Speaker 1: Hey, it's Danielle Fischl right or Strong and will Fredell.
Speaker 1: But you know us best as Tapanga.
Speaker 2: Sean and Eric from Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: And now Pod Meets World, the podcast where we've been
Speaker 1: sitting down weekly to rewatch the show we starred in
Speaker 1: as kids, and we've been unpacking well a lot.
Speaker 3: And we've been taking the show on the road with
Speaker 3: the Kids Want to Jump Tour where every stop in
Speaker 3: cities across the US has been totally different and pretty hilarious, if.
Speaker 4: I do say so myself. But we know not everyone
Speaker 4: can join us. So we're happy to announce that our
Speaker 4: recent thirtieth anniversary of the show, Live from the met
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia, will now be available to stream no matter
Speaker 4: where you live.
Speaker 1: Our biggest show yet in the hometown of the Matthews,
Speaker 1: featuring appearances by Trina, Angela McGhee, Matthew Lawrence aka Jack Hunter,
Speaker 1: Tony Mister Turner Quinn, and Danny Harley McNulty, who makes
Speaker 1: a very special surprise visit.
Speaker 3: It was so much fun and now you can experience
Speaker 3: it from the comfort of your own home.
Speaker 4: It will be available on December eleventh at five pm Pacific.
Speaker 4: You can learn more about how you can watch at
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Speaker 5: December eleventh, your birthday.
Speaker 4: That's the boy.
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Speaker 1: Now writer, what's the earliest time you've ever had a drink.
Speaker 4: In a day?
Speaker 5: Yeah, on a day, I'm probably noon.
Speaker 1: Okay, You've never there's never been like a camping day
Speaker 1: where you've woken up and been like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to have a little uh oh.
Speaker 4: You know when I went backpacking as a teenager, we
Speaker 4: would bring we brought whiskey, and and the older teenagers
Speaker 4: that we were backpacking with when you woke up on
Speaker 4: the second you we would be so sore, and they
Speaker 4: would be like, we're all going to take a sip
Speaker 4: of whiskey before we start backpacking.
Speaker 5: It helps make you less.
Speaker 4: No, I think it was just an excuse for teenager
Speaker 4: to drink. Of course, I just remember thinking like that's
Speaker 4: the I took a sip and then I was like
Speaker 4: I regretted it immediately because they're still to like like
Speaker 4: miles with all this weight on your back, how about
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when I used to go, I mean when
Speaker 1: I used to drink, and when I used to golf
Speaker 1: before I had children and lost all time to do
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Uh, you know, I would have beer
Speaker 1: on the golf course. So six am, oh gez six am.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we used to do.
Speaker 4: I've had I've had a boozy brunch before, which would
Speaker 4: probably be like eleven or whatever. You know, you have
Speaker 4: like a bloody mary. Yeah, like in New York that
Speaker 4: was like standard.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, just got Also, brunch in New
Speaker 1: York is a real loosey goosey term because I remember
Speaker 1: thinking like brunch eleven am and then being like, bb,
Speaker 1: so you have brunch at three pm.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, hey, huh huh, hold.
Speaker 4: On, that's just it's just all day, Yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It's just yeah, it's pretty much all day.
Speaker 1: Will you have a really good New York drunk story
Speaker 1: that I want to hear because we talked about it
Speaker 1: recently at the live show in New York, and we
Speaker 1: loved it so much we turned it into a T shirt.
Speaker 1: So you share it with all our dear listeners.
Speaker 3: To my ever everlasting shame, we did, yes, thank you
Speaker 3: very much. We Uh so, I drink, but not a
Speaker 3: huge amount, and I can kind of I can count basically,
Speaker 3: I can count basically on one hand the amount of
Speaker 3: times in my life I've been like drunk, drunk.
Speaker 5: Like really really like.
Speaker 3: Inebriated, drunk to the point of slurring speech. And it's
Speaker 3: that's that's not a normal thing for me. So you, Danielle,
Speaker 3: introduced my wife and I to two of your oldest
Speaker 3: friends in Yes.
Speaker 5: Two of my best friends, Julie and Christie live there, live.
Speaker 3: There, and you introduced Sue and I to them, and
Speaker 3: we instantly stole them and made them our best friends.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, you literally said that to me, and
Speaker 1: it's just no longer your friends.
Speaker 5: They are my best friend.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. We did.
Speaker 3: One of the things we did is we took a
Speaker 3: great picture at your house of the four of us
Speaker 3: and Sue and I one Christmas. We had it blown
Speaker 3: up to a full size blanket so it's like this
Speaker 3: jet and we sent it to them so we were
Speaker 3: like this, this is how you know that we're your
Speaker 3: best friends is because you have seven foot tall pictures
Speaker 3: of us that you can wrap yourself up.
Speaker 4: In a blanket. So we were I was going.
Speaker 3: To New York for I think it was a New
Speaker 3: York Comic con, and I was going without two and
Speaker 3: I got there a couple of days early, and of
Speaker 3: course I called Julian Christie was out of town, yep,
Speaker 3: And Julie was like, well, let's go out. And I
Speaker 3: was like, great night in New York. Somebody who lives there.
Speaker 3: You know, I hadn't been there, and I'd been there
Speaker 3: time to time, but I hadn't spend any significant amount
Speaker 3: of time there. And so we did what the kids
Speaker 3: call a bar crawl, which, yes, it turns out, is
Speaker 3: just going to a bunch of different places.
Speaker 1: To drink, right, And they call it a crawl because
Speaker 1: you get so drunk you're crawling.
Speaker 3: Apparently because I was not aware of this. We went
Speaker 3: to one bar first. We were having a blast. It
Speaker 3: was so much fun. This was after dinner, so you know,
Speaker 3: had some food in my stomach. We had a couple
Speaker 3: drinks at dinner, and then a couple drinks at this
Speaker 3: first bar, and by the third or fourth bar, I
Speaker 3: think we were playing darts.
Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, it.
Speaker 3: Just it's it's it's hazy at best.
Speaker 1: At that point, one of My favorite stories from that
Speaker 1: night is that you said to Julie, Oh, you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about how terrible you were at darts, and
Speaker 1: you said, watch this, I'm gonna throw this dart without
Speaker 1: even looking, and you looked right at her, and you
Speaker 1: threw a dart and you hit the bull side and
Speaker 1: the bullside.
Speaker 4: That's a classic Wilford elt.
Speaker 5: It seems like something.
Speaker 4: We will always says, be like, watch this, watch this,
Speaker 4: and he'll do something crazy and then not be able
Speaker 4: to replicate it ever again. But he'll do like that
Speaker 4: first shot, just the luckiest, most skillful for the first
Speaker 4: time off.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is it's literally something we would have shot
Speaker 1: for Eric Matthews on Boy Meets World, Like, it's for
Speaker 1: sure something we would have done.
Speaker 4: That's kind of the last memory I have of the evening.
Speaker 2: Okay, so cut too, so it's optical.
Speaker 3: Flip opt to morning in the hotel.
Speaker 2: I wake up, cover your shot, Hotel.
Speaker 3: New York, and there's we. We come across a middle
Speaker 3: aged Wilfredell holding his head up in blankets covered ketu
Speaker 3: in ketchup. I do not know how it's all down
Speaker 3: the front of my shirt, which is still the shirt
Speaker 3: I had on from the night before. I looked down
Speaker 3: at the foot of my bed and because you probably
Speaker 3: really enjoyed a good meal and you didn't even remember it,
Speaker 3: So what's the boy? It was a burger, like a
Speaker 3: tray of obviously, that's the thing is I must have
Speaker 3: talked to somebody, because it was.
