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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre from lazarn O.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined has always by our bark gap.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing about this game that worries

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Speaker 4: me attat is that this is a Dolphins team that

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Speaker 4: can run the football and run it well. They are

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Speaker 4: top ten in the league in e P A h Hn

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Speaker 4: leads the league in explosive runs.

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Speaker 2: He has forty runs over.

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Speaker 4: Ten plus yards this series, having the fantastic season. So

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Speaker 4: they can run the ball. They can run it out

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Speaker 4: of heavy personnel. They're gonna put the full back and

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Speaker 4: gold he's gonna play. They're gonna put the tight ends

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Speaker 4: out there. They're gonna run it heavy, and then they're

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Speaker 4: gonna run play action off the run, heavy.

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Speaker 2: Looks and they start fast.

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Speaker 4: And what has the one thing that the Patriots defense

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Speaker 4: has had trouble when not started fast? Not starting fast?

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Speaker 4: In my defense, we did not know a Hen wasn't

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Speaker 4: gonna play.

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Speaker 3: If he played, that probably would have aged a little

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Speaker 3: bit better.

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Speaker 4: But the starfast part I was dead on about you

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Speaker 4: and I have a take on that that We'll get

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Speaker 4: to you here in a little bit about the Patriots defense.

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Speaker 4: But hello, it's Evan Lazard's Alex Barth, It's Ace behind

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Speaker 4: the glass. It's Catch twenty two with you for the

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Speaker 4: next couple of hours. Playoffs, Barth, playofflayoffs.

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Speaker 3: This is the first playoff edition in Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 4: This is the first playoff edition of Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 4: It's the first time that I am covering or working

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Speaker 4: a playoff game as a team.

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Speaker 2: Employee, so that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: This is all a bunch of first for a lot

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Speaker 4: of people, which is another thing I want to talk

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Speaker 4: about here in a second. But I think the excitement

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Speaker 4: is palpable. We haven't been around the team since Sunday

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Speaker 4: night after the win over the Dolphins, so I'm interested.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see the energy in the locker room

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Speaker 4: here today when we get to go in there today.

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Speaker 4: Here from head coach Mike Frable, Here from Drake May

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Speaker 4: of course, also, we'll be out at practice around two

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Speaker 4: o'clock this afternoon, and there's some big key pieces that

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Speaker 4: may or may not be there with us, right, you know, Roberts, Bulane,

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Speaker 4: Chius Tonga, Jared Wilson, Harold Landry. So the Patriots have

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Speaker 4: some injuries, not quite like the Chargers do, but they

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Speaker 4: those guys will be out at practice. So obviously we're

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Speaker 4: gonna be Chargers heavy in the show. I do have

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Speaker 4: some leftover thoughts on this Dolphins game. More big picture,

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Speaker 4: We're not going to do a full the good, the bad,

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Speaker 4: and the stuff that gets you beat from the Dolphins

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Speaker 4: game because I think all of us have moved on

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Speaker 4: rather quickly to this.

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Speaker 1: Playoff game and to the playoffs. So just a couple

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Speaker 4: That were on my mind in terms of the big

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Speaker 4: picture here moving forward for the Patriots, We're gonna do

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Speaker 4: our I was gonna say Dolphins, We're gonna do our

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Speaker 4: Chargers preview in the first hour of the show, because

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Speaker 4: get to that as well, and then we'll take all

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Speaker 4: your lovely calls and emails. But I want to start

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Speaker 4: more like I said, gearing towards the big picture, not

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Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: You know, of course his tackle for loss that third down,

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Speaker 4: that's the formula for this team. From a pass rus standpoint,

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Speaker 4: you know, stopping to run, getting a guy back that

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Speaker 2: When you have a guy like Milton Williams.

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Speaker 4: Who draws doubles, who draws extra attention, who can beat

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Speaker 4: the best guy on the line from the opponent. Now,

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Speaker 4: if up bar and Moore, it frees up the edges,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And I had talked about this

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Speaker 3: And I think mil Williams is one of those players.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people realize just how

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Speaker 1: mill Williams obviously had a more rotational position. I think

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell played every snap. I'm pretty sure before they

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Speaker 3: Both guys looked fully good to go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And with Campbell, I thought that there

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Speaker 4: Bradley Chubb, But overall, I thought his run game tape

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Speaker 4: And then yeah, Bradley Chubb coming off your head and

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Speaker 1: And this is a guy that he's never had a

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Speaker 1: I think there was that story right where he was

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Speaker 1: So you know, he never really had to make that

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Speaker 4: That's exactly why I think, you know, both of us

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Speaker 4: wanted to see these two guys play in Week eight team, right,

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Speaker 4: because now you know, Will Campbell has you know, felt

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Speaker 1: I know how to pronounce it. I know how to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh two week Polow too. I don't why put an

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Speaker 4: Polow two and Mac are both like big, burly, heavy

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Speaker 4: caveat to the run defense for the Patriots in this game.

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Speaker 4: Statistics speaking, this was one of their best run defense

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Speaker 2: It was like almost.

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Speaker 4: Instantaneous, and they don't even have you know, Tonga and

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Speaker 4: really good to see on all fronts. Was those two

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily grade results on that play. Like I

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Speaker 4: They carried that into the playoffs. James Devlin, Sony Michelle

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Speaker 4: have Drake may just completing bombs all game long, because

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00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 4: that's the strength of this offense right now, is their

438
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Speaker 4: explosiveness in the passing game. Not going to be able

439
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 4: to do that every single week.

440
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Speaker 3: This is where you really get the value of being

441
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Speaker 3: a game planting.

442
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 4: Right, And you have to have balance and you have

443
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 4: to be able to win games different ways. You know,

444
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 4: I just brought up the eighteen Patriots. You know, they

445
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 4: win a game in Kansas City that's essentially turns into

446
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 4: a shootout and goes into overtime, has decided, you know,

447
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 4: in the thirties, and then they play a Super Bowl

448
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 4: where it's thirteen to three, right, like that sort of

449
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: thing where you have to be able to pivot, you

450
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 4: have to be able to take what the defense is

451
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Speaker 4: giving you. And if on Sunday night, the Chargers come

452
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 4: out and they play a bunch of two high safeties

453
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 4: and they lighten the box and they take all the

454
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 4: deep passing away from Drake May with their quarters coverages

455
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff that we'll get to, Like,

456
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 4: you got to.

457
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: Be able to run the ball like that.

458
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 4: That's the that's the counter punch to that sort of

459
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 4: style of defense.

460
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Speaker 2: So all good stuff.

461
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 4: I just thought Remandra Stevenson was exceptional in this game.

462
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Speaker 2: It all walks like not just running the ball, running the.

463
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 4: Ball obviously really well, you know, the touchdown catch, the

464
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: route that he runs on that touchdown catches terrific, you know,

465
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 4: absolutely burned. Tyrol Dotson, the linebacker for the Dolphins pass

466
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 4: protection It just was a complete performance from him that,

467
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: like I said, was one of the better running back

468
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Speaker 4: performances I've seen by a Patriot in quite some time,

469
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Speaker 4: you know, probably you know, at least over the last

470
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Speaker 4: you know, four or five years. Moving on last one

471
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Speaker 4: here on the Dolphins, and then I promise we'll we'll

472
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Speaker 4: get to the Chargers and the important stuff.

473
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Speaker 2: This defense, this.

474
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Speaker 4: Defense I feel like has gotten Is it fair to

475
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Speaker 4: say it's gotten a little bit controversial?

476
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: You know, do they have a good defense today?

477
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Speaker 1: Idea, they've had a couple of these games this yere

478
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Speaker 1: where like as you're watching the game doesn't feel good,

479
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: it's like pulling teeth, like, oh man, this is really rough.

480
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 3: What happened?

481
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Speaker 1: And then you look up, Oh they allowed under two

482
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Speaker 1: hundred yards and only ten points.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So this was, you know, fitting way to end it.

484
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Speaker 1: This was I think a fulsemation of what the twenty

485
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Speaker 1: twenty five Patriots defense is.

486
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 4: It feels like at times at things they're too easy.

488
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Speaker 4: Not necessarily in this game against the run, I thought

489
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 4: they were pretty good against the run throughout, but in

490
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: the past game, you know, they it's a third and

491
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: six and Carlon Davis is standing six yards off the

492
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and gives up a slant in front

493
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 4: of him for seven yards. And you're just like, right,

494
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 4: that's just too easy, Like why are we not up

495
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 4: in guys' faces? Why are we not pressing? Are they

496
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 4: not playing man to man with those corners? Like I

497
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: get all that frustration. And in this game, you know,

498
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 4: they the first two drives from Miami twenty two plays,

499
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty two yards, They last scrimmaged inside

500
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 4: the Patriots eight yard line on both drives. Now they

501
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 4: got the fourth down stop on the first drive. The

502
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 4: second drive, the Dolphins scored a touchdown. And this was

503
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 4: without Jalen Waddle, without Devon ah Chan of course you

504
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: know he hasn't played in forever, but without Tyreek Hill goes.

505
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: So this is not the Miami Dolphins offense that Tua

506
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 4: was unstoppable, you know for against the Patriots for a

507
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 4: while there. That being said, the one caveat that I

508
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 4: have been using and used last week too, I said

509
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: in the in the open ace cut it perfectly. This

510
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: is a start, fast starting Miami Dolphins offense. They have

511
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: been really, really good in their opening scripts since Quinn

512
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 4: Ewers took over. Mike McDaniel's good at it. You know,

513
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 4: he's good at scripting you up. And this is something

514
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: that I would say too, is what's the word. It's

515
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: kind of happening all over the NFL this year that

516
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 4: these offensive coaches have gotten really, really good at the

517
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: script and they a lot of these teams are giving

518
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Speaker 4: up opening drive touchdowns. Now, the Patriots are one of

519
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: the worst in the league at it, so they're even

520
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: relatively speaking bad. But this is still something that has

521
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: been propped up across the league that these whiz kids,

522
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 4: these offensive coordinators and these head coaches, you know, the

523
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: Shanahans of the world and stuff like that, they come

524
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Speaker 4: out with these great opening scripts and defenses adjust eventually

525
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 4: and the good ones are able to shut it down.

526
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Speaker 4: So after those first two drives the Miami Dolphins ran

527
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Speaker 4: thirty two plays, they gained fifty eight.

528
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Speaker 2: Yards the rest of the game.

529
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Speaker 4: So as much as I want to sit here and

530
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Speaker 4: say sometimes I get really frustrated with the defense in

531
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 4: the scheme and what they're doing, because they absolutely do.

532
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 4: The starts of games are a little bit troubling as

533
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 4: the opponents get better, but then they go to the

534
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: last three quarters of the game and they completely shut

535
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: down Miami. So it's it's hard to kind of, you know,

536
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: find like where I'm at with this whole thing.

537
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Speaker 1: Defensively, Yeah, it's weird because we keep saying it's not sustainable,

538
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: but they keep winning, right, So so true. You know,

539
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it in the playoffs eventually, I

540
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: think you can get got If you have a slow

541
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: start and you can't recover, you're not always going to recover.

542
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: But they keep recovering.

543
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Speaker 1: So I kind of have to, you know, tip my

544
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Speaker 1: cap them and say they keep recovering, right.

545
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Speaker 4: I mean, like the fear of course is and you

546
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: know this is not any like groundbreaking analysis, but the

547
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 4: fear of course is that you're going to play a

548
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: good team. They're going to go fourteenth to nothing, and

549
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: you're just gonna find yourself in a hole that you

550
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 4: can't get out of. Now, you like to think the

551
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: Patriots offense can go toe to tone, you wouldn't you know,

552
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: go completely into a nap on offense too. But if

553
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: the defense doesn't get that for it down stop against Miami,

554
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: then Miami opens this game touchdown, touchdown, and then you

555
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 4: might find yourself in a deficit, right, And that's the

556
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: part that is concerning. But the defense every week, it

557
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: seems like the game declares they get a feel for

558
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: what the opponent is doing. They took a few adjustments,

559
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: they get a feel for it, and they settled down.

560
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: So until they stopped doing that, then I guess we

561
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 4: just have to give them the benefit of doubt, right

562
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: all right? So that was only thoughts I really had

563
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 4: from this Miami game. Like I said, I didn't want

564
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: to spend a ton of time on it. Got almost

565
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: spent twenty six minutes on it, which was one more

566
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: than I wanted.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah, block field goal obviously not great. That felt like

568
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: more of a protection thing than a Borgalis thing. Agreed,

569
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Speaker 1: So they still have some things to clean up on

570
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: special teams. A little shaky coming into the playoffs here

571
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: in that unit. But credit to Andy Burgalis the longest

572
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: non preseason field goal in the history. So let's say

573
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Speaker 1: you have to say no, Castawski had a sixty yarder,

574
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: credit to him. But you know, I think good moment

575
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: for the kid, and you know, have that one block

576
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't his fault. You know, you don't

577
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: know where kickers confidence is at so I think it

578
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: was big to have him come back and droll that

579
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: like sneaky. The Patriots should beat the Dolphins if even

580
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: if he misses that kick. Ye but and very able

581
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: talked about this after the game. They have the kick blocked,

582
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: the defense comes out off the short field, forces the

583
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: field goal offense with no timeouts, gets in a field

584
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: goal range. Borgalis hits a long kick and the Patriots

585
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of run away from there. Like momentum play, momentum

586
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: play going into the break, and you want that from

587
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Speaker 1: your special teams.

588
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: It's momentum plays.

589
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: So especially because Miami got the kickoff to start in.

