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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I've been O'Brien and today I am standing in the

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Speaker 1: middle of an icy lake at Fort Peck in Montana.

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Speaker 1: A good friend Andrew McKeen, who's most recently the editor

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Speaker 1: that I know in our industry, and a good friend

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Speaker 1: of mine. We've traveled the world together and we're here

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Speaker 1: in his hometown of Glasgow to do a little ice fishing.

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Speaker 1: So this whole podcast we were sitting kneeling around an

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Speaker 1: ice hole. In fact, his legs fell asleep during the podcast,

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Speaker 1: kneeling around an ice hole trying to catch a big

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Speaker 1: lake trout. So that was a huge part of it.

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Speaker 1: But the other part we wanted to talk about was recruiting, retention,

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Speaker 1: and reactivation, our three model of getting hunters in our

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Speaker 1: bucket keeping them there. So it was a great conversation,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun here on the lake. We haven't

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Speaker 1: in this beautiful country and talk about hunting. So the

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Speaker 1: first ever ice fishing podcast with Hunting Collective an unsuccessful one,

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Speaker 1: but fun nonetheless, enjoy it. Oh here we're going. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Andrew McKeene, I've been on bran. What's going? That's good?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, my hands are warmed up. Let me take

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Speaker 1: a quick swig of this old Milwaukee light as we

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Speaker 1: get going here. I don't warm you right up. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit frozen. You's got a little slush in it,

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Speaker 1: which it's not a big deal at all for me

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Speaker 1: at this point. We are did you know it's a

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Speaker 1: good way to always started these podcasts? What you describe

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Speaker 1: where we are? We are sitting on our knees in

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Speaker 1: a desolate expanse of frozen lake. We very much are

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Speaker 1: joining that. We're we're off a shaft house point on

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Speaker 1: Fort Peck Reservoir. I got a fishing rod here that's

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Speaker 1: about eighteen inches long in five ft of water. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's only a hundred ft of water, but it

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Speaker 1: might as well be five. Same amount of fish come

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Speaker 1: out of either one. It's a it's a it's amazing country.

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Speaker 1: I here, man, this is the homeland. You live here.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited that you're here. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to be here. I am so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: It like I said, you just moving to Montana and

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Speaker 1: and you know you're always worthy, intrepid outdoor editor who

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Speaker 1: found the found the perfect spot to live. So the

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Speaker 1: rest of us are jealous. Well, now you've been so

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Speaker 1: you haven't been here through all of winter or mosquito season,

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Speaker 1: and there's only about a week and a half in

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Speaker 1: place to live. But yeah, So my hometown is Glasgow,

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Speaker 1: mont Hannah. This is Fort Peck Reservoir, which is the

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Speaker 1: largest body of water in the state of Montana. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you say? It has as much

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Speaker 1: far fewer rockfish and far more ice fish and rednecks.

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Speaker 1: There's we're sitting in the middle of kind of a

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Speaker 1: shanty town of sorts. Not the kind of shanty town

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Like there's a little community here. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a little community people most most, I believe in my

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Speaker 1: and mostly just standing around drinking. You look at a rod,

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Speaker 1: much work have you done? And it seems like right

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Speaker 1: now we're just sitting around. There's a bunch of dudes

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Speaker 1: you notice, I am I'm continuing to jig. You are

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Speaker 1: jigging as we're talking. You are jigging. And uh, if

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Speaker 1: the live commentary on your on your ability to pull

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Speaker 1: this these giant things, and what what kind of fish

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Speaker 1: pulling in. Well. Fort Peck is known for walleye. It's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good walleye fishery. Maybe the second most famous

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Speaker 1: or known fish is northern pike. There's a good small

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Speaker 1: Steven Ronnella has this ice this camera. They dropped down

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Speaker 1: and then you can see the fish we were in.

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Speaker 1: He was describing watching the perch just like swim up

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Speaker 1: like that makes you even more paranoid. Let you know

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Speaker 1: that the fish are noncommittal in the way that they are.

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Speaker 1: So if I just just this this different jig, different

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Speaker 1: The thing of the beauty of ice fishing is you

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Speaker 1: could just make it up. Oh, I know, you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think this is where I think

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Speaker 1: we just it's just about persistence at this juncture, which

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Speaker 1: it often is. It's often is, but it's the feeling

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Speaker 1: that you get, you know, when you're sitting out on

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Speaker 1: the ice. We don't have any fancy stuff here, but

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Speaker 1: you're just we're drinking. I'm drinking and you're drinking Old

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Speaker 1: mill walky light. This is the American pinup series. Can

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Speaker 1: you know? Not sponsored? Not sponsored? But if hey listen,

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Speaker 1: Old Milwaukee, if you're listening to this, any of your

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Speaker 1: marketing executives, are you in your agency? People hit us

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Speaker 1: up here the Hunting Collective. We'd love to be sponsored

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Speaker 1: by Old Milwaukee. Like this ship is delicious and I

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like we would bring our own new

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Speaker 1: pin up series to it. Yes, yeah, but up ice

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Speaker 1: Fisherman here suit. This is the other just dudes in

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Speaker 1: fur Well, I mean your hat. So Ben O'Brien today

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Speaker 1: this Dakota Dan hats and it's like a it's a

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Speaker 1: like it was a family heirloom, and he wore it

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Speaker 1: like in that kind of subtle way like yeah, my

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Speaker 1: great granddad broke this in. Yeah. No, I didn't announce

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Speaker 1: slipped it on and during conversation you must have said them,

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Speaker 1: you certainly got fuzzier in the last twenty minutes. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: part of it was just your Johnny attitude. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: but my attitude change immediately. You wanted me to look

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Speaker 1: only shout outs to the Glasgow Jiffy Lub where we were.

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Speaker 1: That was it was a good good purchase. It's it's

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Speaker 1: proven to be um, it's made in China course and

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we don't need no stinking ice shanty. We

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Speaker 1: saddest podcast ever. Our backs are to the wind, which

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean this country, you know, talk a

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Speaker 1: just bringing like Mike, Mike Waddell's coming out here every

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Speaker 1: feel like when Captain Woodrow f Call was in drove

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Speaker 1: fictional character, but he drove all those cattle from Texas spontanity.

