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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Miles in our seat. We are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by a professional futurist with a PhD in the history

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Speaker 1: of science. He's been a visiting scholar at Stanford and

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Speaker 1: Oxford Universities and is the author of four books, including

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Speaker 1: Shorter and rest. Please, welcome to the show, doctor Alex

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Speaker 1: Sujung King pang Eli.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, and happy national Angel food cake?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right? Are you a fan of angel food cake?

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Speaker 2: I love angel food cake? Oh and cake decorating actually,

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Speaker 2: so you know two for one?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Is that like is that a like a hobby of

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Speaker 3: yours decorating cakes? Or you know you admire the artwork.

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Speaker 2: I admire the artwork though my wife and my daughter

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Speaker 2: are both pretty pretty amazing bakers.

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Speaker 3: So okay, okay, okay, Well, we're so glad you joined

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Speaker 3: us here today. Obviously the listeners probably have heard me

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Speaker 3: really talking about my grindset mindset, how I get to.

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Speaker 1: Lambeau is the thesis statement of this show. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. You know, Tim Ferriss gave me

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Speaker 1: some ideas. They aren't working very well, not fast. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why. Yeah, I wasn't able to outsource enough

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Speaker 1: of my work two enough, but yeah, people who work

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Speaker 1: for five dollars an hour, it didn't work that way.

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Speaker 3: But we are curious to pick your mind because yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was the talk of shortened work weeks and if

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Speaker 3: that's better, I don't know. The jury is still out

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Speaker 3: in my mind. We figured it's good to enlist the

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Speaker 3: help of someone who hasn't like their area of expertise

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Speaker 3: is and precisely that to fight the voices that tell

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Speaker 3: me to keep grinding every day and every night.

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Speaker 1: We're main going off vibes on this end. And you've

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Speaker 1: actually looked at data whatever that means. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: dig into it. But before we get to before we

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Speaker 1: get into that, we do like to get to know

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Speaker 1: you a little bit better and ask you what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that is revealing about who

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Speaker 1: you are or what you're up to.

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Speaker 2: Well, this morning I was on a Google Translate for

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Speaker 2: a while looking at four day week in other languages.

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Speaker 2: So it's something that I've been interested in for several years,

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Speaker 2: and it's a movement that keeps growing and I have

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Speaker 2: but now it's like just all over the place.

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Speaker 1: How is that spreading? Is it just like kind of

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Speaker 1: word of mouth that different companies are learning about it,

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Speaker 1: or is it coming usually from the workers themselves or

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Speaker 1: how do you see that kind of happening?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a lot of it is spreading through

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Speaker 2: then sort of, uh, then their competitors will do it

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Speaker 2: championing the four day week, and so you know, and

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Speaker 2: it kind of builds from there, and it's fortunately been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is there is there anything to like you think, like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think if you've got twenty four

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Speaker 4: But you said, you said twenty four hours in a day,

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Speaker 4: My man, you gotta find some more hours.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 1: It does cut against the standard narrative that we see

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Speaker 1: in the mainstream media. I feel like that. That's one

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Speaker 1: counter to the logic that the entire that is, like

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Speaker 1: Like that, that's one of the things that made me

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Speaker 1: We were saying, why would they talk about that? The

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Speaker 1: yellow cake? That's right, it's got to be true. But

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Speaker 1: what is something Alex you think is overrated this week?

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Speaker 5: I think having having an opinion that you feel like

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Speaker 1: Don't, just like kind of make one up, just go

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Speaker 5: You yeah, zealously put it forward, right right right.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people I feel like you had to

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Speaker 1: When you don't. You don't always have to.

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Speaker 3: And I get that the internet makes it feel like

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Speaker 3: just kind of just kind of just just checking this out,

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Speaker 5: Absolute, And I think like there's like a symptom of

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Speaker 5: a feeling of like powerlessness with that. It's like, I

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Speaker 5: a minute. So and that's especially you know, obviously this

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Speaker 5: it happens more more often than not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's really apparent, like when you see

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Speaker 3: so how many celebrities just deleted shit so quickly, and

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Speaker 3: you're like, hold on, did you are you doing this?

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Speaker 3: Because you feel like everyone's posting about the thing, I

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Speaker 3: have to also post about the thing. No, Oh, this

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Speaker 1: I get all my foreign policy information ideas from Jack Black.

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Speaker 1: Exciting to see where he came down, and fortunately he

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Speaker 5: It's such an overshare week that I know exactly what

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Speaker 5: Jack Black said, So that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: Wait, did Jack Black come out with him? Jack Black waited,

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Speaker 1: all right, JB. You know, yeah, it does feel like

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Speaker 1: people are hurting in a very particular way that that

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Speaker 1: they are asking people to, like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: things that are going viral are like come out and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, I think especially it's just like especially important,

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Speaker 5: it's it's maybe a perfect time to hone your reflex

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Speaker 5: to find, you know, to substantiate your news.

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Speaker 3: I can't use Twitter for shit anymore now, like it's

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Speaker 3: only for jokes. It's only for jokes, because I've dude.

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Speaker 3: I on the other one, like I've I felt for

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Speaker 3: And now I'm like, it's a fucking absolute cesspool now,

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Speaker 3: So apologies for any listeners who thought that was actually

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Speaker 3: because even the times that like, you know, journalists or

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Speaker 3: quickly We're out of that era and it's so unreliable

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Speaker 3: to the point that like, like I've I've just gone

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Speaker 3: through thread after thread of people who are like disinformation

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Speaker 3: misinformation specialists, and like you're the most prevalent things that

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is useful, yeah, because so much

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Speaker 3: discourse is shaped by Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Still. Fortunately, I think most people just come to us

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Speaker 1: for like lifestyle things and like how to get to

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Speaker 1: Lambeau and you know, how to yeah, their life, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily for information, no, no, no, well yeah, considering that

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Speaker 1: it's mostly just our opinions, man, Yeah, Miles, we do

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Speaker 1: want to check in with a report from Dane van

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Speaker 1: Kirk on the ground in a Midwestern airport, filing from

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Speaker 1: his phone and just he's just like recorded it send

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Speaker 1: it to us over email this morning. So let's listen.

