1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Black Effect Presents features honest conversations and exclusive interviews, 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: a space for artists, everyday people and listeners to amplify, elevate, 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: and empower Black voices with great conversations. Make sure to 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: listen to The Black Effect Presents podcast on I Heart Radio, 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast it. What's 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: up to Man Carlos Miller of the eighty five South 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Show and do mental Favors. Make sure you check out 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: The Black Market, hostly by Me only on the eighty 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: five South Show. 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I'm Nina Turner, hell raising 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: humanitarian sister in the struggle and recovering elected official Listen 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: to Hello Somebody every Thursday on the Heart Radio app, 21 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. My next 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: guest is an industry decision maker. His name is Carlos King. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: One of my favorite people and we've never met. He's 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: an executive producer and found of Kingdom Rain, Kingdom Rain 25 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Rain Rain, Kingdom Rain Entertainment. He's also known as the 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: King of Reality TV. Carlos is one of the most 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: sought after executive producers and reality TV. With over ten 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: years under his production belt, King, as Carlos King, has 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: quickly created a niche for himself and the docu soap arena. 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: He has produced high profile programs such as eight seasons 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: of The Real Housewives of It To, which we all 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: know is a niche in itself, season twenty five Oprah. 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, his production company, Kingdom Rain Entertainment has 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: created such shows A Style in Hollywood for Netflix, Love 35 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: and Marriage, hunt Field, one of my favorite shows on 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: on Hollywood Divas which on TV one, just to name 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: a few. He recently this is not read about him, 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: but you know, my boy, you know I ready variety 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: of magazine. You know he first looked deal with you 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: know when you get a variety, you know they're talking 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: about don't talk about money variety. No broke people appear 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: variety and listen's in the back sex, he was on 43 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: the front Sex. He's on the front page where it 44 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Well developed original unscripted series for their own network. I 45 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: always tell people, how do you build your dreams? Well, 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: let's find out how. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation. 47 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: A return visit for the time of the brilliant one, 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Mr Collins King, how are you doing to call us? 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm well, thank you so much for that greatness abduction. Well, 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: first of all, call us you know, um, watching your 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: work is is uh is my introduction to the world 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: because of the fact that we get for the first 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: time we see it. Now we can talk and find 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: out how does that mind work? Putting any other these 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: projects because you're dealing with people's lives and it's really impactful. 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: In some ways. These are unscripted, and so you have 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: to kind of like set the scene like I think, uh, 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Larry David or HBO kind of has an unscripted show 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: where people walk in the kind of set up the scene. 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: But it's from a comedy perspective, so you know that direction, 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: so you could be throwing some curves when you're developing 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: these shows. So talk about the process to my viewers 63 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: and listeners in the world of reality. Yeah, well again, 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. And no, it is true when 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: you're dealing with real people and you're producing a reality show, 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: it's very challenging because you really are following the reality 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: of their life and off the time. That means the good, 68 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly. And that's the reason why 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: my shows are so relatable is because we don't orchestrate 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: anything out of dramas sake. We do such a fantastic 71 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: job at the company to where we truly immerse ourselves 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: into the lives of our talent. And because it's such 73 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: bravery and courage for anybody to say, I want to 74 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: let cameras inside my household and into my life. That's 75 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: the privilege I don't take for granted. So because we 76 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: have to constantly make sure that the mental health of 77 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: these people are stable enough to really handle the conversation 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: they're having on camera and then deal with the after 79 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: effects of it when social media involved themselves. So it 80 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: is very challenging to produce. When you're doing a scripted show, 81 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: you have an actor, they're playing character. They get paid 82 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: to to to say what you wrote, and they get 83 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: paid to do the action that you directed. So it's 84 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: much easier in that sense, where in my case, I 85 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: have to follow real people who have real issues and 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: real story and become I'm so sensitive to them. I 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: make sure that we all work together to put on 88 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: a good shot. Well, one of the bigger storylines was 89 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: out of the love and marriage hunt Field. Like I said, 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: when you're talking about your scripted and you're talking about 91 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: this is not part of you know, you know because 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: all these when the when the story Because I just 93 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: recently interviewed that Kimmy and Maury Scott fantastic couple, first 94 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: time I interviewed them, and and they were just saying 95 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: they were all friends. And that's how you know, Melody 96 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: came to them with this great idea about the show, 97 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: and Martell and they all got together and they shot 98 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: about three pilots with you before it was finally picked up. 99 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: And along the way, this success, you know, this unexpected 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: drama comes out. It was just reality. Your reality shows. 