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Speaker 1: He came up when this region he goes, boys, we're here,

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Speaker 1: this is the place it in your place feels much

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Speaker 1: like that, and uh you know that. No, No, people

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Speaker 1: it's such a diverse state. This area just feels a

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Speaker 1: lot different then than many that I've spent time. Well,

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a hard place to live. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've had a tough, long winter. We have h long,

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Speaker 1: in in the country last year looking at infrastructure in

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Speaker 1: the distance between towns and services, and they named Glasgow

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Speaker 1: the loneliest town in America when it comes to accessibility

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Speaker 1: you can do it. You can get to know yourself

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Speaker 1: resist that sometimes. And so one of my um foundational

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Speaker 1: principles about this is our ability to recruit, retain and

426
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: reactive people. May not work the same in Illinois or

427
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: New York or Montana. It's going to be a little

428
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: bit different. But we can sit here as people who

429
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Speaker 1: care about it and study it for fifteen or twenty years.

430
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Speaker 1: In that time, the world isn't standing still waiting for

431
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: our conclusions. Let's just do some stuff. Let's just kind

432
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Speaker 1: of do it. But state agencies are kind of resistant

433
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: to that idea. Yeah, that they have to stay have

434
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Speaker 1: to act on. I mean this it's governmental action campige book.

435
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: Let's just see this works. We have to have a

436
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Speaker 1: study in a basis on which to act. One of

437
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: the reasons I think we need to act is because, um,

438
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, demographics. Wait for no man, our baby boomers

439
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: are leaving the fold. We're not replacing ourselves very well.

440
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: But here's the interesting, I think exciting thing is think

441
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: about that continuum of kids who didn't have the disposal

442
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: time income. People who do, I think are the most

443
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: energetic and and source of greatest potential. And that's the

444
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: you know, the twenty five year old college graduates who's

445
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: really looking for something in their life to give a

446
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: meaning and something to do, something to join, um, like

447
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: the local food movement has probably been the best thing

448
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: that's happened to this. And really the whole idea of

449
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: the outdoors is being an authentic experience. Nobody is gonna

450
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it for you. If you can have a mentor

451
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: somebody to guide you, but ultimately you're kind of on

452
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: your own. You're gonna find out a lot about yourself

453
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: out in the elements. I think that's actually the most

454
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: exciting thing. I look at it almost like a new

455
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: homestead movement. Yeah, that's that's a great way to put

456
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: it too, because you know, it's it's cultivating this willingness

457
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: to you know, charge ahead and fail and start again.

458
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: And it's not you know, I think some of the

459
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: fallacies in our current media space is that there's there's

460
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: this like focus on the success, right. You gotta like,

461
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: you can't have a TV show without a dead animal.

462
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: You can't have um. The more the more dead creators

463
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: you get on your your social media, the more likes

464
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get just by nature of the way that

465
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: it orders. But and that those things are all great,

466
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: and that's that's a depiction of what we do. You're

467
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: not gonna erace you know, those things. But at some

468
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: level of Nelly back old Nelly the dumbass, she's kind

469
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: of a coyote. She's a forager. She's a forager. She's

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: looking for the ice hole to ice hall, looking for Bayer, yeah,

471
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: looking for bay, looking for the occasional fish tail. Our

472
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: neighbors are backing up getting out of town. Why do

473
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I suddenly feel so alone here? But like everybody left us.

474
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: It was a great podcast. Way to walk home? Now?

475
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I no, no, well now go here? Now there you go?

476
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Kind of she's she's skulking. Yeah, whatever, I'll come back. Um. Yeah,

477
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I like these these ice fishing interludes. Hopefully we get

478
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Speaker 1: an interlude where there's a fish on looking over back

479
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: at my hole. My hole looks like it's it's doing good. Um.

480
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think we talked. We like,

481
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: we talked about this, and I've talked about this a lot.

482
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: But it's important to note that we talked about this.

483
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: We you know, we we would be proactive on it

484
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: even if we weren't in the situation we're in. Um no,

485
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: now at least get back now, kid, go over here,

486
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: there you go. Um, we would be talking about it

487
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: even if we were in a healthy situation, I think,

488
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: but we wouldn't be. I don't think we would be

489
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: as active in this. You know, we should be desperate

490
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: in a lot, in a lot of ways to to

491
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Speaker 1: stem the tides. It's interesting though, you kind of hit

492
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Speaker 1: on this. I think we all who are define real

493
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: lives about what we do, understand it through and through

494
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: we don't. There's no shortcuts. You earn what you put

495
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: into it. It's kind of a feedback loop that way.

496
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: I think there's been a tendency we've talked about kind

497
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: of giving kids all these opportunities. You see it in

498
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: youth seasons all these other things too. There's a real

499
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: tendency to say, Okay, we want to open the gate

500
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: for a bunch of new participants, we have to make

501
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: it as easy and as accessible as possible. I actually

502
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: think that's the wrong approach because I think the value

503
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: of this is it is hard. It can't be so

504
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: hard it's intimidating. There has there has to be success,

505
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: but there also has to be a little bit of

506
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: the challenge that boost the reward as the outcome when

507
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: it finally happens. That's why I think introducing things like

508
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: small games the equation right. If you're there's you know

509
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: a lot of folks that listen to this that are

510
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: new hunters and have written in or chatting with me

511
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: about the challenges of being a new hunter, and um,

512
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: there aren't many challenges, but there also are many doors

513
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: that are hanging wide open for you to walk through.

514
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: You just have to You just have to do it,

515
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: and you don't don't, you know, don't get caught up

516
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: in the dogs of hunting that you gotta go out

517
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: killing the gold elk or to um. So that's why

518
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: I think the kind of the revitalization of small game hunting.

519
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: I had more fun as much fun hunting cotton tails

520
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: or squirrels or running around just run around the woods

521
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: with my friends as I do anything else. So I mean,

522
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: there's certainly is so much value in that that I

523
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: think it's coming back. I mean, we might have lost

524
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: it as a culture a little bit for a while,

525
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: but I think it's coming back. Oh, I think it is.

526
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: I am so optimistic about it. But I think there's

527
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: some structural things too. So if you accept that the

528
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: activity itself can be a challenge, getting into it shouldn't be.

529
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: So one of the things I really work on. It's

530
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: like trying to simplify state regulations, and that's the gateway

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: to participation doesn't have to be as hard as it

532
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: is because the activity itself, you're gonna find your own way,

533
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: and it can it can be a struggle, but at least,

534
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: let's get people to the table, into the game. And

535
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of work that we can

536
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: do there, um really as a community of citizens, to say, Okay,

537
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: we want to perpetuate this. This is I want my

538
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: kids to come back home or to make this a

539
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: part of their lives that perpetuates my tradition to their

540
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: great grandkids and great great grandkids. That's an important thing

541
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: to me. There's there are ways to make it easier.