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Speaker 1: This is an interview with somebody who.

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Speaker 3: Works for one the airlines and wanting to I think

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Speaker 3: he starts off just from the little bit I've heard

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Speaker 3: the very beginning, getting some some travel tips from from

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Speaker 3: who else who would know best than somebody who works

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Speaker 6: Here we go. Hey, it's Daniel van Kirk. I am

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Speaker 6: doing an on the ground reporting for the Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 6: best podcast to get all the happenings going on around

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Speaker 1: Knows TM the best place to get.

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Speaker 6: All this better than anybody. They worked for an airline

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Speaker 6: Let's call you Max. I don't want you to not

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Speaker 6: Let's call you Max saying anything. What's the what's the

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Speaker 1: I'm two hours a miles.

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Speaker 7: You have three hours early three consolidate your bags?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Has been given yourself two two hours? Traveling domoric

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here we go, moving on. So he's saying three hours.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, security, I mean that's what they because it's you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good tip, assuming stress.

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Speaker 4: DVK pulls up to this dude like, hey man, let

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Speaker 4: you into an interview real quick, Like yeah, all right.

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Speaker 5: You are a.

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Speaker 1: Proof that day Man Kirk could get along with, like

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Speaker 6: So yeah, now I want to ask you this. Do

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Speaker 6: Way more real because there's people don't fly as much

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Speaker 7: Yep, thinking for the airport, they wait and they drink.

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Speaker 6: No, man, how often do you know ahead of time?

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Speaker 6: See you later. I want to see you later. I'm

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Speaker 6: I have. Is there a limit to how many dogs

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Speaker 6: Of animal you could have that service like five or six.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever seen an animal that wasn't a dog?

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Speaker 6: Where I can't? Have you had a bird? No, I

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Speaker 7: Actually, I've seen penguins on the plane.

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Speaker 6: You've seen the movie Penguins on a plane.

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Speaker 7: They had the Sea World flight coming in, No kidding,

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Speaker 7: they had penguins coming off. They walked off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now here's this guy might be a little bit

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Speaker 3: It's like, is he like fucked up on like on

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Speaker 1: And delivery and you're like, this guy's fucked up. You're like, nah, man,

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Speaker 1: this is just this is them. They got one tune

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Speaker 6: If I'm wrong, If you're only allowed to bring so

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Speaker 7: But if you're a regular sized food bag, no.

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Speaker 6: Put it in the food bag and then you probably

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Speaker 7: People get creative.

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Speaker 1: Just put in the overhead please, my McDonald's. I just

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Speaker 7: They've got a seventeen dollars half a ham sandwich right here.

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Speaker 1: Is it worth it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: Ok? Never, no, it's never been worth it. No one

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Speaker 1: price gouging. It is the cruelty of capitalism on display

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Speaker 4: That's the thing though, it's gonna be. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Wonderwall, but like it ends up being

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Speaker 1: Whoa, it's just Jesus talking to Judas.

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Speaker 4: Like wow, backbeat, the word is on the street that

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Speaker 6: And then where would you do you recommend people park

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Hell, I think it's usually better to find it something

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Speaker 7: Now, it's easier and more secure to park in the garage.

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Speaker 1: I recommend you just park in the loading area, the

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, when you hop out, throw the skycap

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Speaker 6: Her flights where people have opened up literal three course meals.

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Speaker 1: On a fight.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that somebody could ever say like, hey,

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you can't eat baked salmon on the flight

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Speaker 6: only if that's offensive, okay, And that's a discretionary decision

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Speaker 6: as well, somebody. It's up to somebody, they decide if

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Speaker 6: they think that's too offensive or non offensive enough. Man,

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Speaker 6: all right, well that's that's gonna be my report where

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Speaker 6: Saint Louis. I throw it back to you, guys, this

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Speaker 1: we are not traveling. Oh it is Yeah, what am

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Speaker 1: much fun. Just and also I hadn't changed. It was

436
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Speaker 1: back at a time when like the phones didn't automatically

437
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: change with the time though, so oh my god, I've

438
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: been married fifteen over fifteen years. My wife still hasn't

439
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: forgiven me for that ship.

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Speaker 3: Well, like, but also I feel like the airline is

441
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: usually like at a lounge like that, they they scan

442
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Speaker 3: your boarding pass so they have an idea of where

443
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Speaker 3: a passenger might.

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Speaker 1: Be if it's going to take off. Yeah, yeah, no

445
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: it uh maybe they added to that after you.

446
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

447
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: I think it's called the O'Brien rule. Yeah. But we

448
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: we got there, the plane was still there, but they

449
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't let us on it. Yeah, And I was wearing

450
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: an internet video. I was wearing a T shirt I

451
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: had had since like eighth grade and it had holes

452
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Speaker 1: in it, and my wife had told me not to

453
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: wear it to the airport because she was like that, like,

454
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: it's just you're not gonna be nice to you, they think.

455
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, what are you talking about.

456
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: I just want to be comfortable when I'm traveling. The

457
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: shirt is it is vintage, And they were like, no,

458
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: you're not allowed on this plane. Get the fuck out

459
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: of here. Go back outside to rebook that you have

460
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: to go back through security. And yeah, probably was at

461
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: least partially due to my ratty ass T shirt.

462
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Speaker 4: You know, man, classiest bullshit man, just a man of

463
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 4: the people wearing your vaporized whatever was like an r

464
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: EM shirt. It was a House of Paid T shirt.

465
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's right.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you ain't getting on that plane, Boston, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

467
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: all right, all right, although they're from LA anyway. Anyways,

468
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: well we're all a little bit wiser heading into this

469
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Speaker 1: holiday travel season. We're going to take a quick break

470
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: and we're going to come back and talk some news.

