speaker 1: until the end of today to give quarterbacks a two

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Speaker 1: hundred fifty million dollar contract.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and forty of it's guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: We'll throw all the twenty five and under quarterbacks out

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Speaker 1: there and show you how difficult these decisions are.

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Speaker 4: Next The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern n a em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: Fox College Football Friday is under the lights in primetime.

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Speaker 3: This week.

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Speaker 6: It's a battle in the Big Ten as Minnesota takes

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Speaker 6: on Dante More and Number eight Oregon Friday night, nine

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Speaker 6: pm Eastern, six pm Pacific on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast,

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Speaker 1: and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very

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Speaker 1: well offensively, and he said when he watches bon Nicks,

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Speaker 1: he sees somebody that just doesn't He's not seeing it.

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Speaker 1: He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you

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Speaker 1: are a GM, and this is what gms go through.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said,

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Speaker 1: Baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: let him go. They probably regret it now. Minnesota, you know,

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Speaker 1: do we keep Sam? We pay him this, we let

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Speaker 1: him go, Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski's really smart, Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold and now they're Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: The stuff is hard.

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Speaker 1: It's easy when you get somebody on a discount, they're

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Speaker 1: on a rookie contract, you know, or you're spending somebody

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Speaker 1: else's money. But if I said, you're the general manager

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Speaker 1: and knowing that the minute you pay a quarterback big money,

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Speaker 1: the roster will not look the same. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 1: if you paid Caleb Williams two hundred and ninety million

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Speaker 1: dollars today, new contract. We gotta let dj Moore go.

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Speaker 1: We gotta let Joe Tony go. We can't pay for

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Speaker 1: all of it, can't can't get you gotta let now.

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Speaker 1: I got Roma Dunza and I'll still have Drew Dolman

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Speaker 1: and Jonah Jackson. I probably got let Joe Tuney go.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City had to let Joe Tuny go with protecting mahomes.

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Speaker 4: They had to let him go guard.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So all these things considered, here are the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the NFL twenty five and under.

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Speaker 4: There's a eleven. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So if I said you have until the end of

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Speaker 1: the business day today to make a decision two hundred

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Speaker 1: ninety three hundred million dollar contract, half of it guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: who are the three you would take? The easy one

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Speaker 1: is Drake May. Drake May wasn't great last year. He

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Speaker 1: was lousy in the opener against the Raiders, but the

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Speaker 1: last eight nine weeks that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May,

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Speaker 1: He's the easy one. You need three total. The next

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Speaker 1: two I would take our CJ. Stroud, who's hurt again

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Speaker 1: and his passer rating the last two years is eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: eight great, not really a starter eighty nine. And the

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Speaker 1: next I would take his Kleb and his two years

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Speaker 1: in the NFL year and a half, his passer rating

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Speaker 1: hovers around ninety not great, okay. So and even with

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson it's like ninety two and a half that's

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Speaker 1: not great. I'd like upper nineties, okay. So the three

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Speaker 1: twenty five and under, and for our radio audience, I'll

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Speaker 1: read you the quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels, Okay, I can't. He's

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Speaker 1: hurt for the fourth time a year and a half

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Speaker 1: in Jackson Dart lives in the blue tent. JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: obvious reasons. Michael Pennix junior hurt in college. Looks really

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Speaker 1: really disappointing so far. Brock perty Small hurt again. Max

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Speaker 1: Jones went thirty three at thirty nine last weekend. Has

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Speaker 1: has brought every done that we're just asking, uh cam Ward,

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Speaker 1: who knows Bryce Young probably not going to extend him.

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Speaker 1: So you start looking at all these my three one

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Speaker 1: with no hesitation as Drake May the next two c

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Speaker 1: J Stroud has a couple of playoff wins, hurt again,

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Speaker 1: ninety passer rating last two years. I would resign him

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Speaker 1: and Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a

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Speaker 1: truer version of himself and it's about a ninety two

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Speaker 1: passer rating. But everybody bangs on bon Nicks. Let me

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Speaker 1: remind you of Bononix. Two things I want to remind

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Speaker 1: you of. In the fourth quarter this season, he's basically

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Speaker 1: number one at everything, first downs, game winning drives, total touchdown,

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Speaker 1: second yards, really good in the fourth quarter for the record,

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Speaker 1: So it is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable.