590
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Speaker 1: The second half, knowing that you have a guy that

591
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: can hit a fifty nine yarder in the cold too.

592
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Speaker 1: That was one of the questions when they took him,

593
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Speaker 1: and we said it at the time, there are gonna

594
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Speaker 1: be questions about him kicking in the cold, but you

595
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Speaker 1: there's no answer to it until he does it. We

596
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Speaker 1: just don't know, all right, you have a fifty nine

597
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: yarder and cold pretty good?

598
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Speaker 3: Yeah, him.

599
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Speaker 1: And for what I just said about special teams going

600
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Speaker 1: in a little shaky, it's more like the coverage units

601
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: the up front units.

602
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Speaker 3: Borgalis and Behinger was really good in this game, both

603
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: going in the in the playoffs feeling good.

604
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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I actually did watch the field goal

605
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: protection had to write in a game like this, and.

606
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: I congratulations for doing your job.

607
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: I do feel like the special teams every week, I

608
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 4: feel like there's like what like there's a good there's

609
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: a good thing, and there's a bad thing. Like this

610
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: week it was the blocked field goal against the Jets.

611
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: They gave up a fake punt and then they stopped

612
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 4: a fake punt. You know, it just feels like it

613
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: keeps going back and forth where they can't find that

614
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: consistent execution in all phases of special teams. The one

615
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: thing that I found a little bit promising was that

616
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: the Dolphins tried the same rush on the fifty nine

617
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: yard field goal attempt and they fixed it and they

618
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: blocked it in high Miss and Verderian Lower were fine

619
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: on that kick, So it was probably some sort of

620
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: you know, Low took the inside gap, Himis took the

621
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: outside gap.

622
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Nobody blocked Sack.

623
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: A stealer, so there's obviously some sort of assignment miscute.

624
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: Wasn't like the Steeler went right through and low or

625
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: I miss and just overpowered them. It was more of

626
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: like nobody blocked them. So in that case, like that's

627
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: usually a quick tweak and a quick adjustment on the

628
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: sideline and and you know whatever, you move on. But yeah,

629
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: that was not great. And we saw it on Sunday

630
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 4: night with Baltimore and Pittsburgh. You missed a field goal

631
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: I did to win a game, and now John Harbaugh's fired, right,

632
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: Like so it just it can fall apart quickly.

633
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: I want to get to some of that stuff too.

634
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: Like Washington, I think is another like cautionary tale that

635
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: I've always brought up, But Washington blew out both their coordinators.

636
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: They were in the NFC championship game. Yeah, you know,

637
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: like this stuff this changes quickly.

638
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: So what have you done for me lately? League?

639
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

640
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: And along those lines, you know, I think that there's

641
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, getting into the Chargers. There's

642
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people that I think feel that the

643
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: Patriots are kind of playing with house money at this point.

644
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 4: You know, when four team games in Mike Rable's first season,

645
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: for Drake may to have an MVP caliber season in

646
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: his second year, Like this is all kind of gravy

647
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: from here, and I mostly agree with that sentiment. But

648
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: at the same time, I do think that winning a

649
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: playoff game changes the feel of the entire thing. I

650
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: think it exercises some demons of like twenty twenty one PTSD,

651
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: where they have a good regular season and then they,

652
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: you know, they get destroyed in the playoffs by Buffalo.

653
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of teams in recent memory.

654
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: We are all obviously just closer to the twenty one

655
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 4: team with the Patriots, but there's a lot of teams

656
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: in recent memory that had these nice regular seasons where

657
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: they have these kind of comebacks or turnarounds or whatever

658
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: you want to call it, and they flame out in

659
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: the playoffs and then it kind of falls apart, right,

660
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: And the proof of concept of winning this game on

661
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: Sunday Night, where they can come out of this season

662
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: and say we won the division, we won a playoff game,

663
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: I think that is actually really huge. And even though

664
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: it's it is a little bit greedy to want them

665
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: to now to win a playoff.

666
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Against greedy, I think it's fair to reset expectations when

667
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: the team's played the way it has now to say

668
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: like Super Bowl or bust is getting greedy right to

669
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: say they should win a playoff game against a bang

670
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: up team, Southwest team coming east, different time zone, different climate,

671
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: all that. Like I think that's a fair expectation.

672
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: I do too.

673
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: And you know, if they win this game, house money

674
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: the rest of the way, right, Like, if they win

675
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: this one, I'm not gonna kill them for losing, you know,

676
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: in the divisional round or the AFC Championship game or

677
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. But in order to come out

678
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: of this season, to feel like you really accomplish something

679
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: beyond may was fantastic.

680
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: Rabel's clearly the right higher.

681
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: Like you have this whole thing built out now that

682
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: you feel really good about. I just want a little

683
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: bit more, you know, you just want that little cherry

684
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: on top would be to win this game on Sunday night.

685
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: And like you said that, they feel primed for it.

686
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 4: Like it feels like that this Chargers team, although it's

687
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: a playoff team and there's they present problems and we're

688
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: going to break it all down here, they feel beatable.

689
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like, you know, they're playing that Buffalo

690
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: team in twenty one or it's Mahomes or it's you know,

691
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: someone like that that it feels like a wagon is

692
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: coming here on Sunday night with these Chargers. So let's start,

693
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: you know, let's start with the Chargers offense, because I

694
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: think the biggest thing, you know, the two fears that

695
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: I have about this game, one of them is on

696
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: the defensive side for the Chargers Patriots offense, and that

697
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: is Jesse Minter and that scheme and the match coverages

698
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: and just it's kind of a unique different type of

699
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: defense that you have a little bit of concern that

700
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: maybe Drake may is just not going to see the

701
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: field particularly well against the defense like this. The other

702
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: thing that I would be concerned about, even though he's

703
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: playing with one hand, is Justin Herbert is phenomenal. Like

704
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert has the ability to come into this game

705
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: and be the best player on the field and take

706
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: the game over and win the quarterback battle and all

707
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.

708
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: And the fact that he has dragged.

709
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: This Chargers team with this offensive line and an okay

710
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: group of skilled players. I don't think they're great. I

711
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: think they're okay to eleven wins. Is because he is

712
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: an MVP caliber quarterback and he has that potential just

713
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: like Drake may to elevate everything. So if I had

714
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: to be afraid of anything in this matchup, Number one

715
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: is definitely just justin Herbert being a star and just

716
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: going out there and having a game and really, you know,

717
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: just having one of those dominant justin Herbert games.

718
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: He's great.

719
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: Now that being said, there's a lot of things that

720
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 4: they could take advantage of on the offensive line, but

721
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: Herbert has one of the few quarterbacks in the league

722
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: where I say, the quarterback matchup is about even you know,

723
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: it could maybe go to the Chargers at any given Sunday.

724
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: To me, it comes down and Herbert's played really well

725
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: with the hand. Now, how well does he handle the

726
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: ball in the cold and maybe wet like that could

727
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: be something that tilts things towards the Patriots. But I'm

728
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: really fascinated buying this game, and I don't want to

729
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: just blow by Herbert. But it's Herbert adjacent. A lot

730
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: of the times we talk about these playoff games, it's

731
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: strength on strength, right, Okay, who has with both these

732
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: teams usually lean on this. They're going head to head.

733
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Only one team's going to have the advantage. Here, which

734
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: team has advantage? I'm actually more fascinated in a weakness

735
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: on weakness matchup in this game, and that is Patriots

736
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: pass rush against Chargers offensive line.

737
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.

738
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, Herbert's been one of the most pressured quarterbacks

739
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: in the league. It's been He's the most pressured quarterback

740
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: in the league. This is a quarterbacks This is the.

741
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Worst pass blocking offensive line. Talking about the Chargers that

742
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: some of these advanced metrics that I am obsessed with,

743
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: you know, win rate things like that, since they started

744
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: tracking some of these this data, this is the worst

745
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: offensive line they've seen, Like worse than the Patriots line

746
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: last year.

747
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean this is good. They've had a

748
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: number of injuries. This is not close to what it

749
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Supposed to be a strength going into

750
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: the season when you have Sean Slater and Joe allt

751
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: should be they don't have you those guys.

752
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: Herbert's turnover rate way up this year.

753
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's the yards per attempt are down, And

754
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: I think I don't think that's him playing worse. I

755
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: think that's a product of the group in front of him.

756
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: He sped up at times things like that. So I

757
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: as good as Herbert has been, he has not been

758
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: just like most quarterbacks, he's not been as good under pressure.

759
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: Yea.

760
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: And that to me is where you level this game.

761
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: If you're the Patriots, can this pass rush take advantage

762
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: of a beat up Chargers offensive line and getting justin

763
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: Herbert's face? If they do that, he's not that He's

764
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: not that guy. He's not that guy when you're getting

765
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: in his face regularly, and if it's cold, and if

766
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of nasty out and if he's hurting, you know,

767
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: can you really put his back up against the wall

768
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: the Patriots. To bring it back to your point about

769
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert being a good player, because he is.

770
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: That's how you win this gaming for the Patriots is

771
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: you put Justin Herbert's back up against the wall. You

772
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: make him uncomfortable early, you make him uncomfortable often. I

773
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: think if they can do that, everything else takes care

774
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: of itself from there. That, to me is what this

775
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: comes down to. Herbert's passerrating, by the way against when

776
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: when kept clean one o four point six under pressure

777
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: seventy four point four, that's a Every quarterback's passerrating is

778
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: lower under pressure.

779
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: But I think at one point Drake Mays was higher

780
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: this year. Actually that's his he was.

781
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: His passer rating under pressure is over one hundred this year.

782
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: It's insane.

783
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, like that one oh four to seventy four

784
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: is a pretty wide gap.

785
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's eighteenth in EPA per drop back under

786
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: pressure this year. Okay, so pedestrian, well, and what is

787
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: he when he's not?

788
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: Uh?

789
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: I think because it's all about the gap.

790
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 4: So the problem with the gap in this particular instance

791
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: is this Chargers offensive line has just been so terrible

792
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: that the Chargers metrics aren't good on offense. You know,

793
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: they're twenty fourth in EPAAN scoring, Like that's just not

794
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 4: they're not a great offense on paper because the line

795
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: is just so beaten up in so bad. Now you

796
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 4: just mentioned though, like this is not a dominant Patriots

797
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 4: pass rush, you know, like I was watching the Chargers

798
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: Texans game, you know, over the last week, just watching

799
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: the film of that game. That's a no contest kind

800
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: of game because the Chargers can't block anybody, right, and

801
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: they're going up against that pass rush from Houston and

802
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: it's just it's blaps. It's like there's just no chance

803
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: that they're going to be able to protect Herbert. This

804
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: game feels a little bit differently. And I've heard this

805
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: commentary from some of the national people that you know,

806
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: if you're the Chargers, this is probably one of the

807
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: better matchups for you because the Patriots don't have will

808
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: Anderson and Daniel Hunter. Now with that being said, I

809
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: do think that the area that the Patriots can dominate

810
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 4: is on the interior with Milton Williams and Barmore. And

811
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: the thing I wrote down, you know, on my notes

812
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: here is just those guys have to dominate like they

813
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: the Patriots need. And this is a big rabel, as

814
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: like your best players need to play well in this league.

815
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: They need Christian Barmore and Milton Williams to dominate.

816
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Like.

817
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: Those guys have to be creating havoc on the interior.

818
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: It doesn't necessarily need to be them getting sacks, but

819
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: it needs them to be funneling towards Chase On and

820
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: Landry for pressure or getting pressure up the middle.

821
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: They they need to wreck the game.

822
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: Rights it's the term Belichick's use, game wrecker.

823
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: They need to wreck the game.

824
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: I will say chas On played better with the last

825
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: couple games, even going back to the to the Baltimore game.

826
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he kind of played a little bit

827
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: better down the stretch.

828
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: So and hopefully this rest will will do well for

829
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: Harold Landry. Hopefully he can come back and be fresher.

830
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 4: And that was the other thing that I wrote down.

831
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: You know, we'll find out at practice here later today.

832
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: But Splaine, Tonga Landry, are those guys out there or not?

833
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: And if they are out there, are they compromise or

834
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: are they able to play full tilt?

835
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Like?

836
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: Where where are they at physically?

837
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: Is going to be big in this game because I

838
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: think the other thing that the Patriots absolutely have to

839
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: do in this game is they have to be able

840
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: to stop the run. Now, the Chargers don't run the

841
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: ball particularly well because of that offensive line. The offensive

842
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: line is thirty second in pass block win rate. They're

843
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: thirty first and run block win right, they think, you know,

844
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: so they don't run the ball particularly well. But the

845
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: Chargers will put a full back on the field with

846
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: Matt Locke. They will put extra offensive linemen on the

847
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: field if need be, and they might try to come

848
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: in here and play bully ball and do the Roman

849
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 4: John har Jim Harbach, excuse me, thing and just try

850
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: to bowl you over. And if they do that sort

851
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 4: of thing, you know, how do the Patriots match that personnel?

852
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: First of all, I think is an interesting conversation when

853
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: they do put twenty or twenty one personnel out on

854
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: the field and get heavy.

855
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: But also, if you.

856
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: Can stop the run turn it into a drop back

857
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: passing game, maybe you start to play with the lead

858
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: a little bit. And now all of a sudden, Herbert

859
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: is dropping back forty five fifty times, and that line

860
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: will not hold up, not against this pass rush, not

861
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: against any pass rush. So eventually, if you can get

862
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: Herbert to have to drop back and drop back and

863
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: drop back, I still think the Patriots have enough to

864
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: win upfront in that sort of game.

865
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, to your it's a good point. They got

866
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: to stop the running, get a lead for that to happen.