471
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you started as a historian of science, and I've heard

473
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Speaker 1: you talk about like what you learned from Darwin. And

474
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, Ernst Mocked talked about kind of these ideas

475
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: of you know, letting the subconscious take its turn. Look,

476
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: can you just talk about like just looking at the

477
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Speaker 1: historical record around these great thinkers and what they what

478
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Speaker 1: they knew.

479
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Right, So you know, part of the reason that I

480
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: talk about these these folks unrest is number one, their

481
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: lives are really really well documented.

482
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Speaker 1: Right.

483
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Speaker 2: There were fourteen thousand letters in of the Darwin archive

484
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: at Cambridge University, so we actually know an awful lot

485
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Speaker 2: about their daily lives. We also have enough perspectives so

486
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Speaker 2: that we can say with a pretty high degree of

487
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: confidence Charles darn Darwin was an important person who's you know,

488
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Speaker 2: who made an enduring contribution to or to our understanding

489
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Speaker 2: of the natural world. And you know, finally, in contrast

490
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: to today's great so many of today's great achievers, they

491
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: don't you know, we can see them without the filter

492
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: of like pr handlers and sort of you know, people

493
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: who are worried about their stock price, sort of making

494
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: the argument that you know, these people actually sort of

495
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: never rest there, always serving the customer, you know, creating

496
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: delightful products, blah, blah blah, And so we have actually

497
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: a better understanding of how they worked and how they

498
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: did their work than we do of many inventors and

499
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: entrepreneurs today.

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Speaker 1: That little fish with feet that Darwin came up with

501
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: was pretty sick. Marketing. I gotta say that branding is

502
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: pretty tight. He's kind of a marketing genius.

503
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: He did have his moments, you know, it's it's us.

504
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: It's us too bad that he was working before there

505
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: was actually any you know, social media.

506
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've always thought him more than an influencer

507
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: than anything. But yeah, okay, I think he did other

508
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: important stuff.

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Speaker 7: You know.

510
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he definitely had a lot of influence,

511
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: no question about that. And the other thing you see

512
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: when you look at these lives is there's a there's

513
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: an amazing consistency in things like their daily schedules and

514
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: sort of when they worked, when they took breaks, and

515
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: how they kind of layered these periods of really focused

516
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: work of only like ninety minutes or ninety minutes to

517
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: two hours and then a break and then another deep

518
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: dive what Cal Newport calls deep work. And you do

519
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: that like three times a day, and that's about all

520
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: they needed in order to you know, come up with

521
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: ideas that sort of changed the world. And I think

522
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: that's a you know, it is a it's a great

523
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: challenged the assumption that in order to do you know,

524
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: world changing stuff, we have to work enormously long hours.

525
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: We have to in effect sacrifice ourselves and our happiness

526
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: and our health and sometimes our families in you know,

527
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: sort of to make, you know, or to reach some

528
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: mountain top, make a discovery, et cetera, and that it's

529
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: possible to have you know, long sort of lives that

530
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: are longer, that are more sustainable, but also still let

531
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Speaker 2: us do really amazing work that or of you know,

532
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: lets us express our passions and that sort of is

533
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: deeply satisfying for a really long time. So that ultimately

534
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: is you know what Darwin taught me along with the

535
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: fish with the feet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is I've got I've got a ton of

537
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 4: those in my garage trying to get rid of if

538
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: you want to buy something.

539
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is kind of the whole point of this

540
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: episode is actually trying to help Miles move that product

541
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: because he.

542
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: Is I shouldn't haven't made it in pure gold? And

543
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: I think that's right I shouldn't have pure gold? Yeah,

544
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: but what do you think?

545
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Like so you know from my we talk about culturally right,

546
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: like how some places work themselves to death. I know

547
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: that from like I'm I'm a Japanese family who when

548
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: I first was working in media, they thought my job

549
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: was not serious because I wasn't like working day and night.

550
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: Are what like sort of what was sort of the

551
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: evolution of being able to be like I don't know,

552
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: Darwin works like a couple hours a day to sort

553
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: of this like new like the exaltation of like the

554
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: non stop working person and that is why they're successful.

555
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: How did we like what what jumps did we make?

556
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm assuming the industrial age had a lot to do

557
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: with that, but what what like where where were we

558
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: and where are we now?

559
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Essentially it did have a lot to do with it.

560
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: But even you know, one hundred years ago, there was

561
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: this sense that you know, super successful people of kind

562
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: of earned earned the right to leisure because of their success,

563
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, not that getting rich met that you had

564
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: to never ever stop. Like if you look at old

565
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: issues of Forbes magazine from the nineteen tens nineteen twenty, right,

566
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Forbes Magazine has never been one that's been especially critical

567
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: of capitalists. But you know, lots of those profiles have

568
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: stuff about how these guys spend like you know, still

569
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: go to Minnesota to tramp in the woods where they

570
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: grew up before, you know, sort of coming back to

571
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: Wall Street and you know, sort of you know, and

572
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: sort of cornering the silver market. I think, you know, so,

573
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: you know part, But what happened to change that? I

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: think really starts like in the seventies and eighties, when

575
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: you have sort of the realignment of the American economy.

576
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: You have sort of the sort of along with the

577
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: growth of the computer industry, of the high tech industry

578
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: and finance simultaneously, both of which teach us that the

579
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: way to be successful now is not to start at

580
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: the bottom, pay your dues, and work your way up. Right,

581
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: the age in which both General Electric and General Motors

582
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: could be run by guys named Charlie Wilson, both of

583
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: whom started in the mail rooms of their companies, was

584
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: now over right. The way you became rich was to

585
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: be like Steve Jobs right, or of overnight success or

586
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: like you know, Charlie Sheen and Wall Street, and that

587
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: becomes that becomes the model for what a successful career

588
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: looks like in a sense, sort of you get rich

589
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: before the next you know, either before your technical skills

590
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: become obsolete, before the next turn of Moore's law means

591
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: that someone else has a sort of chance at bat

592
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: or you know, or of the next or of you know,

593
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: the next stage in the global economy or economic turndown,

594
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: or of you know, wipes everybody out. And then you know,

595
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: other structural factors like sort of the growth of or

596
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: of increasing reliance on sort of temporary labor, stalling of wages.

