WEBVTT - #503 Packers Unscripted: Wild weekend 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:14.480 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.040 I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.120 West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.280 at lambeau Field, fresh off a weekend West that definitely 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:30.160 put the wild in wild Card. That was some quartet 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.080 of games. The up shot for the Packers, of course, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.879 is that with the Vikings knocking off the Saints and 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.760 then the Seahawks beating the Eagles, that sets up Seattle 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.120 coming to lambeau Field next Sunday for the divisional round 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.160 five pm Central Time. But as far as these four 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.919 wild card games go, where do you want to start? Well, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.640 first off, I want to start with up shot. I 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.479 gotta find a way to work that into my writing. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.279 I like that up shot. I'm gonna find a way 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.480 to get one of my stories this week. So I 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.680 basically watched every single one of these games, uh for 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.840 you know, basically beginning to end the entire way. My 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.480 number one takeaway was that crowd out there that's like, hey, you, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.760 if you play in the wild card round, you can 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.400 build momentum for the playoffs. Those were four ten twelve 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.920 round slug fests in all of those games. If one 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.280 of these teams, whether it be the Texans, Titans, Vikings, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.280 or Seahawks, end up going on a Super Bowl run, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.920 my hat goes off to them. But they all I 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.920 thought left a piece of themselves on those fields because 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.559 of how tightly contested, especially the first three were um 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.400 and then certainly the Eagles always being within scoring range 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.280 of the Seattle Seahawks. I did say, I just want 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:41.600 to put this out there. I'm not trying to pat 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.800 myself on the back. What happened in the Titans game 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.959 is what played out. If you would have told me 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.480 over under on thirty carries for Derrick Henry in that game, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.200 I would have said over if the Titans were gonna 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.560 have a chance to win this game, they played did 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.040 their strengths, the New England defense that have been so 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.920 stout all year long, they just did not have an 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.080 answer for trying to get down within three yards of 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.040 the line of scrimmage, and you know the Patriots, you know, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.640 get get bounced from the playoffs. I thought the Texans 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.280 showed a lot of adversity and grit to be able 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.680 to push through that game against the Bills, especially coming 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.400 on in the second half the way they came on 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.760 in the Minnesota Vikings. Folks, I know there's a lot 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.600 of Packer fans that you know, some might have been 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.840 cheering for him because they wanted the Saints out of 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.320 the playoffs. The other half might have been cheering against 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.440 him because their Minnesota Vikings. But that team, when Dalvin 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.960 Cook is playing, is a different football team. And he 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.520 was healthy, he was arrested, and he made his presence 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.320 felt against the seat or against the New Orleans Saints 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.600 team that just couldn't get its run game going. Well. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.120 I think that's the game that obviously interest Packers fans 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.440 the most, is the Vikings going into the super Dome 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.720 in New Orleans. And I said last week, the Vikings 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.760 gave themselves a week off. They gave they took Week 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.160 seventeen when they had nothing to play for. They gave 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.079 themselves a chance to regroup and to reset. You said it, 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.480 Dalvin Cook is back. The other game is back is 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.120 Adam Thealen Because we saw even though he played in 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.320 Week sixteen, the Monday night game against the Packers, Adam 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.240 Theland still wasn't really back to his old self. You 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.560 could tell by the way he was running routes and whatnot, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.480 and that wide receiver he comes back from the fumble 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.440 on the game's opening possession. Yeah. Absolutely, and then he 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.560 got called for like a very questionable I thought holding 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.800 call that wiped out a nice run for the Vikings. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.680 Things were not looking good for Adam Theland early in 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.600 the game, and then he just made clutch play after 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.480 clutch play as this game evolved, and then he's the 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.800 guy who makes the big catch deep down the field 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.960 in overtime. I thought, what the Vikings showed. I agree 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.640 with you. I think all these teams that won these 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.040 twelve round bouts they had left something of themselves on 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.080 those fields. But I gotta tip my hat to the 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.640 Vikings because Mike Zimmer even said last week, Hey, nobody 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.280 gives us a chance to win this game. And the 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.200 one thing that I thought over anything else that gave 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.960 the Vikings a chance answers that they essentially were taking 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.480 a bye week into the playoffs. They got a chance 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.520 to rest and reset their guys, and I think that 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.600 made a huge difference because they had to withstand a 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.920 big Saints charge in the fourth quarter. They did. The 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.920 game goes to overtime, and then on the opening possession 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.160 of overtime, they didn't let Drew Brees get the ball back. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.680 So a couple of things here. The first thing, if 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.840 I'm gonna point out that the Titans end up doing 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.520 what I thought they were going to do against the Patriots, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.080 I have to point out that I was wrong about 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.080 the vikings, and that is that I thought Kirk Cousins, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.520 coming off of that performance that he had against Green Bay, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.599 he would need to play. He needed to be able 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.800 to get that that tune up fight to be able 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.680 to feel good about himself again. And let's be honest, Mike, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.839 even if he would have played against the Bears, and 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.400 even if you have played well again, as I said 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.560 in my preamble here, the team is just different when 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.320 Delvin Cook's playing, when Madison is playing in that backfield 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.719 is moving the ball the way they are. And that's 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.840 not to say that Kirk Cousins doesn't matter. There were 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.159 certain parts of that game him where he made some 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.719 pretty clutch throws that that helped them get that win. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.800 But Delvin Cook is the steam engine that drives this 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.640 team and drives this offense, and I thought that was 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.160 arguably the best performance I've seen from the Vikings defense 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.120 this entire season with how they were able to You know, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.640 there was some trickeration there that they had to weather 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.440 with Taysom Hill, but you know, as much emphasis and 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.560 I know Taysom Hill is really fun to talk about. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.880 The New Orleans Saints aren't thirteen and three because of 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.960 here's all the cool stuff that Taysom Hill can do. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.360 Their thirteen and three because of Michael Thomas, because of 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 Drew Brees and Teddy Bridgewater, Uh, you know, and then 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.240 obviously the biggest one being Alvin Kamara. None of that 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.839 was going for them in this game. Thomas had seven 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.560 catches for seventy yards, but wasn't the impact player you've 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.120 really grown accustom to him being. And Alvin Kamara, I 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.680 actually thought that was kind of a disservice that they 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.640 did him by not getting him the ball. More. It's 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.359 fun to get Taysom Hill out there. He made some 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.040 cool plays, but I think it's some part of that 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.279 game they sort of lost what their identity was and 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.000 despite being at them, they couldn't find it. Yeah, that 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.640 I thought Minnesota's defense really was impressive, especially when you 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.440 look at the first half. The Saints go into halftime 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.400 with ten points, but the only significant play they made 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.200 on offense was Taysom Hill throwing the deep pass down 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.280 the field to to set up the one touchdown him 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.360 the field goal right and the fumble gave the field 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.760 goal early on where the Vikings defense rose up in 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.240 the red zone to get that to get that stop. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.960 Drew Brees definitely was was finding some things and finding 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.440 a rhythm in the fourth quarter, but then obviously the 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.200 Vikings made the big play to disrupt that rhythm with 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.279 the sack fumble when the Saints had just gotten to 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.599 the twenty yard line. They were down three at that point, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.280 but there was the amount of time on the clock. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.280 You're thinking, boy, they go in and get a touchdown 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.680 here they go up four, and then they really kind 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.640 of turned the screws on Cousin to say you have 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.160 to respond. The Vikings get the turn over there, and 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.600 then when the Saints got their last chance, they really 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.400 only had time to get into position to kick the 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.960 field goal and get get it to overtime. So that turnover, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.080 that red zone turnover by by Breeze, I thought was huge, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.680 But I have to ask you because it's what everybody's 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.320 talking about. Of course, in the overtime the touchdown passed 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:15.160 to Kyle Rudolph, it was reviewed very quickly for potential 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.280 offensive past interference on Rudolph pushing off on the defender. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:23.240 Would you think I thought he pushed off obviously, and 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.520 he's a bigger say, I mean, you're six ft six, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.000 six ft five tight end going up against the defensive back. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.440 You're going to have that advantage. Was it egregious? No? 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.080 But I thought it was a push off. Now that 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.840 all that being said, this everybody holding their breath afterwards 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.560 to see if New York was going to review this. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.040 We've watched this movie several times now, and I get 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.360 the Superdome was incredulous and they were upset, and they've 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.520 had a lot, They've had three straight years of losing 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.280 on the final play of the game. So to throw 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.640 the garbage, I can't. I can't excuse that. But to 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.920 to be surprised it wasn't called and then it wasn't reviewed, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.840 I mean, come on, we know this by now. One 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.240 thing I'm gonna disagree with. I was watching one of 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.440 the pregame shows, or when it was the postgame show. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.640 I think it was on Fox, and I think it 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.840 was Jimmy Johnson. If I'm wrong on this, excuse me, 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.920 But Jimmy Johnson or somebody had said, you know, be 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.520 better that the officiating doesn't matter. I actually don't agree 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.440 with that. This game. That's that that that's a tough 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:29.000 take to swallow. There's a Division One football subdivision teams. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.760 This isn't Alabama laying a stinker against you know, Louisiana 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.240 Monroe or something like that. All these teams there's You're 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.599 gonna get tightly contested games. There's just not going to 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.880 be blowouts. It's just not the way when you get 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.600 to the very cream of the crop, it's not gonna 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.360 work out that way. The officiating needs to be on 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.640 par with that, and it needs to be officiated the 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.680 way the rules are intended for them to be officiated, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.440 whether or not they like it or not. That is 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.280 the rules this season, Mike and I have I can't 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.960 tell you any other time in NFL history where I 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.920 can remember an amendment being made to the rule book 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.760 and then in that first season just a total, like 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:11.600 since the very beginning, just a total ignoring, ignoring of that. Yeah, 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.520 this is what I'll tell you, I don't know if 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.079 you've read my inside or Inbox column from this morning yet. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.600 If you haven't, that's okay. We just got we just 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.360 got to work. Um. But I'm going to reiterate what 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.439 I said there because to me, to me, what defined 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.560 the decision is what nobody's really talking about, or at 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.880 least it wasn't part of the explanation from the league. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.600 And what I mean by that is the Saints defender 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.920 never turned around, never turned his head, was not playing 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.439 the ball, was only playing the man. And if you extrapolate, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.839 you know, look at this from the bigger picture, sinse 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.280 a defender who never turns his head and makes contact 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.560 with the offensive guy some sort of restrictive contact, he's 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.560 going to get the dp I flag every time. Right. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.040 So I think there's a I think there's a there's 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:05.320 a natural transition here to say, well, we're not going 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.240 to bail out a defensive player who doesn't turn his 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.760 head just because the offensive guy made some contact, right. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.600 I think if the Saints defender, and I apologize for 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.360 forgetting exactly who it was, but if he turns his 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.680 head in any way and Rudolph shove is into his 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.320 say his shoulder or into his back. Then I think 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.560 there's a there's a decent chance maybe that that offensive 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.760 past interference flag falls. But because he had his back 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.600 to the play the whole time, he never knew where 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.000 the ball was. I think I think New York just 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.120 said we're not going to bail that guy out. That's 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.240 just that's that's my opinion. Do you think that was 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.160 actually their justification for it? I wonder that. I think 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.040 you make a really good point, and I think it's 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.800 very astute. I think curious that they actually thought that 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.840 within the thirty five seconds wherever that they made that 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.680 decision what I I don't I don't know that, and 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.280 I don't know if I would necessarily speculate that. But 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:01.719 but I think my overall point is that I think obliminally, subconsciously, 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.520 just looking at how the defender was defending the play, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.840 they're not interested, you know, They're they're they're like, well, 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.839 you know, he he wasn't making the play on the ball, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.720 you know, So that to me, to me, I think 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.600 that played into the decision, whether whether it was verbalized, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.040 whether it was actually processed mentally that way in the 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.600 thirty five seconds, as you said, I don't really know, 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.680 but but just based on the way these calls are made, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.360 I think that was part of I think that's a 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.720 heck of an answer. I think that's a really good 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.480 theory that you have. I really wish somebody would have 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.240 told the New York Office, hey, let's go with that, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.199 because there's a real part of it. There's a big 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.480 part of me that still doesn't even believe they thought 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.200 on that level. But no, and and and you and you. 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.720 Maybe you may be absolutely right and I'm not right, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.960 and I'm not going to I'm not going to disagree 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.520 with that. The other thing I will say because another 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.840 one of my initial thoughts right when had happened. Kevin Seaffert, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.520 who we know from SPN dot com and he was 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.800 a Vikings beat reporter for a long time. He's now 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:08.079 a national writer and he's he's covered these officiating issues 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.240 over the years for ESPN. He's done an outstanding job. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.600 And I was following his Twitter account yesterday during you know, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.920 throughout really throughout the weekend with the playoffs, and he 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.280 brought up right after basically as that was going to 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.400 review that in the first two weeks of the season, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.360 an offensive past interference flag was dropped from New York 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.800 off of a review three times. One of those was 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.800 at Lambeufield Packers against the Vikings. We all know that 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.080 took a touched on away from Minnesota after week two, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.520 which is when we know everything changed and how they 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.520 were looking at this stuff. An offensive past interference flag 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.360 was dropped from New York once the rest of the season. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.200 So what do you think. I mean, the odds just 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.520 weren't that good to begin with, that they were gonna 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.160 that they were going to overturn that touchdown with offensive 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.240 past interference. And then my additional point is the fact 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.480 that the defender was playing the play the way he 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.840 was did not certainly did not increase New Orleans odds 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.360 at all of getting that call. That's that's kind of 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.080 where I stand. We'll move because I want to talk 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.000 about Seattle here, but I want to ask you this question. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.120 Have you ever driven an old car before? I'm an 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.480 old car driver. I've never actually bought a new car. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.240 I don't know if you've ever been through this. Sometimes 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.400 when the check engine light goes on, you bring it 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.760 into the shop. Sometimes you just admit defeat and you're like, 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.000 I'm just gonna ride this thing out until it doesn't. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.440 I really believe that's where it got to this season. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.760 Just let it stay on, get through the year. We'll 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.360 bring it to the shop and try to figure it 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.000 out in March. But maybe at this point it's an 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.120 incredible thing that Kevin points out that there would be 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.280 that many because that flag against green Bay or for 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.040 green Bay, that would never right. Exactly, that's the thing. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.280 It happened three times in the first two weeks of 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.960 the season, and starting Week three through the end of 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.559 the regular season, only once did they throw on offensive 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.400 passe in reference flag from New York. So I think 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.240 that's important to keep in mind as far as the 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.280 context of how all this evolved. But the Seattle Seahawks 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.680 West are coming to lambeau Field. It will be the 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.520 fourth postseason meeting between the two teams. The Packers won 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.760 the two thousand and three NFC Wild Card Game on 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.760 the Al Harris pick six in overtime. The Packers won 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.400 the two thousand seven NFC Divisional Game, the Snow Globe 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.840 Game with Ryan Grant and the two hundred plus rushing 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.440 yards and three rushing touchdowns, and then of course the 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.440 Seahawks won the two thousand fourteen NFC title game and 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:32.320 overtime with the big fourth quarter comeback. So there's a 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.680 lot of playoff history here between these two teams and 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.680 a lot of drama, a lot of bad feelings of course, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.560 certainly with what happened five years ago, and then you 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.280 throw in the failed Mary from seven years ago and 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.640 everything else that goes along with it. But um, but boy, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.640 this is uh. It's gonna be one heck of a matchup. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.080 It's gonna be great, it's gonna be a lot of fun. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.600 I think there's enough storylines going into this that ultimately 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.760 it's it's gonna really propel this to be in the 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.680 marquee matchup the divisional round of the playoffs, and I'm 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.080 excited for it. Kind Of like I said last week, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.560 with New Orleans and Minnesota, where they sort of became 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.120 honorary division rivals, that's kind of basically where Seattle and 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.600 Green Bay is, uh, in terms of just they've seen 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.479 each other so often over the years, regular season, postseason, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.880 what what have you? And for I have so much 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.920 respect for John Snyder, Pete Carroll, what they've built in 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.840 Seattle and how they've been able to sustain it. So 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.240 much of it reminds me of the Ted Thompson approach. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.320 I know the front office structure is a little bit 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.840 different than what Green Bays was, but you know, draft 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.600 and develop and when there's holes, fill it in. And 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.840 they did that this year with Jadeveon Clowney coming in 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.120 and you saw the impact he had on that game. 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.040 And you know, I think there's a lot of parallels 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.920 you can draw between the way he plays and how 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.120 he's utilizing what the Packers are doing with sa Darius 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.640 Smith right now. But like the very beginning, how it 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.680 always has come down to when the chips are down 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.240 and your top three running backs are injured. They lost 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.520 their tight end that was pretty good early in the season. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.840 It needs to be back on Russell Wilson, and in 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.520 a game in which both teams were incredibly banged up, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:05.280 uh Philadelphia almost historically so goodness, Russell Wilson put the 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.880 game in his hands and they won the game because 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.520 of Russell Wilson. Now the last few weeks, so I 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.880 think that's a big supreme challenge for them. But you 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:18.680 look at it, it's a really interesting dichotomy. They're right 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.520 where Seattle was down all of its running backs. Philadelphia 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.800 was down all of its receivers. You put those two 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.320 teams together, you might have a pretty good skill position. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.920 But they leaned on DK Metcalf, they leaned on Tyler Lockett. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.960 It's gonna be a fantastic matchup here at Lambolefield on Sunday. Yeah. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.880 I want to ask you a couple of other questions 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.040 with regards to that Eagles Seahawks game in just a minute. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.880 But select Cousin Subs locations are now offering delivery. Whether 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.400 you're ordering catering or your favorite sub, they're delivering right 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.880 to you when you order online at Cousin Subs dot com. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.680 Cousin Subs, we believe in better. Okay, the clowney hit, Yeah, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:59.120 what do you think? I didn't like it? I see 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.720 why it wasn't hauled. Um. The reason I didn't like 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.680 it is I think there's a I understood the poor 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.920 report in that Wins didn't give himself up, but there's 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.439 still certain protections that you are allowed as a runner, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.160 regardless of what your position is, and I don't feel 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.560 like he properly received those on that play. I can't 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.320 get into jadeveon Clowney's head. I don't know why he 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.119 really high to the body. I get the idea that 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.879 he had to make sure that that guy was down, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.639 but Carson Wentz was fairly defenseless at that point in time. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.040 It sounds like it was a concussion. It could have 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.840 been much worse with where his face mask hit. You 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.080 think about the cervical issues that players have had in 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.440 this league. I did not like it. Um I thought 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.520 it was it's a bang bang play. Yeah it is. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.680 It's it's it's a bang bang play. What I didn't 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.560 like about it at all was that when you look 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.000 at it, and I realized when you see it in 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.080 slow motion, you know, everything is magnified. But it just 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.320 it looked like Clowney was com leading with the helmet. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.440 There was There was nothing as far as reaching out 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.240 with the arms to try to make a grab or 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.800 lowering the shoulder to make a hit. It was nothing 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.760 like that. It was all. It was all about the helmet, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.400 and that's exactly the type of hit that they're supposed 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.040 to be legislating out of out of the game. And unfortunately, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.080 UM I hope, certainly hope Carson Wentz is going to 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.600 be okay, But unfortunately that hit had a major impact 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.400 on a playoff game. Yeah, in a court of law, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.800 I think you can make the argument that Clowney was 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.200 trying to get a shoulder in there. But even let's 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.320 say that that is the best case scenario and all this, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.800 I still don't like hitting a player that high on 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.480 his body when he's compromised in that position. I just 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.520 think there's so many other ways that you could approach 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.320 that you could have tried with the angle that he 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.159 took on him. You could have went over his body. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.960 You could have just tried to lead with the hands. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.240 But the facts as they are, it did not look good. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.960 It looked like a helmet leading another guy's helmet directly 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.399 into the turf. In two thousand nineteen, that's just not 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.399 going to play again. You know, I'll sit here and 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.359 I'll criticize officiating and that one. You gotta see it 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.760 because it's there and then it's over and there's no 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.280 replay of it. So obviously they felt like it was 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.040 just a a you know, a normal play. Wentz gets 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.760 back up, if he stays down, maybe things get affected 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.320 a little bit, but yeah, not not a good look. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.240 And um, yeah, it was, in my opinion, a regrettable 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.200 moment of that football. Otherwise really good football game. Yeah. Well, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.520 I'll reiterate what I've been saying for years that if 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.800 the league had just decided to make all these safety 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.920 rules reviewable by replay, we could have a little bit 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.719 more I think, just decisions that are made on on 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.679 these type because you, like you just said, they have 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.520 to call it, they have to call it in real time. 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.320 It's a bang bang play. I get it. It's not 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.040 easy to do. I'm not saying that it's an easy 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.760 call to make on replay. I think you get a 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.800 little bit better look at exactly what happened. But the 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.959