542
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: I think the other thing too is I look at

543
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: our community of people who love this to find their

544
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: lives by it. There are things that we can do.

545
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: We we we need to be passing it on to just

546
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: people who don't look like us, people in our neighborhoods

547
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: who may express an interest. Share our gear, share time,

548
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: share knowledge. We as a community of people are kind

549
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: of hoarders. We hoard our secret spots, we hold our gear,

550
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: We hoard a lot of stuff. I think over time

551
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: we need to start to break that open. We need

552
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: to share a lot more. That's a hard that's so

553
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: that's a big push for a lot of people. Yeah,

554
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: And it seems like as you talk, you speak about

555
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: it and these like broad generalities. It seems you know,

556
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: it may seem a little bit shallow, but a little

557
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: bit b dantic or whatever, but to me, it's it's

558
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: an important conversation is to have and you, like you

559
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: and I were talking not long ago about do it

560
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: on a small level. Right. So two examples that i've

561
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, kind of watched over as long as we've

562
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: known each other, and then something to talk about the

563
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: other day. One would be how you brought your kids up, right,

564
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: and you've written about that in Outdoor Life and covered

565
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: it there. One of the favorite things you ever did

566
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: was Iris hunts, which was your daughter. Um, well that's

567
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: not her first hunting adventures. And so it's that like

568
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: it's talking about that experience in a human way, right,

569
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: It's like human interests, like how does this, how does this?

570
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: How is this delivered from this little girl? Um? And

571
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: how does she go through it? And the other one

572
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: is like to return to the low movement for local stewardship, right,

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: like we're talking about the local rod and gun club,

574
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: yeah the other day. So these are these are very

575
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: different things. Uh, Nelly's that's the new pin up girl

576
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: right there? Get him Nelly, hey girl? Um, so those

577
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: are the two things from you that I really wanted

578
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: to know about because you know, one is that just

579
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: the narrative of you and Iris and UH, your two

580
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: twin sons, how that worked for you in your personal experience.

581
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: But then greater, how do you feel like, uh, on

582
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: a local level, we can get back to just caring

583
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: about our community and using and using that as a

584
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: way to express hunting and fishing. And I think that

585
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: that's that's a more personal thing for people to talk

586
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: about rather than just talk about these at these broad

587
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: eleven million miss and twelve million. Now absolutely, I think

588
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: I think that just puts people to sleep. Nobody gets

589
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: people listen to this like a couple of dudes on

590
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: their knees on the ice wind housing just talking about

591
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: some bullshit. But there is there's personal things that happened

592
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: that you know, shape your shape the way you think

593
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: about hunting. That it's funny, like I'm a dad of

594
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: three kids. My boys are twins. It was an easy

595
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: thing to kind of take them and introduce them to things.

596
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: But my daughter has had an aptitude for this for

597
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: a long long time. But I mentioned, you know, there's

598
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: not a big tradition of her peer group it's kind

599
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: of funny. She's she's a she's a kid who's looking

600
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: for Well, that's a good look right there. It looks

601
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: like a bunch of he headed to California ship. Now

602
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: what we just what just we have to describe what

603
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: just drove by? Three dudes on a four wheeler sitting

604
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: on top of cooler. Each one has a beer in

605
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: their hand. They got an auger strap to the front,

606
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: they got they got an ice sled on the back

607
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: full of buckets of ice fishing gear, and they're just

608
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: try it's like a parade float. It kind of looks

609
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: to me like a mobile garage sale. Yeah, it looks

610
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: like maybe it looks like, you know how the wagon

611
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: train in the West. Two of those dudes will die

612
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: before they reach their destination. One will be that's a

613
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Light commercial that just drove by us. Boys. I'm

614
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: so surprised Nelly didn't join that, just because it looked

615
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I kind of want to join it. It looks like

616
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: it was not room for us, though not many In

617
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: many many ways, there's not room for us there. But anyhow,

618
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: you're raising your kids, so yeah, so to me, I

619
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: knew this was something we were going to do anyway.

620
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: So that was that was easy, but it's it was

621
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: easy in the sense of I we have the place

622
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: to do it, and it was to me a little

623
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: bit of a laboratory. The harder thing to me was,

624
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: this is a hard thing to say. Is it's gonna

625
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: sound as you said? And I think it was about me.

626
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: There was a there was a there was you know,

627
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: there's a shadow and put it that came from a comedy. Um.

628
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I actually think it's easy as hell to teach your

629
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: own kids these things. What's hard is somebody else's kids

630
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: or somebody who is doesn't have the same origin point

631
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: as you do. As we through the Outdoor Life piece,

632
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: started thinking about how do we talk about making a

633
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: difference and making this scale Because it was one thing

634
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: to one to one is how most of us learned

635
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: how to hunts with her parent or an uncle, family friend.

636
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't scale very well if you think about we're

637
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: trying to make a big global difference, at least national difference.

638
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out a way to replicate yourself

639
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: more than just once. And so what Outdoor Life. One

640
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: of our projects was to figure out ways that we

641
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: could expand the footprint of just one person. You know,

642
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the NGOs have done it with pretty well, with field

643
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: days and all that stuff. We just talked about how

644
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: kind of shallow that is. So we actually talked about

645
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: what if each of us take three people out. The

646
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of the foundational principle for this is if somebody

647
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: expresses an interest in hunting and ask you to take

648
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: them hunting and you don't do it, you're an asshole. Yeah,

649
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: don't be an asso. The problem with that is if

650
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: fifteen people all express that and you're committed not to

651
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: be an asshole, you don't have time for yourself anymore.

652
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: So what's like the asshole thresholds? To me, it's three

653
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: people a year. That's pretty good hunting a year. But

654
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: you gotta think about it now. If that's your filter too,

655
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: you can actually be a little selective because if you're

656
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: dependent depending to scale this up now you can start

657
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: to pick and choose people who are gonna replicate your

658
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: experience to another generation of people. This is kind of

659
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the classic pyramids influence the influence. To me, that's the

660
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: secret for this whole thing. I think there's enough people

661
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: who have an interest. This is the recruitment part. Of

662
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: the r y like find people who are gonna follow

663
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: on with this and follow through with this. What are

664
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: you wait a minute, we just had a little visitation here.

665
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: They're pulling out fish galore Chester from r R Bouse's coming.