101 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Guess what, you can't change what happens because it's real 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: and that was the relationship breakup of Melody and Martel 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: from a crisis management How do you look at that 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: and how did you kind of like hold it together 105 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,559 Speaker 1: respectfully and not try to explore it. Great question because 106 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: there's a fine line within that. And the main thing 107 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: that I did that a lot of other reality reality 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: producers don't do is I ask permission. First. I said, hey, 109 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: because you're telling me this is what you're going through, 110 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: are you comfortable sharing that on camera? Because my job 111 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: is to follow the reel. And what would be so 112 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: unfortunate is if the entire town knows about this infidelity 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: and you're on TV pretending you're in a great marriage, 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you are going to lose in the end because when 115 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: people watch reality TV, they want to see authenticity. So 116 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: the permission that I asked Melody and Martell was, if 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: you trust me to handle this story with tender love 118 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: and care, I promise you would come out of this 119 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: never fully exploited, and at the end of the day, 120 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: you courtesy of being transparent, You're going to affect a 121 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: lot of black households who are dealing with this issue, 122 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: and they will look to you as to what to 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: do right and what to do wrong, and all of 124 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're going to become the voice of this 125 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: topic and the voice of this topic because you know Melody, 126 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: you know she's come out of this as a uh 127 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: mom entrepreneur, you know, powerful, strong, Uh look fantastic and uh. 128 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes when I look at the show, I look 129 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: at Martel confused, this is my this is me talking 130 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: um angry, don't know the direction he wants to go 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: with his life. And so you, as a producer, you 132 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: see these things happening, do you give advice or do 133 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: you just let it play off and say, this is 134 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Are you comfortable what we're gonna do? 135 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Or do you ever offer advice to the individuals who 136 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: are playing out these real life characters? Carlos, Yeah, I 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: do live in a boat. So primarily I followed the 138 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: reality of what they're going through because because what I 139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: like for my audience to see again is the authenticity 140 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: of someone dealing with pain and joy. Right, So when Martell, 141 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: when you watch the show and you see Martell struggling 142 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: with light after divorce. Yes, I think a lot of 143 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: black men, specifically black men, and they may have stepped 144 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: outside of their marriage and their wives leave them. They 145 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: struggle with the realization that my infidelity ruined this, this 146 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: relationship that I adored and and and who am I 147 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: outside of being married to this woman who we were 148 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: a partner in all of this. And I think you're 149 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: seeing some regret or Martel's behalf. 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Well, 188 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that you said 189 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: it earlier about social media, because that's one of the 190 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: biggest churches and benefits of modern day success, you know. 191 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: But the reality TV it can be even worse because, 192 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: unlike a script, you're just playing a carec that's my 193 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: carrec they told me to write that, you know, where 194 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: realities show. How does social media work for you? And 195 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: how do you tell a talent because they are talents, 196 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, whether they playing themselves or not, they are 197 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: our talent. How do you recommend to talent that's playing 198 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: out a life that they can go to the grocery 199 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: store and she really is Mortel, you know, he, she 200 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: really is Kimmy, he really is more reaches, she really 201 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: is a teacher, teacher. All these people are going to 202 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the grocery store being themselves. So social media can be 203 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: very painful in the world of social media. Do you 204 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: encourage them to do social media or that's that's their 205 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: own thing. You walk away. They grown people, They deal 206 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: with it what they have to deal with it. I 207 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: discouraged them for reading the comments on social social media. Yeah, 208 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: I think you have to use social media what it's for, 209 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: and that's engagement, and that is promoting whatever vehicle you 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: have to to get the word out. And once he posts, 211 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: you leave right. You don't stay on the red because 212 00:12:53,679 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: the number one to say I can make is read 213 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: comments of what other people are saying about them. Because 214 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: what I've learned through social media, and I love social media, 215 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: but I learned this, the meanest comments get the most reaction. 216 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: So it's a game that people on social media are 217 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: playing in terms of how can I trump this comment 218 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: so that mind can get the most traction. In order 219 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: to do that, you have to get meaner and nastier, 220 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: and that can really affect so much mental health. So 221 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: I tell my reality stars, do not read the comment 222 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: because it will ruin your day. Yes, that will remain 223 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: me ruin your life if you just keep reading that 224 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: feed on a daily basis. But they don't started somewhere 225 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: else for you, not on we just talked about the 226 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: current success. When did you realize how did you get 227 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: into the game. You know, we've had this conversation before. 