Speaker 6: Delivered to my room right consation with somebody McDonald's. I'll
Speaker 6: take whatever else.
Speaker 5: That's the best part about knowing you so well.
Speaker 1: You were probably the nicest and funniest, most charming.
Speaker 4: Robably tipped that person his entire wall. He gave it
Speaker 4: was probably like you probably need one hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 4: just take it off, just take it all. Probably true,
Speaker 4: and you're right rider.
Speaker 2: I probably called down in order to whop her and
Speaker 2: they were like, sir, this is.
Speaker 5: This is a hotel.
Speaker 4: Doing that was them. Somebody give me a walney. So
Speaker 4: I was the boy. Did you know? My day's a president?
Speaker 4: Star is really good?
Speaker 3: So I am sitting there and I of course call
Speaker 3: Sue and I'm like, oh, babe, oh, I'm hurting from
Speaker 3: my head to toe. I can feel my pinky toes.
Speaker 3: Everything hurts. I'm nauseous, I'm covered in ketchup. We talked
Speaker 3: for about ten minutes and she's like, well, the pictures
Speaker 3: you sent were hysterical, and I'm like, what pictures are.
Speaker 4: You talking about?
Speaker 3: And she starts laughing much as Danielle's and it's like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding? Like no, she goes, go to your phone.
Speaker 5: Go look at the picture.
Speaker 4: I look at the pictures.
Speaker 3: So apparently I called an uber to take me from
Speaker 3: whatever bar I was at last, to take me to the.
Speaker 5: Hotel, as you're supposed to do, as you're.
Speaker 4: Supposed to do.
Speaker 3: And I guess I asked the driver to stop halfway
Speaker 3: because I saw the Empire State Building.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a big moment, and you were thinking of
Speaker 1: Sue and you were like, man, I wish Sue were
Speaker 1: here to see the Empire State.
Speaker 5: Building right, share it with her.
Speaker 4: So I took a sa stop.
Speaker 1: Stop, stop, And here is the glory is selfie selfie.
Speaker 4: I love that the picture itself is blurried, much like
Speaker 4: your vision.
Speaker 5: Everything vision blurry.
Speaker 1: The Empire State Building is okay, but here's the best part.
Speaker 5: So Will sees in his camera phone.
Speaker 1: He sees this picture and he goes, oh gosh, and
Speaker 1: he scrolls to the next picture and that is the
Speaker 1: one he decided was Bingo, that's the one to send
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 5: It look no good. I look now, First.
Speaker 4: Of all, I look like I'm hammered.
Speaker 3: And second of all, I look like I'm sixty.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at my eye I do.
Speaker 4: I look like I am a hundred years old.
Speaker 3: So we of course showed this at our live show
Speaker 3: in New York and.
Speaker 2: Produce Oh my Gosh, producer.
Speaker 3: Jensen Karr Posmand of this podcast kept just flashing it
Speaker 3: up on the screen behind us like the entire show.
Speaker 5: Oh my Gosh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of very funny people.
Speaker 1: No one's funnier than Will. But also no one has
Speaker 1: as many images in their camera phone that can make
Speaker 1: me cry laughing, Like I start crying, I'm laughing so
Speaker 1: hard from multiple photos in his phone. Those two he
Speaker 1: showed those to me. He told me this story on
Speaker 1: the plane ones and I kept saying, let me see
Speaker 1: it again. I need to see it again. And then
Speaker 1: he has pictures where he's super jolly, so.
Speaker 5: So happy, so happy.
Speaker 1: His upper lip completely has disappeared from his face.
Speaker 5: Like it got sucked up into his mouth.
Speaker 4: That's when I was heavier.
Speaker 3: I have pictures I keep in my phone of when
Speaker 3: I am thirty forty fifty pounds heavier. Whenever I don't
Speaker 3: want to run or I want to do something bad,
Speaker 3: I will look at these pictures and I look so
Speaker 3: happy in some of them because I am because I'm
Speaker 3: eating with you, or I want and I just don't care,
Speaker 3: and my shirts are hanging on for dear life, and
Speaker 3: I'm just so happy.
Speaker 2: But yes, we turn that.
Speaker 4: Turn those photos into a shirt.
Speaker 3: The thing that amazed me, though, have you been seeing
Speaker 3: all the people that are replicating the photo?
Speaker 1: So gosh, we have the best. We have the best
Speaker 1: fans in the entire world. We've talked about this so
Speaker 1: often off air, but my gosh, you guys are truly incredible.
Speaker 1: But the fans that come out to the live shows
Speaker 1: and then hear us talk about whatever new story we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, and then go out and in
Speaker 1: their real lives act to actually find the moments or
Speaker 1: recreate them. So that night of the New York Live Show,
Speaker 1: immediately after leaving our live show, people went and recreated
Speaker 1: that photo. Those photos of Will did themselves and then
Speaker 1: tag to sin them. They're absolutely amazing. We've been reposting
Speaker 1: them on the pod Mets World Instagram. But for anybody
Speaker 1: who has ever had a Wilfredell stop the uber, I
Speaker 1: need to take a picture in front of this Empire's
Speaker 1: Empire state Building drunk night. We have commemorated the moment
Speaker 1: in a T shirt and it's available.
Speaker 4: It's because they were screaming merged people started yelling they
Speaker 4: immediate the show and we were like, that's.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: It is available now at Podmets worldshow dot com. We
Speaker 1: also made a very special shirt for our Boston. Our
Speaker 1: Boston show, we had some fantastic crowd.
Speaker 4: Man that crowd. We were aggressive, awesome into it.
Speaker 7: Falcon that was our fault though. It was our fault, yes,
Speaker 7: go ahead right because we didn't get so the theater
Speaker 7: had three levels.
Speaker 4: It had a mezzanine and a balcony, but the balcony
Speaker 4: had a row of really hot lights on it, so
Speaker 4: when the show was started we couldn't see the We
Speaker 4: literally didn't know there was a balcony. We only thought
Speaker 4: there was a mezzanine and that that was the balcony
Speaker 4: everybody was referring.
Speaker 1: So we kept looking. We were like, we don't see
Speaker 1: During the costume contest.
Speaker 4: People kept saying, look at the balcony, but they were
Speaker 4: just showering balcony. We're like, we are, We're looking Until
Speaker 4: after the show. We didn't realize because then the two
Speaker 4: people who won the costume contest came down from the
Speaker 4: balcony basically because the audience forced us to bring them
Speaker 4: down to the stage, and they were amazing.
Speaker 2: It took them like a half hour to get down
Speaker 2: to That was the funniest.
Speaker 4: Part of this. They clearly won.
Speaker 5: They never broke character all night.
Speaker 1: Come on, they were in those characters from the moment
Speaker 1: they entered the theater until the time they left, which
Speaker 1: is how the entire balcony was even aware that they
Speaker 1: were there because they appear currently they.
Speaker 5: Literally never broke character.
Speaker 1: I just I'm telling you, you guys.
Speaker 5: Are the best fans in you You are the best.
Speaker 1: The best, and this community that we have created and
Speaker 1: the inside jokes that we share with you, and the
Speaker 1: way you guys get into them, and how funny you
Speaker 1: are and how smart you are. We are blown away
Speaker 1: by you every single day. So just I'll start crying,
Speaker 1: so let's not go too far.
Speaker 5: We we love you anyway. Welcome to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 5: I'm Daniel Fischl, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfredee.
