Speaker 1: And it's Drink Chas motherfucking Podcast. Mason, He's a legendary
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Speaker 1: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What Up is d
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Speaker 1: in O R What Up is dj e FN? And
Speaker 1: this is Drink Chas Podcast? Make Up Now now one
Speaker 1: with me and my partner to the left of me,
Speaker 1: DyF And we started this podcast we wanted to say
Speaker 1: that we wanted to salute the legends. There's so many
Speaker 1: people that after you have ten years, you have you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you know, twenty years in this game, people
Speaker 1: want to ride you off and people want to tell
Speaker 1: you you know, you ain't you, you're old and all that.
Speaker 1: But that's not what we do here. We do heres.
Speaker 1: We want to respect all legends. We want to let
Speaker 1: these people know we want to get them their flowers
Speaker 1: where they can smell them. They treat where they can't
Speaker 1: help them. They thought us where they can think them,
Speaker 1: and they drink what they can drink them. And today
Speaker 1: we have people who I felt like they literally raised
Speaker 1: me from being from Queen's I've made from down the
Speaker 1: blocking point um from where they from Elmhurst, being b
Speaker 1: from Left Franck City. I'm just so honored. I'm went
Speaker 1: and I've watched House Party again and I just went
Speaker 1: and just did because you know what, and I forgot
Speaker 1: how much of a fan like I'm starstruck right now
Speaker 1: to tell you. And so I would like to welcome
Speaker 1: to the build the kid. And that's the craziest thing
Speaker 1: about your stories. I a little, so I a little.
Speaker 1: By the way, here's the craziest thinking about your story
Speaker 1: is play You were a wild guy back there, go ahead,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what they say. They say you were
Speaker 1: looked up that hat Patty Mason, Like those were my heroes. Man,
Speaker 1: I was no head. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: didn't have the kind of heroes a lot of cats
Speaker 1: have today. You know, there was no rap stars. And
Speaker 1: for my upbringing, you know, my father being out there
Speaker 1: and the black exploitation films and all that. I thought
Speaker 1: that's all it was for us, you know, so that
Speaker 1: when we're seeing these ghetto celebrity stars like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the Benzes and BMW's and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff, I thought that's all it was for me.
Speaker 1: Because when Cats was in the school, you know, the
Speaker 1: fireman and the president of the bank coming talking about
Speaker 1: how to be successful, I didn't know about what the
Speaker 1: heck they was about. Talking to me about roaches and
Speaker 1: the house, even about no heat. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing the mark four, Continental, mark fowards and all of that.
Speaker 1: So I was stupid man to God be the well
Speaker 1: we well, we're here. I dragged him out, so kid,
Speaker 1: because I don't know, I'll follow what you do. And
Speaker 1: I know you got a close relationship with Bill Moore. Yes,
Speaker 1: Bill Moore, who was a person idolized people with h
Speaker 1: Bill Bill Moore. I don't know if I say the
Speaker 1: name right always, So Bill Moore, we s probation right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said what he said. I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: you say nigga one more time? Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: able to shade you get one more game. Well, how
Speaker 1: did you do you speak to him since then? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if we got dinner, like a few weeks back, the
Speaker 1: Bill tells me, when I'm not around, he's playing with
Speaker 1: kid and play. Well, yeah, well you celebrated his run
Speaker 1: to his binger. It's a couple of years back. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm the play when you're not a married yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, chimp. No, no, yeah, he's been he's been
Speaker 1: a close friend since like since like the mid nineties. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, did you do his original shows we
Speaker 1: are politically correct? I probably did that about twenty times.
Speaker 1: And I think I was on the finale episode as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then you know, he got into that trouble with you know,
Speaker 1: back in the you know, Iraq War days and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, you know, not eleven Chip. And then he
Speaker 1: came back again on HBO and I actually did the
Speaker 1: Couple of Buddies and mine did the theme music for
Speaker 1: you know I know that. Yeah, yeah, they switched it
Speaker 1: up last year for some reason. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't broken, but you know, but you know, he's been
Speaker 1: good to me and and you know, he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys that over the years, he's kind of taught
Speaker 1: me a lot. He's probably one of the smartest and
Speaker 1: not the smartest dude that I know. So I think
Speaker 1: we've we've had a positive kind of impact. I've tried
Speaker 1: to have him enjoy his successful Like honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: know politics to his show, because like I just I'll
Speaker 1: just like the smoke weed. I just look at it
Speaker 1: show like you we smoke pounds. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question, because you guys career, like when I
Speaker 1: went and I you know, I went and looked at
Speaker 1: you guys, you were like one of the first transitions,
Speaker 1: like meaning you guys had an album, oh in the
Speaker 1: movie just you just started a movie right after that.
Speaker 1: You know what's so funny. The only thing I ever
Speaker 1: wanted was a single for the women. That's all I done.
Speaker 1: That's just get us. We're good. I was good already,
Speaker 1: but that was gonna be like yo, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I never, in my wild of dreams would
Speaker 1: be a full album using videos, movies, cartoon series, Marvel
Speaker 1: comic strip At one time, it was small. What was it? Love?
Speaker 1: Mattel was talking about the toys at one time. For
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying the Saturday Morning Cartoons joint, right,
Speaker 1: How I didn't make that transition all. What people don't
Speaker 1: know is Reggie Hudland, who wrote and directed the original
Speaker 1: House Party, was a video director back in the days,
Speaker 1: and he used to chase meet and particularly to chase
Speaker 1: me down in clubs because he wanted to shoot. I'm
Speaker 1: using video on us. But we had we had a
Speaker 1: guy at that time, so we were we were cool.
Speaker 1: Then one time you stepped to me was like, yo,
Speaker 1: excuse me, I got a movie script for y'all. He
Speaker 1: was like, so back then it was in our crew
Speaker 1: like me play and the Herbie love Bug producer. It
Speaker 1: was it was kind of like my job to read
Speaker 1: stuff because because I couldn't out of Green English literature,
Speaker 1: you know. So they we got the script and I
Speaker 1: remember reading it and I remember coming back and telling
Speaker 1: playing Herbie. I said, you know what, it's like seventy
Speaker 1: percent there, Like the structure was really strong, the characters
Speaker 1: were fleshed out. It just riginal script and it was
Speaker 1: ridden for you guys because Jeff that now Reggie and
Speaker 1: then wanted us to do because they was familiar with
Speaker 1: our videos and stuff. They felt it was a good
Speaker 1: fit New Line Cinema, Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff because
Speaker 1: they felt it was a better bad for their to
Speaker 1: edge their bets. But at the time they were suing
Speaker 1: Will and Jeff, Mike Knight, Me on My Street and
Speaker 1: Jeff and them was like, what are you crazy? Wants
Speaker 1: to do a movie and you're seeing us, So they
Speaker 1: weren't with it, but Reggie and Warrenton always wanted us
Speaker 1: to do already. Originally the conceptually they were always thinking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of based on childhood friends.
Speaker 1: And I think even with Groovy chilling all of them,
Speaker 1: I think they had a place in it as well.
Speaker 1: So I was got that line before. Force kept saying
Speaker 1: that this, so I really joined. I felt like it
Speaker 1: was seventy percent there. But but and I thought we
Speaker 1: could bring it the rest of the way, like we
Speaker 1: could hip hop legitimize it, and and so you know,
Speaker 1: I urged the you know, our girls, the guys that
Speaker 1: that want to do it right. So but that's what happened.
Speaker 1: To his credit, Reggie Huglin, let us do basically what
Speaker 1: we wanted to. He was he was saying stuff like, look,
Speaker 1: here's the structure, here's the format. Now, if there's a
Speaker 1: better way to say it to get to where we
Speaker 1: gotta get to, if there's a more hip hop and
Speaker 1: a legitimate way to say it, do it that way.
Speaker 1: So he allowed us to do that, and in particular,
Speaker 1: full force all that stuff that full force did they
Speaker 1: plade all that stuff, all that I smell, I smell
Speaker 1: that kick, all that they made up, they all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And that's one of the great things that
Speaker 1: we liked about Reggie because he let us do our thing. Now,
Speaker 1: if it came to something really really crucial that he
Speaker 1: thought was crucial to the to the scene or something
Speaker 1: like that, maybe even you know, he would he would
Speaker 1: hold a forward on that. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of let us do our thing
Speaker 1: and let you know, lift the hip hop come out.