597
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: And culturally, I think the sense ability that you know,

598
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: work goes from something that is important in every American's

599
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: life to essentially the only thing right, more important than family,

600
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: than community, than religion. It means that it is like

601
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: the undisputed champion of everybody's existence. And so, you know,

602
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: all of that stuff together means that it's been really

603
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: hard to push back against all of that and to

604
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: imagine an alternative. And it's taken something as dramatic as

605
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the pandemic right to sort of shift, to make a

606
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: lot of us shift gears to see that actually, you know,

607
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: all these things that we took for granted that we

608
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: thought were like inevitable and inescapable turned out to be

609
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: things that we can change and to begin to take

610
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: seriously the possibility that we can actually, you know, or

611
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: rather than have our workplaces changed by a virus, make

612
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: these changes ourselves for ourselves for the better. But you know,

613
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: that's that's a that's a brief history of how we

614
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: got how we got in here, and how we're getting out.

615
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that it happened in like the

616
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties at a time when like people started

617
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: really like hoarding and getting immoral amounts of wealth for

618
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: like doing things that like building things that weren't lasting,

619
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: or you know, doing corporate rating and stuff. Yeah, corporate rating.

620
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: Like it reminds me the anecdote from the People's History

621
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: of the United States, where like the War Department changes

622
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: its name to the Department of Defense at the moment

623
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: that they start waging non defensive wars because they're like

624
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: they need this you know, linguistic defense mechanism to like

625
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: throw people's attention away. And it's like the the powers

626
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: that be in capitalism need this idea that like, well,

627
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: you just have to work harder, you just outwork everyone

628
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: to justify that they're actually not doing anything that is

629
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: harder or more worthwhile, and certainly not millions of times

630
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: more important than the people who they're out earning by

631
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: a factor of a million.

632
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: You know, Jack, That points to another important thing, which

633
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: is that you know, we've we've come to see or

634
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: of both success and challenges in the workplace as totally

635
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: like sort of individual and personal. Right, sort of, my

636
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: success is because I worked enormously long hours, not because

637
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: I have a social network, I have patrons, friends, you know,

638
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: et cetera. Right, and if I have are you know,

639
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 2: sort of if I have if I have a problem

640
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: at work, or if I want to be more successful

641
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: sort of the you know, the key is all in

642
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: what I myself do right, get up earlier, hustle harder,

643
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: et cetera. And I think that we've you know, of

644
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 2: even even those of us who turn out whose clock

645
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: have thirty hours in a day, rank you discover that

646
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, at some point you run out of hours,

647
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: and the ability, you know, the ability to solve problems

648
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: that way hits a limit. And the fact that we

649
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: all share that we all have these kinds of problems

650
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: suggests that actually maybe a more powerful and enduring way

651
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: to deal with them would be to solve them together, right,

652
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: to act collectively. And that's one of the big things

653
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: behind stuff like or of the four day week is that,

654
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's something that's done in companies when where

655
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: everybody does it from the CEO or of you know,

656
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: CEO on down. And I think part of the success

657
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: of the movement has been that it has you know,

658
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: it has shown us, that shown us the power of

659
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: collective action to change how we work and to make

660
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: work better for us.

661
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: All. Yeah, that just made me think of the fact

662
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: that Zach Morris is the ultimate capitalist because because he

663
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: can freeze time, he can freeze time, and that saved

664
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: by the bell. Yeah, of course do. I don't think

665
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I have to explain that to anybody here, but I'm

666
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: sure this comes up all the time in academic circles.

667
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: But what like that he was and that that was

668
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: a fantasy, that was like a thing that I was

669
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: when I was younger. I was like, oh, man, to

670
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: be able to freeze time, you have like so much

671
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: extra time, I can like get so good at things

672
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: or like do all the all my work. And then

673
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: just like come back, and it's really you know, living

674
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: my life on Zach Morris's clock, you know how like

675
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm curious to like, you know, when I got a

676
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: lot more on Zach mount Morris here, Miles, if you oh, No,

677
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: I was about to.

678
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: I was actually about to talk about the Jack Morris

679
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: when he had to take two people to the same dance. Jack,

680
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: let me finish the question. No, But Alex, like we

681
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: I think when we talk about what we talk a

682
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: lot about on the show just sort of the just

683
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: terrible habit we have, especially in America and other like

684
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: western capitalist societies, just like it's all about work. Productivity

685
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: is the only metric to define your life, and like,

686
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, we see that obviously, like at in the

687
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: more professional level, but I feel like it's also really

688
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: difficult for people who like have like you know, hourly

689
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: wage working jobs and things like that. What is the

690
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: sort of same way because obviously I feel like when

691
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: people go like, I'm sure if you tell business owners like, oh,

692
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: four weeks, what for all my productivity to go down?

693
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: How do those sort of lessons apply to various industries?

694
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: Because I can easily see how like in a professional

695
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 3: thing it's like, well, we've got all these like invoices

696
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: we have to process as an accounting firm or whatever.

697
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 4: Once you're done, then you have something there.

698
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: But like for something that's like sort of like an

699
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: always on business, like retail consumer sort of facing business,

700
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: what is the same way What is the way that

701
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: that needs to be messaged to those people for them

702
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: to not think, well, my line will go down if

703
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: this happens. And how does this how does this sort

704
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: of vision offer a new sort of form of I guess,

705
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: you know, time liberation for workers that are like in

706
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 3: like in every sector.