Speaker 1: So so much has been said about Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: and the show's fascination with hair. At times, it felt
Speaker 1: like another star of the sitcom, from the signature middle
Speaker 1: part to the day I cut mine for the first
Speaker 1: time on camera. Some of the most memorable moments and
Speaker 1: images from the show are act actually just the top
Speaker 1: of our heads. And though my mom had a small
Speaker 1: moment in time during season one as the guardian of
Speaker 1: my nighttime braids, there was one person who was professionally
Speaker 1: put in charge of our precious, long flowing moneymakers as
Speaker 1: the key hairdresser, and that person was hairstylist Lori Heaps.
Speaker 1: Laurie joined the show for the upcoming season four and
Speaker 1: never looked back, so much so that to this day
Speaker 1: she still cuts all three of our hair and numerous
Speaker 1: other cast and crew members from Boy Meets World. Also,
Speaker 1: she returned for Girl Meets World, adding a whole new
Speaker 1: group of young thesbians to forever go to her when
Speaker 1: it's time for a cut or color. In addition to
Speaker 1: our little show, Laurie has also worked on Friends. According
Speaker 1: to Jim George Lopez rules of engagement, disjointed, the recent
Speaker 1: I Carly reboot, as well as my wedding and basically
Speaker 1: every professional photo you see of me. She's the lifeline
Speaker 1: for our locks and the reason I can't get a lob.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets World Hairstyle. Listen to the stars,
Speaker 1: Lori heaps.
Speaker 4: I should probably have done something with my hair before
Speaker 4: she got here. Maybe I shouldn't have worn a winter
Speaker 4: hat covering my hair the entire episode.
Speaker 5: Guys, you didn't think about this at all.
Speaker 4: Yikes, I'm cold, I'm lazy.
Speaker 5: Get a heater.
Speaker 8: There she is. I can't believe I'm doing this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you don't love being on camera.
Speaker 3: You look gorgeous, amazing, thank you, and I know you're nervous.
Speaker 2: So why don't we just open with the song and
Speaker 2: we'll go from there.
Speaker 5: So go ahead and do the song and dance we
Speaker 5: told you about you remember my biography, right? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, way to make her super uncomfortable. So I want
Speaker 1: to start, Lorie. How many times have I come to
Speaker 1: you and said, what if I just get a lob?
Speaker 1: What if I just do a lob? Could you explain
Speaker 1: to me and to all of our dear listeners, why
Speaker 1: you're saving me from getting a lob?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean probably a hundred times. Many times have
Speaker 8: you sent me a picture of like really really short hair?
Speaker 5: So many times like what if we just do this?
Speaker 1: And you always send me back a picture of me
Speaker 1: basically with what I have now, and you go, what
Speaker 1: if we do this.
Speaker 8: Now? But you know, the first transformation was a big, big,
Speaker 8: big big one when we really cut your hair.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a big one. And what did you
Speaker 1: going into that? Did you already know exactly what you
Speaker 1: wanted to do? And how involved was Michael in figuring
Speaker 1: out what Tapega's new hairstyle was going to be.
Speaker 8: Michael not at all. But he's really really nervous, but
Speaker 8: he didn't even He was just I trust you. Whatever
Speaker 8: you're going to do, that's great you and Danielle decide.
Speaker 8: He didn't have any say, Like when I first met
Speaker 8: you and your mom like at the salon or something, yeah,
Speaker 8: and I said we got to cut this hair off
Speaker 8: and the look of like shock of your mom and
Speaker 8: you were like what do you what? Like this is
Speaker 8: the hair you know? And I really wasn't sure if
Speaker 8: you guys even liked me because I said that, but
Speaker 8: I knew it's like you were ready for a change.
Speaker 8: For the hell, yeah, had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 8: It was like you and I basically there's of hair
Speaker 8: that was way shorter than I wanted to go. You
Speaker 8: were like chop it up to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably would have gone even shorter. But let's
Speaker 1: actually go back to the beginning. So how did you
Speaker 1: get the job on Boy Meets World? Tell us where
Speaker 1: you were and what happened that you ended up on
Speaker 1: our set.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I was a salon hairdresser in Beverly Hills. Michael
Speaker 8: and his wife Patty were my clients and we became friends,
Speaker 8: and he basically one day to said to me, I
Speaker 8: don't love the way the hair looks right now. Would
Speaker 8: you come and cut everybody's hair. You can't go on
Speaker 8: set because you're not a union hairdresser, And then maybe
Speaker 8: it'll look better if the person that's doing it is
Speaker 8: doing your you know, your haircut, it will fix everything.
Speaker 8: So they set up a stage and you guys came
Speaker 8: in one by one and I cut everybody's hair. And
Speaker 8: then Michael said, Ben's mom called and said, I don't
Speaker 8: want anybody else touching his hair, and then we went
Speaker 8: through all this red tape to pretty much get me
Speaker 8: on the show.
Speaker 1: And so then what was that process like, because then
Speaker 1: obviously you need to start like getting your hours in
Speaker 1: order to join the union.
Speaker 5: What was that process like for you?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got Michael put me on another show that
Speaker 8: he was doing, and I got almost all the hours
Speaker 8: that I needed to be legal to work on a set,
Speaker 8: and then that show got canceled. So then that's how
Speaker 8: I went over to Boy Meets World. And then you know,
Speaker 8: there were a lot of people that didn't want me
Speaker 8: to come to Boy et Squirrel because that meant somebody
Speaker 8: had to go, right, So they were, you know, all
Speaker 8: a big family over there, and everybody was sort of
Speaker 8: lying to Michael and saying we can't do this because
Speaker 8: of this rule and that rule. And then Annie Mescalcoal,
Speaker 8: the makeup artist, went to the union and found out
Speaker 8: the rules, and then we walked into Michael's office and said,
Speaker 8: here's how you do it, and he was He called
Speaker 8: Karen McCain and told her to get it done right
Speaker 8: in front of us, just screamed better, you know, in
Speaker 8: his way. And the next week I was working on
Speaker 8: the show. Wow.
Speaker 1: So, in your opinion, how does hairstyling for the entertainment
Speaker 1: industry differ from working in a salon? Like, what are
Speaker 1: some of the key differences between being on a set
Speaker 1: and being a hairdresser in a salon?
Speaker 8: This is completely different, not in the way of what
Speaker 8: you're going to do, because the styles are you know,
Speaker 8: you cut, the hair, you coulor the hair you do whatever,
Speaker 8: you're going to do the same way. It's just for TV.
Speaker 8: You have to make sure it stays in place or
Speaker 8: make sure that it's not creating a shadow right like that,
Speaker 8: there's no flyaway. So that's that's the only difference. Really,
Speaker 8: it's not that much different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 8: Good at it because I had that salon experience, So
Speaker 8: I just I knew how to do hair and cut
Speaker 8: hair and so that part was pretty much easy for me.
Speaker 8: And then you know, things like wigs and stuff like that,
Speaker 8: like I had to learn. I had no idea how
Speaker 8: to put a wig on or how to style a wig.
Speaker 1: Were you the one who who styled my wig for
Speaker 1: the fifties episode?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 5: So you were you were in season.
Speaker 4: Five because I remember Laurie doing my and.
Speaker 5: So you did cool slick backed hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that hair, hotty hot Hotterson, Ryder
Speaker 1: over there, I was.
Speaker 8: In your fifties thing that was so cute.
Speaker 2: How much imput did we have in our hair? Were
Speaker 2: we allowed to cut?