Speaker 1: And the truth be told, I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: the movie because at the time we was making crazy
Speaker 1: money with the music and I felt and you would
Speaker 1: think apartment but at that time when people would do
Speaker 1: commercial days of movies, they would say that they great
Speaker 1: commercial or something that was about reason. At the time,
Speaker 1: I felt we were making great money. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the history of hip hop in movies because while style
Speaker 1: and we can't forget tougher than leather, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we can't forget to So I'm like it
Speaker 1: Running Sea can't pull off of a movie who they
Speaker 1: had everything we are, you know what. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be the business minded one. But we had this rule
Speaker 1: among its called majority rules, and herbiean kid outvoted me.
Speaker 1: It's the best, the best. You know how many we
Speaker 1: wasn't were on us? Just one? Yeah, it's too high.
Speaker 1: When we did Funhouse, that was us building off the
Speaker 1: popular that's what we call it. Because the legal reasons,
Speaker 1: we couldn't call it house party, so that's why we
Speaker 1: call it. So it couldn't be the legitimate soundtrack of No,
Speaker 1: we didn't joints on the soundtrack too cold joints for
Speaker 1: the sound track two we actually they were like competing
Speaker 1: against one another at the time. So yeah, but look
Speaker 1: how long your career, your career you had up a
Speaker 1: one holum it goes the way that's make that that's career.
Speaker 1: That's a career like most people. And just to think
Speaker 1: about it nowadays, nowadays music is so disposable. What's what's
Speaker 1: a hit? Record today will not be a hit record
Speaker 1: by the summertime. Remember remember you used to have a
Speaker 1: hit record, your records to be a hit record at
Speaker 1: least for a year or two. Now you have a
Speaker 1: hit record and you do a music video months. Now
Speaker 1: you have to do a music video every week. Well,
Speaker 1: I will say this to to something to think that
Speaker 1: the artist of today kind of kind of you know,
Speaker 1: they obviously have a different outlook on it. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, the mentality back then was like make the
Speaker 1: joint tour, take some time off and then running back. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: like you said, maybe because of the music is so disposable.
Speaker 1: These guys just started hitting and hitting and hitting. You know,
Speaker 1: guys like Jay started doing. They were just like a
Speaker 1: little as long as we're doing hot joints, let's don't
Speaker 1: let's don't give him a chance to forget about us,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Will, Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: about about the new era of rappers, Uh, the way
Speaker 1: they approach it that I like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: For instance, I would like to hit Yeah. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: look I listened to so much new rap. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean how you call him a young dug.
Speaker 1: He was like, here's the permision. He was back, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hit it sheets, shotty sheets, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I listened to it. I listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of cats. I mean obviously you listened to
Speaker 1: the big ones. You know, we love we love the Drakes,
Speaker 1: and we love the logics, and we love the Jake
Speaker 1: Holes and we love Kendricks. Yeah yeah, yeah, and and
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, underground casting underground, you know,
Speaker 1: send me stuff all the time. Wait moved him. That's
Speaker 1: the way, real quick, it's yours. So people so waiting,
Speaker 1: so a young artist, they kind of hit me up
Speaker 1: all the time. And and they say, Yo, man, you
Speaker 1: want seeing you this joint? Man, Maybe you wudn't play,
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to jump on them. Maybe you play
Speaker 1: up another story. May tell that story, man, maybe you
Speaker 1: would play. Want to jump on the Jorge? I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: may send send me to join. You know. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'll keep it out. So people that
Speaker 1: got computer and listening to the joint, man, you know,
Speaker 1: the beat is kind of rocking, man, he said. You know,
Speaker 1: me and my man, we couldn't joint. Dedicated to y'all, guys,
Speaker 1: you do rhyming or whatever. Didn't think you get to
Speaker 1: the hook. He goes undertam undertown every day. Don't care
Speaker 1: what you say. I ain't just the day we tag
Speaker 1: team bitches. That's that kids, I said this this one.
Speaker 1: He didn't playing me. I think you just threw that
Speaker 1: record right now. I said, first of all, ain't no
Speaker 1: way to play getting on this. That's a non start up.
Speaker 1: And I said, that's just even too raw for me.
Speaker 1: Manage did not did you guys? Do you guys know
Speaker 1: like how famous that dances like we gotta do it.
Speaker 1: In about an hour, I heard y'all say that that's
Speaker 1: that beat in your contract for real. Well, he show
Speaker 1: people tell if we don't do it, there might be
Speaker 1: a mutiny. You know. It's so funny because I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you look at Do Do the
Speaker 1: Douggie and all these dances coming out, And I got
Speaker 1: to confess, especially I was with Douggie last night and
Speaker 1: he killed the crowd with that. But I remember when
Speaker 1: the records record came out and the the dance became popular,
Speaker 1: like oh this is the end of the kid and
Speaker 1: play kickstep. This is going on replace it, But we're
Speaker 1: still good. Like, and I'm like, what makes the record,
Speaker 1: what makes this dance last this long? And it finally
Speaker 1: hit me it's the only dance out there took two
Speaker 1: people exactly. When you want to celebrate something, you need,
Speaker 1: you need, you whatever, this is the dance you do
Speaker 1: and many people to people send the videos and you
Speaker 1: see the videos everybody doing kid and play dude, do
Speaker 1: hit the strike at the bowling now and the kid
Speaker 1: play the two change wanted to do? Yeah, still got
Speaker 1: Ron James lay with two change one name, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people just roll. That's yeah, you're just kicking me
Speaker 1: on my legs. Has one second. Let me interrupt for
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Speaker 1: streaming it right now, so don't Waitaha, bing Bone, how
Speaker 1: is it? Because so you guys, tetually came out of
Speaker 1: eighty eight the first came but our first single, last Night,
Speaker 1: came out and even changed it first whatever in the game.
Speaker 1: How many years is that? Eight seven, that's almost that's
Speaker 1: thirty one, thirty years. Let's make some mud. He called
Speaker 1: years flavorless. Now you guys are on tour with Donna
Speaker 1: Show with Smokey Robinson. You've never had a reason to
Speaker 1: be in the room with smoke with Robinson. Let you
Speaker 1: know how up my life is actually, but we've done that.
Speaker 1: You don't know, you know smoke actually I don't even
Speaker 1: let him through. Welson Day and the Path who were
Speaker 1: used to our films. But that's the thing, and I
Speaker 1: guess it's it's a blessed them because we've been kind
Speaker 1: of one of those hip hop groups that you can
Speaker 1: we can we can go on the all rap line up,
Speaker 1: but we also you can throw us on R and
Speaker 1: B dudes like you know, we did a show in
Speaker 1: Atlanta last year with Ron Eisley Keeps You Up and
Speaker 1: Ever in Champagne King and we were only rappers on
Speaker 1: so that that's happened a lot over the years that
Speaker 1: we were all y'all. Y'all can remix it be no ray, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know how powerful to crossover pillings. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget when I was a Sunset Bullovard one time it
Speaker 1: was a restaurant and the one and the only line
Speaker 1: up Richie and I had to roll up on him
Speaker 1: and this guy I don't run queens. Richie wouldn't even
Speaker 1: let me talk because he knew about us and just
Speaker 1: running us with the Jackson same thing. You don't get away.
Speaker 1: Can just say that at the time you see you
Speaker 1: saying something said Jackson, you know those guys we're not
Speaker 1: giving people they do We fans too, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, Yo, Luther vander All and we've
Speaker 1: had the honor. But when you go up and you're
Speaker 1: trying to tell them how much you admire their work,
Speaker 1: and they're cutting you off because they're telling how much
Speaker 1: they've enjoyed your work, it's like surreal, Richie. I just
Speaker 1: roll up on him and said, somebody, yeah you know,
Speaker 1: but that's but you know what it is. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: y'll come across people. You have no idea who is
Speaker 1: a fan of yours. But but players, right, we we
Speaker 1: usually come out first with you know, with the with
Speaker 1: the that just rolled up on pieces of a dream
Speaker 1: Man ran down, you know, we groove for my phone
Speaker 1: and they're like shock, like yo were music lovers man
Speaker 1: winning five Old day. He's really I'm old. So what's
Speaker 1: the best what's the best error in hip hop? To you?