707
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Right, So okay, first of all, I think that the

708
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's the four day week is something that

709
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: the very you know who's very earliest adopters tended more

710
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: to be in like professional and creative services. And partly

711
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: because that work is kind of more malleable and more

712
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: shapeable by individuals, it's also tends to be a little

713
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: more project based and so right, and you know, you're

714
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: not like actually moving physical things around, so sort of

715
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: easier to imagine how to redesign it. But one of

716
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: the really interesting things is that we've seen is it

717
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: move into places like nursing and I'm actually working with

718
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: a police department that's moving, that is experimenting with thirty

719
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: two hour work weeks for officers, you know, and talk

720
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: about you know, talk about two industries where you don't

721
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: want you know, sleep deprived or of overworked people coming

722
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: in and making mistakes is like in an ICU, and

723
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, sort of during any interaction with sort of

724
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: with law enforcement. And what we found there is that,

725
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: you know, okay, a couple things. Number One, that that

726
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: kind of work turns out to be just as creative

727
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: as what we think of as you know, creative work

728
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: of like people sitting around in meetings, you know, drawing

729
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: on whiteboards. It's just we don't recognize it as such. Right,

730
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: There's just as much ingenuity, sort of problem solving skill,

731
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: et cetera required to either defuse a situation, to you know,

732
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: assess what's going on in an emergency room, to calm

733
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: down people. And that's and so this kind of work

734
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: is just as responsive to the benefits of a shorter

735
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: work week on the part of individuals. Now, the way

736
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: that organizations make it work is for nurses, you know,

737
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: like places like nursing homes, they have huge issu is

738
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: around sort of turnover and sort of recruitment and retention. Right,

739
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: these are of these oftener jobs that are not very

740
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: well paid. They're highly stressful and so you know, in

741
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: so it's easy for people to come into those jobs

742
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: work you know for maybe a year or two and

743
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: even if they like it, to find the stresses you know,

744
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: ort of are too much and for them to leave.

745
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Moving to a shorter work week means that they have

746
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: more time, more time for recovery, so more time to

747
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, and then but also it means that the

748
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: organizations themselves, like nursing homes that have moved to six

749
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: hour shifts while still paying people the same amount of

750
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: money that they were that they were paying for eight

751
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: hour shifts, they save enough in like in temp agency fees.

752
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: You know, when someone calls in sick, you've got to

753
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 2: get someone from a temp agency and it's like five

754
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: times is expensive per hours to sort of you know,

755
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: have the regular f time person. You save so much

756
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: money on that that the programs pay for themselves and

757
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: you get higher quality of care, so less administration of

758
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: psychotropic drugs, fewer like bed sores, slips and falls, all

759
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: the kinds of things that indicate whether whether you know,

760
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: whether nursing home residents or people in a hospital are

761
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: being well cared for. And so you know, in a

762
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: sense basically there are there are industries in which there

763
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: were hidden costs to overwork and high turnover that a

764
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: four day week are subsidized by I think that's andre

765
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: and we're seeing, you know, we're seeing that in the

766
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: restaurant industry, in healthcare. The trial with the police force,

767
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: it's an eighty person force and they've saved something like

768
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars in overtime, which is like incredible

769
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: in like the last you know, four months or so

770
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: that they've been that they've been doing it, and so

771
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's and so it's not just that you know,

772
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: these are sort of these are jobs that you know

773
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 2: in which individuals benefit. But it turns out that once

774
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: you dive into the numbers, there often are kind of

775
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: systemic savings that justify moving from sort of sort of

776
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: from you know, eight from eight hour shifts to or

777
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: to shorter ones. So you know, even when you have

778
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: to pay more people, you have to hire more staff,

779
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: it's you know, the numbers still work out. And then

780
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: with retail. The most interesting thing I'm seeing has been

781
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: sort of places that will stay open now for twelve

782
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: hours and have two six hour shifts. So that means

783
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: that you get more walk in. You know, you get

784
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: more walk ins. People can you know, come into the

785
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: store or the garage before work, you know, maybe get

786
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: some work done or before they've got to you know,

787
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: drop the kids off. And it means that you know,

788
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: for you know, you get more customers and more revenue.

789
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: And so even if you have to hire of one

790
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: or two more people, it often can pay for itself

791
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: that way, or you know, sort of on sort of

792
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: more sales.

793
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about to think about the creative work that

794
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: police do. That's crazy because every time I'm pulled over,

795
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: they're like why are you in this?

796
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Why are you in this neighborhood? Because they're coming up

797
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: with like really interesting reasons why I shouldn't be there,

798
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: But in their yeah, they have that's an exhaustion issue.

799
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, you just get some rest, anybody, maybe you

800
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: could you need a nap? Sorry, sorry officer, sir, you

801
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: you seem so sleepy. He seems so sleepy.

802
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: But no, it is like is there are there any

803
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: is there potentially any like this could apply to any job, right, Like,

804
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: is there like when looking at sort of the way

805
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: we toil in labor, is there any job where you're like, Okay,

806
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 3: maybe that one has to kind of stay that way.

807
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: That's it's sort of it seems. I don't know.

808
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: For my perspect I'm like, I think it supplies everything, right,

809
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: Can we just can we just call it a day?

810
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: Everyone goes to four days?

811
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there were or of looking at economically,

812
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: I think if you commute to work by helicopter, it's

813
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: going to be hard to move to a four day week.

814
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: So like if you're working on an oil rig or something, right,

815
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: it's like ten days on, ten days off. Just the

816
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: cost of getting to work and back is such that

817
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: a four day week is probably not going to work

818
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: very well. And then after that it becomes it really

819
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: becomes a matter of like a professional ideology.

820
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 7: Right.

821
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: Hedge funds are not going to do it because they

822
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: have constructed incredibly profitable systems for hiring twenty two year olds,

823
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: working them to death, and then discarding, you know, discarding

824
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: the desiccated husks three years later and hiring new kids, right, right,

825
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: So until they're you know, Viking freezers are full of

826
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: woggu beef right in their like apocalypse bunkers. They're not

827
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: going to have a lot of vision board. Yeah, exactly,

828
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, but there were, you know, and then places

829
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: like law and medicine, you know, they pride themselves on

830
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: being able to work these kinds of tightically long hours,

831
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 2: and they even though they recognize that there are high

832
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: costs to it and it leads to sort of instability

833
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: for organizations and unnecessary burnout. Until now, it's been hard

834
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: to envision constructing something different. But so, you know, and

835
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: some of the you know, there were there definitely are

836
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: older people in these fields who really resist the idea

837
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 2: that you can, you know, sort of you can scale

838
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: back hours and make the work better without making the

839
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: work worse.