Speaker 3: Because I remember there was times I was like I
Speaker 3: want to do this, You'd be like no.
Speaker 4: So it was, you know, just wondering.
Speaker 2: I mean could because again, we were anything we.
Speaker 4: Wanted to do. We've talked about this.
Speaker 3: If I wanted to get a tattoo or we wanted
Speaker 3: to cut our hair, we want you know, it had
Speaker 3: to go up the chain. So how much were we
Speaker 3: not even responsible? But how much input did we have
Speaker 3: and how we were allowed to look on the show.
Speaker 4: I'm curious.
Speaker 8: I mean, you guys like really didn't nobody cared like
Speaker 8: you guys were like, oh, I'd loved it. Like Ryder
Speaker 8: at one point was like I got to get rid
Speaker 8: of this hair. I want to cut this hair off.
Speaker 8: But you Roder was really the only one. Everybody else
Speaker 8: was like, what are we doing? Okay? Great, Like nobody
Speaker 8: really really had any I did. You guys trusted me
Speaker 8: and whatever I said, let's get a little shorter or
Speaker 8: let's leave it a little longer on top or whatever
Speaker 8: I said. You guys would say, okay, great, like you
Speaker 8: didn't look in the mirror. I'd say, how do you feel?
Speaker 8: Is that like good? And you'd be like great, you
Speaker 8: didn't even care, like you were not.
Speaker 5: No, still that way, Yeah, we're still that way.
Speaker 4: We're like, just do it, Just do whatever you gotta do,
Speaker 4: Just do it.
Speaker 8: I think the only one that was like really really
Speaker 8: fussy about his hair and not in a bad way,
Speaker 8: was then, Yeah, it's really like really looked and really
Speaker 8: looked at every detail, and he wanted to know that
Speaker 8: I was there on set watching him. You know, if
Speaker 8: I didn't go in for a take, sometimes you can
Speaker 8: come out and go with my hair, okay. You know,
Speaker 8: he was the only one that was I was worried
Speaker 8: about his hair. You guys were not like it didn't
Speaker 8: it wasn't something that you cared about. You just trusted me.
Speaker 8: It was so easy. You guys were so much like
Speaker 8: you are today, and it's just like so fun and
Speaker 8: so easy, and so we were just so connected. Immediately.
Speaker 8: I was just sort of you know, it was my
Speaker 8: first TV show really and it was just like you
Speaker 8: want even like celebrities. To me, it was just like
Speaker 8: you were automatically my friends, just like everyone was so
Speaker 8: fun and so nice. It was so easy. It was
Speaker 8: really I guess I was just surprised at what I
Speaker 8: just talked about and how much you were trusting of
Speaker 8: me immediately from day one, the day I met you,
Speaker 8: that I cut everybody's hair.
Speaker 3: I remember, you know what I remember is I remember
Speaker 3: that as the show was progressing, the makeup and hair
Speaker 3: room became a place where we would gather.
Speaker 4: Some people outside of the industry realized how much makeup
Speaker 4: and hair is the site because it's where everybody's getting
Speaker 4: together right before the show.
Speaker 3: It's there we do all through the line through, line
Speaker 3: through is all that kind of stuff was all in.
Speaker 4: Them every set. Yeah, but especially on a sitcom sept
Speaker 4: because that energy, that pre show energy all gathers in
Speaker 4: that space. Well.
Speaker 1: Also, hairdressers and the makeup artists end up taking on
Speaker 1: kind of the role of what you think of as
Speaker 1: like the bartender, where they become the.
Speaker 2: People therapist, yesists.
Speaker 1: Where like you tell that they know all your secrets,
Speaker 1: who we had crushes on, who we were talking to,
Speaker 1: things that were going on in our lives.
Speaker 5: The gossip is.
Speaker 1: Going on in there, so like it is, it is
Speaker 1: a hip happen in place.
Speaker 4: Why do you think Laurie is so nervous about being
Speaker 4: on this show?
Speaker 5: I can't say anything.
Speaker 3: She knows all, she knows.
Speaker 5: Where the bodies are buried.
Speaker 8: It's like the first time Will fell love and and
Speaker 8: and Rider with his breakups and girlfriends and yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Not even don't even go there, Laurie.
Speaker 1: Will you explain what kind of your job was on Like,
Speaker 1: let's go through a typical tape day.
Speaker 5: What your job was and did you do everyone's hair?
Speaker 8: I did a lot. I did all of you and
Speaker 8: that okay, right, So that's so typical on a TV
Speaker 8: show because that's too many people to do and keep
Speaker 8: track of. Michael wanted. So I did you guys and Ben,
Speaker 8: and then I had two other people that did the
Speaker 8: rest of the cast.
Speaker 1: Right, So then you had supporting hairdressers who worked who
Speaker 1: worked under you, and they did other people.
Speaker 8: Right, They did the rest of the people, They did
Speaker 8: the guest stars, Trina Maitland, all those people, right, and
Speaker 8: just you know, come into work and then they start
Speaker 8: bringing you guys in one by one, and then you
Speaker 8: know kind of get everybody ready, and then we'd start
Speaker 8: taping on our on our pre tape day, and then
Speaker 8: there was a show night and show night. I remember
Speaker 8: when I first got there, so I had done that
Speaker 8: one other show, no experience with TV at all, and
Speaker 8: they were like, okay, let's go, let's come out for
Speaker 8: cast intros. And it was the girls and the audience.
Speaker 8: It was so the screaming for Will and Writerer was
Speaker 8: I couldn't. I hadn't leave the stage. It was like
Speaker 8: fels were there.
Speaker 1: It was writer remembers, Oh yeah, right, you remember to
Speaker 1: this day.
Speaker 3: I remember when the show progressed, they were I was up,
Speaker 3: so I had the long hair.
Speaker 4: And then when we did.
Speaker 3: The The Weatherman episode, they called me aside and said
Speaker 3: that a network note had come down that I had
Speaker 3: to cut my hair.
Speaker 4: And I was really bummed that I had to cut
Speaker 4: all my hair off.
Speaker 3: That was the week Jeff McCracken ended up cutting his
Speaker 3: own hair off with scissors to make me feel better.
Speaker 2: And it's such a McCracken thing.
Speaker 3: But then I grew it out again, and I remember
Speaker 3: when you then took over for my long hair.
Speaker 2: It took for forever, like you blew out.
Speaker 3: My hair into you know, individual strands, and I was
Speaker 3: in the chair for like forty five minutes to paina.
Speaker 8: I wasn't the only one with amazing hair like you
Speaker 8: had this amazing bit perfect, luxurious hair. But it did
Speaker 8: take me a long time that blow dry it and
Speaker 8: get it straight well.
Speaker 4: And then we started straightening my hair. Remember we started
Speaker 4: using chemical straightener, did we? I forgot about it, Yes,
Speaker 4: because every week because my hair now it's actually a
Speaker 4: little straighter than it was back back then my hair
Speaker 4: was so wavy yea, that every week you would have
Speaker 4: to h flat iron it or blow dry it straight.
Speaker 8: Day the minute you like jumped around and got sweat exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so we so I think around like season six,
Speaker 4: you guys started you started chemically straightening my hair.
Speaker 8: That work. I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we did it. We did it every couple
Speaker 4: of months, Laurie.