Speaker 1: Every we came out him for me? Late eighties? Wait,
Speaker 1: so you don't go eight eight to uh, you don't
Speaker 1: go ten years, you just you just went eight eight
Speaker 1: to ninety two. Then if you if you look at
Speaker 1: the groups that came out at that time, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's like and that's like, that's
Speaker 1: that's primarily East coast, but towards the end, yeah, when
Speaker 1: the what comes popping off? So I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of circle that. It's a question I always needed
Speaker 1: to know. Was Kane talking about y'all when he said,
Speaker 1: who's flat top rules and eighty nine? I don't and
Speaker 1: I are great friends. Let's never come up. I've never
Speaker 1: even thought about. But I know what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: don't like because because you know, you heard the room
Speaker 1: yea yeah. But when we ask him, you know, but
Speaker 1: this is this is the thing when when somebody like
Speaker 1: he's talking about said he you know. But but the
Speaker 1: thing with k is and this is what we always
Speaker 1: I always liked it in mind about him was Kane
Speaker 1: always appreciated the thrill of the competition, like it wasn't
Speaker 1: no deef but it's just like, yo, you know, it's
Speaker 1: almost like the steel shop and steel Man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you want to do? I want to do?
Speaker 1: And his his his hit top was was a work
Speaker 1: of art. You know what I'm saying. And I think
Speaker 1: you know, if that was anything was a friendly competition.
Speaker 1: You know mine is probably longer, but his was his
Speaker 1: was like cloud Cloud three three cussing eyebrow turning a
Speaker 1: while out that arrows was great. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you something because since we brought it up being at
Speaker 1: the West Coast sted Rising around the time you guys
Speaker 1: are bubbling, and I remember as a fan, I'm listening
Speaker 1: I got Kid and playing on the mixtape and I'm
Speaker 1: starting I got n w A Easy, we got a story.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, like, yeah, like how was that because
Speaker 1: for me was speaking about the errors. That was the
Speaker 1: first that some other they talked about in straight out
Speaker 1: of that don't want to tell you that stories too
Speaker 1: in the book, but no in w A Man. Interesting
Speaker 1: thing was I remember being introduced to their music in
Speaker 1: l A and I could at the time, I could
Speaker 1: curse with the best of them. When I heard that,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, and I'll never forget when we
Speaker 1: have been on every Public Enemy tour like that was
Speaker 1: the best. Always wanted us on his tours. And we
Speaker 1: had just finished this night and I'm one out, I'm tired,
Speaker 1: and they come to me with the pitch for the
Speaker 1: next tour and they got n w A on and
Speaker 1: I'm like, na, man, I mean that that's just already
Speaker 1: heard the music. Yeah, there's been much easy. But I
Speaker 1: got the start. When I came down from the after party,
Speaker 1: we ready getting into some women the whole night like that.
Speaker 1: I wanted my famous peinter Colada Virgin Peter Colatta, but
Speaker 1: the boss shut down. I felt I could use my name, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, He's like, I don't care well know who
Speaker 1: you are. You ain't getting no Peanut colatda. So the
Speaker 1: promoter comes and says, yo, I got to stay. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this thing. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me be fair. If you get me a Peter Coloido,
Speaker 1: I'll do the tour. Because I thought that the ball
Speaker 1: was shut. Darl Brooks G Street Productions comes over with
Speaker 1: to Peter Colloidas and a half of Peter Coloida and
Speaker 1: I had to keep my word and we ended up
Speaker 1: doing the tour. But the reason why they needed us
Speaker 1: to be about the reason why they I wanted to
Speaker 1: keep my word, the reason why they needed us on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's for Yeah, because with Public Enemy and m
Speaker 1: w A on the same tour, they thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy about. So that's why we ended up
Speaker 1: being a part of that history. And we had fun
Speaker 1: with the guys. A lot of and that this is
Speaker 1: the thing you know a lot of times you're you're
Speaker 1: wearing or you know, because you don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: know people you know. We didn't know too Short, we
Speaker 1: didn't know Easy, and then we didn't know Jake, we
Speaker 1: didn't know Q, we didn't know Yellow and once we
Speaker 1: got together. First of all, I made the mistake and
Speaker 1: thought it was two different audiences. I think the people
Speaker 1: that listen the kid who play couldn't possibly listen. Why
Speaker 1: would say that to it? But I was I was
Speaker 1: so wrong. Is that the same tour that T. K.
Speaker 1: Kirkland was the host ship bomb every night that it's
Speaker 1: good man, that's not good hey, but he kept going everyway, listen,
Speaker 1: this this is true story. He's good people. I don't
Speaker 1: try to I do statism. It isn't so so. But
Speaker 1: but my main point was, um, we got to know
Speaker 1: one enough to ye. Towards the end of the tour,
Speaker 1: right at the end of the toward the end we
Speaker 1: were in um excuse me, we were in Washington and
Speaker 1: in Philly, and as we as the tour moved east
Speaker 1: and this is public end me and end up like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I think by and as the
Speaker 1: tour got more and more towards the East coast, the
Speaker 1: west coach with me, because the coach wasn't really up
Speaker 1: on it yet, so they'll say his name actually Struggle
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I remember the last couple of shows,
Speaker 1: even too short, you're saying struggle, you know. But I
Speaker 1: remember one night. I remember one night game too too.
Speaker 1: I had a rough night, as we all do sometimes,
Speaker 1: and so we're backstage and two short man, that's my man,
Speaker 1: fifty grand I remember him telling it, saying the t
Speaker 1: K he said, Man, he said, Man, I might have
Speaker 1: bombed the night, but nigga, you bombed every night pre consistent.
Speaker 1: Because you know what, here's here's a piece of history
Speaker 1: for you. People could say what they want to say
Speaker 1: in regards to taking a minute for it to catch
Speaker 1: you on the New York but one Catch never gets
Speaker 1: his property. She got that helped out MW n W
Speaker 1: A A lot um DC, he wrote, the mainstream main
Speaker 1: I mean you know what I'm saying, regular play and
Speaker 1: Catch had to give credit to Dr Dre and that
Speaker 1: whole thing man, because he was doing it, man, and
Speaker 1: that helped us. It helped us. You in the n
Speaker 1: W a fan and as a place and we all
Speaker 1: we all had a blast and these are some friendships
Speaker 1: that that we that we we carried, you know to
Speaker 1: this day. You know what I'm saying. I mean when
Speaker 1: we were joking around by t K but you know,
Speaker 1: look he was a part of it as well. Two
Speaker 1: Short was on that DLC was on that tour. J
Speaker 1: J Fad was on that tour, um uh and then
Speaker 1: all other toys we went on. We were doing stuff
Speaker 1: with Digital Underground when Tupac was a back yeah when
Speaker 1: he was Yeah, he was. He was young. And it
Speaker 1: was funny with Tupac because he wanted to wrap so
Speaker 1: bad that he really so at the after party one time,
Speaker 1: we're hanging out men and him I go down, I'm
Speaker 1: just there for the women. So he wants to get on.
Speaker 1: Then he wants to get on the mike, so he goes.
Speaker 1: The DJ goes, yo, we got my man play in
Speaker 1: the house, play coming up to the booth and wrapped
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I don't want to two You're
Speaker 1: man going up there. Let's get up there and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not here for that man. Well let's get up there.