840
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 7: You know.

841
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: Occasionally you get people who say that I can't do

842
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: this because look, I don't have another life other than

843
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: reading SEC filings or you know, X rays, So don't

844
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: ask me to do this.

845
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's actually let's take one more break, and

846
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: then I have another thing that I heard you say

847
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: that kind of made the whole thing fall into place

848
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: for me. So we'll be we'll be there and we're

849
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: back and this this report miles from Moodies. Nothing has

850
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: ever made more sense to me in my life in

851
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: the news that the cheesecake factory is propping up America's

852
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: consumer economy. Yeah everything, you know.

853
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: The Moodies likes to get in the business of business

854
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: and put out their little analyzes about what's going on.

855
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: They talk a lot about malls, apparently for mean Girl's

856
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: Day that we completely fucked up, so sorry about that.

857
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: On October third, humiliating, they released this like report on

858
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: like the state of certain malls and like the top,

859
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: like the observations are like the most obvious one at

860
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: the top was pretty clear to everyone obviously, like e

861
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: commerce has like obliterated mall traffic. Then there are a

862
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: few others I didn't really think of, but like totally

863
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: make sense in terms of the survival of a mall,

864
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: Like people prefer lifestyle centers or outlets that are more

865
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 3: that aren't enclosed, because people just kind of these days

866
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: rather park and walk directly to the store they need

867
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: to go to, rather than walking through nine dead department

868
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: stores just to get to like the inside part of

869
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: the mall like we used to have to and having

870
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: like non traditional businesses like an arcade or a trampoline

871
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 3: park or a bowling alley helps like plays a I

872
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: guess somewhat a measurable role in the ability of a

873
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: mall's you know, survive survival factor, survival rating. But here's

874
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: the other part, right, Malls that do not have a

875
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: cheesecake factory are twenty one percent more likely to be

876
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: behind on loan payments than malls that do have a

877
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: cheesecake factory.

878
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 7: Yep.

879
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 4: And they're like and again they're like, we're not saying,

880
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 4: you know, the causation is correlation here, or correlation is

881
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: causation here. But it's clear that people go to a

882
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: fuck cheesecake factory. It's like having an apple store.

883
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: People.

884
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: If you got it there, people will go to it.

885
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: And maybe has somewhat to do with the layout. But

886
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: these are the kinds of stores that no matter what,

887
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: people will be like, oh, you have to go to

888
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: the mall because that's where the apple store is, or now.

889
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: The cheesecake factory. And now I'm just like, what is it?

890
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Is it the brown bread? Is it? The menu as

891
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: thick as phone books? Yeah, I've been saying for a

892
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: long time I think the Cheesecake Factory menu is the

893
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: height of Western colonial culture. It is like the thing

894
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: that will be in our like the the wing of

895
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: the museum dedicated to this period in history, in this

896
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: place in the world. How did they fucking fit this

897
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: many places into a single kitchen like that? That doesn't

898
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: make sense. PIF Changs is probably, but like PF Chang's,

899
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: they like took two things from the PF Chang's menu

900
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: and like that's in there, you know, like that they

901
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: did it all.

902
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 5: I'm from. I grew up as a teenager. I worked

903
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: at them all for five six years and uh and

904
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 5: our mall was like and I grew up white trash

905
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 5: and so our mall the the anchor restaurant was a

906
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 5: Ruby Tuesdays, which is really yeah, but like when I

907
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 5: grew up again, like Cheesecake Factory was like aspirational, like

908
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: you it was like a fish.

909
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

910
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: Our family wasn't going out to the Cheesecake Factory every

911
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 5: every night, you know, like once a year maybe.

912
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

913
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 4: One of the first dates that like I went on,

914
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 4: like as a freshman in college, I was like, fuck here,

915
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: I'm like we're here, dude, Like I've saved a little money,

916
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: and it's time to take Shorty.

917
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: The cheesecake factory. I was, and so yeah, and therefore

918
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: we're therefore we're doing and I'm having chicken littles again, don't.

919
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: I was a big like. I was a big like

920
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 5: as a teen, as a like feral team, I was

921
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 5: a big like, let's go with your girl to the

922
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 5: restaurant and like go to like what I considered a

923
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: nice restaurant, which and run respect all was like incredibly cheesy. Yeah,

924
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 5: but yeah, I loved.

925
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: That Robin or something.

926
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, bottomless fries forever.

927
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

928
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: Fud Ruckers. Those are like the early date spots where

929
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: you're like, these are places my parents would take me,

930
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: and therefore this is all I have in terms of

931
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: knowledge of a restaurant.

932
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: For a days.

933
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 5: It's the only proximity to adult knowledge I have.

934
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly is like I know there's a fud Ruckers

935
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: over there.

936
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: We used to go.

937
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 5: There was an east Side Marios in the mall parking lot,

938
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 5: and there was a guy from my town named Pete Finkel,

939
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: and he would play like contemporary covers of songs at

940
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 5: the east Side Marios, like like Green Day's Time, of

941
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 5: your life and you'd go and see this guy from

942
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: your town play music at east Side Marios on your

943
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 5: date with some whatever, some girl, and it was so

944
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 5: of a time. It was remarkable. I really miss how

945
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 5: weird that.

946
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: Was at the simpler times, at the simpler times.

947
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: Have you ever can you think of a cheesecake factory

948
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: that's gone. Have you ever seen a cheesecake factory go

949
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: out of business?

950
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: I've seen. Yeah. No, they relocate cheesecake factory desides when

951
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: it's done with you, But the cheesecake factory is not. Yeah,

952
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: it'll just be like, we're gonna move over here to

953
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: bless this other establishment with our present. Never like no

954
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: one's coming here.

955
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: Everyone goes and these things they're probably going to be

956
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: standing that people are going to do an analyzes and

957
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: be like these are made of Roman concrete. Why they

958
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: still stand to this?