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Speaker 1: He never gets hurt. Go look at that list again.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart hurt, Jayden Daniels hurt, Bryce Young hurt, c

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Speaker 1: J Strout hurt, everybody's hurt.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's banged up.

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Speaker 1: BONICKX and Caleb Williams and Drake May, they don't get hurt.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton this week on Bonnicks and speeding up his game.

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Speaker 4: Internally, I think it's a plus and a minus.

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Speaker 11: I've said that before. I think one of his great

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Speaker 11: strengths is not taken sacks, and so the clock in

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Speaker 11: his head relative to that sense of urgency. So I

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Speaker 11: think there is a fine line. I think that a

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Speaker 11: much easier problem to correct than the latter, which is

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Speaker 11: taking the sacks, and historically speaking, has proven to be

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Speaker 11: much more difficult to fix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's probably letting go of the ball a stepper,

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Speaker 1: not a step late. He's playing a little fast, a

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Speaker 1: little frenetic. But you I'm always amazed by people that

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Speaker 1: overlook durability. How many times is brock Purdy gonna be hurt?

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Speaker 1: How many times is Jackson Dark gonna go to the

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Speaker 1: blue tenth? Bonis never gets hurt, Caleb Williams never gets hurt.

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Speaker 4: I need my guys there.

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Speaker 1: So, like I said this about mac Jones, Mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt

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Speaker 1: again all the time. I don't know how you can

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Speaker 1: overlook that. Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him

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Speaker 1: in there. He has no support. He could be really

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Speaker 1: good eventually. But if I said, you got to pick

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Speaker 1: three guys and you gotta write the check, knowing when

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Speaker 1: you write the check, you gotta let people go. Now,

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Speaker 1: Drake May you can sign that check. They're not paying anybody,

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Speaker 1: so they wouldn't have to let people go. Travon Henderson rookie,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams receiver, rookie. So they're in a good space.

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell left can't tackle rookie. They're in a really

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Speaker 1: good space. But Caleb if you sign him, or CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud if you sign him, you gotta let people go.

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Speaker 1: So bow Knicks, everybody's banging on bow Knicks. Durable wins

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Speaker 1: games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year?

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Speaker 1: Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: for me. I'm into that. I've worked with people in

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Speaker 1: this industry that are really talented, they're just not dependable.

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Speaker 1: High and low don't get them every day. We talked

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Speaker 1: about masonry, So I don't know. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: like bo Knicks and how it looks. He's the best

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Speaker 1: fourth quarterback in the league right now. He's never hurt

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Speaker 1: and he wins games. He's eighteen and nine in a

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Speaker 1: division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh, Spags, Andy Reid.

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Speaker 4: J Mack.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.

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Speaker 6: This is an awesome segment. I love this idea. So

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Speaker 6: I'm going to break it down for you where I

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Speaker 6: agree and disagree. So I think let's process of elimination

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Speaker 6: right off the bat. You can eliminate three guys. They're

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Speaker 6: not in the mix. Bryce Young out, Michael Pennix out

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Speaker 6: bow knicks out those three guys, and you.

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Speaker 1: And I don't agree on that. I like the durable

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Speaker 1: guy that wins the games.

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Speaker 6: Well again, you know we have two years worth of

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Speaker 6: data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes,

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Speaker 6: he has been able to finagle some wins with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 6: beat a lot of bad teams, but I would eliminate

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Speaker 6: bo Nicks. Not enough data so far. Kim Ward, I

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Speaker 6: don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart, I

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Speaker 6: know we love him, but can't make a decision. And

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Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy, you cannot. You just he's had four starts, okay,

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Speaker 6: So that leaves five guys for do you.

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Speaker 3: Want two or three spots?

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Speaker 4: Three spots?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Drake May I.

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Speaker 6: Think you're right based on the two years we've seen.