Speaker 1: When the DJ gives you the Mike. You quickly what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean we were be down, beat downs
Speaker 1: and all of that. He had the craziest question on
Speaker 1: yo Yo. He loved him because we go but Yo,
Speaker 1: he would do anything for Yo Yo. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He shout, Now I've seen dope and you
Speaker 1: you said that g Rapp is from your neighborhood. She
Speaker 1: was still rappers from Corona, and so you claim him
Speaker 1: as being from alm Hurst when I've seen you. You
Speaker 1: know what got confused because a lot of cats would
Speaker 1: hang out in the heart because from the girls was
Speaker 1: at what I'm saying, and some cats didn't want to
Speaker 1: claim Corona like that because they wanted the girls over
Speaker 1: that are so sometimes the five line because you had
Speaker 1: like thirty seventh, thirty fourth try but you know when
Speaker 1: you looked at the school district or whatever, you would
Speaker 1: say Corona, but come to find out it was Jackson
Speaker 1: Hikay dirty fourth Avenue is because I would say that
Speaker 1: we considered thirty second Avenue and beyond to be up
Speaker 1: in Corona. Thirty second, thirty second Avenue. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it would be like that's us. He considered that. You know,
Speaker 1: you remember the bomb building. What was that Corona was
Speaker 1: at the hearse we can set the hearse um. You
Speaker 1: know who's horse nass, guys, by the word we can said,
Speaker 1: it's old school queens. Relax and by the way, hassan,
Speaker 1: and by the way, kid, I spoke to the Queen's
Speaker 1: delegation and when we looked at your story, we want
Speaker 1: you to raise the Bronx out of you want you
Speaker 1: to just claimed queens. You spoke in the Queen's delegation
Speaker 1: and I also spoke to the Bronx congregation and they said,
Speaker 1: it's okay, how about a queen. You want you to
Speaker 1: fully claim your bronze. The Bronx raised queens pret queen's
Speaker 1: paybe yo yo, so o man, I mean you and
Speaker 1: Salt and Pepper worked at sears together, your sears a
Speaker 1: robot telephone all down the FI at some point or
Speaker 1: the first one got So what happened if you guys
Speaker 1: went to guy fired, you have to stay this this
Speaker 1: that was in the sand, I mean, I mean it
Speaker 1: would have been no story. And Sulton Pepper was there
Speaker 1: and spend just salt Pepper, just Salt and pepper over
Speaker 1: Martin station, right, Yeah, I used to work in a
Speaker 1: gas station Acrose the street from Let's let's just break
Speaker 1: that down right. Yeah, they've been Pepper worked at Serious
Speaker 1: together and Martin walked across the street and it has that,
Speaker 1: it has gas station talent, and we all and we
Speaker 1: all and we all got down. I mean, can you
Speaker 1: imagine that's like a billion one? Like all five of
Speaker 1: us include heard be like all of us, all of us,
Speaker 1: that's crazy man. And then y'all actually Chris Tucker and
Speaker 1: Bernie Mack is like your discovery. I wouldn't I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I mean their first movies, Um,
Speaker 1: you know their first Chris Tucker first movie was was
Speaker 1: House Party three. Bernie mac first movie was Happen Bernie
Speaker 1: Mac was this this is a piece of history. Martin
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in House Party three and we
Speaker 1: need huh So anyway, so anyway doing the movies at
Speaker 1: this point, yes, but we're getting paid. So anyway, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: we need some star power, we need some comedy power
Speaker 1: in this joint. I went to go see to the
Speaker 1: premier of Who's the Man the Bernie It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I looked at the screen. I said, this could be
Speaker 1: Robin Harris's brother, Complexion the whole not. So I told
Speaker 1: him because he was there, I said, dude, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you in house spot. I'm gonna get it whatever.
Speaker 1: I said. It was a name sousing something up at
Speaker 1: New Line the lady. Yeah, yeah, one of the v
Speaker 1: I p s. And I told him, yeah, you need
Speaker 1: to get into this needs to happen. Did you need
Speaker 1: to have the next day, I know, yeah, happy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was definitely early career. And I remember I
Speaker 1: used to see I used to watch Chris Tucker when
Speaker 1: he came out from Atlanta and watched him do stand
Speaker 1: up in Hollywood at the Comedy Store in particular, and
Speaker 1: you know you called me. He said, you trust me
Speaker 1: on this because we had we were about to shoot
Speaker 1: this scene the next day. And then he said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't got nobody. We ain't got we need the
Speaker 1: manager for the trip, and we ain't got me got
Speaker 1: a party man, So we got nobody. He's gonna perform.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, I said, I
Speaker 1: just seen money at the comedy store, man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And CHRISTI just got on stage. So
Speaker 1: I stepped to him and you know, you know Chris,
Speaker 1: Chris liked what your doing. So I said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: come down to the set tomorrow. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We go, there's a part for you, man, just do
Speaker 1: went down there, did the one scene you I mean,
Speaker 1: stole it with the scene, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then his next movie after that was Friday because
Speaker 1: now new Line was very very familiar with him, and
Speaker 1: you know, Cube brought on first quantity y'allah. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you. At the same time, yes, from a live
Speaker 1: doing stand up man, he was, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: just a young Chris Tucker, like fresh out of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Was electric. He was electric man, and I knew yeah,
Speaker 1: and that and that goes back to another thing that
Speaker 1: play was talking about kind of kind of entring toward
Speaker 1: these house party movies, especially toward the end they we
Speaker 1: get we get most of the credit, but there was
Speaker 1: lots of good people and and we wanted that We
Speaker 1: don't want to you know, we wanted everybody to shine
Speaker 1: because then it uplifts the movie. Everybody wins. So when
Speaker 1: people so when we wanted Martin to come back for
Speaker 1: the house party together, but you gotta let him win,
Speaker 1: you know, We told him put full forth in House
Speaker 1: Party too, because because they because it ain't broke and
Speaker 1: not not. Why are you? Why are you? Why are
Speaker 1: you replacing them? Are you taking away? Let's add let's
Speaker 1: add to it. So what the course of the three
Speaker 1: house parties in a movie like Class Act? We were
Speaker 1: always trying to load up on the talent and if
Speaker 1: it meant giving people opportunities that hadn't had opportunities before,
Speaker 1: isn't true. Lebron James is doing a new we makeup
Speaker 1: House part that's the word, that's the word on word
Speaker 1: on sreeze. How did that? How does that happening? He
Speaker 1: has the cool y'all? Man, you mean we we own
Speaker 1: House Party, but we don't own it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's time for it, that's new line. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's obvious the day they've kind of bonded
Speaker 1: together and to formulation they got good people with it, man,
Speaker 1: I mean brother Donald Glover's brother Atlanta, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So yeah, I mean I'm just concerned because
Speaker 1: it's a different time in this world. You know, when
Speaker 1: you came up with the House Party, then it was relatable.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew about the house party, parents going down south,
Speaker 1: just that. Look at let's put that where we are today.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, it's clubs. I was back then.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was in love with Gina back then.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, great kisser, shout out to teacher, But you
Speaker 1: didn't hit you back out on the market and then
Speaker 1: you're not gonna lie and play. I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 1: old and you were knocking down a lot of it
Speaker 1: just clas I mean that was the word in Queens.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They was like yeomen and you were like
Speaker 1: the first restless Nights. Thinking about it, he was. He
Speaker 1: was the first Westley Pip, you know. But that's it.
Speaker 1: It's dude. This dude was a terror on You don't
Speaker 1: play for playboyvolgue, but you have. That's why all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the bad one, that's the one. Yeah. My kid was
Speaker 1: knocking out those books in school exactly first we Firth
Speaker 1: started hanging off. I have a big thick glasses like,
Speaker 1: what's going on there? That class? Yeah yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's what he helped me out a lot with that.
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of help you get a lot
Speaker 1: of games because my game was class really really yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we do. It's really not not It's funny
Speaker 1: because when we first got out on the road, we
Speaker 1: had to share a room together, a low budget situation.
Speaker 1: They used to call a sit and Clay. They would
Speaker 1: never get our names right, you know. And he beat
Speaker 1: some girl and come to the room late, and who
Speaker 1: wait for the phone to ring because she's supposed to
Speaker 1: call him when she got home safely. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: he was one of those Yeah, I was I was
Speaker 1: talking about and he couldn't go to that without some
Speaker 1: tea teething dog. Who is this so wird? You know what?
Speaker 1: Get me out of And you really did good at school?
Speaker 1: And here like that, And I said, I learned how
Speaker 1: to talk is from this dude, because school's got done
Speaker 1: with me, Art Designed Flush and High Hillcrest High Brian
Speaker 1: I got kicked out of. But I started hanging out
Speaker 1: with this guy when I taught him how to cut
Speaker 1: school the whole nine And we be in his crib
Speaker 1: and Jeopardy would come on and it was they tell me, yes,
Speaker 1: but I can. I can be an intelligent funk out
Speaker 1: of it. You know what I'm saying. Because I used
Speaker 1: to use all my children to get it. Women, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, watch the soaps when I cut
Speaker 1: out being the party. See your girl wanted to get
Speaker 1: what excuse me? But do you know what happened with
Speaker 1: Erica Kane and so on? So today you watch the soaps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, my little tend to side sliding. Don't try
Speaker 1: to say some real component ship right here. I know
Speaker 1: that thing so far was was a way like I
Speaker 1: used to I want to leave in college back in
Speaker 1: the days, and so at lunch time I would go
Speaker 1: to like the student center because that's when the girls were.