867
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: So the Chargers I just mentioned offensively, you know a

868
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: little bit about Greg Roman, and then we'll get into

869
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: what I was about to say. Greg Roman was in

870
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: San Francisco with Jim, was in Baltimore with John and

871
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: both of those offenses ran around Lamar Jackson and Colin Kaepernick.

872
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: So those were I would call like option offenses like

873
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: they were college style option offenses. This offense doesn't do

874
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 4: it quite the same. They do feature some quarterback run,

875
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: but they don't do it a ton like they did

876
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: with Lamar and Kaepernick. But it's really weird to me

877
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: to watch this team play. They are twenty seventh in

878
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: the league in run rate. They don't run the ball

879
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: a lot, and they don't run it well, which is

880
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: like so backwards for Greg Roman and Jim Warre, like

881
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: that's not their typical mo. So when Rubber meets the road,

882
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: I still feel like they're going to try to put

883
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, Matt Locke. Their full back is three hundred pounds.

884
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 4: He's basically an extra offensive lineman. He's played both sides

885
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 4: of the ball. He's a classic, you know, Harbaugh football

886
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: guy kind of player. And I still think that that's

887
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: where they're going to try to start this game. They

888
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: run a lot of twenty personnel, so no tight end

889
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: on the field, three wide receivers, the full back, the

890
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: running back.

891
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: That's advantage for the Patriots if they do that.

892
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it hasn't been lately, but with Milton Williams back,

893
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: you hope so.

894
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just thinking in terms of like damn being

895
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: able to cover tight ends.

896
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: Right, So Gatston their tight end who we talked about

897
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 4: a little bit in the draft.

898
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: He's a receivers. He's not a tight end.

899
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: He's a big wide receiver kind of not as good,

900
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: but like kind of like a Kyle Pitts or like

901
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: a you know, Mike is SICKI or someone like.

902
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: He's more of a peer receiver. He's two hundred and

903
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: fifteen pounds.

904
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he doesn't block, Like that's not his game.

905
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: So if he's on the field, you know, they do

906
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 4: have that eleven personnel package with it McConkie and Quinton

907
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: Johnston and uh usually Keenan Allen and Gaston, and that package.

908
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: Is really where they live. Like that's really their offense.

909
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: You know.

910
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: I know that historically Roman and Harbaugh are run first guys,

911
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: you know, load up with big people on the field.

912
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: But that's not so really good whatever, he's two hundred

913
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: and forty pounds. I thought that was wrong. I was

914
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: looking at his dad's with people, Oh cheers, Dad's bio.

915
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's forty gats it. He doesn't block. It's

916
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: not but he doesn't block. You're right, he started his

917
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: career in college as why receive.

918
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, any places? Yeah, and he's just not gonna block.

919
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say two fifteen looks wrong, but yeah,

920
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: so dad, it was one game I remember watching he

921
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: killed the Patriots, me was with the Dolphins.

922
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: So this is all a long way of saying that,

923
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 4: you know, this Charger team has the personnel to maybe

924
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: try to run the ball and get heavy on you

925
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: and do that whole type of thing, but it's really

926
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 4: not what they've done well this year. Right, what they've

927
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: done well this year is yolo ball with Justin Herbert

928
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: like that. That's where their offense has lived. They're really

929
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: good on third day. He's really good on third down,

930
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: and they stay on the field a lot. And that

931
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: was another thing that Vrabel pointed out on Monday. They're

932
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: second in the league in time of possession. So they

933
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: want to shrink the game. They want to choke you out.

934
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: They want the defense to hold you down on the scoreboard.

935
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is going to make just enough plays to

936
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: score just enough points to win, and they're gonna choke

937
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: you out offensively like that. That's the way that they

938
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: win football games. And you know, the Patriots I think

939
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: need to turn this game into more of a track meet,

940
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 4: Like they need to get this scoring up, They need

941
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: to get Herbert to drop back a bunch, and they

942
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 4: need to get this game into more of like that

943
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: sort of type of game. That doesn't mean the Patriots

944
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: can't run the ball and all that kind of stuff,

945
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: but you don't want to get into like a grind

946
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 4: it out rock fight with this team. That's how the

947
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: Chargers are going to stay in this game, is if

948
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 4: you do it that way.

949
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you you, like, like I said before, you

950
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: want to put them in a situation where they have

951
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: to pass. You want to put them in a situation

952
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: where they become one dimensional.

953
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Before we move over to the Patriots offense versus

954
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: the Chargers defense, the matchups here on the receivers I

955
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: think is interesting. Now, the Patriots don't do a ton

956
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: of traveling or shadowing with their corners anyway, so it

957
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: might this all might be a moot point or maybe

958
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: like over analyzing a little bit, because that might not matter.

959
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: But I do think that it's interesting because even though

960
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: the numbers might say I think Keenan Allen is there

961
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: technically their leading receiver. I think Keenan Allen's kind of washed.

962
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 4: Like watching them on film, he just doesn't move very well.

963
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: He's still got that like crafty, you know, YMCA thing

964
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: going on where he can kind of get open on

965
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: third down and things like that, but he's not explosive.

966
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: I think Johnston and McConkie are far more explosive.

967
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: But when you walk at these these.

968
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: Receivers, Johnston corners here a little bit.

969
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: A little bit, you know, he's still kind of a

970
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 4: one trick pony, but it's a good trick when you

971
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 4: look at these receivers. The rub is that McConkie is

972
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 4: a slot. You know, he plays sixty three percent of

973
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: his routes or run out of the slot. So you're

974
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: probably not going to put Gonzalez on Mcconkeey, No, it's

975
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: Mark Jones. So Marcus Jones gonna get McConkie. It's been

976
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: a great year for Marcus Johns. I'm not trying to

977
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: throw shade at Marcus Jones, but to me, I still

978
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: feel like this offense starts and ends with McConkey.

979
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: Am I crazy that I actually like that matchup for

980
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: the Patriots?

981
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: You're not crazy.

982
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: M conky's run so hot and cold this year.

983
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: He yes, yes, so when he's hot, he's dynamic.

984
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. But Mark Jones a very consistent player.

985
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Yep.

986
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: I just I look at this as an interesting matchup

987
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: from that standpoint. You know, it's not a traditional passing

988
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: game where the outside guys are really the volume guys.

989
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: It's really the volume guys are mconkie, Keenan Allen, Gadsden,

990
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: and Quentin Johnson is kind of their big play guy

991
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: on the outside, like sort of like.

992
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: Their Keishawn Boody.

993
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 4: Right, So you know, do you it's not a waste

994
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: to put Gonzales on Quentin Johnston because Johnson can't get

995
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: behind the defense and can separate down the field, So

996
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: it's it's an.

997
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: Important Johnston and or would you put him on Keenan Allen,

998
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying.

999
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: No, I think I would probably stick with Gonzales on Johnston.

1000
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably do that.

1001
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: I'd probably put Marcus Jones is going to cover McConkie

1002
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 4: in the slot. Maybe you give him some bracket or

1003
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: you know, like robber help in the middle of the

1004
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: field that allows him to kind of play leverage a

1005
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: little bit better. And then I think that you kind

1006
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: of live with Carlton Davis and Keenan Allen. Yeah, and

1007
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, that might be the matchup

1008
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: that kind of decides this game when the Chargers have

1009
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 4: the ball is whoever covers Gatston on the tight end

1010
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: and then you know, Carlton Davis versus Keenan Allen. And

1011
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 4: the one thing I would say about Carlton Davis this year,

1012
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: and it happened a couple times against Miami, when he

1013
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: plays like those like fast, twitchy receivers, I do think

1014
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: those guys give him problems. You know, some of the

1015
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: fast Dolphins guys ToJ Washington especially, gave him some issues.

1016
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: That's not Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen is.

1017
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: Like old throwback, thrifty, like crafty receiver. I think that

1018
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis will be fine because he's not gonna get

1019
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: run by by Keenan Alleny. So I don't mind that matchup.

1020
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: The Gadsdon one's interesting. He's a good player. He's he's

1021
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: a good receiving tight end. He can win down the seam,

1022
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: he can win at the catch point. Do you trust

1023
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: the safeties, you know, do you trust Woodson or Jalen

1024
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 4: Hawkins or Mapu or like, how do you cover him?

1025
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: They're they're not going to put the corner on the

1026
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: tight end.

1027
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: They're just like I'm giving up on thinking that they're

1028
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: going to make that adjustment.

1029
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: And this isn't necessarily a game where you would do

1030
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: that any now.

1031
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: No, So I think that within this matchup, whoever covers Gadsden,

1032
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 4: whoever covers Keenan Allen, that's going to kind of decide

1033
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: this game. To me, you know, it's like those kind

1034
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 4: of chess matches there, but I think we're on the

1035
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: same page in terms of how to distribute it. But

1036
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 4: it's going to be decided there. All right, let's move

1037
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 4: over to the defense. The Chargers defense. I think a

1038
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: couple of things about the Chargers defense that stand out

1039
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: to me. Really big, physical defensive line. They got five

1040
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: guys that they go across a defensive line. Uh to

1041
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: to a polo two is a right. Yeah, underrated player

1042
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: needs to be talked about more.

1043
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Tart Jamari Calwell guy in the draft we talked a.

1044
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: Little bit about from Oregon.

1045
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: Uh Khalil Mack. Even though he's not the juicy, explosive

1046
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: guy that he once was. He and he's physical and

1047
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: he's strong as hell. So that uh, and then uh,

1048
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 4: you know Oway, the guy that got from Baltimore, gives

1049
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: him some twitch on the inside. He's got some pass

1050
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: rush moves and he's long and all that kind of stuff.

1051
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 4: So this defensive line, to me is is really physical.

1052
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 4: They're really big, They're tough to move in the run game.

1053
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 4: It's a good group. It's a group group up front

1054
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: and two. Polo two is one of the more underrated

1055
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: players in the league right now. He's six in the

1056
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 4: league in sacks. He's got seventy pressures on the season. Uh,

1057
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: he's a sneaky good player. So I look at that

1058
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: and then the other thing that I look at from

1059
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: this group, and then I want to get to the

1060
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 4: real big picture stuff.

1061
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: Derwin James.

1062
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: You know, Derwin James is there, Kyle Hamilton, he's their

1063
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 4: chess piece. He's playing in the box mostly this year,

1064
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: but they've been really, really good against heavy personnel groupings,

1065
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: whether it's twenty one or twelve, which the Patriots like

1066
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: to play a lot of. Because Derwin's playing the nickel

1067
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: and he's kind of this Swiss army knife player. So

1068
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: when you look at the five guys across the defensive

1069
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: line for the Chargers, and then you also look at

1070
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: Derwin like, I think this is a tough group to

1071
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: run on, Like, I don't really know, you we'll find

1072
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: out if this run game is for real against his defense,

1073
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: because it's those five up front and then it's the

1074
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: sixth guy. Is Derwin playing to run in a physical

1075
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 4: run player as well? So it's gonna be a challenge

1076
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: to run the football in this game.

1077
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Jefferson's not that too, their other safety, and

1078
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: he can make plays at line scrimmage as well. So

1079
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: it is they're big upfront, they're gonna try to bully you.

1080
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: They can't try to bully you up front.

1081
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely.

1082
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: I mean Mac and two Polo two are are power rushers,

1083
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: like they are linear power rushers. They're good at it,

1084
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: but they're not like these twitchy guys. And you know,

1085
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 4: for Campbell, I think that that's some there's a positive

1086
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: to that, and there's a you know, he had some

1087
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: issues with with bull rushes against Bradley Chubb, but I

1088
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: think I'd rather Campbell place a bull rusher than face

1089
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: a guy that can really win with speed to the edge,

1090
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: especially you know, with some of his deficiencies, I think

1091
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: that that's probably the better matchup for Will Campbell. So

1092
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: the one other thing I'd mentioned with twy polo two, uh,

1093
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 4: they move him around a ton, so he doesn't just

1094
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 4: play on one side of the line. He has about

1095
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: an even split over the left and right tackle, and

1096
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: he also rushes sometimes on the inside too, so they

1097
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: kind of played him on all five spots. So with

1098
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 4: a guy like that, it like half the battle is

1099
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: just finding out where he is. It's not always going

1100
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: to be here he's over the left tackle or he's

1101
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: over the right tackle, which is often easier to you know,

1102
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 4: scheme things up, you know, whether it's chips or whatever

1103
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: the case may be. So that's them personnel wise, the

1104
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: two guys personnel wise too, And then I want to

1105
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: get to some of the scheme stuff that I would

1106
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 4: expect the Patriots to go at. Is cam Hart, who's

1107
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 4: the other corner for them. Dante Jackson's had a pretty

1108
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: good year for them and still's there. Nichol is pretty

1109
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: good too, but cam Hart, they're I think he's the

1110
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: second year now, right, he was twenty four draft class.

1111
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: He can he can be had and.

1112
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: Molding their other safety, not Tony Jefferson, not Derwin James.

1113
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of they're their other safety, so kind

1114
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: of they're like secondary, secondary guys, right as I say,

1115
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: Benjamin Saint Jus, the guy that that's played for them

1116
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: this year that's had some issues.

1117
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So just looking at the matchups here, you know,

1118
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: this is one of those games where if Kaishawn Boodie

1119
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 4: or Kyle Williams gets matched up on the outside against

1120
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: Cam Hart or Saint Jus, like that's going to be the.

1121
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: Matchup, right, you know, and that's gonna especially when they

1122
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: have to.

1123
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: Win, especially Kyle Williams, because those guys are more big,

1124
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: physical corner.

