WEBVTT - 5/30/25: Trump Tariffs Back On & Israel Sabotages Ceasefire 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.639 Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.280 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.880 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:08.800 the future of this show. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.800 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.320 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.120 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.680 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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Yeah, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.480 that's well, I was just recounting the travails of my face. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.320 That's all you missed so far. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:56.800 I know that story. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.720 So anyway, there's a lot to get to you this morning. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.400 I think what we're probably going to do. We're going 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.080 to go through the LEAs with the terraces, which are 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.000 like on and off again, and who knows what's going 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.760 to happen there. Ryan, have you just give it exactly exactly. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.480 We'll have Ryan give us big updates on Israel and 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.120 ceasefire negotiations and what's going on there. We've got some 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.800 new Zorah and Mondani pulling out of New York that 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.960 is looking interesting. I'm starting to I'm starting to believe 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.440 he could pull it off. What do you guys think. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.360 I'll never believe it until it happens. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:30.520 I believe it. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.800 And then and Cuomo will run like buffalo style in 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:35.640 the general election against him, So he's gonna have to 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.319 beat him twice. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.280 If what's the name of the woman, what's the name 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.319 of the woman? Forgetting her name? 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.120 Yeah, it's a buffalo mayor, that's right. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.440 I covered that so closely too. But in any case, 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:55.200 she beats the like corrupt incumbent, major underdog victory, grassroots 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.440 like people powered victory, and then they just turn around 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.600 and run this dude in the general elect Did he 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.160 run as a Republican or an independent, I don't remember. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:04.440 I think even a Republican. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.400 I think he did, and he's able to win in 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.480 the general. So I could see Quomo Pole in the 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.760 same and I think there's a good possibility it would work. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.160 There's no laws in New York City that would prevent that. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.119 Well, he already has a ballot line because New York 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.400 has like a hundred different parties and the Constitution Party 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.400 in this party, so he actually he doesn't even have 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.520 to do anything. He's and he's already on the ballot 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.680 for the general if he wants it. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:27.239 Damn, that's correct. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.280 Way a star is born was so wrong. But yes, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.000 he's been launched. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.360 Yeah, his first campaign when he ran for. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.360 Oh did you really? He was on my radar. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.160 He was part of this wave of DSA candidates who 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.080 won in the cycle after like AOC and the squad 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.080 one in twenty eighteen, and then this whole wave of 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.120 DSA candidates won state, Senate and state. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.440 I remember that council seats in twenty Yeah, I remember that, 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:53.160 and he was. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:53.919 One of them. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.639 DSA and also I'm sure Working Families Party back they had. Yeah, 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.880 they had a great a great eight track record, a 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.760 great like election season right in that in that era. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.560 So we'll do all that, I think probably then for 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.480 premiums we're going to do You've got the polster who 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.720 did the like Abundance Versus Populism poll. Yeah, we're going 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.960 to talk to you, which I'm excited about. I need 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.520 to take a look. Have you guys seen the Abundance 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.519 world criticisms of this poll, because I do want to 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.000 ask him about some of those, so I've got to 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:23.480 take a look. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.720 Yeah, so smart. Basically the criticisms are hilarious. One is that, well, 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.839 this is not electoral, it's not supposed to poll. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.800 Well, but they explicitly say like a political project. I mean, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.200 we've all I've asked Eric about that. I mean they're 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.520 you know, say that quite explicitly. So that's fine. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.680 And then they say whenever a somebody with an agenda 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.480 designs a poll, you can't trust it. And so what 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.960 they have the people who organized the poll said, okay, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.240 you like, look at the wording, like it's your wording. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.800 Tell us precisely how you'd like to do it, and 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.000 we'll redo it so we can talk to tell and 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.000 the polster about that, because they said, give us your words, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:04.080 you write another poll that is the most lopsided pro 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.360 abundance poll that you can think of, and we'll test it. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:09.200 Let's see. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.200 I feel that confident, Yeah, in the results, I mean, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.680 I think fairly so. And then this I've I've been 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.080 excited to have this conversation with the two of you guys, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.640 Ben Shapiro taking shots at the OVONN, I mean, listen, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.880 obviously it's because he's not happy with the OVONN being like, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.880 this is a genocide in Kaza and I have a 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.279 problem with it. But I do think some of the content, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.000 like putting that aside, some of the content of what 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.599 Shapiro said about the number of grown adults who aren't 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.520 acting their age, I thought that was kind of interesting, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.400 and I wanted to get your thoughts on if there's 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.040 any there there putting aside the like, you know, the 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.839 Israel bias, like that piece of it. So wanted to 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.880 get to that as well. But let's go ahead and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.640 start with what's going on with the tariffs. So last 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.799 week left off, the tariffs were off because the court 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.239 ruled this this what is it Court of International Trade 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:05.000 rule that the tariffs exceeded the powers of AIPA the 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.640 authority they were using to do the across the board 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:12.680 Liberation Day tariffs. Now we have another court that has 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.960 weighed that has said, listen, there's an appeal process that 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.200 is going to play out, and in the meantime, we 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.160 are going to reinstate those tariffs for now. So they say. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.400 A federal appeals court on Thursday granted the Trump administration's 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.400 request to temporarily pause a lower court ruling that struck 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.520 down most of President Trump's terariffs. Trump administration and early 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.640 told the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.480 it would seek emergency relief from the Supreme Court as 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.719 soon as Friday if the tariff ruling was not quickly 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.080 put on pause. So they are headed to the Supreme Court. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.000 There's one other piece of this I want to put 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.440 up before I get to start with Emily's reaction, because 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.359 I'm very interested in what you have to say about this. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.760 So Trump, in response to this starts tearing into the 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.880 Federalist Society, which is involved in vetting all of these judges, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.200 and specifically tears into Leonard Leo, the head of the 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.359 Federal Society, who is so influential in conservative circles and Emily, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:10.680 I know you'll be able to speak to that better 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.240 than anyone. Here's Snania's like commentary on this, which I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:15.880 also think is sort of a stude. He says, Trump 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.400 now denouncing the Federalist Society, saying he doesn't want their 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.480 judges anymore, pretty much the last tie to conservatism as 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.520 an ideology. We're getting judges from now on who act 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.599 like sickophants in the administration. But anyway, I won't read 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.000 this whole thing, but this is just him like really 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.159 going after Leonard Leo and calling them back room hustlers 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.520 and all these sorts of things. So Emily, tell us, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.120 you know, how is this being received in conservative world 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.560 and what is your view of the import here? 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.640 This is how a lot of conservatives actually feel about 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.920 Leonard leon now and I shall, oh, really maga conservatives. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.760 There's a difference between the sort of old conservative movement 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.200 that is still really loyal to the Reagan crew and 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.799 the Reagan years and the Reagan legacy, and then there's 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.480 Maga world, which has been frustrated, particularly by Amy Coney Barrett, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.200 sometimes by Brett Kavanaugh, and then also by some of 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.360 these lower judges, these lower court judges, and so it's 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.200 not really surprising that Donald Trump has had that planted 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.320 in his ear and that he would even like kind 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.720 of organically feel frustrated by that. It's just a matter 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.280 of time before that, you know, even boils over further. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.800 But it was interesting in that true Social Post because 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.640 he also says he doesn't even really think it's Leonard Leo's. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.920 Fault, So like he spends the first half of the 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.120 truth Social Post. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.240 Unloading on Leonard Leo and then being like, but actually, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.880 like these judges, it's these these judges are just a 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.440 complete and total disaster. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.640 So it was weird because. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.680 Nilla says they're communist judges. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.120 Communist judges, right, which certainly would have nothing to do 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:53.280 with Leonard Leo. So anyway, all that is say, it's 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.800 pretty like, I wonder where this goes from here in 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.600 conservative world because the Supreme Court all day the White 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.680 House yesterday was saying we're going to take this up 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.440 to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court we are utterly confident 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:07.559 will decide in our favor. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:08.720 Well, the Supreme Court. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.480 Donald Trump, when he says Leonard Leo helped him pick judges, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.000 he's talking about dozens and dozens of people in lower courts, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.200 but also the Supreme Court. Right, every single person on 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.760 the Supreme Court that is a Trump appointee or Trump 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.760 nominee was picked from the list that Leonard Leo gave 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:27.040 him in twenty sixteen in order to get conservative votes. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.239 That's the lore we go back to twenty sixteen. Trump 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.280 needs to get the support of the conservative movement before 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 the election, and so Leonard Leo gives him a list 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.680 of judges that he will pick, and Trump picks every 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.560 single judge and justice from that list. And so now 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.880 most of the Conservative majority is Leonard Leo Trump picked, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.120 and the White House is saying they have every bit 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:48.160 of confidence in them. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.679 So it's contradict it's a self contradiction. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.560 Of course, it's wild to think too. So first of all, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.160 I mean, I certainly would not surprise me it's a 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.320 Supreme Court upholds the decision that the tariffs exceed the 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:05.079 statutory authority. Because part of the federalist society was cultural 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.760 issues and part of it is being very pro business 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.319 and business is not excited about this terror regime. Would 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.480 not surprise me at all if that was the finding. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.520 I don't know. And also I just I mean, I 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.560 think on its face, it is a preposterate. It is 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.680 preposterous to imagine that you can as a executive claim 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.760 this much unilateral power for yourself when the power of 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.000 the person is so clearly busted in the Constitution with 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.200 the UH with the Congress. So putting that aside, it's 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.920 also ironic that, you know, back in twenty sixteen, right 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.200 after the grabber by the pussy fallout is happening, and 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.439 he's at risk of losing the evangelical right and there's 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.040 like a real, you know, potential split in the foundation 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.920 of his coalition. The way he shorees that up is 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.000 by putting out this list of like federalist society, like 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.440 here are the Supreme Court justices I will consider, like 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:57.760 I'm locking it in now. These are the people, and 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.240 they're your people. And that's a important part of how 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.640 he's able to keep his coalition together and secure victory. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.240 So it's wild to now fast forward to now and 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.240 see him going after them because they're not just doing 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.520 everything he wants them to do, you know. To Hanania's 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.520 commentary there, I agree and I disagree, because obviously Trump 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.200 is his own animal and is just like the cult 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.680 of Trump. But when you look at the primary accomplishments 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.440 that he has you know, effectuated an office, it's like 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.760 destroying the administrative state. That is a big you know, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.800 traditional Reagan type conservative goal. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.760 It was a big Leonard Leo goal. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.840 Actually, yeah, absolutely, you know russ vote is deeply steeped 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.040 in the conservative movement. Like this is not some rando 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.800 who hasn't been in Washington before. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:44.120 Right. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.800 And then the tax cut from the first administration, which 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.880 is the number one priority right now of the second administration. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.679 It was literally written by like Paul Ryan and the 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.480 Heritage Foundation, so it's always with him. It's like, well, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.400 there is there are differences, but also I don't want 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.200 to overstay the amount of break that Trump is that 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.719 Trump's administration in practice has represented from Republican administrations of 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.480 the past. Ryan, what do you think about that sort 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:09.720 of thing? 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:17.200 Yeah, this, like Trump is really going for a basically 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.440 a clean break, not a clean break from, but complete 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.560 domination over you know, all factions of Conservatism. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.560 Yes, that's the way to put it. So it's not 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:32.360 before necessarily an ideological break, but he wants complete domination over. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.760 I think that's the way the way to put it right, it's. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.880 Like, Okay, you evangelicals have this these politics, You fed 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.920 SoC people have these politics. You Chamber of Commerce people 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.000 have these politics. You America First or Jendie Vance types 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.680 have this going on. It's like you all serve me. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.840 And this is and trump Ism is what I say 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.400 it is, and that's that's how it's going to be. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.400 And so yeah, this because if if he gets his 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.600 tariffs shut down by the Supreme Court, that's a pretty 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:09.600 radical rebuke to him his policy and his domination over 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.800 the entire coalition. So he seems to be you really going. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.640 For it here, Emily. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:18.920 Oh sorry, I was just gonna say, I forget who 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.840 posted this this week, but someone posted like this is 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.440 Auderborough mob shit. And it's a really good way to 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.400 put it, because I think a lot of people try 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.600 to shoehorn what Trump is doing into an ideology, but 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.040 it's actually Trump is trying to sort of shoehorn. Trump 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.440 is trying to force the ideology of the right to 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.280 be deference to Trump and there are times where it 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.160 overlaps with the goal of russ vote or the goal 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.560 of lear Lee or whatever, but particularly Russ and you know, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.800 creating the unitary executive and restoring executive power and all 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.600 of that. But there are times when it's also just 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.559 like Donald Trump isn't overlapping with the ideological goal. Donald 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.600 Trump is just Roy Kohane as president of the United States. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:00.160 Yeah, that's right, Emily. You had pool duty yesterday and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.600 so you were there for all of you know, everything 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.719 there was to get out of this administration in terms 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.880 of the response to this court decision. Let me go 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.960 ahead and play a little bit here of Peter Navarro saying, listen, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.440 this pause and terrorists doesn't really change anything at all. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:18.040 These will not affect the negotiations in any way. You 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.559 have people out there in the world. Since we look 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.520 at the court decisions, the court was clear, as I said, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.200 that President has brought it forward the post hariffs. They 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:35.360 took issue with the particular statues be used. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.800 So there have been other indications too that they're going 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.280 to try to move forward in some way. You know, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.320 what did you make of those comments from Navarro and 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.120 from other administration officials as well. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:48.640 Well? 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.720 And that last part there about the particulars of the 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.920 statute from Peter Navarro is why the administration is projecting 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.840 utter confidence going into the Supreme Court. They feel like 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.440 they can, they feel like they're coitutional argument will be 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:06.320 like met with agreement from conservative Supreme Court justices, because 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.600 it's not quite as simple as just oh, you know, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.920 President doesn't have the ability to do this. But the 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.920 question that I kept trying to get in both at 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.439 the briefing and to Navarro, and it's just some kind 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.760 of luck thing. Some people are very skilled at getting 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.920 their questions asked, like their hands super loud, or they 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.280 if you talk to White House reporters about their tricks, 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.640 it comes down to like how they smile and make. 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.920 Real craft trying to get a drink. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:39.520 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Ingram knows what's up. So anyway, it 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.840 was the question is just if part of the problem 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.960 from this kicking through the court system is that it 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.680 creates complete uncertainty. Again, you can kill two birds with 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.360 one stone here and go through Congress, why would the 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.960 administration not pass the slate of tariffs or even like 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.000 a slightly reduced slate of tariffs through Congress, because then 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.960 that brings certainty to investors and it removes the problem 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.520 of the courts. But of course they know that they 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.720 can't pass these through Congress, they have no confidence that 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.720 they would be able to get you know, Ron Johnson 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.240 and the Susan Collins, they sort of hardcore fiscal conservatives, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:19.920 but also moderate conservatives. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.960 Even this is a perfect continuation what we were just 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:24.600 talking about. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.080 Even in the kind of cult of Trump era of 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.760 the Republican Party, tariffs are aligned too far for a 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.280 lot of traditional Republicans and moderate Republicans. So they're stuck 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.040 with having to as you have pointed out many times, Crystal, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.040 rely on Trump kind of waving his magic wand which 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.880 he definitely enjoys. But that's because it's actually this is 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.920 why Congress, why the founders delegated the power to Congress, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.600 because it's not supported by the representatives of the public. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.960 It's just supported by the president. And so it's a 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:55.800 huge problem. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.240 And the other reason why this is delegated to Congress 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.040 is the exact reason Trump doesn't want to have to 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.360 go through Congress, which is he wants people to have 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.840 to go and petition the king. And so if you 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.720 have some stable regime that has to be subject to 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.320 legislative branch scrutiny, then you take all the fun of it. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.560 In terms of what he actually wants to achieve or 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.280 not to mention, you know, all the like, oh, potential 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.720 development deals that can be thrown his way, or if 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.440 he wants to do a favor for Elon and make 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.080 sure they get Starlink or they're partnering with Palenteer or 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.360 whatever it is that's in his basket, you know, of 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.240 Goodie's wish list, then that becomes more much more difficult 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.640 to effectuate. If you're actually going through the legislative branch. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.400 And just ran you can respond to this, because I 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.240 think you might have thought. It's one of the questions 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.040 people were asking throughout the day is doesn't this destroy 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.800 your leverage? I mean, doesn't going through the courts destroy 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.080 your leverage when you're going to other countries. I mean, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.960 just yesterday Kevin Hassett was saying, they expect many, many 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.520 deals to be coming in the next few weeks. But 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.880 who's going to make a deal with you when they 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.440 don't even know whether the courts are going to block 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.480 your tariffs from being imp Absolutely so, right, I feel 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.280 like what leverage India? 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.240 I don't. I don't actually think that that's that's significant, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.240 that plays that significant of a role, because I think 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.560 the US has leverage because it's it's an economic superpower. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.080 At the same time, countries that were already reluctant to 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:28.280 strike deals with US because we just Trump just renegotiated 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.960 US MCA with Canada and Mexico just a couple of years. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.360 Ago, right, and then just already tearing it up and. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.280 Completely abrogates it. The United States cuts an around deal, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.399 they abrogate it, then they're talking about going back into it. 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.960 Like so the idea. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.320 Ties into Israel and Moss as well, Yeah, make some 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.040 you know, claims with a mass and then totally turns around, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.520 does something different when they talk to Israel. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.760 So the courts are like the seventieth wild card thrown 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.919 into a deal with the United States, which is just 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.640 becoming like a completely arbitrary and capricious country, and other 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:04.119 countries are trying to move move away from it, you know, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.399 just real quickly on the Yeah, my take on the founders, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.480 it's like they never really even thought of the president 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.720 as making policy at all, Like that was supposed to 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.520 come from Congress, and tariffs for the first hundred plus 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.280 years of the US were a were major policy. It's 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:26.760 like where huge portions of our federal revenue came from 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.919 once we once we kicked in an income tax, and 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.600 we had a federal reserve, like the economy and the 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.639 and the treasury were run, you know, with tariffs as 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.560 a real kind of side show. And so that's why 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.159 Congress then delegated, you know, the kind of moving of 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.920 the dial to the executive because the policy was already 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.200 set in place. What Trump's doing is a brand new policy. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:55.000 It's like, it's like bringing tariffs back to a central 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.879 place in our economic policy making like they were in 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:03.120 the nineteenth century, and that you can't do unless Congress 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.480 allows you to do it, would be the argument. It's 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.600 just all power though, So. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.080 Yeah, no, that's right. I wanted to highlight this just 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.959 to kind of put it on all of our radar. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.399 Arnot Bertrand was highlighting these deals that are being struck 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.040 outside of the US to your point, Ryan about how 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.800 we're just like this rogue nation at this point and 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.480 every other country is just figuring out how to adapt. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.919 And he says, this is bizarrely received almost zero coverage 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.760 in Western media, but it is actually massive deal. China, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.800 the countries of Southeast Asia, assion and the Arab States. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.600 GCC just held a summit in Kuala Lumpur to forge 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.800 what could become the world's largest economic block, covering everything 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.840 from free trade agreements and dedollarrization to Belton Road connectivity. Together, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.440 these countries have over two billion people, thirty percent of 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.800 the world's GDP, and crucially about fifty five percent of 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:52.840 world GDP growth in PPP terms. Here's their joint statement. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.399 They agree to massively develop free trade bypass the dollar. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.000 That's an important one. Belton Road expansion, develop across region 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.719 digital economy framework including an AI and energy markets coordination. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.119