228 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: We have new listeners and new views, but I want 229 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: to talk because I want everybody wants to do what 230 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: you do. Calls okay, but again, you have a gift 231 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: and I tell people, you know, I was a sitcom 232 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: writer and believe there were more talented sitcom writers than me, 233 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: and I could tell there was a difference between just 234 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: like there's a difference between the Michael Jordan's and a 235 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: player who was drafted in the first round. Their talents, 236 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: and you have that special gift, that that certain I 237 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: what makes you so special? And I'm not saying that 238 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: in a negative way, but obviously you see things different. 239 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: Call os, why and how did that? How was it 240 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: introduced to you when you first got into reality television. 241 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: Because I was a kid who was sort of a 242 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: nerd going up to Detroit. I would watch endless hours 243 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: of television, which included everything from the Oprah Winfrey Show 244 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: to the local news two. I'm a kid watching the 245 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: datelin NBC like I was a student, uh, people, I 246 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: was a student of character. I was a student of knowledge, 247 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: and because of that, I thought I would become a 248 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: psychologist because I just love to get in the minds 249 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: of people and and really understand their behavior. So, because 250 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: I had all of that education growing up, when I 251 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: decided to major and journalism in college and minor psychology, 252 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: I took both um gifts that I had a journalism 253 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: and psychology and applied it to what I do today. 254 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: So when I got an internship at BT, I just 255 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: started to really climb the ladder and I got a 256 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,479 Speaker 1: job there, and I got offered to do a reality 257 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: show because my friends and the business knew that I 258 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: loved reality TV. And the first reality show I was offered, 259 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: funny enough, was The Real Housewife of Atlanta. It was 260 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: a brand new show in two thousand and eight, and 261 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: it was my first pray into reality. So when you 262 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: talk about a gift, I think it's the gift of 263 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: the fact that I studied people, so I know people, 264 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: I know behavior, and I know a star within five 265 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: seconds of talking to that awesome. But also, let's let's 266 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: talk about reality coming into it, because there was a 267 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: lot of negative about being that reality game. You know, 268 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't real, it was it was cheesy, it was offensive. 269 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the h a lot of the shows 270 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: are really aggressive, also show black women in a very 271 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: negative light. So how did you, being a guy who's 272 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: a fan of reality TV, how did you say? Did 273 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: you have a vision call us when you came on 274 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: board and say I'm not gonna do that type of 275 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: reality TV? This is why I want to approach you. 276 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: Talk about that whole approach of organizing, that thought process 277 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: of you coming into the reality game. Okay cool, I'm 278 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: with you. Okay cool. So when I got my star 279 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: in reality TV again, my first show was The Royal 280 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: Housewife in Atlanta, and obviously that was a very entertaining 281 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: show that had a lot of arguments and big fights 282 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: and things like that. Because that show wasn't produced by 283 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: a company that I started, I was a worker b 284 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: who followed the guidelines of how to produce that particular show. 285 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: And the moment I became the executive producer of that show, 286 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: a ship happened in my thought of let's make it 287 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: less about these cat fights and more about what's happening 288 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: inside the households of these people. So that the season 289 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: that I became the executive producer is the highest rated 290 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: season of that show to date. The moment that happened 291 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: is when I decided to start my company, Kingdom Rank Entertainment, 292 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: because I did have a consciousness of saying I know 293 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot of Black people who wanted the reality TV 294 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: but they think they have to sell their soul and 295 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: have a physical altercation to make that happen. And I 296 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: wanted to be the alternative to that. So when you 297 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: watch Love and Marriage Huntsville, for example, you see these 298 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: beautiful black people who are successful. That's only showing you 299 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: what really is happening in their lives, in their households. 300 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: And that show has become the number one show on 301 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: the network and there has not been a physical altercation 302 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: on that show. So that proves of people. When you 303 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: build something that is true to you, people will come 304 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: where it was. It was one that came close well, 305 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: I believe when the where the Martel was on the 306 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: patio with with Melody and he told her why she 307 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: why he cheated on her because she blah blah blah blah, 308 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: and she threw some many come on, call U the collum. 309 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: I had to shot out that scared y'all, call that 310 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: scared y'all? No, you are accurate. So was what what 311 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: was very tally about that bump man colors? You don't 312 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: tell no black woman come another woman does better. That's 313 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: where I got from it, and I think a lot 314 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: of men watch that show and said, I'm gonna keep 315 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: my mouth shut, dude to call us. When he said that, 316 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding me? Dude? Are you 317 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: really kidding me? In front of friends, Cameras are rolling, 318 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: and you're gonna see this to Melodie and she's not 319 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: going to react on this show. I saw that bad 320 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: when if I IF I you know, you know when 321 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: growing up calls you your your your parents are popping 322 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: in the back of the head. They should have popped 323 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: so one of you should have came out of the audience. 