666
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: Are we going? What is that for? Is that for us? Fuck? Yeah?

667
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: Man flopping fish we're gonna eat, will eat them, Come

668
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: over the office, We'll cook them up for you. No,

669
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: this is a perfect part of the podcast you made

670
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: it on you made it on the podcasts as the

671
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: deliver of fish. Well done, man. So a snowmobile just

672
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: rolled as it rolled, sluiced up to slide, propelled, was propelled,

673
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: uh and and out flopped a couple of big lakers. Nelly,

674
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: those are not for you. They're not for you. She's

675
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: convinced there has been a faction on the ice. I

676
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: feel like there's every serious conversation about hunter recruitments should

677
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: be interspersed with like random visits from somebody. That's the

678
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: way it h back. So pick your pick your people

679
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: who are gonna pass it on. The thing I did

680
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: this past year and the going kind of the community

681
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: thing is we have a local sporting group called the

682
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Highline Sportsman it's not associated with any credit group or anything.

683
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of us the middle of nowhere

684
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: or who really like to work together, and we really

685
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: liked to fish and hunt, and we realized that the

686
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: big scirt groups were leaving out a lot of little

687
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: small conservation missions like right was, they're saving habitat for

688
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: turkeys and pheasants and stuff, but what about like the

689
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: habitat for humans, for people. So one of the things

690
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: we took on, I was kind of an evangelist about

691
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: this whole mentor thing, and so we all as a

692
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: group said, we're each going to take out one person.

693
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: That's the way to scale it right there too. So

694
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in this town, even though

695
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it's we don't have an access, probably got game all

696
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: around us who know have an experience on hunting our fishing.

697
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: So each of us who were able to took out one, two,

698
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: and even three people. And that's what I was saying,

699
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: that's the hard thing because these people they don't have

700
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: their own gears. You're sharing their gear. They don't have

701
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: a place. You're sharing your place, and they don't have

702
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: they're sharing your time too. To me, that was the

703
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: heaviest lift of all but holy Cologne. It was also

704
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: the most rewarding of all to see these people who

705
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: have never hunder your fish before holding up a gigantic

706
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: that quarter of a mule they just killed. I mean

707
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: it's going to take home and feed their families. It's just, uh,

708
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: where's what's this person going? Right here? This lonely walker

709
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: across I see Nelly taking them down. The funny thing is,

710
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: like you would say, this is is this great, you know,

711
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: philanthropic thing you're doing there, But it really is a

712
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: rewarding for the mentor as it is for the mentee

713
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: like it is, and it's like personally, I love it

714
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: and I love doing it. I've done uh several times,

715
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: not through a year, which I need to start, but

716
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: that you know, there's something in it for the mentor.

717
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean there really is. And it makes you a

718
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: better hunter because you see it through the eyes of

719
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: someone that's never like seen it. It opens it up

720
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: to you. I think that's actually that's a huge part

721
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: of it. I hadn't thought about two right now. It

722
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: it made me a much more aware hunter because you're

723
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: trying to maximize the success of the or whatever mint

724
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: we've had a hard time figuring out what it's not

725
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: really an apprentice mintee sounds around of Florida or maybe

726
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: like a mint um. So whatever that apprentice is um,

727
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, you want them to have a good time.

728
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: I think this is the other thing they have to

729
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: have success. Going out and just seeing game is not enough.

730
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Going out and just smelling the her than being part

731
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: of nature, that ain't enough. They've got to have the

732
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: at least the chance to pull the trigger. Yeah. Yeah,

733
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: and you take away that like the constructs for those

734
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: of us have hunted a long time and feel like

735
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: we're pursuing like the bigger the animal, the better. You know,

736
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: if you could strip that away a little bit, that

737
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: that helped. That's helped me in the past. See that

738
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: like a man, I had the greatest time. All we

739
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: did was shoot a hablina and all we did was

740
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: cook up a havelina. But it was one of the

741
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: greatest days I've had running around outside, Like all we

742
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: did was shoot a mess of squirrels, But it's the

743
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: greatest day I've had a long damn time. And then

744
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: you start to learn that like if I would just

745
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: get out of my own way and a lot of

746
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: these In a lot of these cases, i'd be fine,

747
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, I just exactly right, exactly right and that.

748
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: But those people don't know how to get in their way.

749
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: All they're trying to do is go right foot, left foot,

750
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: right foot, left foot. But the cool thing is so that.

751
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: So I took these three people out last year, and

752
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: my kids participated, to which I'll get it was really

753
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: neat for my kids to be part of that whole thing.

754
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: They took them out occasionally too, and and it doesn't

755
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: stop there. So this spring in Montana there's a window

756
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to put in for special permits. So these people

757
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: I introduced to hunting last year, like, okay, I'm na

758
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: take the next step. Where do I put in for elk?

759
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Like hell, yeah, that's the way it's supposed to work. Now,

760
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not giving away my spot two times work for you?

761
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Get out there and you tell me where to go

762
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, it's it's man, It's there's something about

763
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: it too. So like if if if you're able to man,

764
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: it'll change not only change the person that you're with,

765
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: but it'll change you. I teach hunter education here and

766
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, for all of the listeners. If you don't

767
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: teach hunter ed, I encourage you to because it's I mean,

768
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: it's an easy lift, it's easy to do every staate age.

769
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: She's looking for volunteers to help teach this. This is

770
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: really just an extension of that. But um, one of

771
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: the things I noticed in hunter education, we talked about

772
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: the stages of a hunter. Right. You know, there's the

773
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: beginner who just wants to shoot. There's the the limit

774
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: filler who just wants to fill whatever limit is available.

775
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Then there's the method. There's a trophy hunter. There's also

776
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the road, there's the

777
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: philosopher hunter or whatever. I think this is the perfect

778
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: manifestation of that philosopher hunter. What I noticed is I

779
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of people in our world

780
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: who get exposed to this our three discussion who are like,

781
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I know I should do it. I feel bad that

782
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you should. It's a It's

783
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the sort of thing at some point in your trajectory

784
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: as a hunter or a sportsman, this is gonna come

785
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: to you and you're gonna do it. If you're not

786
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: doing it now, don't worry about it, but just be

787
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: aware that your work is needed when it when you're ready,

788
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: there's gonna be Yeah, there's gonna be demand. We were

789
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about talking the other day about Um,

790
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: you know podcasting right, Um, you're involved in it a

791
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: lot of like pretty much everybody that has the capability

792
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 1: nowadays is involved in it. And um, that doesn't mean

793
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that you can do it doesn't

794
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: mean you have something to say. And you know, if

795
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: you would have talked to me six or seven years

796
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: ago when I first heard about podcasting, had I started one,

797
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a whole lot to say. Yeah, and

798
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: you know that that grows, right, So it's the same

799
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's like when you're ready and you

800
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: feel confident, you condified your ideas and the way that

801
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: you hunt, and you've you know, done all the work

802
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: that you had to do, then you can open yourself

803
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: up to given to other people in different ways. But

804
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to force force stuff into it. Man,

805
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: I would love you for me moving into Montana to

806
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: teach hunter safety. You know, have my wife and son, come,

807
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: have my wife cook, you know, big castrole for everybody,

808
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: and we'll teach unter safety and hang out like that.