Speaker 1: All the girls with there. You'd be me and like
Speaker 1: twenty chicks, you know what I mean, watching watching all
Speaker 1: my children. So you just you know what I gotta saying.
Speaker 1: Names only somebody would watch with you, so you don't know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't play games, you know. And then Martin, Martin,
Speaker 1: how do you know about that? A bunch of chicks right?
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn they got me. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: like the chicks to look at me like he looks
Speaker 1: like a cuddler whatever, like inside competition between you and
Speaker 1: Salt Pepper being that it was like y'all was the
Speaker 1: exact opposite version of each other. Never we helped each
Speaker 1: other a lot, you know what I'm saying there, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean that too, because our first
Speaker 1: thing was really well, I was in the tramp video
Speaker 1: and then we were in Shake Your Thing, you dance
Speaker 1: with Shake Your Thing. But the thing was Kid helped
Speaker 1: with the lyrics, help her reform that I with the
Speaker 1: outfits and to give the pushing jackets, all of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So and they helped us. Man, I
Speaker 1: mean the girls that are believe me forever. If you
Speaker 1: look at you look at a lot of early Song
Speaker 1: and Pepper videos, you see us all up in there,
Speaker 1: you know, and then what we like the detectives and
Speaker 1: shake your things and everybody get up. But this is,
Speaker 1: this is this was the idol maker's way. You know, Herbie.
Speaker 1: Herbie is conglomerate at that time because it was always
Speaker 1: the strong helping the week. So so Pepper helped put
Speaker 1: us on. Then we came and then we put it.
Speaker 1: You know, we put Karma on. You know, he's started
Speaker 1: appearing in on Star. We started dressing videos. Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Dana Dan was in the you know,
Speaker 1: go back and watch old data dame videos. We all
Speaker 1: have been there, you know, just just topped for one
Speaker 1: second because Um plays so nonchalant. He was like he
Speaker 1: helped with the lyrics. Why do you think back in
Speaker 1: the days like Big Daddy came with out front right
Speaker 1: for bis Marck, he would make it be known. I
Speaker 1: mean easy. He has a line on his lyrics. He
Speaker 1: says ice cu right the rhymes that I say. And
Speaker 1: you just said like, but back then that was not
Speaker 1: frowned upon. But now you know, I heard you missed
Speaker 1: Drake earlier. Um, I wouldn't looked at your interviews. You
Speaker 1: missed Drake a lot like I saw I done that
Speaker 1: you like drinking, But why do you think it was
Speaker 1: so Why do both of you guys, not just you,
Speaker 1: but why do I both of you guys think that
Speaker 1: it's so frowned upon? Like when a person like Drake
Speaker 1: status like today's find upon? Yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: know what you know what our click our crew was
Speaker 1: was a community and it was everybody pitching whatever you
Speaker 1: would say, I don't make his camp sweet team. But
Speaker 1: what was the intention. The intention was to get the
Speaker 1: people up and dance. You know what I'm saying. All
Speaker 1: means necessary. So if you had a clever line or
Speaker 1: something that's gonna accomplish sitting around and study what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we all have. It's a party in the studio. And
Speaker 1: the thing I think about back then, you have the
Speaker 1: juice crew. Yeah, I don't make his crew. You have
Speaker 1: the boogie down. Everybody had these crews in the first
Speaker 1: Lady of their cruise and all that stuff. But it
Speaker 1: was a competition. Iron sharper than Iron. We all wanted
Speaker 1: to be unique in own way. He was gonna do this,
Speaker 1: gonna do that. So I think it was the intention.
Speaker 1: I think the intention today is different. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the same agenda. You know, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: It's just and to me, I don't I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with cats having ghost writing and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, man, because you still gotta you still
Speaker 1: gotta make it sound good. You know, guys, I don't
Speaker 1: like taking steroids. You canna take. You still gonna work
Speaker 1: out what's the question, what's the question behind what's the
Speaker 1: different between the rapper and then see, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: doves into that right there. If you seek you got
Speaker 1: to be to write his own thing. But now that's
Speaker 1: just one thing, brainstorming and loaning a line versus writing
Speaker 1: the whole song. And I think the other person helped
Speaker 1: set this straight was Ditty's line, don't worry about be
Speaker 1: right right right checks you know what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: we had producers on there because d do and he
Speaker 1: said he was. I think he was. He was being
Speaker 1: a marriage he came in. So what happened was he
Speaker 1: said that every artist stills. He said every artist stole
Speaker 1: every single I said, not everybody. He said everybody. He
Speaker 1: was very adamat looked and I was like, here, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not here as an artist. That I
Speaker 1: got to remind us of all my hand as an artist.
Speaker 1: I had to let people speak as a journalist. But
Speaker 1: ras Cast was there too, a Rascast was like, yo,
Speaker 1: be he was, we were not every artist has stole
Speaker 1: it with that. But what I'm not going to allow
Speaker 1: to you. As I posted that, I read my comments,
Speaker 1: which I don't. I don't read my comments because I
Speaker 1: could be saying, um, but this is the first time
Speaker 1: I did read my comments, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: were praying with him, everybody saying everybody's the way he
Speaker 1: was saying I think it's a matter of semantics to
Speaker 1: like he's saying, like if you if you borrow anything,
Speaker 1: that's the way he's saying you. He's saying anything that
Speaker 1: you know, standing next to Big made jay Z better
Speaker 1: and it made Jay which I think there's chats when
Speaker 1: someone's between the wholesale because somebody really comedy, right, I
Speaker 1: apologize for comedy. In comedy that is like almost standard,
Speaker 1: like like almost standards to have a writer run around
Speaker 1: with you. Well, not always stand but I mean, well,
Speaker 1: look if you're if you're at super high levels, you know,
Speaker 1: like Bill maher like having hard Yeah you you there's
Speaker 1: no way one man can create working too Yeah yeah, Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill Maherr has has has writers year round, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, year around footnot I only the team show,
Speaker 1: but when he does his live performances, so so they're
Speaker 1: always giving him fresh new political stuff and whatnot. And
Speaker 1: and Kevin and I'm sure the same way. He has
Speaker 1: a real tight talented cruise. I mean, and and so
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's more like that of a show credits
Speaker 1: with Eddie Murphy and you see how much and even
Speaker 1: Robert Townsend, all of them, they will click, man, and
Speaker 1: they all, here's something funny, and they just yea. It's
Speaker 1: hard to create all that content by yourself. So what
Speaker 1: happens is you're you're with people that are like minded,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like good friends and stop
Speaker 1: friends the Mooney with Richard pryor you know, good friends
Speaker 1: of line like Joe Tommy Davidson. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We all want to look that crazy this man, I mean,
Speaker 1: be around all of them, man, just commedia. It's nothing serious.
Speaker 1: Everything is a joke. And a lot of times what
Speaker 1: happens this you you'll have a friend, you know, a
Speaker 1: friend condic watch your set and watch something child. A
Speaker 1: lot of times they'll give you what's called a note
Speaker 1: like hey man, you know you know they joke you
Speaker 1: do about the such and such at the end, why
Speaker 1: don't you say you know? And saying it to make
Speaker 1: it pop like a little bit more. And we've all
Speaker 1: been of the mindset like, look, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: care if it's funny. It's funny, I'll use it if
Speaker 1: it's gonna make a joke. That's my point in regards
Speaker 1: to going back to writing lyrics back then, if it's
Speaker 1: what it's gonna take to get the people to get
Speaker 1: up and dance. It is that kind of line. Use
Speaker 1: it that w you just said, nailed that, but use
Speaker 1: a line that wasn't. This was my ghost riding hervey.
Speaker 1: I threw it a little man one of the days.
Speaker 1: Not this idea for a dope jacket. Put this because
Speaker 1: that big shout out to run law by the way.