1125
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 3: He's a burner. He should be able to get by them.

1126
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm looking for you know, it doesn't have

1127
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 4: to be a high volume, but can you hit one

1128
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: or two bombs to Booty or Kyle Williams you know

1129
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: on the backside of quarters here, which we'll talk about

1130
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: in a second, you know, with one of those you know,

1131
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: the second or third corner outside corner on them instead

1132
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: of Dante Jackson. I think that that's an option as

1133
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: well for the Patriots. So just talking a little bit

1134
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: about the scheme defensively, and then we got to take

1135
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: a break.

1136
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest thing with the scheme.

1137
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: I can't say enough like positive things about Jesse Minter.

1138
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: That guy's going to be a head coach in the NFL.

1139
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: He does a really, really good job.

1140
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: Are you advocating for defensive head coach.

1141
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does a great job. He does a great job. Now,

1142
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: they they run a lot of quarters. They are quarters

1143
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: based defense, so it's four guys up top, you know,

1144
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: down at the deep part of the field.

1145
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: But it has a lot of man to it.

1146
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: Like so even though it kind of registers as zone

1147
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: and like all of these advanced metrics and stuff like that,

1148
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 4: it's kind of flexible. It's fluid right where sometimes they

1149
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: match coverage down the field and they're matching verticals, which

1150
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: is more the traditional way to do it. And then

1151
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 4: sometimes they match it underneath and they have like the linebackers,

1152
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: you'll match the backs and the tight ends underneath. So

1153
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 4: there's a lot of man to man principles to this defense.

1154
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: The one thing I will say though about the defense

1155
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: is that Drake may has been excellent against zone all

1156
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: year long. He has the highest EPA per dropback the

1157
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 4: highest passer rating against zone coverage in the NFL, and

1158
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: technically speaking, even though there has there's some fluidity to it.

1159
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: The Chargers play zone on eighty one percent of their dropbacks.

1160
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: They are a zone defense. They only play man to

1161
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 4: man on first and second down nine percent of the time,

1162
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 4: which is crazy low. Like that is, you know, one

1163
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: of the lowest rates of man coverage on early downs

1164
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: in the in the NFL. So first and second down

1165
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: you're getting zoned. It's probably going to be quarters or

1166
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 4: cover three. Drake May has destroyed both those zone coverages

1167
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: all year long, so it's a strength on strength matchup.

1168
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: They don't give up a lot of big plays. They

1169
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 4: don't give up a lot in those zone coverages. Drake

1170
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: May shred zone and only degenerates explosives against zone like

1171
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: he just kills it. So who's gonna win out And

1172
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 4: that situation is probably gonna ultimately all this other weed

1173
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: stuff that we're talking about. I would say that is

1174
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 4: probably the number one factor of what's going to decide

1175
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: this football game. Can the Patriots pass rush beat the

1176
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 4: Chargers offensive line, and can the Patriots beat the Chargers

1177
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: in zone?

1178
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: I'll just add to that like, and you talked a

1179
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: little earlier about how much they'll spin the dial. The

1180
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Chargers force a lot of turnovers and Drake may has

1181
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: been a lot better about limiting those turnovers this year,

1182
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: but this is going to be another test. So keeping

1183
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: that turnover down. And the Chargers turn the ball over too.

1184
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: They're like middle of the pack in terms of turnover margin,

1185
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: but it's because they force turnovers a lot and they

1186
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: turn the ball over a lot. Yeah, so you know,

1187
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots, if you can hold onto the football, the

1188
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: Chargers will give you a couple and that could be

1189
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: a big swing.

1190
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: So I have one point about that, and before you

1191
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: head to break, but really quickly, one more thing about

1192
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 4: the defense for the Chargers. I don't think they give

1193
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 4: up a ton of explosive plays in volume, but over

1194
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks they have given up some

1195
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 4: x plays in the passing game. Houston hit two long

1196
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: touchdowns against them in that game, a seventy five yarder

1197
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 4: and I think Jalen Knowles was like forty forty five yards.

1198
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 4: The week before that, George Pickens got behind him for

1199
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 4: a big touchdown against Dallas. I remember earlier on in

1200
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: the season when Mena Comas was making the rounds because.

1201
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Of the quarters thing like do you where.

1202
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: You can't forget can't what was it? You can't throw verticals?

1203
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: Yes? Quarters, Yeah, you could absolutely throw over the top

1204
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: of quarters.

1205
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 4: And in all these instances that I just brought up,

1206
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: whether it was Noel Higgins Pickens, it was all quarterbacks

1207
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 4: throwing over the top of quarters. What does Drake may

1208
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 4: love to do? He loves to throw the deep ball.

1209
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: If they get these quarters coverages, they can get one

1210
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: on one matchups on the outside against quarters. And I

1211
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: fully expect Drake made a bomb away when he sees that.

1212
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: So I do think that statistically the Chargers are eighth

1213
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: in the league, eighth best in terms of giving up

1214
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: explosive pass plays. But I think that they've given up

1215
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: a few big ones over the last couple of weeks

1216
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: and schemes and things like that that Josh McDaniels is

1217
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: going to see on film and it's going to say,

1218
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: we can replicate that. You know, we can get Kaysehawan

1219
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 4: Boody on the backside, you know, vertical, or we can

1220
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 4: hit the big post on quarters, or we can do this,

1221
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: you know, the different things that the Texans and the

1222
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 4: Cowboys were able to do against this defense. So I

1223
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 4: do think there is a formula there for the Patriots

1224
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: to have a lot of success in the passing game

1225
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 4: against his charger zone. But I also think that there's

1226
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 4: a world where the chargers zones kind of throw them

1227
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: off a little bit because it's unique, it's a different

1228
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: kind of scheme. So whoever wins out in that matchup

1229
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: is going to be fascinating to watch. So that's oh

1230
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: last thing you mentioned about the turnovers. Yeah, pre and

1231
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: post broken hand. For Justin Herbert first thirteen games of

1232
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 4: the season or twelve games of the season pre hand injury,

1233
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: he only had two fumbles the entire first you know,

1234
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 4: let's call it half of the season before he broke

1235
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: his hand, his non throwing hand, and they both happened

1236
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 4: in the same game. Since he broke his hand, he's

1237
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 4: fumbled five times.

1238
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: So and member's gonna be cold and it might be wet.

1239
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: He only has one hand on the ball right like,

1240
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 4: he can't put the other hand on the ball. The

1241
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: other hands in this like big cast thing. It's great,

1242
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: kind of like crazy. It's almost like watching Gronk with

1243
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 4: the bionic arm like play out there. Yeah, so he can't.

1244
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: He can't grip the ball with his left hand. So

1245
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: if you're a pass rusher, if he's running with the football,

1246
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: which he does at a really high level, he's second

1247
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: in the league in the rushing yards by quarterbacks. It's

1248
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: alan Herbert may in terms of rushing yards by quarterbacks.

1249
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: Punching at the ball, Man, punch the ball, pry it out,

1250
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 4: rip it out, do what you gotta do. U. But

1251
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: this is like a gang tackle Herbert kind of game,

1252
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: where like one guy goes for the tackle and one

1253
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 4: guy should be going for the ball at all times

1254
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: because that hand is not healthy and he can't put

1255
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 4: two hands on the football. So if you look at

1256
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 4: his fumble splits, I's gotten lucky in terms of fumble luck.

1257
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: He hasn't lost a bunch of fumbles, but he has

1258
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: put the ball on the ground.

1259
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's still you're losing yards. You're moving backwards like.

1260
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: You hope the ball bounces your way once and you

1261
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 4: make a game change in play that way.

1262
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: Current forecast thirty five degrees at kickoff. Not wet, though

1263
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: it's supposed to rain a little bit in the morning,

1264
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: but should be done like twelve hours before the game,

1265
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: all right, as of right now, these things change, all right.

1266
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: So that's your Chargers preview.

1267
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 4: We can still talk about the Chargers plenty here in

1268
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 4: the second hour of the show. I just wanted to

1269
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 4: get all that out in terms of setting the table

1270
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 4: on the Chargers.

1271
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break.

1272
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after the break, and we'll continue

1273
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: talking about this playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like the.

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Speaker 4: Black pair would match pretty well with the khakis. Sure,

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Speaker 2: We need to get bar compare too, so we'll do

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Speaker 2: that as well.

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Speaker 4: A T S. All right, let's take some of these

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Speaker 4: calls and emails. I know you guys have been waiting,

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Speaker 4: and we'll talk a little bit of charges. I also

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Speaker 4: want to talk a little bit about the coaching cycle,

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Speaker 4: because I have some takes on that that I find

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Speaker 4: this stuff fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Do you find like I don't know if you do, but.

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Speaker 4: Like this, like John Harbaugh thing, what's going on in Washington.

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Speaker 1: I find all that stuff super see, like the MVP thing.

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Speaker 2: I've already non litigated.

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Speaker 1: The MVP thing so much that I'm over it.

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Speaker 3: I've discovered something.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let's first. I'm sure there'd be some

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Speaker 4: MVP talk. Patty is a nag on what's up? Patty?

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Speaker 9: Hey, what's up? Gentlemen?

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Speaker 2: How you doing good?

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Speaker 9: I'll got a few things to go over, so I'll

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Speaker 9: make them quick. First off, I apologize for kind of

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Speaker 9: the bijan control job last week. That was kind of

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Speaker 9: a little bit of a troll job. I know it

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Speaker 9: would never really realistically happen, but Alex, I gotta I

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Speaker 9: gotta tell you, buddy, I'm with you on the game

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Speaker 9: used to be perfect when it was sixteen games, twelve

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Speaker 9: playoff teams and sudden death overtime. And I just wish

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Speaker 9: it would go back to that because it was perfect.

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Speaker 9: It was a perfect formula.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 9: And and I believe they're going to go to eighteen

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Speaker 9: games of probably eight playoff teams and the and the

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Speaker 9: pool is going to be diluted. But whatever, let's just

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Speaker 9: let's enjoy this run while we're at it. On the game.

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Speaker 9: I feel like Evan, like you said I would, I

1382
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Speaker 9: would be a little bit disappointed if they don't win.

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Speaker 9: I'm kind of expecting them to win. And if they

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Speaker 9: win this one game, I'm good. Like we're playing with

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Speaker 9: house money after that, mostly because Justin Herbert kind of

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 9: turns into a puddle of big games. And if you

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Speaker 9: guys remember kind of his big not coming out of

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Speaker 9: college out of Oregon was he had like everything, like

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Speaker 9: you know, he's like the perfect perfect job, athletic profile

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Speaker 9: to play quarterback, but he has kind of like a

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Speaker 9: care free attitude. That's what I That's what I remember

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Speaker 9: hearing about him. And if you go through like the

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Speaker 9: last four big games that he's played, including last year's

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Speaker 9: playoff which was glaring or he threw three picks all

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Speaker 9: year and through four interceptions in the playoffs, you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm just expecting them to win. And the question that

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Speaker 9: I'm going to end with is I'm always looking forward

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Speaker 9: to the next season. This I think is realistic. Who

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Speaker 9: would say no to this? Give up our first for

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Speaker 9: Max because who are going to find in the draft?

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 9: But in the Max Crosby and Alex do you have

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Speaker 9: any thoughts on Skuyler Bell wide receiver out of Yukon.

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Speaker 9: I'll kick it off there, guys. Let's go always playoff time, baby.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I I'm all in on the Max Crosby thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this. We were texting about it the

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Speaker 2: last week.

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Speaker 4: I it seems like it makes all the sense in

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Speaker 4: the world. They're they're gonna be in a position and

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Speaker 4: I know we're talking about a playoff game on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: we're already talking about the off season.

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Speaker 2: But that's what the shadows.

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Speaker 1: So many off season questions in my mail back this week,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's playoffs, people will find it.

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Speaker 3: Nope, and we've said this is an offseason show.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the big reason why is because

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Speaker 4: we all can kind of feel that they're close, but

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Speaker 4: they're probably not fully there yet, which is totally valid

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Speaker 4: given that they're only one year into this thing. Max

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Speaker 4: Crosby is a type of move that they've now set

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Speaker 4: themselves up to make though they are they are one

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Speaker 4: or two pieces away. Now, we didn't think that at

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Speaker 4: the beginning of the season when like Mike Parsons was available,

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Speaker 4: for example, But now I'm going to definitely think that

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Speaker 4: going into next offseason, and if you look at their

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: biggest needs, I still think that they need another playmaker offensively.

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 4: They're gonna need to keep drafting lineman offensively offensive line,

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 4: but pass.

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Speaker 1: Rusher on the edge is number one. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a hell of a pass rusher. They're depending on what

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Speaker 1: happens with Diggs and mac Hollins and their contracts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and more than Moses their three biggest needs. And that's

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Speaker 1: not they don't have needs on offense. Their three biggest

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Speaker 1: needs may all be on defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know you.

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Speaker 1: Trade for Max Crosby, that that really gets you going.

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Speaker 1: That checks the box emphatically.

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Speaker 4: He's just such a Rable guy. Like Rable's number one,

1440
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: not negotiables, effort, and finish. There is nobody that plays

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 4: with a hotter motor than.

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Speaker 1: Maxican and especially I think a guy coming from an

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: organization that's just been bad and clearly wants a chance

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: to win and is going to have a chance to

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: do that here. Yeah, I love the idea. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I can take it a step further. I think

1447
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day. We were going

1448
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: through like weird snares of the offseason. Let's say the

1449
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Ravens are just totally starting over, right, if I don't think,

1450
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is.

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: A bit much would the race.