809
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: That would be a great way to spend my life,

810
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I would enjoy the hell out of that.

811
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: When I don't have little kids, I'd probably be better.

812
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: I'll probably be better suited, you know. So like a

813
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: time of life. Yeah, it's a time of life for sure.

814
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: One of the things people ask about all the time,

815
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the playbook for this? Like how do

816
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: I actually do it? How do I break it down?

817
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: How do I? And I think one of the things

818
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: that is magical about hunting and fishing and being an

819
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: outdoors person is there ain't no playbook. You make it

820
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: up as you go along. But I also think that's

821
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: the great beauty of it. It makes it hard to replicate, though,

822
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: because it's it's a handmade thing. Your ability to teach

823
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: somebody is it's not a mass production. You you've given,

824
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: you taken pretty small increments, all right. That frustrates the

825
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: ability to scale this for sure. But I think also

826
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: those the intimate relationships when you're with one other person

827
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: in the field, there's no looking away, there's no like

828
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: escape ground, and so you're kind of forced to face

829
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things, you know, whether it's your own

830
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: lack of knowledge about things, your own lack of experience.

831
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: That's a huge point. You just space, like when you're

832
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: walking around and this has happened to me several times.

833
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: You're walking around in the woods with someone who's never

834
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: been in the woods, and they're asking questions, the simplest questions,

835
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: and you've never thought of these simple questions, like you

836
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: could say, you could say exactly how and why an

837
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: elk might be standing in that spot that he's in.

838
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: Can't tell him. You can't say the tree that he's

839
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: under or the type of grass that he's punching, you know,

840
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: or like or understand what the ripe Parian corridor is

841
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: or uh, you know, explain the taxonomy. There's just there's

842
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: things that they'll ask that you realize only ship I

843
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: skipped over that and went right to like the mechanics

844
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: of my compound bow, and so those things are you know,

845
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: it's not a problem, Like you know, everybody has those

846
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: knowledge holes, all of us do. Nobody's perfect, but it's

847
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: nice to have somebody to like open that up to

848
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: you and realize that, Man, I need to you know,

849
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna teach my son, I need to be

850
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: able to tell him what that helks eating, why they're eating,

851
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: and why it's growing there, why it was growing over

852
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: there where they bed where you know, and those things

853
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: are important and enriching for the you know, the veteran

854
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: hunter who just doesn't hasn't seen it in that way,

855
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: because I know, I don't know if you do, but

856
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I know a lot of hunters that can get you

857
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: to that elk and call that elk and make sure

858
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: you kill it better than anybody, but couldn't tell you

859
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: any of the things I just described, absolutely, So I

860
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: think it like it widens the aperture anyways in many

861
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: good ways. No fish, Oh no, I'm jigging like a

862
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: mouf over. I mean, you know, we we get ice

863
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: in the line. I mean I keep feeling like I

864
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: have fish because my line waste so much now with

865
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: accumulated ice. But we're not gonna We're not gonna get there.

866
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: But tell people describe a little bit about your hunt

867
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: with Iris and like you know, from her eyes, like

868
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: you said, she she doesn't have or didn't and doesn't

869
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: have a peer group of you know, young lady hunters

870
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: running around with her, so uh, you know, you're kind

871
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: of through her doing a little trojan horse activity into

872
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: the local the local population. So I think everybody who

873
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: has a kid, or even somebody that they take hunting

874
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: for the first time, was gonna be familiar with this.

875
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: But like as the teacher, you want success so bad

876
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: you want it to happen. One of the interesting things

877
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: with my daughter is so she's a good shot, she's

878
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: super safe with guns, she's pretty knowledgeable about wildlife, and

879
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: we're to find him. What I didn't recognize is she's

880
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: also a total schoolmarm when it comes to ethics and

881
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: waiting for the perfect shot. The biggest problem for me

882
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: and I still actually see it with him. And now

883
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: she's fifteen, we've got four seasons under her belt, and

884
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: now of course she's become this trophy hunter, not just

885
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: any fear will do. It's like, what have I done here?

886
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: What have I done with Nelly? She's heading over to

887
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: an entire different camp. I'm sure we'll see her again.

888
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: She'll make it back. She made it out of the

889
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: ice earlier, She's made it from harder. So you know,

890
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: as a mentor somebody who's teaching, you kind of get

891
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: these small victories. Okay, we've we've this case, we were

892
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: hunting deer, we found the deer, we've executed great stock.

893
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: Here's this shot we've set up, we've kind of What

894
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: we as experience hunters recognized is when the stars aligned

895
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: and everything is right, we act on it. What we

896
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: forget is we can kind of see when that shot

897
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: is perfect. What a young hunter, at the beginning hunter

898
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: doesn't see is there expectation of perfection is different than ours.

899
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: They think perfection is gonna last forever, and they have

900
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: all kinds of time to kind of get settled and

901
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: get the breathing right. I bet with Iris his first hunt,

902
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: we had five or six excellent shot opportunities, but and

903
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: it was perfect. It was the most perfect for an

904
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: uncountable fraction of a second when we as experience sports.

905
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: But no, that's when you take it. And she would

906
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: just she would wait too long and then it would

907
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: become imperfect and she couldn't take the shot. So that

908
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: was actually a source of great frustration. I had no

909
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: ability to articulate that to her. I'm like, why didn't

910
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: you shoot? And I would just you know, I kind

911
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: of lose my shot a little bit. What I recognize

912
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: now is that's actually part of the learning curve too,

913
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: is to say, hey, when things are right there, right,

914
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: and you have to have the confidence of perception to

915
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: act when things are right. Yeah, and that's I mean

916
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: that that takes a long time and the evolution of

917
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: a sportsman. Oh yeah, well we're talking about that. Let

918
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: the drive up here with a couple of gas from mediator.