324 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: You should came out front the care and say, I'm 325 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: gonna tell them about do something that your parents did 326 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: to you when you was a kid. I'm a popular 327 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: in the back, your big dumb head. I laughed so, 328 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: but I also felt so bad because I went, dude, 329 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: you know that was that was uncalled for. But that 330 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: that's the closest you've come on that show. Because she 331 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: threw something. I swear to you she threw it for real, 332 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: She threw it in for real. She she has good aim. 333 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: I'll say that, Well, the beauty of you callers is that, 334 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, Oprah Winfred you said early in your conversation 335 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: that you watched The Growing Up. And I'm gonna just 336 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: share an example of me. Sometimes when you get in 337 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: the position, you meet stars or you and you kind 338 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: of like pull back a little bit. You feel like 339 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: in the rain though I don't really belong here, this 340 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: really happening to me. And then you realize, hey, this stop, stop, 341 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: stop all that ignorance. It is happening to you because 342 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: your work has put you there. Just happen to you, 343 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: because the respect has put you there. It's happening to 344 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: you because you're supposed to be there. When did all 345 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: that coming to you? Because because I know you, we 346 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: share similar qualities, so we've of for a humble you know. 347 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: I come from a nerdy background, you know, and and uh, 348 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: some people I tell people I was shot, and look, 349 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: you never shot where It's just I was, you know, 350 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Yes I was, Yes, I was, you know, And so 351 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: I just had to fight through it and then realized 352 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: that my opinion mattered in my opinion matters, then you 353 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: have to tell people what your opinion is and that's 354 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: who you are. So when you elevate yourself to do 355 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: this behind the scenes for Oprah, what were your thought 356 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: process and where did you come to coming to to 357 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: introspective about yourself as a talent and where you're at 358 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: in that point of your career. You know what was 359 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: so interesting is I'm a man of faith, and I 360 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: believe in prayer, and I believe and and and just 361 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, believing in God and praying to Him. So 362 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: to be a kid watching Oprah with erea show and 363 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: then decade later having the opportunity to I tell people 364 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: all the time, I got paid to follow her around, Right, 365 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a good job. I So the moment 366 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: I was around her to me gave me the the 367 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: confirmation that God was saying to me, I want you 368 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: to see what's possible and and and I want you 369 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: to shadow a woman you look up to, a black 370 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: billionaire because I am seeding the steps in terms of 371 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: how I see you being. And I took that as 372 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: a way of saying, I now know what I have 373 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: to do, and that truly, truly, truly truly gave me 374 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: the permission that I needed from my internal self to 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: say I can do this because I saw someone else 376 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: do it. And then a couple of years after that, 377 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: I had to um follow Toller Perry in the same 378 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: way when he got to the own network and I 379 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: had that same conference. We need people you're posited. Carlos 380 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: can say they follow open Land Free and Tyler Perry 381 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: like not everyone can say that. 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Well, you know 413 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: the interesting thing when I when I listened to you talk, 414 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: and if we are if everything is a journey and 415 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: you know that call us, you know, because we all dream, 416 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: we all hope, we prayed, and but it's the work 417 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: ethic and then it's what you've been given. Because each 418 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: network has a different budget. A lot of people you 419 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: would love to think you work with the same budget 420 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: on TV, wanna Netflix or on a b et they 421 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: all have different budget, but you have you still have 422 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: to deliver a first class project. So how do you 423 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: work with the budgets on that the that are given 424 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: to you? And then how do you assess? How do 425 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: your staff and you know, do you call in favors? 426 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't take care of your on this and 427 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: come come take care of me on this? How that work? 428 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: Because billing your brain is about relationships. I know that 429 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: for a fact, and relationships have helped me when I 430 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: when when I've transitioned in my career. Relationship about helping you. 431 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: But now you're the guy who who you you're the 432 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: hip maker. Now you're the hip maker, so people expect 433 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: you to get when they come to you, to get paid, 434 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: So those little requests they actually won't. Hey man, I remember, 435 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: remember me when I took care of you? So how 436 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: does that work with you? Because now you have a 437 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: first looked deal with own and that qualifies you as Ah, 438 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate man when somebody say, look, we're just 439 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna give you a deal to create shows, and that's 440 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the blessing of your journey. So talk about that when 441 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: you when it was approached to you, and what were 442 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: the first thoughts that ran through your mind when Owned 443 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: said here's the first look, first look deal for you 444 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: and your company, Kingdom Rain Entertainment. It was It was 445 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: magical because my company became what we called the business, 446 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: a full service production company, which means that the buck 447 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: stops here. Yes we know, we don't have a co 448 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: production with another like everything begins and ends with Kingdom 449 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: Rank Entertainment. So to have that within the first year 450 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: of launching the company is nothing but God's favor on 451 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: my life. So I needed that in order to show 452 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: the marketplace right that I am the little engine that could. 