959
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only thing that's left standing of America

960
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: in three thousand years. It's just cheesecape factories. Yeah, I

961
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's interesting. Is this because the cheesecake factory

962
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: brings so much people to you know, so much business,

963
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: or does the cheesecake factory have like some magic understanding

964
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: of like where to locate, you know, based on all.

965
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 5: The all the malls I know that do or do

966
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 5: not have a cheesecake factory ball and ship. Yeah, the

967
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: balls that are like predisposed to already of people who

968
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 5: are regularly going to come with with dispassible income are

969
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 5: hitting that cheesecake factory exactly. I'm shocked that our mall

970
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 5: that had that had Ruby Tuesdays as an anchor is

971
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 5: still trucking because it is Oh yeah, the main mall

972
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: in South Portland, Maine is still somehow vibrant.

973
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: Do you know what they put into the what they

974
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: put into the department stores? Like are they are they

975
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: now like the bubble world? Oh you mean, like what

976
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: did they replace all this?

977
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know, although like that is that's

978
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 5: some of my favorite There's a there's a mall unfortunately

979
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 5: that maybe I can't remember, but there's a mall in Portland,

980
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 5: Oregon that has like a full comic and zine shop

981
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 5: and like any spot and that's I love that. It

982
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 5: feels like truly you know, sideways apocalyptic in a way

983
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 5: that I enjoy.

984
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that there's probably there's got

985
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: to be a lot of haunted houses that have gone

986
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: into those sure, right, oh yeah, you got to, yeah,

987
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: got to.

988
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: It's always interesting to see, like because it'll always be.

989
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 4: Then there's like the small businesses where you can see

990
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 4: it and you're like, oh, this poor fucking motherfucker, this

991
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: ship is not gonna last, and like you probably put

992
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 4: your whole fucking life into this terrible retail concept. And

993
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: then you see ones that have been there one off

994
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: in a mall, like a one off retail concept in

995
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: a mall. Oh god, and I get like and you

996
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 4: like seeing her, Like, no, I feel so bad. I'm

997
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 4: so sorry you are, You're just anyway. Then but then

998
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: it lasts for like ten years and you're like, oh,

999
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: it's a drug front.

1000
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Never mind. Yeah, okay, I don't have to feel bad

1001
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: because you don't care that no one's in there because

1002
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you're just laundering money through here. Yeah.

1003
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 5: The one, the one I was just talking about in

1004
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 5: Portland Oorgan is called the Voyd Center and it's like

1005
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 5: just like it feels like a flea market. It feels

1006
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 5: like it's all just like small businesses that people like

1007
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 5: put it all on the line for and they're like,

1008
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 5: you know, it's like custom snuggies or whatever, and you're like,

1009
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: all right, I guess, okay, I hope that. I hope.

1010
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: That's what I love about like Portland is the specificity

1011
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: of the businesses like it. The entrepreneurial spirit of Portland,

1012
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 4: Oregon is fucking I've never seen anything like it where

1013
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, man, it's like a bespoke hot sauce

1014
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: and beer place.

1015
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 5: And it's like, there's what there's another so our my

1016
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 5: podcast like a host with Sarah Marshall from You're Wrong

1017
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: About And there's another Sarah Marshall from Portland, Oregon who

1018
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 5: runs a bespoke hot sauce company.

1019
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh really.

1020
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: And it's funny too, because like I'm like not knocking

1021
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: it because instantly I'm like, I mean, yeah, beer's cool.

1022
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: But I love hot sauce and I love to see

1023
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: when people are just like, you know, aggregating a ton

1024
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: of local hot sauce.

1025
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is great. And I was asking some

1026
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 4: people lokaland like.

1027
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: Is it high turnover like in this area, like with

1028
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: the business, Like yeah, yeah, it can be. It can't be.

1029
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: It can be, but some.

1030
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 5: Things for me for sure.

1031
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, at the top, we mentioned that there

1032
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: has some has been some misinformation going around, and I

1033
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: have to assume that you guys were talking about skittles

1034
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: when you you mentioned that, h yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

1035
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: because there have been erroneous claims that Skittles are now

1036
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: banned in California, specifically Mario Lopez, who, along with Jack Black,

1037
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: is the person who I go to for most of

1038
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: my information. Most of my reported reportage has to come

1039
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: through Mario Lopez. He tweeted crime is through the roof,

1040
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: worst drug epidemic ever and homelessness at an all time

1041
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: high in California. Let's focus on skittles and then posted

1042
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: a video or posted a picture that says California becomes

1043
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: first US state band skittles and twelve thousand additional products

1044
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: for cancer causing additives. Maybe maybe this is first step

1045
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Mario Lopez gonna run for president. We can all hope.

1046
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 4: At Mario Lopez Viva.

1047
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 5: Did this news come from next door? I feel like

1048
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 5: this is something that would work, Yes, right next door.

1049
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 5: The other day I was like, I got I don't

1050
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 5: even know why I'm on next It was like I

1051
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 5: found to Pet once Pet, and I was like, I

1052
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 5: should go in next door and now I'm never gonna

1053
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 5: get off. But they people were very up in arms

1054
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 5: about the fact that I think California, there's a law

1055
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 5: that was passed that you can't make your employee run

1056
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 5: after a shoplifter anymore rightfully so, so like that should never

1057
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 5: have been anything in the first place. And people were

1058
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 5: angry as if the government had come into their house

1059
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 5: and taken all their money and then burned it down.

1060
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 5: Why this is like this Skittles news is another one

1061
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 5: of those that feels, yes, so is it true. It's

1062
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 5: not true. It's not true. It is not true.

1063
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: So I mean they tried it. Gavin Newsome signed to

1064
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: build banning certain food additives. And one of the things

1065
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: that he pointed out because everyone was like, oh, you're

1066
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna ban Skittles, Skittles go out of business. Then dude, California, Yeah,

1067
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to buy Skittles. Fuck that. And

1068
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: he was like, here is a bag of Skittles from

1069
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: the EU, where the shit the car arsinogenic chemicals that

1070
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: they put in the American version of Skittles is illegal.