919
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: About the intersection of like, your ability to make the

920
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: shot and the opportunity, Like, that's the sweet spot. It's

921
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: not that you're just looking like the first opportunity to

922
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: get you just pull the trigger or the first time

923
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: or you like or you're gonna wait till your ten

924
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: yards away from an animal is shoot it every time?

925
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: It's the it's the cross section between you know, the

926
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: intersection that sweet spot up. I have the right opportunity

927
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: and I have the ability to make that opportunity to

928
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: turn that opportunity to success. And that's I think what

929
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: people struggle with throughout their hunting careers. So what you know,

930
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 1: why wouldn't it be be that way in the first shot. Well,

931
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: we have the accumulated knowledge to know that those fleeting

932
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: moments may not happen again. Yeah, So it really kind

933
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: of puts that emphasis on it. We better take it

934
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: when it happens. If you're a beginning hunter, you think

935
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: this happens every day all day. So why being in

936
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: a hurry, why why you know why really emphasized that intersection.

937
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: And that's right, I mean I think it to me

938
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: it Um, it's you know, you watch kids, You watch

939
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: their eyes, man, you just watch their facial expressions. And

940
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, when I was a kid, I had I

941
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: missed three deer, wounded a deer, and then had a

942
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: rifle cartridge not go off on another deer, which I

943
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever had had since then. And so

944
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: it was like my six try I got to hear

945
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: and this is rifle hunting. You know, none of this

946
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: deer more than sev yards away. But I was twelve

947
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: years old, and so I think I was in that

948
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: situation too. I thought, well, every time this is over,

949
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: like a two or three day period, I'm like, every

950
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: time you go out, you get two or three chances

951
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: out of the deer. So the net, well, the next

952
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: one will come by, the next one will come by. Um,

953
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: and you just you with perspective, with with learning, you

954
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: learn that perspective that's not always the case. He's man,

955
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: but I just got a deer. Eventually Iris got a deer.

956
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: She had said, well, this is the other thing, like

957
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: she borrows this from my dad, who actually he came

958
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: out here at eastern Montanai at a cow elk tag.

959
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: We got permission to hunt this ranch where it was

960
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: full of cow elk, and I said, hey, Dad, what's

961
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: your effective range? She's like three hundred yards? Like all right,

962
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: that's great, no, no problem. We got twelve cows at

963
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: three hundred and eight yards and I'm waiting for my

964
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: dad to shoot. He wouldn't wouldn't shoot, wouldn't shoot. The

965
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: cow start drifting away, Like Dad, why didn't you shoot?

966
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: He's like, well, they weren't a three hundred yards. So

967
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Iris inherited this thing from my dad and it was like, hey,

968
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: two hundred yards is her effective ranch she was shooting with.

969
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: She was on with the two forty three. Uh. We

970
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: had blown opportunities inside a twound yards. Finally we had

971
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: one at two forty and she was not going to

972
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: take the shot, which I had greatly admired her for. Finally,

973
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: when things were lined up, she took the shot at

974
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: like two seventy yards with forty three and dropped a

975
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: young mule in your buck with one shot. So our

976
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: first season was a great success. You can actually check

977
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: it out look at Iris Hunts and there's a whole

978
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: video series on this whole. It's great. Yeah, it's one

979
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: of some of the best writing I've ever read the

980
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: anthor space. I mean, it's fantastic. Um, you know, it'll

981
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: bring a tear to your eye. But you know, you

982
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: asked her last night what she was thinking about doing,

983
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like a career. She's a

984
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: freshman high school. What does she bad? Question? I got,

985
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I got a challenge for you asking you. But but

986
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: I think this tells you a little bit about the

987
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: potential effectiveness of this. Are three stuff to bring it

988
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: back to. That is, she defined herself right then, and

989
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: she wants to be a wildlife biologist or a vetinarian,

990
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: something to do with both the outdoors and wildlife. And

991
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: don't discount that. It was actually a pretty good question.

992
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: Um it'll change, Yeah, I'm sure it will. But that's

993
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: something that is like has helped define who she is

994
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: from those early experiences. Yeah, and that's and that's you know,

995
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: you want to help like give your kids the room

996
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to have those experiences. And I think hunting and fishing

997
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: do that. And it just does. And it's it's if

998
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: done correctly, of course, or if you know, if done

999
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: within the responsibility of you know, a good family and

1000
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, just just good ethics and good moralities like

1001
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: those things. It doesn't give kids perspective. And we've said

1002
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: I've said in this podcast before, it's like a three

1003
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: dimensional perspective, right because if you take it, if you

1004
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: just take him to the damn if you're like, hey,

1005
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you to uh the amusement park and

1006
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: you'll get to ride all the rights, that's just you

1007
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: go up, you wa, you come you get an experience,

1008
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: you come down, and there's nothing that came from it

1009
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: other than the experience. This is different. You have an experience.

1010
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's kind of like the roller coaster ride.

1011
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: There's ups and downs, and there's emotions and such. But

1012
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: then those emotions turn into reality when you pull the

1013
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: trick and you kill something, and the benefits you get

1014
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: is the meat and take part in conservation. Those types

1015
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: of things, those the byproducts of of what's there. So

1016
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: it's him and it's the ultimate you know, I hate

1017
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: to say gift, but it is. I mean it is someone. Well,

1018
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: you have been a big part of, I think, kind

1019
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: of changing the conversation around what a trophy is your originally,

1020
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, trophy is all about me and this ego

1021
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: standing behind big antlers. You know, I think you've done

1022
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: a masterful job of changing the conversation. It's actually, here's

1023
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: a trophy picture. It's me with a backstrap or a haunch,

1024
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: and this is the trophy parts of an animal. To me,

1025
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: that next step is when I see a trophy picture,

1026
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: it's you with somebody else. Yes, you've given You've passed

1027
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: it on. That's the trophy. Is this experience that you've

1028
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: given somebody else. Yeah, And I it's funny, I I

1029
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: I've started to like that's a filter that I've started

1030
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: to look at at those field pictures as like two

1031
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: people sharing the experience is a trophy moment. It is.

1032
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: And you know what we started doing. I've had lots

1033
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: of pushback, like you hate fun, you hate smiles, you

1034
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: hate America, And I just say, look highlighting you know,

1035
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: one expression of the like what you the byproct of

1036
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: hunting is fine. We should continue to highlight all the

1037
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: expressions of hunting that are good, whether it's like time

1038
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: you spent with your family or you know, your relation

1039
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: with your dog that that is running across the ice

1040
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: now looking looks so guilty. Clearly got into somebody's space.