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01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: If you don't want to trade the first Let's say, like,

1453
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: let's say the Ravens totally start over, right, Lamar Jackson

1454
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: becomes available. If you're the Ravens, you maybe don't want

1455
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: to trade the first overall pick. If you trade Max

1456
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: Crosby for a first or a package, well, now you

1457
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: have another pick you can use to flip for Lamar

1458
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: and really get the rebuild started. We're talking about the Raiders,

1459
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: the Raiders basically the Raiders in the in the Ravens

1460
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: trading Lamar for Max Crosby with the paid well, no,

1461
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: do the Patriots facilitate it? So the Patriots give the

1462
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: Raiders extra AMMO and trade for Lamar Jacks without having

1463
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: to trade the first overall pick or maybe the Ravens

1464
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Speaker 1: Raiders then trade down to four and keep because I hear,

1465
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: do you get what I'm saying? Like, you don't want

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01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: to give the number one on Mar Jackson's worth a lot,

1467
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: but you need more around him, and giving up that

1468
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: asset for him, you're not gonna be able to put

1469
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: around what you need, right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the Ravens would do that either.

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Speaker 1: It's just I've kind of been going through these things

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Speaker 1: in my head.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I I'm all in on Crosby. I mean, uh,

1474
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, I'd probably rather be Chase on but he's

1475
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 4: gonna be a free agent. And they actually played together

1476
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 4: in Vegas, and that's right. Jason had a pretty good

1477
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 4: year rushing opposite at Crosby. But you go into next

1478
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: year even you know, just thinking out loud, like with

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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: Landry Barmore, Williams and Crosby as your front four, that

1480
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 4: that is a hell of a group up front. It's

1481
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 4: gonna cost you picks, it's gonna cost you money. But

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 4: that's a type of like let's put this thing over

1483
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 4: the top type right. All right, that's enough on the

1484
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: off season during you know, five days before a playoff game.

1485
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Speaker 3: But I'm sure it was fun.

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01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: Danny's in Daytona.

1487
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: What's up Danny the Baits? What's up Danny? Danny? All right,

1488
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: call back Danny and we'll get you on. Sean is

1489
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: in Vancouver or what's up Sean I'm wondering about coverage.

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, we were saying, you know, the different

1491
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 8: man coverages that we have for everybody, but let's say

1492
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 8: you could buy in it and you have sometimes Davis

1493
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 8: on Keenan Allen like you said, and Gonzo on Johnson,

1494
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 8: do you think they could have some zone underneath with that,

1495
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 8: like just suppress of the defensive plane zone And I'll

1496
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 8: leave you with that.

1497
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: Go back, Thanks Sean so who said Davis on.

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Speaker 3: Who I couldn't hear his phone was kind of in

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Speaker 3: and out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think so this is another kind of big

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 4: picture of conversation, which is why I think he's asking.

1502
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of like stuff going on on

1503
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 4: the film, Twitter and things like that right now about

1504
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 4: corners traveling with specific receivers, and we're starting to see

1505
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 4: more and more across the league. Uh that fade away

1506
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 4: and go away more and more.

1507
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 3: Which is a shame. I think everyone. Trent Brown had

1508
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: the idea of tackles traveling with pass rush.

1509
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the days of like you know, Darrell Reeves

1510
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 4: taking Randy Moss for the entire game.

1511
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,520
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour used to do it a lot.

1512
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 3: Of the meetings.

1513
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 4: See you, Uh that that kind of thing is starting

1514
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 4: to fade away. And I think that the coaching Twitter community,

1515
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: like the high school and college coaches that are on

1516
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 4: Twitter that I appreciate a lot, explain a lot of

1517
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 4: things about the game to people like us trying to learn. Uh,

1518
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 4: the the biggest thing that they kind of come back

1519
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 4: with are kind of twofold one. It might simplify things

1520
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 4: for that one player in the defense, but it actually

1521
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 4: complicates everything else because now you have guys that maybe

1522
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 4: you are playing at a position like for example, just you know,

1523
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 4: this is kind of simplified, but if Christian Gonzalez travels

1524
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 4: inside with lad Maconki.

1525
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: Right, where does Marcus Jones go? Right now?

1526
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 4: Marcus Jones might have to play on the outside against

1527
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 4: like a Quentin Johnson or Trey Harris, and you probably

1528
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 4: don't like that matchup. And on top of that, he's

1529
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 4: not comfortable playing out there, So there's like a trickle

1530
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: dat effect from that standpoint as well. Uh, And then

1531
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 4: you know, you kind of get into this whole thing

1532
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 4: of like it's good for one person, but it's not

1533
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 4: good for the other tensions.

1534
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: So that's why, like and not that many teams do

1535
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: this because you have to have insane talent to do this. Yeah,

1536
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: having all your corners follow guys, which the Patriots did

1537
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: at one point, Like, that's I think this Patriots, he

1538
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: might have the personnel for it.

1539
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 4: Most he's like the Revus Browner Patriots, where Browner would

1540
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 4: take the bigger guy and revis would.

1541
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: Take the number one. Right that that sort of thing.

1542
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: The other element to it, in terms of like why

1543
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 4: teams aren't traveling as much is disguise, and disguise has

1544
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 4: become one of the most we're in things in defensive

1545
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 4: football because these quarterbacks and these offenses systematically are just

1546
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 4: too good at undressing defense. If you don't hide your

1547
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 4: cards defensively, if you just kind of sit in the

1548
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 4: same pre snap look as you sit in post snap, like,

1549
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks are going to figure it out too quickly

1550
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,520
Speaker 4: and you're gonna get shredded. So if you travel Gonzalez

1551
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 4: into the slot, then you have two options. Either Gonzales

1552
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: either you're declaring you're playing man and you're just tipping

1553
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 4: your hand that you're playing man to man. Or the

1554
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 4: other thing that you could do is you have to

1555
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 4: teach Gonzalez how to play the slot. Right, So now

1556
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 4: he's got to be able to do all the things

1557
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 4: in the zone and the runfit that Marcus Jones does.

1558
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 2: Playing the full time nickel role. Now you have to.

1559
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 4: Train your other corners that usually play on the outside

1560
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 4: to play inside. So a lot of teams are just

1561
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 4: kind of getting to the point now.

1562
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: Where it's just not worth it.

1563
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 4: It's just not worth the trouble to have guys shot,

1564
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 4: and I know that that drives fans crazy, especially when

1565
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 4: you have a great cover corner like Christian Gonzales that

1566
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 4: should be able to do that. But that's just the

1567
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: reality of it. That's what they do. So it'll be

1568
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 4: interesting to see if that continues for the Patriots moving forward.

1569
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 4: I don't think this is the game where you have

1570
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 4: Gonzales shadow a specific receiver. I think they spread the

1571
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: ball around pretty good and they have like different kinds

1572
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 4: of elements that aren't necessarily It's not like you're going

1573
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 4: up against like the Bengals and Jamar Chase where he's

1574
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 4: just going to follow Jamar Chase around the field, so

1575
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 4: it's a little bit different. I don't really know if

1576
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 4: they have a matchup in this playoff field, in this

1577
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 4: tournament that screams doing that. Like maybe if you get

1578
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 4: to the super Bowl and you play you know, Seattle

1579
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 4: or the Rams or something like that, and it's Pukah

1580
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 4: or it's JSN. But in the AFC, I mean, you're

1581
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 4: probably going to go most likely, you're probably going to

1582
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: go what like Chargers, Jaguars, Broncos or something like that.

1583
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 3: And how much do you respect Brian Thomas Junior.

1584
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: Who has not had a good year. No, he's Myers

1585
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: is really yeah?

1586
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: You're right too. Uh oh, DK Metcalf.

1587
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: That would well down the road and you'd have to

1588
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: get some weird results for that to happen.

1589
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: But they could be the it could be uh actually.

1590
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: No, that's not true. Oh no, if all the favorites win, No.

1591
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 4: If if the sixth seed, if if Buffalo wins, then

1592
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 4: the Patriots to play the winner of four five.

1593
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 3: You're right, Actually, it's not that ridiculous. So DK Metcalf,

1594
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: K Metcalf.

1595
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 4: If Nico Collins is healthy and playing, I don't know.

1596
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 4: So weird things going on with Nico Collins in Houston.

1597
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 4: He was like a healthy scratch last week. I think

1598
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 4: they were just resting him, but who knows. Uh, So

1599
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 4: it's an interesting conversation that's probably not meant for a

1600
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 4: a playoff show like this one. But the corner is

1601
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 4: traveling and all that kind of stuff has been a

1602
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 4: popular topic on a you know on my feed, which

1603
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 4: is a bunch of nerds that talk about football all

1604
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 4: the time.

1605
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: A couple of emails. I want to take some emails.

1606
01:13:58,479 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1607
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 4: So Danny asking a Chargers defense question, uh, with Evans

1608
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 4: saying the Chargers are running Uh, I'm gonna call it quarters. Danny, Like,

1609
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 4: cover four to me is different from quarters. That's another

1610
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: submitting difference. So cover four spot drop right, like you're

1611
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 4: just dropping into into four deep zone four deep three

1612
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 4: underneath quarters has got like match principles right where guys

1613
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 4: are matching like verticals or matching underneath routs like I

1614
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 4: was talking about earlier. So I think, like the the

1615
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 4: traditional cover four is dead. Like you don't really see

1616
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 4: a lot of teams just running pure spot drop cover

1617
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 4: four anymore. Everybody is pretty much running match quarters, which

1618
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 4: is like the new thing in the league. Fangio kind

1619
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 4: of started it, I would say, like he's probably credited

1620
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,799
Speaker 4: the most was starting it. But it's kind of funny,

1621
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 4: like the Texans, the this Chargers defense, and what was

1622
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 4: Jacksonville are all play playing this kind of defense. Now,

1623
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 4: they're all playing a ton of match quarters or quarter

1624
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 4: quarter half, which is covers it.

1625
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: That's good news for the Patriots because who is it

1626
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: sit again the Chargers, the Texans, and the Jaguars.

1627
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: Yes, that could be their path. Yeah, those three teams

1628
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: are playing back to the Super Bowl. Denver plays a

1629
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 4: ton of man. They still play a ton of man

1630
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 4: with Stingley. But all these teams are running all this

1631
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: quarters coverage and it's like the thing to do defensively now, uh,

1632
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 4: to limit the explosive plays. So anyway, sorry, Danny, that's

1633
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 4: the semantics thing.

1634
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: Evan is saying. The Chargers run a lot of quarters

1635
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: most of the time.

1636
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 4: What is the second and most their second and third

1637
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 4: most frequent coverage that they run.

1638
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: Is there any chance they completely switch from quarters? It's

1639
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: a good question.

1640
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 9: Uh.

1641
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 4: This is probably something that you know is going to

1642
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 4: also be the game within the game. Like if the

1643
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 4: Patriots come out opening drive first couple drives, McDaniels is

1644
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 4: in his bag with the quarters beaters and Drake may

1645
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: just is shredding their quarters defenses. They play cover three

1646
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 4: a ton now next Gen says it's cover three. Quarters

1647
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 4: can kind of look like cover three sometimes to the

1648
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 4: AI bot, so like it's kind of it depends on

1649
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 4: you know what down you're really talking about. But they

1650
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 4: play a lot of Cover three, and they play a

1651
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 4: lot of Cover two as like sort of their change

1652
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 4: ups to quarters. So they'll play some Tampa two with

1653
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 4: the pull runner in the middle of the field, and

1654
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 4: they'll play some three buzz where you know, they start

1655
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: in too high safety and then they rotate one of

1656
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 4: the safeties down into the short zone and then they

1657
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 4: create Cover three.

1658
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: Out of that.

1659
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,839
Speaker 4: So could they pivot to that? Absolutely, maybe more Tampa.

1660
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 4: I don't think I would pivot to cover three against

1661
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 4: Drake May. I think that's a death sentence. But I

1662
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 4: could see them pivoting to more two or two man

1663
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 4: as sort of a compliment to the quarter stuff. But

1664
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: to me, like, if you're gonna play too high safety anyways,

1665
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: like it's not it's kind of the same thing, like

1666
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: if you're gonna play quarters, or if you're gonna play

1667
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 4: two man, there's cover two. It's really kind of the

1668
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 4: same thing. There's another question here. Let me see if

1669
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 4: I can find the exact email that I meant to

1670
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 4: hit on earlier and I forgot when we were talking

1671
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 4: about the run game? Is Ben Brown? This is from

1672
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 4: David Maine. Is Ben Brown a better guard than Jared

1673
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 4: Wilson for the run game? Seems like every time he's playing,

1674
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 4: the running backs have a quote unquote breakout game. So

1675
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 4: the Ben Brown Jared Wilson conversation I think is really

1676
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 4: really fascinating. There's no doubt that Will Campbell is healthy

1677
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 4: and Will Campbell is playing like that's not a question

1678
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: In terms of left tackle, I do think left guard

1679
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 4: is a conversation.

1680
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: The one thing I would.

1681
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 4: Say for Ben Brown he's just bigger, Like he's just

1682
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 4: a little bit bigger.

1683
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: I don't think Ben.

1684
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: Brown is really like a maler either. I don't really

1685
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 4: think that's necessarily his game. But he's bigger. He's wider

1686
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 4: than Jared Wilson. He takes up more space than Jared Wilson.

1687
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 4: And when you play Ben Brown next to Campbell and

1688
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 4: Campbell is you know, as we know is a little built,

1689
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 4: a little bit more narrower and a little bit more

1690
01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 4: linear of a.

1691
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: Of a frame.