1071
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: They just made it less cancerous in the EU and

1072
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: are still able to sell both things and not go

1073
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: out of business and people were like, nah, fuck that,

1074
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: And so that that got taken out of the bill,

1075
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: the skittles ban, there's like, just keep it as it

1076
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: like they could have made it less potentially cancerous and.

1077
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 5: That just isn't going to happen.

1078
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: Yes, So he held a package of skittles from the EU,

1079
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: argued it's demonstrable proof that the food industry is capable

1080
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: of maintaining product lines while complying with different public health

1081
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: laws country by country, and so therefore. An earlier version

1082
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: of the bill had a ban on titanium dioxide, which

1083
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Speaker 1: sounds like a thing that you want to ingest with

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Speaker 1: your food, just like you know pepper a little. It's

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Speaker 1: got two oxenium dixides dioxides on there, which we've talked

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Speaker 1: about it before. It's a controversial food additive found in

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Speaker 1: skittles and a bunch of other foods, and it's been

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Speaker 1: banned in the EU. It was banned last year, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just not great, like they think it

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Speaker 1: could be bad, like when it gets into your cells.

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Speaker 1: But it was removed from the California bill after lobbyists

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Speaker 1: argued that it was safe to use in these applications.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry small amounts and products like skittles. This is

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Speaker 1: how you know Gavin Newsom is running for president eventually,

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Speaker 1: Like he's already doing like he's like, you know, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like we'll fine, We're good with titanium dioxide,

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Speaker 1: or like the thing where he's like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: cap insulin costs. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Actually I'll say that out loud, and then when it

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Speaker 4: comes time to cut time to sign a bill, I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to do that, or be like we're gonna

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Speaker 4: get striking workers unemployment. He didn't, right, So he's like

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Speaker 4: really good at that, like presenting himself as someone who's

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Speaker 4: like got his head in the game and as this

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Speaker 4: like progressive credentials will also be.

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Speaker 1: Like and I'm a friend to business and healthcare. Don't

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Speaker 1: worry my man.

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Speaker 5: Still am I making up that he was like a

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Speaker 5: progressive guy At one point that was the case, right,

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Speaker 5: Like here was the here was like an actual progressive

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Speaker 5: politician from saying yeah, like as.

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Speaker 3: The mayor of San Francisco, like I guess comparatively, but

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Speaker 3: he's always I think the thing that people have always

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Speaker 3: that the sort of criticism is like he's He's always

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Speaker 3: been very sly about it. He's very coy, you know,

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Speaker 3: and he so he knows what to say when to

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Speaker 3: say it, and not say things when to not. So

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Speaker 3: it's you're always like he presents like a total piece

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Speaker 3: of ship, but he might be a total piece of

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Speaker 3: ship too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that that pushed back hair though, you know you

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Speaker 4: got to you gotta push a head of hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like back jack. We already know. I can't

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Speaker 1: think of somebody whose hair I would want to touch

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Speaker 1: less than Yeah, his hair feels like it. Whatever you

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Speaker 1: would get on your hand from touching it would be

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Speaker 1: on there for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I'd rather touch like

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Speaker 3: all like the male leads and like Boardwalk Empire, who

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Speaker 3: you saw them put like lard in their hair.

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Speaker 1: I'd like, I'm having to go. I'd rather touch that

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Speaker 1: or like palmade than like the whatever Gavin Newsom's got

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 5: You know whose head I bet is filthy as Bill

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Speaker 5: Maher I bet his. I bet you would touch his

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Speaker 5: head and your hand would never be the same. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to get that Bill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah hair new rules.

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Speaker 5: Your hair is terrible.

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Speaker 1: You just could be like stuck to your hand like

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Speaker 1: a spider web, you'd like wash.

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Speaker 5: It, And I say, this is someone with like a

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Speaker 5: radically receding and depleting hairline. But yeah, I don't ever want.

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Speaker 4: To take the texture the texture of it, though I can.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it could be like like a cat's

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Speaker 3: tongue somehow, when you're like.

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Speaker 1: Ah, what the fuck that's hair? Yeah, yeah, buddy, sure

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Speaker 1: is so karma does it's not hair? Okay, Oh, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Have you never touched a nest of spider

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Speaker 1: webs before? Islamophobia?

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, sorry, snowflake.

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Speaker 5: It's scary you. Both of your impressions, like facially are

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Speaker 5: scarily accurate.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: We have like a people I've had to listen to

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Speaker 5: that for thirty years. We're outside about it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is one of those things. The

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Speaker 1: science is uncertain, but usually like if all things being equal,

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Speaker 1: the you know, people in charge of making making decisions

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Speaker 1: on behalf of millions of people would be like, we

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Speaker 1: don't know, and therefore you can't put it in food

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Speaker 1: that is mostly eaten by children, just as like a precaution. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's how it works in the EU. But in

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Speaker 1: these United States, you you know, you got you got

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Speaker 1: lobbying groups that are more powerful than the young children

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Speaker 1: candy eating lobby.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's funny though, how much like my brain

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Speaker 3: has been shaped by this like American attitude towards stuff.

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Speaker 3: When I'm like, well, yeah, he can't even prove it though,

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Speaker 3: so like, fine, let it ripe, rather than be like,

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Speaker 3: no it we don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's better to know. It's our thing is.

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Speaker 4: It's better to know what you're putting in your body

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Speaker 4: than letting it rip. And I'm like, okay, well maybe maybe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they did.

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Speaker 5: Why you American to me is kind of like why

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Speaker 5: don't you suck it up? And then I realized that

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Speaker 5: I've just internalized a terrible ideology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like, oh wait, that's the titanium

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Speaker 1: dioxide talking shit. You've internalized a bunch of microplastics in

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Speaker 1: addition to American it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, let

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Speaker 1: it rip. Let her in my teeth talking to how

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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: can the red ones taste the best?

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Speaker 3: It's because of the flavor inside, it's not because of

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Speaker 3: the let's they tell you.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show. If you like, the

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Speaker 1: show means the world de Miles he he needs your validation. Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.