Speaker 1: But my thing was designing. My thing was just hanging
Speaker 1: out with death longer than if he if he if
Speaker 1: you saw our gear and you thought that, and you
Speaker 1: thought that she was flying. That was It was like
Speaker 1: the first designer, like the first like well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I remember having a meeting with
Speaker 1: Andre Horrell and I was like, yo, let's create beats
Speaker 1: and let this beat be a beat that represents four
Speaker 1: play because that was the name of my joint. And
Speaker 1: he play for play, and I had the clothing drink
Speaker 1: for play because when DAP got caught up with that
Speaker 1: whole Mitch Green and Tyson situation was a watch was
Speaker 1: passed to me, so you know, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: And I still like this right now. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: interesting thing wasn't about to lose. My train of thought
Speaker 1: was the fact that all you're going to the new
Speaker 1: it was stylist if um um. Yeah, it's like the thing,
Speaker 1: but my thing. I really didn't lost his Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't afford it when y'all was doing it.
Speaker 1: But y'all was doing it up there all the time.
Speaker 1: To do those pep of jackets, I had to live
Speaker 1: there at that shop because you know, he had all
Speaker 1: the Africans in the beast, but that wasn't known for
Speaker 1: being on time with your gears. So her was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to just stay here all night whatever
Speaker 1: because we had to get those jackets and the mural.
Speaker 1: I did this on the back of that push. I
Speaker 1: had to be on a plane to get them there out.
Speaker 1: I think we did that in Florida to push it thing.
Speaker 1: So technically you can see me on the side the
Speaker 1: first puff daddy. Oh, I know what I was gonna say. Now.
Speaker 1: The thing about it, Andre and I we were talking
Speaker 1: about doing a thing with gear and he's like, play,
Speaker 1: I really don't see that. Then you got Wu Tang
Speaker 1: that did it? What was that? And he didn't see
Speaker 1: the vision at the time. You know what he was
Speaker 1: definitely ahead of Curb. He was definitely he had like
Speaker 1: for example, when when Martin Lawrence was hosting Deaf Deaf
Speaker 1: Commy jam back those first six first episodes, even when
Speaker 1: it showing, you know, because you know, I did School
Speaker 1: of Our Knocks Queen maybe in my partner at the time,
Speaker 1: but School Knocks Jerry Bonds in Corona. We were partners
Speaker 1: at the time. I did the designing. We had this
Speaker 1: idea because African American college line, that allegic line Chris Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Blackstick. So I said, you know, they get all
Speaker 1: this thing about pe We're going to college, I'm gonna dropout.
Speaker 1: We know the people they didn't finish school. We need
Speaker 1: to come up with a line that represents those that
Speaker 1: are still good even though you didn't go to school.
Speaker 1: So we said school. We came with the idea on
Speaker 1: the fifty Night Street Bridge and traffic going into Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and I said School of Hard Knocks, and we came
Speaker 1: up with the line of naming all the artists from
Speaker 1: Queens and rapids. We knew they didn't finish school, and
Speaker 1: that's how the thing blew up. And then things was
Speaker 1: going on crazy in my life I want, and I
Speaker 1: just gave it. I gave it to say just take
Speaker 1: it because it's stressing, you know, like when not when
Speaker 1: I when I because you know, I want to properly always,
Speaker 1: you know, introduce and you know, be in tune with
Speaker 1: the artists. So one thing I though this is you're
Speaker 1: a big glasses guy. I loved I collect glasses and watches.
Speaker 1: By the way, manasses. I think this is the havas. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, ain't got those his glass his glass almost
Speaker 1: looking at them, almost like yo. One thing you can
Speaker 1: tell a look at getting money. But the type of
Speaker 1: glasses he got. The fisher, he had a bad cardiers.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find him. You know. I was like, y'all
Speaker 1: this cardiers and I said, hold on, let me try
Speaker 1: to find him. And I couldn't find him. I said,
Speaker 1: he's a fisher. When I can't find your glasses, I
Speaker 1: know you you dig deep. I'm a glasses guy. I
Speaker 1: was so sorry. I was. I was much more of
Speaker 1: a sneakerhead. I mean, I still I still have to
Speaker 1: a certain okay you know what I'm saying, but not
Speaker 1: like bringing the ponies out now. I shot one of
Speaker 1: the one and hold someone just told me when ponies,
Speaker 1: I remember someone just took stands for New York and
Speaker 1: pony it's p O. It's an acronym. The N stands
Speaker 1: for New York. And someone just told me in old
Speaker 1: school play handball. Yeah yeah, So let me ask you
Speaker 1: all the things from being a rapp But even though
Speaker 1: you you you touched the comedian world, what made you
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna do the standard stand us boughted the
Speaker 1: roughest of the comedian, like why wouldn't you go straight
Speaker 1: to your HBO stand up special? Well, this is the thing, um,
Speaker 1: A backstory is I was actually hosting a TV show,
Speaker 1: a syndicated TV show called Your Big Break. It was
Speaker 1: actually like the precursor remember, precursor to American Idol, Like
Speaker 1: you know, if you can sing, you know you you
Speaker 1: sing a share song, but we're gonna put you in
Speaker 1: one of share His gowns and dress up a set
Speaker 1: all losing that right. So it was a show I showed.
Speaker 1: I hosted for a year, um and but then I
Speaker 1: got fired almost like yeah, I got fired. I got
Speaker 1: I got fired from after the first year was the
Speaker 1: Dick Clark Show, and they sent they fired me by
Speaker 1: by letter and then I end up getting replaced by
Speaker 1: Alfonso Ribero, right though, the only black guy whiter than me,
Speaker 1: you know what. Right, So, so I was like out
Speaker 1: of work. It was like it was like nine, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was literally girls. You know, Joe's a
Speaker 1: time release, right, so you know I was. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, kidn't played. Was was cold at the time.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was on the left coast,
Speaker 1: he was, he was back east. I wasn't really I
Speaker 1: wasn't really doing anything I need. I needed. I needed
Speaker 1: a spark and with two good friends of mine, Tommy
Speaker 1: Davidson and Bill Maher, that urged me to go in
Speaker 1: to stand up. And actually Bill Moore brought me on
Speaker 1: the Oprah Winfrey Show one of the first times I
Speaker 1: ever did stand up because it was a show called
Speaker 1: Funny People and who they Think are funny? So you
Speaker 1: had dial, Hughesley brought on some more, John Stewart brought
Speaker 1: on Lewis Black, and Bill Moore brought me on and said,
Speaker 1: hey man, this is one of the funniest guys I know.
Speaker 1: And that out a so that that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I got started. But what I found out ultimately was
Speaker 1: having been a rapper really helped prepare me for stand
Speaker 1: up that well, it's well, first of all, you already
Speaker 1: know where your way around the stage. I mean, any
Speaker 1: comedian will tell you. Man, half the battle is just
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable on stage and comfortable in front of strangers
Speaker 1: and comfortable in front of fans. Man, we had already
Speaker 1: done that. We would perform the front of hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people. You just got to make sure that
Speaker 1: the maternity was tight. That it's unique to you and
Speaker 1: to me. If you're talking about you know, Tommy, Tommy
Speaker 1: and Bill mar you know, two of the greats, and
Speaker 1: they literally kind of forced me. I mean if you
Speaker 1: talk about if you talk about comedian idols, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know everybody, the Richard proect. Tommy is one of
Speaker 1: the He's so underrated. He's one of the greatest of
Speaker 1: all times. And you know, we're a lot of like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of manning and over you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, real quick off the top and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So he was a great, great influence. And and you know,
Speaker 1: and Bill, somebody as as great as Bill was behind that.
Speaker 1: So um, it felt comfortable like almost off the rip.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And what did you think
Speaker 1: when you when when he said to you, I was
Speaker 1: an interesting piece of news. He didn't come get at
Speaker 1: me like yo playing I'm gonna do comedy. I just
Speaker 1: heard he was doing comedy. I just know how much
Speaker 1: he makes me laugh. I just hope it translated to
Speaker 1: huge your audiences. But no, I was good with it.
Speaker 1: I heard he was like Bigfoot. There were sightings of him.
Speaker 1: He's here's this club, He's only did you see him on?