1692
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 4: It just gives them a little bit more size and

1693
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 4: sort of like mass on that side of the offensive line.

1694
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: I think I could make a.

1695
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 4: Really compelling case for them sticking with Ben Brown and

1696
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 4: Jared Wilson will have his turn. He's probably gonna be

1697
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 4: the starting center of the future for this team.

1698
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: He's earned that.

1699
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 4: He's definitely earned a starting job going into next year.

1700
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 4: But I kind of feel like maybe they're better off

1701
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 4: with Ben Brown right now at left guard.

1702
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you roll with the hot hand going

1703
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 3: to the playoffs. It's nothing wrong with that.

1704
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 4: I also just don't love the idea of like continuing

1705
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 4: to flip back and forth right, like, just just pick

1706
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 4: a line.

1707
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: This is winner, go home.

1708
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 4: So I don't start Jared Wilson in this game and

1709
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 4: then pull them or vite you know what I mean, Like,

1710
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 4: you just gotta pick a lane and stay in that lane.

1711
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 4: And I think right now, Ben Brown Brad Berry on

1712
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 4: when who has been really rock solid in the middle

1713
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 4: for the most part. Ben Brown was a little shaky

1714
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 4: against the Jets for some reason. I don't know what

1715
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 4: was going on with him in the beginning of that Jets,

1716
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 4: but it was a little weird for him there. All right,

1717
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 4: Danny's back, Let's get to Danny. Danny's in Daytona. What's up, Danny?

1718
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 10: Hey, can you guys hear me?

1719
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? We got you now, all right?

1720
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 10: I appreciate you. Sorry, brother, Yeah, And I tried to

1721
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 10: call him last few weeks. I've been having a question

1722
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 10: for you and Alex. So I want to start off

1723
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 10: first with three takes to help. This is off season talk,

1724
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 10: but it will kind of help the Patriots, you know,

1725
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 10: fast track building on the sys of this current season.

1726
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 10: So the first player, I don't know if you've heard

1727
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 10: of this guy, Romel Romeo height. He's a linebacker, yeah,

1728
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 10: he said he's he's an older guy. He's coming into

1729
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 10: I think he's like age twenty five, so he's a

1730
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 10: little older, but he has experience. They said he'd be

1731
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 10: not a huge project, but with the right coaching staff,

1732
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 10: they'll get him up the speeds to play fast. He's

1733
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 10: you know, very physical, he has trace. He just needs

1734
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 10: a good position coach, which I believe we have in

1735
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 10: the building to work with him and Mike Rabel and

1736
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 10: you know, the heat. They said that they can see

1737
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 10: him mock drafts, see him project to be a really

1738
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 10: good linebacker. The other one who the most mocked people

1739
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 10: think that the Patriots will take is Max. He's a

1740
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 10: Nigerian offensive tackle Arizona State. He's really good, very tall,

1741
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 10: very big, very athletic. They said he needs to work

1742
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 10: a little bit more on his pass blocking, but he's

1743
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 10: very dominant run blocker. And then the other player that

1744
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 10: they have is another eighteen point five stacked artist from Oregon.

1745
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 10: I don't know if you heard him. I got his

1746
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 10: name here. Mock drafts have him going coming out of

1747
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 10: His name is Matteo. Yeah, yeah, I can't. Yeah, he's

1748
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 10: really I want to see your guys take on that.

1749
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 10: And then the last thing, what do you guys think

1750
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 10: about I hear this talk of Thomas Brown leaving the

1751
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 10: Patriots to possibly interview with the Arizona Cardinals, and who

1752
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:12,919
Speaker 10: do you think they should replace if Thomas Brown does departure?

1753
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 10: And do you also think that Arizona is using Thomas

1754
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 10: Brown as a Rooney rule checkoff or do you think

1755
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 10: he will actually be.

1756
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: Hired Thanks to the call, Danny appreciate it. A lot

1757
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 4: of good stuff there. I'm pretty familiar with the Oregon

1758
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 4: player just from watching the playoffs.

1759
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's DJ's brother. He's been really good for them. Obviously,

1760
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: Oregon has a ton of success with players in front.

1761
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot about him. Yeah, Romelo Height, you're.

1762
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: Big on this.

1763
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: When everybody's watching the star player, Yeah, it's the guy

1764
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: on the other side.

1765
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: The team's like, wait, who's this guy? So David Bailey, who.

1766
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: Is objectively Texas tech right, a perfect Patriots fit, and

1767
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: we were high on earlier this season and the Patriots

1768
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: like three and two.

1769
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not getting David Bailey. He's gonna be top

1770
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: ten pick.

1771
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: Ramelo Heights on the other side and kind of similar

1772
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: player that kind of same guys on both sides. He

1773
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: is also late first, early second. Him and Ui Young

1774
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: the same range. Both good names to know.

1775
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: I think Romel Height little more speed player, we underlay

1776
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 3: a little more power player.

1777
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: But I mean they both make sense. As for the

1778
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: tackle from Arizona State, I know a little about him.

1779
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: I just know he's super raw. So you're talking about

1780
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: a project player probably day three. He has a right tackle,

1781
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: which they need, but I'm yeah, beyond that, I they

1782
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: they could probably use a project tackle, but I don't

1783
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: know that it specifically has to be him.

1784
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 3: He's you know, I usually have the big guys.

1785
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 1: He's huge, but like I don't nothing stands out outside

1786
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: of his size.

1787
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 4: So uh, I do think they're in the tackle market. Obviously,

1788
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 4: they're in the past rushing market.

1789
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: We know that.

1790
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 2: I do think they're in the tackle market.

1791
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 4: You know, Morgan Moses at thirty four, he's been fantastic

1792
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 4: and I would definitely bring him back.

1793
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: Uh, and I get the next guy in the build.

1794
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, get the next guy in the building. Maybe he

1795
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 4: mentors him a little bit for the Patriots.

1796
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

1797
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 4: The one guy that I know, you know, off the

1798
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 4: top of my head in terms of that, the Samoan

1799
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 4: kid from Miami.

1800
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: Uh Milaga. Yeah, so he's be like a top they're not.

1801
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: Kidding him, Okay, so he's gonna go too high.

1802
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 3: He's Yeah, he's might be the first tackle.

1803
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: So I think that that guy is he's awesome, really

1804
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 4: freaking good. Now, some people kind of view him as

1805
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 4: like would be a pretty good right tackle, but might

1806
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 4: be like an all pro guard, you know, it's that

1807
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: sort of thing again.

1808
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 3: Uh, but I would they're all better guards and town.

1809
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a is a stud.

1810
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: So if you there's to go back to the other thing,

1811
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: like who's the guy on the other side. Right, Utah

1812
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: has two tackles who both can probably play. I'm trying

1813
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: to remember which is which. I keep getting them mixed up.

1814
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: No, their right tackles, the guy at the top, never

1815
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: mind both their tackles is a good one in the

1816
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 3: first round.

1817
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know if you're using another first

1818
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 4: round pick on a tackle I'm not against probably, you

1819
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 4: know me, I'm always with the offensive line, so I

1820
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 4: don't think that that's where they start.

1821
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: There could be one scenario. I've talked to you a

1822
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: little bit about this guy, Jennings Dunker from Iowa.

1823
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, is a plays right tackle. He's probably with the mullet. Mullet.

1824
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: He is one of you talk about a guy that

1825
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: plays nasty and mean and physical and it's just kind

1826
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: of an a hole on the field.

1827
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.

1828
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: They need a little bit of that.

1829
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 3: So he's probably a guard lawn a guard long term.

1830
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: But does he play left guard?

1831
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: Well, so he plays tackle, so we don't know.

1832
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: But like he's somebody that guy, so the left guard,

1833
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: the pipeline's right there for him to go to left guard.

1834
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: He's more so a guy that might he he has

1835
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: the resume to me and this is early the subject

1836
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: to change, Like maybe you'd give a look at tackle

1837
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: before you movement. Ultimately movements, right, I think like Kane Wallace, right.

1838
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like he I've seen a little

1839
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 4: bit of him because he can't like everybody talks about

1840
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:45,839
Speaker 4: the mullet guy so like it's.

1841
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 2: Like it's all over.

1842
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 3: It's always just a clips of him beated a crap

1843
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: out of people.

1844
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 4: The way he finishes blocks and the nastiness that he

1845
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 4: plays with I think is exactly they need a little

1846
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: infusion in that on the offensive line.

1847
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 6: There.

1848
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 4: They're offensive line right now as a tad bit fine

1849
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 4: for my liking, as much as the group has improved significantly,

1850
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 4: and I actually have a piece coming about that. But

1851
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 4: they they could use a mall er, they could use

1852
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: a nail bier.

1853
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: So you're probably you're probably taken him in the first round. Dunker,

1854
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to take guard in

1855
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: the first round. I'll give you more more names while

1856
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: we're on it. For people watching college football playoff Manual

1857
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: pregnant known, I don't know exactly what you pronounced.

1858
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 3: He's Organ's left guard. He's a whole bunch of mean

1859
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: He's a whole bunch of mean and nash.

1860
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be a second round pick. You have

1861
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: to trade up in the second round to get him.

1862
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: But plug and play starting left guard.

1863
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 4: I love the Patriots offensive line. I've had a lot

1864
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 4: of fun covering that group, and they're a lot of

1865
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 4: fun and super nice guys. Will Campbell's got a little

1866
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 4: bit of a mean streak, Yeah, he definitely has that.

1867
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 4: But they could use an a hole in that room.

1868
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 4: They could use a logan makings. Like I'm not talking

1869
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 4: about the talent, obviously, any team could use a logan

1870
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 4: makings in terms of the talent, I'm talking about the

1871
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 4: mentality right right, and that sort of thing. They could

1872
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 4: use someone like that, you know, Bradburry, Moses on Wenu.

1873
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 4: Super nice guys, good football players really, you know, impressive

1874
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 4: please with their seasons all that, But they could use

1875
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 4: a guy that could, you know, bite some kneecaps, you know,

1876
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens there. Speaking of biting kneecaps,

1877
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: color I also mentioned some of the coaching changes around

1878
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 4: the league. I wanted to talk about that a little

1879
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 4: bit here before we get back to the calls and stuff.

1880
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 2: A couple of things on that.

1881
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 4: The John Harbaugh situation I find fascinating. Yes, they the

1882
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 4: reporting as of right now, there's six openings, right if

1883
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, seven six or seven.

1884
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 3: Seven including Nice, seven including the Ravens. Yeah, because it

1885
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: was reported last night. So there's seven teams are talking

1886
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 3: to Horrball and there's seven openings.

1887
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 4: So there's six openings because he's not going to go

1888
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 4: back to Baltimore. There's six openings, and like there's some

1889
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 4: reporting at at seven, there's some reporting that there's nine teams,

1890
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 4: Like there's more teams that have called about John Harbaugh

1891
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: than have coaching openings. So John Harbaugh, as expected as

1892
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 4: everybody would.

1893
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Expect, is good.

1894
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: His time ran out in Baltimore, and maybe the message

1895
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: got sound real quick. According to Josina Anderson, this is

1896
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: within the last hour. One of those teams is the Dolphins.

1897
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so they he's going to have a huge market.

1898
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: He's a great coach. Uh So naturally he's going to

1899
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: have a huge market.

1900
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 3: I feel like he's going to end up in the

1901
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 3: AFC East.

1902
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned Miami. Yeah, that's a possibility.

1903
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: I think the Giants are for some reason, and they

1904
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 4: have some roster talent and Elik Neighbors will be back,

1905
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: and I get that. I'm just maybe it's just me

1906
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 4: not being totally sold on Jackson Dart. It seems like

1907
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 4: the Giants are the bell of the ball. And maybe

1908
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 4: it's New York and the Giants, you know, organization is

1909
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 4: a good organization, and they do have, you know, some talent,

1910
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 4: especially on defense, I.

1911
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Think, and maybe some of it is that Jackson Dart

1912
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: isn't the kind of guy you need to be.

1913
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: Completely sold on.

1914
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: You have the flexibility either roll with him or if

1915
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: you don't like it, like you're not like for instance,

1916
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. And I'm surprised Tennessee is not more desired

1917
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: because I thought cam Ward, with what he had actually

1918
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: played pretty well this year, thought he had Drake rookie

1919
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: Drake mayish season. But like you go to Tennessee, cam

1920
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Ward's a quarterback. That's a non negotiable. I wonder if

1921
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: the Giants are open to hearing more ideas at quarterback.

1922
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: They should be, and that might make it more of

1923
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: an ideal landing spot for some coaches who want to

1924
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: go else Now. It's not a good year to need

1925
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback, right but unless you're getting Fromana Mendoza. But

1926
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe some coaches look at it and say, well,

1927
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: I want this veteran, I want this draft pick, and

1928
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't They don't have to be tied

1929
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: to Jackson Dark.

1930
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 4: The Giants are always in, you know, in some ways

1931
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 4: understandably or are viewed as a very stable, very good ownership. Obviously,

1932
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: it's New York and they have a lot of to

1933
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 4: bankroll off of the market that they're in, so they

1934
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,520
Speaker 4: they they're always looked at as a very good organization.

1935
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: The Titans, I agree with you.

1936
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 4: I actually think if I was Tennessee, I would be

1937
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 4: full court pressing Mike McCarthy. I think that that would

1938
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 4: be a great hire for them. It's an offensive coach

1939
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 4: who I don't think is totally done, Like I don't

1940
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 4: think his system was totally outdated in Dallas, and he's

1941
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 4: an offensive coach that can help cam Ward. But he's

1942
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 4: also got a pedigree and he's got a background. I

1943
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 4: think the hardest thing that we're seeing, and I wanted

1944
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about what's going on in

1945
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 4: Washington and Detroit as well with their coordinators, is you know,

1946
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh. But based off all the reporting, John Harbaugh

1947
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,520
Speaker 4: is a CEO head coach. He was a special teams coordinator.