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Speaker 6: I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on

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Speaker 6: brock Purty. And why is that Colin? Because he's played

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Speaker 6: more than all these guys. Brock Perty has played way

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Speaker 6: more games than Caleb Williams, more wins, but you love

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Speaker 6: obviously more touchdown more games. He had two game winning

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Speaker 6: drives in the postseason two years ago. I know Caleb

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Speaker 6: has four this year. WHOA Rock Purdy has two in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs. Okay, Purdy has as yards per attempt or

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Speaker 6: eight point eight in his career. Caleb Williams only six

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Speaker 6: point eight. Lot of dink and dunk. So I think

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Speaker 6: Rock Purty's a lock. I think Brock Purty is after

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Speaker 6: Drake May. And then you go between Caleb Stroud and

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Speaker 6: date Jayden Daniels, and Caleb has looked good. But con

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Speaker 6: do you think you're being a little emotional? You now

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Speaker 6: moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.

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Speaker 1: If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you this significantly better athlete who never

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Speaker 1: gets hurt.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't

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Speaker 3: been hurt.

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Speaker 6: I mean he's played like twenty five games or something.

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Speaker 1: Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt

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Speaker 1: in college, he didn't get hurt in high school. He's

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Speaker 1: not hurt this year. If I told you you did

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Speaker 1: with brock Purty and Caleb Williams. You'd never seen him play.

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Speaker 1: I said, one guy much better arm, also significantly more

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Speaker 1: athletic and way more durable.

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Speaker 6: Not a GM in the league that would take brock

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Speaker 6: per Yes. Now here's the big thing with Caleb. So

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Speaker 6: last year he didn't look good at all. Numbers were horrible,

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Speaker 6: body language.

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Speaker 4: Let's stop, let's stop.

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Speaker 1: Twenty touchdowns, six picks, and a passer rating close to ninety.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't well, those are three numbers. There's a billion

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Speaker 3: numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches

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Speaker 3: and upgraded to Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 6: So now he has basically brock Perty has Skyle Shanahan

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Speaker 6: and Caleb has Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: And brock Perty's data compared to Caleb's so far is

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Speaker 3: night and day. Rock Purty's been the better quarterback by

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Speaker 3: almost every metric.

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Speaker 1: When he has more starts, and he has a veteran coach,

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Speaker 1: and he has Christian McCaffrey as em mccaffe and he's

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Speaker 1: hurt all the time, and he's hurt again and mac

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Speaker 1: Jones just put up a Sunday better than any brock

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Speaker 1: Purty ever did from the pocket.

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Speaker 6: I mean Tyson bagent filled in last year and was

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Speaker 6: like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.

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Speaker 1: I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bageit is

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Speaker 1: Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better that's a

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Speaker 1: better Sonny in the pocket than brock pertty never had

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Speaker 1: thirty three to thirty nine with backups.

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Speaker 6: Just by the completion for cents. Listen, I get it,

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Speaker 6: you're out on pretty. He had the shoulder injury in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs and then the toe thing this year. I mean,

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Speaker 6: if he's injury prone, I don't know what joke that

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Speaker 6: makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 6: Jaden Daniels flukey putting his arm down hyper extended.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and

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Speaker 1: Caleb's not hurt, and bo Nix isn't hurt, and Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is

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Speaker 1: most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, most

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Speaker 1: of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some

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Speaker 1: guys are just brittle and small by the way, too

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Speaker 1: is hurt. And then Kyler gets banged up, and Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's just co incidents.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's coincidence the Jags have all

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Speaker 1: these great picks and none of them pan out. And yet,

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Speaker 1: and yet Mike Vrabel gets his top picks this year,

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Speaker 1: his top three picks, they all work out. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that's osmosis happenstance. Smart people, bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 1: durable athletes over time is who I'm with.

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Speaker 4: I've always told you that before.

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Speaker 1: I like traits and trunky and thick, and I like

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Speaker 1: all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: That that stuff matters to me. If you're a.

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Speaker 1: Little small, a little thin, you become Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 4: You know, how about you next,