Speaker 1: I did see um when he hosted that show you
Speaker 1: know that? But I got a question. Do you anybody
Speaker 1: remember when Will Smith tried to do stand up? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It was like a word show about
Speaker 1: bombing because he did a joke about it. Supposed Jesus
Speaker 1: came out with sneakers and they were calling Jesus too.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't never forget that man. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the best of what kids doing his thing? But what
Speaker 1: was your worst night? Wow? Alright, you're gonna love this one, right,
Speaker 1: T King's gonna love this one because I died Royal Okay,
Speaker 1: so I was in to rock Arkansas. It's gonna be Arkansas, right,
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and I'm crushing it, dude. I'm crushing it
Speaker 1: Thursday and crushing Friday, crushing it. And back then I
Speaker 1: used to bring our DJ DJ Whiz I used to
Speaker 1: bring in with me. You know, I almost like on
Speaker 1: this kick of pre stuff. You know, play play up stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later. Yeah, yeah, play play the
Speaker 1: comedians on, playing me on whatever kind. So Whis would
Speaker 1: come with me. So where's with me that weekend? So
Speaker 1: I'm feeling myself, man, Saturday? Now, I said, Minimo, try
Speaker 1: this brand new jaw. I'm feelings. I was watching TV
Speaker 1: or in the room probably getting Yeah, I got cash
Speaker 1: because I was doing so much exact I'm so um.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, I'm gonna pick ups pick spot
Speaker 1: right in the middle, so I'll come out. I'm crushing him.
Speaker 1: So now is the time to do the bread new joke.
Speaker 1: So I said, hey, man, mind you we're in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I was watching a TV today. Now,
Speaker 1: I was watching this religious program. Man. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys are into a boy bands at all,
Speaker 1: but you know they got a relig just boy band out.
Speaker 1: Man heard these guys man. Then their first record was
Speaker 1: called Jesus he's so neat. They put nails through his
Speaker 1: arms and nails through his feet, and I just laid
Speaker 1: it like jail. So the very was like the and
Speaker 1: the audience went silent, and I looked down now and
Speaker 1: I can look. I looked out in the corner of
Speaker 1: my eye, and I can see Whiz whis was down below.
Speaker 1: Whiz looked at me and said, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: We were we kill that. This is the words I
Speaker 1: every week, and I never ever ever told that joke again.
Speaker 1: I just tell you just to be a comedian. That's
Speaker 1: how you have to learn. If the joke is good,
Speaker 1: we can go that afternoon, I said, I'm winning with
Speaker 1: this still silence. Oh now, now now it's like it's
Speaker 1: like y'all lives had did at three sixty. Because in
Speaker 1: the beginning, um, I think you self call yourself a
Speaker 1: nerd or something like that, and then you were like
Speaker 1: the cool kid. You were a street kid. You actually
Speaker 1: wanted to pursue you know, the street like even more
Speaker 1: than you remember back then when you went to jail
Speaker 1: because your celebrity and the talk come out. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That was a stupidity then, you know,
Speaker 1: but your lives is like three sixty now because he
Speaker 1: got something called kid in Blaze. What you want your
Speaker 1: own joint or you don't know, I'm gonna because just
Speaker 1: just just you know, doesn't doesn't work like where you
Speaker 1: got something called kid in blade and you are actually
Speaker 1: a born again Christian believer? Now, how did how did
Speaker 1: that happen for you? For for people that just to
Speaker 1: cut right to the chase? Man, when you just get
Speaker 1: everything you want, did you think it's going to be fulfilling,
Speaker 1: going to be happy? You know who my ex wife
Speaker 1: is and homes and calls? Who at all of that
Speaker 1: good stuff had y'all coming to America? Come on, mcdown,
Speaker 1: Lisa McDowell. But when you have everything, I mean everything,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I wanted to be you. He's
Speaker 1: buying benches her, He's doing benches and BMW's and portions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta go bigger than these cats. What
Speaker 1: do I Because it's like y'all do a Delorian what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I've got trying to be back to
Speaker 1: the feature of ships choosing a lot of money out life,
Speaker 1: yo yo yo. He was, he was doing the w
Speaker 1: and it just got to the point where it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: this isn't doing it. This is like I'm tormented. It's like,
Speaker 1: what more do I need to do? Whatever? And I'm
Speaker 1: seeing you gotta cross into that dark side type stuff.
Speaker 1: Now some people call a deal with naughty, making deals
Speaker 1: down to use IM so scared. I was like, damn.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta be kids. I did to
Speaker 1: come here because I smoke weed on every episode. So
Speaker 1: I was like, but then when you didn't decline and
Speaker 1: you just came, I said, damn, he's the You're the
Speaker 1: cool like turned over questions. But you know there's some
Speaker 1: people that take it too far. They'd be like, I
Speaker 1: mean I went through that stage too, Like what I'm
Speaker 1: dinant mean you know what I'm saying. You couldn't like
Speaker 1: he's Irish and Jamaican, like both of his side a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know what's interested in? We have a
Speaker 1: we have a relationship most don't have. It's like there
Speaker 1: was no casting call for a kid, there was no
Speaker 1: casting call for a play. We can finish each other's sentences.
Speaker 1: We can if I'm not able to be on the
Speaker 1: call for a business deal of vice versa. Just as
Speaker 1: long as we had a conversation about it right to
Speaker 1: We're good. So it's like, you know, it's just natural,
Speaker 1: it's organic type thing. I mean, it ain't perfect. We
Speaker 1: go we the odd company, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: especially now, but it's like it's all good, and it's
Speaker 1: like for me, I just want people to beat them
Speaker 1: albs man, because that's where we gotta If it's gonna
Speaker 1: be any kind of change, you gotta start from that.
Speaker 1: It just can't be like trying to be something you're not.
Speaker 1: But spark it up man, Like yeah, um, they should
Speaker 1: let me know before you guys. One thing that I
Speaker 1: definitely want to know because and I was trying to
Speaker 1: bring it up before, is that when you guys did
Speaker 1: the movie stuff, if there's anything that artists could learn
Speaker 1: today the way you guys structured those situations that do
Speaker 1: you do you do you see something from those movies today?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean people you know, we might have
Speaker 1: took them for first, you got sixty and he got thirty. No,
Speaker 1: I got thirty, got I got dirty? I think because
Speaker 1: I literally knew we were like on on on the clock.
Speaker 1: So if I had a little more screen time than him,
Speaker 1: that means I probably got paid like like a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But that was that was that top that
Speaker 1: out like thirty g s. Nobody was getting. Nobody got
Speaker 1: but but where they but where they didn't have an
Speaker 1: option for say Blue now we gotta stick you up.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because of our situation that a
Speaker 1: lot of companies said, no, we will never let that
Speaker 1: happen again. We are we want to make everything. If
Speaker 1: you do movies, your images right over these. They didn't
Speaker 1: have that with us, so and I think that that Fredmno,
Speaker 1: good friend, match Select Records, great guy, but he let
Speaker 1: that slip through the cracks, and I think he kicks
Speaker 1: himself for not, you know, because no one thought whatever happened?
Speaker 1: But did you guys got production credits in the In
Speaker 1: the following films, it grew a lot of stuff grew
Speaker 1: eventually because the situations where people can learn from those situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say this. I would say this, the type
Speaker 1: of input that that we had and and thank thankfully
Speaker 1: that director, the directors and the producers gave us would
Speaker 1: be considered producing today, but were not. You described, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he's finding Bernie Man writing, you know, remaking
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, writing all the raps. But that's
Speaker 1: producing today, ain't that producing? So no, know what you're worth,
Speaker 1: Know what talents you're bringing to the table because a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that that we did and they
Speaker 1: took for granted. Look it all came out and and
Speaker 1: thirty years later we still here, you know, doing our things.
Speaker 1: But just know exactly what these the details are of
Speaker 1: what you're expected because that, yeah, what we were doing
Speaker 1: back then, that's that's production about that. Want to ask
Speaker 1: him about now when y'all did that's DJ? What y'all
Speaker 1: did that Martin? Um? Um he did. He was a
Speaker 1: DJ for Martin's death jam thing but prior to that.
Speaker 1: But when it goes more hear you did the thing.