1041
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: We got oh Nelly? Now? Um yeah, if we stop,

1042
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: if this podcast stops right now, you'll know that Nelly

1043
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: knocked the recorder into the ice hole. What do you

1044
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: call my dog? What do you call my dog? And

1045
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: I damn icehole? Jeez? I thought maybe I was calling

1046
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: her the wrong name. You looked at me with the saucers.

1047
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: What have I done? What's her name? Or name is

1048
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: not Nellie? Where I work with this uh young lady

1049
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: at Yeddie and call it the wrong name for about

1050
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: three years. So that's what I get. By the way,

1051
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: I can no longer feel my feet below my Yeah

1052
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: we should we can stand up? Oh see you want

1053
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: to be a mentor out and I'm the younger. The

1054
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: two of us can't stand. I literally can't stand. My

1055
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: legs went to sleep. Now we go, yeah, generational right now? Well,

1056
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: you're truly you're soon you'll only be able to be

1057
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: a mentor you can't stand up. This has been very

1058
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: unsuccessful and um fishing trimp man ill freaking I love

1059
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: this lake, look at this believable place. But there's no

1060
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: way I can use my phone to take a picture

1061
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: of this that would do it any justice at all, unfortunately,

1062
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: but it is be it's beautiful. Uh well, if there's

1063
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: one thing you had to tell people about how to

1064
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: how to manage new hunters or how to bring people along,

1065
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: what would you say? Is there any boiler plate, like

1066
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: one line that helps people understand how this is gonna

1067
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: sound just so underwhelming? Just do it? Just do it?

1068
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean it can it can be intimidating. The idea

1069
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: isn't more way more intimidating, I'll guarantee it than the action.

1070
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Just do it. It's it's an extension of what you

1071
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: do already and who you are already. I'm convinced of it. Um,

1072
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: let's just leave it right there. No, just do it,

1073
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: just do it. We came up with that, but no

1074
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: one else has ever said that. No companies have ever

1075
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: said that we might make a hashtag. All right, So

1076
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: there's this thing I'm doing where I'm trying to test

1077
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: out segments right, because that's what a lot of people

1078
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: have segments. I've never had them, but I'm sorry to

1079
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: test some out. So I got a couple of segments

1080
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: I gonna throw right, no preparation at all. Um. The

1081
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: first one is called hot spot. Cool Dude, That's what

1082
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: I call it, and it's about where I try to

1083
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: convince you to give up one of your hot spots

1084
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: because I'm a cool dude, because you're well you would

1085
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: be if you give it up. I see you see

1086
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so you know you live in

1087
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: this country with all kind of access. Would you be

1088
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: willing to get the listeners of the hunting collective? You're

1089
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: bet one of your best hunting your fishing spots. Just

1090
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: tell them exactly where it is and how they get

1091
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: to it. Are you willing to Well, you're okay, I thought,

1092
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't have to convince you know you're willing to

1093
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: do it, all right? Give it to us, Give it

1094
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: to us, all right. So one of the really cool

1095
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: dynamics over the last ten years has been dove season

1096
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: in Montana. So I think what's happened on a continental

1097
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: basis is there's grain is being planted way farther north

1098
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: in Canada than it ever has been. So it used

1099
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: to be September one, we'd have a big cold front,

1100
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: we'd lose all the doves that we had. September one

1101
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: douve open. What's happened now? September one happens. We lose

1102
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: our local doves, but we get all the Canada's doves

1103
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: here argis Montana, so the dove hunting here can be

1104
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: like Alabama good I'm not sure. For at about two weeks,

1105
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: come to Glasgow, get a block management MAC for reaching

1106
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: six and there's a block management area called the Herd

1107
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: h u r D. It's just out of Glasgow about

1108
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: a mile and a half. It's on a county road.

1109
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: There's the best it's gonna be the best of hunt

1110
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: you've ever had. You just gave him exactly where they're

1111
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: gonna go. And if you and if the herd is

1112
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: full of people who are listening to this podcast, right

1113
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: across the gravel road is called the Spaniard b m A.

1114
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: Go there, Go there and hopefully if it is full

1115
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: that means people actually listen to this, which is good,

1116
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: uh or bad depending if that's your spot. If you

1117
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: I've been exiled from the Highline Sportsman. Listen the Highlight

1118
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: sports Listen up here. Now he's given away a dove spot.

1119
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: That is like, that's you know, the appropriate entry level

1120
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: hotspot giveaway right there. I was hoping you did like

1121
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: that tactical advantage that I mean, it's it's it's a

1122
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: great spot, but it's also good for about two weeks. Yeah,

1123
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: the larger the animal, the more of the hot spot

1124
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: is protected. I feel, is that right because it's the

1125
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: more meat year. But hey, you asked, I gave cool dude, man,

1126
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: cool dude. That's good. I like that segment. I thought

1127
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: maybe i'd have to like really are off some kind

1128
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: of reward or something, but that I'm glad that you

1129
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: gave that to go dove hunting block Management. Come to

1130
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Glasgow if you ever happen to be coming to Glasgow,

1131
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 1: maybe see a Glasgow Scottie's Game or something like that.

1132
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: The other one because I know have you've been in

1133
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: this situation the other segments tell me that's not a

1134
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: dog training question. The other one is called damn Near Died.

1135
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: This the other segment I came up with and I

1136
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: made these names up myself so people you could write

1137
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: in and tell me how stupid they are or if

1138
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: they're if they're funny and smart. Um. This one is

1139
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: like where you might have almost died somewhere outside, and

1140
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: I know you have a specific thing. We're probably where

1141
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna be thinking, a specific story of where you're

1142
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: in this tribal situation. I want to hear about it. Oh,

1143
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: this one, it's gonna be disappointing, but it was pretty

1144
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: damn scary. In Montana antelope season, there's a block nothing

1145
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: hunt some black man north. It is called Frozen to

1146
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: Death Crick, and the next range over it's called Starve

1147
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: to Death Crick, which should tell you something about the

1148
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: desolation of the country. Was how with my buddy Steve,

1149
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: he shot an antelope and the pickup is about eight

1150
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: miles away on this ridge. As we're taking care of

1151
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: the anild Field restaurant, I realized there was a road

1152
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: way closer to us on the other side. All I

1153
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: did do is go and buy and pick up eight

1154
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: miles away, drive all the way around and get on

1155
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: this other road and cheese. We could just drag the

1156
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: antelope right to it, so I did. I couldn't find

1157
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: the antelope once I went all the way around on

1158
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: this other road. Finally I Steve stayed with it. I

1159
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: found him. Uh, Steve, you said as we got done

1160
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: field dressing the antelope that his back was really bad

1161
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: and I would have to carry the antelope on my

1162
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: back to the truck. So I put it. I put

1163
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: the entire antelope on a frame pack. And one thing.