Speaker 1: Do you remember any styles or ideas you had that
Speaker 1: were rejected?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 8: No, they never rejected anything. I just kind of did
Speaker 8: stuff And I never remember getting any kind of note
Speaker 8: or saying you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Because I do remember you had carte blanche and you
Speaker 1: would try stuff. You'd say, let's do this, and then
Speaker 1: we'd get out there on cameras sometimes and you go,
Speaker 1: I don't like it, I'm changing it, I'm taking it down,
Speaker 1: or I'm pulling this out. Like you had freedom to
Speaker 1: try things, and then you were usually the person who
Speaker 1: would say that's that's not for me.
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Let's take that out, not somebody else, or usually it's
Speaker 1: somebody else looking at a monitor going what is that.
Speaker 5: I don't like that, Let's let's fix that.
Speaker 1: So that's really nice that you know, Michael trusted you
Speaker 1: so much that he brought you on and just said,
Speaker 1: please work your magic and let you do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah. He It was great working with him because he
Speaker 8: would he did trust me, and he would come to
Speaker 8: me if he had like anything, like he thought, is
Speaker 8: that to you much? I would say no, no, it's.
Speaker 9: Fine, he would.
Speaker 8: The only time that but it heads with him was
Speaker 8: on Girl Meets World, where he wanted their hair to
Speaker 8: be bigger, bigger all the time, like right, make it fuller,
Speaker 8: and I would fight him on that. But other than that,
Speaker 8: it was just like no, it was whatever, whatever, whatever
Speaker 8: he wanted to do, would just and you guys went
Speaker 8: along with anything. I said too, it was just so easy.
Speaker 1: Well, in your intro, I named some of the shows
Speaker 1: that you've worked for previously, and one of those shows
Speaker 1: was Friends.
Speaker 5: What was it like working on that show? And how
Speaker 5: many episodes did you do?
Speaker 8: I think I did like five or six episodes. The
Speaker 8: guy I was working with on Mad About You was
Speaker 8: doing Friends, and he brought me in to do like
Speaker 8: some guest stars. And then it was sort of like
Speaker 8: gearing up for the Monica Chandler wedding, and so I
Speaker 8: was doing Morgan Fairchild and Elliott Gould, you know, the
Speaker 8: parents of Chandler. Cool sure, and then they they loved
Speaker 8: me and they asked, can she come? We want you
Speaker 8: to come back, and we want you to do our hair.
Speaker 8: So he brought me back for all the pre wedding
Speaker 8: and wedding episodes and stuff. It was really, really fun.
Speaker 8: It was a sort of similar to Binet's world, where
Speaker 8: everybody was friends and it was just a big party.
Speaker 8: I remember on the very first day that I was
Speaker 8: working there, they put me in my own little, small
Speaker 8: hair room and then there was a big hair room
Speaker 8: where the rest of the cast went. And Jonathan said
Speaker 8: to me, he was the guy that I worked with.
Speaker 8: Can you go get me some lunch and get yourself
Speaker 8: some lunch and then come back in the big hair
Speaker 8: room and we're going to eat lunch in there. So
Speaker 8: I had all these, you know, my lunch and his
Speaker 8: lunch in my hand. I'm struggling. I opened the door
Speaker 8: and I get in there and the entire cast is
Speaker 8: in there eating there lunch. And I thought, did I
Speaker 8: walk into the wrong.
Speaker 5: Room And You're like, oh sorry.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I'm so sorry, and they were like, no,
Speaker 8: get in here, and I was like, well, jovans had
Speaker 8: to come in here together, come and eat lunch with us,
Speaker 8: Come and sit down. And I was like no, no, no,
Speaker 8: I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. I put this down
Speaker 8: here and I was trying to leave, and like Courtney
Speaker 8: got up out of her chair and was like, you
Speaker 8: sit down and have lunch with us right now. Like
Speaker 8: they were so nice and so I didn't even know
Speaker 8: who I was, Like that was the first time I
Speaker 8: even met them. So it was a good experience. It
Speaker 8: was really fun, all right.
Speaker 2: So I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: You don't need to say any names, you don't need
Speaker 3: to say what show.
Speaker 4: You don't need to say anything like that.
Speaker 3: But what's the strangest like hair request you've ever gotten
Speaker 3: from somebody?
Speaker 4: Was it me braiding my hair? You actually did it
Speaker 4: in I went into Beverly Hills, into your salon, and
Speaker 4: you braided my hair there. Do you remember that I
Speaker 4: did it? I don't know if you did it, but
Speaker 4: you courted, you had somebody in the salon do it
Speaker 4: for me. I remember going like retrospect was like I
Speaker 4: went all the way you wanted your hair like that?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, every summer I would want in my hair. But
Speaker 4: the first time I did it, I had told I
Speaker 4: explained it to you, and you were like, okay, good.
Speaker 4: I just love that you were amenable to like make
Speaker 4: that happen, Like you brought me into the salon and
Speaker 4: I had it all summer that it was so cute.
Speaker 8: I forgot about that. I got so many things I could.
Speaker 8: I'm forgetting about the strangest thing that happened to me
Speaker 8: like this was I was I'm mad about you. And
Speaker 8: Bruce Willis was a guest and he came in the
Speaker 8: room all the hair and makeup people were, and he said,
Speaker 8: who wants to cut my hair? And nobody answered, And
Speaker 8: so I went I'll do it. And so I took
Speaker 8: him in to do a haircut, and he kept saying
Speaker 8: shorter on the side, shorter on the sides, and I
Speaker 8: was going as short as I possibly could go, like
Speaker 8: the hair could not get any shorter, and he went, no, no, shorter,
Speaker 8: and he grabbed the clippers off of the station and
Speaker 8: went just like this, and he just shaved oh in
Speaker 8: the side of his head like a giant lying bald
Speaker 8: inside on the side of his head. And you know,
Speaker 8: I wasn't like upset because he did it. So I
Speaker 8: was like, Okay, do you want me to match the
Speaker 8: other side or do you want makeup to come in
Speaker 8: here and put some makeup on that? What do you
Speaker 8: want to do now? So the producers had to come
Speaker 8: in and we were doing like a die hard kind
Speaker 8: of thing where he was bloodied up in bandaged, so
Speaker 8: they bandaged up his head and covered up.
Speaker 1: He's, my gosh, I.
Speaker 2: Love it shaving your own head.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Are there any products or tools that you swear by,
Speaker 1: Like what's in your must have kit?
Speaker 8: My Dyson hair dryer the best?
Speaker 3: Got one for Sue after you told me too, You're like,
Speaker 3: you've got to get her one of these.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I love the Dyson hair dryer, and I love
Speaker 8: the Dyson the ones who are like at home that
Speaker 8: you can use because air wrap the air rap.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there any advice that you or something you've learned
Speaker 1: throughout your career that you would share with aspiring hairstylists
Speaker 1: who are looking to get into the entertainment industry, because
Speaker 1: worth noting, this is a field AI can't really take over.
Speaker 1: So any advice you'd share with aspiring hairdressers, you know,
Speaker 1: I always.
Speaker 8: Tell people that asked me that, just to learn your
Speaker 8: craft and assist to somebody. That's how I started. I
Speaker 8: worked my way up assisting and just assisting and watching
Speaker 8: people and learning and working for people that you respect
Speaker 8: and just learning from them is the best way to
Speaker 8: do it.
Speaker 1: Such good advice, So really quickly, I want to touch
Speaker 1: on Girl Meets World, a show you you were also
Speaker 1: the key hairdresser on. What was it like returning to
Speaker 1: the show twenty years later and seeing a whole new
Speaker 1: crop of little ones going through the same things we
Speaker 1: went through in exactly and almost exactly the same setting.