Speaker 1: But that's kicking reason why when it goes no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened. We did a couple
Speaker 1: of different verses. The one like the first couple of years,
Speaker 1: that's me sounded like capri, that's me, gonna mind you
Speaker 1: know I came there to do it. Now, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was me, And I apologize comp I should have
Speaker 1: you know, I should have called to up. But that's
Speaker 1: what but that's what but then don't But it's like
Speaker 1: finding out But let me tell you what happened. You know, honestly,
Speaker 1: out of respect for Caprix, I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't sample him. We didn't sample him off the top,
Speaker 1: so and I knew I could imitate it. And second
Speaker 1: but then like after the second year, I was like, name,
Speaker 1: just want to go go, go puck a free voice.
Speaker 1: So that's probably when you were probably every one of
Speaker 1: them season when we just slipped them back in there. Man,
Speaker 1: so jet separation with because that's how dude first tour.
Speaker 1: He'll tell you this that he ever ever did was
Speaker 1: with us, ever ever did, because it was the time
Speaker 1: we said, yo, I wanted to DJs WHI and we
Speaker 1: tell abody living up to crowd the whole nine. But
Speaker 1: the only thing about him he refused to fly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the John Madden of DJs. That's so much. DJ
Speaker 1: College was like that, that's flying out right. I was tempted,
Speaker 1: But I don't think me being a part of the story,
Speaker 1: me being a part of a group, right, even though
Speaker 1: even though it's it's too us right, I'm componing Oriegi.
Speaker 1: You guys a kid and play. It's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to stick stick together when you grow apart. But you,
Speaker 1: you're still the same kids that you remember, Like how
Speaker 1: what is the worst worst part of kids? And play
Speaker 1: as your relationship as famous people because you're our friends.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, I think there's only there's only want
Speaker 1: to think of one. But that's not bad. It's not bad.
Speaker 1: I don't be talking about the airport. What happened to
Speaker 1: the airport? I think separate sep. I'm thinking about the
Speaker 1: time because if you were look at some of the
Speaker 1: times we started blowing up. We started doing interviews on
Speaker 1: you know, Fish Fight Coming Down and BT shows and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and all of a sudden, this guy
Speaker 1: starts wearing like he's right now dark shades. Everybody and
Speaker 1: the crew was like, yeah, we're over kid in the
Speaker 1: dark ship and you know, even in the light. You
Speaker 1: know what you said, that was a little odd. It
Speaker 1: was like a sign of black, like he was going on, Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you forgot this, this what happened we were flying back.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're saying. Well in AFOL he
Speaker 1: was liked be like, yo, maybe that should look back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, we're off, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to share a thing with him,
Speaker 1: nor get like that. But it's like, dude, which you
Speaker 1: forgot distress. That's what has When he was flying back
Speaker 1: to New York, I think from Los Angeles, man of
Speaker 1: fact and Jeff Christie was with a shout out to
Speaker 1: Jeff Christie and for something man I felt with a
Speaker 1: specific specific thing was but we know we was, we was,
Speaker 1: we were butting hands. I think we were waiting on
Speaker 1: the car and the car was coming and you said
Speaker 1: you gotta go here, and then this and that and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You don't remember we got
Speaker 1: into it and then and then you know, we had
Speaker 1: to get separated by Jeff Christie and you remember they
Speaker 1: were they were like fans like, oh my god, can
Speaker 1: you play your face? You don't believe that the black
Speaker 1: down that was like only time I could think of
Speaker 1: that was like a million freaking years ago. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: let me to tell you something. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: all a question, Right, do you realize how famous y'all? All?
Speaker 1: Though I don't, you don't And I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you. I'm not telling you what I think you
Speaker 1: want to hear. I really don't. And I'm kind of
Speaker 1: glad for that because you know, get the ego and
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff like that. But as
Speaker 1: just now, kind of recently, like last night, I was
Speaker 1: at the Black X, I mean Radio one b Expo,
Speaker 1: shoutout to Charisse Ma Malachi, and I did what I
Speaker 1: had to do, premiering a documentary about dancers and hip
Speaker 1: hop and all, and I go to hang out and
Speaker 1: the guy grabbed me in a yoke and won't let
Speaker 1: me go for like three minutes. It's Alan Iverson's just
Speaker 1: talking about how much an influence of my character men
Speaker 1: on him on being cool, and then other people in
Speaker 1: the business just coming going y'all. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: back then cats wouldn't tell you that, you know how
Speaker 1: we all did. And now as we gotten older and
Speaker 1: humble and appreciate life more, we come up to each
Speaker 1: other and say, Yo, you need to know what this
Speaker 1: meant to me. You know what I'm saying. So now
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to get it. Like I wasn't big on
Speaker 1: legend and icon and all that stuff. People, I tell
Speaker 1: him that I'm still working on it. Definitely pioneers, but
Speaker 1: like last night, I'm with Grandmaster Casts, and I'm with
Speaker 1: Cast that's living legend. But That's what drink champters about.
Speaker 1: And I just want to reiterate that that's that's what
Speaker 1: I saw that there was a lack of I feel
Speaker 1: like when the person when a person has ten, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen years in this game, we write them all as
Speaker 1: opposed to with rock and roll and and just celebrate them.
Speaker 1: They celebrate them, and I think all culture has to
Speaker 1: change change that. That's why a lot of people come
Speaker 1: to me and they want me to interview new artists
Speaker 1: about this artists because I just want to. I feel
Speaker 1: like they got the regular ratings about this industry. Man
Speaker 1: is one where ages m because you don't do it
Speaker 1: at the colors, you know, John, But when it comes
Speaker 1: to this, it's like wow, like really and it should
Speaker 1: be already in ages and doesn't go together to your point.
Speaker 1: I look, you know the young rappers they rolled upon
Speaker 1: us and they show us mad love if he either
Speaker 1: where if we're together or he's aout. All of them
Speaker 1: got me and they love and we appreciate it because
Speaker 1: but I just try to We just try to tell
Speaker 1: them to say, hey, man, we are are you know,
Speaker 1: our participation, you know, you know our work is kind
Speaker 1: of done, you know, we're either yeah, we're on that
Speaker 1: wall to whever you you know, wherever you want to
Speaker 1: put us. Now you got the ball, you got the bag,
Speaker 1: Now you got the football. What you're gonna do with
Speaker 1: You're gonna fumbling at the one or you untill gonna
Speaker 1: bears said. Okay, you said something that just bother me.
Speaker 1: You just said they don't have to and the thing
Speaker 1: about it as Kid, that's that's something that we got
Speaker 1: to take out of the culture. I think they should
Speaker 1: have to. I think that if if if a person
Speaker 1: is a two man group and a person has not
Speaker 1: reached the accomplishment of accolades, I think they should they
Speaker 1: should be asking you the time to throw the roses
Speaker 1: at your feet with time. We really got a guy
Speaker 1: for the show, is going for the show because we
Speaker 1: got you. I want to take this time personally on
Speaker 1: behalf of Kid and I to thank you because you're
Speaker 1: going through some things, you know how it goes in
Speaker 1: this joint of course, and I'm hearing this thing about
Speaker 1: Nori and his podcast, and I didn't know the name
Speaker 1: of it, but this thing has become the talk man.
Speaker 1: I mean on some breakfast club maybe hind all this
Speaker 1: and congratulations to y'all too really and you don't let
Speaker 1: no you look good. Seriously, man, we want because we
Speaker 1: just realized that this is the last thing. We realized
Speaker 1: that hip hop has to have a platform to salute
Speaker 1: hip hop. You know what I'm saying at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like our culture has to continue. And
Speaker 1: the older we get in this game, it should be
Speaker 1: like the tribes in Africa. The older you get, the
Speaker 1: more the more revere should you should be throwing. So
Speaker 1: you know, I know, we gotta rush because you guys
Speaker 1: are doing today. You got to make some noos. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: kids were quick jo. We love, we love, we love
Speaker 1: watching y'all. Advice to shout out to week no not
Speaker 1: big shout out man, we love, we love the show.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing now that we get to
Speaker 1: talk to you about it, and really they need to
Speaker 1: the whole mindset behind it, and it's perfect is right
Speaker 1: on time you're teaching the children, that's right anytime. So
Speaker 1: we just get to a pictures Thank you so much
Speaker 1: if you're apologize, okay, yeah, picture picture picture first. Who
Speaker 1: are you up? Dre Okay,