1164
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little guy, but I'm wiry, and I just said,

1165
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not stopping. So I didn't. And

1166
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: the last time I looked behind me, Steve was way

1167
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: behind And the next time I looked, he was not there.

1168
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: I never saw him again. Yeah, we're recording recording a podcast.

1169
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: Steve Schindler just showed up. Welcome. We're telling a story

1170
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: about We're telling a story about Steve Dalby, whom you know,

1171
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: shoot an antelope frozen to death, crick and I carried

1172
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: out for him, and he just disappears. So I finally

1173
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: realized I'd have no idea where my pickup is. It's

1174
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: dark at this point, and I got an antelope on

1175
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: my back. The first thing I did, obviously, was got

1176
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: rid of the antelope. Uh, I had no idea where

1177
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: I was. In the middle of this frozen death country.

1178
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: Only I could see was the cooling tower for the

1179
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: cold Strip power plant in the distance, so I knew

1180
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: that way was southeast. But I spent the entire night

1181
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: out there with a wet T shirt from sweating up

1182
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: carrying an antelope. In October, Damn near died, freezing to death. Anyway,

1183
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: that's be called mckenn damn near die and you made

1184
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: it out. I made it out fine. Do you have

1185
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: any effects of your experience? Actually he lost lost a

1186
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: lot of weight. There were two remarkable things. One as

1187
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: just as the sun was setting, a bunch of geese

1188
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: came over, and this is big Alkali flat. I think

1189
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: the geese set their wings and started feathering down. I'm like,

1190
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,479
Speaker 1: are they going to land on one? There's no water

1191
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: around here. One by one the geese bounced across this

1192
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: hard pan Alkali flat. They thought it was water. So

1193
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: I got to see geese totally fooled out, and they

1194
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: were I've never seen an embarrassed goose, but they acted like, oh,

1195
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: I didn't see nobody saw that, nothing to see fly away.

1196
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: The second thing is in the morning, when I came

1197
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: back to find the antelope that I had jettison. I

1198
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: found a big old arrowhead right next to the anod

1199
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: was there like what was the most desperate moment? Most desperment.

1200
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: I was cold that night, I mean I was sweaty.

1201
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: I had zero gear, and I realized the wind was

1202
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: kind of coming up, not quite like this, but it

1203
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: was cold. I realized I needed to protect myself thermally.

1204
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: So I got in this cut bank. It kind of

1205
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: tucked my arms in and it must have fallen asleep

1206
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: a little bit because my grandmother, who had had been

1207
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: dead for several years at the time, kind of came

1208
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: to me in this little little dream state and said,

1209
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: my grandma was not an outdoors woman. She said, just

1210
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: go uphill and you're gonna run into your pickup. So

1211
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: when I when I kind of parsed that out, she

1212
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: was right. As long as I just followed every little

1213
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: rivulet uphill, I was gonna come to a ridge. All

1214
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: the roads are on the ridge. And I did that

1215
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: and I got thanks Grammy. Then he lived today. But

1216
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: floor pack, oh so stee. The reason I was carrying

1217
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: the antelopes, it's like us, I'm gonna mount it. I

1218
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, drag the skin off of

1219
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: this potential mount, so we got back to the pickup.

1220
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: He also spent the night on the prairie. We got

1221
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: Rhea reacquainted with each other and he said, no way

1222
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: am I going to mount that antelope. That's a good

1223
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: way to end. And thanks Mr ke We didn't catch

1224
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: any damn fishing. We did drink some beer. My beer

1225
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: is totally frozen, is it? Mine? Probably is too. We

1226
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: were crags to see you. That's it. That's all another

1227
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: episode in the books. Thanks to Andrew McKeen and the

1228
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: grand folks of Glasgow, Montana. Fright when I was up

1229
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: here in this beautiful lake here in four pack. If

1230
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: you ever to make it up in this country, please do.

1231
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: It's a great place to be in a beautiful, beautiful

1232
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: part of our world. And hopefully you can all go

1233
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: out there. And as Andrew, Andrew told you, just take

1234
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: three people hunting every year. If you're a veteran hunter,

1235
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: and if you're a new hunter, look for a mentor

1236
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: and find someone that you trust it can show you

1237
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: what they know and then take it from there. It's

1238
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: there's no easy solutions that that's for sure. What else,

1239
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: what else? What else? Well, Uh, we're standing out here

1240
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. But we we still have

1241
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: some stops left in the Meat Eater Live Tour. We're

1242
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Austin, Texas on April two. We're gonna be

1243
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: at the b h A Rendezvous in early May Boise, Idaho.

1244
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: Those are two stops that I'll be at and I'll

1245
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: be on stage there with Steve Yanni Cal and others

1246
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: uh and and fun And speaking of that, you know

1247
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: b h A Rendevus coming up. Hopefully you get out

1248
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: there and see us. It's gonna be a fun weekend

1249
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 1: for conservation, for hunting, for fishing, and all the things

1250
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: we love to do. And we're also thinking of coming

1251
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: out with some brand new hunting cleftic merch. So if

1252
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,479
Speaker 1: you go to the Meat Eater store and click around,

1253
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: you'll find that Honty Collective merch. But there's some new

1254
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: stuff coming then. I think you all will enjoy. And

1255
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: I think this is a good time to let you

1256
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: guys all know that we are planning a big relaunch

1257
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: for the Honey Collective. A new style, a new format,

1258
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of new stuff coming up. Um, we want

1259
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,479
Speaker 1: to relaunch because we want to get better. I've listened

1260
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: to all the feedback. I've heard a lot of things

1261
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Um, I've been happy with

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Speaker 1: success of the podcast. When we're not gonna rest on it,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep on going and we're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: with you along with us. So without with all that said,

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Speaker 1: see it later, man, We're gonna go try to catch

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Speaker 1: a fish, maybe bring some stuff back home. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: nice lake trout for the friar. We'll see you next time,

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday with the Honey Collective. See you, fe