Speaker 8: It was so much fun, and you guys were there
Speaker 8: to like guide them, but it was just so fun.
Speaker 8: And they were also like, you guys, they just let
Speaker 8: me do whatever they whatever I wanted. Yeah, that was
Speaker 8: the show where Michael did have like more to say.
Speaker 8: You know, I had excite a little bit for what
Speaker 8: I thought it should be. Like.
Speaker 1: He loved the big still like the Topanga big curls
Speaker 1: or the Carrie Russell big curls, and modern hair just
Speaker 1: isn't isn't like that, And so Laurie was constantly trying
Speaker 1: to keep the show modern and fresh, and the girls
Speaker 1: were very much on Laurie's page. So Laurie and the
Speaker 1: girls were always like, can we settle this down? Although
Speaker 1: Sabrina likes a big hair, Sabrina likes a Sabrina likes
Speaker 1: big hair.
Speaker 8: I just wanted to, you know, to do her job
Speaker 8: and please everybody. So if she knew Michael wanted big hair,
Speaker 8: she was she would say, she asked like she would
Speaker 8: want whatever whatever he wanted. You know, she didn't, she didn't.
Speaker 8: She just wanted to, you know, make sure she's so professional,
Speaker 8: just like, is everything the way everybody wants it?
Speaker 5: Am I doing?
Speaker 8: That's right? Is my hair big enough? You know? And
Speaker 8: then we did a Halloween episode where I did crazy
Speaker 8: big hair on both of the girls with circus costumes.
Speaker 8: Do you remember that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What were their costumes?
Speaker 5: They were? Wasn't it steampunk?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: That's right? And their hair was really cute but really big.
Speaker 8: I wish I had a picture of that. And Michael
Speaker 8: came up to me at craft service and was like,
Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you something. Where their hair is today?
Speaker 8: I want That's how I wanted to look.
Speaker 2: The Halloween episode of course, Oh my god, I love
Speaker 2: it well.
Speaker 4: I wish we had done that with me with the
Speaker 4: nineteen fifties hair. I should have just kept that for.
Speaker 2: So Daniels would not have let you get away with
Speaker 2: not dating.
Speaker 4: I was like, dance and slip back hair manses telling
Speaker 4: me crazy.
Speaker 5: So we are.
Speaker 1: We want to play a little picture game with you.
Speaker 1: We pulled some pictures, so let's start. We're also going
Speaker 1: to put all these pictures on Instagram so our dear
Speaker 1: listener get to see them as well and know exactly
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Let's start with maybe the most
Speaker 1: memorable memorable day regarding hair on set. This is from
Speaker 1: Hair Today Goon Tomorrow, where I cut my hair. What
Speaker 1: do you remember about this day?
Speaker 8: You know, everybody was so nervous. Yeah, day, it was
Speaker 8: so tense. You and I were not nervous.
Speaker 5: I know, we're the.
Speaker 8: Only ones that were not nervous. We were just like, everybody,
Speaker 8: calm down, It's just going to be fine.
Speaker 5: It's going to be fine.
Speaker 8: Who was pacing and pacing and pacing and coming up
Speaker 8: to me, It's gonna be okay, Right, It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 8: I think I punched him at one point. I can't,
Speaker 8: You've got to stop doing this to me because I
Speaker 8: didn't want to get nervous, Like in my head, I
Speaker 8: was just like fearless, like this is going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you were getting a crew cut? You
Speaker 2: cat like four inches off.
Speaker 5: Nerve four inches. It was a full I think it
Speaker 5: was a full foot.
Speaker 2: Was it a foot?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was definitely a full foot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was at least twelve inches, if not fourteen inches
Speaker 1: that we cut off. But yes, I remember there being
Speaker 1: a lot of stress, and Jeff McCracken was very stressed
Speaker 1: because Michael was very stressed, and so Michael was putting
Speaker 1: the pressure on Jeff McCracken. And we had you know,
Speaker 1: we only had one opportunity to get the actual cut
Speaker 1: across the hair right. And then my favorite thing is
Speaker 1: that Laurie had to do. So I took that one
Speaker 1: chop at my hair that you see on the show,
Speaker 1: and then after that, when I walk up to the
Speaker 1: hallway like mirror, you know, in the locker, my hair
Speaker 1: had to be yeah, and my hair had to be
Speaker 1: different layers, so Laurie had to go in and then
Speaker 1: cut it multiple ways where it's like, you know, super choppy.
Speaker 1: And then that was on a Wednesday, and I went
Speaker 1: home that night with that super choppy hair because the
Speaker 1: next day, Thursday, we had more stuff we needed to
Speaker 1: pre tape before the actual haircut, so I had I
Speaker 1: remember going to Steiner with my parents after the episode
Speaker 1: ended with super choppy hair, and that was really fun.
Speaker 1: And then I knew the next day, here it comes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this amazing haircut. So yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you remember about coming up with this long layer's style, Laurie, I.
Speaker 8: Just knew that that's what I wanted to do. Your
Speaker 8: character was growing up and she wasn't a little girl anymore,
Speaker 8: and I just I knew it. I just I just
Speaker 8: wanted to do it, like from like five days after
Speaker 8: I met you.
Speaker 5: So much fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, here is a picture of Will with a sportsball
Speaker 1: and yeah, this is basically kind of what he looks
Speaker 1: like where we are right now in our show recap,
Speaker 1: like middle to end of season three.
Speaker 5: What is you like?
Speaker 1: What is how did you decide on this look? And
Speaker 1: what's your favorite Wilfredell haircut?
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 1: You can talk about just the specific like what you
Speaker 1: would call this this style if you want know what
Speaker 1: I would call it.
Speaker 8: I just remember when I met Well, there was a
Speaker 8: lot of like there was it was really heavy on top.
Speaker 8: I sort of had to like take a lot of
Speaker 8: weight out and kind of thin it out so that
Speaker 8: it opened up his face. It wasn't like hanging like,
Speaker 8: you know, like covering his face for that look. I
Speaker 8: love the long hair, the longer hair too on Will,
Speaker 8: Like he isn't the picture that you're going to show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another picture the next one. Let's go to
Speaker 1: number three.
Speaker 5: Will Ooh, look at that smolder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the smolder.
Speaker 8: Love that look too for Will.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked I.
Speaker 3: Like having the long hair. But again we've talked about this, Laura.
Speaker 3: For it to look like that, you have to live
Speaker 3: with me because I can't ever get it to look
Speaker 3: like that by myself.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't.
Speaker 8: I likes in there, didn't We We did?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did highlights him. We got a little blonde there,
Speaker 4: which is nice.
Speaker 5: A little blonde action, little little bay watch going on.
Speaker 3: There is a little bay watch going on there. If
Speaker 3: we're going to run down the beach, go save somebody.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and yeah, you're right. Your hair also has
Speaker 1: a little bit of what Riders does where it gets
Speaker 1: kind of curly over here on the sides, and so
Speaker 1: it really does. When your hair is long, it looks
Speaker 1: best when you blow dry your hair with.
Speaker 5: A round brush. Yeah, will Fredell.
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned, will Fredell is not
Speaker 1: going to spend the time by himself blow drying his
Speaker 1: hair with a round brush.
Speaker 5: It's easier.
Speaker 4: He would never get wings. I would get wings.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I got them in the back at the
Speaker 2: bottom where I am.
Speaker 4: It looks good.
Speaker 3: But we would joke that it was the Carol Brady.
Speaker 3: So I would always go, oh, Mike every time that
Speaker 3: my hair did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Rider, let's move on first with this.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, this uh.