1948
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't major in offensive defense, so his coordinator hires

1949
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 4: are everything, especially offensive coordinator. So there was some you know,

1950
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: rub or some tension with Todd Monkin, their offensive coordinator,

1951
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 4: who last year probably should have coached Lamar Jackson to

1952
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 4: an MVP and is I think a very good offensive coordinator, but.

1953
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Ship wanted ahead.

1954
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 4: John Harbad sounds like might have landed on the sword

1955
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 4: for Todd Mankin and said, you're not firing Todd Monkin.

1956
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 4: So whatever the case may be, when you look at

1957
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 4: these coaching hires this cycle, there's not a ton of

1958
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 4: great options. Now John Harbaugh is available. But I want to,

1959
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 4: you know, talking about the CEO thing, which we've talked

1960
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 4: about a million times, the Patriots have a honeymoon type

1961
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 4: of thing where Josh McDaniels is an awesome offensive coordinator

1962
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 4: probably is never going to get another shot as a

1963
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 4: head coach, and Mike Vrabel is an awesome CEO head

1964
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 4: coach who has a coordinator that has you know, job

1965
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 4: security and is going to stay here.

1966
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 3: Even if Josh doesley. I mean it's gonna be. It's

1967
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 3: not gonna be for a few years.

1968
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: And look, if Drake Nate can't handle coordinator change five, right,

1969
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: you know he should be able to.

1970
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 4: But the point I'm getting at is we're seeing now

1971
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 4: in Detroit they fired John Morton, their offensive coordinator. Couldn't

1972
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 4: have seen that coming, and they fire Cliff Kingsbury or

1973
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 4: parted ways with Cliff Kingsbury and Washington. That is Dan Campbell,

1974
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 4: who was calling plays for Detroit at the end of

1975
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 4: last season, but really as a CEO, you know, leader

1976
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 4: of men type head coach, and Dan Quinn who's a

1977
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 4: defensive head coach. This whole thing is just kind of

1978
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 4: fascinating to me about where this coaching cycle moves because

1979
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 4: I think it's hard if you have to hit on

1980
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 4: your coordinator hires. If you do hit on your coordinator hires,

1981
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 4: you have to hit on another round of coordinator hires.

1982
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 4: So exactly what happened in Detroit is a situation that

1983
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 4: everybody is trying to avoid.

1984
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 2: Where they hit, they had.

1985
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 4: Great success, they made an NFC championship game, Ben Johnson

1986
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 4: and Aaron Glenn get hired away. I don't think Aaron

1987
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,839
Speaker 4: Glenn ended up being a huge loss. But Ben Johnson,

1988
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 4: the defense wasn't great. It wasn't great with Aaron Glenn either,

1989
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 4: but Ben Johnson was a massive, massive loss for that team,

1990
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 4: and now they're kind of back at square one.

1991
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: I just met that more the sense that I don't

1992
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: think Glenn's results in the Jets are indicative of what

1993
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: happened in it.

1994
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: He's not a zero ben.

1995
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson could have blown up in chicagoan we'd still

1996
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: be talking about what big a loss he does for

1997
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: the for the Lions. So no, they have a great

1998
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: It's it's part of the reason the Patriots have a

1999
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: great setup, and that's why it's so important. And it's

2000
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 1: something Bill Belichick did for years and years and years,

2001
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: and ultimately when they kind of failed to do it

2002
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: was a big part of things falling apart at the end.

2003
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: You have to have the pipeline. It's not just getting

2004
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: the OC you know, job rights the quarterbacks coach and

2005
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach and the offensive line coach, and

2006
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting not one, but multiple of those guys

2007
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: ready to step into the OC job when the time comes,

2008
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: and then replacing them, and you know, you have to

2009
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: be able to do that and the pipeline dried up

2010
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: in Detroit and dried up in other places.

2011
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: They didn't really have a succession plan in truth exactly.

2012
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: And that's the problem. Like if you go back, I

2013
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: love doing this thing. If you go back and people

2014
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: talk about the one Patriots coaches have the O one,

2015
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: O four, and it's it's it's it's Belichick, it's Charlie Weiss,

2016
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 1: it's Romeo Cornell, like dream Team. Well, Josh McDaniels is

2017
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: an assistant on that staff and Eric Eric Manjini's it like,

2018
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: and then all the guys from the next era were

2019
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,560
Speaker 1: assistants on that staff. And then when those guys with

2020
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: the coordinators, you go, look, it's like Matt Patrician, Brian

2021
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Flores and like, those guys are the assistants on the

2022
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: next one. And they always had another guy ready to

2023
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: step up. And because you know when that guy leaves,

2024
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: when Ben Jonson leaves, he's gonna take people with them.

2025
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: You can't take everybody, so you got to make sure

2026
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: that you have multiple people ready to be that next guy.

2027
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 3: And I think that's so important.

2028
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: And you know, now you have these jobs like run

2029
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Game Pass Corps, run game Coordinator, Pass game coordinator. What

2030
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: a great way to get your next coordinator ready and

2031
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: teams capitalizing on that. So again with McDaniels, we think

2032
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: he's probably a lot to stay here. But having a

2033
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: guy like Thomas Brown, having a guy like Ashton Grant

2034
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: in the roles they're in young guys who are kind

2035
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 1: of right there with McDaniels doing it that if he

2036
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: did leave Todd Downing, so you have the next guy

2037
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: up on defense, right, Zach Korr, being right there and

2038
01:33:59,479 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: ready to go.

2039
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 3: So I think that's it's not so much. I know,

2040
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 3: people you.

2041
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 1: Have to hire offensive coaches. Do you think you coaches

2042
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: don't mean anything? I know you don't, but people do.

2043
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much that if you plan

2044
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 1: to never hire another good coach, then yeah, you should

2045
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: probably hire an offensive coach.

2046
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 2: So Dan Campbell.

2047
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: But but I think the real what really sets organizations

2048
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: apart coaching wise, is how deep is your pipeline, How

2049
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: good are you at hiring the positional coaches, the assistant

2050
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: positional coaches right keeping that room stocked so you can

2051
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: just churn through and go to the next guy.

2052
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 3: That's a great organization apart.

2053
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 4: Sure, And I think what was so weird about the

2054
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 4: Lions is that they let Tanner Egstrant just walk out

2055
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 4: the door right exactly, and like, I don't I know,

2056
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 4: the Jets offense was a train wreck, but it wasn't

2057
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 4: who work, It wasn't poorly coordinated. They just had no talent, right,

2058
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 4: every time I watched the Jets tape on offense, it

2059
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,879
Speaker 4: just was talentless. But I wasn't like this is sloppy,

2060
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 4: this is messy, Like it wasn't bad. It just there's

2061
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 4: just no talent on the field. So I would love

2062
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 4: to know, you know, if I was a Lions reporter,

2063
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 4: I would love to ask Dan Campbell, like why didn't

2064
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 4: you block Aaron Glenn from taking Tanner Egstrand with you?

2065
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 4: Because it seems like that is that was really their

2066
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 4: succession plan. Engstrand decides to go to the Jets with

2067
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,919
Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn and you weren't.

2068
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 3: Even have to block him from going.

2069
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Just give him the promotion, right, and then Morton is

2070
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: more of like an offensive line guy, not necessarily a

2071
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: coordinator like and offensive line guy. He's a guy that

2072
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: hadn't been there. Yeah, so all the success that you had,

2073
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great?

2074
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 3: Okay?

2075
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's not in the building, but somebody who watched

2076
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson do everything he did that could maybe tap

2077
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: into that there's value in that they go outside of that.

2078
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: I guess he'd been there. Morton was there for a year,

2079
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: I think because like a senior assistant, but no like

2080
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: having a guy because Engstrand had been there I think

2081
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: for a while. Right he came up with Ben Johnson. Yeah, so, uh,

2082
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: we're going to he was there before Benjons Yeah, so

2083
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Moreen was in twenty twenty two.

2084
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 2: He was there.

2085
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 4: He's a wide receivers coach in San Francisco. But I

2086
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 4: remember when he got to that like coordinator senior assistant level,

2087
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 4: he was working a lot with like protections and run

2088
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 4: blocking and things like that.

2089
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 1: So Engstrom was the pass game coordinator under Ben Johnson. Like,

2090
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 1: that's such a natural you want natural progression. The guy

2091
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: in the building, who's the guy you lost, left hand man,

2092
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: right hand man, whatever you want to put it makes

2093
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: so much more sense than a guy who hasn't been here,

2094
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: who didn't see the success we had. Look, if your

2095
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 1: team sucks, you probably want to go outside.

2096
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 3: That's not saying.

2097
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: Every team should be promoting within forever. But if you're

2098
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: a good team, you're gonna lose guys not because you're

2099
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: firing them because they're doing a bad job, but because

2100
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: they're getting hired elsewhere. And when they do that, you want,

2101
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: I think you'd want somebody who was in the building

2102
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: to replace them.

2103
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 3: And people will hear that and say, well, don't you

2104
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 3: want outside voices?

2105
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 1: You can still bring in the senior assistant, the senior advisor, whatever,

2106
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: or the outside voices come from, you know, to the

2107
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: Patriots case, a guy like Riley Larkin who was at

2108
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State was in a different place and comes in

2109
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: on the ground floor and brings that outside knowledge and

2110
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: learns within your system with the basis of that outside knowledge.

2111
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 4: The biggest thing I would say, you know from the

2112
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,480
Speaker 4: Patriots of the pass that Belichick.

2113
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it.

2114
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 4: McDaniels talked about it when they hired Rabel, about picking

2115
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 4: him up at the airport. As like the Aaron Boy

2116
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 4: right of the coaching staff in like two thousand and one,

2117
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 4: that the Aaron Boys in two thousand and one were

2118
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:37,799
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels, Brian Dable, Matt Patricia, like those guys started

2119
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 4: in like the closet in your film room and you know,

2120
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 4: cutting up things for Belichick and things like that.

2121
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 3: So in four, I'll just give it you real quick.

2122
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 1: And four you had, first of all, in the front

2123
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: office in supporting roles. You had Nick Casario, Thomas de

2124
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: Mittrof and a couple other guys who obviously went on

2125
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: to him success. Josh McDaniels is the quarterbacks coach. I

2126
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: think those first or second year in that role. He

2127
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: started as a defensive assistant and then became yeah, first

2128
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: year as the quarterbacks coach. Know. Four, Brian dave All

2129
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 1: as the wide receivers coach, Matt Patricia was an offensive

2130
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: coaching assistant. You had Eric Manngini on the defensive coaching

2131
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: staff as a general assistant.

2132
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2133
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 4: So that that that's obviously the blueprint. And you know

2134
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 4: it's easy to sit here and say, oh, that's the

2135
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 4: blueprint as the sixth time Super Bowl champion winning coach, right.

2136
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 3: Like you know, but that's like there's a reason that worked.

2137
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the other thing I wanted to mention and

2138
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 4: then we'll take these last.

2139
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Calls to keep going. Sorry, and O seven McDaniels is

2140
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: the OC. You know, Bill O'Brien on the offensive staff

2141
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: as an assistant. You have Matt Patricia Josh Boyer on

2142
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: the defensive staff.

2143
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 3: Like it just it keeps churning.

2144
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 4: Through the other thing I wanted to mention was what

2145
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 4: happened in Cleveland. So Kevin Stefanski gets fired in Cleveland.

2146
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanskie is a good coach. It was probably time, like, yeah,

2147
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 4: at some point, you got to win, right like that,

2148
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,440
Speaker 4: that's what the league is about.

2149
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: Right year and say he's a good coach. He's a

2150
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 2: good coach at some point.

2151
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 4: And I know he got that team to the playoffs

2152
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 4: when you know, with Joe Flacco and stuff like that,

2153
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 4: but it didn't win.

2154
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 2: They weren't winning.

2155
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 4: It was the whole brown thing. Uh, So Stefanski's out. Stefanski,

2156
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 4: I think, is going to get recycled right back in.

2157
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 4: If I had to guess, Uh, there's.

2158
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 3: Just going to get whoever the runner up for Harbay is.

2159
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 4: There's just too many openings and he's too solid of

2160
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,919
Speaker 4: a higher He's not. It's not an innovative or exciting

2161
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 4: hire per se, but it's just a solid higher. I

2162
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 4: doubt that he'll have to take the a gap year.

2163
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 4: Maybe he does, uh, you know, because I had a

2164
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 4: lot of people asking, well, what who could Stefanski do

2165
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 4: what Rabel did in Cleveland with the Patriots.

2166
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:41,799
Speaker 2: I I don't.

2167
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's going to have to happen

2168
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 4: for Stefanski. The other thing that I would say about

2169
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 4: this that I think is more prevalent is all of

2170
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 4: Stefanski's assistant coaches, right because Rabel was just in Cleveland

2171
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 4: last year with all these guys. He brought Ashton Grant

2172
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 4: already with him from the Cleveland staff to New England

2173
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 4: this year. So the two names that I would look at,

2174
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 4: and this kind of ties back to what the caller

2175
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 4: mentioned that kind of brought this all up, is that

2176
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 4: Thomas Brown is interviewing in Arizona for the head coaching position.

2177
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 4: I don't think Thomas Brown's going to be a head

2178
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 4: coach in the league. I do think Thomas Brown might

2179
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 4: be a coordinator. Yeah, yet I don't think the city.