453 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: This black man who owns his own company has the 454 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: has the respect of Oprah Winfrey of saying, I want 455 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: you to create shows for my network. So when you 456 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: talk about budgets with other networks, yeah, you have to definitely, 457 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: you know Rob Peter to you know, give Paul and 458 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: all those things because you know, you have to use 459 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: what's given to you and that can be challenging. And yes, 460 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: you have the call in favors from people who you 461 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of grew up within the business. Like you said, 462 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: relationships are key, so I have Yah. Well, the beauty 463 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: of you, my friend, is this. You know, you You're 464 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: You're master the world. I can't do you know, And 465 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: and that's a good thing because like I said, you know, 466 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: it means you're you're creating a brand. And all the 467 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: years of working with different projects, which one challenge you 468 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: the most. I'm talking about not a negative challenge, but 469 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: production wise and creatively And you went, Wow, that was 470 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of work, man, But I'm glad I got 471 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: it done. Which project of all the projects you've done 472 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: that really pushed you creatively and really test your personality 473 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: and your sanity. I think I said that right. I 474 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: think I got it really right. So you can say 475 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: a good response, okay. Uh. I had to show a 476 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: BT called BT Persons the Encore last week. We how 477 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: It Sees the Finality absolutely, and that was the most 478 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: challenging show to date of my career because I had 479 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: to it was a house reality t show and we 480 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: had thirty days to shoot a show twenty four seven 481 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: for thirty days of these former girl group members living 482 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: in a house together to form a supergroup, and you're 483 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: dealing with personalities and music and again it's around the 484 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: clock for thirty days. And that pushed me to a 485 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: place that I didn't know existed in terms of my 486 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: brain having the capacity to handle this. And and it 487 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: was such a good gift to to have um because 488 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: it allowed me to want to push things further in 489 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: the shows I'm producing. Well, it's interesting thing about it, 490 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: because you were dealing with some level of frustration with talent, 491 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, who felt that they should be bigger or 492 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: felt that they were wrong. And they see this and 493 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: some of them say yes to doing things, but they 494 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: don't want to do the work. You know. You know, 495 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: if that's the point that frustrate you, why are you here? 496 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Then well, you know, why are you wasting my time? 497 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna curry, but why are you wasting my time? 498 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: That's the part that makes you mad. Okay, you knew 499 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: what you were signing up for. Now you now you 500 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: gotta add to Okay, But the thing that really came 501 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: into players is COVID. You have to produce all these 502 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: shows under these conditions of testing and multiple testing. And 503 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: the beauty of seeing what Tyler Perry did. He he 504 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of like wrote the template by compile and put 505 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: a hotel on it, you know, and then imprison your 506 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: cast for two weeks and then send them off working 507 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: Twitter four hour day and set them all wrap twentter 508 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: four episodes. And so with that being the case, how 509 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: did it affect your production and how and what did 510 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: you what did you gain from it as a producer 511 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: call us listen, safety is first thing. You're dealing with 512 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: a global pandemic, So yes, we have to be multiple testing, 513 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: you know. Thankfully everyone was negative and we were able 514 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that our cast and crew was saved 515 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: for all the productions we have going on the Kingdom 516 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: rank Entertainment for that was the greatest thing about it 517 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: as well. But no, it allowed everybody to know that 518 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: there is a necessity for unscripted in this business because 519 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: my counterparts and scripted didn't I have the right to 520 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: to do this because it was such an expensive feed, 521 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: So un scripted we did. Now with that been saying, 522 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: my friend m a hit show when you do this. 523 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: This is my only favor. I asked, man. You know 524 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: whenever you do these things are rap shows or the 525 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: end of the season show. Just consider your boy is 526 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: one of your hosts. I come on in, man, you 527 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: you got you got the first look there. Just considered 528 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: the man in the suit. Well you know you watch 529 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: your shows called I come in and hosted. Man, I 530 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: know everybody in the cast, they know me and we'll 531 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: do our think. But man, love you by the day. 532 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. But I just want to tell you, 533 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: but I respect you. Man. One day we will be 534 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: but the beauty of what you do. Man, I so 535 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: respect and I and it's just the quality of work 536 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: and seeing you make this transition because at one time 537 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: reality was a bad thing. It was a bad thing, 538 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: was a very negative thing. And you've turned it with 539 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: your skill, with your eye and forced other people to 540 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: follow your lead. Thank you, Thank you call us for 541 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: doing that. Thank you so much. So I appreciate that. 542 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate. 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