Speaker 8: Shocked a nice would me see that curl on the front,
Speaker 8: Like I didn't want that there. It would just curl
Speaker 8: up and it looks like a wave. I would fight,
Speaker 8: even though I think it looks right right now. Back then,
Speaker 8: I remember thinking I wanted it straighter. You know, that
Speaker 8: was like the nineties kind of look, and I wanted
Speaker 8: it to be straighter there. But it looks amazing.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so gorgeous. But yeah, I do remember
Speaker 1: that would be a thing. You'd run out and like
Speaker 1: put some product on your hair and try to brush
Speaker 1: it so that it wouldn't do that wave this way.
Speaker 1: It would go back this way, like back away from
Speaker 1: his face instead of toward his face.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: By the time you were on the show, I had
Speaker 4: finally stopped touching. And when we watched the first two seasons,
Speaker 4: especially the first season, I am constantly it's like such
Speaker 4: a nervous habit.
Speaker 5: Handswer the hair, answer the hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 8: Yeah. You know you guys like you were kids, you know,
Speaker 8: and so you know, writer, you were always just like
Speaker 8: in between takes, you and Ben would be like goofing
Speaker 8: off and dancing and jumping around and you know, throwing
Speaker 8: each other on the couch and I would just be
Speaker 8: standing there going, oh my god, stopping it again.
Speaker 1: Did you think it was crazy, LORI, when kids all
Speaker 1: over the US were getting this like butt cut haircut.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, I guess I just wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 8: until later that I realized that trends were set with
Speaker 8: their haircuts. You know, I do think about it at
Speaker 8: the time, But people like in the audience, if they
Speaker 8: knew we all got a haircut, there would be people
Speaker 8: hanging down from the audience asking me to buy Could
Speaker 8: I get some hair from the floor?
Speaker 5: Oh no, that's right, I just remembered.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Do you remember putting pieces of my
Speaker 1: hair in a baggy from the haircut and we gave
Speaker 1: them to people in the audience.
Speaker 8: No, we did.
Speaker 5: We did.
Speaker 4: Wow, somebody's cloning you right now.
Speaker 5: Somebody's got chunks of my hair and a ziplock baggy.
Speaker 4: Oh that's not creepy at all. Yeah, that sounds creepy.
Speaker 5: So then let's go to another picture of rider. We've
Speaker 5: got short hair, good tea.
Speaker 4: Right near the end. What do you remember tea and
Speaker 4: the ear? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you remember about doing this short haircut
Speaker 1: on him?
Speaker 8: That was one that scared me because I just wasn't sure,
Speaker 8: do you know what I mean? Like with you, it's
Speaker 8: just like a cut it off. It's gonna work way.
Speaker 8: But with that cutting that, I was like, I just
Speaker 8: I'm not sure. But I loved it, and you loved
Speaker 8: it too, right.
Speaker 4: Writer, Oh my god. Yeah. I fought for it for
Speaker 4: so long and we finally got it. I remember just
Speaker 4: being like, yes.
Speaker 8: Good and then I just just it just did whatever
Speaker 8: we wanted it to do, and we didn't have to
Speaker 8: worry about just straight and keeping it out of your face.
Speaker 8: I love how that looks.
Speaker 1: I also love how much it looks like the guy
Speaker 1: in the background is just smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 3: I say, it's all I've been looking at, is that
Speaker 3: guy back there smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 1: Again, we will put these pictures up on Instagram so
Speaker 1: you guys get a chance to see what we see.
Speaker 1: Let's go to another Topanga picture, this one. I've got
Speaker 1: a clip in the front holding back some of my layers.
Speaker 1: I don't remember doing a lot of accessorizing, do you, Laurie, Do.
Speaker 5: You remember using a lot of accessories in my hair?
Speaker 8: No, we didn't do it a lot. You want to
Speaker 8: know why? Yeah, so much hair I find accessories that
Speaker 8: would would stay in your hair because you had too
Speaker 8: much hair, they were too small. So now that clips
Speaker 8: in particular, like I could shit that. That looks so good.
Speaker 8: I would do that on your hair today.
Speaker 5: I know it's so cute.
Speaker 1: Why do we not? Why have we not done this recently? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saving this as inspo. And then another memorable hair
Speaker 1: day from Tapanga's Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 5: Episode that looks great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that cute? I love that look. I love
Speaker 1: a little uh.
Speaker 8: Get that a lot, a little messy different ways, but yeah,
Speaker 8: you always love that. And you love those little pieces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, love some pieces, love some dangling pieces, love a
Speaker 1: little poof.
Speaker 8: You loved it. It was so cute. I remember we
Speaker 8: did that one a lot.
Speaker 2: Is that fluffy? Is that technically flufy?
Speaker 5: That's pretty fluffy volume.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just checking.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that we get this definition
Speaker 3: of fluffy down more for.
Speaker 1: When you don't have an accessory in your hair, but
Speaker 1: your hair is still poop poofy and fluffy.
Speaker 5: It's that's really what flufy is. It's okay, fluffy.
Speaker 4: Poof but minus accessories.
Speaker 1: But no accessories, because this is this is poofy partially
Speaker 1: based on accessories. We've got it, You've got that little
Speaker 1: top part pulls into a high pony forced poof Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a touch. Yeah, you still see
Speaker 1: what you see what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Speaker 1: And then maybe the best work of Laurie's career. Here
Speaker 1: are Ben and Ryder as Cora and Veronica was boy Ski.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about these wigs, Laurie? And why
Speaker 1: is Rider such a good looking woman?
Speaker 8: Okay, this was probably the only day of my whole
Speaker 8: experience on boy Mes World that there were twelve people
Speaker 8: in the room saying no, no, no, no no, and
Speaker 8: then they loved it right away. And I still love
Speaker 8: that wig. I think it looks great. But of course
Speaker 8: I didn't know how to do wis and so I
Speaker 8: was faking it and trying to like make writer or
Speaker 8: look like a girl, and it came out. Okay, but
Speaker 8: that looks gorgeous. That was tough. I have a picture.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Can I show a picture of me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: That's it is doing that. But this is my memory
Speaker 8: of that day.
Speaker 4: So stressed out, everybody.
Speaker 8: On set kept coming up to me and saying Writer
Speaker 8: looks like you as a girl. And I would look
Speaker 8: at Writer and be like, oh I do.
Speaker 9: Everybody would.
Speaker 8: But if you look at that kind of yes, how it.
Speaker 5: Does it kind of does? You had banks.
Speaker 8: Ecue meday because everybody was coming up to me and
Speaker 8: saying that, and it was just.
Speaker 5: That is so funny.
Speaker 4: That was that was a lot of pressure. I mean
Speaker 4: that that I mean you think about what they wrote
Speaker 4: into the script was already it was written into the
Speaker 4: script that Ben makes a not attractive girl. So then
Speaker 4: they do me and I'm it's in the script that
Speaker 4: I am convincing and beautiful and all these jokes about it,
Speaker 4: and all that meant was that pressure on you and
Speaker 4: Annie to make it good like and I remember it
Speaker 4: was like okay, let's do this, and like Annie did
Speaker 4: all these like tape to like pull my face back
Speaker 4: and like you guys spend hours. It was a lot
Speaker 4: of work.
Speaker 8: It's a lot of work. I remember, like Susan in
Speaker 8: the room going what make it? You know, change it?
Speaker 8: Everybody was giving me notes. But I also remember, like writer,
Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember, like you had a
Speaker 8: hard time with it. I remember you were like you
Speaker 8: guys didn't get nervous before things. You were really nervous.