2180
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 4: I do think there's a chance that Thomas Brown is

2181
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator or a play caller someplace else next year.

2182
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 2: So when I look at this whole.

2183
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 4: Thing, with what happened in Cleveland, there's probably a million

2184
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 4: low level assistants that we don't really know a ton

2185
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 4: about that could be coming to New England. But the

2186
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 4: two big fishes, Jim Schwartz on the defensive side of

2187
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,640
Speaker 4: the ball and Tommy Reeves on the offensive side of

2188
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 4: the ball. So is there a chance that if Thomas

2189
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 4: Brown moves on and becomes a play caller someplace else

2190
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 4: or a coordinator or whatever. It's really simple to just say,

2191
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, Thomas Brown out Tommy Reeson, Like that's a

2192
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 4: pretty tight ends pass game coordinator title. Uh, Tommy Reese

2193
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 4: was the tight ends coach in Cleveland, I believe.

2194
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: My end's coach and pass game specialists not cordating the

2195
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: same exact deal. Well, and the other thing with Tommy

2196
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: rees too that you could do is like, does Ashton

2197
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 1: Grant get bumped up for a coordinator job just having

2198
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: been so adjacent to Drake May.

2199
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Tommy Reese becomes quarterbacks coach.

2200
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like Ashton Grant a lot. I think he's

2201
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 2: a little young.

2202
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I know how this works when you're

2203
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 3: ready for though, Yeah, when you're adjacent to somebody who's great, like.

2204
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 4: That's going to be Thomas Brown. Thomas Brown is going

2205
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:34,679
Speaker 4: to get the credit for being adjacent.

2206
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, does somebody offer Ashton Grant the passing game coordinator thing?

2207
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 3: It's possible or maybe that's when he comes here.

2208
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: But like I look at it with Stefanski, right, because

2209
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Ashton Grant was in Cleveland with Stefanski.

2210
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stefanski doesn't.

2211
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: Call the plays wherever he goes, So you can have

2212
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: kind of a younger Roc you could.

2213
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 4: I think you ever hire Stefanski though, is going to

2214
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 4: want him to try to branch out a.

2215
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: Little bit in terms of that.

2216
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 4: But I I I'm not trying to like rail or

2217
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 4: pooh pooh Ashton. He's just like, I think he's got

2218
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 4: a couple more years to learn the tricks of the trade.

2219
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 3: I just wonder if adjacent to Drake may speeds him

2220
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 3: up a little bit.

2221
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 4: Maybe with Thomas Brown, I think that that's possible. I

2222
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 4: think Tommy Reese is a prime candidate on the defensive

2223
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 4: side of the ball. Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz was on

2224
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 4: vrabel staff in Tennessee for a minute. He was in

2225
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 4: Cleveland with him last year. There's an affinity there, There's

2226
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 4: a relationship there. I just want to be clear, like

2227
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they should fire Zach Korr.

2228
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 3: Okay, but and they still have Terrell Williams though.

2229
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 4: Technically Terrell Williams. I would imagine that Terrell Williams is

2230
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,799
Speaker 4: probably not going to be coaching again in the NFL

2231
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 4: given his health situation. That's just a hunch. I don't

2232
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 4: know any information. I'm just saying I imagine that that

2233
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 4: might be the case.

2234
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 3: Well, they could they keep him around as like an

2235
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 3: advisor too or something like.

2236
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh.

2237
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm not saying like just throw him to the curve.

2238
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I don't think he's going to be

2239
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:58,480
Speaker 4: coaching in a full capacity, okay in the NFL. Yeah,

2240
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 4: if that's the case, Like, does Jim Schwartz come in

2241
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 4: as the same title that he was in Tennessee, which

2242
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 4: was senior defensive assistant and just help a young coordinator

2243
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 4: in Zach Korr with some of the details of the

2244
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 4: scheme and the game planning and all that kind of stuff.

2245
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 4: I think that that would really help a lot. You know,

2246
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 4: Terrell Williams has been around a little bit, but totally

2247
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 4: totally fair, Like nobody should expect anything with the guy

2248
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,640
Speaker 4: that's trying to fight cancer. You know, to come in

2249
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 4: here and help coach a football team. So with Jim Schwartz,

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01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 4: I think that there has that element to it that

2251
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 4: he could bring to the table, you know, just looking

2252
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 4: at it objectively, like could he come in and help

2253
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 4: them with game plans a little bit so they don't

2254
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 4: get scripted early in games is easily, you know, third

2255
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 4: down game script openings, drives, things like that. Those are

2256
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 4: the types of things that like an experienced coordinator like

2257
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 4: Schwartz would be able to do. I don't see Rabel

2258
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 4: taking the play calling away from Core because I think

2259
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 4: one of the big things that Rabel, going all the

2260
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 4: way back to January when I talked to him at

2261
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl, Rabel said that he's into developing people,

2262
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:11,959
Speaker 4: Like he's really big on developing coaches, developing players, developing

2263
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 4: people that are within his web.

2264
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 2: And I think.

2265
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 4: Zach Korr is like a project for him, Like he

2266
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 4: wants to develop Zach Korr as a coach. So I

2267
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 4: don't think he's gonna like one and done Zach Korr

2268
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 4: and then just replace him with Jim Schwartz. But he

2269
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 4: might add Jim Schwartz to the staff as like a

2270
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 4: brain power.

2271
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 3: How about Shane Bowen.

2272
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 4: That's possible too. Shane Bowen is really really tight with Corr.

2273
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 4: So Shane Bowen is the Giants defensive coordinator who obviously

2274
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 4: well now was I seeah in theory.

2275
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 3: They fired him?

2276
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they fired him right, but Patriots right, So

2277
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: he's uh, he's out in the Giants.

2278
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 2: So that's another one. And that's one.

2279
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: He's with the whole time in Tennessee and he was

2280
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: there his DC for the last couple of years.

2281
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what Zach Korr's relationship is with

2282
01:44:59,120 --> 01:44:59,839
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz.

2283
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 4: I do know for a fact that Zach Korr looks

2284
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 4: at Shane Bowen, is like a mentor for him in

2285
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 4: the coaching world, and is very very tight with Shane Bowen.

2286
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 2: So maybe that dynamic would work a little bit better.

2287
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, but either way, it does create and

2288
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 4: I know that your station will jump all over this.

2289
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,759
Speaker 4: It does create a like you know, Rabel has somebody

2290
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 4: over the shoulder kind of there.

2291
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 3: And ready to take it over.

2292
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we had this with Thomas Brown and Josh McDaniels,

2293
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 4: which was crazy, of course, but we had it. And

2294
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 4: if Shane Bowen gets hired as a former Rabel DC

2295
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 4: or Jim Schwartz gets hired as a very very widely

2296
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 4: respected defensive coordinator. If Zach Korr has a rough start,

2297
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 4: that's we're going to be doing it on the other

2298
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 4: side of the ball.

2299
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 2: So that's one thing to think about. But I do

2300
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 2: think that they could use the.

2301
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 4: Talent or the brain power, you know, of adding a

2302
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 4: guy with a real coordinator experience to help out a young.

2303
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Guy like Zach warn Yeah, is there anything I think

2304
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 1: that's it? On the coaches? We only have five minutes.

2305
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 3: It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the

2306
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:01,879
Speaker 3: Bills this weekend.

2307
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 1: I had this thought last night, like Harbaugh to the

2308
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:10,839
Speaker 1: Bills makes I would not yep sign yet. If I'm Harbaugh,

2309
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: I would wait and see what happens with Buffalo, So

2310
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: I would assume are there any playoff teams that are

2311
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: I guess I feel like Tomlin's going to be safe

2312
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,640
Speaker 1: now that they made it, But are there any other

2313
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: playoff teams that you think like the coach needs a

2314
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: win to keep his job.

2315
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 3: Is Philly still there?

2316
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 1: We've talked about Philly being there and think so unless

2317
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 1: the floor there, unless that's like an absolute train wreck

2318
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we don't know about, which it

2319
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: might be.

2320
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 2: You know what about Tomlin? Like is Tomlin Tomlin?

2321
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 3: Maybe but he's not well. Actually, him to the Steelers

2322
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 3: would be awesome.

2323
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 2: Could you imagine that I'm switching. That's not going to happen,

2324
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 2: But I I the floor.

2325
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 1: There were some rumblings when they were struggling in the

2326
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: middle of the season at his job. I whether it's

2327
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: Green Bay or Buffalo, I wait if from Harball because

2328
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: those are much better jobs than anything that's open right now.

2329
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 4: I would say Pittsburgh is still tenuous at best. Like

2330
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 4: day one the Division on a miss.

2331
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 1: Field goal that was you know, it was a forty

2332
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: two yarder that the kid missed.

2333
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 2: You know, like that was not.

2334
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,679
Speaker 3: But we know Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches.

2335
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna make their first ever coach firing

2336
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 1: after for a team that made the playoffs.

2337
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 2: That they made the playoffs, but let's face it.

2338
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 3: They made it. But they we know how they look

2339
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: at what's a better opening, uh, Baltimore, Buffalo, Buffalo?

2340
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: I think Baltimore. The Lamar situation is just a little

2341
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: bit dicey.

2342
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,879
Speaker 3: What's the better opening Baltimore green.

2343
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 2: Bay, Green Bay. I think they have a better rosters.

2344
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 3: I'd wait. If I was, I'd wait, it's close.

2345
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:39,959
Speaker 2: It's close with all those three teams.

2346
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 4: I think I would rather invest in Josh Allen than

2347
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 4: invest in Lamar, just because Lamar has been hurt and

2348
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 4: whatever is going on with Lamar behind the scenes in Baltimore,

2349
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 4: I think that there's a little bit of weirdness going

2350
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:53,759
Speaker 4: on there.

2351
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I get no, I agree with you, but I'm like,

2352
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: not that Harbaugh can go back to Baltimore.

2353
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out, like those are good.

2354
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: Baltimore considered the number one opening right now, and those

2355
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: are both better.

2356
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 4: If Buffalo loses on Sunday to Jacksonville, there's no doubt

2357
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 4: that that will be on the hot seat. And I'm

2358
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 4: sorry we might not get to the calls, but this

2359
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 4: is important for the AFCs. Sean McDermott has been taking

2360
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 4: some not so subtle shots at Brandon Bean, their general manager.

2361
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 3: Over the last call was not done a good job,

2362
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 3: by the way.

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Speaker 4: No, So the first shot that he took was about

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Speaker 4: Jacoby Myers, who was traded at the trade deadline to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: I assume that Buffalo was in it and didn't want

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Speaker 4: to outbid Jacksonville for Jacobe Myers.

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Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers has been.

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Speaker 4: Great in Jacksonville and might be a reason why the

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars beat the Bills on Sunday in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think Buffalo, but it's it's close.

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Speaker 4: So he took a little shot at the being for that,

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01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 4: and then Max Harriston their their rookie corner has been

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01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,720
Speaker 4: hurt all year, like you know, soft tissue things and

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01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 4: things like this one and a half, he's hurt again

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Speaker 4: and probably isn't going to play in the playoff game,

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01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 4: and so he took another shot at him about the

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Speaker 4: depth at corn. Yeah, and that tells me that there's

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Speaker 4: some sort of behind the scenes tension between those two

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Speaker 4: guys who have been together forever since Carolina and all

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But my guess is is that

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01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 4: that if they lose and they go one undone in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs on Sunday, like that could definitely be a

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01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 4: power struggle, you know who wins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas g should probably both be out.

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01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they might both be out.

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01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a Green Bay one in there again.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna you know.

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Speaker 3: It, does it feels like they're underperforming.

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01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Micah got hurt, so that's a big

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01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 2: part of it.

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Speaker 3: And how how long has Laflour been there a while,

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Speaker 3: It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 3: How many playoff wins?

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01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 2: Does he have a couple?

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Speaker 4: I mean they went to the NFC Championship game. What

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Speaker 4: was that against San Francisco?

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Speaker 1: That was with Rogers. That was not that recently. He

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Speaker 1: is three and five in the playoffs. He's won one

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Speaker 1: playoff game since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, yeah, it's definitely possible. But like you

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01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 4: know with Aught with the same thing with John Harbaugh,

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01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 4: if Matt Lafore gets fired, he's gonna have a job

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01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 4: in two seconds.

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01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes you just gotta fair enough. It's

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01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: not working.

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Speaker 4: It's not working, all right, we gotta wrap it up.

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01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to some of the callers that we had

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01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 4: to leave. PU will be up in nine minutes, so

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01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 4: we'll get to your phone calls on Patriots Unfiltered. I'll

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01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 4: be on there for the first hour Sunday kickoff on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Huh, we're gonna do. We're gonna do.

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01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 3: We're gonna set something up there.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do a little in studio action on Sunday

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01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 4: morning before Patriots Chargers. On Sunday night, I'll be in

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01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 4: studio with the Sports Hubs, so be sure to listen

2417
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 4: to Sunday Kickoff and then I'll be on there for

2418
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 4: one of the hours of the show as well, so

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01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 4: that would be fun. And then Sunday Night football Patriots

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01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 4: Chargers playoff game. Next week, we'll be back here on

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01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 4: CASH twenty two. I hope that we're talking about the

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01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 4: divisional round playoffs and the Patriot it's playing Jacksonville or

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01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 4: whoever they draw in the divisional round. We'll obviously do

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01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 4: a full autopsy of the game winner lose, So we'll

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01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 4: talk to you guys, then pee us up in a

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Speaker 4: few minutes, righte.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,