Speaker 8: And also you couldn't like, you couldn't walk like a girl.
Speaker 8: They had to change the shoes because you were having trouble.
Speaker 4: No, but I do remember it was not It was
Speaker 4: a confusing week and retro respect, I should have been
Speaker 4: more chill about it. But I think on one hand,
Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to do the role because
Speaker 4: I thought it was a cool acting challenge, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I got I'm going to be playing a woman or
Speaker 4: playing a man pretending to be a woman who's good
Speaker 4: at being a woman. And I remember thinking that was cool,
Speaker 4: But then so many people kept being like, you're so
Speaker 4: attractive as a girl. I can't believe it, And it
Speaker 4: was like over and over again to a point where
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, that's the point, like we have an
Speaker 4: entire makeup and hair and wardrobe department whose job has
Speaker 4: been to make me attractive, and yes it worked, And
Speaker 4: I remember starting to feel like, is this a bad thing?
Speaker 4: Like it reflected on me in some way that was
Speaker 4: negative at the time. Now I would just be like,
Speaker 4: come on, that's so cool. But at the age of sixteen, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it threatened me in some way, or I
Speaker 4: don't know, it made me feel like maybe there's something
Speaker 4: feminine about me that, which is so stupid, but I
Speaker 4: was insecure. I remember feeling weird about it, which is
Speaker 4: a bummer.
Speaker 5: That is weird because yeah, the fact that it was.
Speaker 1: If anything, I was thinking that the reason you would
Speaker 1: have felt frustrated by that week was because you're not
Speaker 1: the type to enjoy hours of getting yourself to an
Speaker 1: aesthetic place where everyone's complimenting you. You'd rather look natural
Speaker 1: and rugged, and so if anything, I thought it was
Speaker 1: more like, my gosh, all this emphasis and it's it's
Speaker 1: annoying me. But it was actually that they did such
Speaker 1: a good job making you look convincingly femininely beautiful that
Speaker 1: it you felt a little offended.
Speaker 3: Almost well it's yeah, nice too, But it was because yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think it was also the implication that there
Speaker 4: was something like, I don't know, because you're less of a.
Speaker 3: Man because you could pull off being a good looking woman, which,
Speaker 3: of course, in retrospect is ridiculous, but you're when you're
Speaker 3: a teenager.
Speaker 4: It's the nineties. That was what it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's some of the worst insults you could
Speaker 3: tell your guy friends were, you know, saying you were
Speaker 3: a woman or how you're feminine.
Speaker 4: It was totally so that was ex implication. So it's
Speaker 4: just the implication was that I was pretty right, you know,
Speaker 4: and like and even if I was still a boy,
Speaker 4: I was a pretty boy and which I didn't want
Speaker 4: to be. And it was like that was just like
Speaker 4: a thing I didn't Yeah, which is like I said
Speaker 4: in retrospect, just have fun with it, to go with it,
Speaker 4: you know. But I was too insecure at that age
Speaker 4: in that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, lastly, we pulled a Girl Meets World picture
Speaker 1: just to talk about some of the looks you brought
Speaker 1: to that show.
Speaker 5: Let's see that picture. Oh, this is a writer directed
Speaker 5: this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Rodeo episode. We're doing this long lens outside.
Speaker 4: The girls were like, yeah, twenty feet away from the
Speaker 4: cameras at this point to get this shot.
Speaker 5: But yeah, do you remember this week Lorii?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just I remember being on location there. Their
Speaker 8: hair looks really good.
Speaker 5: It's like it looks gorgeous.
Speaker 8: Michael not there that day, and I got to.
Speaker 4: Do Michael took a back seat that entire day because
Speaker 4: it was so stressful.
Speaker 5: Man, I love that hair for both of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks great.
Speaker 8: Rowan's wearing ponytails. And later on maybe they had hats on.
Speaker 8: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say there must have been. Maybe
Speaker 1: there was a reason you got to do tone down
Speaker 1: hair because later they have cowboy hats on or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's right.
Speaker 8: Maybe the cat the hats came up, and so we
Speaker 8: got to just do the hair like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks really great, my gird everything, what all.
Speaker 8: I'm so flattered by it, you know. Sabrina is just Yeah.
Speaker 8: I got pictures from her yesterday of like how good
Speaker 8: my hair looks. And she's on tour with Taylor Swift
Speaker 8: and she's so busy and she took the time to
Speaker 8: send me these pictures. Is so amazing and so so
Speaker 8: c you.
Speaker 1: I know, I love whenever she's in town. She's always like,
Speaker 1: I'm on my way to go see Lourie.
Speaker 5: What are you doing? Come meet me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the only way Sabrina and I get to
Speaker 1: see each other is if we meet over at Lorie's house,
Speaker 1: where we both spend hours having our our haircut and colored.
Speaker 3: Rder and I were just there, but just hanging out
Speaker 3: talking right before the last shows, like, all right, well
Speaker 3: let's go hang out at Lorie's so much fun.
Speaker 1: Well, Laurie, thank you so much for spending your time
Speaker 1: with us today and most importantly, for spending your time
Speaker 1: with us all those years ago when we were awkward,
Speaker 1: bubbling teenagers. Thank you for making our hair, our legendary
Speaker 1: hair legendary. Without you, it just wouldn't have been the same.
Speaker 1: We love you so much. You are a friend for always,
Speaker 1: and we love you and appreciate you so much.
Speaker 8: Awkward were never awkward?
Speaker 2: I disagree, Laurie.
Speaker 5: Where can people find you if they want to see you?
Speaker 5: Where can they find you?
Speaker 8: I guess my instagram is underscore hair by Laurie l
Speaker 8: A U R I E.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us. We love you
Speaker 5: so much fun.
Speaker 4: She's so talented, I know. I mean I think I
Speaker 4: took it for granted, you know, as a teenager, I
Speaker 4: just thought like, well, if you're a haircut person, you
Speaker 4: are good at it. And of course the reality is
Speaker 4: like a lot of people cut hair and are not
Speaker 4: good at it. A lot of people cut hair in
Speaker 4: the film and television industry and aren't that good at it.
Speaker 4: She has amazing taste and amazing ability, and those two
Speaker 4: things in combination. It's like, yeah, there's it's no wonder
Speaker 4: that that Boy Meets World has this sort of hair
Speaker 4: reputation and that, you know, Michael picked her out of
Speaker 4: relative obscurity, you know, because he recognized her talent and
Speaker 4: her taste. And yes, she's just good.
Speaker 2: She also knows all the secrets too. That's what I
Speaker 2: love that she knows the bois she does.
Speaker 1: I forgot until she mentioned that that I went to
Speaker 1: the salon that that is that I was seeing her
Speaker 1: like he brought. He brought laur On for us to
Speaker 1: get that haircut before she officially made her way onto
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. But then I started going to her
Speaker 1: for color. So I would go to her old salon.
Speaker 1: She worked at a salon called Yuki SHARONI I remember
Speaker 1: it very well, and I would go my mom and
Speaker 1: I would drive to Beverly Hills and she'd color my hair.
Speaker 1: And she was the very first person to say to me,
Speaker 1: let's cut this, Let's cut this off. And then once
Speaker 1: that was in my head, it's all I wanted. Sand
Speaker 1: did that seed, and I was like, all I want
Speaker 1: is to cut my hair. All I want is to
Speaker 1: cut my hair and it just started my mission. So
Speaker 1: so great to see her. Thank you guys for joining
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